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Old 2011-05-18, 04:35   Link #921
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er what does 靑一點. mean? Tried a translator but it doesn't seem to know the second symbol
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Old 2011-05-18, 04:57   Link #922
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^ kanji are blue, one, and mark/point... but I have no idea what it means... maybe melancholic give one point?
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Old 2011-05-18, 05:01   Link #923
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SHAFT: Where socially dysfunctional girls look attractive.

Seriously they've been doing this for a long time now, you can call them a specialist on oddball and eccentric characters.

Btw since someone brought this up

I'm gonna say she's one of my favorite singers since Venus&Jesus. She has a unique voice that is somehow...cute?...erotic?...erotically cute?...whatever, it's that unique voice that hooked me up.
Go listen to some Soutaisei Riron. It's her band when she's not doing solo material.
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Old 2011-05-18, 05:07   Link #924
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For the record, I dont like Bakemonogatari, Haruhi or Higurashi though so I certainly glad those three shows have nothing to do with this show. And I am not a sweaty basement otaku either.


An outstanding show with moe girls with crazy antics, one of the best MILF ever, and some touching moments. That is what it is. Any questions?
Sorry to break this to you but Bake actually has more connection to this series than you think. The author for Denpa takes a lot of inspiration from Nisio the author of Bake. You might even say that this series exist because of the work of Nisio. Who knows, the author might have written this series as a response to Bake.
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Old 2011-05-18, 06:33   Link #925
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^ kanji are blue, one, and mark/point... but I have no idea what it means... maybe melancholic give one point?
It is when there is a single male protagonist in the story in a situation where there are many females; removing all the other male characters from the story either by setting or direction. It might seems a bit similar to harem, but in this case, that male protagonist either SUFFERS a lot by other characters bossy/distinct/extraordinary nature or just EVAPORATES from the story and become tsukomi or simple narrator/side-assistant character. This happens commonly if protagonist is herbivorous male; Takatoshi Tsuda from Seitokai Yakuin-domo is just perfect example. It's about breaking the distinction between gender, thus it is really hard to make proper harem.

In case of Denpa Onna, Makoto is very ordinary compare to side female characters, so he faces two situations most of the time; 1. pwned by other characters and suffers from their weird antics 2. evaporates from story and becomes tsukomi.
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Old 2011-05-18, 06:42   Link #926
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er what does 靑一點. mean? Tried a translator but it doesn't seem to know the second symbol
One point for youth.

I believe.
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Old 2011-05-18, 06:46   Link #927
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One point for youth.

I believe.
靑 is youth not blue?
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Old 2011-05-18, 06:53   Link #928
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Rather than ao, that's the sei pronunciation for it. As in 'seinen', or as demonstrated in the title, 'seishun'. Seinen - young man, Seishun - youth.
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Old 2011-05-18, 06:53   Link #929
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Go listen to some Soutaisei Riron. It's her band when she's not doing solo material.
The internet has awarded me those for a long time already . Got'em almost immediately after Arakawa aired.

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靑 is youth not blue?
In Japan, "blue" is the synonym for "youth" or "inexperienced". Similar to "green" is the synonym for "inexperienced" in English. Actually Japanese usually refer to "green" as "blue" so they might actually be the same.
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Old 2011-05-18, 06:58   Link #930
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Wait, i just noticed that was , not
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Old 2011-05-18, 06:58   Link #931
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To add on, 靑一點 is simply antonym of 紅一點 (or 紅一点). 靑 is for blue/male, 紅 is for red/female.

Edited: 靑 = 青.
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Old 2011-05-18, 07:01   Link #932
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They're exactly the same. 靑 is just another way of writing blue, except it denotes a different shade, (well, not really. In essence, they're the same character.)
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Old 2011-05-18, 07:04   Link #933
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OK, probably i should shut up on the matter
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Old 2011-05-18, 07:06   Link #934
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Actually, that's the first time I've equated the definition of 'sei' as young with its colour. I never thought of it as linked, since they mean entirely different things in different contexts.

I guess 'tis like 'getsu'. where the month is equated with the moon.

Teiuka, all this stems from Chinese roots.
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Old 2011-05-18, 07:08   Link #935
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Agreeing with this. I was coming into this expecting a SHAFT-y, weird blend of Bakemonogatari, Haruhi Suzumiya and Higurashi no Naku Koro ni only with aliens instead of gods.

What I got was a generic harem moeblob show with a ton of deliciously hot women desperate to *** themselves on the protagonist's *** . Sweaty basement otaku wish-fulfillment fantasy at its finest.

Nobody's died yet, nobody's gone insane and gone on a murderous rampage, aliens haven't abducted anyone, no MJ-12, no men in black, no Illuminati, no Noisy Crickets...

Bo~ring.

Edit: Sorry SHAFT, but Puella Magi Madoka Magica set a new standard for your work. Producing this puerile moeshit after achieving that level of excellence is just a *** shame. The bar's been raised and you guys did the raising yourself--so what the hell is this?
I feel like a good number of people who comment against Denpa Onna are being unfair to the Work, the Studio, and the Author.

