2019-01-06, 18:20 | Link #61 | |
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The anime is going pretty fast and thats a good thing, it makes the whole situation less cringy and boring. The animation was fine, the VA work was really good too. Personally I don't think the false accusation will lead to a lot of controversy unless the usual leftist SJW gets in here and complaint about it, in fact Naofumi's attitude will be the problem with the series. |
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2019-01-06, 19:16 | Link #62 |
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Is the story really that bad? I thought this was one of the most hyped show of the season so I'm kinda surprised by the recent comments from LN readers. I'll still watch a few more episodes and make up my own mind anyway.
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2019-01-06, 19:27 | Link #63 |
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I would say story is indeed that bad and you are also right it's one of most hyped show of season. That's not mutually exclusive.
Tate Yuusha was pretty much first Isekai that used this outcast underdog narrative, evil backstabbing royalty incompetent/evil heroes and slave waifus. Teenagers loved it so it set one of most commonly used templates when it come to webnovels ever since.
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2019-01-06, 20:31 | Link #65 | ||
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Ironically, most of Meikyuu is about dungeon crawling and leveling, and the slave harem stuff was more SOL interactions and sweet consensual stuff IIRC. Last edited by zztop; 2019-01-06 at 20:47. |
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2019-01-06, 23:09 | Link #66 | |
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My problem with it, apart from how cringy and pointlessly stupid a lot of the "problems" were, is that times of adversity are when heroes are supposed to show their character and Shield Hero folds like a wet paper bag instead. |
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2019-01-06, 23:27 | Link #67 | |
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If it's Naofumi, I recall from the WN that he was forced to pick up the pace in defending the world, especially in training and preparation, because the other 3 were being difficult and self-centred. He was the only capable one IIRC. |
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2019-01-07, 00:06 | Link #68 | |
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Team Shield Hero has to be built on slave labor or sympathetic demi-humans as most humans don't like Shield Hero due to his particular circumstances.
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2019-01-07, 00:31 | Link #69 | |
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2019-01-07, 00:34 | Link #70 |
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Every series is going to have haters. There are plenty of people who disagree, including people who don't care for isekai in general. It's all a matter of taste I guess. Some may feel that some parts are too over-done or not explained well enough, and some may feel that things are emphasized just enough to create a compelling plot. What I can say is that this will definitely be far better than Smartphone and a lot of other recent isekai series (not that I disliked Smartphone, it's quite enjoyable even if it's fairly average). True enough, the other three heroes' initial attitude is a little contrived; I myself don't really understand why all of them were that quick to take the stance they took, though I don't find it terribly difficult to believe that they may take on such a viewpoint after the missing initial shock. And true, the story puts the hero in a very dark place, bad enough that some might feel it's contrived or hard to believe, bad enough that his survival depends on him doing things some may find repugnant (like owning a slave). I'd just say give it a few episodes, a few more than the standard three, and get a real feel for the series before buying into the standard batch of haters.
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2019-01-07, 01:12 | Link #71 |
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Man, maybe they should've changed the name of this from "The Rising of the Shield Hero" to "Everybody hates Shield Hero" .
They cast Matsuoka as Ren because he has dark hair, wields a sword, and mentions VRMMO's (ending in an "Online" title), right? C'mon, you can't tell me that's not the only reason they cast him for Sword Hero . All the heroes coming from alternate versions of Japan was an interesting twist. And did one of them come from a world where Japan won WWII? I kind of feel like it was Ren. I'd just like to point out that Naofumi was the only one of the heroes who was willing to hear out the priests (?) without expecting a reward in return. On-top of establishing prior that he helped his little brother when he was "breaking bad" tells me that Naofumi was not only the most normal of the heroes, especially compared to the rest being more pompous and selfish, but may have had the more pure heart . I kind of get the sense this series is going to explore what defines a hero and how people perceive them and their heroism, especially with our focal hero shunned and vilified while the other heroes get to go on and be treated as one would expect a hero to be. So was Motoyasu in on it? Myne giving him that chainmail the day before was an obvious lie, and Myne didn't strike me as the type who would've physically degraded herself like that for an act to convince him Naofumi raped her. He did seem like a genuine nice guy, or as genuine as the high-handed other heroes can be, but then again so did Myne... I did find it weird that a supposed matriarchy had a king in such a prominent role, but there was a purple-haired woman in some royal regalia in the opening, so maybe she's the queen ? I'm glad the armorer was able to see the truth after he looked in Naofumi's eyes. I guess he could tell in his eyes that Naofumi was a man filled with hate at being unjustly accused and basically convicted for a crime he didn't commit. Although at least he has one person on his side now . Maybe the moral Naofumi will take from all this is that "The One" isn't always the first attractive girl in a mini-skirt who throws herself at you, but the raccoon-girl who you see in your visions and then discover in another world as a slave. Which sounds really weird when I put it like that . A main character who takes on a slave for his own can be pretty tricky, but I feel like they're probably going to re-frame it as Naofumi saving this girl from her bondage by taking her in, even if it's ostensibly for a selfish reason of getting him another body to help him level up.
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2019-01-07, 04:15 | Link #72 |
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Watched the first episode and wow, they sure want to throw shit at Naofumi just because he's the Shield Hero, even as far as accusing him of raping the princes which he didn't commit.
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2019-01-07, 04:52 | Link #73 |
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Well if a woman says a man raped them, and you don't know a single thing about either of them, who do you instinctively believe? Let's be clear, don't answer that as I'm not interested in hearing it. I just want you to think about the first answer that comes into your head from that question.
