Tokyo Ravens [Light Novel]

[versionf]

Where exactly do Genji and Takiko stand in relation to each other?

The impression I get is that Genji wants to gain control of Yakou, to get more power for himself and manipulate his skills.
Takiko however is more like a deluded extremist, who strongly believes it is her duty as a Souma and a true Syndicate member to bring about this 'great desire'.

Is this true in any way? And who's the dominating one?

PS. How does Takiko controlling Imperial Pallbearers make her special?
Genji doesn't need more power, he was at the very top even before the series started. Genji wants the Tsuchimikado, not specifically Yakou. Even if Harutora wasn't the reincarnation he would still invite him because he's the next family head. Genji believes Tsuchimikado is the rightful lord and wants to make them the ruler of magic community again.

BTW, could any Japanese speakers mind translating this?
I think someone did. Natsume wants to meet Harutora again, she goes back to Tokyo, and finds out the truth of her birth and her friends' current state. Meanwhile Takiko's group is carrying out the plan to realize their wish.

[Iron Maw]

Oh, cool.

Thanks for the translation anyway.

[versionf]

Eh it's not really a translation, I wrote them in my own words. I have trouble forming proper sentence when trying to transalte...

[Iron Maw]

That's perfectly fine. Eitherway, I just wanted to know what it said and you did just that. :)

[Used Can]

It doesn't really say Natsume will be finding the truth about her birth, but "a secret related to her birth".
Whilst both sound similar, and they could ultimately turn out to be mean the same thing, the wording could point out to something else.

[Iron Maw]

Good point, though I think one will lead to other, eventually anyway.

[Kleeyook]

Was Takiko panicking when she heard from Kyouko that Natsume is a girl in LN? She seems to be very shocked in the anime at the end of ep 19. I ask about her reaction before Genji revealed that Yazusumi has a son...

ANd why is she panicked? Well, maybe surprised might be a better word to describe since almost everyone in class besides Kyouko were just surprised, although Kyouko did not take it too well. How surprised was Takiko? Was she freaked out by it?

[Avrorrange]

Was Takiko panicking when she heard from Kyouko that Natsume is a girl in LN? She seems to be very shocked in the anime at the end of ep 19. I ask about her reaction before Genji revealed that Yazusumi has a son...

She panicked.

[Preciize]

Is the anime currently on volume 8 or 9? And what volume will it most likely end on?

And after Harutora's Yakou memories and powers awaken, Kakugyouki and Hishamaru come back to his side, right?

[Iron Maw]

The anime has just finished 8, and it will stop in vol 9 which is the next arc.

Yes to your 2nd question.

[Ken Sanders]

If I remember correctly, Kagami is going to have a taste of Yakotora before Kon/Hishamaru is going to break her seal, then Kakugyouki came later, right?

[Used Can]

And after Harutora's Yakou memories and powers awaken, Kakugyouki and Hishamaru come back to his side, right?
Hishamaru was always by his side as Kon, and she reverted to Hishamaru before Harutora awakened as Yakou. She awakened after Harutora took a slash that was going for her, and fainted after losing his left eye.
Kakugyouki also showed up before Harutora awakened as Yakou.

If I remember correctly, Kagami is going to have a taste of Yakotora before Kon/Hishamaru is going to break her seal, then Kakugyouki came later, right?
No, he fights the unsealed Harutora that has none of his memories as Yakou. Then he fights a Hishamaru that is weakened due to forcefully removing her seals (she's still weakened as of volume 10). He also saw Kakuhyouki who showed up to protect Harutora from Shaver.
By the time Harutora awakened as Yakou, Kagami fled.

[Ken Sanders]

At best, It would be episode 23 in the anime, huh?

Can't wait to see how it's going to turn up.

[Asahi]

Can anyone tell me if Harutora loves Natsume just because he suspected she was Hokuto or he fell for her as Natsume?

[Used Can]

At best, It would be episode 23 in the anime, huh?

Can't wait to see how it's going to turn up.
You mean, Harutora fighting Kagami? Yeah, that should be taking place in ep23.

Can anyone tell me if Harutora loves Natsume just because he suspected she was Hokuto or he fell for her as Natsume?
He showed signs of having a thing for Natsume herself from very early on in the story. This is even more clear in the LN. Go read what has been translated if you want to know.

Also, Hokuto is Natsume. Falling in love with Hokuto is the same as falling for Natsume.

[Zilch_Saber]

No, he fights the unsealed Harutora that has none of his memories as Yakou. Then he fights a Hishamaru that is weakened due to forcefully removing her seals (she's still weakened as of volume 10). He also saw Kakuhyouki who showed up to protect Harutora from Shaver.
By the time Harutora awakened as Yakou, Kagami fled.

Wait!! I thought it's like this:

After the Karasuba incident (which killed Natsume), Harutora awakens (partially), some of his memories as Yakou came back, but the rest are still not because of the other seal which will be remove after Kon/Hishamaru goes back to her original form.

Karasuba incident- 1/3 of the memories
Hishamaru unsealed- 1/2 or all of his memories came back.

[Ougon]

You mean, Harutora fighting Kagami? Yeah, that should be taking place in ep23.


He showed signs of having a thing for Natsume herself from very early on in the story. This is even more clear in the LN. Go read what has been translated if you want to know.

Also, Hokuto is Natsume. Falling in love with Hokuto is the same as falling for Natsume.

Next episode is gonna cover the appearance of Dairenji and et cetera, Kagami should appear during the end part of the next episode or in episode 22.

[Iron Maw]

Wait!! I thought it's like this:

After the Karasuba incident (which killed Natsume), Harutora awakens (partially), some of his memories as Yakou came back, but the rest are still not because of the other seal which will be remove after Kon/Hishamaru goes back to her original form.

Karasuba incident- 1/3 of the memories
Hishamaru unsealed- 1/2 or all of his memories came back.

There no longer a seal or anything on Harutora after the Raven Coat fiasco. His memories just don't comebak immediately, but rather gradually from my understanding. As addendum unlike the other novels vol 9 takes place right after vol 8 and lasts for about a day (until dawn of the next roughly). So it didn't take Harutora very long at all to regain everything.

EDIT:

Next episode is gonna cover the appearance of Dairenji and et cetera, Kagami should appear during the end part of the next episode or in episode 22.
Vol 9 looks like it's going to be covered in 4 episodes. So shouldn't Harutora vs Kagami happen at the end (or second half) of ep 23, after Ohtomo vs Kagami?

[Kleeyook]

Also, Hokuto is Natsume. Falling in love with Hokuto is the same as falling for Natsume.

I don't think so. There were a risk that Hokuto's controller might not be a girl, perhaps an old man much older than him.

^^ Well, the said risk is too low and too creepy though. ^^ :P

[anonfr]

I don't think so. There were a risk that Hokuto's controller might not be a girl, perhaps an old man much older than him.

^^ Well, the said risk is too low and too creepy though. ^^ :P

So, in Harutora's perspective, Hokuto's controller carries the same doubts as random internet chatrooms?

That... oddly sort of makes sense.

[Used Can]

I don't think so. There were a risk that Hokuto's controller might not be a girl, perhaps an old man much older than him.
Sure, but that's irrelevant for the case in hand.
My point is Harutora fell for Hokuto - i.e. the person she is.
Hokuto and Natsume are the same person, thus falling for one means falling for the other one.
Furthermore, as I said, he showed plenty of signs of having a thing for Natsume, beyond just friendship, even before he started considering the possibility that Natsume was the one controlling Hokuto.
There's a reason why he was so intense when he tried explaining the misunderstanding about Suzuka to Natsume, when Suzuka showed up again.

[versionf]

It doesn't really say Natsume will be finding the truth about her birth, but "a secret related to her birth".
Whilst both sound similar, and they could ultimately turn out to be mean the same thing, the wording could point out to something else.
Ah, yeah you're right. My bad.

Vol 9 looks like it's going to be covered in 4 episodes. So shouldn't Harutora vs Kagami happen at the end (or second half) of ep 23, after Ohtomo vs Kagami?

Harutora vs Kagami happened at chapter 5. By appear I think he means when Genji released Kagami to deal with Otomo, that was in chapter 2.

[Ougon]

Ah, yeah you're right. My bad.



Harutora vs Kagami happened at chapter 5. By appear I think he means when Genji released Kagami to deal with Otomo, that was in chapter 2.

Yeah, I was just expanding on that (affirming Used Can), though I wasn't very clear on that... (I was suffering from an immense lack of sleep then)

[BW95]

Next episode is gonna cover the appearance of Dairenji and et cetera, Kagami should appear during the end part of the next episode or in episode 22.

Oh! Oh! Is this the one where Kagami finds out the hard way whether Ohtomo was bluffing about those curses?

[Iron Maw]

Sure, but that's irrelevant for the case in hand.
My point is Harutora fell for Hokuto - i.e. the person she is.
Hokuto and Natsume are the same person, thus falling for one means falling for the other one.
Furthermore, as I said, he showed plenty of signs of having a thing for Natsume, beyond just friendship, even before he started considering the possibility that Natsume was the one controlling Hokuto.
There's a reason why he was so intense when he tried explaining the misunderstanding about Suzuka to Natsume, when Suzuka showed up again.

Not just that, but Natsume would also briefly remind Harutora of Hokuto from time to time in certain situations. Like she responded to him in the 3rd arc where he was desperately apologizing to Natsume and everyone for hiding the truth about Touji.

Ah, yeah you're right. My bad.



Harutora vs Kagami happened at chapter 5. By appear I think he means when Genji released Kagami to deal with Otomo, that was in chapter 2.

Yeah, I was just expanding on that (affirming Used Can), though I wasn't very clear on that... (I was suffering from an immense lack of sleep then)

Thanks for clarifying guys.

Oh! Oh! Is this the one where Kagami finds out the hard way whether Ohtomo was bluffing about those curses?

Hell, I thought he was just bluffing too. :heh:

[Used Can]

Not just that, but Natsume would also briefly remind Harutora of Hokuto from time to time in certain situations. Like she responded to him in the 3rd arc where he was desperately apologizing to Natsume and everyone for hiding the truth about Touji.
Indeed, though I was trying to point out he didn't fall for Natsume just because of Hokuto (be it due to Natsume reminding him of her, or due to realising Natsume was the controller all along), which is why I used the example from volume 4.
He was also flustered when he saw her again in volume 1, and during the scene when she made him her shikigami, he probably had a massive boner.

[Iron Maw]

Ah yeah, I'm trying to support you by say it wouldn't be a real obstacle due to Natsume still sharing those traits, just not outwardly. There also that scenes in volume 2 (Chs 13-14 in the manga) after whole false Hishamaru and Kakugyouki incident where Harutora seemed to be subconsciously falling for her. He's looked kinda of afraid admitting it and had make some excuses for himself from those thoughts. :heh:

[Used Can]

True
Either way, whether Natsume reminded him of Hokuto on some instances is irrelevant, because in the end, Hokuto was Natsume all along - of course, Natsume being more relaxed and playful than usual, but that's still part of her personality (which she couldn't freely show due to a variety of reasons).

Anyhow, I'm hoping 8-bit won't fuck up Miyachi vs D, though I guess I'm better off still having no expectations at all.

[ZeKeR]

regarding Hishamaru.... in a sense.... no seriously...

is she... is... her attitude the same as when she was chibi?

[Ougon]

No, she is more zealous now. :heh:

[XFire]

No, she is more zealous now. :heh:

Error. Use of word "more" in regards to an infinite amount. Does not compute.

[Iron Maw]

Okay, so it's better to say just as zealous. :heh:

BTW, The subtitle for vol 11 is called change:unchange.

[BW95]

Okay, so it's better to say just as zealous. :heh:

BTW, The subtitle for vol 11 is called change:unchange

Methinks this is somehow related to Yakotora's new found personality.

[Iron Maw]

Actually, I think it's about the rest of cast, going by the synopsis (edited a bit).

Natsume wants to meet Harutora again, she goes back to Tokyo, and finds a secret related to her birth and learns about her friends' current state. Meanwhile Takiko's group is carrying out the plan to realize their wish.

