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Pellissier
2011-06-16, 07:41
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deadite
2011-06-16, 12:08
That was an emotional roller coaster

Mizz-Bubblez
2011-06-16, 12:11
^Spoilers pretty please : D ?

shibakun
2011-06-16, 12:42
Well , just to put a brief note on the keypoints of this episode for those who didn't watch the raw:

1) Menma's father convinced the mother to watch the fireworks along with their son.

2) The gang forced Jintan to confess how he currently feels about Menma at the hideout. He finally says "he likes her" and this causes Anjou to leave the meeting along with Tsuruko.

3) Tsuruko's & Anjou talk about their feelings for the ones they like and how they are both unrequited. Anjou is crying non-stop (because of Jintan's indirect rejection) and clarifies that it's truly Jintan that she likes and not Yukiatsu. So it's still :

Anaru -- > Jintan --> Menma <-- Yukiatsu <-- Tsuruko

4) Yukiatsu has a short freaky moment with his Menma wig. (in short, the scene is saying that he is still 'stuck' with Menma)

5) The firework construction comes to an end and the gang (along with Menma's family) watch it explode in the sky.

6) Menma is still there after the firework display and everyone is now questioning Jintan and her wish.

Lastly, Tsuruko cuts her hair!!! NO!!!!! :( I personally am not fond of her short hair. ;/ sadface

Well, that was a very "short" input on what happened but when you guys get the chance to watch it, it will be one heck of an emotional roller coaster :D

Sebasu
2011-06-16, 12:45
This episode went back to being emotionally heavy again just like episode 8. Menmom's scene really got me into tears. Also Anaru and Tsuruko's exchange. Once again, Haruka Tomatsu nailed it (and back-to-back with her performance as Msyu in [C] as well).

I was still hoping for more Tsuruko but I'm still glad she got more lines other than just "Yukiatsu..." (:heh: she only said her signature line once iirc). I really felt bad for her just from the start of the episode already. I love how she stalked and interrupted Yukiatsu and Anaru's date though.

I'm shocked she also cut her hair off at the end of the episode.
http://i55.tinypic.com/52z9dd.png

Oh, and Yukiatsu's back to being creepy with him sniffing again. This time the scene is longer and much more awkward to watch.

As I expected, the fireworks are only red herring and Menma is still there. Can't wait to see how it'll end next week.

Next week's preview shows Tsuruko breaking down.
http://i54.tinypic.com/2wddnon.png

mayumi
2011-06-16, 12:54
It really sucks for the girls anaru and tsukuro really. Its bad for yukiatsu aswell but if he wanted to move on atleast tsukuro is still there for him. Anaru on the other hand might not get jintan. Always competing with menma's memory. its besy for her to move on from the whole group itself.

miketyson
2011-06-16, 13:57
Let's not forget:

Tsuruko giving away a lot of helpful information about Yukiatsu to the girls who'd been after him earliier, matter-of-factly telling the girls his hobby is wearing women's clothing, and walking off. Tsuruko made good on her threat from way back when.

But, overall, another week another episode full of surprises. Whatever happens in the finale is going to be a real doozy at this point. As always I have some theories but they'll almost surely be proven wrong.

pampz21
2011-06-16, 13:57
Wow....that was painfully awkward to watch!!

hentai Yukiatsu came back to lyf and hes so funny at the end!!!

He was like "huh?? whatttttttttttt???? is she still they huh???/ Oi Yadomi!!!!! What did you do????!!!"

Manji Midou
2011-06-16, 14:11
if it weren't for yukiatsu's creepy act.... then popo would had taken my most awkward disturbing alarm setting switch on. hmm l bet mr popo has some skeletons in his closet.

.x.crii.x.
2011-06-16, 14:35
Was I the only who was crying endlessly while they were forcing Jintan to come clean about his feelings? D; And then when the rocket firework lit up and the ED started playing, I completely lost it....even though I knew Menma

wouldn't disappear. It really got to me. ;(

Anyway 10000000/10. BEST SHOW THIS SEASON.

BRB. Gonna go cry some more. I can't even imagine the emotional wreck I'm going to be next week when the final ep airs. D:

serenade_beta
2011-06-16, 14:41
As much as I like this anime, I have to say it was hard taking this episode seriously. I was laughing so hard, I almost choked on my dumpling...
It was still fun to watch though. Just... in a different meaning.

The rocket part, Jintan's emotions towards Menma disappearing, Anal crying, and Poppo's feelings were done good.
Kind of surprised it was solved so quickly though @ Menpapa defeating Menmama, but still okay.

But Yukiatsu was terrifically priceless. Be it saying "It is something only Anal can do!", be it talking to a wig, be it jealousy (again and again), be it the last part where he was so damn panicked.
Tsuruko's little thing towards Yukiatsu and her confessing to the audience and pretty much everything surrounding this plot point just felt... odd? Fast? It just didn't work. It didn't help that her haircut fit so poorly, I'd have believed anyone who told me that it was actually Yukiatsu crossdressing again. Also, we have her stalking and attacking him.
And then, the shame that Menma didn't disappear. Though maybe the real goal is to get the other people to be friends with each other, which clearly is not happening yet.

nishiura
2011-06-16, 15:09
As much as I like this anime, I have to say it was hard taking this episode seriously. I was laughing so hard, I almost choked on my dumpling...

I didn't laugh that hard, heh o.o But I was laughing a few times. It's hard not to laugh at broken Poppo.

I'll wait until I watch the subbed episode before I judge it, since I was just quickly skipping through the scenes while watching the ugly low-quality raw.

http://i54.tinypic.com/dd2kip.png

Kaoru Chujo
2011-06-16, 15:27
I enjoyed the emotions. Melodrama doesn't bother me. I felt very sad for Anaru and Tsuruko, but actually enjoyed their pain, too. The whole fireworks thing was such a stupid red herring. Jintan continues to be a black hole for me, an emotional emptiness sucking the show in behind it. And much as I like Menma, I so wish there was more to her and she had a better seiyuu. The characters I care about are Anaru and Tsuruko. Hayami Saori was terrific in this episode. Not just a singer, after all.

ars89
2011-06-16, 17:59
Lol hot Tsuroku told the girls about Yukiatsu's habits. Quite sad listening to her and Anaru's conversation.

Yukiatsu went crazy again but this time it was the wig.

Didn't want them to re-enact it, but glad that he finally confessed to Menma. Have to agree with Jintan that i was happy to see her still here, was is in tears when he couldn't stop the firework from launching.

So mother has turned around i guess. Nice to see her the father and her brother show up to see it.

User68604
2011-06-16, 18:03
this series would be awesome if it did the unexpected and didnt let menma disappear

rather jintan gets married to invisible girl and lives happily ever after

Reckoner
2011-06-16, 18:11
I find funny how many people have been jumping ship from this show the last episode or two and going back to Hanasaku Iroha for their fix. I'll say it now though. Hanasaku has nothing on Ano Hana at the moment. The quality of this show, episode by episode, continues to impress, while Hanasaku has consistently gone up and down in quality. Sure Ano Hana can be a tad melodramatic at times, but the cast here is just so well developed in comparison to the one man show that is Hanasaku.

The episode manages to blend in all the characters desires, worries and problems, showcasing they're wishes and desires before the curtain closes next episode. It's a perfect setup for what I am sure will be as emotional of a conclusion as this episode was.

This episode finally presented a good amount of insight into Poppo's character. He has always been the odd ball in the group, and the one who has felt always left behind. It's why he is always trying to be the show of the party, the class clown in some ways. He expresses a clear frustration about not really being involved and being sidelined in the past, and that frustration comes out this episode as he tries to rectify the past through Yukiatsu's reenactment.

Overall there were some really great moments this episode, from the ending of the episode, to the reenactment scene, but no scene striked me better than the emotion Memma felt when her brother showed up to help with the fireworks. Maybe people see this as all a bit overwrought, but the melodrama manages to hit me spot on this episode quite perfectly.

I speculated this from the beginning, but I still believe that Memma will not disappear until Jintan finally lets go of her. Next episode will be focused on Jintan finally letting go, and it will all come with an apology to her.

Another rather perfect episode for me, 10/10.

Narzia
2011-06-16, 19:06
I'm quite worried whether or not they manage to give the series a satisfying conclusion and answer enough of the questions left without rushing the whole thing.

Poppo freaked me out this episode.

Manji Midou
2011-06-16, 19:09
hmm so gintan's mom spoke of reincarnation to mema....
how one can be reborn as a flower a kitty or a baby..
...foreshadowing...?

next ep gintan reluctantly let's go of menma and she passes on.... we have a time skip and menma is reborn as gintan and anaru's baby....?

hmm....l think popo saw menma drown/die back then and him being a kid he was helpless ... he really acted scary there for a sec...

hypergolic
2011-06-16, 19:27
Anime of Yukiatsu, for Yukiatsu, by Yukiatsu...

kitten320
2011-06-16, 19:48
I feel damn bad for Tsuruko and Anaru, they had chosen real jerks as their love interests =/
I really want to see them happy and probably with someone else...

