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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier: Sayonara no Tsubasa Movie Rating
Perfect 10 40 42.11%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 33 34.74%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 12 12.63%
7 out of 10 : Good 5 5.26%
6 out of 10 : Average 3 3.16%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 2 2.11%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2010-12-23, 11:43   Link #421
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Okay, in the Macross universe, we haven't really seen any examples of polygamy. I'll give you that, then. I thought you meant what you said in a more general manner. My bad.

And I would also like to see a choice, personally. I'd even strongly favor one girl over the other - guess which one - but I'd continue to be just fine with it all if we had no resolution, yet again. It has sort of become the standard for most non-exclusively romance shows, these days, anyway. I mean, even the voice actors want a resolution, if we go by the episode commentaries, but... The Hory Froating Head is king, after all.
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Old 2010-12-23, 11:46   Link #422
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From a literary perspective I feel it undermines one of the principle conflicts in the series. The assumption of monogamy is one of the basic elements of a love triangle, thus forcing a choice with a clear winner and loser. It's why love triangles are popular and effective conflicts. If taking them both was always a valid option then it makes the entire conflict seem rather silly. Granted, you can use that to your advantage, I just don't think it would work here.

As for approval within the setting, Michael gets pretty pissed and rather violent with Alto when he suspects the hime of two-timing.
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Old 2010-12-23, 11:54   Link #423
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That's very true...well we will see how the staff handles this...

seriously, the love triangle is taking too much focus...in the second movie, I would rather see Alto choose someone before the final battle so I can enjoy the battle a lot more XD
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Old 2010-12-23, 12:03   Link #424
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That's very true...well we will see how the staff handles this...

seriously, the love triangle is taking too much focus...in the second movie, I would rather see Alto choose someone before the final battle so I can enjoy the battle a lot more XD
I agree, fighting and explosions is my favorite focus too. There's just nothing to debate about there, just shout "YAY! AWESOME!".
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Old 2010-12-23, 12:10   Link #425
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Okay, in the Macross universe, we haven't really seen any examples of polygamy. I'll give you that, then. I thought you meant what you said in a more general manner. My bad.
Oh, I'd never say that...since there are polygamous cultures in the world that seem to be working just fine. But yeah...in this context, I don't see it working out.
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Old 2010-12-23, 15:32   Link #426
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To me I feel that if there is a winner in the movie, then said girl wins in both. Unless it's OT3, then I disown it. Only thing is for some of us it will be a very long time before we can see the movie (10 months for the DVD to come out for the last one), and I am concerned the whole plot will get spoiled, but I do want to know one thing from the movie when it hits theaters, and that's whether or not the Love Triangle concludes definitively. I don't want to know who wins or how it concludes, just if it does. Well, you can tell me if it's OT3, then I have ten months to get over the head banging phase and actually enjoy the movie.(
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Tochiro, Save, Josue (all from MW) and I had a nice little roundtable with the Tokyo Macross Fan Club last night, and we talked about this a bit. Tochiro's opinion is that there simply CAN'T be a "winner" or a "loser" in the movie, since both girls are simply too popular. I was reminded of the interview with Yoshino from the Official Fan Book, where he says that Kawamori told him, at the first Budokan concert, that it would've been bad to see Megumi and May'n on that stage and think of one as a loser.

Josue earlier tossed out the idea that maybe they'll kill off Alto in the next movie, but he may have been joking. Still...it'd resolve the triangle, no?
Well, I think if it were the series, Sheryl being the one who ends up with Alto would be the only right thing to do. As for the movie... that'd depend on what happens in movie two. As for now, no one is a "favorite" in the movie-verse, IMO.

As for the "OMG, if one girl takes Alto the other one is a LOSER!" argument... that's incredibly vapid. I guess in all those romance anime where some girl/guy was the one who ended up being in a relationship, all other guys/girls were then damaged goods and losers at life? If Ranka would have chosen at the series end to give up on Alto and move on with her life, she'd been a far better character and person for it than with the petulant "I won't lose" we got at the end. She'd certainly have regained much of the respect I had for her at the midst of the series.

Now, if you say that the soulless marketing guys fear loss of merchandise sales, I fear that'd be a much stronger argument than fans seeing one of the two RL singers as a loser. Which, I repeat, is ridiculous.

