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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier: Sayonara no Tsubasa Movie Rating
Perfect 10 40 42.11%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 33 34.74%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 12 12.63%
7 out of 10 : Good 5 5.26%
6 out of 10 : Average 3 3.16%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 2 2.11%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
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Old 2011-09-17, 19:44   Link #2441
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*restrains herself from commenting on the movie*

I'll just agree with this:

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I'll wait for the DVD rips to come out.

Because then I won't have to EXPLAIN why...everyone will be able to see it for themselves why your scenario is implausible.
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Once again, SHE said it herself that she was there for Ranka.
She said (something along the lines of) "and it looks like Ranka will be ok too, so I can go back to Galaxy without (worrying)".

As raile noted earlier, this implies that she would have gone back to Galaxy anyway, whether Ranka got a singing backbone or not.

So NO, she didn't actually say that "she was there for Ranka", nor did she imply it. She was there because it was on her tour schedule (i.e. because Grace wanted it). And NOBODY (as far as I can see) is saying that Sheryl stayed for Alto, so can you stop going on about that?

Not to mention that this is the 2nd movie's thread. If you want to talk about the series, please go to some other thread.
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Old 2011-09-17, 20:20   Link #2442
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Its funny how every time I look at this thread when people start to comment more, the topic is always about who won the triangle . . . and as much as I love debating/reading about the triangle results, can't we just talk about a different topic (like the battles or what happened to the other characters) until the DVD is released and everyone watches it? That way we can have solid proof on what happened and that way conversation doesn't go around in circles? :3
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Old 2011-09-17, 20:26   Link #2443
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Its funny how every time I look at this thread when people start to comment more, the topic is always about who won the triangle . . . and as much as I love debating/reading about the triangle results,
Nah, the triangle topic was silent for a bit, until someone put the word RANKA in a post, and caused a very predictable knee-jerk reaction.

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can't we just talk about a different topic (like the battles or what happened to the other characters)
Well, last page, we were talking about Basara-sama, and his galactic-sized alter ego...

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until the DVD is released and everyone watches it? That way we can have solid proof on what happened and that way conversation doesn't go around in circles? :3
Several individuals had already seen the movie in Japan.

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Old 2011-09-17, 21:33   Link #2444
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There are more problems with the argument of yours that you just quoted than I have the time to deal with. Whether you believe it or not, this is what I thought before I wrote my previous reply.

And since this is the 2nd movie thread, they don't belong here anyway.

Please, either drop it, or take it somewhere else. I'm getting really tired of trying to be nice.
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Nah, the triangle topic was silent for a bit, until someone put the word RANKA in a post, and caused a very predictable knee-jerk reaction.
Yeah I've noticed. . . >3<

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Well, last page, we were talking about Basara-sama, and his galactic-sized alter ego...
True. XD

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Several individuals had already seen the movie in Japan.

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I just meant for the people who hasn't seen it in full detail and are (somehow) using their knowledge of the movie to argue with others . . . even though they don't know all of the details. . .

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which is why I think a lot of yuri lovers for SherriRan are correct that they'd be the actual ending for the triangle and Alto be damned.
If you think "Alto be damn" then why bother with the whole ARURAN ship? I mean you just said that the SherriRan shippers are correct that the ending for the Triangle was SherriRan. So why argue in favor of AruRan and not SherriRan?
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Old 2011-09-17, 21:54   Link #2446
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Me, I will continue to see the splendid end that is Alto being thrown halfway across the galaxy whilst Sheryl is stuck back on Frontier with Ranka... and in 40 years like one of the pics on pixiv illustrated once (pic below), he will return to find Sheryl and Ranka have married, leaving him with NEITHER of them, a payback for being so "indecisive" in the series.

(all the smiles represent my feelings through each part of the above explanation)
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Old 2011-09-17, 22:06   Link #2447
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Alto sometimes fails to do so
Here we go again.

Alto never failed anything, it was never his obligation to begin with. Get a clue.

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Old 2011-09-17, 22:22   Link #2448
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Here we go again.

Alto never failed anything, it was never his obligation to begin with. Get a clue.

