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Pellissier
2011-06-09, 07:30
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Sebasu
2011-06-09, 08:42
Teaser stills from twitter:
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.x.crii.x.
2011-06-09, 11:50
Wow, im glad to see everyone working together again. But poor Anaru. ;o; And looks like well finally be getting Tsuruko drama next week.

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Mizz-Bubblez
2011-06-09, 11:53
What happened this episode. I missed it. :(

Who is stroking Anaru's cheek there?. :o

Sebasu
2011-06-09, 12:01
The river scene made me stunned. I swear my heart almost skipped a beat. Beautiful episode as usual.

What happened this episode. I missed it. :(

Who is stroking Anaru's cheek there?. :o

Yukiatsu... sorry to disappoint JintanxAnaru shippers :heh:

Mizz-Bubblez
2011-06-09, 12:04
^
I had a feeling it was him. And now it makes sense as to why Tsuruko's reaction was like that. Poor Tsuruko.

Guessing from the place were Yukiatsu is and the way Anaru is dressed, they go out next episode.

shibakun
2011-06-09, 12:12
What happened this episode. I missed it. :(

Who is stroking Anaru's cheek there?. :o

With Jintan's passive attitude through out these episodes, he doesn't even have the balls to do something like that -_-

Man, I think I'm jumping ship... lol *sigh*

Manji Midou
2011-06-09, 13:00
With Jintan's passive attitude through out these episodes, he doesn't even have the balls to do something like that -_-

Man, I think I'm jumping ship... lol *sigh*

unlike Yukiatsu, he doesn't like to play with people's feelings. This has nothing to do with if he has a pair or not.

Cal-Reflector
2011-06-09, 15:27
Yukiatsu gets an A for effort, anyhow. Drying Anaru's tears like that was a smooth move.

Maybe now we'll finally get to see what's up with Tsuruko.

ars89
2011-06-09, 17:42
So Yukiatsu admitted his love for Menma to her father in order to let them make the fireworks. Since it was the mom the whole time that was apposed to it.

At least they all believe in Menma now. Lol when she was giving them food Tsuroku and Anaru were both freaked out.

So Anaru can't get over not being like Menma. Only to have Yukiatsu hit on her again. he way she jumped back with that pose was great. Wonder why Tsuroku had a smile on her face when she overheard that though. I thought she wanted Yukiatsu, i guess it's better than him thinking about Menma the whole time.

So Popo gives hints about what he's guilty about. He just wants to know the truth about how she died? Seems like he just misses his friend.

Jintan finally admits Menma's cute! That scene at the end was great when he stops her from entering the water and tells her to stay forever.

miketyson
2011-06-09, 17:59
Wow, this episode sure is funny in light of last week's heated discussion. I'll leave it at that, it's a solid episode, but...

Did Jinta just die at the end? He took a rather ridiculous fall didn't he?

I hope that's not our big twist. Notably he could see a shadow under Menma, when up until now I don't think we've seen her cast a shadow (I checked in this episode and she doesn't seem to have been before).

I guess it's possible Menma's now "real" too, somehow. Is there anyone who's been obsessively tracking whether or not Menma has a shadow?

Note: it's not a "full" shadow, just a smallish one underneath her while he's out in the water and she's waiting for him. It seems to be what Jinta notices right near the end of the episode.

Mizz-Bubblez
2011-06-09, 18:05
^
I thought he was looking at her reflection. But Yeah I noticed that shadow thing too. I don't get it.

miketyson
2011-06-09, 18:11
At least at first when they're standing by the water's edge Menma doesn't have a reflection and she still doesn't have one when he looks back. It's possible that that's what he noticed -- no reflection -- but since she didn't have one earlier you'd think he might've noticed before?

Likewise he's probably noticed she doesn't show up in mirrors or cast shadows (assuming she hasn't been). I can come up with a bunch of theories but this show has defeated me enough time I'll wait to see what happens next week.

charizardpal
2011-06-09, 18:37
-Lots of interesting hints in this episode. I guess Jintan was afraid that if she touched the river and followed the carp she'd be whisked away to the afterlife. Judging by the splash that one huge carp, unless it was Menma who caused the splash.... But if she caused the splash why isn't she wet?

-By the way when Poppo trails off it sounds like he was about to ask either 1) if she liked him or 2) if she blamed him; i.e. for her death.

-Also about her not being able to write with Anjou's pen and paper....could that be because she can only interact with objects she interacted with during her life? Such as the wood in the 秘密つきち 、 or the diary she had as a kid?
...Or could it be because Jintan didn't want her to communicate directly with Yukiatsu and break their special connection? Yukiatsu obviously was going to ask her about what she wanted to meet with them about on "ano hi."

They zoomed in on her barefoot feet today, so I'm sure they're going to talk about her shoes pretty soon. I bet she'll interact with them too...

katsudon
2011-06-09, 19:32
Yukiatsu gets an A for effort, anyhow. Drying Anaru's tears like that was a smooth move.

Yeah well... I guess it's possible since they can both 'move on' instead of being stuck in the past.

Mizz-Bubblez
2011-06-09, 19:50
I feel bad for Tsuruko. I wonder if she will express her feelings for Yukiatsu before the series end or she will remain quiet and let YukiAnaru just be?

Jin Kizuite
2011-06-09, 20:02
-Also about her not being able to write with Anjou's pen and paper....could that be because she can only interact with objects she interacted with during her life? Such as the wood in the 秘密つきち 、 or the diary she had as a kid?
...Or could it be because Jintan didn't want her to communicate directly with Yukiatsu and break their special connection? Yukiatsu obviously was going to ask her about what she wanted to meet with them about on "ano hi."

They zoomed in on her barefoot feet today, so I'm sure they're going to talk about her shoes pretty soon. I bet she'll interact with them too...

I don't wanna sound like i'm being too technical or analyst, but how is she able to keep baking fresh new muffins unless they have a ton of supplies which she all touched somehow before she died. I don't get the "not being able to write on Anjou's notebook," it could have something to do with her not being able to see Menma. But then since Jin touched the notebook before handing it to Menma, and he can see her but she still can't write on the notebook. ??? (Confusion)

charizardpal
2011-06-09, 20:57
^Maybe because Menma just needs to have an association with the thing, such as the fact Menma's mother made muffins in the past.

What I don't get is what happens to shrimp after Menma eats them.

Archon_Wing
2011-06-09, 21:19
Interesting that writing doesn't work everywhere. I wonder what's up with that?

Also, it was incredibly funny to see them react to Menma while they were eating the muffins. They're all like wtf????

It's also good that most of them are starting to realize and admit their problems; that's the first step towards healing, and Yukkiatsu was really smooth with Anaru. :p I wonder if they'll tell us more about Tsurikko. Surely, she's not too happy about Yukikatsu casually considering these things with other people, but not give her a single thought. Actually that just seems to be a recurring them all around with everyone.

And so now they're in on it, Jintan's not alone. But is it really right to have Menma stay here forever?

Rating:9/10

SoFarGone
2011-06-09, 22:08
no Menma needs to leave their lives. Everybody needs to move on. If Anjou and Yukiatstu go on a date next episode I think its going to be short. Tsuruko and Yukiastu somehow will end up together by the end of the episode leading to the finale to see Jintan give an answer to Anjou's confession while Menma finally disappears to the other world.

Pocari_Sweat
2011-06-09, 22:11
no Menma needs to leave their lives. Everybody needs to move on. If Anjou and Yukiatstu go on a date next episode I think its going to be short. Tsuruko and Yukiastu somehow will end up together by the end of the episode leading to the finale to see Jintan give an answer to Anjou's confession while Menma finally disappears to the other world.

Agree with this. Though it would be nice if Anjou x Jintan did happen.

darkmanure
2011-06-09, 22:29
I'm starting to think Jinta will be alone at the end, alone but pushing ahead instead of stuck in the past.

Guardian Enzo
2011-06-09, 22:32
Did Jinta just die at the end? He took a rather ridiculous fall didn't he?

I hope that's not our big twist. Notably he could see a shadow under Menma, when up until now I don't think we've seen her cast a shadow (I checked in this episode and she doesn't seem to have been before).

I guess it's possible Menma's now "real" too, somehow. Is there anyone who's been obsessively tracking whether or not Menma has a shadow?

Note: it's not a "full" shadow, just a smallish one underneath her while he's out in the water and she's waiting for him. It seems to be what Jinta notices right near the end of the episode.

I definitely don't think he saw a shadow under Menma. I'm 100% sure he cast a shadow on the water and she didn't - and that she had no reflection. That's probably what he was staring at.

What unsettles me was the slow-mo of the splash when Jintan dived into the water. Signifying what?

Ziziphus
2011-06-09, 22:43
Great episode! But why do I feel that things are getting more complicated instead of resolved?

I so hope they won't rush the ending.

About ED: are those some new shots of the girls that I saw? (or maybe I just missed them from previous episodes for whatever reason. >_>) Anyway, I made some gifs and sticks from those shots because I friggin' love them:

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Mizz-Bubblez
2011-06-09, 22:46
no Menma needs to leave their lives. Everybody needs to move on. If Anjou and Yukiatstu go on a date next episode I think its going to be short. Tsuruko and Yukiastu somehow will end up together by the end of the episode leading to the finale to see Jintan give an answer to Anjou's confession while Menma finally disappears to the other world.

