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Old 2012-08-29, 20:40   Link #3441
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I thought the God Child said that Organics always lose against Synthetics?

So what are we afraid of? It is a forgone conclusion that the new threat will all be killed off. How hard can it be? The God Child said so, he can't be wrong, right?
Leviathans created intelligence (Catalyst or God Child whatever you prefer), so this is a similar situation as synthetics and organics. The difference is that Leviathans are feared by the Reapers. Synthetics in those other wars or rebellions do not fear their creators, so this is a different situation. Leviathans are proven killers of Reapers.
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Old 2012-08-29, 21:42   Link #3442
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It sounds like Reapers are really just diluted synthetic versions of the Leviathans.
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Old 2012-08-29, 21:50   Link #3443
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It sounds like Reapers are really just diluted synthetic versions of the Leviathans.
Actually they are, especially the diluted part. Harbinger is the first "True" Reaper and probably the largest and strongest among them, was made from Leviathans. Not sure if you can consider Leviathans more advance because they seem arrogant, but they consider themselves to be. Leviathans say they are more advance and the most Apex organics to have ever lived and been around longer than the Reapers. I myself consider them more powerful than the Reapers, I think only Harbinger can give them a problem.
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Old 2012-08-29, 22:49   Link #3444
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The Leviathans apparently are benevolent dictators in the rule. They enslaved pretty much any race they came across, but protected them and cared for them while they had them enthralled. Better than the Protheans, I suppose...
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Old 2012-08-29, 23:02   Link #3445
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The Leviathans apparently are benevolent dictators in the rule. They enslaved pretty much any race they came across, but protected them and cared for them while they had them enthralled. Better than the Protheans, I suppose...
I just don't see the point. ME3 has already told us that wanting the power of rights, self determination and freedom is abhorrent. That genocide is acceptable, and that it is perfectly fine to take orders from big scary people in order to survive. So why even fight the Leviathan?

The Shepard who told the Reapers to get lost is already dead. He got the refusal ending. The other Shepards would not oppose Leviathan rule.
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Old 2012-08-29, 23:16   Link #3446
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Yr preachin' to the converted, Vallen.
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Old 2012-08-30, 05:14   Link #3447
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So this DLC changes nothing. They really should have made Refuse offer a chance of victory, instead they had to stick it to the fans one last time.
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Old 2012-08-30, 05:36   Link #3448
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So they invented a more powerful Reaper version? ... //facepalm. What the hell is Bioware doing?
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Old 2012-08-30, 07:05   Link #3449
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So they invented a more powerful Reaper version? ... //facepalm. What the hell is Bioware doing?
The original vision of the ME universe was already abandoned. So there is no surprise that now there is difficulty in attempting to extend it. In a world that doesn't make sense anymore, there is no way to create a new enemy sensibly.
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Old 2012-08-30, 07:18   Link #3450
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The original vision of the ME universe was already abandoned. So there is no surprise that now there is difficulty in attempting to extend it. In a world that doesn't make sense anymore, there is no way to create a new enemy sensibly.
Well, it made SOME sense, whichever of the 4 endings you picked. Adding a more powerful villain because they wrote themselves into a corner of galactic peace by the grace of God at this point is retarded and further degrades whatever value the Reapers still had. Usually you either abandon the setting altogether or just create villains from inside the known settings. Seriously, not every being born afterwards must be altruistic and without vice, nor will the interests of races (or semi-races if you picked Synthesis) never collide again. You can't play the "God villains" card more than once.
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Old 2012-08-30, 07:21   Link #3451
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So they invented a more powerful Reaper version? ... //facepalm. What the hell is Bioware doing?
I don't think so, I think they were trying to show what the Reapers were modeled from.
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Old 2012-08-30, 07:24   Link #3452
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I don't think so, I think they were trying to show what the Reapers were modeled from.
And in so doing, they created a more powerful villain than the supposed godlike Reapers... eeeh...
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Old 2012-08-30, 07:38   Link #3453
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Suppose some comical value in just seeing how bad this can all get. It's just silly at this point. How much sadder can the Reapers get?
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So this DLC changes nothing. They really should have made Refuse offer a chance of victory, instead they had to stick it to the fans one last time.
That probably would have been best. Show this massive fleet you've assembled off.
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Old 2012-08-30, 14:03   Link #3454
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... Okay, not sure how I feel about this. It just feels like... a reset to me. Like the studio went "Oh crap, we sorta kinda destroyed how mysterious the reapers are... so let's introduce these guys who are just as mysterious, but organic, and imply they're going to claim back their empire!"

It's kinda interesting I guess, but I would have liked it more if it had a bit more impact on the whole. Also, pointing out that Harbinger is the first reaper just makes the lack of Harbinger in ME3 even worse.
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Old 2012-08-30, 14:11   Link #3455
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I don't think they are making Leviathans as the next villain. Not sure how they are going to create Mass Effect 4 if they are basing on that.
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Old 2012-09-19, 02:53   Link #3456
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Looks like we are getting more DLC for Mass Effect 3, for the next 6 months it seems. More multiplayer content a few more single player stories, one called Omega which is probably the retake Omega DLC that most people were talking about wanting and apparently another full game. I'm not sure if they meant new entry to the Mass Effect series or entirely new game of it's own.

http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2012/09/...e-dlc-and.html
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Old 2012-09-19, 05:35   Link #3457
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I think more people just want to see their Shepard alive at the end and given a happy ending. It sucks how all the endings were basically, how do you wanna die and never see the fruits of your labors?

Bioware would have made a killing if they just released a DLC that gave Shepard and his/her squad closure and a happy ending.
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Old 2012-09-19, 05:48   Link #3458
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I think you're right

I came into ME3 knowing the stakes, and knowing that Shepard would most likely die

So it's not an issue for me, but some want a happy closure.

I reject the idea of another DLC, though.
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Old 2012-09-19, 07:03   Link #3459
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Judging by what we got from Leviathan, I'd buy more DLC like it, myself - I miss Omega.
Also, a post-game story-driven one would be just intriguing enough, for me.
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Old 2012-09-19, 07:10   Link #3460
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I think more people just want to see their Shepard alive at the end and given a happy ending. It sucks how all the endings were basically, how do you wanna die and never see the fruits of your labors?

Bioware would have made a killing if they just released a DLC that gave Shepard and his/her squad closure and a happy ending.
At the very least that is not my issue.

My issue is that the ending completely invalidates the Quarian/Geth war. Regardless of what Shepard does, he is told that the Quarians are the one in the right and that he has no say in it.

Shepard lost his dignity in the ME3 ending. He wasn't even allowed to die on his own terms, at least not until the refuse ending was inserted. The ME3 ending suggest that the universe is better off if Shepard died on Eden Prime.
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