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Old 2010-09-07, 14:03   Link #361
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What happened to a hand full of Vasto Lorde would rape SS?
It was said that Aizen leading 10 or more Vastro lorde would mean certain doom for a Gotei 13 missing 3 captains. Aizen didn't have that many and Hitsu wasn't taking into account the vizards or Isshin when he said that.

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it would be fine if the black coffin were destroyed by raw strength alone, but the way it was presented here...
Well, that's exactly what happened but what makes it so unbelievable is how effortlessly Ichigo was able to do it.
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Old 2010-09-07, 14:23   Link #362
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Saying 10 Vasto Lordes would destroy the 10 remaining captains is essentially saying that a Vasto Lord is stronger than a captain. And yet the top three Arrancarized Vasto Lordes were incapable of beating the captains they faced (Okay well Barragan was beating Soi Fon but there's no excuse for the other two)
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Old 2010-09-07, 14:26   Link #363
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Well, that's exactly what happened but what makes it so unbelievable is how effortlessly Ichigo was able to do it.
No, Ichigo destroyed the incantation, he did not break free from the coffin.
It was more like immunity than saving throw
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Old 2010-09-07, 14:42   Link #364
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Saying 10 Vasto Lordes would destroy the 10 remaining captains is essentially saying that a Vasto Lord is stronger than a captain. And yet the top three Arrancarized Vasto Lordes were incapable of beating the captains they faced (Okay well Barragan was beating Soi Fon but there's no excuse for the other two)
Well, there are actually excuses. For Espada #1 (Stark): He had the upper hand in the battle against Shunsui, but as soon as Shunsui released and used the games of his sword, he was able to beat Stark. This isn't that surprising, as he remarks how not even Hitsguya is as strong as him (100 years til he catches up).

For Espada #2 (Barragan) he is defeated by Hachi, a vizard not a captain.

For Espada #3 (Halibel) She comes back from the dead after Wonderweiss frees her. Hitsguya struggles to beat her, even with the help of Lisa and Hiyori. Therefore, Halibel's strength shows to be more than Hitsguya's.
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Old 2010-09-07, 14:59   Link #365
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Well, there are actually excuses. For Espada #1 (Stark): He had the upper hand in the battle against Shunsui, but as soon as Shunsui released and used the games of his sword, he was able to beat Stark. This isn't that surprising, as he remarks how not even Hitsguya is as strong as him (100 years til he catches up).
How is that an excuse? Shunui is still a captain and he only used his shikai to beat Stark. Just because he said he was stronger than Hitsugaya doesn't mean he only needs a shikai to beat a Vasto Lord. And he only said Histugaya wasn't as strong as him because Hitsugaya was inexperienced.

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For Espada #3 (Halibel) She comes back from the dead after Wonderweiss frees her. Hitsguya struggles to beat her, even with the help of Lisa and Hiyori. Therefore, Halibel's strength shows to be more than Hitsguya's.
Yes but the only reason she was given a second chance in the first place was because WonderWeiss freed her. Histugaya already beat Halibel the first time round. Hitsugaya most defintely proved to be stronger than Halibel. What does it matter if Histugaya struggled to beat her after? It wasn't a fair fight afterwards and not just because of Hiyori and Lisa. He used his strongest attack and it cost him. Ofcourse he was going to struggle afterwards. That doesn't prove anything.
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Old 2010-09-07, 15:25   Link #366
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Well, there are actually excuses. For Espada #1 (Stark): He had the upper hand in the battle against Shunsui, but as soon as Shunsui released and used the games of his sword, he was able to beat Stark. This isn't that surprising, as he remarks how not even Hitsguya is as strong as him (100 years til he catches up).
Being stronger than a captain means being able to beat a captain even when they are using bankai... Shikai alone should not be enough for a Vasto Lorde. Honestly if you can't even beat a captain who is using nothing more than Shikai, then in no way could you ever make the claim to be stronger than a captain

Furtharmore, These are not just Vasto Lorde's, but ARRANCAR vasto lordes... becoming an arrancar vastly increases a hollow's strength and power. Put these facts together and fighting against the top epsada should have been a rather hopeless and futile task for the SS captains...

