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Old 2010-10-07, 11:10   Link #201
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To be honest, Kubo has a major chance to bring back the things that we loved from Bleach... he has tons of ways to do it in an epic way... but he has the same chances to ruin it...
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Old 2010-10-07, 11:19   Link #202
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To be honest, no matter what he does most people on this forum will say he ruined it.
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Old 2010-10-07, 11:23   Link #203
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Youre obviously a really negative person (or just a troll?). I am aware of the fact that bleach has gone downhill and that i was bored out of my mind during the deicide-chapters. But i see this chapter as a new beginning. I read the spoilers and thought: "this chapter looks terrible". But when i read it, hey it wasnt so bad. Its like getting back to the bleach i love.

A 2 week hiatus is a good thing, i think mr. Kubo is obviously overworked and needs some time off. I am confident that bleach and ichigo will come back, stronger than ever.

On another note; HM was a backwards SS. If you see Ichigo and Rukia parting during SS, they are saying the same things as now. I think this is a nice move by Kubo. I really loved the IchixRuki stuff this chapter; Kubo's art is still a-mazing.

And about timeskip in the next chapter: More like back to high school. Im betting on it.
If you find this a good ending, you've obviously never read a good book or seen a good movie.

Rukia and Ichigo were very, VERY close friends, and in this chapter they just go "looks like I'll never see you again."
"No, you won't"
"Ok, bye!"

If I, personally, had to say goodbye, for the rest of my life, to a friend as close as that, I'd be an emotional wreck. Rukia and Ichigo just look sad. That's it. It also doesn't help that all rukia has to do is ask Urahara for a gigai (which he'll happily give her) and they can see each other quite often.

I haven't got much experience with manga, but if you really want to see one hell of a good ending, go read Rurouni Kenshin. The goodbye took basically a whole book, not just a few pages in a chapter, and ended in a positive note (it was a new start for everyone).

I'm not trolling, but it just seems like mr. Kubo lost track with his own creation and wanted to end it before it got too painfully obvious.

There was talk of vasto lorde: where were they? Why did the captains suddenly become strong enough to defeat opponents ichigo with mask couldn't, while at the same time ichigo defeated said captains while they were at maximum strength? How did Yami get defeated? Why didn't orihime use her rejection powers on everyone instead of letting people lose limbs?

The amount of plot holes is just a little too huge..
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Old 2010-10-07, 11:23   Link #204
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Lol Aizen's dad is imprisoned on the 8th lvl...and this had all been a plot to get a sentence worthy of such a punishment and 20,000 yrs is needed for Aizen to break his Dad out...boom!
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Old 2010-10-07, 11:40   Link #205
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Honestly? I mean...Honestly!?

Just like that, letting him off easy? Are you damn serious? Even if you offed Ichigo it wouldn't turn out this bad. And now, I need clarification, am I reading a bad translation, or is it repeatedly saying 'Shinigami Powers'. I'd appreciate it if anyone could clear that up.

Only Raptor Charzard with a AK-47 can save you now Bleach. That or this new arc has to surpass a whole new level of epic. I'm on my last straw here

But, one of the most epic quotes was in this chapter.

Captain Commander : Just what do you think your Captain Haori are anyway?!

Byakuya - Cheap.

Kenpachi - A pain in the ass.

Shunsui - A fashion accessory?

If they added that near the end of the chapter I might of actually been less frustrated. Nice to see that the Captain Commander can do a suicidal technique and live...
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Old 2010-10-07, 11:45   Link #206
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There was talk of Vasto Lorde; where were they? Why did the captains suddenly become strong enough to defeat opponents Ichigo with mask couldn't, while at the same time Ichigo defeated said captains while they were at maximum strength?

