2015-06-01, 23:01 | Link #161 | |
Detective
Join Date: Aug 2010
Age: 36
|
Quote:
At least not the final versiions. I personally prefer their other version of Enterprise for example (Seeable on the Blog above too; link below). Enterprise in particular looks more like jrHigh to me while all other Yorktown class carriers look like Last High School year/ Early college years. The other things with them i find rather ironic is that they are all dressed as native americans, given how said people were pretty much screwed over by the colonists. The native American skirts also look a bit out of place if you look at all the other ships they have drawn. My suspicion is that it was done to justify the bows, which are again rather strange with all of them/almost all of them having also having a colt. Said colt is what I would have expected them to launch their planes from btw, given the Americans trigger happy nature That being said, putting Enterprise(not the linked design now) below Zuikaku's fuel tanks/plane storage level (ship design here) kinda surprised me. Especially since the other two carriers (of the same class) are apparently even in that regard. And notably I wasn't even specifically looking there, the difference between the 3 of them is just so obvious that it jumps you right in the eye. Peronsal opinion on it is: Let them launch the planes from their colts and fix enterpise's chest and they'd be perfect. The native amrican skirt just mad eme say 'Oh the irony'. That being said, I almost got a E (haha E, get it?) in Art once so my opinions on art are probably just worth the trash bin anyway. And don't get me wrong here I don't say the Yorktown class carriers look bad (In fact they look pretty good) above is just personal taste/wondering about certain design decisions. The other designs, especially the Battleships, yes please!
__________________
Last edited by AC-Phoenix; 2015-06-01 at 23:29. |
|
2015-06-01, 23:56 | Link #162 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
|
I think USN ships can fit into the game if they dont taking AA Queen crown from Maya. Older battleships, scout cruiser, destroyers and subs... lattest Battleship and cruiser is a no. Also ships that have wonky history and part of someone famous history like USS San Jacinto
Theres World of Warship giving 3d models for fans to work with. Only Langley is flat for now but seaplane tender as kai-2 is weird. |
2015-06-02, 01:00 | Link #163 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
|
Quote:
|
|
2015-06-02, 01:51 | Link #164 | ||
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
|
Quote:
But has it occurred to you that the girls are in their World War II state because it was the last major conflict their actual ships were in? Not to mentioned when they were at their "best"? Then there's also the factor that their actual ships were either sunk during the war, or turned into scrap after the war. Aren't those why they were in their WWII state? For the Iowas, they would have the Modernized upgrades (and Iowa would still have only 2 operating turrets) if allowed. Remember that I'm considering their history and the events they were in. And same goes with the Japanese Navy ships involved in World War II. The Iowas survived the War and other major conflicts until they all became Museum ships to this day. As opposed to the Japanese ships that were either sunk during the war, or scrapped after the war. But anyway, it seems that we're getting off topic now. Thanks again for the images of what the Iowa-Class battleships would look like if they were in KanColle, but where's Missouri? There's Iowa, Wisconsin and New Jersey, so where's Missouri? Quote:
- Yorktown - Intrepid - Hornet - Lexington Because those are the surviving WWII carriers of the Essex-class to this day. Last edited by DarkJak2050; 2015-06-02 at 02:09. |
||
2015-06-02, 02:08 | Link #165 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Republic of California
Age: 47
|
Missouri? Still being worked up. (the artist is still active. The last one was USS Maryland)
Note that Yukikaze didn't sink. She lasted until 1970 when she was scrapped after running aground after a major storm. Yukikaze is not in her final form. She's in her Imperial Japanse Navy form with her original armaments. She's not been converted yet to her Taiwan Navy specification with Allied weapons. She fought in the 1950s a little as flagship. As for images and upgrades...there is always the space battleship route:
__________________
|
2015-06-02, 02:16 | Link #166 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
|
Quote:
Those or I forgot the factor of being "transferred" to another country's Navy. Then again, it seems that's all the more reason she's in her WWII state. Because that's the last major conflict she was in while sailing the Japanese flag before being "transferred". |
|
2015-06-02, 02:27 | Link #167 | ||
Detective
Join Date: Aug 2010
Age: 36
|
Quote:
Slightly, which is one of the reasons why I will let Kongou and Kirishima answer everything about Iowa's post WWII equipment and Kancolle: Author + Translations: https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1961374?tags=Iowa Quote:
Alternetively you can read the arpeggio of Blue steel manga, she might just appear there sooner or later.
__________________
Last edited by AC-Phoenix; 2015-06-02 at 02:38. |
||
2015-06-02, 02:46 | Link #168 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
|
Quote:
But they would still be some of the "newest" battleships at the time. And they should be thankful for aircraft carriers; because they practically cancelled the construction of the Montana-class battleships. They were supposed to suped-up versions of the Iowas, with the intent of countering Yamato. The designs were done, the US Navy got the approval to construct them but their keels were not even laid. If those were constructed and hit the water... Uh-oh. But as for Missouri, I wouldn't be surprised if it has something to do with her involvement in officially ending WWII. Last edited by DarkJak2050; 2015-06-02 at 03:13. |
|
2015-06-02, 03:14 | Link #169 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Republic of California
Age: 47
|
The Montanas were more an upgraded version of the South Dakota-class that the Iowas.
I did find in my older files this version of Tirpitz though: I probably got it off 4chan years ago.