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2019-01-07, 05:35 | Link #74 | |
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it is not that comparable to what we think in several upcoming episodes, we would see more explanation about the system in the kingdom.. There are several issues about why this case is handled like that |
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2019-01-07, 05:51 | Link #75 |
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Those who know a bit or a lot of the story already may have the answers to many of the questions raised by this Ep01 alone, but that's not the case to those who are coming into this kinda or totally blind about it, so of course they'll discuss stuff that has yet to be answered.
I can easily say that in a matter of episodes the answers will be coming up, but that's up to the newcomers to find out by themselves. They also tend to prefer it that way, as to not detract their enjoyment of the story. |
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Hm. The director seems to have taken the material and slowed it down.
Fundamentally I feel that the framework is actually solid but the way it was used in the source was just poor. If this is going where I think it's going with "creative liberties" then it should actually be a pretty good adaptation. Like others have mentioned the concept and characters are the best part. I'll also add that the world isn't too shabby either. The plot is just not very imaginative in it's presentation, though it does have plenty of good ideas. As for the other details... Everyone seems to be talking about the rape accusation. Personally more annoyed by the NTR event that happened. Secondly, there's the slave thing. Let me just start by saying I honestly am completely insensitive to it in fiction after so many series used it. So don't really care too much if slaves are in a series or not so don't take what I say as being overly negative, That said, I do have some shit to say about it. For one, is Slave Girl Harem and "raising (easily impressionable) girls" now just a characteristic of Isekai? Because it is very very damn common (either one, the other or both). I'm almost surprised when it's not there now. If it's not in the hero party it's something like enemies abusing them like in GS or some kind of psedo slavery though contracts, breeding or "permanent service" (ie. how maids are treated in anime). I find this annoying because this is one of the big reasons in my opinion why isekai tend to have such trashy plot. If not THE biggest reason. Lets just put aside the obvious hentai tease of it all, that's whatever, the biggest problem is that if you have 3-5 of these slave girls you've already bloated the roster, so cant have more characters or have problems when you add more characters. Add to that the fact that they by definition can not have character development in these stories with out the main character "guiding them" and you end up in a situation where you don't have some healthy story with 6-7 characters getting developed, you have 1 character and his 6 female slave appendages. That's just too weak cast wise! In many of these the slew of slaves also makes for boring dialog since it's generally used just for the purpose of making the main character "look smart" by placing a lot of big-boobed legal-age children around him. And I kind don't want to call them foils because even a foil would have their own unique personality traits, which in a lot of cases the slave girls don't. It's really mostly like watching the main character talking with a sock puppet or two (only the sock puppets have boobs and a vigina). I don't want to come off too negative since there are cases where they work fine. In "That time I got reincarnated as a sword" the focus is mostly on the girl, and the main character is more like a interactive narrator, so there it works, even though she's a slave and they do the "master" thing (which people with taste translated to Sword-sensei so as to make it less shitty). And as for why it fails here in particular: (1) he chose her (2) she's clearly weak as shit (3) it's very clear why she's written/designed as is. Tasteful ways this could have been handled: he's forced into a contract, he becomes her slave, he chooses some other useful dude but encounters problems, she has the exact looks of some girl that was kind to him in the past, she's sold to him as a boy, she's actually super ugly, et cetera. Also he has to immediately breaks the slave seal or breaks it after a day or two to get out of creep-land. Really, so many other ways, but it always the weak "this here is totally not my sex slave, she's my lewd daughter that's totally not sexually attracted to me, that's all!" plot. --- Quote:
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Personally I kind of see all MMO-ish anime the same. Think most authors who attempt them are more familiar with the mobile mmo genre (given how popular it is in jp) and less familiar with the desktop version, but lean on the desktop version because it's just easier for the narrative (VRMMOs, mana, bosses etc). Tanks are actually among the weaker classes in mobile games. If it's not hard content nobody likes them.
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2019-01-07, 16:15 | Link #77 | |
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Honestly, the real reason for the tanker class in game being useless even though it seems to be bad game design is to give the other heroes some "reason" to not band together at the kangaroo court. If he was the only tank from a more balanced set of games they would have the choice of siding with him or going out to get slaughtered. |
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2019-01-07, 16:16 | Link #78 | |
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Also, it should be kept in mind that there's also no evidence that he does or would have even the slightest sexual or romantic interests involved in his selection. A guy who'd been accused of sexual violence wouldn't likely be looking for a girl he could "raise" or a girlfriend of any sort. I'd say it's not so much that she was made a slave in order to satisfy some sort of fetish or allow a "raising" story (which again I have not seen), but rather a predictable outcome of the hero's situation and mindset as well as a convenient method to demonstrate the state of the society: what better way to show how little hope or faith he has left than to have him willing to take slaves just for the assurance his comrades can't possibly lie or betray him, and having just about all demi-humans shown as slaves gives a fair idea of the degree of disregard the world has for human rights. Basically, it doesn't feel to me like the world was twisted to give the hero a slave girl, but rather the hero got a slave girl as a natural outcome of the world that was created. |
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2019-01-07, 17:16 | Link #79 | |
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Counter examples: Re:Zero (even tho I hate it) the main character doesn't really have any harem; the show does have contracted girls (the house loli, rem and ram) but they don't belong to main character so guess they doesnt count. Think restaurant in another world doesn't count... probably. Gate doesn't count probably. And pretty sure none of this crap is in Log Horizon if I remember right. Hm. Maybe you're right and it's not very common in anime, or at least wasnt until last year when we got a lot of them.
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