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Old 2010-07-14, 11:30   Link #61
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I wouldn't be surprised if hiraishin lvl2 needs sage mode to work. Using sage mode the user can feel every living thing and teleport to them. So if you balance a lot of chakra with sage mode you have more range. Now that naruto has kyuubi chakra his range of feeling things will ridiculously far.

This also got me thinking if that is the secret to defeating madara, sense wherever/wheneer his body is solid and instantaneously teleport and attack.

Also looking forward to instant transmission kamehameha, naruto style
That might just be instant transmission Genki Dama (Sage Ball of chakra) instant nuke bomb effect while teleporting away before the blast reaches him. ...
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Old 2010-07-14, 12:15   Link #62
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Well one thing i must bring up with Naruto learning Minato's technique is asking HOW he would learn it... With Minato suffering a little thing called death, there doesn't seem to be anyone who can teach it too him... If Kakashi knows the technique, then i'd have to ask why he doesn't make use of a such an obviously good technique... if the technique is written on a scroll somewhere, then i can't help but feel like it's irresponsible not to allow certain ninjas like Jiariaya or Kakashi to learn such an obviously useful technique; Jiariaya for one would not even be dead if he had that with him... the only reasonable explanation would be that was something preventing them from learning the move.... well just have to wait and see
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Old 2010-07-14, 12:20   Link #63
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^Duh, the Hiraishin will turn out to be a Uzumaki-based technique, and Naruto will learn the jutsu from his mom while they hang out inside his stomach.
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Old 2010-07-14, 12:57   Link #64
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If this is how training arcs are going to go
Sasuke might as well have a convo with Itachi inside his head since he has his eyes now. On top of that zombie pain should bring Jiraiya back from the dead so he can give sasuke a frog down his throat as well.

Naruto learning Hiraishin wouldn't make him his own person anymore he'd just become Minato v2
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Old 2010-07-14, 14:13   Link #65
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^Just like Shikimaru is only Shikaku v2? Or lee is only Gai v2? Your logic doesn't make much sense considering that 80-90% of the jutsus in the series come from the parents, teachers, or previous generations.
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Old 2010-07-14, 14:55   Link #66
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^Just like Shikimaru is only Shikaku v2? Or lee is only Gai v2? Your logic doesn't make much sense considering that 80-90% of the jutsus in the series come from the parents, teachers, or previous generations.
James, your avatar hypnotizes me. I love it!

The thing is though, even if it is passed down from parent to child, it would still make me wonder how he is going to learn how to use it, considering that Minato's chakra is pretty much gone, all he could do was have a short conversation with Naruto.

However, this brings another question: If his parents' chakras were hanging out inside Naruto, waiting for their personas to manifest within Naruto -- couldn't Naruto just sustain them with his own chakra? And if so, why didn't he do that to keep Minato with him?

Then he could have his own awesome training ground.
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Old 2010-07-14, 15:03   Link #67
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Minato might have simply left instructions on how the jutsu works which only Naruto can open, or something. Or maybe it's well hidden and Kushina knows where to look.

It's doubtful Naruto could sustain his parents with chakra alone, especially considering they have no physical form. His chakra would replace theirs and they would still fade.
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Old 2010-07-14, 16:17   Link #68
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If this is how training arcs are going to go
Sasuke might as well have a convo with Itachi inside his head since he has his eyes now.
I wish... Itachi would be able to smack Sasuke upside the head and tell him to stop being such an emo-prick
then we could skip all the melodrama and stay with the world domination plot

