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Old 2010-12-13, 09:05   Link #1301
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About the compilation volume- I'd like to know too if there will be differences/ eventual fixes

@MichaelKnight: CHILL. No one hates her here. Not even me. Seriously, chill. I criticized her. Get over it. It doesn't mean I hate her.


@wingzerosnuggles: yes, I know they are. That's why I can understand that Relena fans like you are on their toes because she gets bashed a lot, but apparently that means criticizing her can't be done without getting accused of being a "hater" and attacked ridiculously. that's both, too funny and too bad.


I repeat: I NEVER said I hate her, in fact she is the exact character type I usually LIKE (plus, I still kind of like her), but I have some issues with her. I also understand the reasoning behind some of her actions, which is why I stated that the only thing that REALLY bothered me about her was the way the writers and/or cast viewed her. Which is a problem of the way the writers chose to portray her sometimes and is easily fixed by overlooking that and dismissing it as a flaw of the time GW was made.

quick points:

marina: yes, she was useless xD She's another example though of a politician being carried by their name/ what they symbolize though, different from Relena she didn't do much, and Relena could totally kick her ass
I felt maybe Kihel didn't get the crazy attention from the cast, at least for the first half not. I have to rewatch what happened after.
(Outside of Gundam: the entire Geass cast minus Lulu, Sheryl in Macross F, or maybe Macross females minus Minmay in general come to mind spontaneously)

Anyway, enough of that I never said I hated Relena, I technically like her but ALSO criticize her, that's all.

@Elo: 'course heero is the main for the fandom and carries the show. Just couldn't remember if the terrorism issue had ever been brought up, because somehow it would've seemed fitting seeing the overall more serious tone of GW. Somehow it should've been conflicting with Relena's ideals (essentially working with/ supporting terrorists as sovereign of a neutral/pacifist nation) and her credibility to the outside world. But maybe that's why and where she actually did lose some public support, we don't know. It's not criticism, only a thought

@IkuzeMinna: Yes, a little hypocritical, but understandable. You can't really even be neutral without making enemies, let alone yell a controversial, annoying (for the rest of the world) ideology from a mountain and expect to be safe.
You don't need to have an army like Switzerland does, saying "we're neutral you got a problem? We kick your ass!" but at least be able to defend your people- they shouldn't have to potentially die because of your groundbreaking idealism. This is where King Peacecraft screwed up and Relena did well- despite being criticized a bit.

Thanks for understanding my viewpoint/ recognizing I'm only criticizing her :s

About the airhead- issue: It didn't seem like such a problem to me, since it was only directed at the way she seemed to be at school- extremely popular, bratty etc- then we get proven wrong about that impression. It's good- it's similar to Sheryl, or Fllay, and I loved both of their developments. So I didn't even mean it in a bad way

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Old 2010-12-13, 09:41   Link #1302
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TL;DR

Peepz, you know what scrolling is for, right?

@SkullFaerie I believe Marina's "uselessness' was justified. She at least tried in S1. S2 derailed her character though. However, they bring in the explanation that Marina was a concert pianist who wasn't really suited for the job. Still, you have to give her credit. She tried. Ok, she failed. But hey, we can't all be suddenly thrust into the political sphere and take the world by storm. At the very least, she made up for it with philanthropy. She didn't just mope. She composed music to cheer the children up because:
1. That was her job before she was princess. She's good at it.
2. Beats doing nothing.

I vehemently disagree with her not using the gun to protect the kids though. Ok, you don't want to fight. Still, protect the damned kids. Playing piano isn't going to keep them from getting killed.

As for your critique of Relena, it was probably taken the wrong way because you did not sufficiently clarify what you meant. Also the terms you used may be classified as derogatory. Referring to her as a "dumb blonde" is an offensive stereotype and doesn't really have much to do with her characterization. Same goes for "airhead." These are playground terms that there should be no room for if you want to be taken seriously. It looks like name-calling. Please note that I'm not saying you're name-calling but it's easy to see why people would assume that with the usage of such terms. So really, I think you should just be more creative with your terminology to express yourself better. It may not be a big deal to you but it is a big deal to other people so please keep that in mind.

EDIT: And you can criticize her all you want. I've managed to discuss her faults with people before. She's not perfect. However, if I'm following your train of thought correctly, what you dislike is how she is perceived. That's not really within her control, is it? Going by that train of thought, the analogy would be you like the product but dislike how it is packaged. Also, you stated earlier that she was arrogant and "liked the attention." I'd appreciate it if you would substantiate your claims with more than just your honest opinion. Citing scenes and episodes lend an argument more credibility.

As for the creators having a preference for her, here's their "Ten Years Later" interview. Relena is only mentioned once and only in passing:
http://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.p...=12003&start=0

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Old 2010-12-13, 13:15   Link #1303
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@Elo: 'course heero is the main for the fandom and carries the show. Just couldn't remember if the terrorism issue had ever been brought up, because somehow it would've seemed fitting seeing the overall more serious tone of GW. Somehow it should've been conflicting with Relena's ideals (essentially working with/ supporting terrorists as sovereign of a neutral/pacifist nation) and her credibility to the outside world. But maybe that's why and where she actually did lose some public support, we don't know. It's not criticism, only a thought
The terrorism issue has certainly been discussed before(can't remember if it's been brought up in this thread) but most mature fans are well-aware of it.

With regard to Relena's possible conflict of interest, I'll agree with you to an extent. The Gundams were still considered terrorists at the time. However, only three Gundams ever did fight for the Sanc Kingdom and they were defending the kingdom both times. If anyone was aware of the mobile suits in Sanc's "defense force", I think they'd likely be restricted to Romefeller military personnel and officials.