In case anyone missed it, I think another non-resolution ending would be a big stinking middle finger from Kawamori to the fans and also a declaration of storytelling bancruptcy. And on that cheery note my real log-off for until after christmas eve. Merry christmas, once again!
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Old 2010-12-23, 15:49   Link #427
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Tochiro, Save, Josue (all from MW) and I had a nice little roundtable with the Tokyo Macross Fan Club last night, and we talked about this a bit. Tochiro's opinion is that there simply CAN'T be a "winner" or a "loser" in the movie, since both girls are simply too popular. I was reminded of the interview with Yoshino from the Official Fan Book, where he says that Kawamori told him, at the first Budokan concert, that it would've been bad to see Megumi and May'n on that stage and think of one as a loser.

Josue earlier tossed out the idea that maybe they'll kill off Alto in the next movie, but he may have been joking. Still...it'd resolve the triangle, no?
Yeah i remeber that interview with Yoshino and i think it was a good idea because at that time they had already decided to continue with frontier, with the movies, the concerts and all the merchandise, so having a "winner" maybe that would have affected their sales.

But if they really intend to finish Frontier with the second movie and move on to a new project then I don't see why they would choose not to finish the triangle, I mean back in the SDFMacross days Minmay was much more popular than Misa but that didn't stop them from making her the "loser", in fact that didn't even affect her popularity as she is the most iconic character of the series.

I don't care if Alto chooses Ranka or Sheryl, I just want a conclusive ending to this so called "Super Galaxy Love Story" would that be so bad? both are popular, good characters and good singers (the characters and the real girls), i don't see much difference if one or the other end up having a romantic relationship with the main character (and no one is saying that the relationship is going to last forever, just remember Max and Milia ).

Again, i just want a conclusive ending, oh and Killing Alto technically would solve the triangle too so I accept that option
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Old 2010-12-23, 16:07   Link #428
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and no one is saying that the relationship is going to last forever, just remember Max and Milia
But their relationship did not end with their separation. It just... evolved.
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Old 2010-12-23, 17:36   Link #429
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Again, i just want a conclusive ending, oh and Killing Alto technically would solve the triangle too so I accept that option
I would support this ending too, if it means to end the endless debate/shipping once and for all XD

But then ppl/audience would urge Alto to make a decision when eventually all three reach the afterlife
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Old 2010-12-23, 22:43   Link #430
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Or hope that one ship wins, then it's as simple as one side shuts up and goes to fanfiction while the other says things like "of course" and "knew it all along."
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Old 2010-12-24, 00:16   Link #431
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if the conclusion is in the series, then yeah you are right...too bad the series didn't have the conclusion...any conclusion in the movie will be ignored by the other side by suggesting that movie and series are different XD
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i watched the first movie a few days ago and it was all sorts of awesome <3

for the PV of the 2nd movie, it looks like sheryl in the wedding dress but it seems shes lying on the ground/kneeling?

mebbe shes crying coz alto was gonna marry her but then he ran off with ranka? D=
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I think it is the other way around... Ranka is crying... In the last artwork someone posted before
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Both are too popular to choose one is such a cop out... it also ignores that while on 2ch they are fairly even in popularity (Sheryl slightly), the AxS pairing is far more popular. At least that's how it was at the end of the tv series... was actually amazed the some fans were able to separate favorite pairing from favorite character...

Minmay "losing" didn't hurt her status as the icon of the entire franchise...
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Who are you and what did you do to Westlo?
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I think it is the other way around... Ranka is crying... In the last artwork someone posted before
Can you find it to me? can't find it anywhere
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Both are too popular to choose one is such a cop out... it also ignores that while on 2ch they are fairly even in popularity (Sheryl slightly), the AxS pairing is far more popular. At least that's how it was at the end of the tv series... was actually amazed the some fans were able to separate favorite pairing from favorite character...

Minmay "losing" didn't hurt her status as the icon of the entire franchise...
Going by fan polls is always a tremendously bad way to tell a story.
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for the PV of the 2nd movie, it looks like sheryl in the wedding dress but it seems shes lying on the ground/kneeling?

mebbe shes crying coz alto was gonna marry her but then he ran off with ranka? D=
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I think it is the other way around... Ranka is crying... In the last artwork someone posted before
I don't see any of this happening in that Preview.
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Going by fan polls is always a tremendously bad way to tell a story.
Presumably that is why people feel that the claim that both characters are "too popular to choose between" is such a cop-out. If someone wants to believe that Alto's decision has the power to make one girl spontaneously become a lot more awesome, and the other a lot less awesome, then that's their prerogative. (The same holds true of their VAs, as well, although I can't for the life of me think of why anyone would think of a VA as being a "winner" or "loser" simply by virtue of the characters they voice.)
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