I would love that where all the characters end happy some way, but I am skeptical for such an ending considering who wrote the story.

serenade_beta
2011-06-09, 23:01
Super jealousy machine, Yukiatsu Muneatsu.
You thought he was over being hilarious after he was caught crossdressing, but he proves to be great again, be it kicking the fence (No, Tsuruko, he was broken way before, clearly) or asking Anal to date him because they are similar or whatever his imagination brought him to.

In the meantime, Tsuruko... It would have been priceless if she was voiced by KitaEri... :heh:

Episode felt a bit lacking in development, but it did feel like a needed transition episode. Seems the end will be the fireworks.

garbage
2011-06-09, 23:04
too bad for anaru
well, really the most difficult rivals are the ones the are "no longer there" especially if the death was as traumatic as it was for their group.
i wonder why anaru keeps doing her hair that way with those strange twin tails sticking up she looks way cuter with her hair down imho, and she looks great in the preview with the hat.
still i would want them ( jintan and anaru ) to be together in the end to get on with their life, they would be good for each other. [unless we have a jintan dying ending and he goes together with menma ehehe]

yukiatsu as usual just comes across as creepy for me....

The bridge was ... scary? my heart skipped a beat... i thought menma fell in, like a reenactment of her accident before. and whats with her going in the river will she disappear if she does? because she died that way? guess wait for next episode for answers.

edit : come to think of it , Japanese believe when you die you cross some river, cant recall the exact name tho, that might be a reference of sorts.

Triple_R
2011-06-09, 23:05
I really, really liked this episode.



I felt that Okada hit just the right note in how the rest of the gang reacted to the revelation that Ghost Menma is actually amongst them.

I'm glad that Anaru and Tsuruko were creeped out a bit at the beginning of the episode. I think that a lot of people would be if in their situation. :heh:

I liked how Yukiatsu accepted that, yes, Menma is really there, but he is still seriously pissed that he himself can't see her or talk directly with her. His jealousy of Jinta is palpable, and understandable. It adds good drama and tension to the plot.

Likewise, Anaru's emotions came out very nicely here, and I liked how Yukiatsu openly stated how she and him are kindred spirits.

I liked the multifaceted romantic conflicts going on here, and how they played out in this episode. Hinting at a possible Yukiatsu/Anaru relationship makes that more interesting for me, as even now I'm not really swallowing Menma the Ghost as a serious romance option for Jinta or Yukitatsu going forward.


I felt that Menma's dad came off really well, and so did how Yukiatsu responded to him.

I also liked seeing Tsuruko getting a lot of screentime in this. She had very good dialogue in this, and she carries herself with a certain dignity and sophistication that helps round out and balance the cast nicely, imo.

Every scene in this I liked, really. The execution was splendid.


My only issues are, of course, the premise itself is a bit hard to swallow and may take some getting used to now that it's front and center and undeniable. The way I feel about this episode, and much of this anime really, is that the situation isn't realistic, but the way the characters respond to it is.

Furthermore, I'm a bit unnerved at the possible foreshadowing here of Menma somehow coming back to life fully. I hope that Okada doesn't go down that route, but the way Jinta keeps talking about not letting Menma go, I have to wonder...


Still, a very pleasant, excellently executed, and even slightly amusing episode. Definitely deserves a 9/10 from me.

SoFarGone
2011-06-09, 23:14
oh yea forgot to mention this: there's a chance Jintan might stop the fireworks because he doesn't want Menma to go. Probably won't anyway since fireworks probably isn't the wish.

Guardian Enzo
2011-06-09, 23:26
I really need to start composing my thoughts after watching an episode of this show before blogging it, so much happens every damn week - but it's churning around and needs to come out. The blog review (http://lostinamerica-deeg.blogspot.com/search/label/AnoHana):

Just a couple of general thoughts, somewhat in response to RRR's post:

I don't think the hinting here is that Menma is coming back to life - rather, I think the hinting may (and I hate, hate, hate suggesting it) that Jintan is going to die. Consider:

- The river representing the barrier between this world and the afterlife is nothing new - it's literally older than the Greeks. But the symbolism here was pretty obvious. From the moment Menma felt that cold breeze and saw the ghost carp, that river scene was magical - and ominous. Clearly, it was a hugely important moment for the series.

- Jintan finally admitted that he wanted Menma to "stay around forever". Immediately afterward, he looked at the water and noted with a frown that she had no reflection. So she can't stay around forever - not in the world of the living. But what he said could be interpreted as "I want Menma to stay with me forever."

- Please note the long, lingering, slow-motion shot of Jintan jumping into the water. The splash, all of it. The river that has such obvious symbolic import, the river he was so adamant that Mernma not step into that he almost broke his neck racing down the embankment to stop her.

In some ways, I think a case could be made than Jintan died when Menma died. He'd already lost his mother, and how his beloved childhood sweetheart. He retreated inside himself - became a hikikomori, had no joy in his life at all. Until Menma came back, anyway. Maybe what Jintan really wants is to be together with Menma and his mother, and the only way for that to happen is for him to cross the river.

Mind you, that's speculation. I'd bet my house that the river scene was colossally important, but there's enough potential symbolism there for me to be off base. Did Menma die in that river? That could account for a lot. And I certainly hope that this isn't the case - indeed, I've resisted the notion that he could be dying since it was first proposed. I hope that isn't the way this is headed - but for the first time, I really feel as though it might be.

Triple_R
2011-06-10, 00:04
I really need to compose my thoughts after watching an episode of this show before blogging it, so much happens every damn week - but it's churning around and needs to come out. The review (http://lostinamerica-deeg.blogspot.com/search/label/AnoHana):

Just a couple of general thoughts, somewhat in response to RRR's post:

I don't think the hinting here is that Menma is coming back to life - rather, I think the hinting may (and I hate, hate, hate suggesting it) that Jintan is going to die. Consider:

- The river representing the barrier between this world and the afterlife is nothing new - it's literally older than the Greeks. But the symbolism here was pretty obvious. From the moment Menma felt that cold breeze and saw the ghost carp, that river scene was magical - and ominous. Clearly, it was a hugely important moment for the series.

- Jintan finally admitted that he wanted Menma to "stay around forever". Immediately afterward, he looked at the water and noted with a frown that she had no reflection. So she can't stay around forever - not in the world of the living. But what he said could be interpreted as "I want Menma to stay with me forever."

- Please note the long, lingering, slow-motion shot of Jintan jumping into the water. The splash, all of it. The river that has such obvious symbolic import, the river he was so adamant that Mernma not step into that he almost broke his neck racing down the embankment to stop her.

In some ways, I think a case could be made than Jintan died when Menma died. He'd already lost his mother, and how his beloved childhood sweetheart. He retreated inside himself - became a hikikomori, had no joy in his life at all. Until Menma came back, anyway. Maybe what Jintan really wants is to be together with Menma and his mother, and the only way for that to happen is for him to cross the river.

Mind you, that's speculation. I'd bet my house that the river scene was colossally important, but there's enough potential symbolism there for me to be off base. Did Menma die in that river? That could account for a lot. And I certainly hope that this isn't the case - indeed, I've resisted the notion that he could be dying since it was first proposed. I hope that isn't the way this is headed - but for the first time, I really feel as though it might be.





Hhmmm... you could be right. That is another way, and perhaps a more natural way, of taking Jinta's comments.

While I'd actually prefer this to Menma magically coming back to life, it also wouldn't be how I'd like to see the anime end.

So, yeah, I don't like the idea of Jinta dying either.

Truthfully, I don't think Okada needs to do anything plot twisty at this point. The premise of the show is different enough as is, and that alone gives it a distinctive feel.

So, at this juncture, I agree with the opinion that you've been voicing for awhile now. In other words, that a simple end where the gang gets back together and Menma moves on through her wish being achieved (while the gang comes to grips with losing her) would probably be for the best.

But the more I think about it, the more I think the idea of Jinta dying could very well fit the hints that we've seen. The question of "Why does Menma only appear to Jinta?" is one that still hasn't really been answered concretely yet. Maybe it's because she can't move on to the afterlife until Jinta comes with her... :uhoh:

Master Chibi
2011-06-10, 00:27
I don't know what the hell to think at this point.

Shit, I'm rightly overwhelmed at this point.

Guardian Enzo
2011-06-10, 00:42
Hhmmm... you could be right. That is another way, and perhaps a more natural way, of taking Jinta's comments.

While I'd actually prefer this to Menma magically coming back to life, it also wouldn't be how I'd like to see the anime end.

So, yeah, I don't like the idea of Jinta dying either.

Truthfully, I don't think Okada needs to do anything plot twisty at this point. The premise of the show is different enough as is, and that alone gives it a distinctive feel.

So, at this juncture, I agree with the opinion that you've been voicing for awhile now. In other words, that a simple end where the gang gets back together and Menma moves on through her wish being achieved (while the gang comes to grips with losing her) would probably be for the best.

But the more I think about it, the more I think the idea of Jinta dying could very well fit the hints that we've seen. The question of "Why does Menma only appear to Jinta?" is one that still hasn't really been answered concretely yet. Maybe it's because she can't move on to the afterlife until Jinta comes with her... :uhoh:

Bolded the key phrase, one I wholeheartedly agree with.

I can accept that ending if it happens, mind you - while it wouldn't be my choice I don't think it would be a betrayal of the spirit of the series. But not only for the reasons I've stated and the ones you refer to above, I don't think it's the best way to go. I'd really prefer something a little more life-affirming, as pat as that sounds. Really, it's kind of a depressing message if there's no other path to happiness for Jintan but to die - especially given that he has a father and a friend who love him dearly and would - quite literally, it seems - do anything for him.