And hitsugaya... he's actually seen as one of the weaker captains
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Old 2010-09-07, 15:41   Link #367
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That's because Toushirou has had to endure so much fanservice. All the shitty jobs go to him, trips to the real world? Have fun, Toushirou. The worst ones have got to be those filler episodes in the anime where he stays in the real world. In one of them he even plays freaking football with Ichigo's sister. I can't see any other captain doing that.
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Old 2010-09-07, 15:42   Link #368
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whats the strongest kido to have been performed so far??

I assume #1 is a nuke of some sorts.
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Old 2010-09-07, 15:46   Link #369
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In one of them he even plays freaking football with Ichigo's sister. I can't see any other captain doing that.
What are you talking about?
Ukitake would LOVE to play football with a bunch of kids XD
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Old 2010-09-07, 16:35   Link #370
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whats the strongest kido to have been performed so far??

I assume #1 is a nuke of some sorts.
#96 was pretty close to that. Yamamoto vs Aizen.
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Old 2010-09-07, 16:38   Link #371
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What are you talking about?
Ukitake would LOVE to play with a bunch of kids XD
Fixed now someone call the police

But yeah I agree about the Vasto Lorde thing but power levels don't make sense in Bleach, like someone said Hitsu struggled against Luppi who Grimmjow one shotted and he is #6, Ichigo with his mask beat #6 released so technically Ichigo with his mask is vastly stronger than Hitsugaya but even without segunda etapa Ulquiorra could rape Ichigo who is #4.

Now keeping in mind Masked Ichigo should be stronger than Hitsugaya and was raped by the first release of #4 how is it Hitsugaya beat released #3
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Old 2010-09-07, 17:01   Link #372
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Old 2010-09-07, 17:07   Link #373
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Fixed now someone call the police

But yeah I agree about the Vasto Lorde thing but power levels don't make sense in Bleach, like someone said Hitsu struggled against Luppi who Grimmjow one shotted and he is #6, Ichigo with his mask beat #6 released so technically Ichigo with his mask is vastly stronger than Hitsugaya but even without segunda etapa Ulquiorra could rape Ichigo who is #4.

Now keeping in mind Masked Ichigo should be stronger than Hitsugaya and was raped by the first release of #4 how is it Hitsugaya beat released #3
Maybe Ulq was the real #1, I mean Aizen did want Ichigo to evolve his powers, how would he do that against a weakling?
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Old 2010-09-07, 17:13   Link #374
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Maybe Ulq was the real #1, I mean Aizen did want Ichigo to evolve his powers, how would he do that against a weakling?
Exactly that is why I use the fact that Ulquirra had a second release that he kept secret to tell that the rankings were inaccurate.
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Old 2010-09-07, 17:14   Link #375
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Maybe Ulq was the real #1, I mean Aizen did want Ichigo to evolve his powers, how would he do that against a weakling?
O_o ....O_O... you could be on the right track there. Bravo young man! *applause*
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Old 2010-09-07, 17:18   Link #376
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Exactly that is why I use the fact that Ulquirra had a second release that he kept secret to tell that the rankings were inaccurate.
I mean it's also back to the fact that we don't know the difference between first release and second when it comes to Ulq. Ichigo was pwn't the first time and the second was just Ulq "for teh lulz."
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I mean it's also back to the fact that we don't know the difference between first release and second when it comes to Ulq. Ichigo was pwn't the first time and the second was just Ulq "for teh lulz."
He could have beat Ichigo with just his first release and as for his second one he murdered Ichigo then. The second realese is more powerful than the first I can tell because his second release speed increases and he become more flexible and the second was so much more cooler so Ulquirra could might just be the the number 1 Espada
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Old 2010-09-07, 17:32   Link #378
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Saying 10 Vasto Lordes would destroy the 10 remaining captains is essentially saying that a Vasto Lord is stronger than a captain. And yet the top three Arrancarized Vasto Lordes were incapable of beating the captains they faced (Okay well Barragan was beating Soi Fon but there's no excuse for the other two)
What that's saying is that Aizen leading two other rogue captains + 10 enemies each on par with a captain's power would be enough to totally overwhelm SS.