The number of plot holes is just a little too huge...
The Vasto Lorde were the top few Espada - why else would Barragan be able to rule Hueco Mundo for so long?
The power level discrepancy is due to the fact that while escalation was necessary, making Ichigo fight them all without letting the captains fight would irritate fans and be stupid - it could also be said that they were either not fighting to full potential (even Byakuya isn't enough of a dick to fight full out to kill his own sister) and that they'd been training heavily from that point in preparation for the Winter War.
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Old 2010-10-07, 11:55   Link #207
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Next chapter will be time skip and
  1. Orihime and Ichigo will get married and have kids
    Ishida will have his own Hospital
    Aizen will escape
Oh an I must add
Ichigo's gonna be bored with regular life and Urahara gonna discoer some way to regain his powers
Chad dies ? ?


What I really don't understand is that Ichigo has hollow powers... so the loss of his Shinigami powers = loss of Hollow Powers ?
And where is Renji ?
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Old 2010-10-07, 12:02   Link #208
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The Vasto Lorde were the top few Espada - why else would Barragan be able to rule Hueco Mundo for so long?
The power level discrepancy is due to the fact that while escalation was necessary, making Ichigo fight them all without letting the captains fight would irritate fans and be stupid - it could also be said that they were either not fighting to full potential (even Byakuya isn't enough of a dick to fight full out to kill his own sister) and that they'd been training heavily from that point in preparation for the Winter War.
I don't thing training for three months will result in a doubling of reiatsu. It takes a lot of years to master a bankai, I don't suppose it'll only take months to suddenly because super strong (unless you're Ichigo, of course).

Am I really the only one who finds people getting inexplicably stronger time and time again kind of.. lame?

If the top 3 espada were Vasto Lorde, why did they lose so easily to captains? Vasto lorde are supposed to be captain level. Arrancar-vasto lorde would be WAY beyond that, yet they either got defeated with relative ease or failed to overcome their opponent.

To think that Hitsugaya had difficulties cleaning up a normal arrancar during the arrancar arc and a few months later fought on the same level with the third espada..

Honestly, I loved the SS arc. It was great, and Mr. Kubo clearly had a lot of inspiration at that time, but after that it seemed to become a long sequense of uninterupted fighting with only one goal: KILL Aizen (but that didn't quite work out so they just imprisoned him for 20 millenia).

I would have honestly thought we'd see more of Zero Division and the Spirit King before the Aizen Arc ended, never mind some back history on Isshin Kurosaki.

Mr. Kubo would totally earn my respect if he decides to never return Ichigo's Shinigami powers though.
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Old 2010-10-07, 12:08   Link #209
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honestly at this point, even if another of aizen's just as planned xanatos gambits occurred it would still be better then this crap. worst arc end ever...


though it would be awesome if everything in the last 2 years was a illusion and aizen lops off ichigo's head for the villian win.
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Old 2010-10-07, 12:09   Link #210
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Am I really the only one who finds people getting inexplicably stronger time and time again kind of.. lame?
Golden Shounen experience pal. Perhaps you're looking for a different genre? I suggest Seinen for the less direct solutions to problems. But always, always know that this is coming from a series like this.
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Old 2010-10-07, 12:09   Link #211
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If you find this a good ending, you've obviously never read a good book or seen a good movie.

Rukia and Ichigo were very, VERY close friends, and in this chapter they just go "looks like I'll never see you again."
"No, you won't"
"Ok, bye!"

If I, personally, had to say goodbye, for the rest of my life, to a friend as close as that, I'd be an emotional wreck. Rukia and Ichigo just look sad. That's it. It also doesn't help that all rukia has to do is ask Urahara for a gigai (which he'll happily give her) and they can see each other quite often.

I haven't got much experience with manga, but if you really want to see one hell of a good ending, go read Rurouni Kenshin. The goodbye took basically a whole book, not just a few pages in a chapter, and ended in a positive note (it was a new start for everyone).

I'm not trolling, but it just seems like mr. Kubo lost track with his own creation and wanted to end it before it got too painfully obvious.