Jintan is the main character here, no question about it - this has been his journey more than anyone else's. While by far my dominant feeling for the character is positive - I deeply sympathize with him and can imagine the pain he's suffered - a strong case could be made that he's a pretty selfish guy. In closing himself off he's certainly hurt his father and Anaru, though not through an ounce of maliciousness - but he's been so consumed with his own pain that he hasn't seen the pain he's been causing others. Menma's return has - ironically - brought him back to life. It would be a much more positive message if that return was the catalyst for him to grow up and accept and appreciate the love of his father and his friends than it would be if her role was to guide him to the next life.

Of course, if you're a believer in OPs and EDs as spoilers, I don't see much foreshadowing of this theory there - Jintan is lumped in with the living Busters there, and Menma is the odd one out.

Sackett
2011-06-10, 01:25
I think that symbolism fits very well Enzo, however, it might just be an expression of Jintan's attempt to cross the boundary of death, and a revelation of how impossible it is for him.

Thus the river represents the boundary of the dead from the living, hence Menma's attraction to it. Jintan rushes down there to try and stop Menma from crossing. Then Jintan tries to cross it himself in Menma's place. Time slows down as he tries to cross the barrier, but he can't. For Jintan it's just a river. Then he looks back and sees the evidence that Menma is already dead (has no reflection). Somehow the riverbank has changed sides, and he's still on the side of the living while Menma is on the side of the dead.

Jintan is separated from her, and he can't change that.

Instead of foreshadowing a future plotline, I think it's representing Jintan's character development since the start of the show, and now a conscious revelation to Jintan of what he's been learning all this time. That he can't go back to those days of having Menma with them all together as the Super Peace Busters.

Just like everyone else, Jintan is having trouble letting go of the past, but I think he's beginning to see that no matter how hard he holds on, the past isn't there to hold.

At least that's how I interpret the scene.

Also, why are you putting all this in spoilers? It's just speculation, not actual spoilers.

MeoTwister5
2011-06-10, 01:43
To further elaborate on what Sackett was saying, I'd say that Jinta's observations on the river/creek further reinforces the irony that while Jinta seems to be the one most active in finding a way for Menma to fulfill her wish, he is also the one most invested and likely to be most affected when he finally succeeds, in that he is the one who tries the hardest to succeed but has the most to lose when he does.

This really strengthens the notion that Menma's appearance to Jinta and so far only to him was due to reasons greater than mere chance or mere closeness; he is by far the one in need most of closure and the need to move on. He now knows that his actions on behalf of Menma may as well have been classified as his own attempts to get back the days he spent with her, to relive the days so to speak (no pun intended), but now he knows that by doing so he will finally lose her to the afterlife. He perhaps now knows that his actions weren't as noble as he thought; he was ultimately doing it for his own benefit as well.

But now he understands the end result of his actions, that he was both selfless and selfish, but in the end as Sackett said things don't last forever even for the dead. Everyone will have to cross that river some day, it's just that Menma had to do it earlier than they did. Whether or not they'd meet again on the other said, as a group of friends, at the end of human mortality pretty much depends on whether you believe in an afterlife.

The similarities to the scene with the River Styx in Greek is actually sort of uncanny if not scary.

Blog post to follow.

Guardian Enzo
2011-06-10, 01:54
Sackett and Meo, your interpretations (which if you'll permit me to lump together, I believe are materially the same) certainly are plausible. They make as much such as mine - both fit with the episode and with the general symbolism I see at play here. At this point there's just no way to know - as I said, I hope my theory is wrong and there are many interpretations that fit.

As for the spoiler tags, well - while the bulk of what RRR and I posted was speculation, someone who hadn't watched the episode wouldn't know the scene I was referring to in the first place - and though this is an episode-specific thread, on the same day as airing I'd rather play it safe, just in case.

Triple_R
2011-06-10, 01:56
As for the spoiler tags, well - while the bulk of what RRR and I posted was speculation, someone who hadn't watched the episode wouldn't know the scene I was referring to in the first place - and though this is an episode-specific thread, on the same day as airing I'd rather play it safe, just in case.

Yeah, that's the main reason why I used spoilers as well.

That, and to save space.

Freeter
2011-06-10, 02:07
So now Menma's in full force with the whole poltergeist routine of floating objects and invisible scribbles...if I were Poppo, I'd be making money off of that :cool:

I'm not throwing any death flags on Jinta. That would be such a cop out if they went that route, plus they've been giving strong hints that he and Anaru are going to end up together. Without him she'd be devastated, and the whole Yukiatsu nonsense is just there to stir Tsuruko drama (heck, she's gotta do something before this is all over :heh:).

Seems Menma's dad isn't the angry beast others made him out to be. He's definitely going to be the one to convince the mom to give the greenlight for the fireworks, along with the younger brother.


The bridge was ... scary? my heart skipped a beat... i thought menma fell in, like a reenactment of her accident before.

That's exactly what they were going for, with the zoom-in on the river and that perfectly timed sound effect. Now we know exactly how it happened, the only question left is why. Was it truly an accident, or did someone instigate the fall?

If it's the latter, then my money's on Poppo, especially after how that whole scene between him and Menma abruptly ended like that. The conclusion of that scene is likely going to come back into play later, possibly during a confrontation between him and Jinta (and since Poppo's bigger than Yukiatsu, Jinta better hope Menma pulls some dirty tricks to give him a fighting chance :heh:).

MeoTwister5
2011-06-10, 02:14
The possibility of him dying is... well... the only way this would be even remotely believable would be either:

1. He dies by his own hand to be with her (and I for one refuse to accept this).
2. He dies in a manner similar to how she died. (more acceptable, but I still don't like it).

The suggestion that he may follow in her footsteps across the river of death is possible. He may, if he so chooses, follow her beyond the living into death. The thing is everything here and now has been about living beyond the specter of death and not about joining it. To me, having Jinta die defeats the purpose of a person's attempt not be be shackled to the past and live on beyond the day when time seemed to have stood still. At most I see that event as Jinta's brush with death, to help him gain perspective about what living and dying really means, and how death is ultimately unique to the one who dies and is nothing anyone can really feel until it happens.

For reference I'd point to Kierkegaard's The Sickness Unto Death, but my point being that this to me at most would be a close call on his side, that he ALMOST died in the same manner that Menma died, allowing him as close a view of death (specifically Menma's) as anyone will be able to get.

DragoonKain3
2011-06-10, 02:14
I dunno, got a feeling that Tsuruko might be the one most 'responsible' for Menma's death. Not being creeped out by levitating food, but being creeped out once its a pointy object? Not only that, but signs of yandere here and there (especially during the YukiAnaru scene), AND she's the one who put out the idea that maybe Menma hasn't moved on because Menma hasn't forgiven them yet (which she might be very well talking about herself, like Yukiatsu does). I might be wrong (I HOPE I'm wrong), but something is fishy regardless lol (pardon the pun).


On the whole though, I REALLY liked this episode. Especially the part where Jintan thought Menma was gone; really had me anxious if it really was true, and the ramifications of Menma gone from his life. My heart was really thumping in anticipation of what's coming next, even though I knew Menma couldn't have disappeared this early in the series. :heh:

ahelo
2011-06-10, 04:07
Episode 9 (http://traveleronrevenge.wordpress.com/2011/06/10/anohana-09/)

It really bothers me how dumb Jintan and Menma is, I mean Menma could have just held up a book in episode 2 and none of this problems would have happened. Though there wouldn't be Anohana if that happened.

Haak
2011-06-10, 04:13
I think the idea of Jintan dying to find closure would be a really bad aesop and i don't think it fits at all with the tone of the series. It could be a possible source of conflict but I don't think it will be the solution. I like Guardian Enzo's interpretation of the river scene though.

And yeah it's great to see characters act so convincingly when they realise Menma's alive. I'd be getting goosebumps too. And it's great to see that simply proving Menma's existence hasn't solved more conflicts than it's started. In fact it doesn't really solve anything in the long run. There's still a long way to go.

kuroishinigami
2011-06-10, 05:55
Hmmm... this episode definitely feels weird for me compared to the other episodes before, whether it's the pacing, or the atmosphere, and most of all, doesn't feel like something that you would show 2 episodes before the final. Nothing feels resolved yet(I kinda wish they address the Menma mom problem in this episode, or at least move forward to try to solve it instead of just asking help from the dad), and Menma's reveal make Jintan feels very distant with the rest of the group(except Poppo I guess) since he only cares about talking to Menma now. I'll hold my judgment for the series as a whole until the end though.

katsudon
2011-06-10, 06:04
there are a lot of good speculation so far from what i'm reading.

i'd like to throw in one more jintan's death flag.

3. there are some old japanese legend that if you drown, the only way to move on is to find a another to take your place. ie another vicitim. so menma will kill jintan on purpose or accidental...

however, this is highly unlikely and would ruin the entire series.

Kanon
2011-06-10, 06:25
Tsuruko getting freaked out and clinging to Anaru made my day :heh:
She's always so cool, calm and collected that I never expected to see such a strong and funny reaction from her.

Yukiatsu going after Anaru again made me feel very bad for Tsuruko. I thought he was joking the first time, but it looks like he's actually serious. Their only common point if that they both have unrequited feelings for someone (and it seems to be the only reason he likes her, he thinks they're similar)... not a very good basis for a relationship.

I thought Menma was going to fall into the river again. She is way too airheaded... I'm going to say something terrible here, but I'm starting to think she was simply too dumb to live.

The thought that Jinta might kill himself to join Menma is beyond depressing. That would go against the whole theme of the series (moving on) and would leave a very bad after taste in my mouth, no matter how well done. Not to mention, it'd send a very negative message.

