2020-01-27, 10:05 | Link #21 |
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Does anyone mind expanding on why they thought S2 was horrible? Is that storywise or production wise? I ask because I thought the core of the story itself was fine and I liked it, but I'd like to understand where people are coming from.
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2020-01-27, 10:41 | Link #22 |
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I've marathoned S1 and S2 quite recently, and S2 flaws are actually more glaring in my books compared to 5 years ago.
Let's see if I can give a proper rundown: 1) Visuals: S2 started with sharper designs for the characters. While it looked like an improvement at first, it didn't last long, and you could see some derpy designs quite often (especially after the first third of S2) and a lack of expressions for a lot of characters, even main ones. Fights were also pretty underwhelming most of the cases and they used a lot of tricks to simulate movements. Abyssal Shaft Raid had some intense things going on, but the animation wasn't exactly up to par, whereas S1 had better rendition be it on larger scale (Goblin King return raid), or smaller scale (Rookies against the direwolf, goblins and hopgoblins). 2) Pacing : Putting aside Kanami's adventure taking only 1 episode (instead of 2-3), the problem is how they segmented 3 specifics arcs one after another. S2 started well with Shiroe's initial plan and recruiting William's guild, while we still have scenes from Akiba (the youngsters and Akatsuki). But then, the sequence of events went like that: Royal Guard Lander going rogue (Ep5-8), Abyssal Shaft Raid (Ep9-12), but then that pointless valentine episode (involving that weird love triangle between Shiroe, Akatsuki and Minori), Kanami's, then the kids (ep15-21), The Genius Monsters leading to the Shibuya raid (22-25). While the first main parts were 4 episodes, with 2 "fillers" of 1 episode, we get 7 episodes about the kids going to fetch some materials for their magical bag. Sure, that arc gives you an idea what's going on in Minami with Plant Hwyaden, the problem is that it felt incredibly irrelevant to what Shiroe was accomplishing recently. There were a lot of downtime to boot and there wasn't really any development for them so to speak. This was following Kanami's episode, which felt incredibly weird because you could easily shorten the kids arcs to flesh out Kanami's interlude, OR more stuff about Abyssal Shaft or Shibuya. 3) Character development: this problem might be because of the source material instead of the anime per se, but S2 had some very wonky stuff, especially regarding Akatsuki. The way how her insecurity and romance were handled wasn't particularly great. While her arc was sort of satisfactory by the end of the Royal Guard/Akiba raid arc, Akatsuki's character went back to the statu quo. It didn't look like she really broke her shell in general aside of the "girl power" jokes a bit shoehorned in there. Meanwhile, the kids arc wasn't particularly great either except for Touya's outrage regarding the Odyssey's Knights and Nyanta seriously attempting to kill Mizufa. I personally think S2 did a serviceable job when it comes to Shiroe, be it during Abyssal Shaft raid or Shibuya raid, but aside of that, most characters were pretty much the same as in S1. Sure, not all characters need development whatsoever and a more "organic" storytelling is better anyway, but S2 had also very minimal character interactions to boot. So you had the characters doing "things" because the story dictactes them to do so, instead of being personnaly compelled to do that in comparison to S1.
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2020-04-01, 09:22 | Link #26 |
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https://pf.nhk-ep.co.jp/detail/2269
S3 has been listed for a 12-episode season, which is to be expected from the fact that it's named after volume 12 and may have a sprinkling of volume 11 content for context.
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2020-04-14, 19:25 | Link #28 |
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https://twitter.com/loghorizon_DORT/...85241252429824
Twitter confirmed we'll be getting volume 11 content with the second image, which is a location in the Chinese server.
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2020-04-15, 21:25 | Link #29 |
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Good that we have more additional info for Season 3, but with COVID-19 running rampant in Japan right now, it raises the question; will Log Horizon be pushed back?
Fall 2020 may seem far off right now, but think about the production process taken into making an anime. And the State of Emergency that Japan is under right now. |
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2020-04-16, 18:28 | Link #31 |
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Some unfortunate news: Keiji Fujiwara, who voiced Li Gan/ReGan, passed away a few days ago. Not sure if that'll impact LH or not, but the official DORT twitter posted an in memoriam tweet to honor him: https://twitter.com/loghorizon_DORT/...70838342602754
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However, given that it's the same staff that did Season 2 that are returning for Season 3 and it's been 5-6 years, the only good thing that could happen in that timeframe is if their animation skills improved. Will that actually be the case here? Quote:
Be at Peace, Fujiwara-san. Last edited by DarkJak2050; 2020-04-16 at 23:27. |
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At the end of the day, it probably boils down to how much Kadokawa and/or NHK is willing to invest in the LogHora anime. It may be easy to put the blame for bad animation on a studio but that's not always true. Take Deen for example, they did LogHora S2 and they also gave us Shōwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjū, which is a beautiful piece of work.
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2020-04-17, 21:09 | Link #34 | |
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Where it comes down to it are the time management, the animation staff and their skills. Showa Genrouku Rakugo Shinju is a beautiful piece of work, but was it done by the same staff that did Log Horizon Season 2? No. Both were done by Studio Deen, but that doesn't mean that both were done by the same staff. |
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2020-04-17, 21:28 | Link #35 |
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Log Horizon for me is better than Sword Art Online. I quit SAO middle 3rd season but Log Horizon won't get the same treatment if 3rd season will be released. It's been quite a while since 2nd season was finished, I don't quite understand the delay. Maybe the 2nd season didn't do as well as expected. It's true that it wasn't as good as the 1st, but it wasn't bad by any measure.
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Then there's also the issue of Mamare Touno (author of the Light Novels), getting charged with Tax Evasion that started in 2015. Which hurt the series a lot by hampering Kadokawa and Mamare of officially printing the series, thus taking it "off the map". Because of that, between the Tax Evasion and now, there were only 2 volumes of the Light Novels that were officially printed. Not much in a 5-year span. There was supposed to be another Volume set to be released in September 2019, but that suddenly got yanked with no apparent reason and no further notice on a new release date. Quote:
Example: the first fight against Luseat during the Abyssal Shaft Raid. There were "tricks" or "work arounds" to make some of the parts where the characters were hitting Luseat look animated. But in actuality, they were hardly moving and the overall screenshots were shaking, if not, slowly panning. Not really an ideal way to send the intensity and impact of a fight to the audience. For a better assessment on why Season 2 wasn't as good, read Klashikari's post. Last edited by DarkJak2050; 2020-04-17 at 22:35. |
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Yup. Log Horizon > Overlord > SAO. LE: And certainly better than that anime with God of Games that looked like Rickets from Berserk in his school days ^^', forgot it's name though. 1st season was cool, 2nd was a downer. It's an anime where 2 brothers very well versed in strategy games, boy and girl get trapped in a game world. 1st season got me some chills as talentless humans led by the 2 seem to mount a fierce endeavor against the more powerful/skilled/smarter other races but the 2nd season was a fiasco in my opinion, nothing further from what one would expect after the 1st season. Forgot it's name... damn it. I don't have a list and such, so I rely entirely upon memory.
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Still, as you've said, it's been 5 years. Let's hope for the best here (but keep expectations low just in case :P).
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2020-06-08, 09:27 | Link #40 |
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https://twitter.com/loghorizon_DORT/...34406069661698
Latest tweet from the S3 team says that production on the anime has resumed. No statement on whether the anime will be delayed or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is one when October gets closer. As for the image... Spoiler for Episode Title, Etc.:
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