There was talk of vasto lorde: where were they? Why did the captains suddenly become strong enough to defeat opponents ichigo with mask couldn't, while at the same time ichigo defeated said captains while they were at maximum strength? How did Yami get defeated? Why didn't orihime use her rejection powers on everyone instead of letting people lose limbs?

The amount of plot holes is just a little too huge..
ichigo never stood out as the sentimental type. i mean, after saving rukia from certain death, his first act was to throw her across the top of a plateau.
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Old 2010-10-07, 13:00   Link #212
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Golden Shounen experience pal. Perhaps you're looking for a different genre? I suggest Seinen for the less direct solutions to problems. But always, always know that this is coming from a series like this.
I haven't got much Manga experience, and my interest in it is rather limited. I just found bleach appealing and I've been loyally following it for over three years now.
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Old 2010-10-07, 13:42   Link #213
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Terrible end to a terrible arc. I have zero hopeful expectations for Kubo, but I will continue to read out of curiosity.

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Golden Shounen experience pal. Perhaps you're looking for a different genre? I suggest Seinen for the less direct solutions to problems. But always, always know that this is coming from a series like this.
Bleach's power balances are an absolute mess. Ichigo power level rises to whatever is convenient for the plot.

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ichigo never stood out as the sentimental type. i mean, after saving rukia from certain death, his first act was to throw her across the top of a plateau.
Why should we feel sympathetic for an apathetic character?

Also, that's a bad example. Ichigo throwing Rukia shows that he's reckless, not unemotional.
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Old 2010-10-07, 13:49   Link #214
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Bleach's power balances are an absolute mess. Ichigo power level rises to whatever is convenient for the plot.
Well that's just the name of the game: shonen. The problem is how there was no effort this time around.
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Old 2010-10-07, 13:50   Link #215
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I wonder if he could do the Urahara training again, pit of trails pt2!
Not really. That training only worked because Ichigo had Shinigami powers of his own. The powers Byakuya had taken from him were the ones he borrowed from Rukia. Now, Ichigo lost the very powers he had found during his training with Urahara. He won't find them again if he tried, and he'll turn into a Hollow.
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Old 2010-10-07, 13:50   Link #216
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I didnt see the end of this arc as bad as most people seem to. If it was the ed sure but there is still time to answer all these questions
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Old 2010-10-07, 14:13   Link #217
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This is Kubo's chance to redeem Bleach.

Give us a 5 year time skip and start anew.
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Old 2010-10-07, 14:17   Link #218
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This is Kubo's chance to redeem Bleach.

Give us a 5 year time skip and start anew.
I think that Kubo grew tired of this and just finished this failure, looking for a new start.
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Old 2010-10-07, 14:22   Link #219
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While surfing internet, I had stumbled on posts that said that this arc is over... I was like "No way!" and just had to check how it ended after such long and dissapointing drag.

Well... if after the two week break we will have a time skip, then this ending was not a complete satisfactory.
It was not bad, actually I suprisingly found it enjoyable. Obvious minus is that still no one died.

And the part that I was looking forward most of all was a trapped Urahara in the barrier, or at least something mentioned about it or why he is not trapped... several other loose ends too but maybe next chpters will cover it so who knows.

Also the Tatsuki/Orihime reunion was missing, after such angered and depressed Tatsuki moment which happened many years ago...

Also wanted to see everyones reaction about Gin but seen none so yeh...

Yamamoto seemed slightly OOC but still liked that funny exchange. Suprised that Orihime didn't restore his arm.

P.S. Had checked episodes previews, looks like my last favorite part will be animated finally. So probably will comment on new episode too.

Otherwise I'm off again, have a good time everyone!
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Old 2010-10-07, 14:36   Link #220
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Im still going out on the ichigo joins the soul society arc, a man can dream.

edit: also, cant see her? Spiritual power flows like a water fountain to people in this manga now he will obviously get some.

edit2: holy fuck wait wait, did they let momo die?!
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