From we've seen, she garnered support worldwide and from most of the colonies too. The only major people/groups that didn't support we know of were the White Fang and other colony radicals.
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Old 2010-12-13, 17:42   Link #1304
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Oh cool, GW tankoubon. Wonder if they'll change up the cover art and whatnot. Man, I need PayPal. xD I guess this is Unicorn for the AC-verse? xD Curious about the listing too. Maybe the novel version will correct how bad Sumisawa is at math. Meh...I mostly want the pretty art.

EDIT: Are these Leos a new release?
http://cgi.ebay.ph/GUNDAM-WING-LEO-S...#ht_500wt_1156
No, I'm afraid not. Those Leos are coming on...10 years old now.
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Old 2010-12-13, 18:00   Link #1305
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Funny how you tell me to get over it when I just said I'm done. Don't turn it around on me, love. Don't tell me to get over it. YOU get over ME.

And you weren't attacked. You're the one who offended, I only defended.

But hey if it helps, you win. I'll stop arguing with you. You can say whatever you want and I'll just swallow it. So you're happy. <3
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Old 2010-12-13, 18:11   Link #1306
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I just saw in the image thread and am not sure which Ace magazine it was in but here's a great image showing Katoki's re-designed OZ suits.

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Old 2010-12-13, 19:07   Link #1307
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Just a heads up-- my laptop died last night and is off being fixed so in tandem with finals and then going on a trip after New Year's, I'm gonna be MIA from here for a while.
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I just saw in the image thread and am not sure which Ace magazine it was in but here's a great image showing Katoki's re-designed OZ suits.

Are you sure those are redesigns? I guess they do look a little different... I'm liking the Virgos and Mercurius+Vayeate (but then again, I always thought those were the coolest looking ones..)

I hope Tallgeese Ka gets a modelkit
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Old 2010-12-13, 21:22   Link #1308
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I just saw in the image thread and am not sure which Ace magazine it was in but here's a great image showing Katoki's re-designed OZ suits.

According to the Gundam Ace Re: page, ďAn illustration I drew specifically for Newtype magazine during the TV series telecast. I added a few details to the setting draft for films.Ē (Ka).
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そして、戦っている人間が汚れて見えないのも事実だ」

So why do people fight, anyway?
Perhaps the meaning of existence lies within their will to fight.
People feel a sense of accomplishment through battle.
And itís also a fact that the ones actually fighting are never perceived as being tainted.
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Old 2010-12-13, 21:28   Link #1309
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So, that image is pretty damn old then, right?
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Old 2010-12-13, 21:40   Link #1310
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According to the Gundam Ace Re: page, ďAn illustration I drew specifically for Newtype magazine during the TV series telecast. I added a few details to the setting draft for films.Ē (Ka).
Thanks of the info Deacon.

Well, it looks like the variants are coming in handy.
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Old 2010-12-14, 01:07   Link #1311
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@Deacon May I have your permission to post your translated EW: GotD chapters to Tumblr? If you decline, I completely understand. Most translators want to control the downloads so it's easy to take down just in case the company sends a cease and desist.
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Old 2010-12-14, 01:48   Link #1312
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To anyone who has seen Turn A Gundam, does anyone think that Dianna Soleil is based on Relena?

I guess it may explain Relena's actions prior to Frozen Teardrop.
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Old 2010-12-14, 06:46   Link #1313
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Nice to see that the Japanese fans do spell it as Vingt.
Spoiler for space:
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@Deacon May I have your permission to post your translated EW: GotD chapters to Tumblr? If you decline, I completely understand. Most translators want to control the downloads so it's easy to take down just in case the company sends a cease and desist.
By all means, go right ahead.
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So why do people fight, anyway?
Perhaps the meaning of existence lies within their will to fight.
People feel a sense of accomplishment through battle.
And itís also a fact that the ones actually fighting are never perceived as being tainted.
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Old 2010-12-14, 22:13   Link #1315
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Just a cute little thing I found and wanted to share with everyone! It's in Japanese-- but I got a kick out of this. There's these RP bots on Twitter for the Wing cast, and I noticed today that there's a new Duo Jr one XD It mostly just repeats automated tweets and replies that seem to be lines from the novel or based on dialogue from the novel but it's still cute.

The account: http://twitter.com/Duo_Jr (check his lists for the other Wing bots)
And... the doodle I drew for it >.>;; http://twitpic.com/3fxqlk
(There was other stuff before that too but I'm not gonna bore you with my dumb tweets )

Clearly the most efficient use of my time is to draw MS Paint doodles to troll twitterbots... XDDD It even responded to me in English a few times, I was tickled

EDIT: Oh yes also, REI finished that 1xR piece she was working on:
Spoiler for 1xR under the spoiler:

and here's a seasonal 1xR pic via pixiv:
Spoiler for More 1xR:
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Old 2010-12-14, 23:28   Link #1316
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@Deacon Thank you.

@Kit Looks like somebody was a really good girl this year, Santa Heero. I just got a fic-based piece I commished:

Spoiler for size:
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Old 2010-12-15, 00:55   Link #1317
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Here's the RAW scans for the prologue chapter of Frozen Teardrop! Includes the Duo Maxwell W Archives pages and interview with Sumizawa about FT!






In the process of scanning more chapters right now! Will post ASAP.
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Old 2010-12-15, 01:02   Link #1318
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Here's the RAW scans for the prologue chapter of Frozen Teardrop! Includes the Duo Maxwell W Archives pages and interview with Sumizawa about FT!
Woooo!! Thanks peacecraft!!
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Old 2010-12-15, 01:11   Link #1319
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Huh. So that's what Sumisawa looks like... Thanks, peacecraft!

and LMAO @wzs Relena is HIGH ROLLIN'
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Huh. So that's what Sumisawa looks like...
That made me LOL. 5/5
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