I just started to like Yukiatsu but now he is back to sniffing wigs... I totally give up on him. He is a total lost case as Jinta, at least Jinta sees Menma so he has some kind of excuse. But still they both need to see a specialist and none of them is worthy of Anaru and Tsuruko -_-

Why do I have a feeling that Poppo was there when Menma was sinking? Like he actually witnessed whole scene but was damn scared to move and help...

Awww, short hair does not suit Tsuruko but I can see why she did that... Come on girl! You are too cool and good for that wig-sniffing freak! Please find someone better! Same goes to Anaru, give up on those idiots!

It is good to still remeber and care about passed ones but being stuck in the past is simply not acceptable.

P.S. Jinta saying that he would marry ghost Menma was creepy...
I don't care about anyone, just let Menma finally dissapear and give Anaru and Tsuruko some light.

ipodi
2011-06-16, 19:59
I find funny how many people have been jumping ship from this show the last episode or two and going back to Hanasaku Iroha for their fix.

If what you said is true, then it's indeed a disappointing development. The characters here progress and develop every single episode. Not a single character in this series is the same as we first met them. Think how our perception about Menma's dad has changed since the first episode. We can't say the same for Hanasaku Iroha, even though it is slated for 24 episodes. I'll end my thoughts on that show here since this thread is about AnoHana.

This is a very good episode. I can't find any humor in it and I am rather impressed with how the series portrayed the ways parents grapple with the pain of losing their child in a very mature and understated manner.

Mizz-Bubblez
2011-06-16, 20:03
I really do wonder why Tsuruko cut her nice hair... :'(

Bullet2k4
2011-06-16, 20:24
For a moment i thought Menma went back to her child form or is it that she is standing lower behind them on a hill making her appear smaller?

Flower
2011-06-16, 20:27
Wow. Another excellent episode. 8/10 vote from me.

It IS melodramatic, although in the good way for me - kinda like Aria or Clannad After Story could be at times. I like that kind of thing.

I kinda had the feeling that the fireworks wouldn't be the wish she wanted fulfilled ... looks like it may have been something for Jintan, though. It was good to see Menma's mother beginning to have some "closure" with her child's death.

On a personal level I hafta agree with the others that it is a pity that Tsuroko and Anaru couldn't have fallen for people who could return their affection ... they come across as really nice people.

And it ended on a mini cliffhanger again.... Next week is the last episode iirc, so all should be resolved then. Hmm. Really has me wondering.

Irenicus
2011-06-16, 20:32
I bit my lips and stayed still through the whole last scene -- closest I've come to crying for a show in years.

GODDAMMIT JINTAN!! I know it hurts, I know I know, but can't you just...?

SoFarGone
2011-06-16, 20:39
as long as Menma disappears at the end I would give the series a 10.

katsudon
2011-06-16, 20:41
this episode is very "normal" for me. because i expected more than just fireworks, but at the end, that's pretty much it.

all the characters are acting unexpectedly normal. without any twists.... which is a surprise to me.

i feel that tsuruko should be more developed... but then again...maybe that's the key that would spoil everything at the end.

now, maybe i'm thinking too much, but the girls saying "jintan" is irreplaceable, could that be some sort of foreshadowing...or maybe a twist at the end that i'm expecting?

hypergolic
2011-06-16, 20:47
I really do wonder why Tsuruko cut her nice hair... :'(

I agree.
80% of her beauty comes from the nape of her neck when she put her hair up, I believe.

fawkes
2011-06-16, 21:11
I really do wonder why Tsuruko cut her nice hair... :'(

I think she grew her hair out to be like Menma and hoped that Yukiatsu would like her. Now she's like SCREW THIS and cut off her hair? Dunno.

Aaaah I hope they develop Poppo and Tsuruko a bit more in the last episode.

Guardian Enzo
2011-06-16, 22:08
Ack, I resisted for 9.5 episodes but there were a couple of scenes that finally broke me down. Most specifically when Menma hugged her brother, but at the end there was just a general buildup of 10 weeks worth of emotion that finally breached the dam. Even though I knew the fireworks thing wasn't going to be the real wish.

Did anyone notice Menma was sparkling when Jintan was staring at her as she slept?

hero147
2011-06-16, 22:10
I hate Yukiatsu. Period. It's like he lives solely for the purpose of screwing Jintan over.

Pocari_Sweat
2011-06-16, 22:27
Did anyone notice Menma was sparkling when Jintan was staring at her as she slept?

Please don't use that word. I demand that be veto-ed!!! :heh:

Guardian Enzo
2011-06-16, 22:58
Please don't use that word. I demand that be veto-ed!!! :heh:

Is that a Denpa Onna based objection? :heh:

In looking back, it seems obvious now that the selfishness of grief is a recurring theme of this series - not just Menmama's grief, but everyone's. Emotion is, at it's heart, usually a selfish thing - we feel things because we feel them, and we react based on that. Rather than condemn each other for this - and condemn ourselves - we need to accept it. Selfishness is a fundamental part of who we are as human beings, but that doesn't mean we can't let others into our lives to share our pain. I suspect the ending will touch very strongly on this - the acceptance of our grief, and the willingness to rise above it and allow others inside the shell we've created. It applies to Jintan, and it applies to all the other major characters as well. If Menma has any wish that will truly satisfy her soul and allow her to move on in peace, that would seem to be a good start.

deadite
2011-06-16, 23:01
Will Menma reincarnate as a field of forget me nots

Leo_Otaku
2011-06-16, 23:23
Good episode though.... Creepy ass Yukiatsu >.> Really I thought they sort of got rid of his fetish...

Will Menma reincarnate as a field of forget me nots

That would be such a nice ending :) I also think...
I think her reincarnation will have to do with flowers don't know if this is a spoiler since flowers are dropped a bunch of times

I think it stems with Jinta for not letting her go. So when he finally actually wants there to go she will, that is just my thinking or maybe until everyone lets her go.

Guardian Enzo
2011-06-16, 23:41
I think it stems with Jinta for not letting her go. So when he finally actually wants there to go she will, that is just my thinking or maybe until everyone lets her go.

Could be, but I don't think the firework was her wish, plain and simple - and I'm still not convinced this is all going to come down to a single, specific "wish". One way or the other, I think there's a very direct connection with Jinta's mother in whatever brought Menma back, and whatever will allow her to move on.

Proto
2011-06-17, 00:05
I see everyone reaching the end of their emotional rope next episode. :heh:

Is next episode the last one?

Guardian Enzo
2011-06-17, 00:29
I see everyone reaching the end of their emotional rope next episode. :heh:

Is next episode the last one?

That's it, one more.

Justice Knight
2011-06-17, 01:07
That's it, one more.

i thought normally its 12 ep for a series like this, so they decided to finish u off by next episode? lolol :heh::heh:

Guardian Enzo
2011-06-17, 01:12
NoitaminA is always 11 eps (or 22 for a two-cour).

DragoonKain3
2011-06-17, 01:33
Wow, didn't think there would be a more anger inducing moment than this week's Hoshizora.... Yukiatsu, I really want to strangle your neck. Not only you made Tsuruko cry, but you frigging made her cut her hair!

And wasn't too surprised at Menma not leaving this episode, considering no anime to my knowledge spends an entire episode as an epilogue. At least they still made this very emotional, from the unrequited loves, to the Menma family drama, and especially the one where Menma/Jintan played the "what if Menma hasn't died" game. Truly, and especially astounding episode.

Pellissier
2011-06-17, 02:58
Anyone noticed that Menma is actually in the process of vanishing? There were two different scenes where she was looking at her hands, and her right one is slowly fading away. I took two screenshots (thumbnails, click for full size).

http://i.imgur.com/h9nsjl.jpg (http://imgur.com/h9nsj)

http://i.imgur.com/tYaNMl.jpg (http://imgur.com/tYaNM)

The hand is transparent and you can see through it. I don't remember anything similar before this episode, aside having ho reflection, Menma always had the look of a common human.

Finiraldi
2011-06-17, 03:07
Will Menma reincarnate as a field of forget me nots

If that happens, I'll go nuts. Mainly because I've seen that type of symbolic ending and message done several times before (one of those times with that specific flower, even). Worse yet, I'm inclined to agree with you, because upon inspection of the opening, the flower used to represent Menma in the opening does look like one.

And damn it, Pellissier, now you've made me curious. Which episodes were those screencaps from?

