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Old 2011-01-16, 19:08   Link #1101
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To make it worse, how about Kyubey outright lying about saving the world? If there are no magical girls then there are no witches then there are no threats to the world. Kyubey is just some kind of parasitic demon in (well duh) pyramid scheme to siphon the power of the heart of the girls at the expense of the girls and the world.
I'm wary of him, but I don't see enough evidence to condemn him like that. There are certain things which puzzle me and which I want resolved first. For example his "When you give up it's all over" quote - remember who said that too? Madoka's mother.

We need more info.

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this makes me wonder why Homura doesn't go all out in killing both Kyubey AND Mami, morality be damned for the world is itself is at stake.
Why the hell would she do that? She attacked Kyubey for a clear reason, but since she had to accept that it had been unsuccessful, this reason vanished. She'd have to be a psychopath to initiate wanton killing, and I don't read her like that at all.
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Old 2011-01-16, 19:17   Link #1102
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Alas, another series condemned to slowly die in the solitary confinement that is a subforum.
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Old 2011-01-16, 20:48   Link #1103
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Old 2011-01-16, 21:04   Link #1104
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Well, mostly I just find it harder to check for new posts when the series I'm interested are divided up into subforums rather than consolidated, but I do think there's a phenomenon in which discussion slows down a bit in subforums.
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Old 2011-01-16, 22:15   Link #1105
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Well, mostly I just find it harder to check for new posts when the series I'm interested are divided up into subforums rather than consolidated, but I do think there's a phenomenon in which discussion slows down a bit in subforums.
The show's gotten like 600 posts since the show started and with the fact that it's an original and that EVERYONE is anticipating something to happen I doubt it's gonna slow.
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Old 2011-01-16, 22:22   Link #1106
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Starting out fast doesn't mean things won't slow down. It just means that the slower speed will still be pretty fast.

And while the sample size is pretty small and surely there are are other variables, it's already slowed down considerably when compared to a few hours ago.
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Old 2011-01-16, 22:45   Link #1107
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Just watched it today. I saw two episodes and now I'm craving more like woah. >w>;

Er... what day do new episodes typically go online? owo;; *feels like a n00b for asking*
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Old 2011-01-16, 22:47   Link #1108
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Old 2011-01-16, 23:05   Link #1109
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Like, every Friday for Nutbladder subs.
Nice. For once I get to be a part of the fandom from the beginning of the show to the end!

*goes back to planning her inevitable MSMM/Lyrical Nanoha crossover*
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Old 2011-01-17, 00:27   Link #1110
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This series got a forum!!

Mmmm... that was so damn fast.

Anyway, I'm going to enjoy reading/talking about this series.

Btw, which sub has the best quality in both video ans subs (obvious)?
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Old 2011-01-17, 02:28   Link #1111
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Btw, which sub has the best quality in both video ans subs (obvious)?
It's all quite subjective, but getting into the details is off-topic for this thread.

However, a simple solution is to download an episode from each group subbing it and go with the group that "feels" right to you.
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Old 2011-01-17, 04:51   Link #1112
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Given the credential of the director, I cannot help but to think of the potential developments going in the direction of a tragedy, for all the players involved. Instead of developing on the points aforementioned, I am going to look at Junko Kaname, mother of Madoka in her position. There exists more than enough potential with her alone to form a series that would revolve about office intrigues.

I seriously think of Junko as another way to look into the issue of the blessing/curse at this moment, for both cases revolve around being asked of pursuit of happiness relative to the price to be paid, with the mother implicit and the daughter explicitly asked. We the audience would not be foreign to the stakes involved in corporate infighting, where right and wrong in the moral sense is relative and the very goal of the participants abstract.

Junko is now strong enough criteria wise of eying the succession of a corporation where there is one position, that of the president's, to climb. She should be in charge of operations, with the accounting department acting as her rival to seize the prize ahead. Junko's Kyubey being the words of management sages, with Mamis and Miki Sayakas all along the path that we call experience or the corpses that she has trampled upon.

Just as Madoka and Miki know not of what is the total cost of their investment into this proposal of wish granting, it remains to be seen if Junko knows the total cost of her investment to the throne of that corporate realm. The outcome and the actual realization are even further from the reaches of current facts available.

I want to see from the eyes of the opportunist against the eyes of the two caught in the web about the central question that is present in this series ultimately. Here's to hoping that even this game behind the game will get developed in the course of the story.

Spoiler for Here. Suddenly Madoka is a Josei:
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Old 2011-01-17, 06:55   Link #1113
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@panzerfan: You forgot to factor "The End of The World As We Know It" outcome in the Josei part.
Spoiler for Madoka is a josei, cont'd:


@CrowKenobi: Actually that's what i've been doing, haha. Madoka eats about 75% of my download quota.
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Old 2011-01-17, 07:50   Link #1114
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@panzerfan
I like your idea.
Gee this series might be a lot well written than we originally thought. Even seemingly non-important side stories like that can plays into the implication of the overall tone.
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Old 2011-01-17, 08:22   Link #1115
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@scr and Jeroz:

It is almost cynical to paraphrase Kyubey. Mami less so. When I started to look more into this word substitution, it just appeared to me that Kyubey does not seem to be that of the sage, as one would expect from a furry little friend.