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He took it up on his own (Ep.3) and asked for Ranka to rely on him (Ep.6). He took it up on his own (Ep.3). So therefore he FAILED to do so (especially in Ep.20).
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I'm not a yuri fan by trait. I prefer normal pairings like Alto and Ranka over yuri. But, like I said, SherriRan got my vote too. But #1 is AruRan for me. But when it comes down to who deserves Ranka more, it's definitely Sheryl who goes out of her way ALL the time to help her whilst Alto sometimes fails to do so, especially when you consider he doesn't give ANY girl lots of attention, and Ranka's the type to like attention.
But that's the thing, if Sheryl deserves Ranka more because she always helps/gives her attention to Ranka, then why bother with Alto? Cause from what I see you are more a Ranka fan than a AruRan and if I assumed correctly wouldn't you rather have Ranka be with Sheryl who always has her back rather than Alto? hmm how do I explain this. . . so think of yourself as Ranka's friend. Isn't logical that you would want her to be with someone who seems to always be there to help her out and who seems to always care rather than someone who doesn't, regardless of their gender? Not saying that Alto doesn't care about Ranka at all cause he does, just not as much as Sheryl . . . did that make sense cause I seemed to ramble a lot here so I can understand if I confused you. >3<

Hmmm maybe we should move this into the Romance thread or Ranka thread. . . this is getting off topic from the 2nd movie. >3<
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Old 2011-09-17, 22:46   Link #2450
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Agreed. If you want to discuss ANYTHING related to the TV series, pick the appropriate episode thread and post in there, otherwise, posts are going to get deleted, and, if you're persistent...
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Old 2011-09-17, 23:20   Link #2451
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But that's the thing, if Sheryl deserves Ranka more because she always helps/gives her attention to Ranka, then why bother with Alto? Cause from what I see you are more a Ranka fan than a AruRan and if I assumed correctly wouldn't you rather have Ranka be with Sheryl who always has her back rather than Alto? hmm how do I explain this. . . so think of yourself as Ranka's friend. Isn't logical that you would want her to be with someone who seems to always be there to help her out and who seems to always care rather than someone who doesn't, regardless of their gender? Not saying that Alto doesn't care about Ranka at all cause he does, just not as much as Sheryl . . . did that make sense cause I seemed to ramble a lot here so I can understand if I confused you. >3<

Hmmm maybe we should move this into the Romance thread or Ranka thread. . . this is getting off topic from the 2nd movie. >3<
To end this discussion here:

In the groups as a whole: #1 Ranka fan, #2 AruRan, #3 Michael, #4 Bobby, #5 Michael/Klan, #6 SherriRan, #7 Ozma, #8 Nanase, #9 Elmo, #10 Luca/Nanase, #11 Ozma/Catherine, #12 AruSherri, #13 Sheryl

But as couples go, see that AruRan is the top. I prefer it that way.

And despite the fact that Alto doesn't go to Ranka at every beck and call comes off to me as Alto allowing her to grow, which Ozma has not done over the years, letting her call him and he'll come running. Alto, instead, allows her to handle things on her own and only comes when she absolutely needs him. And when they are alone, they hold conversations with disagreements or arguments because they reach verdicts within their conversations, unlike another woman I know and dislike. A relationship that can reach agreements like that and continue moving on without divorce or breakup is a very good one to keep regardless if friendship or romance, and if, in the future, said person should need a companion, that is one that you should contemplate.

However, Sheryl is the opposite of Alto when it comes to caring for Ranka. 90% of the time, you see Sheryl checking up on Ranka and offering to help her, making her rely on Sheryl more; which doesn't help Ranka grow. Which is why I praise Nanase in Ep.8 for "she doesn't need your help." This is very true. Sheryl should be more like Alto and Michael, letting her grow. This is where Sheryl and Ranka's relationship kinda hits a snag. After all, quite often, we see Ranka argue about how she wants to be treated like an adult. Plus, Sheryl, later in the series, feels more jealousy at Ranka for her career falling apart instead of looking at the brighter side of things, she lets things fall apart; and Ranka too. They both are very attached to those around them and when they fall apart, no one can help them but the ones they care about. If you happen to notice, Sheryl's words did not help Ranka perform in Ep.20 like Alto helped Ranka in Ep.3 without really meaning to.

Her feelings for Alto and Sheryl are also very different.

Remember now that Ranka adores Sheryl because she was her "idol" and "hero." These affections are not love and unless she releases these "dreamy" emotions, no relationship will be built beyond friendship. This is where Ranka's "dreamy" gaze really hits, nothing like Ep.1.