EDIT: Ah, okay I see it. I just saw another case you didn't mention in Episode 9 when she claps her hands. Had you not brought it up, I probably would have thought of it as part of the bad backlight bleeding from my monitor. >.o;;

deadite
2011-06-17, 03:10
I bet it will be all over the secret base and the surrounding area

The title of the show is actually the characters who are now adults who are going to ask about the flower they saw that day. "That day" being the last episode.

fazer
2011-06-17, 03:21
its kind of sad... but fitting for Menma to return as a flower who will remind the gang of the memories they once shared, after all Menma is really the heart of the gang...

Pellissier
2011-06-17, 03:30
And damn it, Pellissier, now you've made me curious. Which episodes were those screencaps from?
From this episode (10) of course. Those are the scenes where she's praying (timeframe 1:59-2:02) and on the bed after she wakes up (16:16-16:18).

Archon_Wing
2011-06-17, 04:02
Yay, I've been waiting for this episode for quite a while. An episode to develop the glasses wearing character that delivers sarcastic barbs constantly. Oh wait, it's not about me. ;) This episode provides Tsurikko with much needed development, as she was the final mystery in this well developed cast. It turns out that she has also been stuck in her attraction to Yukkiatsu for all these years, but he just really doesn't see her in that way. Cutting her hair shows that she was gonna change herself to move on, but we're not really sure if she has stopped lying to herself. And I do miss that longer hair. :S

It was also sad to see her break down, she even mentioned the crossdressing to others and is incredibly upset despite trying to act otherwise.

Meanwhile, speaking of self-deception, Jintan is in a dangerous spot where he is happy with Menma and the others, but he cannot let go of her. He's relieved that the fireworks wasn't really what Menma wanted but at the same time he's becoming less and less willing to find Menma's true wish. So at this critical juncture, Jintan will still remain stuck.

Yukikiatsu... poor fool, lol.

And so on the 2nd to last episode, they are still stuck. What's it gonna take for them to accept the truth? The source of the stress, the source of their pain is what they cared for the most. And still care for.

Great setup for a finale and I actually rewatched the episode to catch some of the finer details. I can't think of a better way to praise this, so 10/10

VentAileron
2011-06-17, 05:23
Could be, but I don't think the firework was her wish, plain and simple - and I'm still not convinced this is all going to come down to a single, specific "wish". One way or the other, I think there's a very direct connection with Jinta's mother in whatever brought Menma back, and whatever will allow her to move on.


I think it's pretty easy to guess what her wish is by now. Menma called everyone on 'that day' to say something to Jintan. She also asked everyone to keep it a secret from him. Even though Menma probably said the thing she wanted to say to Jintan this episode, the others weren't there to hear it, thus not fulfilling all the conditions.

The following is just speculation. The conditions can also only be met at the secret base. The reason is that Menma can only communicate with Jintan through speech, but it's obvious that she also wanted the others to hear what she wanted to say. Recall that Menma is unable to write anything outside the secret base, thus the only way to convey her words to not only Jintan, is to write something while at the secret base (or write something and bring it outside of it, but I doubt they'll do that. :p).@Pellissier
I thought I saw something weird about those two scenes, but I didn't conclude it was transparency till I saw your post. It's way too subtle to actually notice. Looking back, I think it started last episode. She looked at her hands when she was on the bridge, but her hands back then were just solid, or apparently close enough to solid that no human could possible notice.

Sides
2011-06-17, 05:42
Recall that Menma is unable to write anything outside the secret base, thus the only way to convey her words to not only Jintan, is to write something while at the secret base (or write something and bring it outside of it, but I doubt they'll do that. :p).

I though it was because it has to be connected with her in some way, like the timber beams in the secrete base or her diary. Now you got me interested.

SoFarGone
2011-06-17, 06:20
Jintan is selfish. The others are suffering and wants to let Menma go while he wants her to stay with him. Its all about him right now. I thought Menma was the character that I dislike the most but Jintan is making the decision difficult.

Menma has to go! She can be reincarnated into anything, it doesn't matter what. I still think Yukiastu and Tsuruko is going to hook up somehow. Anjou should be by herself since Jintan has been a dick since her confession but she probably will be happy if they are together so I'm ok with it as long as Jintan gives up in Menma.

If Menma ends up staying with Jintan at the end, it probably ruin the show for me.

MeoTwister5
2011-06-17, 06:23
I previously believed that Menma's wish was precisely for everyone to find peace with themselves and move on with their lives rather than something that's more on Menma's side. Now I think it may as well be Jinta in particular. Anyway more comments later when I watch subs.

miketyson
2011-06-17, 06:36
Pellissier: so that's what that was about. I thought her hands looked "smudgy" in those scenes but didn't figure out she was becoming transparent. Thanks for taking the time to grab screenshots and figure it out.

Vent Aileron: looks like you figured out that the deal with the writing is that she can only do it in the secret base. Well-done, it fits with everything.

My gut now is that Menma has a time limit and a mission, but due to some mix of being an airhead and wanting to hang out with Jinta / the others she's been neglecting her mission. She may have trouble figuring it out until Tsuruko lets the cat out of the bag in the finale.

SoFarGone
2011-06-17, 07:05
btw the finale preview to me shows Jintan saying something to the group that makes Tsuruko cry and Poppo holding his wrist kinda makes me think he wants to punch Jintan for saying whatever he is going to say. He probably should punch him. Maybe it would wake him up.

VentAileron
2011-06-17, 07:41
You know what's funny, that firework cost them nearly 2500 dollars and they even helped making it. In the end, what did they get?...:heh:
Kind of an expensive joke.

ahelo
2011-06-17, 08:12
Episode 10 (http://traveleronrevenge.wordpress.com/2011/06/17/ano-hana-10/)

I LOVE THIS EPISODE. The build up it did, certain scenes which were hauntingly fantastic, the tension that rises as the episode goes on and BOOM Fireworks scene. Menma didn't disappear and Unlimited Tears ending might not come true but goddamn this episode was good.

kitten320
2011-06-17, 08:49
Actually fireworks did look weird and lame here...

Also why did they need all of that? You can easily buy small fireworks for much cheaper price!

Gohan78
2011-06-17, 08:58
It was an excellent episode but this far in the show I was hoping that the characters would have mostly overcome their issues. Instead, both Jinta and Yukiatsu are still obsessed with Menma in different ways: Jinta doesn't want her to leave, while Yukiatsu wants her to leave just so that Jinta can't have her! They are both selfish pricks.
Anaru is still in love with Jinta after all ("he is irreplaceable"). The only one who seems to have genuinely overcome her crush is Tsuruko (too bad, I loved her long hair).
Then there is Poppo, but his issue was just a low self-esteem.

I hope that the final episode will have enough closure and not be rushed, because it seems that we have a lot of ground to cover.

HayashiTakara
2011-06-17, 09:04
Another great episode. First time I ever felt rooting for Tsuruko. Also keep fighting Anaru!!!

Anyway, this is my theory, I think that Menma will only be able to go to heaven when Jinta finally learns to let go. I think the whole appearance of Menma and why he's the only one that can see her is because of his deep feelings of attachment, regret and resentment. The strong negative and unhealthy emotions that have festered in him over the years cause this phenomenon, and Menma is there to help "fix" Jinta.

I'll be damn if I'm right :heh:

Edit: I think it'll be funny if Menma reincarnates as Jinta and Anjou's daughter :heh:

Kanon
2011-06-17, 09:17
Yukiatsu :heh:
Definitely the funniest and most pathetic character of the season. I thought he had slowly gotten better ever since he "came out of the closet", so to speak, but nope, he hasn't changed one bit. He is still the same creepy resentful douchebag he was back then (the only reason he wants Menma to disappear is that he doesn't want Jinta to have her all for himself). I give up, that guy's a lost cause.

The reenactment was SICK. It seriously made me feel really awkward. Poppo scored some major creepy points in that scene too.

You know what's funny, that firework cost them nearly 2500 dollars and they even helped making it. In the end, what did they get?...:heh:
Kind of an expensive joke.

Those fireworks weren't even that pretty~
That guy totally ripped them off. What a waste of money... Ah well, if it at least helped Menmama, then that was worthwhile.

Incidentally, I think they dragged on the fireworks subplot for way too long. It was obvious from day 1 that it had nothing to do with Menma's wish. I don't even remember why they were so convinced that was her wish. They read a few pages of Menma's diary, stumbled onto it, thought "that's it!" and didn't even bother to read the rest of the diary.

Otani-kun
2011-06-17, 09:19
Reincarnation huh?

Reminds me of Angel Beats now, I keep thinking Menma's going to reincarnate in the last episode and a girl with white hair whose face you cant see will walk past Jintan. Then he'll walk over to talk to her and that'll be the end of the episode. ;<

EroKing
2011-06-17, 09:22
Also why did they need all of that? You can easily buy small fireworks for much cheaper price!

