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The Macross Universe - Analysis and Discussion
[ Please use this thread to discuss and analyze the setting of the Macross Universe. Possible topics of discussion are (but not limited to):
Human-Zentradi relationship Economic concerns behind the Macross Fleets Astrography Cultural attitudes/differences Social progression of the human race Please also note that, due to the nature of this topic, there will be spoilers from the older Macross works, so new viewers should proceed with caution. Giving away something really imporant (i.e. Minmei turns into a space whale in Flashback 2012!) shouldn't be posted if at all possible; but if they're absolutely necessary, put that information in a spoiler tag, and use a meaningful label. Minor spoilers will be okay (and probably unavoidable as well). - 4Tran] Spoiler Policy
How do the Zentradi afford to live in a capitalist soceity? |
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2008-05-09, 00:37 | Link #2 |
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Like everybody does they have jobs.
Heck this was shown back in Macross where the trio became laudry mat owners. (I think one of them was seeing a bridge bunny. So money for dates are required.) Giant Zentradi back then in construction business. In Macross Frontier farming. The sky is the limit. There are even rock musicians. Though I'd like to see a giant Zentradi lawyer. |
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Do you suppose being able to live as a giant is something of a status symbol? Flaunting your wealth and all that? |
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I just don't see how Zentradis having large bodies would be at all beneficial in a human culture. You say construction work, but building a skycraper is not like building a model house, and machinery would be more reliable than a giant man. That's why it seems likely to me that only wealthy Zentradi could afford to be giants. Being a giant would have no particular advantage over more convinentional means while posing some serious disadvantages, particularly where maintaining a life-style is concerned. |
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2008-05-09, 10:50 | Link #6 |
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Giant Zentradi probably get paid more but have a lot less options on what they can do. For instance the farmer and the giant hippo-cows. It would probably take 3 miclones plus machinery (at least a cattle prod) to herd the hippos. It only takes 1 full size Zentradi to just pick one up and move it.
But being a giant Zentradi singer wouldn't make for a good career unless you're just aiming to be a novelty. In all honestly, this is pure speculation from a good discussion question and should probably moved to a differnt thread. |
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2008-05-09, 13:41 | Link #9 |
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Do we have any idea how they Zentradi fed themselves before being culture shocked?
My other thought is that some Zentradi might have to stay macro sized for health reasons. We know Klan Klien (don't know her actual name) has some genetic deficiency that makes her body child like when microned (micloned?). It wouldn't be a far stretch to say some other Zents might have other genetic defects that make it impossibles for them to live normal lives as microns. |
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Even a micloned zent has the same survivability traits. Imagine what this type of worker is naturally worth in environments mere men cannot go. Thankfully, the human race still has the monopoly on science and culture otherwise the giants would have stomped us flat by now |
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2008-05-09, 13:52 | Link #11 |
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But remmember prior to integration Zentradi thought we were the weird ones being miclones.
Being their size was perfectly normal. Now that we have this thread I have to say that Zentradi has been shown differently across the Macross colony fleets. Macross 7 10% of the population is Zentradi decent with their president a Meltrandi. (Being a war hero must have helped her campaign.) Some giant Zentradi work in the entertainment business. Must be either be historical dramas or B-movies. (Imagine a Zentradi in a Godzilla suit) Macross 7 has one main city residential the others are dedicated specialization shps. Milky highway is an infractructure for travel between ships. Macross 5 had it's entire population composed of micloned Zentradi. Their escort fleet much like the Megaroad 1 were Zentradi warships. Macross Galaxy as Sheryll described has few Zentradi. Zentradi live on other ships on the fleet. Their escort fleet interestingly are Meltrandi warships. Which may explain why she hasn't seen giant Zentradi before. Macross Frontier I must say it must be the most heavily invested fleet ever seen. It is called "Little Earth" with good reason. Locals like San Francisco and Shibuya are reproduced. Has more island ships which can accomodate full sized Zentradi. Probably a higher standard of living than most fleets. Given the level commercial technology it has a very healthy economy. Oh yes I must say cybernetic augmentation being banned on some or most of the human-Zentradi colonial sphere is understandable given the incident at the 30th aniversary armistice on Earth. (Macross Plus) |
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Which begs a question: if they had the technology to reduce normal humans to 1/10 their size, would they go for it? Quote:
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2008-05-09, 16:12 | Link #14 | |
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Now, remember, most, if not an overwhelming number of vessels employed by the UN SPACY are still Zent ships, which were configured to specifically support their size. That, and learning Zent technology was a huge step in increasing the logistics capabilities required for prolonged expeditions into unknown space. Spoiler for End of SDF Macross:
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If it were any other universe, and all other advantages/disadvantages were the same, I doubt that the humans would go for it. Biologically speaking, we're a very conservative species, and there's a lot of natural aversion to modifying our bodies to any great degree. Quote:
It's also illustrative of how very different the various Macross fleets can be; from the two in Macross 7, Galaxy and Frontier. Each one is like a separate nation looking for a place to roost, bound together by a common purpose and culture. Quote:
In addition, A Zentradi vessel that's transformed to micro-sized crew would have much more room to work with, less food and other support requirements, and the crew can access areas that the giants couldn't before.
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2008-05-09, 19:56 | Link #17 |
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Millions of ships? Is it really that many?
Spoiler for End of SDF Macross:
In any case, I'm not really trying to argue that the UN Spacy would reconfiguring and recrewing the Zentradi ships. I'm just pointing out the advantages the Zentradi would have gained if they were micro-sized to begin with.
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2008-05-09, 22:15 | Link #19 |
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i think this isn' t cannon but is around macross 7 time
The Vessels of the UN Spacy Total Vessels = 6440 Class of Ship & Number 0030 - New Macross Class Battle Carrier 0150 - Uraga Class Escort Battle Carrier 0400 - Guantanamo Class Stealth Carrier 1130 - Haruna Class Stealth Cruiser 4515 - Bolognese Class Stealth Frigate 0015 - Sentinel Class Stealth Scout 0100 - Beginhill Class Training Ship 0012 - Neo Nupetiet Vergnitz-bis Class BattleShip 0008 - Quaedol-Magdomilla Command Ship 0014 - Quiltra Queleual Landing Ship 0027 - Thuverl Salan Destroyer 0039 - Tou-Redir Scout Ship
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