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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 42 | |||
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 1 | 4.00% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 6 | 24.00% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 6 | 24.00% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 8 | 32.00% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 2 | 8.00% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 1 | 4.00% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 1 | 4.00% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 25. You may not vote on this poll |
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2012-07-30, 03:50 | Link #41 | |
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2012-07-30, 04:16 | Link #42 | |
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So no the prisoners dilemma no longer applies. |
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2012-07-30, 04:20 | Link #43 |
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It does, though. By simplifying MAD down to that level, you're misrepresenting the Cold War as genocidal hatred and sheer stupidity, which isn't what it was. You're also either deliberately misunderstanding or dumbing down Ezelcant's goal. If he wanted MAD as you're representing it and claim, then there won't be a "superior enlightened race" to raise from the ashes. There won't be much of an Eden left to inhabit, either.
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2012-07-30, 04:33 | Link #44 | |
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The fact is these people aren't seeking peaceful co-existence - their action is evidence that they merely want peace for THEIR OWN KIND and seek out revenge for the fallen, just like Flit, except at least Flit is being honest about it, whereas you bought the pretty words of all the Vagan characters on screen hook line and sinker. You keep judging Flit on mere words but let the Vagans off the hook with their actions, that itself is already not being objective. Even if you claim they are doing it for the sake of seeking peace is actually true is totally contradictory to their actions (how do you claim to seek peaceful co-existence yet murdering innocent civilians time and time again and still claim righteousness? It's pure hypocrisy). I really don't know how you do it. The fact that you are dodging the question now just shows it is you who are bias and not being objective.
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2012-07-30, 04:51 | Link #45 | |
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In the logic of MAD the second strike or retaliation is to assure the enemy does not win or at least be in a position to dominate. The Vegans are on a path of genocide, as far as they know, invading Earth itself and using a WMD. Cornering the Federation that they have no choice but take the gloves off and consider what Flit has been saying all this time. Yes the Federation has been reluctant to open the Pandora's Box. As nobody might come out alive this time unlike the Colony Nation Wars. Also Ezelcant is aiming for the Last Man. So his goal is to make humanity so horrified of war they'll never dream of it again. Except Earth Sphere already had peace after a great war. He is lashing out on the world for taking his son. |
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2012-07-30, 05:09 | Link #46 | ||||
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That being said, I just want to enjoy my mecha porn without having to see comparisons to the Nazis and criticisms amounting to an intellectual depth of "worst Gundam show ever because it sucks" by people who apparently hate the show so much they waited until the episode count hit the 40s to say it every time I log onto these forums.
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2012-07-30, 06:23 | Link #47 | ||||
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After all these years there is little choice left. Except if the Vagans can be convinced to surrender. Assemu tries to tell Zeheart his boss is insane but he doesn't have proof. Kio tries the Understanding route by force but doesn't realize understanding does not mean one agrees to somebody else's opinion. Quote:
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[quote] And that alone is what's stopping MAD from applying here. The very reason the Cold War never erupted was because both sides were reasonable enough to know that if they opened up Pandora's Box, there was no way to close it back up again. The Colony Wars' outcome was no different from a non-proliferation treaty actually being seen through. If you really wanted your application of MAD and the Cold War to be accurate, the Colony Wars are a better option than current events. The current events of Gundam AGE are what I like to call S^3: sheer synchronized stupidity. Not one party is blameless, and I'm not taking sides with any of them. [quote] The Federation is the only one reasonable or should I say chicken to use WMD until the recent arc. It took 70 years to clean off that idealism made in a hundred years of peace. Quote:
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2012-07-30, 14:59 | Link #50 | ||
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I will direct you to the Milgram Experiment In summary: even good people will follow orders and do bad things. Quote:
I'm not saying Fram is right, because obviously the only person in hte right is Kio, everyone else is wrong. But to fault Fram for not taking Kio's offer is just stupid. 99% of people would have the same reaction as Fram. faulting her for that is just pulling at straws.
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2012-07-30, 15:32 | Link #51 | |
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Heck Germany and Japan's cultural mindsets had to be broken. Now Germany is reluctant to join NATO in actions like Libya. Japan reserves it military for self defense only. Not to mention they became a non-religious society after the emperor Hirohito declard himself not divine. |
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2012-07-30, 15:47 | Link #53 | |
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If that is so Reina has been played much like Londo Mollari of Babylon 5 by Morden. Offering a way of revenge when in fact the one offering is the wrong doer. Also if that is true the authenticity of the recording comes to question. Assemu did spend 13 years hunting down traitors working for Vegans in a extra-legal manner. Something Flit wouldn't have done as does purging legally with ironclad proof. |
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2012-07-30, 16:11 | Link #54 | |
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Many war criminals also made deals with the US and USSR in exchange for their knowledge and expertise.
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2012-07-30, 16:23 | Link #56 | |
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Claiming to be following orders does not mean they are the exception. |
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2012-07-30, 17:00 | Link #57 | ||||
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He hasn't what? How many Vagan did he kill in Gen 1? Because I can tell you it wasn't 0, and not at any single point did Flit view the Vagan as anything other than monsters.
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Here's a bit of advice: You obviously have some education, but it's like you either half-assed it or didn't bother to delve deeply enough into what you were studying. So before you start trying to throw around real world examples, don't make it so easy to pick them apart. If you'd bothered even a little bit to delve into Nazi Germany beyond the basic 10th grade history less, you wouldn't be talking about the Holocaust and death camps and trying to force them onto the Vagan and Ezelcant; you would be saying one word over and over: Lebensraum. Go look it up. Now if you excuse me, I'm going to go talk to people far more pleasant and intelligent than you. *deep breath* That felt good. *waves hand at mod* Do what you want, but that needed to be said. And yes, I have had a bad day; was it that obvious?
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2012-07-30, 17:10 | Link #58 | ||
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As combat doctrines go, the second a civilian grabs a weapon and aims it at a soldier he/she forfeits the right to live and is considered a combatant. When it came down to facing a helpless Vagan Flit couldn't pull the trigger. If he was really into it he would not have hesitated. Quote:
Hell this war isn't about returning to the Earth Sphere to begin with. The Federation on the other hand has been on the defensive and what's the point of using mass destruction weapons on an enemy that you cannot even reach to begin with? Last edited by SoldierOfDarkness; 2012-07-31 at 00:33. |
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2012-07-30, 17:20 | Link #59 |
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I don't think a random sports event has anything to do with loving a country.
That aside, can't we just say "Both sides have reasons for doing what they do and neither side truly deserves to win/lose this? |
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