In Ep.1 & 2, when Alto rescues Ranka, that begins their bond. She starts to desire a connection with him because he risked his life for her. If I recall, she talked about repaying the debt she owned him for helping her out in Griffith Park. But if you listen to what Michael and Ozma say about Ranka often, she rarely makes friends with strangers, especially when you consider she didn't know Alto was Michael's classmate.

Ranka's affection for Alto came to be love when she got to spend more time around him. And you have to hand it to Ranka that she is a very good observer, for Seikan Hikou has a lot of lyrics that deal with the sky or space, both which involve Alto. Regardless if she wrote the song or not, I doubt Elmo wrote it, for it revolved around the same things that Alto desired. It wasn't hard to tell that Alto liked the sky, for he made enough paper airplanes for her to tell. Why remained a mystery to her until Ep.21, but if you haven't noticed, Ranka isn't pushy with him. This gets her good points with Alto, for he opens up to her on his own instead of pushing answers out of him. Alto, who's been pushed around his whole life by his father to do things, adores this, which is why Ep.21 is one of those beautiful moments where he shares his past with her and a bright, if not sparkly, smile.

Ranka had no reason to doubt she had love for Alto.

Anymore you have to say Yunbo, please take it to the Romance Thread or Ranka Thread.

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Here we go again.

Alto never failed anything, it was never his obligation to begin with. Get a clue.

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Drop it already, geez. I told you the answer to that stupid comment and I'm sure AruRan fans would back me up 100% with the fact he did take up the obligation in Ep.3 and took the responsibility from Ranka by telling her to rely on him in Ep.6. So his shortcomings later on are failures, as you love to state.

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Back on topic, there is an HD clip of that trailer. I don't know if you posted that one up, raile.

Negate that, you did. I double checked.
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So how about that fantastic, completely legit, AruSherri ending in the 2nd movie? :P

(I jest)


So as October slowly creeps closer, what is everyone plans to get though to month and the subbing period?

And for those whom have yet to see it (or for those waiting to rewatch it) what are your expectations?


(diversion ho!)
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Back to my pathetic attempt at diversion, yes?

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And for those whom have yet to see it (or for those waiting to rewatch it) what are your expectations?

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Back to my pathetic attempt at diversion, yes?
Since you asked...

Mecha porn, lots and lots of it. I want an entire hour of battle-ballade in the likeness that is episode 25. Unfortunately, I've been informed it will only last 30 minutes, which is slightly disappointing. The extra 60 minutes of special, I can only wonder what that is. Interviews will piss me off, though.

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Since you asked...

Mecha porn, lots and lots of it. I want an entire hour of battle-ballade in the likeness that is episode 25. Unfortunately, I've been informed it will only last 30 minutes, which is slightly disappointing. The extra 60 minutes of special, I can only wonder what that is. Interviews will piss me off, though.

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Uh, I don't think we get an extra 30 minutes of mecha porn...
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Since you asked...

Mecha porn, lots and lots of it. I want an entire hour of battle-ballade in the likeness that is episode 25. Unfortunately, I've been informed it will only last 30 minutes, which is slightly disappointing. The extra 60 minutes of special, I can only wonder what that is. Interviews will piss me off, though.

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Sorry, Tak.

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You wouldn't believe me even if I kept the video and posted it. So, quite honestly, I don't care if you believe me or not.

And by the way, it's not just MY scenario, 90% of AruRan fans think it too.
Just to clarify a misunderstanding, by "your sceneario," I meant your claim that you have the movie up until "Sheryl collapses" but that it stops before "Ranka in the field." I wasn't saying anything about your interpretation of the story. I find this unlikely for more than one reason.

And yeah, if you'd posted the video, that would've convinced me quite handily that you'd seen it.
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Hello guys,

Only 4 days for BD release now. So, i thought leaving a little image dump about the movie; besides , I promised Tak to share this thing some time ago:

WARNING: Xtreme spoilers!!!

Spoiler for ...":

The best parts to me, besides the concerts sketches, are the Macross History section between pg 111 and 123.
Maybe is too much to ask, but would be great to have translation of that pages.

See you around


P.S. I used imageshack only because of habit. Any advice is welcome if the links are no good. PM me for batch link.
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