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Perfect 10 | 28 | 32.18% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 33 | 37.93% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 14.94% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 6.90% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 3.45% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 2.30% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 2.30% | |
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2015-01-30, 03:29 | Link #201 | |
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I say this first because I've talked with a lot of people, who had expectation they were normal kids just thrown into war. This raise a lot of problem, such as understanding the characters and relating to their actions. A/Z likes to leave a lot of hints, instead of telling directly. To start of, Asseylum. She's an idealist, who is kind, and trusting. She believes war is caused by hatred, and therefore to make peace is to undo the hatred. Her father, Gilzeria, led many martians to war to their deaths without accomplishing anything, and she grew up without a father figure in the shadow of his sins. This, and her good nature, readily explains why she takes acts of war personally, and prone to risk her life to stop it. However she is not too naive; she expected she will have opponents and spies from within Vers opposing her. She also approach everyone cautiously, as shown how she pulverized Inaho initially. Her downfall; she mistakenly underestimated the amount of opponents she has, and that hatred is the only thing driving this war. Slaine, is a pure hearted honest person. His situation is more readily understood as owing his life to Asseylum after she saves him, thus earning his affection. Slaine dotes Asseylums ideas of peace. Since his father died, he grew up in torture and discrimination, forming a strong outer shell while strengthening his feelings for Asseylum. This where Slaine differs from normal kids, where Shinji (benchmark for realistically normal teenager) would cry and angst, Slaine is a hardened survivor with explosive feelings and an unstoppable will. His mistake; his view of the world is too narrow. Inaho, is born gifted. From the get-go he is not a normal kid. He grew up with only his sister, having to survive without parents forces the kids to mature earlier. As a result we get a serious, independent and hard working smart kid. His outlook in life is more mature, so his real age should be more like 20. His mistake; he distances himself from emotions, becoming borderline psycopath. It makes him an effective soldier, but cause him to misunderstand Slaine, and his notion of risks and morality is too stiff. The other characters, they're mostly normal people, thus why people find Marito more relatable than our protagonists. |
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2015-01-30, 06:04 | Link #202 |
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^ That is a vary good point and a good description fo the main characters. I think it seems to often that people think that the "best" wat to do things are they way they think it should/expect. I actually like that the show doesn't feel overly predictable.
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2015-01-30, 11:27 | Link #203 | ||||
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*slaps forehead* Doh! How could I have forgotten that event! *hides in embarassment*
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2015-01-31, 09:21 | Link #204 | |
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In any case what differs in our visions is not the characters per se, but their position and dynamics within the show. About Slaine I'm not sure if we disagree, since our take on him is pretty similar, but then within the show I think that S1-Slaine was meant to be considered untrustworthy from Inaho point of view exactly because his vision was too narrowed and was too focused on the Princess. The whole argument between Inaho and Slaine ultimately was about that. When Slaine fired to Inaho that was the last clue that led Inaho to consider Slaine his enemy. And not vice versa by the way. Inaho wouldn't have never put Asseylum in danger without her agreement, and even then he would and had done everything he could to protect her. As in fact he always did. It's not by chance that everything Slaine did in season one went wrong and now that he grew up things are going accordingly. Despite my doubts I can see Inaho and Slaine having an agreement of sort now that Slaine grew up. Before it was not possible. Speaking of Inaho, yes, he is not a normal kid, he is real mature to the point to be quite cynical, he somehow seems to be the personification of the Earth side as a whole. And in fact that's why he did what he did back then, because he was detached, what he did was the best choice on the economy of the war, but was a bad thing if we look at it from a more interpersonal point of view. Won't comment about Marito since, well, he has always been the least interesting character for me.
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2015-02-01, 21:09 | Link #205 | ||||
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Slaine can want to kill Saazbaum for the emotional reason of revenge, but also be motivated by a logical reason of "he's a potential threat to Asseylum as he did try to kill her before". There's no contradiction in both reasons being motivating factors for Slaine. I'm inclined to think that both reasons were factors for him. Quote:
If Inaho thought that Rayet remained a serious threat to Asseylum, it wouldn't make much sense for him to pick up for her like he did. Inaho likely made the judgement call that with a bit of guidance and help and supervision, Rayet would cease to be a threat to Asseylum. Now, keep in mind that Slaine has no way to provide such supervision over Saazbaum, because Saazbaum was the guy calling the shots. Rayet, in sharp contrast, can be locked away and carefully monitored and evaluated in order to minimize, if not outright negate, any threat she may pose to Asseylum. And IIRC, Rayet was in fact locked away in the immediate aftermath of her attempt to kill Asseylum. Quote:
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So I think that Slaine has been loyal to Asseylum the person, though clearly not loyal to Asseylum's ideals.