Vol 10 only gave us a some interesting vague ideas about them, but not the context about how their situation came about.

[Used Can]

If you want a proper translation for the synopsis (I'll use the one Selidra posted before (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=5024915&postcount=1440), but polish it a bit):

もう一度春虎に会いたい。その想いを胸に、東京へ帰還した夏目。そこで彼女が知るのは、己の出 生にまつわる 秘密と、かつての仲間たちの現状だった。一方、多軌子たちは悲願を達成するべく、計画を進めて いて――
"I want to see Harutora again." Holding that wish inside her heart, Natsume returns to Tokyo. There, she learns a secret related to her birth, as well as the present conditions of her former comrades. At the other end, Takiko's group is pushing forward a plan to realize their greatest wish.

[Iron Maw]

Yeah, that's better. lol

[Ougon]

Error. Use of word "more" in regards to an infinite amount. Does not compute.

Nope she is definitely more zealous as Hishamaru, it's like the thing with 6th dimension and the dimensions above that. :heh:

[Avaricia]

Takiko = Tenma in disguise right?

[anonfr]

Takiko = Tenma in disguise right?

Like Takiko was Tenma all along?

There's a little evidence against that. BUT Takiko certainly could be Tenma sometimes

Like what you're probably referring too. Or maybe its a simple shikigami as tenma, like hokuto.

[BW95]

Like Takiko was Tenma all along?

There's a little evidence against that. BUT Takiko certainly could be Tenma sometimes

Like what you're probably referring too. Or maybe its a simple shikigami as tenma, like hokuto.

No. Remember that Hirata planted a trap on Tenma before.

[anonfr]

No. Remember that Hirata planted a trap on Tenma before.

Why are you telling me No? all capital like. You just listed the "evidence against" I was referring too.
You helped me, don't tell me "No."

[ta2666]

You do realize that no was capitalized because it was the first word in the sentence, right?

[BW95]

And I quoted the wrong post.

[ta2666]

And u probably should have used a comma in stead of starting a new sentence.
Hehehehehehe

[anonfr]

You do realize that no was capitalized because it was the first word in the sentence, right?

Well, " No." With the full stop Made me feel like he was making a point.

[Dragonking]

Alright so I have a question what was up with Kurahashi when she was looking at Tenma and is there something about Tenma that we should know about? Also what happens with the schoolyard gang after Harutora's escape

[BW95]

Alright so I have a question what was up with Kurahashi when she was looking at Tenma and is there something about Tenma that we should know about? Also what happens with the schoolyard gang after Harutora's escape

It was her power-up. She can read stars I think and predict the future.

[tuckersister]

I still think there will be third party antagonist behind the shadow that neither side is aware of. The person will probably be much clever than Yakou.

[sorenman1]

I still.think Yakou's monk friend.is plotting against him.

[Ultraviolet X]

Speculating on furture devolpments for the LN. Alrighty, ill join in for this.

I still.think Yakou's monk friend.is plotting against him.

I imagine alot of people will be. Quite a few people will be trying to make use of him, given who he is and his influence in the shaman community.

I still think there will be third party antagonist behind the shadow that neither side is aware of. The person will probably be much clever than Yakou.

Well, I imagine alot of people will be trying to use yakou, for the most part I doubt they will be much more then side characters though, certainly not to the degree your implying.

The MC is now Natsume, and we have the antagonist being the Omyou Agency, the mystery goal of yakou and why he reincarnated. Not to mention what the fanatics will be up to now yakou is up and about. While we do get some hints on what Yakou/Harutora is after, its not really stated. After all, those things might be the issues Harutora noted and wanted to fix, rather then the reasons Yakou went and reincarnated himself. Theres really no need for something like a hidden, mastermind evil antagonist.

From what happened in volume 10, my gueses towards some of the things he wants to do:

"fixing" Natsumes status (Hybrid)
Doing "something" sbout the Omyou agency (not sure what)

P.S. From now on ill be calling Harutora/Yakou as YakoTora, seems much more easier and appropriate.

[sorenman1]

Speculating on furture devolpments for the LN. Alrighty, ill join in for this.



I imagine alot of people will be. Quite a few people will be trying to make use of him, given who he is and his influence in the shaman community.



Well, I imagine alot of people will be trying to use yakou, for the most part I doubt they will be much more then side characters though, certainly not to the degree your implying.

The MC is now Natsume, and we have the antagonist being the Omyou Agency, the mystery goal of yakou and why he reincarnated. Not to mention what the fanatics will be up to now yakou is up and about. While we do get some hints on what Yakou/Harutora is after, its not really stated. After all, those things might be the issues Harutora noted and wanted to fix, rather then the reasons Yakou went and reincarnated himself. Theres really no need for something like that.

From what happened in volume 10, my gueses towards some of the things he wants to do:

"fixing" Natsumes status (Hybrid)
Doing "something" sbout the Omyou agency (not sure what)

P.S. From now on ill be calling Harutora/Yakou as YakoTora, seems much more easier and appropriate.

You bring up some good points. The key is YakoTora end goal. I imagine he would want to rid of the corruption of the Agency and just rid of magic completely, though that's.my take could be wrong.

[Ultraviolet X]

You bring up some good points. The key is YakoTora end goal. I imagine he would want to rid of the corruption of the Agency and just rid of magic completely, though that's.my take could be wrong.

That was something I thought at first, but after thinking about it, it seems too simple. My thoughts on this is that this is something he added to the list like he did Natsume or he intends to do more then simply wiping out the Agency. I doubt it would be getting rid of magic completly. He seems to value the "traditional" arts.

Maybe changing the agency in a way that the power cant be abused and returning the modern arts back to its old roots? The Agency, or rather Genji currently have a free hand in magic related matters, which led to the abuse of there power. To sum it up, I think he plans to reform the agency and magic in general, like he did before, if thats his main goal.

[tntsgoboom]

Has anyone here read the light novels? If so can someone message me (PLEASE!) and answer two of my questions that would spoil it for others if I asked here in a post. Thank you!

[Breimoon]

this is LIGHT NOVEL section so no need to worry about spoilers..... just ask here

[Iron Maw]

I'm highly amused at the comments in the anime thread regarding Ohtomo and Douman being able take the Agency when he's there. Miyachi gonna cause jaws to drop next episode if budgeted appropriately. :D :heh:

this is LIGHT NOVEL section so no need to worry about spoilers..... just ask here

This.

Put it in spoiler tags if will make you feel better.

[Zilch_Saber]

Has anyone here read the light novels? If so can someone message me (PLEASE!) and answer two of my questions that would spoil it for others if I asked here in a post. Thank you!

Well, why does ask and answer in this thread? It is not an anime thread and most of us already know what is happening until the latest volume of the light novel. So, no one will be spoiled if you post anything or not.

<--- Too sarcastic...Gomenasai

[anonfr]

I'm highly amused at the comments in the anime thread regarding Ohtomo and Douman being able take the Agency when he's there. Miyachi gonna cause jaws to drop next episode if budgeted appropriately. :D :heh:



This.

Put it in spoiler tags if will make you feel better.

Can you please direct me to the post, or general pages it could be around, that fully describe Miyachi and his OPness?

I must've missed it if someone completely described it, but I tried to scour all the pages as much as I could stand to sit still, but after so many shipping questions, arguments, is this person this, does this person do that, and the flood devoted to volume 10, I must've tuned out and missed it again.

It's like Miyachi is an inside joke I'm not part of. Please, help me be one of the cool kids.

[Iron Maw]

That's because their isn't a detailed post, but according to LN readers like verisonf:

Not only he the strongest modern mage, but the only one who can fight Douman on equal ground without any tricks or prep time. All just using his complete mastery of fire spells hence his nick "Fire Demon".

As her where he stands in a Tier list of DGs made by versionf:

Suzuka is better in every way except shikigami. This is based purely on my opinion.

Miyachi > (Yase Doji) Shidou > Amami => (part 1) Otomo = Kogure > Mari > (sealed) Kagami > Yamashiro => (part 1) Suzuka > Miyoshi

Natsume at her best (part 2) is between Yamashiro and Suzuka.

[tntsgoboom]

Oh my mistake I didn't realize. I have a bunch of questions and everything I've tried to look up didn't give me a good enough understanding. So I came here! If any of you can answer any one of these I'd really appreciate it!

If any of you have seen the last two episodes of the anime Natsume died while trying to save harutora after the raven coat started to possess him.

I'm really curious if Natsume is brought back to life with the Taizan Fukun Ritual?

Does Harutora's memories as Yakou Tsuchimikado come back to him? Thereby unlocking his "full potential"?

What is the deal with Tenma Momoe?

What is Takiko Souma really after?

The information on Suzu Saotome is so vague. What is her role exactly?



Also can someone explain the different factions a bit to me as I found it confusing. From what I understand Miyo Kurahashi is the director of Onmyoji Academy and her son is the head of the Onmyo Agency. Does the Onmyo Agency want Harutora to use his powers? Is the Agency working against the Academy.

and what is the difference between the Onmyo Agency and the Twin Horn syndicate?

Thanks for trying to answer any one of these =)

[anonfr]

That's because their isn't a detailed post, but according to LN readers like verisonf:

Not only he the strongest modern mage, but the only one who can fight Douman on equal ground without any tricks or prep time. All just using his complete mastery of fire spells hence his nick "Fire Demon".

As her where he stands in a Tier list of DGs made by versionf:

AHHH that's it then. There was nothing specific to find so I couldn't have found it. I'll really never be one of the cool kids.

Either way, thank you so much. The information is a bit vague, but I more or less understand how impressive he is now. All that's left is to keep the arduous "So how does Miyachi stack up to Yakou" Questions to myself, since I'm sure they've been asked and met with many a sigh.

Oh my mistake I didn't realize. I have a bunch of questions and everything I've tried to look up didn't give me a good enough understanding. So I came here! If any of you can answer any one of these I'd really appreciate it!

If any of you have seen the last two episodes of the anime Natsume died while trying to save harutora after the raven coat started to possess him.

I'm really curious if Natsume is brought back to life with the Taizan Fukun Ritual?

Does Harutora's memories as Yakou Tsuchimikado come back to him? Thereby unlocking his "full potential"?

What is the deal with Tenma Momoe?

What is Takiko Souma really after?

The information on Suzu Saotome is so vague. What is her role exactly?



Also can someone explain the different factions a bit to me as I found it confusing. From what I understand Miyo Kurahashi is the director of Onmyoji Academy and her son is the head of the Onmyo Agency. Does the Onmyo Agency want Harutora to use his powers? Is the Agency working against the Academy.

and what is the difference between the Onmyo Agency and the Twin Horn syndicate?

Thanks for trying to answer any one of these =)

You know most of these questions are answered through the forum multiple times.

But from my scouring I can answer a few.

1. Yes Natsume is brought back, she's up walking around and doing things, even decided to undertake a quest to find her true love. The details of the resurrection are complicated though, but she's back.

2. Tenma is more or less used by a few antagonists a few times. He sort of drops out of the picture that we've seen so far in part 2.

3. Takiko is a miko from the Souma family and she's after basically what she states she's after, to fulfill Yakou's goal. As to what that goal is, it's speculated that it may be world domination via Onmyouji supremacy. Creating a more magically dependent society where Onmyouji can continue to exist and be useful forever.

4. Suzu is mostly a researcher, specializing in Yakou's imperial style magic. She's sort of his follower in an aspect. She more so follows his doctrine and magical thesis and theory instead of any of his specific goals or personal choices. Think of it as an intern looking up to a professor and following his research, instead of a devotee following a cult leader. That's the sort of "Yakou follower" she can be described as being. From what I know she's currently helping Yakoutora with whatever he's up too.

Different factions sort of break down in importance after part 1. The twin horn syndicate and Omnyo Agency are after 2 different things. Omnyo director genji wants to install a Tsuchimikadou "king" as a figurehead for his magically supreme society, Twin Horn basically have followers who blindly worship Yakou, or followers who want to fulfill his "will".

The academy and the agency aren't really for or against eachother, it's different parts of the same system sometimes working for different goals or going in different directions, hence they don't always align in the end game.