What personally held my attention those past couple episodes is Yukiatsu, Poppo, Tsuruko and Anaru's desire to be forgiven by Menma. We already know why Anaru and Yukiatsu feel guilty, but why would Menma be so angry with them that she wouldn't be willing to forgive them for that? They sometimes speak as if they murdered her (no, I don't believe for a second). Anyway, I'd very much like to see/hear Tsuruko and Poppo's side of the story. Only two episodes left for that...

~Yami~
2011-06-10, 06:40
no Menma needs to leave their lives. Everybody needs to move on. If Anjou and Yukiatstu go on a date next episode I think its going to be short. Tsuruko and Yukiastu somehow will end up together by the end of the episode leading to the finale to see Jintan give an answer to Anjou's confession while Menma finally disappears to the other world.

yeah! I expect and want this kind of ending too... hopefully it will happen


another heartbreak episode
the Jintan's house scene is great.... I can't imagine if I see a floating plate... maybe I will scream....
at least, everyone is together and help each other....

what is this Yukiatsu X Anaru scene??!!!! maybe Yukiatsu just want to find someone who also living in the past.... that's not love!!!! (I am still praying for Jintan X Anaru ending.... Anaru deserved it)
poor Tsuruko... I'm cheering for her....
I'm curious about what Poppo's question to Menma

I think we won't need another twisting drama in their relation (for example : Yukiatsu and Anaru are going to date while Tsuruko crying or maybe just another fighting between Tsuruko and Anaru)
we are nearing the end.... and the firework scene is the climax....
I can't predict what will happen in the next episode anymore.... T_T
hopefully it will be a good ending....

Riou17
2011-06-10, 06:40
I'd rather not have Jintan die in the end. For me, it just doesn't suit the series. Besides, if he died either Menma or Anaru will not move on. So it's not really a good plot twist.

Anyway, this episode is different which is a good thing because the previous one was heavy on the drama and this one is quite light. I laughed a bit and felt weird when Menma's interacting with the others at the first scene.

I felt bad for Tsuruko in this episode. I have a vague idea why Yukiatsu wants to go out with Anaru because they are in the same position, but then what about Tsuruko? In a sense, all three of them are in the same position but its still Anaru who've Yukiatsu pick instead of her. So I'm expecting a heavy drama on Tsuruko next episode.

At the river scene, I thought both Jintan and Menma are afraid of going into the river. I mean, Menma died at the river so I thought she's afraid to go near it, and then Jintan because of Menma. I also don't have anything much to say at the slow mo. I guess he felt guilty or something based on his expression and when Menma called his name.

kitten320
2011-06-10, 07:54
Huh? Are you seriouse? There are only 12 episodes all together? I don't see it ending so fast 0_o

The best part of the episode for me was Anaru's Tsuruko's exchanges with each other.
I guess no one can deny the fact now that Teuruko likes Yukiatsu who sadly is as obliviouse as Jinta. Actually Jinta is worse, he never gave any response at all. It doesn't hurt to act like nothing happened sometimes but with such outburst on Anaru's part that's definetly not the best solution.

And please, please, please don't tell me that Poppo also loved Menma! It is getting ridiculouse!

deadite
2011-06-10, 11:08
I am also very suspicious of Tsuruko. Also, isn't it ironic that Menma's reveal actually strained their relationship more than it brought them together?

Zeroryoko1974
2011-06-10, 11:08
Jintan better crap or get off the pot. Menma is going to return to heaven, and Anaru will be snatched up by another man. Guess he can always just kill himself, or go the yaoi route with Popo. Great episode.

deadite
2011-06-10, 11:34
Also, remember that Jinta is going to be working at the bridge? This might be some foreshadowing.

Guardian Enzo
2011-06-10, 11:40
Huh? Are you seriouse? There are only 12 episodes all together? I don't see it ending so fast 0_o!

Try 11 episodes - not 12!

To be clear - I don't expect Jinta to literally kill himself, even if the death theory is correct (and I am by no means convinced). I would say, rather, that if it does happen it would be in line with the earlier foreshadowings of an illness - the nosebleeds, the fainting, etc. Maybe with an implication that his body has kind of given up on this life.

Of course, the observation that Jintan will be working on the bridge is a good one - and highly unlikely to be coincidental.

KyriaL
2011-06-10, 11:43
Yukiatsu certainly is an interesting character, wonder why its not often we see these kind of characters in shows. And the character relationship web seems to be revealed further.

deadite
2011-06-10, 12:22
I wonder what exactly is going on with the Menma-Touko plot thread. Is it going to be a surprise along with Poppo and Tsuruko's account of "That Day"? Also ironic is that meeting Menma wanted to hold which leaves Jinta out of the picture becaue the current circumstances prevent her from that meeting. Maybe that is why she can only write in the clubhouse? Because that is where Menma wanted to hold the meeting?

Triple_R
2011-06-10, 12:22
A speculation I have pertaining to Tsuruko...



I wonder if Tsuruko (kid) ended up getting into a scuffle with Menma? A scuffle that ultimately resulted in Menma falling off of that cliff and dying?

I don't think Tsuruko, or anybody else, deliberately pushed Menma off of the cliff - I think that's a bit darker than what Okada would aim for here - but I have to wonder if kid Tsuruko was jealous of Yukiatsu's feelings for Menma, and ended up getting into an ultimately disastrous fight with Menma over it.

That could help explain some of Tsuruko's actions and statements.

She might be wearing that old hairpin as a way to atone for how her actions helped caused Menma's death. Her suggestion that Menma's ghost might actually be there to attack them makes a bit more sense if Tsuruko feels that there's a good reason that Menma would want to attack her.

Just an idea I had that I felt might be worth sharing.

Mizz-Bubblez
2011-06-10, 12:32
I have also noticed that Tsuruko seems to a little frightened of Mena the most. I don"t necessarily think she was there when Menma fell over, but something is definatly up. Or is that just me?

deadite
2011-06-10, 12:35
Right now, the knowledge of Menma being real is tearing them apart even more. Jinta is now comfortable about openly communicating with Menma without realizing the harm he is causing to he others.

Soconfused
2011-06-10, 12:51
Jintan dying simply won't happen, that is if this is 11 episodes. I think there would need to be at least some significant foreshadowing or build up to such a thing, and that can't happen in 2 episodes (technically one). I honestly don't believe the fireworks will be Menma's wish, I think next episode we might find out what it actually is, or atleast see how Menma actually died. :p

I also don't think Tsuroko had anything to do with Menma's death. That would be completely out of nowhere and would make Tsuroko look really shitty. And again, theres been nothing to even suggest this, Menma has barely even acknowledged Tsuroko the entire series, which would be weird if she somehow caused her death.

Also, I'm a big fan of YukiatsuXAnaru. I loathe all the bullshit beating around the bush "romance" that happens in a lot of anime, so it's nice to see someone take initiative and actually go on the attack. And I think they would actually be a good couple, they at least seem to get along well, as we saw in this episode. I would like to think her crush on Jintan is simply that, a childhood crush, she'll get over it. Jintan and Tsuruko can continue to be forever alone, or sulk in the pool of their indecisiveness. ( I really like Tsuruko, but I don't see her ending up with anyone at the end, her and Yukiatsu don't seem like a good fit to me.)

farios
2011-06-10, 12:57
I'm currently expecting a flashback episode for the Super Peace Busters time, like how they met and how they all become friends or anything

EDIT: Oh, and of course the truth of 'that day'

Guardian Enzo
2011-06-10, 12:59
A speculation I have pertaining to Tsuruko...



I wonder if Tsuruko (kid) ended up getting into a scuffle with Menma? A scuffle that ultimately resulted in Menma falling off of that cliff and dying?

I don't think Tsuruko, or anybody else, deliberately pushed Menma off of the cliff - I think that's a bit darker than what Okada would aim for here - but I have to wonder if kid Tsuruko was jealous of Yukiatsu's feelings for Menma, and ended up getting into an ultimately disastrous fight with Menma over it.

That could help explain some of Tsuruko's actions and statements.

She might be wearing that old hairpin as a way to atone for how her actions helped caused Menma's death. Her suggestion that Menma's ghost might actually be there to attack them makes a bit more sense if Tsuruko feels that there's a good reason that Menma would want to attack her.

Just an idea I had that I felt might be worth sharing.

Honestly, I hope not.

My selfish hope for the ending is pretty simple. Menma died, but it wasn't anybody's fault. She helps Jintan deal with his pain, and everyone moves on. The message: sometimes bad things happen to good people, and it's no one's fault. Life is pain, but life is joy too - and you need to celebrate those that love you and appreciate every minute you have, and treasure the memories of the ones who aren't with you anymore.

Now, that may be too simple - not "dramatic" enough. But I think it's plenty, especially given the way this series has gloriously portrayed the power of simple, everyday emotions. I don't think it needs any "new" deaths, or shocking revelations about the old one, or any other theatrical stuff. I'd be very happy with a simple, humble coda that respects the characters and the pain they've been through and offers a little hope for the future.

Dr. Casey
2011-06-10, 13:02
A speculation I have pertaining to Tsuruko...



I wonder if Tsuruko (kid) ended up getting into a scuffle with Menma? A scuffle that ultimately resulted in Menma falling off of that cliff and dying?

I don't think Tsuruko, or anybody else, deliberately pushed Menma off of the cliff - I think that's a bit darker than what Okada would aim for here - but I have to wonder if kid Tsuruko was jealous of Yukiatsu's feelings for Menma, and ended up getting into an ultimately disastrous fight with Menma over it.