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2015-02-02, 00:30 | Link #206 | |
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Slaine has essentially taken it as his duty to protect Asseylum. This is why Slaine killed Saazbaum when he is no longer needed for having injured Asseylum. Only now Slaine gets to eat his cake and still have it too as he sympathizes with Saazbaum's cause. So while Slaine may not have meant it as a betrayal on the person of Asseylum, the role that he has relative to her and his own self-appointed mission make that moment of weakness, in effect, a betrayal on her royal person. |
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2015-02-02, 17:17 | Link #207 | |||
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So going by the sort of official servitude/loyalty you're talking about here, one could argue that Slaine was in fact doing exactly what he should be doing in trying to save both Saazbaum and Asseylum. In other words, I don't think your argument here applies due to the overall circumstances at the time. Quote:
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2015-02-02, 18:22 | Link #209 | |
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I'm less when he later used his image against her ideals. One thing is hoping to accomplish something, another is to use her (or whoever) against her own beliefs. If I had to use the word betrayal of the person, that is when he crossed the line. Despite you can say he used only her ideals, that was much more than that. He/they are putting the sins of the war on her, and despite it is not her doing the burden that it brings still remain. People have, are and will kill other people in the name of racial hate where that name coincide to her own name.
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Sure, but it's not like the Emperor never had a chance to hear Slaine's version of things. The Emperor did get to hear that. So the Emperor made his decision even after hearing Slaine's take on things. Slaine did his part to try to set the Emperor straight, and the Emperor still made the decision to continue/renew hostilities against Earth. One could argue that as a servant to the royals, Slaine should respect that decision.
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2015-02-02, 23:44 | Link #212 |
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All of these people seriously need to die... I was hoping the tornado Gundam would kill them, but unfortunately it didn't happen.
Sister has death flags written all over her... and so does the drunkard/drama queen guy. Both seem like irrelevant characters that could be erased without affecting the plot much. Next we need to erase the school girls, because school girls piloting a military ship is just ridiculous. The final scene would have Inaho and Slaine fighting each other into a bloody end. When Slaine finally pops Inaho in the head, he succumbs to the wounds from Inaho. Asseylum wakes up, sees what she did, and falls to her knees in disbelief. Lemrina sneaks up behind her and caps her in the head. |
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2015-02-03, 06:02 | Link #214 | ||
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How would you feel if someone had used you to incite the events happened in Paris not a while ago and now you'd be the image of that war, of that persons and that ideals? Quote:
That's why it's more like as of now he is saving her body but not her person. It may be change later; he probably will stop using her now that Saazbaum is dead, but that's how it is, IMO obviously. If you look at the OP, it also seems to imply that, Slaine is looking at a comatose Asseylum, a body, but the Asseylum moving and crying is the one behind him, out of his reach, and when he tries to turn to her she vanishes.
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2015-12-25, 10:30 | Link #215 |
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Aldnoah.Zero XV. Pivoting Trap
The last two previous episodes I discussed on Inaho, but this one the spotlight was casted on Slaine.
As I've started to notice, I'm realizing the ongoing shift in Aldnoah second season from sci-fi, mecha, and action to ground on the political implications designed and imbued in the storyline. In summary, episode fifteenth to me begins to mark a decisive turnaround in the story to be filled more with political content and discourse, than just relying to the tell the quintessential story of two worlds/nations/factions at war against each other, and exploring the conflicting tribulations characters from opposite sides face. Now, let me tell you that Count Saazbaum naming Slaine officially as his son heir, reminded greatly of a scene from the 1959 film Benhur. The scene in question when the Roman Consul Quinto Arrios declares Juda Benhur his heir long after saving the former's life; the analogy being at Juda Benhur had been slave beforehand serving in Quinto Arrios ship, just like formerly was treated as such a slave before rising through ranks due to mix of his loyalty towards Princess Allusia and political machinations. |
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