As a kid Menma wanted herself and the gang to work as a team and make a rocket. She even had a drawing which the others found later. Did you completely miss or forget about that episode?

Also, what kind of idiots voted a 1 for this?

Pocari_Sweat
2011-06-17, 09:28
Also, what kind of idiots voted a 1 for this?

It obvious troll voting. I would just ignore them :heh:

liro
2011-06-17, 09:53
http://i.imgur.com/sO5jS.gif http://i.imgur.com/TgNN2.gif
Forever alone.


http://i.imgur.com/gBw3F.png
Tsuruko what have you done... you look like Keima TWGOK now :uhoh:

Soconfused
2011-06-17, 11:12
Man, Anaru is such a massive crybaby. I can understand being shunned by your first love and all, but man....take it down a notch.

And yeah, "Ugh" at Tsuruko cutting her hair, I mean, she looks okay, but no where near as good as she did with longer hair.

Menma not disappearing is not a surprise at all. Next episode better clear up a few things. Pretty good series all around though, if not a bit to melodramatic for it's own good.

Guardian Enzo
2011-06-17, 11:27
Anyone noticed that Menma is actually in the process of vanishing? There were two different scenes where she was looking at her hands, and her right one is slowly fading away. I took two screenshots (thumbnails, click for full size).

That's surely tied in with the "sparkling" I mentioned, when Jinta was watching her sleep. Pretty much a guarantee we're going to be hearing about this next week.

miketyson
2011-06-17, 11:40
Worth noting: the moth that dies also sparkles a bit. Together with the end of ep9, well, it might mean something.

FlareKnight
2011-06-17, 12:06
I think it's time to beat up the old fireworks guy. I mean seriously they worked that hard to make that? It was pretty bleh overall. Guess when you need official permission to make fireworks you can go around ripping off kids like that. Of course also knew the fireworks weren't going to work since it was just too obvious.

Everything has to come together at the end here. The truth behind Menma's death which should be helpful in her moving on and Jintan dealing with his feelings. Could easily see everyone snapping at his selfish decision to want to keep Menma with him. Of course not the only selfish one since I think Yukiatsu just wants to help Menma move on so Jintan can join his suffering.

Understandable for Tsuruko to cut her hair. Maybe the long hair was her small attempt to be more like Menma and grab Yukiatsu's attention. But clearly seeing that for those two there aren't replacements and that it's time to at least try to move on. Whether or not it will work for her is hard to say.

Guardian Enzo
2011-06-17, 12:28
Again, I think selfishness is not something to criticize here, but largely the point. They're all being selfish in different ways - grief makes us selfish. Accept that and don't deny it - understand it and forgive it and it can help you move on. Every one of these characters is primarily concerned with themselves, not with Menma - even an innocent like Satoshi sees this largely through the impact it's had on him.

The one possible exception I would make to that is Poppo, who seems most genuinely concerned with the group and with Menma's spiritual health. But he has his demons, too, and while they haven't been exposed like the others the series isn't quite over yet.

Ascaloth
2011-06-17, 12:36
All through the whole episode, I couldn't get rid of the mental image of Okada Mari herself going "OH SHIT, I ONLY HAVE ONE EPISODE LEFT, I GOTTA WRAP THINGS UP NAO!!11!1!1"

Says it all, really. I realise that the gang facing their inner demons about Menma is what they've pretty much been doing all series, and yet it still feels like Ano Hana could use one more episode of the same. Maybe it's because its only really a couple of episodes since everyone apart from Jinta could put aside their doubts about ghost!Menma's existence, which have been hindering them from working out their latent feelings about the tragedy up until that point; otherwise, I can't really say why I feel this way.

deadite
2011-06-17, 13:09
http://imgur.com/LJqpz

Official art that pretty much confirms that Menma reincarnates into forget me nots.

broken270
2011-06-17, 13:10
It's tomorrow. Poppo decides to throw a big after party for Menma's asscent to heaven. While Poppo, Menma, and Jinta are making preparations, things are not looking well for the other three. Anaru is still acting as such since Yukiatsu's confession. Tsuruko is pissed off because no matter what she does, she will never win Yukiatsu's heart. Of course, Yukiatsu is oblivious of her actions. Even Menma's mother is starting to break down, no matter how much her brother and her father try to wake her up from reality.

The party has started, and everyone is there. Poppo is busy trying to give Menma some screen time so everyone knows that she was there with them. As the party continued, Yukiatsu set his plan into motion. Anaru repeated what she said on that day. Even Poppo had his memory switch on. Tsuruko was the only one concered about what happened if time did reset once more. However, Jinta finally commits his feeling and was about to run away, to hich I literally shout "Don't run. See this through to the end." After all of the awkwardness, Anaru lament about what she heard, and Tsuruko tells her about her true feelings of Yukiatsu. Jinta wishes for her to be together with him always as a ghost. Yukiatsu has his last moments with his other side, and even Poppo regrets what he did. Everyone here is starting to break down.

The day has finally arrived. The gang is there to help set up the final touches of the fireworks. Tsuruko comes back looking like what she did from before. Could she have given up trying to look like Menma and reverted to her new self, or does she wish to her to only remember her life from that day before? Anyway, even her brother came back, to which Menma was really glad for. Now, the fireworks are ready. Jinta thinks one last time if he really wants this to happen. Yukiatsu wants to make sure that this actually works. The firework is launched...and Menma is still here, which was not surprising. While everyone assumed that Menma did not disappear yet, Jinta was glad that she was still there with him.

Speculation:
Well, I was not surprised that she did not go yet, but it still makes me wonder exactly what was Menma's wish. Does it have something to do with what her mother said? Is her wish even in her journal? Does what Tsuruko said have anything to do with what happened during that day? If this is going to have a happy ending, the only way I can see it is if Menma pulls a Fuuko (CLANNAD).

ZGMF-X10A
2011-06-17, 13:14
Another great episode, love how they keep starting the ED song before they actually go into the ED. Kind of knew that Menma wasn't going to go to heaven by the fireworks. I think it has to do with the thing that Menma said to the others and didn't want Jinta to know. Maybe a surprise birthday party or something for Jinta?

SkoolRumble4Ya
2011-06-17, 13:20
Everybody better get 2 boxes of tissue ready for the last episode.

ZGMF-X10A
2011-06-17, 13:25
http://imgur.com/LJqpz

Official art that pretty much confirms that Menma reincarnates into forget me nots.

how does this confirms that Menma reincarnates? LHS looks like the older Menma the one only Jinta sees, and the RHS looks like the old Menma the one that looks EXACTLY like the one in the little shrine thing in Menma's house. In episode 1 where Menma's mother is praying for Menma. In the picture Menma is wearing exactly the same yukata. Unless the bottom left hand side the japanese says that it's not Menma it doesn't prove that Menma reincarnates.


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a116/GStrike-/Anohana-01-Large42.jpg

Zeroryoko1974
2011-06-17, 13:42
Everyone in this show (save maybe the little brother) is seriously F'd up, and is in need of an army of therapists:eyespin:

EroKing
2011-06-17, 13:57
http://i.imgur.com/wOPtj.gif

deadite
2011-06-17, 14:00
Menma's hands is also shown fading with her talk with Jinta going home at night.

Squarecrow
2011-06-17, 14:14
Menma's hands is also shown fading with her talk with Jinta going home at night.
That's when I noticed it. Except because she was holding her hands together I just thought it was the shadow of a hand pulling her back to heaven because she failed her mission. :heh:

Haak
2011-06-17, 14:14
Un-fecking-believable. I just don't know what to say. The build up and everything was just so incredible. I was actually kinda surprised that Menma stayed. I mean it thought it was gonna happen but still. I just couldn't help but get caught in the moment. But I just have no idea how they can possibly resolve all of this in one episode...

Guardian Enzo
2011-06-17, 14:14
Everyone in this show (save maybe the little brother) is seriously F'd up, and is in need of an army of therapists:eyespin:

Oh, I think Satoshi could definitely use a therapist.

Who's the least messed up person in the major cast, I wonder?

Tsuruko? Brutally incisive - I would say ruthless - but expert at self-deception and hasn't told Yukiatsu she loves him in what, 8 years? Fail.

Yukiatsu? Do I even need to go there? Fail.

Jintan? See Yukiatsu. Fail.

Anaru? I feel for her - she's straightforward and wears her heart on her sleeve, but hopelessly hung up on a guy who can't break free of his own past long enough to recognize her. Fail.

Poppo? Tempting. But he dropped out of school, may or may not be making up tales about world travel, and has a serious inferiority complex. Plus, he's stuck in an extended childhood - albeit with a smile on his face - and his "Say it!" mantra in #11 was borderline psychotic. Fail.

