2009-06-24, 19:00 | Link #1 |
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Slow/stuttering playback on "decent" system
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2.6 ghz dual core XP 2gb ram 512mb Radeon X1600 pro I've been using the CCCP, and have installed/updated all codecs. I've updated my graphics drivers, Directx, and stopped most non-essential processes. I've been using either zoomplayer or MPC. But, video files which are 720 or most .mkv/mp4 formats always have visual problems. Either the sound starts getting ahead of the video, or the video starts getting choppy. I've already tried adjusting the settings within the haali splitter to increase the buffer, and use frame skipping, but that doesn't seem to solve the problem. I don't care too much about having a crystal clear image, or even seeing it at such a high resolution. But as many fansubs are only supporting these types, I find myself frustrated with continually having to stop the player every 5 minutes or so, go back, and play through a scene piece by piece, or having to miss whole segments of the video. I realize my system is crap by todays standards, but upgrading is not something I can afford. What I would like to know is if there is a way to help solve these playback issues, or if I can somehow degrade the quality so that it can play properly. *edit* I've been looking through some older threads trying to find some answers, and the little that isn't a year or two old, and that I can make sense of doesn't seem to help any. CoreAVC is not freeware, a 14 day trial won't do me any good, so is not a possibility. I've tried using megui to re-encode files at smaller resolutions, with it crapping out as soon as it's done working on the avisynth script due to one error or another (5 hours for a single 30 minute file is also a bit excessive). Tried removing and re-adding CCCP, no help there. As more and more groups are encoding to these higher formats, and only those formats, I find myself wondering simply... "WTF!?". Is there any simple solution that isn't yet another expense I can't afford? Last edited by Vagrant0; 2009-06-25 at 05:51. |
2009-06-25, 17:48 | Link #3 |
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The old versions of ffdshow are not as good in using multiple cores. Try a newer version of ffdshow or a beta of cccp. Open the ffdshow video settings and choose "ffmpeg-mt" as the decoder of "H.264 / AVC" under "codecs" and try again.
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2009-06-25, 20:09 | Link #4 | |
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Tried using msplayer, didn't help any, and seemed to be yet another player to have to jerk around with, so removed it soon after. |
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2009-06-25, 22:45 | Link #6 | |
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DivX, Xvid, Avi, or smaller resolutions are rarely ever a problem. As the problem seems to be more with h264, not sure how a new divx encoder would apply. The problem is that the higher resolutions are requiring more processing than my system can handle... Just so that I can count the number of eyelashes on a character in the background. *Edit* Just reinstalled using the beta, and it's just as bad as when I first started. So that only made it worse, or removed whatever settings I had which were helping. System jumps between 40% and 100% during playback. The only decoder option for h.264 is libavcodec. *Edit2* Installed the Beta again, after FFDshow. ffmpeg-mt is listed, and is used for h.264, but this does not seem to improve anything. And I'm certain that what I am viewing was downloaded properly, and is in this format. Last edited by Vagrant0; 2009-06-26 at 02:36. |
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2009-06-26, 16:24 | Link #7 | |
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Is ffdshow listed in MPC under "filters" when playing a file? Maybe it's using a different decoder. |
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2009-06-26, 23:56 | Link #8 |
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smplayer can play 720p just find in my system, which isn't better than yours. Since this player doesn't use external codecs, and you still could't play correctly, that's mean the problem is not your codecs. Maybe some drivers or hardware issue?
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2009-06-27, 00:02 | Link #9 |
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Tried it, only works for .mkv files, not mp4. Also seems to be much, much worse than anything so far, and half of that is probably because I need to use the DivX player to use those codecs. Used the Yuki sub of Haruhi2 1280x720.h264 to test the .mkv format, synch and skipping is so bad that I could swear I was looking at full color storyboards. It works better in zoomplayer, but the picture still ends up slowing down, pausing, or stuttering, making it rather hard to watch.
It's listed in MPC, the ffdshow icons also appear in the task bar whenever I start playing, so it is being used. Last edited by Vagrant0; 2009-06-27 at 06:48. |
2009-06-29, 01:29 | Link #11 | |
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Even if the divx encoder can be used in other players with h.264 support, it seemed to make things much worse than anything so far, so unless the divx player is a resource hog on its own, won't help any. What you're saying is that I need to either buy a new system, buy coreAVC (since it is the only codec with multithreading), or just avoid all h.264 releases (pretty much everything being made these days) like the plague. Not really the kind of solution I was looking for, there are no other alternatives? *edit* Downloaded and installed the trial of CoreAVC. Double checked to make sure that it is being used and registered properly, but not noticing any improvement. If I pause when it starts going out of synch, wait a few seconds, it looks like it skips some frames to catch up, but still doesn't do it. It also seems to crap out a little sooner than CCCP, using the same files. So your guess is as good as mine. Last edited by Vagrant0; 2009-06-29 at 04:47. |
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2009-06-29, 09:43 | Link #13 | |
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Yes, I don't understand what most of this is, or half of what I am doing... But that is the entire reason why I have even asked. Being condescending doesn't help anyone. Likewise, lying about what is and is not showing up under the list of filters when watching a file also doesn't help anyone. I need help, this is why the thread exists. Things suggested have made changes, but have not solved any of the problems. So how about instead of insulting me, telling me what I need to do. |
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2009-07-01, 13:52 | Link #14 |
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I'm very sorry, but my honest opinion is that your system will NOT play most 720p anime correctly, even with CoreAVC. You should download the SD h264 version where you can, but other then that, there's nothing much you can do. Upgrading you RAM will do nothing, upgrading your video card is useless unless you get a DXVA one, and that will not work on all files anyway. Getting a new system is the only way you're going to watch 720p anime. That's life.
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2009-07-02, 12:17 | Link #15 |
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Sorry but I do not agree with the assessment about his hardware. A dual core P4 2.6GHz will play 720p just fine, especially with CoreAVC. I know because I've tried with a 2x single core 2.66Ghz P4 based Xeons on superslow 266Mhz FSB and RAM. Heck, I can even play 1080p just fine
EDIT: Can you give an example of a file that's giving you problems Last edited by npcomplete; 2009-07-02 at 12:55. |
2009-07-02, 13:59 | Link #17 |
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Well I never had problems with any anime 720p h264 on that machine. I haven't tried the MT version of ffmpeg but I know with the old version I was not even close to doing 1080p. But with CoreAVC, it even plays the 1080p anime encodes fine surprisingly. I haven't tried any other, like huge bitrate BD files though and for those, I assume it wouldn't.
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2009-07-05, 09:43 | Link #18 | |
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I prefer to think that there is just some setting which is fouled up somewhere, or some sort of conflict than to think that people are choosing to use a format which seems, atleast to me, to offer few benefits with much higher requirements. With most .avi files, I can watch them fine while I have a MMO (in shop mode) open in the background (surely I can't be the only one). With these, I can't even watch them properly even if I terminate every non-essential system process, including kasparsky. @npcomplete In testing I was using the Yuki sub of Haruhi2 1280x720.h264 since I've seen it in a lower format previously, and knew what it was supposed to look like. I was using some other older files I had downloaded before as well which are no longer open for sharing. Will be testing out that player you PMed me when I get a chance to let you know if anything has improved. |
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2009-07-08, 00:42 | Link #20 | |
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When playing the larger resolution file, the system was working at around 85-90, with the player using between 50 and 85 or so, with the remainder being used mostly by the idle process. With other players it was capping out at 100, but the image was playing a bit better. |
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