Again Genji Kurahashi (SP?) who is the director of Omnyo agency want's a powerful figure head. He wants Harutora more for political purpose than to make him work for him. Apparently Miyachi's enough to have for that.

That's what I know. After 29 pages of spoilers I almost sound like I know what I'm talking about.

Edit* I skipped one. Harutora's Yakou memories do come back. It's akin to someone with Amnesia getting their memories back so its a "slowly but surely process" After he revives Natsume there's a 1 year time skip, and he's speculated to basically be back to his full potential when he is reintroduced, but we're not completely sure. We are more or less sure that he's at least half way there.

[Breimoon]

guys these things were explained a lot of times during these 20 pages. At least TRY to look a few pages before

[Iron Maw]

I'm really curious if Natsume is brought back to life with the Taizan Fukun Ritual?

Yes, but with catches since the ritual was only partially successfully. Even with Yakou's memories he couldn't fully bring her back. Supposely the lack of preparation Shidou mentioned has something to do with it.

Does Harutora's memories as Yakou Tsuchimikado come back to him? Thereby unlocking his "full potential"?

Yes, but not until the very end of vol 9/last episode of the anime.

What is the deal with Tenma Momoe?

He's heir important company known as Witchcraft co. which his ran parents and created standardized familiars that could be used by anyone such as Swallow Wisps. Otherwise he's a friend of Harutora and Touji who caught incident surrounding Natsume and Twin Horn.

What is Takiko Souma really after?

Forfilling a goal of Yakou and the Souma Clan. Said goal hasn't been revealed yet.

The information on Suzu Saotome is so vague. What is her role exactly?

Infamous Yakou researcher and Jin and Zenjirou's old classmate. Used to work for Shidou in the Lingering Spirit Division.

Also can someone explain the different factions a bit to me as I found it confusing. From what I understand Miyo Kurahashi is the director of Onmyoji Academy and her son is the head of the Onmyo Agency. Does the Onmyo Agency want Harutora to use his powers? Is the Agency working against the Academy.

Onmyo Academy is a institution created to train and spread Yakou's magic.

Onmyo Agency is a bureaucratic body that regulates every aspect of magic thoughout the country and primary deals spiritual disasters counter measures. Consist of many sub-divisions, but two are only ever really dealt with in the plot. Those being the Magic Crimes Investigation and Exorcism Bureau.

And rather than saying the Agency wants Harutora, it's Genji and his Twin Horn allies that do.

and what is the difference between the Onmyo Agency and the Twin Horn syndicate?

Twin Horn Syndicate is a secret society/cult of radical Yakou believers who have deified him. They're are currently spit into two factions, (one being Takiko's) but they both aim for Yakou's revival. What they want out of it where they differ.

Thanks for trying to answer any one of these =)

No problem, but you should really check the pages next time.

Edit: anonfr also did pretty well in answering these.

[tntsgoboom]

Thanks so much for answering those questions anonfr and Iron Maw!

[tears on nacume]

Is Kon not counted?
Hello.tell me watch it happened nacume in10volume.i cant buy ranobe in my country(

[anonfr]

Hello.tell me watch it happened nacume in10volume.i cant buy ranobe in my country(

In a nutshell... She's on the run from the Omnyo Agency and looking for Harutora.

If Nacume means Natsume that is, which I think it does.

[DarkDestiny]

I was wondering why Wikipedia was off when it said , but I guess Wikipedia is Wikiepdia. I wish there's an English version of the light novel somewhere in stores.

I still don't know what's the deal with Mr. Ohtomo, but if it's said earlier I'll figure things out.

[anonfr]

I was wondering why Wikipedia was off when it said , but I guess Wikipedia is Wikiepdia. I wish there's an English version of the light novel somewhere in stores.

I still don't know what's the deal with Mr. Ohtomo, but if it's said earlier I'll figure things out.

when it said what? I'm so curious now. WHAT DID WIKIPEDIA SAY

[TsukiKagari]

i am new here , hope we get along

4. Suzu is mostly a researcher, specializing in Yakou's imperial style magic. She's sort of his follower in an aspect. She more so follows his doctrine and magical thesis and theory instead of any of his specific goals or personal choices. Think of it as an intern looking up to a professor and following his research, instead of a devotee following a cult leader. That's the sort of "Yakou follower" she can be described as being. From what I know she's currently helping Yakoutora with whatever he's up too.

dunno why , after read those i only think about "teacher-student , mad scientist , duo combi " =='

[anonfr]

i am new here , hope we get along

dunno why , after read those i only think about "teacher-student , mad scientist , duo combi " =='

Well, maybe it applies. They both have a touch of mad scientist for sure.

[TsukiKagari]

hmm hishamaru gonna have a bad time.
btw, what is suzu role in part 2 ?
i only know from someone that she follows yakotora in vol 10 (dunno right or no)

[Chris38]

Second side story of volume 5 is out on BT :)

[Endscape]

Second side story of volume 5 is out on BT :)

Thanks for pointing it out. :)

That group of delinquents really is funny. :heh:

[Iron Maw]

I was wondering why Wikipedia was off when it said , but I guess Wikipedia is Wikiepdia. I wish there's an English version of the light novel somewhere in stores.

I still don't know what's the deal with Mr. Ohtomo, but if it's said earlier I'll figure things out.

Yeah, I wouldn't trust Wikipedia much here. There a lot out of context spoilers without any documentation of proceeding events prior. That whole page is going to need quite a good deal of clean up and stronger categorization.

[Endscape]

I've been wondering this since the last episode, but the anime has skipped scenes that show Takiko in a more sympathetic light, haven't they?

[Iron Maw]

I know that she that anime skipped a scene with being her more shocked and dumbfounded.

According Ougon later on in vol 9 when she meets Harutora again, Takiko had signs that she been crying throughout night and then some. She tried keep up a mask of indiffference despite that.

[Endscape]

I know that she that anime skipped a scene with being her more shocked and dumbfounded.

According Ougon later on in vol 9 when she meets Harutora again, Takiko had signs that she been crying throughout night and then some. She tried keep up a mask of indiffference despite that.

IIRC, there should have been a scene last episode where Harutora tells Takiko that he can't trust her and to leave them alone if she's going to keep up with the Yakou fanatic thing and she starts crying a little.

With yesterday's episode, during that conversation with Dairenji and Kurahashi, Kurahashi should have asked about Takiko, who they had to put to sleep because she was too emotional about what happened.

[Iron Maw]

Well if that's the case 8 bit could have rearranged the scenes a bit like they done in the past. Think ep 6 where they added vol 2's scene with D and Kakugyouki to the hotel date episode instead in episode 5.

[D4rk]

Hi, sorry if I ask something already been answered but I would like to know some things.
1 - when Harutora power will have its ups and as will be shown in that situation.
2 - The awakening of yakou in Harutora as will influence your personality? will remain Harutora or yakou will possess your body.
3 - phases in its wake that depend? which will come first memories, powers or abilities and how awake.
4 - what price must pay Harutora revive his beloved?.
5 - What is the objective of yashamaru and how strong it is.
6 - Which of the Shikigamis of Harutora is the strongest?? I mean in the story is back stronger and awaken their powers.

apologies if redundant but appreciate your answers

[anonfr]

Hi, sorry if I ask something already been answered but I would like to know some things.
1 - when Harutora power will have its ups and as will be shown in that situation.
2 - The awakening of yakou in Harutora as will influence your personality? will remain Harutora or yakou will possess your body.
3 - phases in its wake that depend? which will come first memories, powers or abilities and how awake.
4 - what price must pay Harutora revive his beloved?.
5 - What is the objective of yashamaru and how strong it is.
6 - Which of the Shikigamis of Harutora is the strongest?? I mean in the story is back stronger and awaken their powers.

apologies if redundant but appreciate your answers

1. Harutora starts to get his abilities back after Hashimaru get's unsealed. We don't really see the extent of it til volume 10.
2. Harutora is more like Yakou with Amnesia. After he gets Yakou's memories back he changes in a way any typical amnesiac would. They're not different personalities, they're the same person in different periods of his life.
3. I'm not so clear on this myself but I read the extent of it isn't really shown. Everything sort of comes back in pieces at a time. No particular order.
4. No price exactly, in laments terms, he fuses Natsume's life force with Hokuto the Dragon and it brings her back. sort of. She's not exactly "alive" but She is back though.
5. Yashamaru's objectives are Takiko's objectives, more or less. He's pretty strong but weaker than say, Miyachi.
6. I don't personally really know which is stronger, they're both pretty strong.

all these answers were already answered on multiple pages. go back a few pages and you'll get more in depth details.

[D4rk]

thank you anonfr

[pyourk]

can someone spoil me the miyachi fight? :D

[anonfr]

can someone spoil me the miyachi fight? :D

Miyachi pwns all. And seriously, the main spoilers are all around page 30.

Plus, the anime is about to cover it.

[Used Can]

2 - The awakening of yakou in Harutora as will influence your personality? will remain Harutora or yakou will possess your body.
3 - phases in its wake that depend? which will come first memories, powers or abilities and how awake.
4 - what price must pay Harutora revive his beloved?
anonfr answered them all, but I'll expand/improve on these ones.

2. As anonfr said, Yakou and Harutora are the same person. However, when Harutora fully awakened as Yakou, his behaviour changed considerably, due to the obvious effect his past memories would have on him. He no longer seems to be the goofy, hot-headed guy he was before his awakening. Now, he's calm, confident and overall relaxed, even when he's in front of a serious situation. Of course, that's by volume 10. When he awakened in volume 9, he was serious and rather aloof - though, that's not odd, since Nastume had died less than one day before, and he had to revive her.
3. His powers came first, as soon as the Raven Coat managed to unseal him properly. However, just "power" meant little without his memories. As for the latter, his memories started sweeping in little by little, again, thanks to the Raven Coat unsealing him. However, his actual awakening didn't take place until a bit later (just some hours after he put on the Raven Coat), during his fight with Kagami.
4. We don't know if he had to pay a price, and if he did, we have no idea what price he has to pay. The Taizan Fukun Ritual he performed to revive Natsume wasn't described, and thus we don't know any details about it, other than the fact he was assisted by Saotome Suzu (we knew this from volume 9), and that he failed at fully reviving Natsume - which is why she needs Hokuto's energy to live (we learned this in volume 10).

[Zilch_Saber]

I am wondering who will be Hishamaru's seiyu! So excited for her debut! :hyper-^v^:

[Iron Maw]

You don't need to wait.

Watch episode 3 again, it's Yuko Kaida. :heh:

Though I still wish Aki Toyosaki was doing the mature voice, Kaida is still good.

[kivredia]

Can only second the excitement for her debut. Been waiting for this from the start, also the fight better not get screwed up.

Soon, very soon.

[Zilch_Saber]

You don't need to wait.

Watch episode 3 again, it's Yuko Kaida. :heh:

Though I still wish Aki Toyosaki was doing the mature voice, Kaida is still good.

Oh! Now that you've mention it! Thank you very much :)

[Zilch_Saber]

Can only second the excitement for her debut. Been waiting for this from the start, also the fight better not get screwed up.

Soon, very soon.

Well from the way they minimize the cg scenes/fighting on the last episode. They might really preparing for the sake of the next episode, which is really cost a lot because of the all out war that will happen.

[Iron Maw]

Can only second the excitement for her debut. Been waiting for this from the start, also the fight better not get screwed up.

Soon, very soon.

Me too. In fact I think the last episode will end this season with bang and be quite heartwarming if adapted well. Even better since it will come after several intense conflicts. :)

[Iron Maw]

Titles for the last 3 episodes:

22:to The Darksky -反撃-
23：to The Darksky -添星-
24：to The Darksky -魂呼-

Any JP speakers mind telling us what they are?

[pampz21]

Do we see Yakoutora next episode and Kon adult version?

[pyourk]

22: counterattack
23: add to the stars???
24: resurrection

[Ultraviolet X]

Do we see Yakoutora next episode and Kon adult version?

No. Harutora doesn't fully regain his memories and Hishamaru doesn't appear untill close to the end of ln 9, still a ways to go before they happen.

