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View Poll Results: Madoka Magica - Episode 07 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 58 | 41.13% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 47 | 33.33% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 23 | 16.31% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 9 | 6.38% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 2.13% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.71% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-02-17, 16:22 | Link #61 | |
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Arguably, the fact that Sayaka is having these issues, is because she recognizes the moral conflict is attempting to work through it. Whether she does, we shall see. She could get through it with the help of Kyoko, or she could become as crazed as Beck. Or she could just end up in the middle and turn cynical like Homura and Kyoko. |
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2011-02-17, 16:27 | Link #62 | |
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It's not too hard to see why people speculate that MG can turn into witches. Soul Gems become dirty, require grief seed, extract darkness into grief seed. Which begs the question to what happens when the Soul Gem crosses the threshold. QB mentions that Grief Seeds who accumulate too much of the darkness have a chance to revive the witch. So I don't see why it is so surprising people are making these connections. |
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2011-02-17, 16:35 | Link #63 | |
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2011-02-17, 16:37 | Link #65 | |
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In any case, things don't look bright for her at all.
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2011-02-17, 16:45 | Link #66 | |
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It is counter-productive to have them fight, but it's not something that Kyube has any power to stop, either. Well, if he had super-strong MG who could step in, that would be one thing; but Madoka doesn't want to do it. As far as grief seed collection, that's just how the magic works in this universe. It makes a certain sense, since it is the essence of guerrilla warfare. You take your enemies weapons and use them, much like you have the hero in an FPS game pick up the weapons that his opponents drop. So Kyube can have his girls continually power themselves by using the magic of the witches. Of course, since we don't know how or why this system got set up, we can't say for sure. But just because the girls have to use grief seeds, doesn't mean there isn't some reason behind it that Kyube is powerless to change. And that seems to be a running theme here; Kyube is essentially powerless to do anything except contract with MG's and store grief seeds. |
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2011-02-17, 17:03 | Link #67 | |
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If it meant letting a couple humans get devoured or killed to allow the familiars to develop into full fledge witches. They're not actively combating witches, but akin to fattening up pigs for the slaughter, which is against QB's so called wishes to protect humanity from witches, yet he doesn't seem to show any problems with this method. It does not actively lower the population of witches, akin to a predator-prey ecosystem, rather enforces a self-preserving cycle. About the magic bit. I'm a bit skeptical and cautious to say that QB uses a witches power to create MG akin to Pandora in Freezing. First it must mean there is a strong connection between witches and MG than we previously thought. It could mean that MG are created from witches, meaning it wouldn't be surprising to say the reverse couldn't happen as well. If you read the Claymore series you'll know what I'm hinting at. |
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2011-02-17, 17:05 | Link #68 | |
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2011-02-17, 17:13 | Link #70 | ||||
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I don't know if this anime is going to have much of a theme or not, but if it does, it might have absolutely nothing to do with idealism vs. cynicism, per se. The theme might simply be that it's better to be careful, cautious, diplomatic, thoughtful, and trying to find peaceful solutions to problems (like Madoka), than it is to be courageous, headstrong, welcoming of conflict, and quick to engage in violent solutions to problems (like Sayaka). That is a separate issue from idealism vs. cynicism, Kaijo, as the two competing positions are both somewhat idealistic. In fact, one could easily argue that Madoka's is the more idealistic and morally cleaner of the two (violence can, of course, be seen as bad in and of itself). So if Madoka is shown to be right all along, and if Sayaka is shown to be wrong all along, then how does that promote cynicism over idealism? Fact is, that it doesn't. Now, as I've stated before, I don't want an intensely idealistic climax for this anime, where Madoka is the ultimate heroine triumphing over an incredibly evil big bad, bringing down a corrupt system with him. But regardless of what I want there, it would hardly be illogical or "bad writing" (in an objective "this doesn't make sense" way) for Urobuchi to go for that. I think it would be a missed opportunity for this anime to go for that, but that's not quite the same as "bad writing", per se. I've read plenty of comic books with idealistic messages, but they were still reasonably well-written. Quote:
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Also, being ineffectual at persuasion doesn't necessarily mean that the point you're trying to make with that persuasion is wrong. In fact, a good way to show that the point being made was correct is to show negative repercussions arising from that point being ignored or dismissed.
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2011-02-17, 17:28 | Link #71 |
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I think that Triple_R is definitely on to something here. Before I really comment indepth, I'll wait for some subs, but the difference in method and approach between Sayaka and Madoka is really very visible. And while I do agree that Sayaka's intentions are fundamentally sound, her pain is blinding her that she's straying more and more from the path she started on.
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2011-02-17, 17:54 | Link #74 | |||||||
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But I suppose there is a blind spot there, as well. Anyone who has anything positive to say about Kyube or Sayaka must automatically be lapping at their feet, eh? I guess I'll sit back and wait for the next person to claim "blind praise" thus showing they don't actually read posts. Quote:
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So while I can call Sayaka a bit hot-headed, it's been shown that Madoka does more things without thinking than Sayaka does; at the least, they might be considered equal in that regard. Sayaka's problem is more that people aren't telling her things. Madoka didn't tell her about Homura, and Kyube didn't tell her fully about the soul gems. If you go into something, and find out later that people didn't tell you things, does that make you reckless and "not thinking things through"? Last thing for this point, is that I would contest needlessly violent. Kyoko made it quite clear that as long as she was around, she was going to let familiars feed on humans. No one has yet answered how they would "negotiate" with that, but even taking the time to negotiate means people will die. I wouldn't want that on my conscience, so if Kyoko wasn't going to yield, I'd smack her up. Do we hold to our beliefs so strongly, that we are willing to let other people pay the price? Quote:
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Well, I will give her the one thing where she stopped Hitomi and the others from suiciding, but that wouldn't have amounted to much if Sayaka hadn't of killed the familiar/witch. If Sayaka hadn't of made her contract, Madoka could have been dead now. |
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2011-02-17, 19:24 | Link #77 |
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It was my understanding he was touching her soul gem, which was out. Do you think Kyoko would let him get close enough to do so? Even if she did because she wasn't sure what he would do, do you think she would stand there and let it happen once she started feeling pain? Why wouldn't he do that to get Homura off his back?
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2011-02-17, 19:32 | Link #78 |
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I was under the impression that what Kyuubei did was more of a demonstration than anything done out of outright malice. Kind of like "this is what you are now, accept it and get on with your duty already!"
That said, it doesn't really help with Sayaka's situation any.
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2011-02-17, 19:34 | Link #79 |
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I just noticed, but Sayaka's body is getting all wrecked in the last scene. Putting aside the fact that she's casting her human self aside and going bat-shit crazy, I was wondering who's going to fix her body. Kyubey said this can be done with magic, but it seems they will need a freaking lot of it to fix that crazy chick....
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2011-02-17, 19:35 | Link #80 | |
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In episode 7, when Sayaka was lashing out at QB about the soul gems, he (to my understanding of Japanese) mentions that neither Mami nor Kyoko were aware of the true nature of the Soul Gems, and maybe the extent of QBs ability to cause cause pain. So in that respect to Kyoko or any of the girls there is no reason for them to be on their guard, being a cute mini-Mephistopheles that he is. Get Homura off his back? Are you talking about her constant attempts to prevent Madoka from making a contract? |
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