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Old 2010-12-02, 15:29   Link #101
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Honestly, I like how Vita looks like especially by Nanoha FORCE.

She'll always be to me the hammer-wielding loli of justice. XD And, she's fine the way she is. Hopefully they'll keep her that way, it's part of her personality and look. Plus, no one will expect a loli to kick your ass with a giant hammer in the end (and knock you clear across the sky), right? lol
I'm talking abour in-story, i know Vita is loved by the fanbase just the way she is(me included) but she apparently is a bit pissed by the fact that her former loli nakamas are all outgrown her ....and the new generation are starting to do it too xDU(it will be funny to see Vita and Cinque chatting on the matter xD). I thinks it's emtnioned that she may need some appearance changing magic if they plan to go to Earth again, so it's curious that Signum, the already older looking among them is the one to get the "aging" treatement". Probably she wants to look even more serious xD?
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Old 2010-12-02, 16:01   Link #102
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Both, actually. Some mage tampered with it, but not with the intention of turning into something as useless, unstable and dangerous as the Book of Darkness. Most likely something just went terribly wrong in the process

Can someone remind me what is the one that's considered a Lost Logia even in the age of Old Belka?
Actually... According to the Nanoha Vivid extra chapter The Book of Darkness was broken from the start...

Unless I translated it wrong...
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Old 2010-12-02, 16:07   Link #103
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Actually... According to the Nanoha Vivid extra chapter The Book of Darkness was broken from the start...

Unless I translated it wrong...
IIRC I got that info from A's, but I forgot whether it's the series or the manga; probably along the "nobody even remembered it's real name" line. OTOH it wouldn't be surprising if the writer decided to retcon them, assuming he even remembered

EDIT: Wait, I found it, A's episode 08, Yuuno's investigation result:
"To begin with, the "Book of Darkness" isn't its true name.
According to the old archives, its official name is the "Tome of the Night Sky".
It was originally made to gather spells from great mages all around the universe and study them, traveling together with its master.
I (Yuuno) think it started to be used for destruction because someone in the later generations of masters probably altered its original program.
I guess that means that in the past, just like now there were fools who recklessly tried to gain the enermous powers of the Lost Logia.
Because of that alteration its traveling and automatic data restoration functions have gone out of control."
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Old 2010-12-20, 10:00   Link #104
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This is part Q&A -part speculation; I didn't fell like splitting them since they're related

Where was it stated that only A-rankers or higher can fly, and if that's the case, why were the air mages during the Cradle Incident useless as anything but redshirts?
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Old 2010-12-20, 10:29   Link #105
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This is part Q&A -part speculation; I didn't fell like splitting them since they're related

Where was it stated that only A-rankers or higher can fly, and if that's the case, why were the air mages during the Cradle Incident useless as anything but redshirts?
Iirc, it's stated that A rank are accepted to the Air force directly, not that they are the only ones who can fly.

Also, there is a difference between 'flying' and "high-altitude air combat". Iirc, it was mentionned it was easier for A rank+ to fight in high-altitude.
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Old 2010-12-20, 11:43   Link #106
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Where was it stated that only A-rankers or higher can fly, and if that's the case, why were the air mages during the Cradle Incident useless as anything but redshirts?
Huh? The air mages weren't useless nor red shirts. They held off the drones and managed to break into the Cradle (they informed Hayate about the hole in the first place). Hayate, Vita, and Nanoha weren't doing it all themselves.

On the ground, they were doing a decent job holding the line.
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Old 2010-12-20, 11:57   Link #107
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Huh? The air mages weren't useless nor red shirts. They held off the drones and managed to break into the Cradle (they informed Hayate about the hole in the first place). Hayate, Vita, and Nanoha weren't doing it all themselves.

On the ground, they were doing a decent job holding the line.
Okay, so redshirt might be to harsh a word. Nevertheless, considering the abilities of named A-rankers (Ginga, Caro, Yuuno) you'd think with the number present they'd do much better than just holding out the mecha mooks. None of them were present at, say, the infiltrate and sabotage mission, aiding Vita and Nanoha, or even escorting Hayate (A Lieutenant Colonel! And one that's weak at close combat, meaning the entire ship!) inside...
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Old 2010-12-20, 22:56   Link #108
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Okay, so redshirt might be to harsh a word. Nevertheless, considering the abilities of named A-rankers (Ginga, Caro, Yuuno) you'd think with the number present they'd do much better than just holding out the mecha mooks. None of them were present at, say, the infiltrate and sabotage mission, aiding Vita and Nanoha, or even escorting Hayate (A Lieutenant Colonel! And one that's weak at close combat, meaning the entire ship!) inside...
What makes you think they weren't? There were tons of drones, enough that 50 slipped past the air defenses. And remember that not all troopers were A rank; there were probably a number of B and C ranked in there as well. Ginga and Caro have unique skills, also, and Yuuno has no real offensive abilities, so it's not exactly a good comparison.

Remember also that ranks are merely tests. Vice, for instance, had half the magic point values of Teana or so. He was a good shot with decent magic, but nowhere near the variety of skills Teana had.