[pampz21]

No. Harutora doesnt fully regain his memories and Hishamaru doesnt appear till the end of ln 9, still a ways to go before they happen.

But im pretty sure he's gonna fight reiji in the next episode...or is the next next epissode?

[Ultraviolet X]

But im pretty sure he's gonna fight reiji in the next episode...or is the next next epissode?

Harutora and Kon vs Renji and Shaver doesnt happen untill just before he resurects Natsume at the end, theres plenty of fight scenes to happen before they fight.

[pampz21]

Harutora and Kon vs Renji and Shaver doesnt happen untill just before he resurects Natsume at the end, theres plenty of fight scenes to happen before they fight.

but we end at vol. 9 right?...dont mean we only have 1 episode for the fight?

[Ultraviolet X]

but we end at vol. 9 right?...dont mean we only have 1 episode for the fight?

Sorry for being vague, but im trying to say as little as possible.......as for that, theres still 3 more ep to come out for the ln. They are doing 4 eps for ln 9, only the first has come out. Episode 21 was the start of book 9.

[Ultraviolet X]

but we end at vol. 9 right?...dont mean we only have 1 episode for the fight?

To Further clarify the episodes.

Tokyo Ravens - 01 Promise (Shaman Clan LN 01)
Tokyo Ravens - 02 Confession (Shaman Clan Ln 01)
Tokyo Ravens - 03 Resurrection (Shaman Clan LN 01)
Tokyo Ravens - 04 School (Ravens Nest LN 02)
Tokyo Ravens - 05 Bonds (Ravens Nest LN 02)
Tokyo Ravens - 06 Holiday - Contains end of one Short Story full version of another, both from ln 04, and the end is from ln 02
Tokyo Ravens - 07 Ogre Eater (cHImAirA DanCE LN 03)
Tokyo Ravens - 08 Half-Ogre (cHImAirA DanCE LN 03)
Tokyo Ravens - 09 Purification (cHImAirA DanCE LN 03)
Tokyo Ravens - 10 Prodigy (Girl Return LN 04)
Tokyo Ravens - 11 Tiger - Another Short Story, either from Girl Return or Girl Again, cant rember.
Tokyo Ravens - 12 Love (Girl Again LN 05)
Tokyo Ravens - 13 Priest (Black Shaman ASSAULT LN 06)
Tokyo Ravens - 14 Showdown (Black Shaman ASSAULT LN 06)
Tokyo Ravens - 15 Encounter (_DARKNESS _EMERGE_ LN 07)
Tokyo Ravens - 16 The Divine Fan (_DARKNESS _EMERGE_ LN 07)
Tokyo Ravens - 17 Razor Blade (_DARKNESS _EMERGE_ LN 07)
Tokyo Ravens - 18 Assult (over-cry Ln 08)
Tokyo Ravens - 19 Princess (over-cry LN 08)
Tokyo Ravens - 20 Fireworks (over-cry LN 08)
Tokyo Ravens - 21 Dark Night (to The DarkSky LN 09)

Note: For LN Volumes 4 and 5, over half each ln contains short stories.

Future episodes, all of the following from LN 9: to The DARKSKY
22: counterattack
23: add to the stars???
24: resurrection

Should be clear from the title, ep 24 is when YakoTora resurrects Natsume.

Edit: Also to point out another thing for people who haven't read the LN, Harutora is always refered to as Harutora, even in LN 10.
YakoTora is something started in here to mean the merge of Harutora and Yakou, in short when he gets his memories after the fight with Renji.
Yakou was the person he was before he reincarnated himself, his past self. Harutora is his present self.

Harutora has shown in the novel he considers both Yakou and Harutora "himself", especially in LN 10 with his actions (tearing up over his/Yakou's long dead comrades, nostalgic memories of the temple, regret towards his/Yakou's past actions etc). His condition/situation is like a amnesic person forgetting memories of himself, lives a normal life, then one day wakes up and he has rembered what he has forgotten. (The memories do start to come back slowly after the cloak, but its more like small flashbacks so to speak, it doesn't really change him much untill after the fight with Renji).

However, given the difference (intellect, magic ability, personality, etc) between Harutora before he regained his memories as "Yakou" and after, some people have dubbed him as YakoTora.

[Used Can]

Actually, though in volume 9 he told Hishamaru and Takiko they could call him whatever they wanted, in volume 10 when Jougen referred to him as Yakou, he told him "I go by Harutora now," though I don't recall the explanation why he said that. I think he got tired of old men popping a boner over the name Yakou, or whatever.

[Ultraviolet X]

Actually, though in volume 9 he told Hishamaru and Takiko they could call him whatever they wanted, in volume 10 when Jougen referred to him as Yakou, he told him "I go by Harutora now," though I don't recall the explanation why he said that. I think he got tired of old men popping a boner over the name Yakou, or whatever.

My understanding of that was that he didn't want Jougen to refer to him as "Yakou" because Jougen was trying to recruit him as "Yakou" to use as a figrehead against the agency, and he didn't want any part of that.

[Used Can]

Maybe, but Harutora didn't deny being Yakou. The things he said and the way he's spoke of the past clearly show he wasn't hiding the fact he's Yakou.
He simply told Jougen to call him Harutora.

[Ultraviolet X]

Maybe, but Harutora didn't deny being Yakou. The things he said and the way he's spoke of the past clearly show he wasn't hiding the fact he's Yakou.
He simply told Jougen to call him Harutora.

Yeap, he made quite the argument in his case against being there figurehead. I think getting Jougen to refer to him as "Harutora" was one of his small ways to argue his case that he wasn't interested, and that he wasn't the right person to lead. Well, it could also be as you said, he was sick of being refered to and people trying to use him as Yakou. Of course, I can't be sure unless I reread it.

[versionf]

My understanding of that was that he didn't want Jougen to refer to him as "Yakou" because Jougen was trying to recruit him as "Yakou" to use as a figrehead against the agency, and he didn't want any part of that.

That was at the start of their meeting though, so before Jougen asked him to lead.

[Preciize]

Just watched this week's episode and got a couple questions. If anyone could answer them, it would be much appreciated ^^

1. Why did Gengji assign Kagami to take out Ohtomo? Do they have some history together? Or is Genji just trying to do things stealthily as possible?

2. What happens to Ohtomo? A part of me feels like he's going to die. He seems to be on Harutora's side and is going to do whatever it takes to help him.

3. What was going on with Tenma (that Kyouko noticed)? Is he being controlled or manipulated?

4. What happens to Touji? Curious about this because he's always by Harutora's side and from what I know and read, Harutora is going to separate from them eventually.

[Ultraviolet X]

That was at the start of their meeting though, so before Jougen asked him to lead.

Nice point. I've edited my above post with the clarifaction on Yakou/Harutora/YakoTora.

[Iron Maw]

Ch 22 of the manga is out. I haven't read the LN volume for this arc, but man this chapter further makes it clear how much nuances were missed out from the anime version. I.e like real reason the Onmyo Agency wanted Natsume to participate in the second spiritual terrorism incident. It also seems like strong-arm/manipulative tactics like they did in ep 21 isn't too unusual for them.

And this was one of best adapted arcs... :heh: Still the anime's version isn't too bad.

22: counterattack
23: add to the stars???
24: resurrection

Thanks, BTW episode 24 apparently has the same title as episode 3 "Soul Call' whch is a nice throw back. I've said this before, but vol 9 really does seem like a bookend of sorts to first part of series.

[Iron Maw]

Just watched this week's episode and got a couple questions. If anyone could answer them, it would be much appreciated ^^

1. Why did Gengji assign Kagami to take out Ohtomo? Do they have some history together? Or is Genji just trying to do things stealthily as possible?

Kagami and Ohtomo do a have history together, it was mentioned/implied Kagami might have been a Magic Investigator in 3rd arc of the anime at one point and Ohtomo was his sempai during that time. Kagami also wants to surpass Ohtomo and get him back for those years. This little to do reason why Genji sent him out though, he's put out a "hit" (in a Mob/Yakuza fashion) out on Ohtomo and wants someone wouldn't ask any questions to do it.

2. What happens to Ohtomo? A part of me feels like he's going to die. He seems to be on Harutora's side and is going to do whatever it takes to help him.

3. What was going on with Tenma (that Kyouko noticed)? Is he being controlled or manipulated?

4. What happens to Touji? Curious about this because he's always by Harutora's side and from what I know and read, Harutora is going to separate from them eventually.

Honestly the anime is going to answer all of these questions and more if just wait next week. :heh:

[Ultraviolet X]

Just watched this week's episode and got a couple questions. If anyone could answer them, it would be much appreciated ^^

2. What happens to Ohtomo? A part of me feels like he's going to die. He seems to be on Harutora's side and is going to do whatever it takes to help him.

3. What was going on with Tenma (that Kyouko noticed)? Is he being controlled or manipulated?

4. What happens to Touji? Curious about this because he's always by Harutora's side and from what I know and read, Harutora is going to separate from them eventually.

Volume 10 its just Harutora and his shikigami, as for what his end game is, its not said, some of his goals are hinted at but not directly said. As for how Harutora seperates from the others, or the happens in anime for the next episode, I wont be saying anything, just wait and watch, all I will say is that all the mc cast (Touji, Tenma, Suzuka, Kyoko, Natsume, Harutora) are all alive in Ln 10.

[anonfr]

Kagami and Ohtomo do a have history together, it was mentioned/implied Kagami might have been a Magic Investigator in 3rd arc of the anime at one point and Ohtomo was his sempai during that time. Kagami also wants to surpass Ohtomo and get him back for those years. This little to do reason why Genji sent him out though, he's put out a "hit" (in a Mob/Yakuza fashion) out on Ohtomo and wants someone wouldn't ask any questions to do it.



Honestly the anime is going to answer all of these question and more if just wait next week. :heh:

Most spoilers for volume 9-10 are around page 30 on this forum. Just look around that general page (25-35?)

[Iron Maw]

Eh, not sure what you are getting at, I already know most of spoilers from those volumes. Preciize is asking about Ohtomo and Kagami history and as far I know it hasn't been touch much upon beyond vol 3. In the anime, Ohtomo mentioned how he deliberately dragged him around various crimes scenes or battlefields and some such to get him experience. This was near the end of episode 9 by the way.

[Ougon]

22: counterattack
23: add to the stars???
24: resurrection

22: counterattack
23: add to the stars???
24: resurrection

Slight correction, and addition

23 - Soiboshi - The Room (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_(Chinese_constellation))
24 - Tamayobi - Literally means: Calling back the departed soul.

Sources: By order,

http://www.weblio.jp/content/%E9%AD%82%E5%91%BC
http://www.weblio.jp/content/%E6%B7%BB%E6%98%9F

[pampz21]

Ohh... UltraVX is such an expert here....
Question: So Harutora's memories came after the fight with Reiji do you mean in the middle of the fight or after?...Cuz Iam sure Harutora's ability without his memories isnt good enough to fight with him yet.

[Iron Maw]

@Ougon, Thanks!

Ohh... UltraVX is such an expert here....
Question: So Harutora's memories came after the fight with Reiji do you mean in the middle of the fight or after?...Cuz Iam sure Harutora's ability without his memories isnt good enough to fight with him yet.

IIRC, he actually did pretty well in that fight despite Kagami probably being the stronger one at that point overall. Harutora also recalled some of his spells from his previous life there too, but he doesn't fully get his memories back until the very end of novel.

[Preciize]

Honestly the anime is going to answer all of these questions and more if just wait next week. :heh:

Volume 10 its just Harutora and his shikigami, as for what his end game is, its not said, some of his goals are hinted at but not directly said. As for how Harutora seperates from the others, or the happens in anime for the next episode, I wont be saying anything, just wait and watch, all I will say is that all the mc cast (Touji, Tenma, Suzuka, Kyoko, Natsume, Harutora) are all alive in Ln 10.

Heh, fair enough. I guess I could wait for a couple days. But I thought Harutora leaving and Natsume being revived wouldn't happen until the last episode of the series? Seems like a good way to end imo.

