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Old 2010-12-13, 18:55   Link #81
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Don't really know what to say but will this affect many older titles ? What will happen to Shoten , Sunrise Studios, Crossovers & Fans Worldwide
Well then look like a job for Golgo (or Solid Snake) , & this below link for more news on the opposition
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...ordinance-bill
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Old 2010-12-13, 19:04   Link #82
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Think of the children.... Ugh. Apparently, that's an invincible excuse that lets laws screw people ever. If they don't like you, you're obviously a threat to the children!

Or perhaps we should leave the raising of children to umm.... parents. Nah, that's too simple. Also, I'm sure the ability of at least teenagers to think for themselves to some degree involving entertainment always gets ignored.
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Old 2010-12-13, 19:10   Link #83
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Think of the children.... Ugh. Apparently, that's an invincible excuse that lets laws screw people ever. If they don't like you, you're obviously a threat to the children!

Or perhaps we should leave the raising of children to umm.... parents. Nah, that's too simple. Also, I'm sure the ability of at least teenagers to think for themselves to some degree involving entertainment always gets ignored.
I think people like Shintaro Ishihara & Soccer Moms who go through 30 packs a day are the one who have to kill Glorious Things like Looney Tunes & Toonami, I say we regulate those kinds of people & put em on an Island & watch the fun begin
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Old 2010-12-13, 19:21   Link #84
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A serious question - would Tegami Bachi be out under this provision because Lag dressed as a girl in the last episode? I suppose I already know the answer - depends on whether some scumbag in Ishihara's office (or the King Scumbag himself) decides to enforce it. Sad fact is, when there's no rhyme or reason as to when a law will be enforced the corporations that control the creative process will err on the side of taking no chances. I hope you like vanilla, because that's what you're going to get.

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Old 2010-12-13, 19:26   Link #85
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Its vaguely worded... which means it is a poor law which can be selectively enforced. Make enough laws and everyone is a criminal....

Actually, I"m interested in seeing if we can light fire to the idea of adapting Ishihara's works into manga or anime... if anyone has contacts or participates on forums in Japan, spread this idea around. A splashy revelation that Ishihara is full of shit and writes "rape-murder-underage" porn would be a beautiful thing.
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Old 2010-12-13, 19:31   Link #86
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Its vaguely worded... which means it is a poor law which can be selectively enforced. Make enough laws and everyone is a criminal....
I'm not gonna state where i heard this from ,
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Old 2010-12-13, 19:36   Link #87
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Guys, this is a bill, it is not a law, it will be revised. Also, if some anime weren't pushing the boundaries this wouldn't exist. Things like YnS, Ladies and Butlers etc. come into mind. I think that this bill would probably be revised in a form that is fair and acceptable to all parties concerned.

Lets not go doomsaying just because a bill like this exists, the anime studios themselves need to prove this guy wrong by lessening sexual innuendos and be more creative, prove that anime doesn't need fetish to work. Anime will move on, authors just have to be more creative and less relying on old things that make money. Also, once the economy takes a hit, it'll cost this guy's seat.

I'll be frank and say that this is a bad bill to begin with, but I'm not going here posting like its the end of the world. I'm posting here like I've been right all the time, stupid fanservice needs to stop in order for anime to be good again. Seriously, titles that trickle your mind would not exist anymore because of 'moe' and storylines that just sell the characters, not the story. Want an anime to get money? just slap in service scenes and go. I think this has pushed some people to consider this bill right. This fanservice overload in anime just has to stop. Either create something more creative that doesn't rely on flesh to sell or this industry will die.

Even if the bill didn't exist, mainstream adoption of anime will get even lower if we continue to show titles like YnS, Ladies and Butlers, and the like. because people on the mainstream will not tend to go where these titles point them to and if more studios are forced to use fanservice as their main weapon because of titles like them, then the more justified this zealot is.

In the end of the day, It's more of adapting more than anything. It's not the end. It's merely a call for material to adapt. It's also a call for the big players to expand overseas and get stories from other cultures, animate them and distribute it in Tokyo.