The Work
It irritates me when people approach this show with a simplistic mindset: "There's MOE" - "Therefore CRAP" - "Therefore NO PLOT." It's just unfair to brand a show as "CRAP" before even seeing it. (Note: "looking" is different from "seeing")

The Studio - Shaft
Two points.
Point one. A fisherman once said "No skill in the world will make the fish bite." Shaft made this show, if it didn't work for you, well that's that. Next season.
Point two. If you eat lobster every day, eventually you're gonna puke. Trust me. Take that however you will.

The Author.
The author did say that that Nisio Isin is an influence. But for people to expect him to be the 2nd Nisio Isin style-wise? I'd say no artist would like that. I believe Hitoma Iruma would like to be recognized as Hitoma Iruma and NOT as an fake Nisio Isin.
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Old 2011-05-18, 07:14   Link #936
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I wonder where the mindset that moe = crap came from.

It's just aimed at a different audience, the moe-ota. The fact that heavy amounts of moe will nearly always detract from the point is nearly completely irrelevant, as moe-blobs are meant to be watched by those who love moe.

Aside from that, rather than blaming SHAFT for your personal dislike, you should blame the source material. SHAFT, as a studio, is doing a good job animating it. Your own dislike stems from the moe-blob that the source material is, rather than their alleged horrible animation.
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Old 2011-05-18, 09:25   Link #937
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Obviously, there are people who just try to be intelligence. They fear that their image will be ruined if they like series which doesn't plot driven. They will have many many requirements (even if it looks stupid at times) so that it doesn't look like they like it easily (I'm high class you know!?!) and also to show that their reasons are valid when they like it. Most of them would act like a veteran and try to show off that "I've watched many more series than you do" But as much as veteran as they claim to be, it's a pity that they don't know the meaning of entertainment and personal taste.
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Old 2011-05-18, 12:18   Link #938
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...Nobody's died yet, nobody's gone insane and gone on a murderous rampage, aliens haven't abducted anyone, no MJ-12, no men in black, no Illuminati, no Noisy Crickets... Bo~ring.
Lol. You know, those are some elements I might consider shallow, objectionable, and/or aimed at an adolescent taste. Not that I'm right and you're wrong, or that adolescent taste isn't involved in this show, too. But there are various reasonable opinions here.
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Sorry SHAFT, but Puella Magi Madoka Magica set a new standard for your work. Producing this puerile moeshit after achieving that level of excellence is just a fucking shame. The bar's been raised and you guys did the raising yourself--so what the hell is this?
I thought MadoMagi unsubtle compared to this. Flashy and bombastic, and operating at the level of mere plot -- all of which may have helped it be successful. Not that I didn't like it a lot, but this seems at a higher aesthetic level to me, so far, despite having a less serious surface. However, none of us should mistake our personal preferences for universal truths.

@Malkuth -- I think people talk about "Shaft" too much, when they are really referring to Shinbou's work or style. But I'm not in their meetings, so I don't know if he really has the overwhelming influence it looks to me that he does.

@Silverwyrm -- As for 靑一點, doesn't it refer to the "adolescence points" that Makoto keeps talking about? "One adolescence point." So 靑 sei is short for 靑春 seishun "adolescence," as in the title of the show: "Crazy Girl and Adolescent Boy." (Or "young boy," "young man.") And 靑 is another way of writing 青, as applejuice said.
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Old 2011-05-18, 12:31   Link #939
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Follow up to my post. People who complain that Denpa Onna has no plot either haven't been watching or are downright naive. By naive I refer to people who don't understand subtlety.

Most are familiar with shows that have an overt plot. That's the stuff shounen stuff are made of. You can pretty much tell what its about from Episode 1. Setting. Main character. Ability. Villain. Not saying that this is bad. It just that it does has its share of weaknesses. For one, its plain. Well, that could be a good thing. But in a good number of times, change is in order. This could be done using plot twists or plot shifts. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

In contrast, Denpa Onna's plot, especially for WESTERN viewers (see conclusion of this post) is subtle. It doesn't tell you the story right away in Episode 1. Rather, it's slow, smooth AND developing. To make my point, let's look at the Erio-Meme relationship. Episode 1 we have Meme loosing it and going MMA on Erio. Relationship is almost hostile/apathetic. But in Episode 5, we now have Erio calling Meme MOM. They even had more mother-daughter bonding moments.

This development is subtle and it worked. It wasn't a one-episode thing. It wasn't overly dramatic. It wasn't drawn out. And it integrates well with the over-all plot of the show.

What is the over-all plot of the show? Well, it's right freaking there in the title: Crazy Woman and Adolescent Man. It's a coming-of-age story.

That's how I see it. Thank you.


(Another illustration about subtlety, though I'd hate to make this comparison, when you watched episode 1-2 of Bakemonogatari, were you able to gauge what type of anime it was?)
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Old 2011-05-18, 12:36   Link #940
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I think there's been an expectation train wreck for some people (e.g. Syn's frustration). I also think the "apologists" need to do their research better rather than just insult those people. Use Kaoru Chujo's example as how to do it, please.

I'm enjoying the series for the wacky and the cute ... but I also see where Syn's frustration comes from as story events seem to be vectoring towards some explanation but then it never (hasn't been yet) is given. Also, SHAFT or Shinbou isn't purely known for this kind of stuff (coughs and points to works like Tsukuyomi Moon Phase). Madoka may have been a "one-off" rather than a "sea-change" for SHAFT, but its impossible to assert either assessment until they roll out a few more series.

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