[Iron Maw]

That does happen at the end of this season. :heh:

[Used Can]

Funny, I think volume 11 will be coming out right after the anime ends.
Hopefully, that volume will bring plenty of material for us to talk and speculate about for a while.

[Zilch_Saber]

Heh, fair enough. I guess I could wait for a couple days. But I thought Harutora leaving and Natsume being revived wouldn't happen until the last episode of the series? Seems like a good way to end imo.

The best awesome way of ending an anime adaptation of a light novel series.

Too sad that we could only see YakoTora's cool demeanor and badassness at the last episode (which he already regained all of his memories). Still, hoping for the eyepatch part.

So, is it true that Harutora perform the Taizan Fukun first before fighting Kagami...or he fight Kagami first before the ritual???

It makes me quite confused, since I saw some fan art that YakoTora performing the Taizan Fukun while wearing the eyepatch.

[Iron Maw]

Funny, I think volume 11 will be coming out right after the anime ends.
Hopefully, that volume will bring plenty of material for us to talk and speculate about for a while.

Indeed. I remember how much this thread exploded when vol 10 came out. :heh:

The best awesome way of ending an anime adaptation of a light novel series.

Too sad that we could only see YakoTora's cool demeanor and badassness at the last episode (which he already regained all of his memories). Still, hoping for the eyepatch part.

So, is it true that Harutora perform the Taizan Fukun first before fighting Kagami...or he fight Kagami first before the ritual???

It makes me quite confused, since I saw some fan art that YakoTora performing the Taizan Fukun while wearing the eyepatch.


It went something like this roughly:->Harutora goes to one of Heavenly Altars
->Harutora meets Kagami and they fight, IIRC Suzu's there is getting things ready in meantime
->At one point Kon takes severe damage and is about to be finished off
->Harutora throws off the Raven Coat at last minute (it started to disobey his commands)
->Rushes in and saves Kon in the nick of time taking a hit for her where it results in him losing an eye and some facial disfigurement
->Kon enraged reverts to Hishamaru and fights Kagami
->Kakugyouki later shows up and Kagami retreats
->Harutora becomes Yakoutora (or Piratetora depending on your designation) :p
->Takiko and her two shikigami show up
->Harutora performs the ritual and revives Natsume
->Has heartwarming conversation with her and leaves

[Used Can]

You forgot the part about Harutora awakening fully as Yakou, and him retrieving Natsume's body, haha... Those are important so that the last point you listed can happen.

[Iron Maw]

Ha! Your right. :heh:

I guess my hinged that you already knew that he gotten his memories at some after Kakgyouki arrived. Post edited.

Speaking of which, I wonder what's going to happen when everyone sees Harutora's face? Will Kagami have stay off streets as well as back alleys for the rest his life? :heh:

[m4rc0s]

Tokyo Ravens v.5 c.Story 3 is up

[Zilch_Saber]

Indeed. I remember how much this thread exploded when vol 10 came out. :heh:




It went something like this roughly:->Harutora goes to one of Heavenly Altars
->Harutora meets Kagami and they fight, IIRC Suzu's there is getting things ready in meantime
->At one point Kon takes severe damage and is about to be finished off
->Harutora throws off the Raven Coat at last minute (it started to disobey his commands)
->Rushes in and saves Kon in the nick of time taking a hit for her where it results in him losing an eye and some facial disfigurement
->Kon enraged reverts to Hishamaru and fights Kagami
->Kakugyouki later shows up and Kagami retreats
->Harutora becomes Yakoutora (or Piratetora depending on your designation) :p
->Takiko and her two shikigami show up
->Harutora performs the ritual and revives Natsume
->Has heartwarming conversation with her and leaves



Thanks you so much for that! It really helps me a lot. ;)

[BW95]

Tokyo Ravens v.5 c.Story 3 is up

I'm only halfway through but I think I know what's going on. Can't believe Natsume would try and pull the same trick twice.

[Iron Maw]

I'm only halfway through but I think I know what's going on. Can't believe Natsume would try and pull the same trick twice.

I haven't read it yet, (wanting for the anime to finish before I dive into the rest of the novels), but judging by the title...

This is incident revolved around one of Kon and Natsume's rare catfights (pun fully intended), am I correct? :heh: In the raw manga version of this story Kon's facial and actions were pretty funny. Yeah, I figured the cat was shikigami being control by Natsume (a bit towards the end) too. :p

[Used Can]

Man, the side stories sure are fun. The Kinoshita one and the Nabe one being my two favourites thus far (I haven't read any of the EX volumes). That being said, I think I would have preferred if they wouldn't have been solely comedic, but, in addition to the comedy, the side chapters could have also been used for character development and/or development for the relationships between the characters. I also would have liked some focus on the side characters, instead of Harutora and Natsume hogging nearly all the focus.

Anyhow, I guess it's fair to say that, by now, Harutora and Natsume have seen each other naked once.
I also wonder if Touji's "Shut up, I don't smoke or drink" to Harutora in volume 3 was some sort of in-joke between them, considering he was the one who ordered the alcohol during the "Winter Day's Dinner" side-story. Harutora also seems to be able to hold his drinks really well. I'm surprised Touji didn't last that much, considering he used to be a street punk - though, at least, he managed to go take a shower and go to sleep, instead of becoming a mess like the others.

In addition, considering Kyouko's actions when she met the male Natsume shikigami during the "The Men's Capriccio" side-story and her actions when she was drunk during the "Winter Day's Dinner" one, I'm lead to think she's one horny girl. I don't know whether to consider if Harutora was very lucky or very unlucky that she didn't remember he was the one she made the promise with.
I'm also surprised Natsume didn't blurt out anything or made any strange moves on Harutora, when she was drunk during that one story. Considering how crazy she's for him, I'm surprised she didn't do anything weird. Anyway, I'm wondering if during the cat shikigami side-story, the reason why didn't she dispel the cat when Harutora took it to the bath to bathe her was because she was afraid that it would be revealed to Harutora that the cat was a shikigami or because she really wanted to see him naked. Either way, it seems she liked what she saw.

[Endscape]

I also wonder if Touji's "Shut up, I don't smoke or drink" to Harutora in volume 3 was some sort of in-joke between them, considering he was the one who ordered the alcohol during the "Winter Day's Dinner" side-story.

Perhaps something was lost in translation? Harutora did tell Touji originally that he was missing a cigarette.

I'm also surprised Natsume didn't blurt out anything or made any strange moves on Harutora, when she was drunk during that one story. Considering how crazy she's for him, I'm surprised she didn't do anything weird.

She did do something weird. After Kyoko tried taking off her clothes in front of Harutora and they had a little flirty dialogue, Natsume deliberately tried taking off her clothes.

[Used Can]

True, but considering the things she could have said and/or done, that really wasn't especially weird.

[Iron Maw]

Man, the side stories sure are fun. The Kinoshita one and the Nabe one being my two favourites thus far (I haven't read any of the EX volumes). That being said, I think I would have preferred if they wouldn't have been solely comedic, but, in addition to the comedy, the side chapters could have also been used for character development and/or development for the relationships between the characters. I also would have liked some focus on the side characters, instead of Harutora and Natsume hogging nearly all the focus.

Shame Suzuka isn't in these either since most of them take place during the 6 months gap between vol 2 and 3. My favorites are definitely Bloody Holiday and Cold Memory in the Dark. Though I'm not sure if the later will be as fun without the manga's illustrations, but D'awww is very strong in that one. :heh:

To be fair while side stories don't too much in terms of development for the main cast, they do expand and further characterize what we know about the characters. I.e like what Natsume's living situation was like before she moved into the dorms and such.

Anyhow, I guess it's fair to say that, by now, Harutora and Natsume have seen each other naked once.
I also wonder if Touji's "Shut up, I don't smoke or drink" to Harutora in volume 3 was some sort of in-joke between them, considering he was the one who ordered the alcohol during the "Winter Day's Dinner" side-story. Harutora also seems to be able to hold his drinks really well. I'm surprised Touji didn't last that much, considering he used to be a street punk - though, at least, he managed to go take a shower and go to sleep, instead of becoming a mess like the others.

I don't know whether to consider if Harutora was very lucky or very unlucky that she didn't remember he was the one she made the promise with.
I'm also surprised Natsume didn't blurt out anything or made any strange moves on Harutora, when she was drunk during that one story. Considering how crazy she's for him, I'm surprised she didn't do anything weird.

Backup there a minute... THEY GOT WHAT?

In addition, considering Kyouko's actions when she met the male Natsume shikigami during the "The Men's Capriccio" side-story and her actions when she was drunk during the "Winter Day's Dinner" one, I'm lead to think she's one horny girl.

Course she's perverted, there is nothing pure about these thoughts. :D
http://i59.tinypic.com/2eduiz8.png

[versionf]

Man, the side stories sure are fun. The Kinoshita one and the Nabe one being my two favourites thus far (I haven't read any of the EX volumes). That being said, I think I would have preferred if they wouldn't have been solely comedic, but, in addition to the comedy, the side chapters could have also been used for character development and/or development for the relationships between the characters. I also would have liked some focus on the side characters, instead of Harutora and Natsume hogging nearly all the focus.
EX has other characters. I haven't read everything either, especially EX1, so far I like the Silver haired Junior, and Lost Girl With Cat. Though Suzuka's story wasn't exactly fun, it was pretty depressing overall.

True, but considering the things she could have said and/or done, that really wasn't especially weird.
Like smelling and rubbing on him? Anything more is not allowed to be shown.

[Used Can]

Like smelling and rubbing on him? Anything more is not allowed to be shown.
I don't think those were too weird, considering drunkards are expected to do stupid things.
In fact, considering you mentioned Natsume sniffing on Harutora, during that scene he brought up Hokuto, and the first thing Natsume thought was the dragon, even though Harutora was talking about the girl shikigami. That scene could have been especially bad had she let her secret slip.
Furthermore, in addition to that, she could have tried confessing to him, kissing him or even try to go for something else. I, for one, have sen a lot worse.

[Iron Maw]

From the character designer's twitter:
http://i60.tinypic.com/1zd3or8.jpg

[Zilch_Saber]

Well. For those who still not see Natsume in a girl's uniform. This is what she looks like ;)

https://24.media.tumblr.com/b1ad15f152572d07dfd8a84c21e4400b/tumblr_n24u99Pli01rjwyb2o1_500.jpg

[Used Can]

The one who did that design forgot about the leggings.

[sorenman1]

From the character designer's twitter:
http://i60.tinypic.com/1zd3or8.jpg

What are they saying?

[Used Can]

What are they saying?
Suzuka: Total Victory
Kyouko: What do you mean?

[Iron Maw]

The one who did that design forgot about the leggings.

Given the anime's production issues that's hardly a surprise! :p :heh:

Suzuka: Total Victory
Kyouko: What do you mean?

I guess she's comparing their dads? lol

[Used Can]

Indeed
Though it's a unfair comparison since Shidou currently looks younger. For all we know, Genji could have been rather good looking during his youth. Hell, just look at Mutobe.

[cloud04]

Well. For those who still not see Natsume in a girl's uniform. This is what she looks like ;)

https://24.media.tumblr.com/b1ad15f152572d07dfd8a84c21e4400b/tumblr_n24u99Pli01rjwyb2o1_500.jpg

totally can see that..esp w/ the DA's girls photograph series..although suzu did something to natsume..she turned into a really cute girl..w/ big racks

[Iron Maw]

totally can see that..esp w/ the DA's girls photograph series..although suzu did something to natsume..she turned into a really cute girl..w/ big racks

Oh that came out? Didn't see any raws at the usual place.

[cloud04]

Oh that came out? Didn't see any raws at the usual place.

its from dragon age..there's no public raws for it..unless you know some pvt RP
http://puu.sh/7rEfW.jpg
^natsume transform~

[kivredia]

Ugh, why would they do that. She was more than fine before, never understood this stupid "upgrading" which sometimes occurs.

On another note, every time I see someone mentioning how useless Kon is in combat in the anime thread(and that it is also a running joke) I just have a huge grin on my face.

