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Old 2010-09-08, 09:54   Link #21
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Old 2010-09-08, 09:57   Link #22
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-Wow, must be the angle of the mask or something, but Madara looks PISSED. I mean, wow who knew the secret to defeating him was the same as dealing with Inuyasha's Miroku? Just throw shit into the void that'll hopefully clog it up.
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Old 2010-09-08, 10:02   Link #23
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^I was just going to post that .

Yet again, Kishimoto is trolling us with Tobi's identity. People who want to read those marks as scars, still will. And people who want to read the marks as wrinkles, still will. Nothing new is shown, and nothing new is gained (from the image at least, the comments of potentially giving Nagato the Rinnegan do give some semblance of age to Madara/Tobi (older than Nagato, who was around Minato's age)).

Still, I am impressed by the damage Konan dealt, especially with relatively simple exploding seals (that reminds me, Nagato's legs were also destroyed by explosion seals). Despite Commandos words, the women of this series haven’t shown much fighting capability in several hundred chapters, so it’s nice to see a woman do some real damage for a change, especially to the supposed final villain. Can't wait to see what her final jutsu is...
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Old 2010-09-08, 10:10   Link #24
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I really like the symbolism Konan described regarding the red clouds on the Akastuki cloaks; I have alot of appreciation for meaningful symbolism and metaphors. Anyway, finally things are starting to pick up and become intersting again, getting naruto and his dumb ass friends off the screen is like a breath of fresh air.

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Thats a nice illustration; I don't think we've seen Madara that angry before; perhaps we may see a powerful technique comparable to whatever he used against the four tailed monster? If he did indeed give Nagato the Rinnegan, I can't wait to see what those Madara is Obito zealots come up with to keep their theory coherent. There is still a chance it might be true guys, don't give up the fight.
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Old 2010-09-08, 10:13   Link #25
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Despite Commandos words, the women of this series haven’t shown much fighting capability in several hundred chapters, so it’s nice to see a woman do some real damage for a change, especially to the supposed final villain. Can't wait to see what her final jutsu is...
-Yes, isn't it great ? I realise that men are the centerfold of a shonen series, but you know what? As far as I know, many men also love to see WOMEN; kicking ass (consistently) and being more than just a pretty face, chest and waist. Just another reason to keep Konan alive until the end of the series. Would be awesome if she was the last Akatsuki (well, relatively) once everything is finished.

-As for the "ocean becoming paper", am I the only one that gets a Naruto vibe out of that? Its like when Naruto faced Pain and he disguised some 50-60 Kage Bunshin as pebbles on the ground.
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Old 2010-09-08, 10:29   Link #26
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The Ocean of Paper does look supremely cool...

Hopefully, this will finally convince the naysayers that paper can be used in a watery environment ...
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Old 2010-09-08, 10:31   Link #27
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Thats a nice illustration; I don't think we've seen Madara that angry before; perhaps we may see a powerful technique comparable to whatever he used against the four tailed monster? If he did indeed give Nagato the Rinnegan, I can't wait to see what those Madara is Obito zealots come up with to keep their theory coherent. There is still a chance it might be true guys, don't give up the fight.
Well think about it the blast blew up his right side (same side that Obito was crushed), if Madara can regenerate then they will open the theories back up, it seems like Kishimoto is treading around the idea whilst putting his other foot into Tobi is Madara waters.

1 chapter and she's finished! New record!
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Old 2010-09-08, 10:36   Link #28
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Hopefully, this will finally convince the naysayers that paper can be used in a watery environment ...
Well ya, when an author doesn't give a damn about logic and is willing to work beyond the suspension of disbelief, anything is possible
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Old 2010-09-08, 10:36   Link #29
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Old 2010-09-08, 10:38   Link #30
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Old 2010-09-08, 10:43   Link #31
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Well ya, when an author doesn't give a damn about logic and is willing to work beyond the suspension of disbelief, anything is possible
The moment Lightning beat Earth was the moment Kishimoto showed that he could care less about logic in regards to Ninjutsu...

Honestly, if people are that upset about it, just tell yourselves that Konan coats ever piece of paper with her chakra, effectively laminating the paper, making it water-proof.
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Old 2010-09-08, 10:50   Link #32
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The moment Lightning beat Earth was the moment Kishimoto showed that he could care less about logic in regards to Ninjutsu...
I was tempted to reference that... If an author makes up bullshit once, never be surprised if he does it again
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Honestly, if people are that upset about it, just tell yourselves that Konan coats ever piece of paper with her chakra, effectively laminating the paper, making it water-proof.
but not oil apparently...
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Old 2010-09-08, 11:13   Link #33
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-Yes, isn't it great ? I realise that men are the centerfold of a shonen series, but you know what? As far as I know, many men also love to see WOMEN; kicking ass (consistently) and being more than just a pretty face, chest and waist.
I agree its nice to see a good looking women who are strong and capable, but in this manga, I don't really care either way. I'm reading this manga because I like the plot, and the type of fighting and techniques used in this universe, and I love battles that require plenty strategy. If theres a sexy girl somewhere in the middle, hey, cool. But there is a whole genre of mangas (if im not mistaken) where women are "consistently" the strongest characters in the story. So to me, complaining about the lack of consistency regarding sexy strong women in a shounen makes as much sense as complaining about the lack of poultry in a vegan supermarket; when theres a dedicated market that specifically satisfies that very demand...