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Minato might have simply left instructions on how the jutsu works which only Naruto can open, or something. Or maybe it's well hidden and Kushina knows where to look.
Though like i said, i would say that leaving such a powerful technique for Naruto only seems pretty damn irresponsible... Ninjas like Kakashi, Jiraiya, and Sarutobi could have done a lot of great things with a technique that strong... Jiariaya and Sarutobi might still be alive with technique's like that
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Old 2010-07-14, 16:42   Link #69
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^Jiraiya could have handeled the Pain Brigade easily if he could have simply Shadow Bind them in one place, and then have a Toad chop their heads off. So does that mean an the Nara's should have provided their techniques to Jiraiya? Hell, if half the shinobi in Konoha knew the Nara shadow manipulation techniques (or the Yamanaka Mind Walking jutsus, or Gai's taijutsus, or Kakashi's Chidori, or anyone's summoning beast, etc), then the village would be better off. But they don't. Why? Because they are personal or family techniques. Hiraishin falls under a similar category.
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Old 2010-07-14, 16:55   Link #70
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Is Naruto learning Hiraishin all but certain now or is this still just speculation?
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After reading chapter 501 is Naruto bloodline part of the the Senju family?
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Old 2010-07-14, 17:25   Link #71
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So far interesting stories about how naruto is going to learn about the second level of jutsu started by his father. As to the theory that his mother will teach him the jutsus, I highly doubt that since she already has said she will follow Minato. Second, she doesnt have the jutsu to sustain for long. As to the theory that Minato hid a second lvl jutsu for naruto seems plausible but how is he going to find it when he is stuck on the island He prabably won't be able to use it when he fights Sasuke. As to the theory that Jiraya and kakashi should have been able to use such a jutsu left by Minato, it doesn't make sense because the jutsus we have known so far require a special person or passed down through families.
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Old 2010-07-14, 17:41   Link #72
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Though like i said, i would say that leaving such a powerful technique for Naruto only seems pretty damn irresponsible... Ninjas like Kakashi, Jiraiya, and Sarutobi could have done a lot of great things with a technique that strong... Jiariaya and Sarutobi might still be alive with technique's like that
As james' points out, a lot of ninjas would be better off if they knew half the techniques in this series, but these people are ninjas (however loosely) and aren't prone to share secrets except with people they trust/know can use them properly. There might be aspects to this technique that prevent others from learning it.

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Is Naruto learning Hiraishin all but certain now or is this still just speculation?
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Speculation to the first and yes to the second, albeit quite far removed. Really, though, with this new "level 2 Hiraishin", it's a practical guarantee Naruto's going to learn it.

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So far interesting stories about how naruto is going to learn about the second level of jutsu started by his father. As to the theory that his mother will teach him the jutsus, I highly doubt that since she already has said she will follow Minato. Second, she doesnt have the jutsu to sustain for long. As to the theory that Minato hid a second lvl jutsu for naruto seems plausible but how is he going to find it when he is stuck on the island He prabably won't be able to use it when he fights Sasuke. As to the theory that Jiraya and kakashi should have been able to use such a jutsu left by Minato, it doesn't make sense because the jutsus we have known so far require a special person or passed down through families.
"For long" is a completely arbitrary limit that will last however long is needed for Kushina to do what she wants, and that includes teaching Naruto a new trick. If he's going to learn it, he'll learn it soon, and if he does he will use it against Sasuke.
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Old 2010-07-14, 19:11   Link #73
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Minato might have simply left instructions on how the jutsu works which only Naruto can open, or something. Or maybe it's well hidden and Kushina knows where to look.

It's doubtful Naruto could sustain his parents with chakra alone, especially considering they have no physical form. His chakra would replace theirs and they would still fade.
If Sasuke already has soo many new techniques and can get new ones instantly simply because Itachi touched his head. Then why shouldn't the freaking 4th Hokage be unable to do the same ...

Though watching Naruto train has always been entertaining.
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Old 2010-07-14, 19:26   Link #74
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"For long" is a completely arbitrary limit that will last however long is needed for Kushina to do what she wants, and that includes teaching Naruto a new trick. If he's going to learn it, he'll learn it soon, and if he does he will use it against Sasuke.
I still don't understand how something that is not a living entity is going to stay for long teaching Naruto a new technique. Besides If this was possible in the first place, then how come Minato didn't stay inside Naruto for so long? Even if Kushina points Naruto in the direction which the secret jutsu is located then how in the world is he going to get off the island? Without a good explanation for this, we are stuck on how Naruto is going to learn a new jutsu in the near future. I think kishi is going to postpon the fight between Naruto and Sasuke because of the intervention from Kusame. When the Five Kages learn that Kisame has been hiding inside his shark.

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Old 2010-07-14, 19:31   Link #75
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^Jiraiya could have handeled the Pain Brigade easily if he could have simply Shadow Bind them in one place, and then have a Toad chop their heads off. So does that mean an the Nara's should have provided their techniques to Jiraiya? Hell, if half the shinobi in Konoha knew the Nara shadow manipulation techniques (or the Yamanaka Mind Walking jutsus, or Gai's taijutsus, or Kakashi's Chidori, or anyone's summoning beast, etc), then the village would be better off. But they don't. Why? Because they are personal or family techniques. Hiraishin falls under a similar category.
Ya and the rasengan was also a jutsu created by Minato, but both Jiraiya and kakashi were taught that technique... And the death god technique was learned by sarutobi...