Soon, very soon. Just a little more patience.

[BW95]

Ugh, why would they do that. She was more than fine before, never understood this stupid "upgrading" which sometimes occurs.

On another note, every time I see someone mentioning how useless Kon is in combat in the anime thread(and that it is also a running joke) I just have a huge grin on my face.

Soon, very soon. Just a little more patience.

Speaking of Kon, can someone tell me what the hell she was even doing when Harutora was going berserk and afterwards when Shidou appeared?

[coded321]

There is one thing in not sure about. Since harutora and natsume were switched within the family, does that mean natsume's parents are actually harutora's parents and vice versa? Or do i just have this completely confused?

[Used Can]

Who knows? It seems we'll be getting the truth about that, or at least a hint, on the next volume.

[Chris38]

There is one thing in not sure about. Since harutora and natsume were switched within the family, does that mean natsume's parents are actually harutora's parents and vice versa? Or do i just have this completely confused?

It's unknown who are Natsume's real parents. Judging from what I read in the novel spoilers, there has never been any confirmation that Harutora's parents are actually Natsume's biological parents.

Considering the short synopsis of volume 11 that was posted some time ago in this thread, we might be given some information / hints on this topic, when the next light novel volume is going to be released.

[Iron Maw]

Ugh, why would they do that. She was more than fine before, never understood this stupid "upgrading" which sometimes occurs.

Well, it's not canon so there is that.

On another note, every time I see someone mentioning how useless Kon is in combat in the anime thread(and that it is also a running joke) I just have a huge grin on my face.

Soon, very soon. Just a little more patience.

Frankly, the anime made Kon a lot weaker than she actually is with too many comedy bits they inserted. =/

it was much more balanced in manga, but yeah the next two episodes will make up for it.

Speaking of Kon, can someone tell me what the hell she was even doing when Harutora was going berserk and afterwards when Shidou appeared?

Looks she just resting after Harutora's spiritual power went haywire, their both connected spiritually remember?

There is one thing in not sure about. Since harutora and natsume were switched within the family, does that mean natsume's parents are actually harutora's parents and vice versa? Or do i just have this completely confused?

Only Yasuzumi was confirmed as Harutora's father. Nothing was said about Natsume other then her being a body double/substitute.

[BW95]

Well, it's not canon so there is that.


Frankly, the anime made Kon a lot weaker than she actually is with too many comedy bits they inserted. =/

it was much more balanced in manga, but yeah the next two episodes will make up for it.



Looks she just resting after Harutora's spiritual power went haywire, their both connected spiritually remember?



Oh Yasuzumi was confirmed as Harutora's father. Nothing was said about Natsume other then her being a body double/substitute.

Oh, yeah, but damn she's shown herself to be pretty reliable in times of emotional crisis in this episode. Did we skip Ohtomo's sunglasses lesson?

[Kleeyook]

^^ I think there's a high chance that Harutora's foster parents are Natsume's biological parents. ^^

My reasoning is based on these points I've been observing:

- It's be damn easier to swap children instead of finding someone else child.

- Chizuru should be pregnant before she gave birth. Unless no one saw her for 9 months before Natsume and Harutora were born, having someone not pregnant suddenly have child is unlikely.

- They'd have a hard time trying to find a child who'd be as talented as Natsume outside their clan.

- I don't think they'd trust outsiders to be accomplice in such a plan. Like point 1, such an important secret is better kept among themselves.

[setsuna86]

There is one thing in not sure about. Since harutora and natsume were switched within the family, does that mean natsume's parents are actually harutora's parents and vice versa? Or do i just have this completely confused?

Yes, as for the confirmation, you shoud watch again ep 21; the part where the supposed mother of Harutora cried when Yasuzumi told her that Natsume died.

[noctis_lucis]

I also think Chizuru and Takahiro are Nastume's parents; however if they aren´t her parents well I think it's likely that they were other members of Tsuchimikado main and branch families that now are dead. :confused:

Also Natsume is a Tsuchimikado because when she unsealed Harutora in her spell called upon his spiritual ancestor the great Abe no Semei, so I think that's a proof she's a Tsuchimikado.

[GDB]

The one who did that design forgot about the leggings.

Was just thinking that. The lack of leggings or alternate color skirt (like Suzuka) makes her look quite lewd.

[BW95]

Isn't the Raven Coat supposed to be based on Yatagarasu? But it only had two legs. Did the studio screw up again?

[Ougon]

Isn't the Raven Coat supposed to be based on Yatagarasu? But it only had two legs. Did the studio screw up again?

Yeah, LN described Raven Coat as having three legs in its raven form.

[Iron Maw]

Yes, as for the confirmation, you shoud watch again ep 21; the part where the supposed mother of Harutora cried when Yasuzumi told her that Natsume died.

That doesn't really confirm anything though. Chizuru was essentially an aunt to Natsume and spent years with her. Even they were not family by blood, they are by bond. So her action there isn't strange under the circumstances.

[Endscape]

That doesn't really confirm anything though. Chizuru was essentially an aunt to Natsume and spent years with her. Even they were not family by blood, they are by bond. So her action there isn't strange under the circumstances.

It's not confirmation, but it's a powerful indication, I think. Not to mention, Natsume-as-Hokuto behaved a lot like Chizuru, plus there's the parallel with Kon/Hishamaru as well.

[Iron Maw]

Oh yeah, I won't deny that. But it's nothing set in stone which is what I'm trying to say. I don't want to discourage speculation or anything.

[Drkz]

It makes the most logical sense because if you think about Hokuto is a familiar that is only supposed to be used by the main family. Natsume already had problems with the shikigami, a non-Tsuchimikado person trying to control Hokuto? Very unlikely. Also I don't think you can just find a baby with high spiritual power anywhere. Someone would notice if a baby like that is missing.

I wonder what Miyachi's end game is.

[Chris38]

Volume 5 Story 4 is out on BT :)

[Zilch_Saber]

Volume 5 Story 4 is out on BT :)

Thank you so much for always informing us :smile:

[BW95]

Oh My God. This is the one where Harutora gets sick and a yandere kicks in!

[Zilch_Saber]

Oh My God. This is the one where Harutora gets sick and a yonder kicks in!

Yeah! I really like the scene where Harutora really traumatize of getting cold because of what Natsume has done to him.

Way to go. I can even picture Harutora's cute flushy face when he is feverize.

[Iron Maw]

Oh My God. This is the one where Harutora gets sick and a yandere kicks in!

Hahaha yeah. :heh:

I feel this one of the stories that's even better served with images depicting the horror sweetness!

http://i62.tinypic.com/f52i47.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/34rwpwo.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/1221742.jpg

[Zilch_Saber]

Guys guys! Aren't this pic is so lovely? Natsume x Harutora pairing is really so sweet for me.

I'm sorry for those who is shipping Harutora to the other characters. I just can't stop my emotion right now after seeing this.

https://24.media.tumblr.com/5a107a99672fb75d30b2ad18ba7aae9e/tumblr_n2dofnJIaA1rjwyb2o1_500.png

[khoa258789]

Those two are nice as a couple but somehow i find it too common and boring if they end up together. Other choice like, Takiko, is more interesting. Nice pic though, thanks for posting it

[Ultraviolet X]

@Zilch_Saber

Nice picture. Find any with Hishamaru and Harutora?


Those two are nice as a couple but somehow i find it too common and boring if they end up together. Other choice like, Takiko, is more interesting. Nice pic though, thanks for posting it

Given that Natsume is now the mc, and shes searching for YakoTora, its pretty much set in stone for a NatsumeXHarutora ending, unless something unexpected happens to one or both of them.

Still, im hoping for a HishamaruXHarutora ending here.

[Bakaizer]

i still think that there will be still developments between harutora and kyouko as well as suzuka

[Ultraviolet X]

i still think that there will be still developments between harutora and kyouko as well as suzuka

Doubt that, from LN 10 it seems that Harutora is simply pursuing his goal (whatever it/they are). He may even be trying to avoid contacting them (Kyouko, Natsume, Suzuka, Tenma, Touji) to prevent them from being pulled into whatever he's dong. Well, LN 11 should make clear if this is right or wrong, this is my understanding of the story from LN 10.

What we do know is that he's now the big mystery of the story, it's set roughly 1 year after ln 9, and he's no longer the mc, Natsume is.

At the very least there won't be romantic developments between him and Kyouko, in ln 7 it shows in her inner thoughts she gave up on any romantic developments between her and Harutora, and she was trying to get Natsume and Harutora together in ln 8.

[khoa258789]

Well, at least the males and females ratio in this series is pretty much balanced. Who knows, maybe the author would make some couples at the end :D

[noctis_lucis]

I don't think he'll make couples and well for some reason I think Touji is related to Souma family. My theory is Touji's mother was Shidou's lover.

[Ultraviolet X]

I don't think he'll make couples

Have to agree with this, it doesn't seem very likely we get couples besides the main pairing. One can still hope though, its not like the possiblity is completely nill.

Well, at least the males and females ratio in this series is pretty much balanced. Who knows, maybe the author would make some couples at the end :D

My pairings

MariXMiyachi
ToujiXSuzuka

[kazzuya13]

I don't think he'll make couples and well for some reason I think Touji is related to Souma family. My theory is Touji's mother was Shidou's lover.

I doubt that Touji would be an illegitimate son of Shidou. However I think it is plausible that he might be related to Souma.

[Used Can]

Well, LN 11 should make clear if this is right or wrong, this is my understanding of the story from LN 10.
Regarding Natsume being the new MC, Azano confirmed that in volume 10's afterword. So, that doesn't need confirmation.

Regarding Yakotora's goal, it is indeed unknown, but he never told Sen he was wrong when he asked if the use he was planning to give to the fruit was related to the failed Taizan Fukun Ritual. In addition, despite leaving, Yakotora did show remorse when he heard that Natsume was looking for him and that she was nearby.

Anyhow, I wonder who's the other person Sen'ou wanted Yakotora to meet. Akino, perhaps?

[khoa258789]

Regarding Natsume being the new MC, Azano confirmed that in volume 10's afterword. So, that doesn't need confirmation.

Regarding Yakotora's goal, it is indeed unknown, but he never told Sen he was wrong when he asked if the use he was planning to give to the fruit was related to the failed Taizan Fukun Ritual. In addition, despite leaving, Yakotora did show remorse when he heard that Natsume was looking for him and that she was nearby.

Anyhow, I wonder who's the other person Sen'ou wanted Yakotora to meet. Akino, perhaps?

So, they haven't met each other in vol 10. Weird, one or two illustration in vol 10 makes me certain that they have met :confused:

[Used Can]

Yakotora and Natsume? No, they never met in volume 10. Natsume learned that Yakotora would go to the temple due to Yasuzumi's predictions, and Yakotora learned that Natsume was around and looking for him from Sen.
Almost as soon as Sen told him that Yakotora told Hishamaru and Kakugyouki they had to leave and thus they left.
By the time Natsume arrived they were already far away, which is why she called his nickname and started crying.

[khoa258789]

Yakotora and Natsume? No, they never met in volume 10. Natsume learned that Yakotora would go to the temple due to Yasuzumi's predictions, and Yakotora learned that Natsume was around and looking for him from Sen.
Almost as soon as Sen told him that Yakotora told Hishamaru and Kakugyouki they had to leave and thus they left.
By the time Natsume arrived they were already far away, which is why she called his nickname and started crying.

I see. So that how it happen. Thanks for the spoiler.
But why would Yasuzumi actually inform Natsume about his prediction. I thought these two hardly talked even before Natsume was revived.

[Used Can]

Natsume spent the time-skip with Yasuzumi, Takahiro and Chizuru.

[Iron Maw]

To add to that, Natsume had spent most her childhood with Yasuzumi (he taught most everything she knows) until she went to Onmyo Academy. It is true the story and Harutora's comments implies he was fairly cold person to her though. Vol 10 begins after a one year and half timeskip we don't know what their relationship is like now.

Another note, I'm want to know what vol 11's cover going to look like! Since it's focus won't be just on Natsume and co, but Takiko's group, I wonder if Takiko herself will appear on it?

