2009-01-23, 09:51 | Link #81 |
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Strictly speaking, if Alto strongly believes in "serving his superiors with a self-sacrificing devotion", then why did he reject his father throughout the series?
Of course, this entire point is tangential because Alto doesn't specifically intend on killing Ranka. He's simply making a statement that he will protect Frontier at all costs, even if it means going to a war where Ranka's on the other side. This shows how Alto's matured. He no longer needs to 'play hero' simply to have a reason to pilot. He found that his true reason lies with Frontier, and with the people whom he wishes to protect. |
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Couldn't agree more, Swampstorm. That's something most people don't really notice when criticizing Alto's character: how much he did mature, over the course of the series. I mean, he was not really the same person in the beginning and in the end (at least, up to episode 24).
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2009-01-23, 12:45 | Link #83 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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2009-01-23, 13:18 | Link #85 |
Alto x Ranka :)
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Ah, I'm sorry but my Ranka fanboyism won't allow me to do that The way you feel about Sheryl's character is the same feeling I have towards Ranka's character, we just prefer 2 different sides xD No but seriously, I have my reasons for thinking that Alto still has feelings for Ranka romantically, it's really hard considering we're discussing Kawamori's (and whoever else had a hand at writing the story) plot. This is exactly what he wanted
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2009-01-23, 18:53 | Link #90 | |
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Then again, I still think that if the last episode would have continued 30 more seconds, weīd have gotten our resolution.
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2009-01-23, 19:08 | Link #91 | |
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Kawamori hit the save button and leaned back in his chair, folding his hands behind his head as images of outraged fans with their empty threats on message boards and emails danced through his head. An inconspicuous post-it note on his desk reads "2013" in large red print. He opens a new document and, at loss for a real title, labels it "Macross 30." And that's how my book about this thing would end. |
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In episode one, Alto explains to Luca that he doesn't want to be a commercial pilot because he wants the freedom to fly wherever he chooses. The problem is that this on its own is a frivolous reason to become a military pilot, and Ozma and the others exclude him when he asks to fly alongside them in episode two. Alto uses Ranka as his rationale for joining SMS. It's true that he's simply reaching for an opportunity: deep down, he only cares about flying. But this quickly becomes a sore point for him, as his situation is fundamentally different from his peers, each of whom have a genuine reason to protect Frontier. Michael can see that Alto's reason for joining SMS is just a front, but he assumes that Alto is doing it just to run away from his father. This frames Alto's thinking, leading him to think that if he can overcome his "blood", then he can become a real pilot. Alto's battle with the rebel Zentradi in episode twelve is a reflection of this; when he defiantly rejects the rebel leader's statements about "blood", his true defiance is aimed towards his heritage as an actor. But this victory is a shallow one, and the rest of the story discusses its consequences. Ultimately, Alto finds his place not as an actor, nor as Ranka's hero, but simply as a pilot. One of the key moments in the series comes in episode five, where Alto asks why people sing or fly. While Sheryl's answer seemingly evades the question, it's really the key to the whole situation. Alto doesn't need to have a reason to fly at all: he flies because he wants to, and because he's meant to. With that answer, Alto eventually finds true freedom. Quote:
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2009-01-24, 00:28 | Link #96 |
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Which flashbacks are we talking about in particular? I can only think of one set after Ranka leaves, and it's in the context of why he'll fight to protect Frontier, even if it comes at the cost of having to kill Ranka.
Was there another set that suggested that Alto wanted leave Frontier behind to go after her? |
2009-01-24, 01:41 | Link #97 |
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What are we talking about here? Alto flying because of Ranka? Him protecting her a top priority? It's nothing like that. It's as simple as him having an excuse to go by and live day by day without thinking about the real reason why he jumps into the cockpit of his Messiah everytime an alert is announced. Let's clear this up. Alto's issue in the series starts with his hate for his father and the way he contained him in the world of Kabuto. It was questioned by many why he left his house, especially by Michael who bluntly stated that it was nothing more then running away.
Alto was granted an option of flying but that's where the real problem starts. He inherited his mothers wish but it's realization was nothing like he wanted it to be. It's not like piloting a fighter and fighting for your life can be considered an even exchange for the realization of your dream. The rationalization part is lacking here. It's where a mental excuse to fight for something kicks in. My point is that this excuse to protect Ranka may have been what he used to live as an SMS pilot it was shallow enough to evaporate when faced with a true crisis. It was selfish of him using such an excuse mainly because all it served as was to get him going and continue fighting. It's not a deep and moving declaration of feelings of some sort or anything similar for that matter. The care for Ranka can be found in many other different places.
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As you say it's in the context that he must wage to kill her if the situation forces him to do so. But it does not say that he does not care for her anymore or put his protective instincts for her to the bottom. And also there is no need for him to leave Frontier in order to protect her this is something you do out of your heart with no matter of physical distance. If he was not able to see this himself, than we can be glad that Sheryl asks him to save her even through their (friendly) rivalry.
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2009-01-24, 09:28 | Link #100 |
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The discussion is a bit pointless because:
-Ranka wins in the sense of classic shonen relationship -Sheryl wins in the sense of common world(Alto and Sheryl's actions to each other were more direct and it indicates more that they're a couple in public) -Alto is a professional actor who can easily act even "love". He always does what his enviroment wants from him(almost). So the whole ground is equal somewhat because we totaly uncertain about Alto's feelings...maybe a bit biased to Sheryl because of the later episodes, but it's not so that it's certainly decided. Maybe we can switch from the main romance part... |
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