That could help explain some of Tsuruko's actions and statements.

She might be wearing that old hairpin as a way to atone for how her actions helped caused Menma's death. Her suggestion that Menma's ghost might actually be there to attack them makes a bit more sense if Tsuruko feels that there's a good reason that Menma would want to attack her.

Just an idea I had that I felt might be worth sharing.

Interesting... if something like that did indeed happen, I'd be curious to see what the fandom's reaction will be. Will people sympathize with Tsuruko, or will she be reviled and thought of as a total bitch (Not saying that thinking that way would be rational, but that kind of plot development could definitely spark a not-completely-rational backlash against her nonetheless like with Sekai from School Days, Mitsuki from Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien, etc)? That kind of twist would probably turn her into one of the show's more iconic characters, at any rate.

deadite
2011-06-10, 13:06
I don't think the ending will be so simple. The fireworks probably isn't Menma's wish but it will become symbolic in some way. There is still the unresolved Touko-Menma discussion which probably was the reason Menma wanted to meet with everyone.

Triple_R
2011-06-10, 13:52
I also don't think Tsuroko had anything to do with Menma's death. That would be completely out of nowhere and would make Tsuroko look really shitty.

I don't think it would be completely out of nowhere. It would help explain why Tsuruko was afraid that Ghost Menma might be out to attack them.

Now, it's possible that Okada gave Tsuruko that line simply to add some diversity of character viewpoints on Ghost Menma being there, and if so, that's fine. Still, Tsuruko is an interesting choice of a character to deliver that line if this is all it is about.

Right now, we have a *very* good idea of how Menma's death affected Jinta, Yukiatsu, and Anaru. That's been developed well.

By comparison, the way Menma's death impacted Tsuruko and Poppo has not been as well-explored. Now, in Poppo's case, he's a bit of a "fifth wheel" anyway. He's the only core cast member in this show not involved in the central romantic conflicts.

But Tusruko is the character that's been left the most understated and the most unexplored, in my view. So, part of me expects to see Tsuruko, and how Menma's death impacted her directly, explored a bit more deeply. Maybe that won't reveal anything particularly dramatic, but maybe it will.

I don't particularly care either way, except that I would like to see Tsuruko's character explored a bit more deeply in any event.


And again, theres been nothing to even suggest this, Menma has barely even acknowledged Tsuroko the entire series, which would be weird if she somehow caused her death.

Menma is clearly suffering from a bit of a memory block. How else can you explain her not even remembering what her wish was?

So it's possible that Tsuruko played a role in Menma's death, but Menma doesn't remember it.


Honestly, I hope not.

*Snip for space*

I largely agree with you here, but Menma's wish still needs to be addressed, and I'll be disappointed if it's just hand-waved.

Perhaps Menma's wish is for her friends to forgive themselves for how she died (which would be fitting given that tense sense between Menma's mom and Menma's surviving friends), and perhaps such a wish carries a bit more weight if, in fact, her friends did play a bit of an unintentional role in her death...

Kopi
2011-06-10, 13:53
Right now, the knowledge of Menma being real is tearing them apart even more. Jinta is now comfortable about openly communicating with Menma without realizing the harm he is causing to he others.

I was rather annoyed with Jintan on this. The way he seems really happy (not that he is without worry about Menma leaving) with this and calling to Menma affectionately while in fact, everyone was actually either troubled, suffering and frustrated with the revelation of Menma. Jintan open your eyes and look around you!

CWW
2011-06-10, 13:54
Based on this episode and next week's preview, I sense a train wreck is incoming. That firework platform is pretty darn high. D:

Not to mention Tsuruko hinting that something more happened on that faithful day. I was hoping Menma would recollect her memories by the river bank, but it seems the writer is resolute on waiting for one of the eyewitnesses to spill out The Reveal.

One thing's for certain: Naruko's love will remain unrequited while Menma exists. If Naruko and Yukiatsu get together I will rage so hard.

Iron Monkey
2011-06-10, 14:01
My theory is that Jintan is actually dying (or is going to die somehow) and Menma's "mission" (or wish) is to stop this event from happening. The last episode will have Menma save Jintan, and she will disappear after that.

Flower
2011-06-10, 14:39
8/10 vote for this episode from me.

Another wonderful and moving episode ... and Tsuruko's actions do seem a but suspicious - but I am going to hold off on speculation (this time!) and wait for next week's ep to get more info....

kitten320
2011-06-10, 15:33
Try 11 episodes - not 12!

To be clear - I don't expect Jinta to literally kill himself, even if the death theory is correct (and I am by no means convinced). I would say, rather, that if it does happen it would be in line with the earlier foreshadowings of an illness - the nosebleeds, the fainting, etc. Maybe with an implication that his body has kind of given up on this life.

Of course, the observation that Jintan will be working on the bridge is a good one - and highly unlikely to be coincidental.

For real? I see a proper ending even less now -_-

foxnaught
2011-06-10, 15:33
^Maybe because Menma just needs to have an association with the thing, such as the fact Menma's mother made muffins in the past.

What I don't get is what happens to shrimp after Menma eats them.

They start to haunt the Jintan of the shrimp world? :p

Great episode! But why do I feel that things are getting more complicated instead of resolved?

I so hope they won't rush the ending.



I'm torn. I also don't want a rushed ending, but I now want to see some exploration of the romances that popped up in this episode :)

... or go the yaoi route with Popo. Great episode.

Judging by Popo's fetish, he'll have a tough time getting any action :p

cyth
2011-06-10, 16:44
After last week's episode I wrote (https://twitter.com/#!/lythka/status/76997662783700992) that the solution to all problems would be Jintan killing himself. Already, when he fell down that cliff I was certain that that was his demise. It was probably not, but my reasoning is thus following:

1. While Jintan supposedly starts off as the fuckup of the group, he doesn't give off that vibe at all. Yukiatsu, Anaru and Poppo beat him in this department.

2. AnoHana isn't shy to show that her characters are selfish human beings, in particular Yukiatsu, Anaru, and now Tsuruko. Menma may be the same as the rest.

3. Okada Mari writes for otaku, and otaku want shocking things to happen. I can see this series being written into history books if it executes Jintan's death in some kind of politically incorrect way. It would be, in my estimates, the biggest thing to happen in anime since Evangelion, and I'm getting chills just thinking about it.

Putting all three points together, I think that Menma isn't any different from the rest of the group. She's known to hide her true feelings and her childish naivete may help shield herself from her real wishes, but I honestly think that her wish is to be with Jintan. Jintan obviously still wants to be with her. I think the worldview of the series is fairly grounded in reality, and while one could argue it's not, since Menma is a ghost and all, I think the writers are conscious of our inability to stretch the suspense of disbelief so much that we would accept Menma's revival. Reincarnation is one possible scenario, but I feel like it's been done to death in anime. It would come off even more shocking if Menma were to be directly involved in Jintan's death, but he is the biggest fuckup of the group and he hasn't really proven that to us at all. So one could say that Menma's secret wish is for Jintan to kill himself.

After this episode, I'm finally on the fanboy wagon. :D

LittleLamb
2011-06-10, 17:15
Oh My....
I almost cried when I watched this episode :'( Everyone had moment and Poor Tsuruko and Poppo had a little moment when he was talking to Menma... Aaaah! Soooo... GOOD.
Also, Yukiatsu and Anaru; smart move with the tears thing.

I laughed, when Jinta had trouble answering Yukiatsu's question bout Menma being beautiful and such. Also, the ending was a real eye opener. So Jinta really does have feelings for Menma. Ofc it was obvious; but we're able to see him express it, ONLY to take it back.

miketyson
2011-06-10, 18:19
I have another question near the end.

The big carp: it's some kind of a ghost, right? It seems like we get a good look at it but it's just a shadow; when it comes to the surface there's nothing there.

Am I missing something? Miss-seeing it?

cyth: it's interesting how neatly the romance issues tie up without a living Jinta in the picture: Yukiatsu and Anjou, Poppo and Tsuruko, Jinta and Menma. Too bad for Jinta's dad, but he's a pretty chill guy.

It might be fun to sketch up maximally shocking endings, though this isn't really the thread to do it in.

Suppose Jinta dies when he goes in the water, but doesn't figure it out for awhile. When he does find out he kills ghost-Menma in fury. Shocking!

Suppose Tsuruko really did kill Menma -- pushed her down the hill or something -- and it was just to get to Yukiatsu. She kills Jinta by the river, too, and he's dead dead -- no ghost -- leaving it up to Menma to convince the other 3 surviving peace busters Tsuruko is a killer. Shocking!

Etc...

HayashiTakara
2011-06-10, 18:31
My theory is that Jintan is actually dying (or is going to die somehow) and Menma's "mission" (or wish) is to stop this event from happening. The last episode will have Menma save Jintan, and she will disappear after that.

I don't think this will happen. The story to me seems to be about being able to move on with your life from tragedy. Jinta dying would put a massive set back on this, making the pain on everyone else even greater, particularly Anaru.

Jinta is going to come to terms with everything in the last episode, and that'll lead to Menma finally passing on.

Tsuruko needs to drop her passive-aggressive personality if she wants to get through to Yukiatsu. Of course I don't see Anaru dating him, seeing as she doesn't see him in that light, and Yukiatsu himself is still trying to find his way through all this. His proposal to Anaru is more than likely to be an attempt to try move on from the past.