[Ultraviolet X]

Regarding Natsume being the new MC, Azano confirmed that in volume 10's afterword. So, that doesn't need confirmation.

ahhh, sorry, you have misunderstanding of my post there. First paragraph the first half was my understanding of the events, the second half is what is certain. Ive cleaned it up so its easier to understand.

Regarding Yakotora's goal, it is indeed unknown, but he never told Sen he was wrong when he asked if the use he was planning to give to the fruit was related to the failed Taizan Fukun Ritual.

Ive mentioned it before that the ln 10 drops hints that two of his goals

From what happened in volume 10, my gueses towards some of the things he wants to do:

"fixing" Natsumes status (Hybrid)
Doing "something" sbout the Omyou agency (not sure what)

but I wasn't refering to either of these. The big "mystery" and his unknown goal that im refering to is why did Yakou reincarnate himself, he had a reason why he did and we don't know why.

In addition, despite leaving, Yakotora did show remorse when he heard that Natsume was looking for him and that she was nearby.

Theres a theory floating around that hes avoiding her because thats part of the price he had to pay for reincarnating her. Personally, i dont beleive it, I think hes trying to keep her and his friends out of whatever he has planned and the dangers involved, but either way thats still speculation at this point, since it hasn't been directly confirmed why hes avoiding her. Really can't help but feel sorry for Natsume.

[Used Can]

Ah, well, that's true. Volume 10 didn't shed any clues on why Yakou performed the Taizan Fukun Ritual back in the day.

[BW95]

Ah, well, that's true. Volume 10 didn't shed any clues on why Yakou performed the Taizan Fukun Ritual back in the day.

If you're referring to the ritual that caused the disaster, then that wasn't the Taizan Fukun ritual. That was something else. Yakou reincarnated himself later.

[Used Can]

Are you sure of that? When was that mentioned? Late volume 9? Volume 10? I don't really recall the Taizan Fukun Ritual Yakou performed years ago was brought up in 10, and as far as I remember, the explanation given was that the disaster was caused as a result of the ritual performed by Yakou.

[BW95]

Are you sure of that? When was that mentioned? Late volume 9? Volume 10? I don't really recall the Taizan Fukun Ritual Yakou performed years ago was brought up in 10, and as far as I remember, the explanation given was that the disaster was caused as a result of the ritual performed by Yakou.

Wasn't that just the general consensus or the explanation for the public? Someone else said it on this thread. Also, Shidou did mention in the latest episode that it was implausible that a ritual that manipulates one person's soul could cause such a destructive spiritual disaster.

[Used Can]

No, what Shidou said that the TFR is a system. The consensus was that Yakou had failed at performing TFS, and thus the disaster had happened.
Shidou contended that, saying that Yakou didn't fail at the ritual, since Harutora being Yakou's reincarnation was a living proof it succeeded, but that he failed at the system.
The "system" also being explained by Shidou, saying that the TFR seems to work in different ways, this being why Suzuka tried to sacrifice herself to save her brother, but Shidou and Genji said, if they conducted the ritual, no one would have had to die.

[Iron Maw]

IIRC, Shidou said in ep 22 that ritual Yakou failed was a of an greater "system", which I thought implied that wasn't TFR at all.

[Quol]

My theory is that something happened that caused the disaster (something out of Yakou's control, maybe a group of people, himself included, tried to do some large scale magic to help with the war but failed horribly) and to fix it he needs certain objects that could only be obtained after a very very long period of time. So Yakou does the set up and reincarnates himself so that when he gets back his memory all the necessary items are ready and he can fix the disaster.

It was only after a period of time that they ended up combining the two separate issues into the rumor that "Yakou decided to reincarnate himself and therefore started the disaster." If this series does anything well its that it shows rumors cannot be trusted.

[Used Can]

IIRC, Shidou said in ep 22 that ritual Yakou failed was a of an greater "system", which I thought implied that wasn't TFR at all.
From what I understood, the system and the TFR are the same thing. The reason why it is a system is because there are several ways to carry out the ritual, each with apparently different conditions to achieve the desired goal and for things to go smoothly. So, when Shidou said that Yakou didn't fail at the ritual, but at the system, I think he meant that the ritual was successful because he did manage to reincarnate himself, but Yakou failed at the system due to the disaster it produced. In other words, the original result was the one Yakou desired, but the mechanism produced an unintended side effect - or, at least, that's what Shidou seems to speculate.
So, even if he got the end result, he failed at some part in the "mechanism" which caused the Great Spiritual Disaster.

[huynhlan]

Quick question I want to ask the novel reader, the fact that yakotora couldn't completely revive natsume even though he is the master of TFR, so does that mean when shidou and genji saying they could, were they lying? If they indeed could then why didn't shidou get revive as a human instead of a shinigami, and if they indeed could then does that mean they have a better understanding on the TFR than Yakou?

[Used Can]

Who knows? We haven't seen a single example of anybody being properly revived (as a human). So, either the Souma learned something Yakou didn't know, and managed to fully understand the magic system for the TFR, allowing them to make a proper revival, or they just think they understand it, but would also have failed while trying to revive Natsume, either by getting the same result as Yakotora or something else.

[huynhlan]

Who knows? We haven't seen a single example of anybody being properly revived (as a human). So, either the Souma learned something Yakou didn't know, and managed to fully understand the magic system for the TFR, allowing them to make a proper revival, or they just think they understand it, but would also have failed while trying to revive Natsume, either by getting the same result as Yakotora or something else.

So basically genji and shidou were speaking out of their butt. Thank you for the answer. I seriously doubt they have a better understanding on the TFR thank yakou though, if they do, than they wouldn't really need him since their knowledge already surpass his.

[Used Can]

So basically genji and shidou were speaking out of their butt.
That's not what I said. What I said was we have no way to confirm anything they said, because we're yet to see anyone (them included) perform a proper revival.

they wouldn't really need him since their knowledge already surpass his.
Being more knowledgeable than him at the TFR system doesn't mean they know more than him in other areas of Onmyoudou.
In addition, they seem to want him more as a figurehead than as an Onmyouji.

[Iron Maw]

From what I understood, the system and the TFR are the same thing. The reason why it is a system is because there are several ways to carry out the ritual, each with apparently different conditions to achieve the desired goal and for things to go smoothly. So, when Shidou said that Yakou didn't fail at the ritual, but at the system, I think he meant that the ritual was successful because he did manage to reincarnate himself, but Yakou failed at the system due to the disaster it produced. In other words, the original result was the one Yakou desired, but the mechanism produced an unintended side effect - or, at least, that's what Shidou seems to speculate.
So, even if he got the end result, he failed at some part in the "mechanism" which caused the Great Spiritual Disaster.

I know that, what my impression from his statement was Yakou had been doing something else entirely that surpassed Soul Magic (like summoning or something). I won't discount however that Yakou might have been trying do that with TFRS.

My theory is that something happened that caused the disaster (something out of Yakou's control, maybe a group of people, himself included, tried to do some large scale magic to help with the war but failed horribly) and to fix it he needs certain objects that could only be obtained after a very very long period of time. So Yakou does the set up and reincarnates himself so that when he gets back his memory all the necessary items are ready and he can fix the disaster.

It was only after a period of time that they ended up combining the two separate issues into the rumor that "Yakou decided to reincarnate himself and therefore started the disaster." If this series does anything well its that it shows rumors cannot be trusted.

That's my general theory too. IIRC, from one of the spoilers when the war was going really badly for military, the government in desperation had apparently ordered Yakoutora perform spell that would win them the war instant or something. Hence the attempt at accessing more powerful system of magic.

Quick question I want to ask the novel reader, the fact that yakotora couldn't completely revive natsume even though he is the master of TFR, so does that mean when shidou and genji saying they could, were they lying? If they indeed could then why didn't shidou get revive as a human instead of a shinigami, and if they indeed could then does that mean they have a better understanding on the TFR than Yakou?

It's really not a good idea use the situation surrounding Natsume as a example of anything. She died without preparations and what was done on her by Harutora was more makeshift thing with due to limited time from my understanding. I doubt either Shidou, or Genji would have been nearly as successful in short amount of time since they had to spend much of much of it trying to capture Harutora after he broke off the deal.

[Quol]

Personally i think they were lying, at the moment they had to do everything in their power to get Harutora on their side as fast as possible since so many things were happening. Once Harutora agreed they could take their time fully trapping him, and as an added precaution they could say "Opps Natsume wasnt fully revived, but if you stay with us we can turn her back into a human."

[Iron Maw]

Takiko was able to bring back Shidou and Mutobe, so I doubt it's a lie. Onmyo Agency has access to Yakou's Imperial Style archives so they would have documentation and the Souma Clan of course helped him compile the requirements for the spells.

[huynhlan]

That's not what I said. What I said was we have no way to confirm anything they said, because we're yet to see anyone (them included) perform a proper revival.


Being more knowledgeable than him at the TFR system doesn't mean they know more than him in other areas of Onmyoudou.
In addition, they seem to want him more as a figurehead than as an Onmyouji.

If this is true then it make even less sense since no one other than them know harutora is yakou, so all they have to do is revive natsumr themselves and manapulate her and claim that she is yakou instead of harutora, since technically to everyone else natsume is still the head of the household, so they have no need for harutora as a figure head, so I think they didn't tell the whole true. They really wanted yakou's knowledge.

[versionf]

From what I understood, the system and the TFR are the same thing. The reason why it is a system is because there are several ways to carry out the ritual, each with apparently different conditions to achieve the desired goal and for things to go smoothly. So, when Shidou said that Yakou didn't fail at the ritual, but at the system, I think he meant that the ritual was successful because he did manage to reincarnate himself, but Yakou failed at the system due to the disaster it produced. In other words, the original result was the one Yakou desired, but the mechanism produced an unintended side effect - or, at least, that's what Shidou seems to speculate.
So, even if he got the end result, he failed at some part in the "mechanism" which caused the Great Spiritual Disaster.

That's actually what Harutora thought at first. Shidou saw through his thought and refuted him "What Yakou failed wasn't "Taizanfukun Ritual", it was its upper system".

[Iron Maw]

If this is true then it make even less sense since no one other than them know harutora is yakou, so all they have to do is revive natsumr themselves and manapulate her and claim that she is yakou instead of harutora, since technically to everyone else natsume is still the head of the household, so they have no need for harutora as a figure head, so I think they didn't tell the whole true. They really wanted yakou's knowledge.

Takiko and co are only helping Genji because it's Yakou's reincarnation they want (for whatever goal she has) and the cleansing of Twin Horn, nothing else. Natsume is useless to them for that. Genji wanting Yakou (or a Tsuchimikado heir) as a figurehead to lead magic community is fine, because it doesn't interfere with Souma's plan for him and gives them access to the Agency's resources. Of course they all want his knowledge, but that goes without saying. None of them obviously telling Harutora everything though.

[Endscape]

Speaking of Shidou, watching episode 22, I got the feeling that he set up Suzuka to do the ritual by purposefully leaving information on that specific method, and that he's responsible for whatever was wrong with her brother when she tried to bring him back.

[Iron Maw]

Actually I think Suzuka learned the spell from Suzu's research, at least what she said was that most of her knowledge about Yakou came from her work in episode 12.

[Ultraviolet X]

Speaking of Shidou, watching episode 22, I got the feeling that he set up Suzuka to do the ritual by purposefully leaving information on that specific method, and that he's responsible for whatever was wrong with her brother when she tried to bring him back.

Thats impossible, since he was long dead before Suzuka tried to revive her brother. He had no reason to do that.

[Endscape]

Actually I think Suzuka learned the spell from Suzu's research, at least what she said was that most of her knowledge about Yakou came from her work in episode 12.

Was that confirmed?

Thats impossible, since he was long dead before Suzuka tried to revive her brother. He had no reason to do that.

It's second class magic again, Shidou probably realized she would want to do that and he set her up.

As for the why, we know he modified her to be the vessel for 'something', and we know whatever she brought back to life wasn't her brother exactly. Perhaps he intended her to get possessed by whatever it was, but she needed to offer up herself voluntarily?