Spoiler for example...:


If we look at it by this replacement, one starts to seriously review the state of affair in the relative weight that Mami might actually play. The epicenter of everything that has happened and will be discussed seem to fall squarely on Kyubey... for the moment. In addition, some tangible longterm benefits do exist for Mami to cultivate Madoka and Mika, as it starts to seem unlikely that one would invest so significantly for short-term gains on the part of Mami. What benefits they might be would be the domain of the speculation thread.


Mentar and scr pointed out something that I have to iterate, in the Pyramid Scheme of obtaining wishes. This I think I am going to put over speculation thread.
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Old 2011-01-17, 12:00   Link #1116
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I think that Madoka and Sayaka are both generally good-natured and well-intentioned. However, we haven't seen them have to deal with a significant moral quandary yet, so this is admittedly going on a "first impressions" basis.
For the most part I agree, but I have to say I have some serious Spidey-sense of impending doom around Sayaka, and that's not just because she's the Red-Shirt on the team.

Her surprisingly mature introspection about who might really 'deserve' to have any wish granted, and her unexpected awareness of how lucky she is... well I just don't expect that out of a middle school girl. The stereotypical fluffy girl in these shows is supposed to be selfish, entitled and shallow (the kinda girl who grows up to be like /are parodied by Pany and Stocking).

The only reason I can think for Sayaka to be so aware is that she's been exposed to some tragedy and misfortune in her life. Those quick flashes of scenes of people suffering in hospitals (or at least that's the impression I got from them) seemed out of place even for SHAFT as an abstract description of her musings. My bet is that they are some kind of flashback or even some suffering close relation in the present day that for some reason she's keeping secret. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sayaka eventually buy into the kind of dark and exploitative Magical Girl cannibalism pyramid we're speculating about - not for her own sake, but for the sake of some selfless wish.

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I seriously think of Junko as another way to look into the issue of the blessing/curse at this moment, for both cases revolve around being asked of pursuit of happiness relative to the price to be paid, with the mother implicit and the daughter explicitly asked. We the audience would not be foreign to the stakes involved in corporate infighting, where right and wrong in the moral sense is relative and the very goal of the participants abstract.
I thought the same thing when I saw this scene. Much like Bakamonogatari, I don't think there's anything that's throwaway or irrelevant. Every detail is considered and has some significance, even if it just provides another perspective on the theme rather than advancing the plot (one of the reasons I was so sensitized to the flashing imagery during Sayaka's musings).

Even the mother's complex makeup application sequence can seen as having parallels to the Magical Girl's transformation sequence. It's also notable that there are no meaningful males in the series...
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Old 2011-01-17, 12:17   Link #1117
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Well, mostly I just find it harder to check for new posts when the series I'm interested are divided up into subforums rather than consolidated, but I do think there's a phenomenon in which discussion slows down a bit in subforums.
Same here. I've never been fond of subforums. Discussions are easier to follow when everything's kept in one thread.
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Old 2011-01-17, 14:28   Link #1118
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It's also notable that there are no meaningful males in the series...
Better watch out for Madoka's father and the "bean counter" that her mother was talking about..
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Old 2011-01-17, 21:14   Link #1119
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@Voinic:
Indeed. Fear the bean counters.

Normally, the head of the accounting department is very crucial a position for the company, for s/he has the ability to gauge the lifeblood of the corporation, which is the balance and the flow of capital. If the accounting head gains sufficient knowledge outside of his/her jurisdiction, one would be able to connect the dots awfully fast, in understanding the relationship of the clients, the suppliers and the shareholders for the company.

Accounting and operations are separate partly to act as a safeguard against any single officer from acquiring too great a picture. Normally, inter-departmental politics would ensnare the officers as to ensure that they cannot take a step back and look at the results from outside their department. Unfortunately, as stated by the late Peter Drucker, results are from the outside, so if one is caught in the web of internal operations of his or her domain, the said manager will not achieve this level of higher understanding of corporate matter, nor would he or she continue the climb up the corporate ladder.
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Old 2011-01-17, 23:52   Link #1120
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Kyuubey might just be a completely neutral character in the end. Even though I don't trust its character either.
As was said above already, they may all be various shades of grey. As it seems now, the magical girls are competing for the energy gained from grief seeds. Homura didn't want any more competition from other magical girls over the grief seeds, that why she tried to scare Madoka out of it.

Another possibility is that there are several contractors for magical girls besides Kyuubee. The contractors themselves are neutral (neither good nor evil), and the magical girls from one contractor help each other, but they fight the magical girls from other contractors over the grief seeds. Homura didn't want Madoka to become a magical girl because she has a different contractor and doesn't want another contractor (Kyuubee) become stronger and thus more serious competition for her contractor.
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