Satoshi? Lost his sister as a toddler, and lost his mother at the same time. Feels abandoned by everyone in his family. Fail.

Menmama? Oy. Forget it - fail.

Menpapa? Started off looking like an ogre, turned out to just be a guy in pain trying to save his family after a terrible tragedy. Still... Fail.

Jinta's Dad? Well - way too permissive, but with love. Reacted to his son's pain by being ultra-understanding and letting him do as he wanted, but was always there for support with a smile on his face. I think that constant smile is overcompensation for a heavy heart, but he's borderline.

My vote? Jinta's Dad is the least messed-up.

deadite
2011-06-17, 14:35
I wonder if that dream Jinta had in the second episode with Menma and the flower field meant anything?

CWW
2011-06-17, 15:36
MANTEARS.JPG

Okay, I lied. I was close to though. To be fair though, no anime has ever made me cry.
And to those of you who find it a bit too melodramatic, you haven't watched asian dramas, have you? I shed mantears watching those when I was a teen.

ZGMF-X10A
2011-06-17, 15:50
no anime has ever made me cry.

Unless you just started watching anime, I don't believe this...

True Tears, Saikano, Clannad after story, Elfen Lied, Angel beats, ... a few that I remember without looking anything up.

CWW
2011-06-17, 16:25
I just don't cry easily. Dunno why. Weird considering I'm a romance junkie.

Also, that is some sig you got there.

cyth
2011-06-17, 16:53
So here's a possible scenario:

1. Menma actually went to heaven, but Jinta now sees her as a hallucination! \plot_twist/
2. Jinta eventually realizes that he's crazy and kills himself.
3. HAPPY END

User68604
2011-06-17, 17:08
So here's a possible scenario:

1. Menma actually went to heaven, but Jinta now sees her as a hallucination! \plot_twist/
2. Jinta eventually realizes that he's crazy and kills himself.
3. HAPPY END

haha i like this "sixth sense" sort of route

JINTA IS ACTUALLY THE GHOST

lol

TrippedUp
2011-06-17, 18:19
I know people say that Anaru has been getting over dramatic, but I almost bawled when she called Jintan irreplaceable. I'm been there with unrequited love, and it f****** sucks.

Right now, Jintan is really pissing me off. He refuses to let Menma go, not caring that she actually WANTS to go, and being completely oblivious to how the others feel.

I just really hope Yukiatsu doesn't go all MANma again...

ThereminVox
2011-06-17, 18:52
At this point, they aren't even suggesting that Menma remaining would be a good end. It's tragic for Jintan, and it's hard to blame him for being unwilling to let her go, but he has to, and it seems she won't leave until he's ready to let her. Jinta needs to grow up and accept what has happened, because the longer he dallies, the harder it is on everyone. Menma's brought them all together again, but these floating diaries, half-measures, and cobbled-together rituals are in some ways driving them all even further apart.

As a lot of us expected, Tsuruko holds the key, possibly in more ways than one. Her haircut suggests that she's no longer trying to replace Menma, and while it might make her more homely, it's very true to who she is. I also would like to double check something with all of you: Is Tsuruko the only member of the Super Peace Busters who has not been shown wrestling with the nagging feeling that she is responsible for the chain of events that lead to the accident? I hate to say it, but if so, the rules of drama suggests that there could be something to the theory that she may have (accidentally) been involved in the tragedy.

The brief check-in with Anaru confirms to me that she's now truly stuck in time. There can be no further development without a major seismic shift; something has to give before she can move forward. It's like a much more immediate and acute analogy to what Jinta has been going through since Menma's death.

I'm convinced - though I'm sure many will disagree - that Anaru and Yukiatsu would be poison for one another at this stage in their lives. Maybe they could each use a good whirlwind romance to clear their heads, but not with each other. Their baggage is too entangled, and there's too much history smoldering between them.

They are going to great pains to show Menma speaking regularly to Jinta's mother. The climax, and the secret almost certainly involve her, or something she said to Menma before she died. Also, like a lot of people said a few episodes ago, Menma's unfinished business is apparently for Jintan, not for herself.

Fine episode. The series is moving at an exhausting pace by necessity, and we could really use a breather now and then so that we don't become weary to the WHAM moments. But hey, el oh el, one cour, and you can't say they aren't making the most of what they have.

LittleLamb
2011-06-17, 18:54
I think the next episode will be based around jintan having to let go of Menma. As for the reincarnation thing; I think what Menma was going to tell Jintan was that even if his mother's gone. She may be reincarnated as a flower, something pretty... etc. A comforting gesture of surprise for him I think.

My perspective on this episode? Honestly; I couldn't help but not cry. The emotions that the characters all portrayed was absolutely heartbreaking. Anaru for instance crying on her way home from the secret base after Jintan had finally confessed his feelings. Tsuruko actually confessing her love for Yukiatsu. Aaah; as for Yukiatsu, poor thing; even he can't let go of Menma, the whole wig caressing was a bit much though.

Jintan actually admitting his feelings for Menma aloud was good; except for the whole marrying her ghost... wtf? o.O I'm glad Menma said she wanted to go Heaven, it gives a sense that she's content with everything.

And Poppo! Gaaah! Poppo; my favourite character, the cheerful, outgoing and energetic one of the bunch; when he was constantly saying 'say it...say it...say it...' I couldn't help but be frightened in some sense. Maybe he was there at the incident of Menma's death, no?

Also; Menma's mother decided to come after all. Aaaw; poor Yukiatsu, did you see the reaction on his face when Jintan turned to see Menma? His face just said it all. Argh! Why does it have to end in the next episode :'( WHY?

A perfect 10. Nicely executed and had me on the edge of my seat ;]

Finiraldi
2011-06-17, 19:02
how does this confirms that Menma reincarnates? LHS looks like the older Menma the one only Jinta sees, and the RHS looks like the old Menma the one that looks EXACTLY like the one in the little shrine thing in Menma's house. In episode 1 where Menma's mother is praying for Menma. In the picture Menma is wearing exactly the same yukata. Unless the bottom left hand side the japanese says that it's not Menma it doesn't prove that Menma reincarnates

Read his whole post. He said she'll reincarnate into forget-me-nots, which are the flowers and petals both Menmas are surrounded by in that picture.

Still praying they won't go in that direction and do something new. Yeah, it works given the themes of this story, but... XP

KyriaL
2011-06-17, 19:26
Jintan went and said it after all. Hard to find good dramas like this nowadays, kinda glad Menma did not disappear, or not the show would have ended after the next episode.

Whats up with Yukiatsu anyway? his obsession is kind of... interesting?

Midnight Bliss
2011-06-17, 20:30
This episode was really moving, especially towards the end. I was ready to bawl until I saw Menma and I was like DUDE WHAT THE.
As she's my least favorite character, I was annoyed by Anjou throughout the episode. I honestly think Tsuruko has had it tougher, yet she's the one who's remained strong. All Anjou does is whine and constantly compare herself to Menma and her hate-jealousy is so ugh. I can't stand her sometimes.
Poppo creeped me out when he wouldn't stop to say "say it", the scene was a bit odd because of that. It was touching though, and the scene after that about Menma and Jintan getting married. I'm the only one who's rooted for this pair around here. I'm so excited for next week, I have no idea what to expect but I know it won't be a let down.

Myssa Rei
2011-06-18, 00:05
Sand in my eyes. Tsk.

I gave this episode another 8. Really high praise for me. Damn this show and its drama.

TakezoMusashi
2011-06-18, 00:15
As she's my least favorite character, I was annoyed by Anjou throughout the episode. I honestly think Tsuruko has had it tougher, yet she's the one who's remained strong. All Anjou does is whine and constantly compare herself to Menma and her hate-jealousy is so ugh. I can't stand her sometimes.

Yeah, she really annoyed me with her whole "You don't know what it's like" bull. :mad:
She needs to move on from Jinta.
Her relationship with him only hurts her and brings out her bad side. :(

Airman8
2011-06-18, 01:33
What better way to recover from my team losing the stanley cup, and my city getting subsumed with rioting than a new episode of AnoHana?

I'm convinced - though I'm sure many will disagree - that Anaru and Yukiatsu would be poison for one another at this stage in their lives.

I definitely agree. Their entanglement seems more to do with the strangeness of this situation than any real spark. They both need a reason or an excuse to forget about their problems with now with Jintan and Memna, but that wouldn't be the way to do it.

I found this episode dealt more with the peace busters reflecting on who they are to each other as much as they are to Memna. Anjou said that after all this time it was Memna who's kept the group close, and her close to Jinta. To which Yukiatsu said "it's something to be grateful for." I read sincerity in the way he said that. I don't think he's entirely self motivated in this, even though he's carrying a lot of weight over what happened.