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No, Ichigo destroyed the incantation, he did not break free from the coffin.
It was more like immunity than saving throw
Not sure I understand, it looked like Ichigo just smashed it.

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How is that an excuse? Shunui is still a captain and he only used his shikai to beat Stark. Just because he said he was stronger than Hitsugaya doesn't mean he only needs a shikai to beat a Vasto Lord. And he only said Histugaya wasn't as strong as him because Hitsugaya was inexperienced.
Using "only" shikai to defeat an opponent isn't any kind of concrete indicator of the enemy's strength. Ichigo used just his shikai to defeat unrestrained Kenpachi but had to use bankai to defeat Byakuya. Does that mean Ken is just that much weaker Bya? Shikai can be ridiculously powerful. Aizen and Yamamoto are proof of that.


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Yes but the only reason she was given a second chance in the first place was because WonderWeiss freed her.
Which is moot point because Aizen was trapped by Yamamoto's flames then was freed and proceeded to beat the crap out of everyone.


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How is that an excuse? Shunui is still a captain and he only used his shikai to beat Stark. Just because he said he was stronger than Hitsugaya doesn't mean he only needs a shikai to beat a Vasto Lord. And he only said Histugaya wasn't as strong as him because Hitsugaya was inexperienced.

The only way I can think that this can make sense is if you consider the fact that after Stark and Wonderweiss knocked down Shunsui and Ukitake they would likely have gone for proper finishing blows if not for the Vizards timely arrival. Especially since Stark did say against Rose and Love that a Cero was not strong enough to beat strong guys like them and a Ceri, point blank, is what was used against Shunsui.

Therefore, it is possible that maybe Stark was aware that Shunsui could return and rejoin the fight, but he probably figured the Captain would be honourable and stay down until the fight was over since Stark was now fighting someone else. Suprise! Stark as wrong-o and Shunsui even points out when Love and Rose comment on him interrupting there battle but Shunsui states that it shouldnt matter about style because a Captain cant afford to lose a battle.

Plus, Stark also fought and used his best techniques against Love and Rose and therefore a fully able to fight Shunsui could and probably did just stand back and watched the battle unfold and then, using his smartness, determined his best course of action and jumped in at the right time. Winning the fight because his opponent had no new tricks whereas he had kept his cards close to his chest.

Course, I may be totally wrong... XD

As for Hitsuguya, I got no idea. Maybe white hair makes you strong? Hooray! Dandruff!
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Old 2010-09-07, 17:46   Link #380
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How is that an excuse? Shunui is still a captain and he only used his shikai to beat Stark. Just because he said he was stronger than Hitsugaya doesn't mean he only needs a shikai to beat a Vasto Lord. And he only said Histugaya wasn't as strong as him because Hitsugaya was inexperienced.
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It is the color game that beat Starrk don't forget a shikai can be overpowered too. Just like Aizen and Kira. Shunsui zanpaktou engulfed him in the anime when he said black of course though in the manga it may have been a bit diffrent but the color game was what beat Satrrk, but if he fought a battle gainst strengh alone Starrk would win greatly.
Yes but the only reason she was given a second chance in the first place was because WonderWeiss freed her. Histugaya already beat Halibel the first time round. Hitsugaya most defintely proved to be stronger than Halibel. What does it matter if Histugaya struggled to beat her after? It wasn't a fair fight afterwards and not just because of Hiyori and Lisa. He used his strongest attack and it cost him. Ofcourse he was going to struggle afterwards. That doesn't prove anything.[/QUOTE]

Actually in the manga Tia broke herself out of the shards. She didn't need the help of WW. This proves Tia's power
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