[Iron Maw]

Was that confirmed?

During the conference about the Twin Horn Syndicate between the 6 of them, Natsume asked Suzuka if she really thought she was Yakou reborn. She said something like despite what it might look like she wasn't the authority him, and her knowledge came from book written about Yakou (in particular the Raven Coat) by Ryou Saotome. We know Ryou=Suzu. I would have to rewatch the episode or wait for that chapter in the vol 5 to be translated to recheck though.

[Ultraviolet X]

During the conference about the Twin Horn Syndicate between the 6 of them, Natsume asked Suzuka if she really thought she was Yakou's reborn. She said something like despite what it might look like she wasn't the authority him, and her knowledge came from book written about Yakou (particular the Raven Coat) by Ryou Saotome. We know Ryou=Suzu. I would rewatch the episode or wait for that chapter in the vol 5 to be translated to recheck though.

ahhh, she read the report, which is something shidou could have left so suzuka could find and read.

It's second class magic again, Shidou probably realized she would want to do that and he set her up.

As for the why, we know he modified her to be the vessel for 'something', and we know whatever she brought back to life wasn't her brother exactly. Perhaps he intended her to get possessed by whatever it was, but she needed to offer up herself voluntarily?

Well, maybe, still seems unlikely though given that Suzuka was almost killed, rather then possesed. And theres been other cases where somone has been possesed by something, and lived afterwards.

[Quol]

Speaking of which, when Suzuka failed the ritual was it because she was using the wrong one (sacrifice yourself for the revived to turn into a spiritual disaster) or was it because she used Natsume's energy instead of Harutora's?

[versionf]

It's second class magic again, Shidou probably realized she would want to do that and he set her up.

Suzuka could read the stuff and Shidou's personal research only because she obtained type 1 qualification and also her expertise being Imperial Style. There weren't hints of Shidou doing that and it's too contrived to be true.

[Iron Maw]

Speaking of which, when Suzuka failed the ritual was it because she was using the wrong one (sacrifice yourself for the revived to turn into a spiritual disaster) or was it because she used Natsume's energy instead of Harutora's?

My speculation:

When she started, Suzuka was already past the time limit. Not to mention that Suzuka did not know Taizan Fukun Ritual had more one method to perform it, the notes and findings she read was probably just outdated at that point.

[BW95]

Speaking of which, when Suzuka failed the ritual was it because she was using the wrong one (sacrifice yourself for the revived to turn into a spiritual disaster) or was it because she used Natsume's energy instead of Harutora's?

Shidou said that there are many variations of the ritual. Souma's resurrects people as shikigami, Yakou's reincarnated his soul, and Suzuka's was supposed to resurrect someone in exchange for her life. It didn't help that she wasn't very skilled at it.

[kagato3]

Volume 1 states
At the time, the military turned to the Onmyou Bureau in their dead end, escaping from reality and gradually losing their sanity. The military pleaded Yakou to hold a large-scale magic ritual to turn the tables - which ultimately ended in failure.There were no detailed records left behind related to this ritual, but it led to quite devastating aftereffects. Yakou who was performing the ritual was killed, but not only this, as an effect of the ritual, the aura of Tokyo was heavily disrupted, destroying the original balance and leading to a huge spiritual disaster like never before.
is this just what is believed to have happend or what did happen. Could he have basicly hijacked the ritual away from what it was intended to doto prevent something worse then the spiritual disaster that did happen as there doesn't look like there was an other ritual for him to reincarnate nor has he been described as haveing been less then sane at the time

[Iron Maw]

As Quol pointed out, it's been proven we can't trust everything we hear. Perhaps Yakou could have had already prep the Taizan Fukun Ritual in advance or it only look like the Grand Ritual killed him. Eitherway he definitely planned to reincarate if the flashback in vol 1 (ep 3 in the anime) with Hishamaru is anything to go by.

[black prince]

v5 ch 2 is out :D No wonder ‎Lygo seems dancing in joy :heh: It's training camp with Suzuka joining :love:

[Iron Maw]

Yeah, so much that he looks to have forgotten to record the update. :heh:

BTW weirdly, all of chapter titles save for vol 7 and EX1 seem to have been translated now.

[black prince]

Yeah, so much that he looks to have forgotten to record the update. :heh:

BTW weirdly, all of chapter titles save for vol 7 and EX1 seem to have been translated now.

Lygo seems just remember to record the update. :heh:

[Johnny]

Any chance of seeing Harutora in action or is this last episode just going to be about resurrecting Natsume only? Be pretty bummed if they didn't let him go all out or even a certain fluffy tail's awakening. Seems like a lot to be stuffed into just one episode...

[DarkDooM]

What exactly is this about?
http://abload.de/img/vlcsnap-2014-03-18-20z3j3o.png

[setsuna86]

What exactly is this about?
http://abload.de/img/vlcsnap-2014-03-18-20z3j3o.png
The reading of the stars?

[DarkDooM]

The reading of the stars?

"The world we're in now is just one of many."
I wondered what she meant by that exactly.

[BW95]

"The world we're in now is just one of many."
I wondered what she meant by that exactly.

It's the typical future wisdom cliche. The future isn't set in stone and so the present is just one of many.

[DarkDooM]

It's the typical future wisdom cliche. The future isn't set in stone and so the present is just one of many.

What a bummer :(

[Iron Maw]

Any chance of seeing Harutora in action or is this last episode just going to be about resurrecting Natsume only? Be pretty bummed if they didn't let him go all out or even a certain fluffy tail's awakening. Seems like a lot to be stuffed into just one episode...

Harautora vs Kagami along with stuff involving Kon will happen next episode and yes it will be stuffed, just like most episodes of anime. lol

I don't know if we will even get much of Hishamaru's flashback, but it's supposedly not too long, so hopefully they will include it.

Expect no OP or ED next week.

[Necromia]

Is the LN translated to english past volume 5 anywhere??

[Iron Maw]

No, but Lygo has been very fast so it's likely hit vol 6 by the end of the month or so.

[SinsI]

Since they were ordered to cook carry using Shikigami, couldn't Harutora use his own to do that?
I wonder how good of a cook Kon is... At the very least, she seems to handle knives well.

[kazzuya13]

Since they were ordered to cook carry using Shikigami, couldn't Harutora use his own to do that?
I wonder how good of a cook Kon is... At the very least, she seems to handle knives well.

They are only allowed to use simple shikigami and nothing else.

[Iron Maw]

To add, the training seems focused at bettering their control over shikigami in general. Cooking is a fairly precision heavy field, so it's perfect for this.

[GenesiD]

Oh man, seeing today's episode made me so restless for volume 9 and 10 >.<

[@GEMC]

I saw that on the chapter title of volume ex was this "Special Appendix 3 - Secret Talk About Anime Work (Sequel)" does that mean they are also planning to adapt the part 2 of the light novel

[Endscape]

Harautora vs Kagami along with stuff involving Kon will happen next episode and yes it will be stuffed, just like most episodes of anime. lol

I don't know if we will even get much of Hishamaru's flashback, but it's supposedly not too long, so hopefully they will include it.

Expect no OP or ED next week.

Honestly, the rest of the volume needs 2 episodes to be done properly.

[Zilch_Saber]

I know that it may already answered many times, but can someone said who is this guy?

https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/thumb/d/df/Tokyo_Ravens_Volume_10-077.jpg/425px-Tokyo_Ravens_Volume_10-077.jpg

[Iron Maw]

His name is Yamishiro Hayato, a rookie Divine General who also happens to have been under Genji's tutelage. He duels Natsume in vol 10.

IIRC, he also graduated from the academy the same year when all that chaos in vol 6-9 was happening.

[NectorPrime]

Hi I'm new here nice to meet you all , we'll atleast that explains who that guy is thanks iron maw

[Drkz]

I wonder how strong Jin would be if he was a imperial pallbearer

[NectorPrime]

He would be god like I bet but if anything I wouldn't wanna go against him to find out

[Iron Maw]

I wonder how strong Jin would be if he was a imperial pallbearer

I guess he would be kinda of like Shidou, who is the only other former Divine General turned Ogre so far.

[Zilch_Saber]

His name is Yamishiro Hayato, a rookie Divine General who also happens to have been under Genji's tutelage. He duels Natsume in vol 10.

IIRC, he also graduated from the academy the same year when all that chaos in vol 6-9 was happening.

Thank you so much! You gave me a lot of info than I expected to have ^_^

[Endscape]

I guess he would be kinda of like Shidou, who is the only other former Divine General turned Ogre so far.

Speaking of Yase Doji, all the evidence points to Touji being one as well, right?

[kivredia]

Well, next episode is gonna be cramped with so much stuff. Might turn into a complete mess, but w/e.

Just one more week until it finally happens, homestretch.

[Iron Maw]

Speaking of Yase Doji, all the evidence points to Touji being one as well, right?

That's interesting question... Shidou did imply Touji's kinda of like him despite only being a hybrid. Not to mention Kagami has also called him special too. I'm really curious where that will go in part 2.

[Endscape]

That's interesting question... Shidou did imply Touji's kinda of like him despite only being a hybrid. Not to mention Kagami has also called him special too. I'm really curious where that will go in part 2.

I'm curious as well. Not only about the Oni stuff, but Touji is with Amami currently, right?

There's no way he would let that opportunity go, I'm sure he's been learning quite a lot.

[TonyC1994]

Man I love the translator for this LN, he's a fast one.

[Chris38]

Volume 5, chapter 3 is out on Baka Tsuki :)

[Zilch_Saber]

Volume 5, chapter 3 is out on Baka Tsuki :)

The translator is really not a human ;)

[noctis_lucis]

Lygo deserves a shrine

[anonfr]

Man I love the translator for this LN, he's a fast one.

I am waiting for all the volumes to be completed before reading, but I am so pleased it looks like that wait won't be a long wait at all.

[ser4]

with the risk of being cursed at :D What volumes does the Anime covers ? just got started on it and already love it :D and usually the LN are way ahead so was hoping to start on the LN right after the anime

[RDNexus]

The Anime adapts all of the First Part of the Story, up to LN09.
Of course, the adaptation has cuts and the likes, so the LNs will be more complete...

[Iron Maw]

I am waiting for all the volumes to be completed before reading, but I am so pleased it looks like that wait won't be a long wait at all.

As fast as he is, I can't see Lygo reaching vol 10 and 11 until end of year at this current rate. So your wait is going to be fairly long actually.

with the risk of being cursed at :D What volumes does the Anime covers ? just got started on it and already love it :D and usually the LN are way ahead so was hoping to start on the LN right after the anime

lol, you can ask any question you want here, just make sure to check 2 pages back and see if wasn't something answered recently. That all.

And welcome to the fandom. :)

[ser4]

lol, you can ask any question you want here, just make sure to check 2 pages back and see if wasn't something answered recently. That all.
And welcome to the fandom. :)

THanks :D Btw i wonder if the translator for the novels on BT would just decide to skip some of the volumes and start working on vol 10 directly then come back and do the rest, because a lot of guys don't read the LN once they have seen the anime and pick up where the anime left off

[Iron Maw]

They are actually better just off reading the novels all the way through from the beginning because the anime left out a ton of things and changed some others just fit story within the 24 episode format. The anime is a good entry point and gives a decent overview of the plot, but it far from serves as a replacement to the original material.

After checking up on the forums, Lygo does seem to have someone helping him now by doing vol 6, so he might able go straight to vol 7 then, speeding things up even further.

We have spoiler summaries to tide us over in the meantime.

[D4rk]

only remains to thank the translator of novels for their fabulous work for people like me who do not handle the Japanese, their work is really appreciated since this step as discussed novels quisas it all this year, I really love you.

PS: many questions remain regarding the translator?

some

- It's really human?
- It is a robot or a cyborg rather
- Is a zombie who loves light novels
- Is an octopus?

or injected xD

[DarkDooM]

"Really, I don't have anything to be proud of. I was bathing with my classmates today and saw that there are other people even bigger than me."

Why have these super interesting people not yet been introduced?! What is the author thinking?

[Legendzerox]

Is volume 11 the last light novel or are more gonna be made?