We could all spread a wildfire proclaiming that this guy in parliament is a modern Tojo bent on revenge against japan's american conquerors. But this doesn't warrant anything. We should accept the fact that anime has gone too far with what they can show, that we somehow deserve this for letting material stoop to this level.
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Old 2010-12-13, 19:38   Link #88
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I was with you up until it turned into a doomsday prophecy of a different sort.
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Old 2010-12-13, 19:40   Link #89
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I was with you up until it turned into a doomsday prophecy of a different sort.
No I'm not telling it's a doomsday. I'm saying that people are treating this like a doomsday. It's just a signal for creators to clean up their act and look for something more creative.
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Old 2010-12-13, 19:44   Link #90
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What is "more creative", though? That's something that's going to vary from person to person.
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Old 2010-12-13, 19:46   Link #91
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What is "more creative", though? That's something that's going to vary from person to person.
It is going to vary. That's how the industry would recover from this. Because 'more creative' will vary from person to person, it would mean that different authors can go around this restriction and create more stuff off of it.

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Old 2010-12-13, 19:50   Link #92
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I will agree that the most fun part of limits is working around them, and perhaps I should've said this from the start. The "anti-fanservice/moe/third thing" slant of the mini rant kind of rubbed me the wrong way. It was similar to the threads that pop up from time to time and seemed like it belonged in another thread.
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Old 2010-12-13, 19:52   Link #93
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Your view, to me, reads as a manifesto of the old argument - "Rather than let you choose what not to watch, I'm going to choose what you can and cannot watch". Sorry - the bill (and it's true, it has not officially passed into law yet) may or may not be doomsday for the industry, but justifying it by saying the industry needs to be censored doesn't cut it for me. This bill isn't about protecting anyone - it's about settling personal scores and scoring political points. I'm no fan of fan-service animes with no plot, but such content in service of a good story doesn't deserve to be preemptively censored.
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Old 2010-12-13, 19:55   Link #94
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Guys, this is a bill, it is not a law, it will be revised. Also, if some anime weren't pushing the boundaries this wouldn't exist. Things like YnS, Ladies and Butlers etc. come into mind. I think that this bill would probably be revised in a form that is fair and acceptable to all parties concerned.
Pushing the boundaries is still in the boundaries, is it not? Besides, it's not like these shows are airing at 3:00pm or anything. It's more likely to air at 3:00am, and often on special pay-only channels. Parents' fault if their kids are watching that. Remember, just because you can pop onto any random torrent site and find stuff with ease whenever you want doesn't mean the average child in Japan can do the same with their TV.

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Lets not go doomsaying just because a bill like this exists, the anime studios themselves need to prove this guy wrong by lessening sexual innuendos and be more creative, prove that anime doesn't need fetish to work.
Yeah, let's change an entire industry overnight! That's completely feasible.

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I'm posting here like I've been right all the time, stupid fanservice needs to stop in order for anime to be good again. Seriously, titles that trickle your mind would not exist anymore because of 'moe' and storylines that just sell the characters, not the story. Want an anime to get money? just slap in service scenes and go.
Nothing stopped companies from making non-fanservice series before. If they were that good, and sold that well, then they'd have kept making them. And some did. Others did not. If no fanservice doesn't sell, then guess what? It still won't. It's not going to magically sell well just because there's less panties in other shows.

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Either create something more creative that doesn't rely on flesh to sell or this industry will die.
Whether an industry lives or dies is determined by the consumers. If the consumers want fanservice, that's what they get. If they want fanservice and they don't get it, guess what? They won't spend money. If they don't spend money, the industry dies.

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Even if the bill didn't exist, mainstream adoption of anime will get even lower if we continue to show titles like YnS, Ladies and Butlers, and the like. because people on the mainstream will not tend to go where these titles point them to and if more studios are forced to use fanservice as their main weapon because of titles like them, then the more justified this zealot is.
There's plenty of non-fanservice anime. TV stations aren't exactly gobbling anime up like it's prime realty or anything. You seem to be a bit dillusional.