ThereminVox
2011-06-10, 18:56
I don't think this will happen. The story to me seems to be about being able to move on with your life from tragedy. Jinta dying would put a massive set back on this, making the pain on everyone else even greater, particularly Anaru.

I agree. From the start, the series presented the problem as Menma's death causing a group of young lives to go either into various states of arrested development, or otherwise careening off-course. If the theme of eternal love were more central, maybe it would be more suitable.

What troubles me isn't that I think Jintan's death would be appropriate, but rather that even if it weren't, it could still work given the pieces of the puzzle we have. Enzo already touched on the clear symbolism of the river scene, and that fits. Jintan's nosebleeds are probably not a flag, but they still could end up working as one in hindsight. It might even explain why he can see her, since we seemed to witness Menma watching a ghostly fish Jintan never saw.

Regardless, I hope that's not what they do, not because I don't think they could pull it off, but because I think the story of processing the deep wound of grief with the help of one's friends is a more compelling, more human story.

miketyson
2011-06-10, 19:09
On a more serious note: Jinta doesn't seem to be developing in a positive way in this episode, at least not compared to anyone else. Or, at least, that's my thoughts: he's getting a little too comfortable around Menma, and he's more distant from everyone else than he had been before the visit to Menma's mom split the group for awhile.

So Jinta, himself, might be a bit happier and more determined these days, but it's not really in a healthy, "getting over the past" way. Am I misinterpreting this episode?

HayashiTakara
2011-06-10, 19:18
On a more serious note: Jinta doesn't seem to be developing in a positive way in this episode, at least not compared to anyone else. Or, at least, that's my thoughts: he's getting a little too comfortable around Menma, and he's more distant from everyone else than he had been before the visit to Menma's mom split the group for awhile.

So Jinta, himself, might be a bit happier and more determined these days, but it's not really in a healthy, "getting over the past" way. Am I misinterpreting this episode?

No, you're right. From my perspective, Jinta is actually coming to terms with his feelings for her. He's been denying himself of it for a long time. Now that he's coming to realization and acceptance, his next step is learning to let go.

Tempester
2011-06-10, 19:29
After last week's episode I wrote (https://twitter.com/#!/lythka/status/76997662783700992) that the solution to all problems would be Jintan killing himself. Already, when he fell down that cliff I was certain that that was his demise. It was probably not, but my reasoning is thus following:

1. While Jintan supposedly starts off as the fuckup of the group, he doesn't give off that vibe at all. Yukiatsu, Anaru and Poppo beat him in this department.

2. AnoHana isn't shy to show that her characters are selfish human beings, in particular Yukiatsu, Anaru, and now Tsuruko. Menma may be the same as the rest.

3. Okada Mari writes for otaku, and otaku want shocking things to happen. I can see this series being written into history books if it executes Jintan's death in some kind of politically incorrect way. It would be, in my estimates, the biggest thing to happen in anime since Evangelion, and I'm getting chills just thinking about it.

Putting all three points together, I think that Menma isn't any different from the rest of the group. She's known to hide her true feelings and her childish naivete may help shield herself from her real wishes, but I honestly think that her wish is to be with Jintan. Jintan obviously still wants to be with her. I think the worldview of the series is fairly grounded in reality, and while one could argue it's not, since Menma is a ghost and all, I think the writers are conscious of our inability to stretch the suspense of disbelief so much that we would accept Menma's revival. Reincarnation is one possible scenario, but I feel like it's been done to death in anime. It would come off even more shocking if Menma were to be directly involved in Jintan's death, but he is the biggest fuckup of the group and he hasn't really proven that to us at all. So one could say that Menma's secret wish is for Jintan to kill himself.

The contents of this post feel wrong and scary in so many ways. Until I read it I was under the impression that we would almost definitely get a standard ending with everyone getting over Menma and Menma herself disappearing, with Jintan's current development just being a major obstacle towards that goal. I never even considered the series ending as nasty as you're suggesting. What's even scarier is that Okada Mari might be good enough to pull off such a twist. But so far I haven't seen a hint of evil intent in Menma's words and actions.

icatero
2011-06-10, 19:30
I don't see why some people are accusing Yukiatsu of trying to one-up Jinta by going out with Anaru. I agree with those who say he's just trying to move on, and is hoping he and Anaru will hep each other out. It might not be real love, but it's definitely healthier than pining after Menma (a dead girl) and Jinta (who is in love with a ghost only he can see).

<strike>But even healthier? Going out with someone who's always been there for you.</strike> I hope Yukiatsu notices Tsuruko soon. Maybe her witnessing YukiatsuAnaru will be enough to set her off? I can't really imagine her doing anything, though. She's been by Yukiatsu's side for years and never said a word.

CWW
2011-06-10, 20:56
Really, no one came out of this reveal particularly well, not even Menma. I wouldn't be surprised if it will cause ripples of inner desires, selfish behaviour and eventually a trip to the psychiatric house within the group, complete with straitjackets. It remains to be seen if death will be a major theme in the last two episodes, but the signs are there.

Someone hold me.

FlareKnight
2011-06-10, 21:24
This was an interesting episode just to see everyone dealing with things. Wonder what Poppo really wanted to ask Menma. Did he just want to know what exactly happened that caused her death? Or was it more about knowing if she blamed him (since it seems like everyone has some self blame going on here).

Tsuruko also has had some curious responses. Maybe just because that's the way she is, but seemed to be pretty pessimistic about how Menma felt about them. Things like the reason she can't move on is because she hasn't forgiven them. Wonder what she thinks Menma shouldn't be able to forgive her for? Do like the theory that she might have had something more direct to do with what happened. If she saw the guy she liked getting shot down like that....

Anaru is having a tough time dealing with things too. Menma being there is one thing, but also her feelings towards Jintan are difficult. Right now feeling that same that she can't compete with Menma and is avoiding things. Going back home was just exchanging avoiding her mother to avoiding Jintan. Things just can't be left hanging after what happened in the earlier episode. Certainly isn't going to be able to compete if she keeps it inside until she has to run off and cry somewhere.

Yukiatsu...is well Yukiatsu. Guy has a lot of rage built up in there. Can't help but think a good deal about the motivation to help Menma move on is to just rip her away from Jintan. If he could see her he probably would be just as reluctant to have her move on as anyone. Still will need to work things out eventually.

No, you're right. From my perspective, Jinta is actually coming to terms with his feelings for her. He's been denying himself of it for a long time. Now that he's coming to realization and acceptance, his next step is learning to let go.Yeah there's no way he could let her go or anything like that until he first acknowledged his feelings for her. First he has to go through things like this where he really doesn't want her to move on and leave. Maybe now he can start working on letting her move on.

I don't see why some people are accusing Yukiatsu of trying to one-up Jinta by going out with Anaru. I agree with those who say he's just trying to move on, and is hoping he and Anaru will hep each other out. It might not be real love, but it's definitely healthier than pining after Menma (a dead girl) and Jinta (who is in love with a ghost only he can see).

<strike>But even healthier? Going out with someone who's always been there for you.</strike> I hope Yukiatsu notices Tsuruko soon. Maybe her witnessing YukiatsuAnaru will be enough to set her off? I can't really imagine her doing anything, though. She's been by Yukiatsu's side for years and never said a word.I think it's understandable for some to view Yukiatsu that way. One of the most powerful feelings for him in this series has been his disdain/jealousy/anger towards Jintan. As much as directing things towards Anaru might be an attempt to move on it could be equally motivated by an attempt to attack Jintan. Kind of a "hey I've got a living girlfriend here that used to like you." Just not sure I can completely discount his actions having a negative Jintan side to them.

Cal-Reflector
2011-06-10, 21:54
Hopefully next episode will shed light on Yukiatsu' motive in asking Anaru out.

First time? "He's teasing her," "He's testing her," "He's trying to one-up Jin-tan."
Second time? "He's trying to one-up Jintan."

Or maybe poor Yukiatsu just wants to date a nice girl; Anaru is a hot childhood friend who is refreshingly pure and the two are in the same pity party. He understands her, and she cries on his shoulders (figuratively).

wtfATOM
2011-06-10, 22:01
Maybe im too fixated on the jintan x anaru couple but ....WTF YUKIATSU

HayashiTakara
2011-06-10, 22:17
IIRC, didn't Yukiatsu asked Tsuruko to be his gf before? But she rejected him know that he was still obsessed with Menma?

AmyElizzabeth
2011-06-10, 22:59
Tsuruko was kind of suspicious to me. I understand that even a very "chill" person would be afraid of a ghost, but that kind of seems unlike her, even if we don't know that much.
And why would Menma want to attack them if they didn't really do anything?
I'm kind of just re-stating what others have said xD but, hey.
There's probably way more to her than they're showing.
And I didn't understand the carp thing..

icatero
2011-06-11, 01:46
I can kind of understand Tsuruko's wary behavior. Keep in mind that she hasn't seen Menma since they were kids: she can't see Menma's actions and behavior the way Jinta does. And just like the others, she probably feels a lot of guilt over Menma's death (although interestingly enough, she was the only one who told everyone to drop the subject of Jinta liking Menma).

She probably hasn't forgiven herself, and finds it hard to see that Menma is here just because she wants her wish granted. Tsuruko has always tried to be more rational and realistic, and Jinta's stated reason for Menma coming back probably sounds like something out of a fairytale for her.

guuchan
2011-06-11, 01:57
I don't know what the hell to think at this point.

Shit, I'm rightly overwhelmed at this point.

Same here.

I think this is the first episode that I don't really have anything to say, other than to those who kept hanging onto the point why Jinta didn't try to prove Menma's existence earlier: Yukiatsu "attempted" to explain it this episode, be it the real reason or not.

