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View Poll Results: Suisei no Gargantia - Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 56 | 43.75% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 41 | 32.03% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 22 | 17.19% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 3.91% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.78% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 3 | 2.34% | |
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2013-06-02, 13:25 | Link #21 |
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Bravo, Urobuchi.
How intelligent are the whalesquids? They were once human but has their intelligence regressed over time? Also this makes me think the eugenics aspect of the GA is an alternative to the genetic manipulation of the Evolvers. They need only the best because the best will breed the best and will ensure survival in space. Weak offspring are "disposed of" so that their weak genes don't propagate to future generations. The war not only protects their ideals but it shifts the wheat: the best come back, have kids and create a next generation of fighters. Both sides are pretty scary, imho |
2013-06-02, 13:30 | Link #22 |
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Not totally unnecessary. The Hideauze get to explore space without a Mech/space suit & apparently since they're supposed to last for long stretches of time in space, they may live longer than regular humans too?
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2013-06-02, 13:36 | Link #25 | |
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2013-06-02, 13:38 | Link #27 |
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I seriously doubt the GA does cloning and/or genetic manipulation now because it'd be too close to what the Evolvers did. This isn't just defeat all monsters; this is a friggin holy/race/tribe war against people who gave up their humanity.
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2013-06-02, 13:41 | Link #29 |
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So the Galactic Alliance is the Evolver faction and the Hideauzu are the ones that wanted to leave the rest of humanity behind?
Episode with shocking information. Do Hideauze still have human intelligence and are capable of communication? Maybe the reason earth language was regarded as an ancient language is because they tried to prevent any communication between Hideauze and their soldiers and introduced a new language? Do they even remember why conflict has started? Just wondering, did Ledo kill the brood mother of that nest?
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2013-06-02, 13:42 | Link #30 |
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Great episode after some doldroms in the sea of Gargantia. No foreshadowing of humans ~= whalesquid, so that was quite a shock!
The battle ... the flashback ... the discovery all added up to the tension and intrigueing SF premise that I looked forward to after episode 1. Ledo's "oh noes, don't kill that whalesquid!!!" was a bit interesting of a total reverse course at the end, but it shows he has at least changed some due to the time spent on Gargantia & will consider things himself instead of just believing the official line. I'd have expected him to be a bit more skeptical or need more time to consider whether it was true or not .. but it made a fine cliffhanger ending. This episode raises a ton of questions: Have the space Hideauze lost what it means to be human as much as/more than the Galactic Alliance? They don't seem particularly intelligent, communicative or empathic in episode 1. I suppose they could have bred different classes that have more/less self awareness though. Maybe we are just seeing the battle drones? How intelligent are the Hideauze that are on Earth? If they were human-merged, wouldn't they want to communicate with the peaceful seeming humans left on Earth? (or maybe this was tried and failed and we'll get another flashback for it). The other possibility is that these Hideauze are not human merged & are just intelligent helpers, like the ones shown early in the video. If that is the case, maybe they are around the old lab because it's an ancestral spawning ground. The Hideauze that was crushed at the end though, looked exactly like the one in the video (which it implied was human merged) ... but it didn't seem to try to communicate at all. One would think if it was human merged, it wouldn't just wander into Chamber's range after their whole base was annihilated? Also .. they showed all kinds of Hideauze & clearly stated the Evolvers were into genetic modification, so clearly they continued to change their genetics as they evolved on earth and in space. So ... why did the genetic test come back "identical" for modern space Hideaze vs Whalesquiid?? |
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2013-06-02, 13:52 | Link #33 |
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That's right. Also, am I the only one wondering how that huge Hideauze that Ledo fought was made? I mean, the way Elaine & the other whalesquids looked like compared to it. It has, what look like eggs in it's head?. Speaking of Elaine, why did she still look so human and not squid-like like the rest of the Hideauze and Whale squids.
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2013-06-02, 13:53 | Link #34 | |
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As for why the whalesquids can't communicate with humans, maybe the genetic merger process changed their physiology to such an extent that mutually comprehensible communication between humans and whalesquid are no longer possible? That might also explain why the GA and Hideaze cannot negotiate with one another, because the avenue of communication was so dissimilar. I don't think the squidling that Chamber crushed was a recent merger between a human and a whalesquid. It's shown that the whalesquid go through embryogenesis with distinct vertebrate-like characteristics, so the squidling is just a juvenile whalesquid who has yet to fully acquire the gastropod-like features of an adult. This is actually a point I really like about the episode, to show that even though humans and whalesquids look very different now on the embryonic level things still harken back to a time before the evolutionary lines diverged. |
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2013-06-02, 14:00 | Link #35 | |
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Well, the fact that they breed on the exact same place where the prototype squids were researched, I do not think they are the exact same species as Hidearuze. The squid-girl that got squashed at the end looked just like the prototypes in the videos. The "Whale-Squids" are most likely, IMO, the descendants of the prototypes, created at the laboratory. The Space-squids a.k.a Hideauze are a hybrid of humans and the above creature. Matsumoto was the first of its kind, and obviously highly intelligent and galactically territorial. The whale-squids may have some human genes to make them "adaptive" to humans (since their purpose is to merge with humans to become the Evolvers), but probably lack human intelligence due to them being, well, mostly super-squids gene.
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2013-06-02, 14:01 | Link #37 |
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The conflict between the GA and Hideauze in space probably changed way beyond the original conflict in beliefs. They're also competing for the same resources and they've both lost some of their humanity. In their hate and desire to survive they chased each other across the stars for hundreds of years. On one side they've made themselves alien. On the other they've formed a draconian society fueled by genetic intolerance that would make the Nazis proud. The only "true" humans left are those that live on Earth. They are flawed, technologically backward and trapped into subsistence living but moral and happy. It makes the watcher think about which path for humanity they would choose.
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2013-06-02, 14:03 | Link #38 | |
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