2016-06-27, 21:32 | Link #261 | |
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Precisely. It's a private company. I was sure it wasn't even specialized in security services but also had other ones.
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2016-06-27, 21:40 | Link #262 | |
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2016-06-27, 21:44 | Link #263 |
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That's not the point. What I'm saying is that Ragna as planet with its own people existed before NUN's fleet got there, so NUNS doesn't have the right to blow up stuff in the planet without authorization from the local government.
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2016-06-28, 02:54 | Link #268 | |
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That said, Heinz is cute and child Roid and Keith were adorable, so I wouldn't mind if the Windermere cast were in fact children. |
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2016-06-28, 11:55 | Link #269 | |
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No, because operational command was with Elysium. And as far as I remember, Ernest could have ordered to stop detonate the bombs because he is one or two ranks above that NUN major. Some higher up had to give the order. Yes because Ragnar was within military operational zone and didn't that NUN Major mentioned something into that direction that NUN is allowed according to their treaties? At the end NUN looks bad because they did not care for friend and foe.
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2016-06-28, 17:05 | Link #270 | |
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I think you just repeated what I said pretty much...
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What is this framework? Laws, policies, treaties, boundaries... etc of the central (NUN) government. If NUNs is authorized to bomb planet A by the NUN and Chaos decided to defend A, Chaos would have in fact, committed treason. They are called dogs of the NUN precisely because Chaos ultimately submits to NUN laws & regulations. Why is that so difficult to articulate? How much freedom do you think PMCs in the real world is given? Only one group within the NUN can get away with serious crap, our lovable Zentradi allies. - Tak
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2016-06-28, 18:20 | Link #271 | |
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Btw. in episode 13 the NUN liaison office was just pretty straight: This is a NUN operation. You have no word in the matter. Without going any further, this NUN officer just lectured Arad, where his place is within chain of command.
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2016-06-28, 19:06 | Link #272 |
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There probably was a meeting where a PR person pointed out what a public relations disaster it would be to try Ranka and the SMS crew for treason after they saved the fleet, made the Vajra go away and got them a free planet to boot.
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2016-06-29, 08:41 | Link #273 | |
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But as always, I'm happy to agree to disagree. Though getting less and less inclined to keep posting here, because of how confrontational this whole 'discussion' has been.
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The intent behind raping and pillaging can vary from case to case. In any event, raping and pillaging are considered very bad because of the harm they visit upon people. And Var visits a similar sort and degree of harm on the people who experience it. Intentional var use can be just as harmful as raping and pillaging are. They're all on the same level.
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From Episode 13... Arad: We're abandoning Ragna! Hayate: We're running away?! Arad: Civilians have been affected by Var. If violence ensues, casualties will be sky-high. We'll suppress the Var with Walkure's singing and bring in as many civilians as possible before we take off. That certainly doesn't sound like "as little loss of life as possible" to me. Windermere is using Var because they wouldn't have a chance of victory otherwise, due to sheer numbers. Quote:
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2016-06-29, 10:40 | Link #275 |
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I've pointed it out before. But as I said, if you don't understand the significance of fold communication, then I doubt you'll share my view on this.
My thoughts on this series aren't set in stone, and I have indicated as much in previous posts, including a long one you didn't respond to. So I can only assume that you're not interested in engaging with what I wrote. ====== Well, I think that's it for me here. What I've seen reminds me of a few other spiteful discussions I've been involved in, and I don't want to be part of another one.
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I vaguely recall you interpreting Windermere's words to mean that something truly terrible was done to them. Your interpretation may well be correct, but even if so, that's still just Windermere's own assessment of things, which may or may not be entirely honest. Even if honest, it may be exaggerated.
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2016-06-29, 17:04 | Link #278 | |
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Although VAR is being used to manipulate the mind it is possible to keep control of it and having the benefit of heightened strength, endurance and reaction time. At the end of establishing Starwind sector. We don't know how many casualties it has caused to civilians. But we know that NUN has caused civilian and also deaths on their own soldiers. Thinking as a member of Chaos I would have more thoughts about NUNS rather than Windermere. NUNS has caused a strong distrust taking damage at the own troops.
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2016-06-29, 17:58 | Link #279 | |
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Here is what is hypocritical of the Aerial Knights. They do not want to die protecting other worlds. They perfectly fine with enslaved soldiers dying for them. These guys are exemplifying the worst traits of the Protoculture and the Protodevlin. |
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2016-06-29, 18:04 | Link #280 | |
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In Marianburg there has been no evidence of having heard said song, Messer never said anything about hearing any song aside from Kaname's and also Keith's manga has clearly stated that Al-Shahal was their first major attack.... Also it is unknown if the apples plus water are the only methods to starting Var.... |
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