AS far as infiltrating the cradle, what makes you think they weren't? There were a couple with Vita in the last episode. I'd imagine that Vita and Nanoha broke off from the main group to look for the head honchos inside, while the other good guys did searching of their own in a group. Another thing to consider is that only Nanoha and vita had AMF training(something the troops didn't have), and there was a heavier AMF inside the Cradle.
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Old 2010-12-20, 23:16   Link #109
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What makes you think they weren't? There were tons of drones, enough that 50 slipped past the air defenses. And remember that not all troopers were A rank; there were probably a number of B and C ranked in there as well.
Yes but I was talking about how it was stated (I don't remember well, or even if I remembered correctly, which is why I asked that too) that 'only A-rankers can be air mages'

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AS far as infiltrating the cradle, what makes you think they weren't? There were a couple with Vita in the last episode. I'd imagine that Vita and Nanoha broke off from the main group to look for the head honchos inside, while the other good guys did searching of their own in a group. Another thing to consider is that only Nanoha and vita had AMF training(something the troops didn't have), and there was a heavier AMF inside the Cradle.
They still let Hayate roam inside the ship unguarded, even though she suck at direct combat. And didn't Nanoha and co. secretly trained the troops to counter AMF?
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Old 2010-12-20, 23:17   Link #110
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A rank mages get to SKIP the training needed to get into air force and get to join automatically.

That's all.
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Old 2010-12-20, 23:39   Link #111
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Iirc, it's stated that A rank are accepted to the Air force directly, not that they are the only ones who can fly.
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A rank mages get to SKIP the training needed to get into air force and get to join automatically.

That's all.
Thank you. This clears up things.

Err...wait. Teana's AA, so does this means she's eligible even though she can't fly (at least, not when we're looking)?
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Old 2010-12-23, 13:39   Link #112
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Posted this in the General thread, but thought I should post this here, too: Japan passes an "Anti-Otaku" law. (that links to an editorial on the subject which I feel best sums it up, but there are a couple of NSFW images in the video).

Part of the "objectionable material" that is now illegal, is gay relationships. Any yuri in Nanoha is now forbidden. I suppose not too much will change, since any yuri in the first place was pure subtext made in ways that could easily be explained otherwise (thus no real chance of NanoFate anymore). But I also have to wonder if stuff like transformation scenes, onsen scenes, etc. will be forbidden as well.

Just speculating, mainly, on what Nanoha may have to cut to continue being published, so I suppose the speculation thread is the best place for it. Let me know if it should go elsewhere.

Edit: Adding this link: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/brain-diving/2010-12-21

It clarifies a few things, such as not being an outright ban, but a reclassification of things to 18+. Still, the effect might well end up resembling a ban, as it would have chilling effects for publishers. They'd be reluctant to carry things for fear it would step over the vague lines.

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Old 2010-12-23, 14:41   Link #113
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Maybe they foreshadow this and it's the reason for Tohma to appear xD?
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Old 2010-12-24, 04:23   Link #114
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Posted this in the General thread, but thought I should post this here, too: Japan passes an "Anti-Otaku" law. (that links to an editorial on the subject which I feel best sums it up, but there are a couple of NSFW images in the video).

Part of the "objectionable material" that is now illegal, is gay relationships. Any yuri in Nanoha is now forbidden. I suppose not too much will change, since any yuri in the first place was pure subtext made in ways that could easily be explained otherwise (thus no real chance of NanoFate anymore). But I also have to wonder if stuff like transformation scenes, onsen scenes, etc. will be forbidden as well.

Just speculating, mainly, on what Nanoha may have to cut to continue being published, so I suppose the speculation thread is the best place for it. Let me know if it should go elsewhere.

Edit: Adding this link: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/brain-diving/2010-12-21

It clarifies a few things, such as not being an outright ban, but a reclassification of things to 18+. Still, the effect might well end up resembling a ban, as it would have chilling effects for publishers. They'd be reluctant to carry things for fear it would step over the vague lines.
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Old 2011-01-21, 15:29   Link #115
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I don't know whether there's a canonical answer for this, so just to be safe I'll put this here instead of Q&A


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Actually, that's not so much a theory. Verossa summoned up a cake, so he could have been storing it in a subspace pocket or something, or simply teleported it to his hand. Considering that every device we've seen so far gets much bigger when activated, we are left to wonder where those parts are stored. Each one having their own subspace pocket that they can access for the extra parts, makes sense.
If the cartridges can be stored in hammerspace like that, then why bother having external feeders? Can't they just load all cartridges before battle and then use them as needed?
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Old 2011-01-21, 15:32   Link #116
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If the cartridges can be stored in hammerspace like that, then why bother having external feeders? Can't they just load all cartridges before battle and then use them as needed?
Probably a limit to how much you can store at once.
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Old 2011-01-21, 15:50   Link #118
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If the cartridges can be stored in hammerspace like that, then why bother having external feeders? Can't they just load all cartridges before battle and then use them as needed?
Because they can't be used while in hammerspace, and taking them out then loading them up would take too long?
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If the cartridges can be stored in hammerspace like that, then why bother having external feeders? Can't they just load all cartridges before battle and then use them as needed?
All answers above make sense, but I lean to the "faster to have them already out and ready" because even summoning stuff takes a bit of time. In the midst of combat, when you want a sudden magic boost, you don't want to have to spend magic and time to get it.

Now, I could see them storing some magazines in subspace, and when they've used up the supply on them, getting another few magazines when they have time to reload.
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Old 2011-02-04, 11:13   Link #120
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Obviously someone is going to hate me for this, but I think it's about time Nanoha Takamichi dies, if the series is ever going to be 'reborn', and this is no hater post. A new Nanoha anime with such an end would be truly epic.

Think of it, it's not even absurd that she dies at a young age, considering how far beyond her limit she went to cast her spells such as Excelion Buster, and her excessive usage of Blaster System (I suspect it's only for coolness it was called a booster that shaves away one's life, about time we make the danger realistic). The most I would give her myself is 40+ and the least 30+... Even if Starlight Breaker kinda does not uses the caster's own magic, Nanoha fired five at once near the end of StrikeS. The thought that she lives happily till 60 or even 50 seems a very lousy joke, I'll use Blaster System any day if that's the so-called life-shaving experimental booster.
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