For now, I just want to see the next episode. That's all.

MeoTwister5
2011-06-11, 05:33
Just beyond the river's edge. (http://meotwister5.wordpress.com/2011/06/11/ano-hana-ep9-just-beyond-the-rivers-edge/)

Two episodes left to the end, it makes me wonder if the fireworks display may also be for Menma’s mother. Clearly this event they’re planning is both for Menma’s and their own benefits, but perhaps it may be that should her mother see it, it will be a catharsis for her as well. So far the only character with no signs of reaching her own resolution is Menma’s mother, and by extension Menma’s brother. Maybe two episodes might be a tad bit short, but she has clearly been affected by the event just as much as Menma’s friends has, if not more. As I had said before I cannot speak about a mother’s pain on losing her daughter, but we have seen that she has been frozen in that day just as much as everyone else has. She needs to find her own release just as everyone else will have theirs.

The fireworks could do just that.

fazer
2011-06-11, 06:32
I was rather annoyed with Jintan on this. The way he seems really happy (not that he is without worry about Menma leaving) with this and calling to Menma affectionately while in fact, everyone was actually either troubled, suffering and frustrated with the revelation of Menma. Jintan open your eyes and look around you!

Yea I totally agree with this point. If only he opens his eyes and realize the damage he is inflicting. I hate seeing Anjo feel so bad...

mellomarie
2011-06-11, 07:29
Hopefully next episode will shed light on Yukiatsu' motive in asking Anaru out.

First time? "He's teasing her," "He's testing her," "He's trying to one-up Jin-tan."
Second time? "He's trying to one-up Jintan."

Or maybe poor Yukiatsu just wants to date a nice girl; Anaru is a hot childhood friend who is refreshingly pure and the two are in the same pity party. He understands her, and she cries on his shoulders (figuratively).

i one hundred precent agree with you.

there might be an element of trying to one-up jintan, it's obvious that yukiatsu is extremely insecure when it comes to him. however he's been nothing but genuine with her.

not to mention it's obvious he just wants to move on from menma (even though recent events are making it difficult) and anaru is slowly starting to realise jintan is a lost cause.

i like them together. they've got great chemistry and i don't think there are ulterior motives on yukiatsu's front. yukiatsu seemed to enjoy talking/flirting with anaru and vice versa.

as for those saying "why doesn't he just get with tsuruko, she's been by his side all this time!". idk, maybe he just doesn't see her in a romantic light? or is even attracted to her for that matter. personally, i don't see their relationship as romantic at all. there have been some hints to tsuruko's feelings might being something more but all of their interactions have been so...cold and platonic.

meanwhile, yukiatsu is laughing and smiling with anaru.

PzIVf3
2011-06-11, 08:23
This could be unbearable unhappy ending.

HayashiTakara
2011-06-11, 10:55
i one hundred precent agree with you.

there might be an element of trying to one-up jintan, it's obvious that yukiatsu is extremely insecure when it comes to him. however he's been nothing but genuine with her.

not to mention it's obvious he just wants to move on from menma (even though recent events are making it difficult) and anaru is slowly starting to realise jintan is a lost cause.

i like them together. they've got great chemistry and i don't think there are ulterior motives on yukiatsu's front. yukiatsu seemed to enjoy talking/flirting with anaru and vice versa.

as for those saying "why doesn't he just get with tsuruko, she's been by his side all this time!". idk, maybe he just doesn't see her in a romantic light? or is even attracted to her for that matter. personally, i don't see their relationship as romantic at all. there have been some hints to tsuruko's feelings might being something more but all of their interactions have been so...cold and platonic.

meanwhile, yukiatsu is laughing and smiling with anaru.

It's all Tsuruko's fault, she's the passive-aggressive type. I think it's plain as day that she likes him, but combined with her personality and his insane obsession with Menma, it's hard for anything to happen.

Jinta can't be a lost cause because er... Menma's dead? The events with ghost Menma will end soon, and he'll move on.

It's a matter of how the author is going to play out the future of these kids. I have a feeling that we'll have an epilogue at the last episode, showing what everyone is doing after the fact.

mellomarie
2011-06-11, 13:17
It's all Tsuruko's fault, she's the passive-aggressive type. I think it's plain as day that she likes him, but combined with her personality and his insane obsession with Menma, it's hard for anything to happen.

too true. moreover i think a part of tsuroko is totally fine with being complacent and just maintaining the status quo in their relationship, i.e. simply pining for him. i'd be really interested in seeing how she was like with yukiatsu when they were younger--did she know that yukiatsu was going to confess to menma?

Jinta can't be a lost cause because er... Menma's dead? The events with ghost Menma will end soon, and he'll move on.

lost cause in emotionally reciprocating anjo's feelings. it's obvious jintan is hopelessly in love with a dead girl--menma's ghost isn't exactly doing much good BUT cementing those feelings.

plus there's the issue of jintan not even thinking about anjo's confession. he didn't bother to give her a response. like anjo said, it's always been jintan and menma.

It's a matter of how the author is going to play out the future of these kids. I have a feeling that we'll have an epilogue at the last episode, showing what everyone is doing after the fact.

that'd be neat. i just wish this series was longer but i'm sure the excellent pacing/quality of the show is in part due to how short it is.

CWW
2011-06-11, 13:19
Jinta in an asylum wearing a straitjacket.
Naruko and Yukiatsu unhappily married involving domnestic violence.
Tsuruko growing old and dying alone.
Poppo arrested and convicted for possession of heroine during his trips.

:uhoh:

Guardian Enzo
2011-06-11, 14:15
Given that this series has likely transcended even the most optimistic hopes A-1 had for DVD/BD sales, it's not impossible we could see an unplanned second season at some point. These kids 5 years later, maybe, in college?

Dr. Casey
2011-06-11, 15:43
Yeah, maybe this will turn into a long-running franchise.

Season 0: Prequel series covering the Super Peace Busters' childhood; the last episode concludes with their dissolution after Menma's death (Up through Menma's death five years or whatever before the series starts)
Season 1: AnoHana (2011)
Season 2: Like Enzo suggested, this will be AnoHana, the college years (2014-2017ish)
Season 3: The Peace Busters all find love and get married (Jintan with Anaru, Yukiatsu with Tsuruko, Poppo with some girl he meets during his travels) [2018-2020ish]
Season 4: The Peace Busters all have kids and contend with the various trials and tribulations of early parenthood (Early 2020s)
Season 5: This season covers the Peace Busters in the thick of family life, with their kids all in elementary school or middle school (Late 2020s, early 2030s)
Season 6: The Peace Busters' kids all leave for college or university, the gang having to come to terms with the loneliness of an empty nest :[ (Late 2030s, early 2040s)
Season 7: The Peace Busters' golden years. The first episode centers around them all quitting the jobs they've held since around season three, with the rest of the season consisting of them going with Poppo on some of his worldly travels, Jintan, Anaru, Yukiatsu, Tsuruko, and Poppo spending their post-retirement years traveling and partying hard. (Mid-late 2050s)
Season 8: The Peace Busters' twilight years. The group is in ailing health from their advanced ages; Jintan has Alzheimer's, Yukiatsu suffered a stroke and is confined to a wheelchair, etc. Episodes 6 through 11 each focus upon the final days of a different Peace Buster, each of whom dies at the end of their episode. The series concludes with Jintan himself dying after a lifetime of peace busting, the era of their group of friends fading into history. (Early 2070s through early 2080s)

That is the future waiting for the AnoHana franchise, imo.

katsudon
2011-06-11, 16:19
Jinta in an asylum wearing a straitjacket.
Naruko and Yukiatsu unhappily married involving domnestic violence.
Tsuruko growing old and dying alone.
Poppo arrested and convicted for possession of heroine during his trips.

:uhoh:

how about....
menma goes away after her wish is fulfilled
naruko and yukiatsu hooks up
tsuruko kills naruko school days style
jintan and yukiatsu can't bare the guilt over naruko's death
naruko shows up as a ghost in AnoHana part 2
poppo still a side character but visits tsuruko in prison

HayashiTakara
2011-06-11, 21:49
too true. moreover i think a part of tsuroko is totally fine with being complacent and just maintaining the status quo in their relationship, i.e. simply pining for him. i'd be really interested in seeing how she was like with yukiatsu when they were younger--did she know that yukiatsu was going to confess to menma?



lost cause in emotionally reciprocating anjo's feelings. it's obvious jintan is hopelessly in love with a dead girl--menma's ghost isn't exactly doing much good BUT cementing those feelings.

plus there's the issue of jintan not even thinking about anjo's confession. he didn't bother to give her a response. like anjo said, it's always been jintan and menma.



that'd be neat. i just wish this series was longer but i'm sure the excellent pacing/quality of the show is in part due to how short it is.

Jinta, can't give her a response. He has his own issues he needs to deal with first. Because the theme is about being able to cope and move on, Jinta is gonna need someone to catch him.

Anaru is the only one of his friends that can do that. Popo is... well Popo, he's gonna leave again for more wild sex adventures around the world. Yukiatsu hates him. Tsuruko is... er... indifferent. What's left? A father that's unwilling to be a proper parent?

ZODDGUTS
2011-06-12, 00:15
Eh, Jinta had he's chance with her but dropped it. Cant blame her if she gives up on him and decides to accept Yukiatsu's date. Time to move on girl.

guuchan
2011-06-12, 02:19
Didn't know this thread has turned into a speculation thread. :heh:

But in all fairness, I will seriously be shocked if I see anything other than a bittersweet ending.