I can understand people's frustration though; their favorite female is worthless (usually Hinata or Sakura), so they just abandon all hope in frustration. But its not that serious guys, lighten up. Its not like you're reading along just for the girls are you? (if you are, there is yet another niche that should satisfy your needs )

Anyway cool pics! Way to go Konan!
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Old 2010-09-08, 11:27   Link #35
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What? Yahiko knew Madara? Madara gave Nagato the rinnegan? What the hell is Kishi thinking....
Tobi is a Liar remember???

some of his words are not true at all...
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Ok...maybe that's enough eh?
Right....and in this vortex somehow a green little man gets sucked in.... that happens to be a namek who knows about a supreme being who could deal with this... creates the dragonballs... Dragon gets summoned... Goku gets wished on the pages and totally destroys anything.

Goku wants to get back and that will be the second and final wish... happy end.

... i hate to act like a jerk but... that's a bit too far you know..

Just like the picture where it seems that Madara totally got wasted by a... (can you believe it?) a female?? Are you serious?
Madara's reputation keeps dropping...atleast as a great ninja. Maybe he really can't use the MS hmm...??
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Old 2010-09-08, 11:44   Link #37
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I agree its nice to see a good looking women who are strong and capable, but in this manga, I don't really care either way. I'm reading this manga because I like the plot, and the type of fighting and techniques used in this universe, and I love battles that require plenty strategy. If theres a sexy girl somewhere in the middle, hey, cool. But there is a whole genre of mangas (if im not mistaken) where women are "consistently" the strongest characters in the story. So to me, complaining about the lack of consistency regarding sexy strong women in a shounen makes as much sense as complaining about the lack of poultry in a vegan supermarket; when theres a dedicated market that specifically satisfies that very demand...
No one is upset that more pretty girls aren't around; no they are upset because the pretty girls are there, but they are only eye candy. It's bad enough that most of the characters are thrown under the bus just for Naruto and Sasuke, but to almost never have a worthwhile female character si a double slap to the face.

That being said, plenty of Shounen manga have tough female characters (One Piece, Psyren, Negima, Kenichi, even later JoJo, etc), and they show them being tough (unlike Naruto, where lip service is the going rate for female characters), so it's not like they do not exist. And, when we know that the Narutoverse has legendary female shinobi, we want to see what they (and other women) are capable of, but sadly Kishimoto seems to go out of his way to limit our exposure to such badassery (hell, the most impressive fighting exploits by a female character in recent memory were probably Shima's help in the Pain fights, and she did next to nothing).
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The Ocean of Paper does look supremely cool...

Hopefully, this will finally convince the naysayers that paper can be used in a watery environment ...
-My eyes just orgasm'd out of sheer awesomeness (p.q). THIS is why I stick with this manga so much, regardless of the many, many shenanigans and let downs. Thank you Konan, I needed that.

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I agree its nice to see a good looking women who are strong and capable, but in this manga, I don't really care either way. I'm reading this manga because I like the plot, and the type of fighting and techniques used in this universe, and I love battles that require plenty strategy. If theres a sexy girl somewhere in the middle, hey, cool. But there is a whole genre of mangas (if im not mistaken) where women are "consistently" the strongest characters in the story. So to me, complaining about the lack of consistency regarding sexy strong women in a shounen makes as much sense as complaining about the lack of poultry in a vegan supermarket; when theres a dedicated market that specifically satisfies that very demand...

I can understand people's frustration though; their favorite female is worthless (usually Hinata or Sakura), so they just abandon all hope in frustration. But its not that serious guys, lighten up. Its not like you're reading along just for the girls are you? (if you are, there is yet another niche that should satisfy your needs )
-I think you misunderstood me a bit. We have our frustrations with Kishimoto because we know from his own words and illustrations that the women in this manga are indeed capable. Yet, despite all that, he continually denounces their efforts in favour of characters that got stale a while back. The frustration comes from the fact that Kishimoto gives us a glimpse of how epic his women actually are, then he pulls a 180 and takes it back. Its like we're a starving rabbit and he's dangling a sweet, juicy carrot in front of us then pulls it away and eats it himself while we die of starvation. Or to put it in a more relevant way, Kishimoto has emphasized that his fights favor not pure power and strength, but determination and willpower (regardless of gender). Let me do a bit of a rundown of what I mean:

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Yet for every single one of those moments, there's at least half a dozen instances where these awesome characters are pushed to the background, make stupid mistakes that are unbefitting of them or are just there to act as a cry-on-cue button and be the damsel in distress. I cannot speak for everyone, but I have been with this manga for so long, that things like this are starting to get on mine nerves. Especially, when I know they/Kishimoto can do better.
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^Besides Sakura/Chiyo in the Sasori fight, nothing you listed from Part II is in anyway "epic". Tsunade protected some people, but Nagato simply brought everyone back to life, effectively making her protection meaningless (and then she went into a coma due to her effort, allowing Danzou to almost fuck over the entire alliance; hell, it would have been better for Tsunade if she would have died, then at least she could have been resurrected with the rest of the village at full strength).

Hinata had a great character moment, but she was essentially crushed like the bug she is.

Hell, even Terumi's "coolness" was destroyed when you realize Sasuke was already 2/3rds dead.

Even Temari (the only woman in all of Part I to always look badass), in Part II, is reduced to a character tending to her sick brother and asking others to save her kidnapped brother.

Konan is the first (human) female character to take part in a fight in any meaningful way in close to 250 chapters (or whenever the Sasori fight was). It went beyond annoying to outright pitiful a long time ago...
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-@James, that is preciselly my point. All of these "moments" that would have been flawless on their own were downgraded by Kishimoto's treatment/choices. Like you said, even Temari was reduced down to...whatever the hell she is now. Its quite sad and frustrating at the same time knowing you've seen better performances in the past.
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