Near the start of the series Tsuruko was dismissive of Anjou, but in this episode they shared their mutual feelings of unrequited love. I'm equally interested in how the group will move on after Memna is gone, than in what will actually happen in order to get her to rest in peace.

Their group was shattered when she died, and they've come to realize how many of those pieces never got picked back up. A big theme in this series has been facing those feelings. Memna seemed happiest and also most concerned with them being friends and having fun like old times. When (if) Memna is gone again I'm really wondering if they'll be able to stay friends as they were before or whether life will pull them away from each other again.

Kanon
2011-06-18, 02:13
Their group was shattered when she died, and they've come to realize how many of those pieces never got picked back up. A big theme in this series has been facing those feelings. Memna seemed happiest and also most concerned with them being friends and having fun like old times. When (if) Memna is gone again I'm really wondering if they'll be able to stay friends as they were before or whether life will pull them away from each other again.

The problem is -- were they ever truly friends? It seems like each of them saved for Poppo and Jinta resented another member of the gang to some extent. The worst case being Yukatsu of course. He's always hated Jinta's guts and only hang around with the gang to be with Menma. He's not the type of guy I could call a friend if I were in Jinta's place. The only true bro in this series is Poppo.

I'm not starting to think it might be better for everybody if they moved on and went their seperate ways. Right now, they are only hurting each other.

~Yami~
2011-06-18, 02:38
that bastard yukiatsu!!!! How can he set up that kind of setting again..... Even Poppo supports that??!!!
but thanks to that scene, finally we can understand many things about Tsuruko....
*ah damn! my tears*

yeah! it looks like that no one actually can't change Menma's will to go to heaven... I feel sorry for Jinta but he must think about Menma's feelings
looks like Saa-kun becomes one of my favourite character too

everyone already knows that firework actually isn't Menma's true will
I'm curious about the next episode
hopefully they will give us a happy and good ending

10/10 for this episode.... they have successfully distorted my feelings and emotions

Longiy
2011-06-18, 03:15
This show is ridiculous, yet entertaining especially Yukiatsu's constant anti-Jintan attitude :heh:. Well but that's the price for being idiot :p Only sane char is Tsuruko and she should just dump that crazy bunch of stuckedinpast group :rolleyes:

Anh_Minh
2011-06-18, 03:18
that bastard yukiatsu!!!! How can he set up that kind of setting again..... Even Poppo supports that??!!!

Yes, because matters have to be settled for a ghost to pass on. That's all it is.

cyth
2011-06-18, 03:48
Well but that's the price for being idiot :p Only sane char is Tsuruko and she should just dump that crazy bunch of stuckedinpast group :rolleyes:She's just the same. Dude, the short hair! :eyespin:

guuchan
2011-06-18, 04:07
Anyone noticed in the preview that Jinta would be wearing a t-shirt with the term "Magokoro (真心)" on it in next episode? Let's see how sincere he will be.

But, overall, another week another episode full of surprises. Whatever happens in the finale is going to be a real doozy at this point. As always I have some theories but they'll almost surely be proven wrong.

Actually it's a week of non-surprise. Not a single bit. But just as powerful as ever, if not more.

as long as Menma disappears at the end I would give the series a 10.

I'm not starting to think it might be better for everybody if they moved on and went their seperate ways. Right now, they are only hurting each other.

That's why I agree with SoFarGone there. The only thing left to tell of this story is how Menma is going to disappear. She will not stay as she is; she will not live happily ever after with Jinta as a ghost. No. She better doesn't.

And while I agree that Jinta is being selfish, I can totally symphatize with him, as explained in last episode's thread.

MANTEARS.JPG

Okay, I lied. I was close to though. To be fair though, no anime has ever made me cry.
And to those of you who find it a bit too melodramatic, you haven't watched asian dramas, have you? I shed mantears watching those when I was a teen.

Unless you just started watching anime, I don't believe this...

True Tears, Saikano, Clannad after story, Elfen Lied, Angel beats, ... a few that I remember without looking anything up.

True Tears has the word "tears" but I never really assoicated that word literally with the show. :heh:

Anohana is heartwrenching alright, but not as far as tearjerking. As much as it might surprise some newer anime watchers, Anohana is way not melodramatic enough. I will never forget episode 8 of Toei's Kanon and later episodes of FMwS, now those really made me cry a bit. I can't think of a third one.

Forsaken_Infinity
2011-06-18, 08:35
Unless you just started watching anime, I don't believe this...

True Tears, Saikano, Clannad after story, Elfen Lied, Angel beats, ... a few that I remember without looking anything up.

Erm, I have watched all of them and I don't remember even being close to crying. At most it was a "ah..." feeling. While they certainly had an emotional punch, the titles you listed aren't really the most heart wrenching anime imo. Mushishi, Mononoke (including the bakeneko arc of Ayakashi), 5cmps, Grave of the Fireflies, "Kokoro" and "No longer human" from Aoi Bungaku, Haibane Renmei, Simoun, House of five Leaves, certain bits of Monster etc. came closer than they did but none of them enticed actual tears from me either. It was only a deeper "ah..." feeling. The last animeish stuff that made me feel that way was "Colorful" and "Norageki!" slightly before that.

Physical tears mean little anyway. I remember very few instances of when I actually shed tears and most of them were over physical pain when I was a kid. I think the sore throat feeling and the indescribable anguish mean a lot more than tears.

And I feel none of it from Anohana. I don't think Anohana is that melodramatic, if at all. It has it's emotional moments but that's about it. After all, everyone from among the bunch is so selfish that I can't really feel sorry for them breaking away from each other. In fact, I think them completely going separate ways would be for everyone's best.

I don't really know what to say about the episode in particular. I liked it very much because of the flow and the presentation. But I wonder how this will wrap up. I have a bad premonition but I hope for it to turn out wrong.

miketyson
2011-06-18, 09:10
guuchan: eh, big-picture no huge surprises but lots of surprises in the specific events.

The reenactment in particular came as a surprise: a small surprise itself, but the way it was introduced -- with brief cut to the flashback sequence, showing everyone in the present in the same positions as the past -- was very slick and surprising (felt stupid not noticing until the overlay cut in). Obvious symbolism is obvious, too, once it's pointed out.

I was also surprised the rocket launch was in this episode. I'd been half-expecting it to be a fakeout kinda like the way the diary turned out: the rocket isn't really Menma's wish -- it'd be something like everyone staying friends -- and thus building and launching the rocket actually would satisfy her wish, contrary to audience expectations.

At this point, my hunches are that:
Tsuroko was the last person to talk to Menma before she died. Tsuroko is the only one who actually knows what it was that Menma wanted to talk about that day. Tsuroko also wasn't very nice to Menma that day, and has some lingering guilt about it.

Poppo saw Menma while she was drowning but couldn't do anything (can't swim, or was too far away, etc.). That's what's really eating him.

Finally, I expect the truth about Menma is that she either doesn't have a specific wish or it's something about her family (eg: to get the gang to convince her mom her death wasn't a suicide, or something). She's spent her "time on earth" having fun with the gang and trying (somewhat unsuccessfully) to help them move forward, but now her time is running out and she'll cut to the chase.

There's also in general a surprise in that so far the show's always been one bad idea or stupid twist away from completely ruining itself, and yet it's managed to avoid that for 10 straight episodes. That's always a pleasant surprise.

SaintessHeart
2011-06-18, 14:06
Finally had time to catch Ep 10. And the rest of this anime.

Feels like watching another Key animation again, dammit man. Maybe the last 12 episodes are that they are not honest with themselves, and are all missing Menma, thus they are the ones who kept her on Earth?

dragon132004
2011-06-18, 14:16
I am overflowing with many emotions after watching Episode 10.. Oh man .... Kayano Ai is really pulling a great performance in doing Honma Meiko/Ano Hana, Thats her second ever major role after Tachibana Isana/Yumekui Merry.

PzIVf3
2011-06-18, 17:58
This story seem not enough development for Tsuroko.

Malkuth
2011-06-18, 19:28
First of all, the episode itself was quite good, but not the best of the show, the ending especially was obvious since there is one episode left.

Anyway, despite several tear-jerking scenes, there was one line from Yukiatsu which was hilarious:


There is one thing only you can do...

ANAL!

WTF, even the frame changed to show Naruko surprised :heh:

Anyway, moving to a couple of posts that caught my attention...

Tsuruko? Brutally incisive - I would say ruthless - but expert at self-deception and hasn't told Yukiatsu she loves him in what, 8 years? Fail.

And why would Tsuruko confess her feeling, already knowing that she will be rejected, instead of stay close as the closest friend, taking care of the person she cares about? How is this a fail? When you really love someone, it does not matter if he returns your feelings, you just appreciate it if he.she does... what you describe is just selfish and possessive.