__________________
|
2015-06-02, 03:34 | Link #170 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2011
|
Quote:
You think Missouri will be done? Out of the 4 Iowas, she's practically the most famous. |
|
2015-06-02, 04:30 | Link #171 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Republic of California
Age: 47
|
By Jeanex? Probably. Seems to mostly be focusing on early warship first. Ship involved in 1942.
Montana was designed to take on larger treaty battleships without needing to worry about the Panama Canal. The US Navy did not know how large Yamato was, nor how larger her guns were until after the war was over. Even when she was sunk the Americans thought she was armed with 16 inch guns like the Nagatos. They had found out she was bigger than expected already, but by then the Montanas had been cancelled. I don't recall the Americans having even seen Yamato before Montana was cancelled.
__________________
|
2015-06-02, 05:22 | Link #172 |
NYAAAAHAAANNNNN~
Join Date: Nov 2007
Age: 35
|
In the modern age of aircraft carriers, Yamato's concept is pretty much outdated.
Shells are not missiles, against moving and turning targets means that heavy long-ranged cannons need the power of modern FCS to calculate and predict fire-trajectories, rather than the rounds adjusting themselves to suit the changes made by the enemy captain. Besides, the ability to fire shells over long distances is an over-exaggeration, at long distances pressure dynamics and the inertia generated by the mass of the shell would have flung the shot greatly off course by the time the flight path stabilises. Katori was sunk by Iowa only when the latter closed the distance and is able to aim and fire with little to no lag time. Also, the Iowa could have almost matched Yamato in firepower with little to no accuracy differences over long ranges. The Montana is an overkill.
__________________
|
2015-06-02, 05:27 | Link #173 |
Some say I'm the Reverse
Join Date: Jul 2006
|
Likewise, aircraft carriers are starting to be less effective. While they carry a large number of aircraft and firepower, carriers are primarily very large and vulnerable without an accompanying fleet of destroyers, frigates, submarines and obviously it's own air wing. Without all the rest of the fleet a Carrier's an easy target.
__________________
|
2015-06-02, 05:57 | Link #174 | |
NYAAAAHAAANNNNN~
Join Date: Nov 2007
Age: 35
|
Quote:
And then there are Special Forces (mostly SEALs, but expect GB/Delta, AFSOC CAC/Weathermen and PJs, maybe even spooks) numbering up to a (half-)platoon size, forming up a mini TF when necessary given their combined expertises. And when needed, they can call Washington to bring in up to 2,500 crazies from the 75th Ranger Regiment in 18 hours. Not discounting the madmen already on the LHA/Ds. With air support and the ground troops, they can act as a sledgehammer to take over anything in their fleet area of operations until relieved by the rest of the US Army (Airborne > Army Corps, etc). P.S Can I get a mod to shift this conversation set to the historical discussion thread? Thanks. (MOD EDIT: You're welcome. )
__________________
Last edited by CrowKenobi; 2015-06-02 at 19:30. |
|
2016-10-26, 15:58 | Link #175 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Republic of California
Age: 47
|
Something odd I found while looking through an old Jane's Fighting Ships from 1945. Listed as one of the remaining Japanese ship was a carrier called Hayataka. Her sistership, Hitaka had been lost earlier in the war. This is Junyo, and her sister Hiyo.
Of course the old English translation also give us the special type destroyer "Hubuki" also know at the "main character". (Fubuki) Sixth Destroyer Division is : Akatuki, Ikaduti, Inaduma, and Hibiki.
__________________
|
2016-10-26, 20:39 | Link #176 | |
物語は、もう、おしまい……?
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In the Horizon
Age: 43
|
Quote:
This happened with Shoukaku as well ("Kakeduru").
__________________
|
|
2016-10-26, 20:50 | Link #177 | |
Secret Society BLANKET
Graphic Designer
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: 3 times the passion of normal flamenco
|
Quote:
It's disingenuous to say that a carrier is useless without its accompanying air wing, since that's like saying that a battleship is useless without its ammunition: it's a statement of fact, but not really something encountered in a practical sense in a combat scenario. And a battleship also requires just as many escorts to handle the threats that it can't effectively fight itself such as aircraft and subs, which are handled by its escorts. Carriers in fact are only going to become more effective as more advanced aircraft and missile systems are developed, hence why you see modern navies trying to catch up to the US in acquiring carriers of their own, rather than going back to building big-gun battleships.
__________________
|
|
2016-10-26, 21:15 | Link #178 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Republic of California
Age: 47
|
The current problem the US Navy has is power limitations for electricity generation. Modern technology require a lot of power as the ships get more and more computers. Add to this the lasers and railguns in development, and you have some really hungry ships. While the nuclear powers ships can produce a lot of power, the older ones lack something. Either a large enough power generator, or their wiring is insufficient for the loads needed. The recently commissioned USS Zumwalt. and the new Ford-class carriers should have the power requirements for the new weapon systems, and the Fords will have their decks designed the handle the engine blasts of things like the F-35C.
__________________
|
2016-10-27, 03:26 | Link #179 | ||
Detective
Join Date: Aug 2010
Age: 36
|
Quote:
I also read about a proposal to add armor around Vital parts of some destroyer classes. Quote:
Nevertheless in a scenario such as Kancolle where battleships can literally sneak up on ships the Battleship would be vastly superior. In actual real life combat scenarios though not so.
__________________
|
||
|
|