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It's also a call for the big players to expand overseas and get stories from other cultures, animate them and distribute it in Tokyo.
See how well Romance of the Three Kingdoms' anime adaptation has done? That story's actually popular in Japan, and it's flopping worse than a flounder. People don't want random stories from other places, let alone ones that are actually popular.
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It's because it's rampant now, things that promote rather than alienate these things are rampant within the industry.

It's like this, you can have an anime about brotherly love, but you can't have a yaoi-filled anime just to promote 'brotherly love'. You have to portray that brotherly love has limits.
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Old 2010-12-13, 19:59   Link #96
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Guys, this is a bill, it is not a law, it will be revised. Also, if some anime weren't pushing the boundaries this wouldn't exist. Things like YnS, Ladies and Butlers etc. come into mind. I think that this bill would probably be revised in a form that is fair and acceptable to all parties concerned.

Lets not go doomsaying just because a bill like this exists, the anime studios themselves need to prove this guy wrong by lessening sexual innuendos and be more creative, prove that anime doesn't need fetish to work. Anime will move on, authors just have to be more creative and less relying on old things that make money. Also, once the economy takes a hit, it'll cost this guy's seat.

I'll be frank and say that this is a bad bill to begin with, but I'm not going here posting like its the end of the world. I'm posting here like I've been right all the time, stupid fanservice needs to stop in order for anime to be good again. Seriously, titles that trickle your mind would not exist anymore because of 'moe' and storylines that just sell the characters, not the story. Want an anime to get money? just slap in service scenes and go. I think this has pushed some people to consider this bill right. This fanservice overload in anime just has to stop. Either create something more creative that doesn't rely on flesh to sell or this industry will die.

Even if the bill didn't exist, mainstream adoption of anime will get even lower if we continue to show titles like YnS, Ladies and Butlers, and the like. because people on the mainstream will not tend to go where these titles point them to and if more studios are forced to use fanservice as their main weapon because of titles like them, then the more justified this zealot is.

In the end of the day, It's more of adapting more than anything. It's not the end. It's merely a call for material to adapt. It's also a call for the big players to expand overseas and get stories from other cultures, animate them and distribute it in Tokyo.

We could all spread a wildfire proclaiming that this guy in parliament is a modern Tojo bent on revenge against japan's american conquerors. But this doesn't warrant anything. We should accept the fact that anime has gone too far with what they can show, that we somehow deserve this for letting material stoop to this level.
but... I like fanservice and moe...

and btw, zealots are never justified. they're always in the wrong to begin with. otherwise, they wouldn't be called 'zealots'.
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Old 2010-12-13, 20:00   Link #97
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Yeah, let's change an entire industry overnight! That's completely feasible.
That is just short-sighted. A change begins in a moment.
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Nothing stopped companies from making non-fanservice series before. If they were that good, and sold that well, then they'd have kept making them. And some did. Others did not. If no fanservice doesn't sell, then guess what? It still won't. It's not going to magically sell well just because there's less panties in other shows.
Which is why the term was, more on the story... not on the flesh.

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Whether an industry lives or dies is determined by the consumers. If the consumers want fanservice, that's what they get. If they want fanservice and they don't get it, guess what? They won't spend money. If they don't spend money, the industry dies.
So we'd just be proving what this vindictive politician is advocating. That anime is powered by pedos who want to get everything they want by buying them. Why not combat him with some spine and show him that it isn't like this?

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and btw, zealots are never justified. they're always in the wrong to begin with. otherwise, they wouldn't be called 'zealots'.
Zealots can be percieved as right though. If we still stoop to this quality of less storytelling, more moe. we will.
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Old 2010-12-13, 20:02   Link #98
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You have to portray that brotherly love has limits.
Why exactly? If people want to see two brothers going at it give it to them.
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That anime is powered by pedos who want to get everything they want by buying them.
You're starting to sound like you agree with him. I might be reading it wrong, but that's the impression you're giving.
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Old 2010-12-13, 20:05   Link #100
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So we'd just be proving what this vindictive politician is advocating. That anime is powered by pedos who want to get everything they want by buying them. Why not combat him with some spine and show him that it isn't like this?
wrong! we're talking of 2D here, you cannot be pedo with 2d. it's not even real.
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