you have to take into account is how long it could take to learn some of these techniques; the reason the other ninjas don't learn the nara's shadow techs is because they are too busy mastering their own family's techs...the whole reason they form teams is so they can take advantage of eachothers' techniques... you need shadowbind, then you put a nara on the team, you need mindswaping then you put a Yamanaka on the team; And hell those techniques are not the end all be all's either as we have seen there is plenty of difficulty in using those techs on you're own (you really think Jiriaya would be able to catch all the pains with nara's tech?)... Hiraishin however boasted a HUGE advantage and was a technique that was going completely unused; why NOT allow others to use these moves if they are so damn good... Jiriaya has been around for decades and thus would have plenty of time to learn the jutsu
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Perhaps because some facet of it prevents others from learning it with ease.
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Old 2010-07-14, 19:45   Link #77
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If Sasuke already has soo many new techniques and can get new ones instantly simply because Itachi touched his head. Then why shouldn't the freaking 4th Hokage be unable to do the same ...

Though watching Naruto train has always been entertaining.
First of all Itachi was real meaning he had a living breathing body. The second thing is Itachi and Sasuke are the descendent of the Uchiha clan who I should mention use eye techniques. I would assume it would be easier than ninjutsu's which are Naruto's forte. How in the world is Kushina going to transplant techniques that require physical energy?
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Old 2010-07-14, 20:22   Link #78
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Ya and the rasengan was also a jutsu created by Minato, but both Jiraiya and kakashi were taught that technique... And the death god technique was learned by sarutobi...

you have to take into account is how long it could take to learn some of these techniques; the reason the other ninjas don't learn the nara's shadow techs is because they are too busy mastering their own family's techs...the whole reason they form teams is so they can take advantage of eachothers' techniques... you need shadowbind, then you put a nara on the team, you need mindswaping then you put a Yamanaka on the team; And hell those techniques are not the end all be all's either as we have seen there is plenty of difficulty in using those techs on you're own (you really think Jiriaya would be able to catch all the pains with nara's tech?)... Hiraishin however boasted a HUGE advantage and was a technique that was going completely unused; why NOT allow others to use these moves if they are so damn good... Jiriaya has been around for decades and thus would have plenty of time to learn the jutsu
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The world of Ninjas is inhibited by clans. Have you ever seen Shino from the Aburame clan learning the Hyuga technique? Even if he wants to it would be impossible for since he didn't inherit the blood line. Did you even forget that Kushina thought the techniques to Minato? You can look it up at the previous manga. It would be totally unrelevent for Kakashi or Jiraya to master such techniques because they are from the Uzumaki clan.
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Old 2010-07-14, 20:28   Link #79
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Ya and the rasengan was also a jutsu created by Minato, but both Jiraiya and kakashi were taught that technique... And the death god technique was learned by sarutobi...

you have to take into account is how long it could take to learn some of these techniques; the reason the other ninjas don't learn the nara's shadow techs is because they are too busy mastering their own family's techs...the whole reason they form teams is so they can take advantage of eachothers' techniques... you need shadowbind, then you put a nara on the team, you need mindswaping then you put a Yamanaka on the team; And hell those techniques are not the end all be all's either as we have seen there is plenty of difficulty in using those techs on you're own (you really think Jiriaya would be able to catch all the pains with nara's tech?)... Hiraishin however boasted a HUGE advantage and was a technique that was going completely unused; why NOT allow others to use these moves if they are so damn good... Jiriaya has been around for decades and thus would have plenty of time to learn the jutsu
I don't recall anyone ever being forbidden from using Hirashin, its likely that Minato just didn't teach it to anyone else. We've already seen what lengths the Hyuga clan go to protect their Byakugans.
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Old 2010-07-14, 20:35   Link #80
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On the topic of how Naruto might learn the Flying Thunder God technique..

To quote a reliable site: "..this jutsu is similar to the Reverse Summoning Technique, as it revolves around manipulation of time and space rather than accelerated movement...".

"To activate this jutsu, the user needs a special seal or "technique formula" (術式, jutsu-shiki) to mark the destination. After this is done, the user enters a dimensional void that almost instantaneously transports himself to the location of the seal. Minato applied the formula in advance to weapons such as kunai."

Since this technique is just a seal rather than a ninjutsu (i think), then Naruto shouldn't have too much trouble mastering it. Just touch and go, and Kushina can easily tell Naruto what the seal is.
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