Yukiatsu? Do I even need to go there? Fail.

Yes it is creepy to take your outfit of your long dead unrequited love and express your feelings of longing and regret, but all humans do the same in front of rocks, over rotten bones, even spend a shit-load of money to make elaborate building, in order to do exactly the same... the only thing that still makes that scene creepy is that Yukiatsu chose a new item that conjured images of his cross-dressing misadventures, and not what he did in itself during the last episode.

Jintan? See Yukiatsu. Fail.

I guess anyone haunted by the ghost of his childhood crush would have some psychological issues :p

Anaru? I feel for her - she's straightforward and wears her heart on her sleeve, but hopelessly hung up on a guy who can't break free of his own past long enough to recognize her. Fail.

See Tsuruko, same reasoning applies to Naruko too.

Poppo? Tempting. But he dropped out of school, may or may not be making up tales about world travel, and has a serious inferiority complex. Plus, he's stuck in an extended childhood - albeit with a smile on his face - and his "Say it!" mantra in #11 was borderline psychotic. Fail.

He had the less development and a lot of his actions seem strange because of that. If NoitaminA was a bit less innovative, there would be time to properly give him a background.

Satoshi? Lost his sister as a toddler, and lost his mother at the same time. Feels abandoned by everyone in his family. Fail.

Yet handles better than anyone his misfortune... The kid is pure WIN!

Menmama? Oy. Forget it - fail.

Heh? what? why? how?

Menpapa? Started off looking like an ogre, turned out to just be a guy in pain trying to save his family after a terrible tragedy. Still... Fail.

And he did raise a balanced son, while dealing alone and unsupported with his loss, and in between was by his wife side when she really needed him... I say most effective dad EVAR :p

Jinta's Dad? Well - way too permissive, but with love. Reacted to his son's pain by being ultra-understanding and letting him do as he wanted, but was always there for support with a smile on his face. I think that constant smile is overcompensation for a heavy heart, but he's borderline.

Too permissive, no! What was the alternative forcefully send Jintan to school, so everyone could make fun of him (making Jintan's situation much worse), instead of give him space and support to deal with the loss of his mother and his best friend. In addition, he had to shoulder everything, losing his wife, the depression of his son, and all the social pressure... I say second best dad!

The problem is -- were they ever truly friends? It seems like each of them saved for Poppo and Jinta resented another member of the gang to some extent. The worst case being Yukatsu of course. He's always hated Jinta's guts and only hang around with the gang to be with Menma. He's not the type of guy I could call a friend if I were in Jinta's place. The only true bro in this series is Poppo.

Good question, how many friends do we have from elementary school... in my case zero, and I believe this is the norm, humans move on, and here is the problem with the cast, a tragic death paused their lives, being unable to deal with it after a decade is what binds them together in an elementary school type friendship. Whenever they meet they cast of any experience they have gained and become as emotionally fragile as they were 10 years ago... which is understandable, but painful.

I'm not starting to think it might be better for everybody if they moved on and went their seperate ways. Right now, they are only hurting each other.

Only they can not, in order to move one they have to deal with the situation, what you suggest is not moving on, but running away, and is exactly what they were doing for 10 years.

Raiga
2011-06-18, 22:05
There's a lot to wrap up with only one episode remaining, but there have been many anime that have made me wonder, "How will they finish this all with only one episode?"

Not a single one has let me down so far and almost all have exceeded my expectations, so I'm holding out for that trend to continue. One way or another, next week is going to be a wild ride.

Blaat
2011-06-19, 02:11
"How will they finish this all with only one episode?"
I have been thinking this since episode 9, I thought the pacing of the first eight episodes were perfect but now I'm worrying if they're able to properly wrap this up. I don't think a full cour is necessary but another two episodes would have helped.

Of course there's still room left for a sequel called "One flew over the forget-me-nots" involving the entire cast in a psychiatrist ward. But that series is going to end with Tsuroko killing Yukiatsu, after he has been lobotomised.
Hang on this sounds oddly familiar.

Khu
2011-06-19, 02:57
Jinta's strangely silent. Then Poppo somehow starts trying to talk to him, realises he's not really mute. Hijacks the ward's bus--

Yeah, this does sound familiar.

VC Matsumoto
2011-06-19, 04:42
Doesn't anyone kind of notice the similarity
of yukiatsu talking to the "Menma wig"
Like Hamlet talking to the Skull of his
dead uncle? (I know....I'm a reader of Shakespeare)

VC

be0wulf
2011-06-19, 05:41
Doesn't anyone kind of notice the similarity
of yukiatsu talking to the "Menma wig"
Like Hamlet talking to the Skull of his
dead uncle? (I know....I'm a reader of Shakespeare)

VC

Court jester, not uncle.

mellomarie
2011-06-19, 06:52
very pleased with the re-enactment--especially with jintan's development. i'm glad poppo stopped him from running away and that he finally had the balls to admit he loves menma...not that it wasn't completely obvious.

as for tsuruko...a bit suprised by her admission that she loves yukiatsu because it wasn't that obvious to me. either way, i'm quite proud that she realises he won't return her feelings. anaru could learn a thing or two from her. though i don't praticularly get WHY he wouldn't return her feelings and go for anaru--i don't think "one-upping jintan" is the reason, especially considering how jintan doesn't give a sh*t about anaru.

either way, good episode! i really liked the little jintan x menma we saw. it was cute.

guuchan
2011-06-19, 07:14
guuchan: eh, big-picture no huge surprises but lots of surprises in the specific events.

There's also in general a surprise in that so far the show's always been one bad idea or stupid twist away from completely ruining itself, and yet it's managed to avoid that for 10 straight episodes. That's always a pleasant surprise.

I meant it story-wise. Presentation-wise it's full of surprises alright, otherwise we wouldn't be here, right? ;)

as for tsuruko...a bit suprised by her admission that she loves yukiatsu because it wasn't that obvious to me. either way, i'm quite proud that she realises he won't return her feelings. anaru could learn a thing or two from her. though i don't praticularly get WHY he wouldn't return her feelings and go for anaru--i don't think "one-upping jintan" is the reason, especially considering how jintan doesn't give a sh*t about anaru.

Tsuruko liking Yukiatsu shouldn't really be a surprise at all since it was already hinted heavily in one of the previous episodes, when she said it was hard to keep up with him.

As for Yukiatsu x Tsuruko and Jinta x Anaru, I'm not sure if they will definitely not happen. I have a feeling that they might very well happen at the end.

fazer
2011-06-19, 07:29
very pleased with the re-enactment--especially with jintan's development. i'm glad poppo stopped him from running away and that he finally had the balls to admit he loves menma...not that it wasn't completely obvious.

Have to agree on the part about Poppo stopping Jinta from running away was good. It was even a good thing for Jinta, to be given the chance to confess his affection for Menma, now if only Yukiatsu have a chance to do so....again


as for tsuruko...a bit suprised by her admission that she loves yukiatsu because it wasn't that obvious to me.
I feel that Tsuruko affection for Yukiatsu was somehow expected, there have been some clues, the hair pin and the way why she keeps hanging around Yukiatsu, I mean he is not exactly a fun guy, unless she really enjoys stabbing him with her replies lol...


either way, i'm quite proud that she realises he won't return her feelings. anaru could learn a thing or two from her.
Someone is a Tsuruko fan and Anjo hater! lol, I like the girls just the way they are. If Anjo becomes more like Tsuruko she would be less interesting. And someone has to be the crybaby of the group!


though i don't praticularly get WHY he wouldn't return her feelings and go for anaru
I guess probably :
1) Yukiatsu is the same as Jinta, still stuck with Menma, they can't "see" anyone else...yet.
2) Tsuruko has always been rather cool, maybe Yukiatsu didn't see the signs.


--i don't think "one-upping jintan" is the reason, especially considering how jintan doesn't give a sh*t about anaru.
Yes, it probably isn't the reason, maybe he feels Anjo is more attractive in some ways and its probably easy to be with her since Tsuruko is constantly jabbing him with her replies, but it almost look as if he enjoys it sometimes....

Jinta does give a shit for Anaru, he did save her from class the other day, the only problem is he has more shit to give for Menma at the moment...