Pellissier
2011-06-12, 02:59
Didn't know this thread has turned into a speculation thread. :heh:
True. People, please remind there's a speculation thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=103935) in this subforum if you want to guess what's going to happen in the near or far away future.

Several persons haven't watched episode 9 yet, as subs became available only two days ago, so they might refrain from posting their thoughts about this episode if they see that the thread takes another direction.

mellomarie
2011-06-12, 08:41
Jinta, can't give her a response. He has his own issues he needs to deal with first. Because the theme is about being able to cope and move on, Jinta is gonna need someone to catch him.

Anaru is the only one of his friends that can do that. Popo is... well Popo, he's gonna leave again for more wild sex adventures around the world. Yukiatsu hates him. Tsuruko is... er... indifferent. What's left? A father that's unwilling to be a proper parent?

he can't give her a proper response but he can ask to change shifts? idk that conversation was a perfect opportunity to say something meaningful albeit short. perhaps it will be discussed in a later episode but so far i'm not buying the "he's busy" excuse.

plus jintan doesn't seem like he wants to move on, much less with anjou. he just told menma he wants her to stay forever, even if she's a poltergeist lol. i think jintan needs to find it in himself to move on IF he's even willing too. anjou doesn't seem like she's getting through considering the reaction to her big speech.

Kirarakim
2011-06-12, 10:52
I am more of a Jintan/Anaru fan than Jintan/Menma but the scene at the stream/pond with Menma & Jintan just might have been my favorite moment in the series so far....so much feeling.


I also enjoyed the interaction with Yukiatsu/Anaru but I hope Yukiatsu realizes he already has a great girl in Tsuroko and he doesn't need to compare himself to Jintan.

taichi-kun
2011-06-12, 12:36
I feel really bad for tsuruko,poor it's so unfair...she helped yukiatsu and was always with him ...

But at the same time I'm ok with anjou-yukiatsu pairing because I hate yadomi( because he didn't answer to anjou's confession)

achirist
2011-06-12, 20:22
Jinta is such a dense, empty, idiotic tool. He really does want to selfishly keep menma for himself while utterly ignoring the real people around him who's emotional needs are not being met. Menma's presence is the greatest barrier to anyone healing emotionally, or making real romantic contact. I sympathize strongly with Yukiatsu. Maybe his passes at Anaru will cause yadomi and Tsuruko to wake up and take action.

And to me, I it doesn't look like menma has "grown as much as we have"--she seems much shorter than anyone in the group. I'm glad she could make poppoo admit to his serious eating/weight problem, but apparently they aren't going to actually go into that, and he will go on as the fat otaku in the group who no one looks at with any real interest.

fazer
2011-06-12, 22:11
Jinta is such a dense, empty, idiotic tool. He really does want to selfishly keep menma for himself while utterly ignoring the real people around him who's emotional needs are not being met. Menma's presence is the greatest barrier to anyone healing emotionally, or making real romantic contact. I sympathize strongly with Yukiatsu. Maybe his passes at Anaru will cause yadomi and Tsuruko to wake up and take action.

And to me, I it doesn't look like menma has "grown as much as we have"--she seems much shorter than anyone in the group. I'm glad she could make poppoo admit to his serious eating/weight problem, but apparently they aren't going to actually go into that, and he will go on as the fat otaku in the group who no one looks at with any real interest.

He is definitely an idiot...but I don't think he intends to keep Menma selfishly for himself, it could simply be he has too much attachment to Menma now.
- He was the first to feel and see Menma, and still is the only one to really, its hard to let go especially for the past few years he have been so ridden with guilt of her death.
- Plus the fact, she was his only companion for quite a while.Seeing her everyday at home, coming home to her. Its a much warmer environment then what he had.

But...he is still an idiot for being so blind towards Anjo...

I believe if Yukiatsu was the only one with can see Menma, the situation for Yukiatsu might be even worse, I feel he is just as caught up if not more then Jinta, he tried to reproduce elements of Menma's presence...the dress, the hair clip.

But the inability to see Menma is actually saving Yukiatsu. Yukiatsu stopped cosplaying and have express his desire to move forward...while Jinta who can see Menma is stuck in situation without a future! Maybe Menma is haunting Jinta lol

I think Menma have grown abit physically, but mentally she doesn't seems to have progress. Her behavior is still childish. She doesn't exhibit any form of shyness when in close contact with Jinta, and I think it make more senses this way...how can an apparition experience puberty and hence feel shy?

guuchan
2011-06-12, 22:23
Jinta is such a dense, empty, idiotic tool. He really does want to selfishly keep menma for himself while utterly ignoring the real people around him who's emotional needs are not being met. Menma's presence is the greatest barrier to anyone healing emotionally, or making real romantic contact. I sympathize strongly with Yukiatsu. Maybe his passes at Anaru will cause yadomi and Tsuruko to wake up and take action.

That is a lot of hate. :heh:

I'm not trying to defend Jinta, but not everyone's life is a smooth sail we do get into slumps somewhere along our lives. More for some, less for others, none for those really lucky ones. In Jinta's case, it might seem pretty long of a slump but I can somehow relate to it, as I just got out of one myself not too long ago. When you are in a slump, you tend to go for easy way out, you tend to hide in your comfort zone, and that is what Jinta is doing and not doing (i.e. not responding to Anaru's feelings). It doesn't neccessarily mean the person will behave that way for the rest of his life. Some people can climb out of the slump themselves, others need a push on their backs. Apparently Jinta belongs to the latter case, with Menma being the one who's giving the push. His slump began with Menma; I believe the show will show us how it ends with Menma.

With that said, however, I don't think that's the reason why Jinta didn't try to prove Menma's existence. Sure, he does wish for Menma to stay by his side, but as I mentioned in last episode's thread, notice that he looked surprised when Menma proved her existence? He didn't look upset (i.e. being against it), nor did he look relieved (i.e. "Menma does it finally, thank god"); he was almost just as surprised as others. That led me to think that the reason why he didn't try to do it earlier was related to Menma, or out of some kind of consideration of Menma.

Master Chibi
2011-06-12, 22:35
I think he wants to stay stuck in that comfort zone.

The more he realizes that granting her wish but result with her fading away the more he may come to terms with everything. Ending up as a social recluse was the easy way out, and not having to deal with it is aided by working to grant Menma's wish. He's had a one track mind since this started, and once he reaches the end of the track he might be scared on where should be going to next.

IMO~

Deconstructor
2011-06-16, 16:53
I like Anohana... because it's strangely predictable. I wrote this one month ago in the episode 5 discussion; if my post is too long just look at the bold text.

Indeed, Yukiatsu pretending to like Anaru is quite likely. But, here's another possibility. Yukiatsu and Anaru share the common trait of unrequited love. In the complex love dodecahedron, they are the ones looking from the outside in. Logical Yukiatsu thinks about his options: His crush for life is dead, and Tsuruko seems to be keeping her distance (especially after Yukiatsu's recent revelation as Menma). So there's only one possibility left: Anaru. "Want to go out?" proposes the troubled, lost Yukiatsu. Meanwhile, Anaru is dealing with some peer pressure. With no signs of mutual attraction from Yadomi, Anaru starts falling back into her previous social role to find emotional solace. She hangs out with her "friends" at the karaoke bar, and nearly gets date-raped by some random dude sitting with them.

They both have major issues with their lives, both as a result of unrequited love. If one way love losers can cope with their problems is by comforting each other... then far be it from the viewers to judge Yukiatsu and Anaru. Better Anaru go out with a narcissistic cross-dresser than some guy who goes to sleep early to watch One Piece. (Have you no pride as an otaku?! Use caffeine pills, dood!!!) Their casual relationship could work out great, as Yukiatsu and Anaru don't actually love each other. They just need someone close, by their side...

I will now directly contradict myself by accusing them of escapism. Since Yukiatsu and Anaru can't be with their true loves, they have to settle for each other? What happened to the dream of never giving up hope, the dream of true love always winning out in the end? Maybe Anohana seeks to subvert these wishes and portray them as unrealistic. After all, Menma's death shattered the childhood dreams of the Super Peace Busters. Ouch... they all had a very hard time coming back to reality.

Actually, scratch what I just said above; I don't know what real love is. People getting together - not with those they love the most - but with those who understand them the most... kind of touching, in it's own rational, realistic type of way. Because Anaru and Yukiatsu have their problems rooted deeply in love, they can understand each other and be there to support one another. Hey, works for me.

I'll even speculate! Yukiatsu and Anaru will become a couple by the ending. :kisskiss:

Of course, Yukiatsu could be trolling me and sadistically exploiting Anaru for his own self-comfort. In the above case... man, you really do have issues.

This concludes my weekly Anohana post. You may now return to reading things you actually enjoy.

At this point, the possibility of Yukiatsu and Anaru is definitely more plausible than it was 4 episodes ago. Anaru realizes she cannot get in-between Menma and Jinta; Yukiatsu realizes the same. What are two love rejects to do but love each other?

As for the episode, I was not deeply moved by any of the events or usual tears. The scene where Jinta pulls Menma away from the river was pleasant. However, now that the mystique of Menma's existence is gone, a good deal of tension and drama has disappeared from the show. Drama is the main reason I watch Anohana... I like seeing people cry and yell at each other. I am messed up.

Episode 9 Rating: 8.5/10 (B)

Kyuu
2011-06-16, 20:22
Alright. Just the very first 4 minutes of this episode -- has me trippin' LOLs. :heh::D