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Old 2010-12-12, 04:53   Link #661
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In hindsight, this was a useless episode.
So character development for a side character is useless now? Plus interaction between Klan and Michael is needed, or they would feel completely empty later on. & let's not forget seeing Grace's hidden side of her, which is far from useless.

As for Sheryl training, worth it just to see her adorable little feet.
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Old 2010-12-12, 05:08   Link #662
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In a way, it's kind of a shame they never followed up on this, but then again I'm not sure how they would, so maybe it was all for the best.
Probably because they didn't actually plan to have him around much longer. Kamiya-san (or it could have been the writer) mentioned that they'd originally planned to kill Michel off in the first cour, but he turned out to be pretty popular, so his death was put off for a while.

(I thought I might as well make this note since everyone's referring to episode 20 already. IIRC, it's from the commentary for 20: full details then if so.)
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Old 2010-12-13, 11:39   Link #663
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Probably because they didn't actually plan to have him around much longer. Kamiya-san (or it could have been the writer) mentioned that they'd originally planned to kill Michel off in the first cour, but he turned out to be pretty popular, so his death was put off for a while.

(I thought I might as well make this note since everyone's referring to episode 20 already. IIRC, it's from the commentary for 20: full details then if so.)
Kawamori also said (in the episode commentary in 2059:Memories that Michael was initially slated to die in the first cour, but he got to live longer because he turned out to be a better character than the staff were expecting.
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Old 2010-12-13, 12:51   Link #664
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And by the reaction his death got, they were right. But I think they took the easy way out anyway, because actually resolving his romance with Klan would have needed another magic handwave, and they were all out of those when they rescued Sheryl.
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Old 2010-12-13, 13:27   Link #665
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I think it would have been better if he did die in the first cour. This way, we could have seen some kind of impact. Whenever characters die at the end, it gets glossed over with the climax of the plot.
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Old 2010-12-13, 13:30   Link #666
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Personally i'm glad he died in the second half. Wouldn't be able to handle sad Klan for half the series.
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Old 2010-12-13, 15:05   Link #667
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But I think they took the easy way out anyway, because actually resolving his romance with Klan would have needed another magic handwave
I really don't see why. Care to elaborate?
I mean, it's not like they couldn't resolve whatever was actually troubling them by themselves or with a little help, was it?
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Old 2010-12-13, 15:33   Link #668
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I really don't see why. Care to elaborate?
I mean, it's not like they couldn't resolve whatever was actually troubling them by themselves or with a little help, was it?
All of the drama and back story they touched on would have required a couple of episodes to be properly fleshed out.

I smell an AU OVA about this...
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Old 2010-12-13, 18:08   Link #669
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I really don't see why. Care to elaborate?
I mean, it's not like they couldn't resolve whatever was actually troubling them by themselves or with a little help, was it?
Well, there seemed to be no cure for Klans loli micronizing problem and, from what Yot-Chan said, IIRC, Michael conveniently had a genetic condition that prevented him from macronizing. Which made his comment about Klans genes being clumsy a bit ironic.

Hence we would have gotten an uncomfortable situation if their romance would have gone forward, one way or another. Which I won't elaborate on, since I think everybodies dirty imagination can do the rest for both possible situations.
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Old 2010-12-13, 19:50   Link #670
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If they had said she just gets younger when she micronizes, it'd be fine in a few years.
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Old 2010-12-13, 21:01   Link #671
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Sheryl's flight training is highly glossed over, but there really wasn't time to make her a good pilot from absolutely no flight experience whatsoever. Still, the event of her joining the pilot program was important to what was, for me, the most hilarious moment of the entire series. It just made us all believe it could happen, which made it all the more brilliant.

It would have been nice if she spent the last ten episodes getting up to average pilot level to show her hard work paying off, but I don't think very much time passes between 14 and 25 really, and obviously Sheryl's illness took over as far as plot is concerned which I have to confess is probably the better choice of plotline for all parties involved despite the hand waving at the end, but now I'm really getting ahead of myself with the series and this sentence is becoming exorbitantly long.

This episode touches on why she fails though. Note that we don't see her ever doing any actual training. We see a publicity stunt in a propaganda commercial and Sheryl doing some stretches at home. Next episode shows this even more.
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Old 2010-12-13, 21:53   Link #672
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Personally i'm glad he died in the second half. Wouldn't be able to handle sad Klan for half the series.
It did not want that it died, but to this point I agree to you.
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Old 2010-12-13, 22:37   Link #673
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Sheryl's flight training is highly glossed over, but there really wasn't time to make her a good pilot from absolutely no flight experience whatsoever. Still, the event of her joining the pilot program was important to what was, for me, the most hilarious moment of the entire series. It just made us all believe it could happen, which made it all the more brilliant.

It would have been nice if she spent the last ten episodes getting up to average pilot level to show her hard work paying off, but I don't think very much time passes between 14 and 25 really, and obviously Sheryl's illness took over as far as plot is concerned which I have to confess is probably the better choice of plotline for all parties involved despite the hand waving at the end, but now I'm really getting ahead of myself with the series and this sentence is becoming exorbitantly long.

This episode touches on why she fails though. Note that we don't see her ever doing any actual training. We see a publicity stunt in a propaganda commercial and Sheryl doing some stretches at home. Next episode shows this even more.
Her actual training gets covered on the first drama album, where she insists that it's NOT just a publicity stunt.

The best part is Michael teaching Sheryl how to use the EX-Gear...
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The best part is Michael teaching Sheryl how to use the EX-Gear...
ooh...you've piqued my curiousity...

*wanders off to listen...*
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Old 2010-12-13, 23:10   Link #675
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ooh...you've piqued my curiousity...

*wanders off to listen...*
It ain't called "Sheryl's Doki-Doki First Experience" for nothing...
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Tsk, tsk, I guess Michael really had to try out if she doesn't like womanizers?
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Old 2010-12-14, 04:44   Link #677
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It ain't called "Sheryl's Doki-Doki First Experience" for nothing...
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edit: well...of course I'll watch the Michel episode ^^

Probably my favourite pic/shot in the series:


Also spotted one thing no one else seems to have mentioned (unless you were waiting for the next episode in order to post it? in which case, m(_ _ )m):



Finally, is it just me, or is this the episode where Alto really started thinking about why he joined SMS? (and this after Sheryl prompted him to think about how he feels about Frontier back in episode 6). That I've just read some parts in the novel dealing with the same material may well be influencing my perception of the development of Alto's character here, but with the hindsight of having seen the series once already, it now seems pretty significant to me...

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p.s. the commentary track for episode 10 is up in the link in my signature, if anyone wants a listen during the next week or so.
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Old 2010-12-14, 11:01   Link #678
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You guys are making be so jealous right now...
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Old 2010-12-14, 15:08   Link #680
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Her actual training gets covered on the first drama album, where she insists that it's NOT just a publicity stunt.

The best part is Michael teaching Sheryl how to use the EX-Gear...
Oooh, nice. At least she took her two-week crash course in flight school seriously, although the crash part is not meant to be taken seriously. Silly girl.
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