As for Yukiatsu x Tsuruko and Jinta x Anaru, I'm not sure if they will definitely not happen. I have a feeling that they might very well happen at the end.
I want to see that happen! Happy ending please...too much sorrow so far!

mellomarie
2011-06-19, 08:26
Tsuruko liking Yukiatsu shouldn't really be a surprise at all since it was already hinted heavily in one of the previous episodes, when she said it was hard to keep up with him.

i suppose, it was fairly ambiguous though. i mean, she wasn't very affectionate with yukiatsu though i suppose that's just her personality. should've expected the obvious :heh:

Someone is a Tsuruko fan and Anjo hater! lol, I like the girls just the way they are. If Anjo becomes more like Tsuruko she would be less interesting. And someone has to be the crybaby of the group!

no way i'm an anaru fan first and foremost, basically watch the show for her. i just want her to stop hurting and get over jintan.

and yeah the hair pin was something that struck me but i kinda brushed it off--i kinda hoped that their relationship would be platonic and just unorthodox, and not just the regular unrequited love dramaz. as for hanging around yukiatsu, i honestly thought they were pal-ing around...i mean their personalities aren't THAT different, studious and all that minus the sniffing :uhoh:

I guess probably :
1) Yukiatsu is the same as Jinta, still stuck with Menma, they can't "see" anyone else...yet.
2) Tsuruko has always been rather cool, maybe Yukiatsu didn't see the signs.

very good theories. wonder if tsuruko told him her feelings though considering her disposition and yukiatsu's penchant for sniffing/crossdressing...unlikely lol.

Jinta does give a shit for Anaru, he did save her from class the other day, the only problem is he has more shit to give for Menma at the moment...

meh. he could do MUCH better. honestly he seems a better friend to poppo though i guess form his point of view, anaru is clearly not looking for friendship. just feel bad for anaru :( she had to hear how he loves menma without her even getting a decent reply.

fazer
2011-06-19, 08:46
no way i'm an anaru fan first and foremost, basically watch the show for her. i just want her to stop hurting and get over jintan.


Ops, sorry I guess we are all Anaru lovers, I mean Anjo lovers...no pun intended!

Malkuth
2011-06-19, 09:29
Yet both posts are hilarious when read out of context :p

Oh! you Anaru lovers XD

achirist
2011-06-19, 17:32
This episode was great; so tense and raw. I really felt for Yukiatsu, again; and I loved his scheme to redo that day. Tsuroko looked so much more sophisticated with long hair, and I didn't care for her outfit at the end either. It was good to see Poppo acknowledge his resentment at being ultimately left out by the rest of them...

The cue for the ED was absolutely perfect; just at the moment when baka-jintan was forced to see that no, he can't stop the ending, just like he couldn't stop her from dying all those years ago. I'm really excited for the last episode, where we can learn what final secrets still remain buried amongst them. I think there is really more ease for a Yukiatsu/Tsuruko pairing than there is for a anaru/jintan one, at this point, but I imagine we'll get a resolution anyway. I think Yukiatsu doesn't realize her feelings at this point, and has just felt judged and intimidated up until then.

Dop
2011-06-19, 18:31
After this episode, I'm starting to think that Menma isn't here for an unfulfilled wish, but rather that she's here for a promise she made to Jintan's mother.

There's a bit where she's remembering a conversation with Jintan's mother, and after the flashback we see Menma looking a bit translucent, and she says "wait a little more". That's significant, I think.

What I do know for 100% sure is that next week my tears will fall like rain.

mellomarie
2011-06-20, 05:28
Ops, sorry I guess we are all Anaru lovers, I mean Anjo lovers...no pun intended!

hahaha. not the best wording lol.

also have to agree with the sentiment that menma's wish is connected to jintan's mother/or just plain jintan.

TrippedUp
2011-06-20, 10:40
^ That's what I was thinking too. Maybe Menma planned to surprise Jintan by doing something special for his mom with the rest of the kids. Which is why she said for everyone but Jintan to meet up with her.

I'm still unsure that this will have a satisfying ending if it ends next episode.

OceanBlue
2011-06-20, 11:12
Great episode. Honestly, I was disappointed in the previous one or two episodes since I felt like it shifted the character dynamics towards everyone vs. Jintan without any real reason [I mean, Tsuruko and Poppo seemed to go along with the, "She won't forgive me" thing for no reason], but this episode moved them back towards their individual conflicts. Great episode. My chest was tight throughout.

I'm not a big fan of the haircut though, but symbolic gestures are symbolic, I guess.

Kyuu
2011-06-20, 15:37
This episode would be a bad time for Menma to leave anyways -- 'cause every issue that plagued her friends and loved ones would continue unresolved.

hypergolic
2011-06-20, 22:19
Preview of the last episode is now availableeeeee!!!

Ep.11 "The flower which bloomed in that summer"
http://www.anohana.jp/story/11.html

TrippedUp
2011-06-21, 07:04
Preview of the last episode is now availableeeeee!!!

Ep.11 "The flower which bloomed in that summer"
http://www.anohana.jp/story/11.html

That could barely be considered a preview .__.

Darknemo2000
2011-06-21, 07:29
Tsuruko doesnt look good with short hair.

Jan-Poo
2011-06-21, 07:40
After this episode, I'm starting to think that Menma isn't here for an unfulfilled wish, but rather that she's here for a promise she made to Jintan's mother.

There's a bit where she's remembering a conversation with Jintan's mother, and after the flashback we see Menma looking a bit translucent, and she says "wait a little more". That's significant, I think.

That's what I also think. Menma is the kind of person that worries more about others than to herself, I'm sure that the wish that must be fulfilled is something related to Jintan's mom.

Then again even the firework was meant for jintan's mom's sake, but apparently that's not the one.


That day when Menma gathered everyone, she wanted to talk about that wish, since Jintan wasn't invited it was probably meant to be a surprise of some sort.

However Jintan was there in the end. Who invited him? And did Menma actually manage to talk to the others before he joined them?

SagaraSouske
2011-06-21, 12:42
Below is the best post I read about this Eps. I copied it from comments on RC from Junk. (Spoiler tag because it is a long post.)

Ano Hana is a lovely series. Easily among the loveliest Iíve seen. It feels as if itís been created with much tenderness and care.

I appreciate that there hasnít been any sitcom-style character development. Iíll be a bit disappointed if Menmaís mom suddenly accepts the other kids or if everybody with unrequited feelings suddenly gains new outlooks on their futures and can casually walk away from what has become years of emotional investments. What I do hope to see is new resolutions to move in better directions even if hurt and disappointment still lingers. The pain of losing someone to death never goes away and we all fill the holes left behind with our most precious and extreme feelings. What the characters in this series need is a way to start learning how to live with what happened, not major changes. Or, at least, thatís my opinion. Iím not trying to say a differing view is wrong, just sharing a different viewpoint in that the series has value in how it has operated more like messy, unresolved real life as opposed to a tight plot. At not point while watching did I feel it was lazy, sloppy, or poorly plotted/written. Again, just an opinion.

If I remember correctly, Jintan ran out on his mom as she prepared to die and, at this point, Iím assuming he never went back. Menma did and the conversation she had with his mom seems to be the reason Menma wanted to do something for Jintan. Did Menma want the group to do something to see his mom off to heaven so she can be properly reincarnated? Fireworks, maybe? Iím guessing that whatever Jintanís mom asked of or told to Menma is what she wanted when Menma asked them all to meet that day. It seems that it is connected to whatever Menmaís ghostly wish is. Clearly there is a connection; how many times have we seen Menma paying respects at his momís shrine? Maybe Menma feels a need to help Jintan get over his Mom and his witnessing of her going to heaven might help him realize his mom experienced that, too. And that itís not bad.

On another topic, I think itís become clear Poppo saw Menmaís death. From what was said, it seems he ran off after her (or possibly her and Jintan, his exact motives are still unclear: naive, optimistic boy wanting to heal the group rifts, chasing a crush, or wanting to hit Jintan for what he said? or all?.
Possibly 2 things happened: he saw her accident but was unable to prevent it, thus has been carrying a terrible memory as he could only watch Menma die and/or he startled her and accidently triggered her fall which, again, he witnessed and has had to carry a secret guilt. It would help explain why his behavior towards Menma has been quite different from the others and possibly also why heís the only one who really went out into the world and appears to have changed in those years. He saw the truth so hasnít had the mystery of what happened hanging over him, plus he might have seen how easily death can come even to the young. If he has dwelled on what happened, he hasnít let it stop his personal development, it may have driven him as the others got stuck in confusion and wondering.

Iím unconvinced he felt romantically towards Menma as kids; considering the type of boy he was I imagine he would have been thrilled to have the attention of any of the girls. I suspect the seeming emergence of his feelings for Menma is complicated: youthful affection which grows distorted by grief and imagination. But the way he chanted at Jintan here seems to be the beginning of Poppoís anger for what Jintan said about Menma surfacing. Thatís not necessarily proof of youthful romantic feelings for one girl; it could be a loyal, idealistic boyís idea of how girls (in general) should be treated, particularly by someone as admired as Jintan.

fazer
2011-06-23, 04:07
The end is near! Hope it doesn't disappoint!