2008-05-09, 09:43 | Link #101 | |
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HT tis not impossible. For one thing....Kaien's body was taken over. When he died Mestacia died too. Aizen created made him so that he'd return to HM even after death. He was then consumed by Gluntoneria whom had the ability to retain the powers of those he consumed, living or dead. Mestacia had only fused with Kaien's body not soul.<---he is a soul. But they can bleed so maybe they have souls. Since techinally they are spriits but none walk through walls and they can grow from Adulthood. So I see them as not so much as dead rather as beings from and alternate world that. But we can not exist with out the other (Living and the dead.) Glutoneria was able to retain his memories and abilities. (Probably due to the synapses and the brain) But he WAS NOT Kaien, only a facsimile of him. . Technically as Dai-to -kun( <--I meant to type it like that) said. Rukia killed that hollow so he was purified and technically his soul passed on. He entered the reincarnation life-death-birth cycle. Which would account for Kaien's body returning to HM and not his. So if you think about it. Glutoneria only ate Kaien's husk and neither soul was present. Because they had already died. Dai-to-kun. you are only half right. Shinigami purify Hollows of the sins they committed as Hollows. So that they can pass on and rejoin the cycle. Shinigami die. Some believe they turn into spirit particles and become part of SS. But if that were so. "The two worlds are constantly exchanging souls" Would be false. They are reborn in the living world. Hence Kaien could be Ichigo...But I doubt it. Last edited by BleachOD; 2008-05-09 at 15:52. Reason: Read it and the soul part ...I was like wtf when I read it. So I felt like I should elaborate |
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2008-05-09, 14:57 | Link #102 |
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OD, I doubt it too) But there is such posibility) ... I don't think thats even matters. Kaien, first of all, Rukia's past, burden on her soul, that she must overcome. Ichigo - her present, and, i believe, future. If you ask me, there's no need to merge those two existances)))
P.S. "Dai-to-kun"... i like it) it's kina hard to explain what kind of voice i imagine reading this, but i like it)))) |
2008-05-09, 16:55 | Link #103 | ||
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I doubt it because if he were, I don't think # 9 would have appeared in that form. And by now KT would have hinted that, it was so and that's why he is so strong. Or had his own powers. Besides I don't want Ichigo to be anyone but Ichigo. So reincarnation is out Quote:
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2008-05-09, 22:03 | Link #105 | |
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But i don't think their is any connection between ichigo and Kaien
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2008-05-10, 09:30 | Link #106 |
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No shit sherlock's...Your point?
So is Byakuya's dad...But Ichigo pwned him. His greatness lies in being himself. He could still be the son of Isshin and Kaien's reincarnation. He's only 15 and we don't know just how long ago Kaien died. It's not impossible for him to be both. (I just don't want him to be) HT...That's not a spoiler. Only to dubbies... |
2008-05-10, 09:42 | Link #107 |
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Espada 9 specifically said that he IS Kaein, as he consumed his soul. You just want Kaein to be Ichigo. Espada 9 gains his powers by consumption, every soul he eats he gains their memories, personality and powers.
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2008-05-10, 10:36 | Link #108 |
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Now we're getting metaphysical. If you have someone's memories, personality and powers inside of you, does that mean you have their soul too :S? I do rather doubt it, personally. I will say this. If espada 9 had only eaten an empty husk/body, he wouldn't have gained any powers or stuff from it. At least that seems plausible to me. So, when he ate Metastacia, there must still have been something of Kaien in him.
It's almost impossible for us to pin down whether that counts as Kaien's soul or not. The only way we could say that there was something of Kaien's soul there was if we had seen some indication that he was in espada 9 still suffering, or trying to fight his control. Without that, it's just speculation either way. |
2008-05-10, 14:38 | Link #110 |
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Kaien's body is shown in chapter 115 . Its also been mentioned in the past, Ganju remembers Rukia as the shinigami who dragged Kaien's body .Furthermore the body containing Kaien Metastacia disintegrated and regenerated in HM, its clearly mentioned by Espada9 in chapter 267
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They bleed , they have a nervous system...I never seen any walk through walls or people, what do you means they don't have bodies? (I lust after Ichigo..a HOT BOD!) They are simply bodies that exist on another spiritual plane. Quote:
I stand corrected.... Ok so Kaiens body didn't go with Metastacia.. But Metastacia fused with him (And the way he spoke to Rukia you can see he had access to his mind) and took Kaiens memory with him to HM. So #9 wasn't Kaien he was a facsimile of him |
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