Puella Magi Madoka Magica Portable (PSP)

[IchiKyo]

Madoka have now her own Official Game for PSP
http://www.imagebam.com/image/33dde4144296184

[SilverSyko]

Holy crap that was fast. I knew it would happen eventually but not THIS quickly. :heh:

Now I'm interested, especially since it's for PSP. Gonna keep my eye out for more details.~

[RRW]

few info

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2011/08/11/madoka_magica_first_look/

[wavehawk]

Special Version comes with a school uniform version Madoka, and I think I like that better than her Puella Magi version.
http://i.imgur.com/svILv.jpg

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad284/dzh2011/01/aQiMHUshh7Z179o8sb4vJf1rngl74pQl.jpg

DAMN YOU MAX FACTORY CAN'T YOU CUT ME A BREAK OR DO YOU LIKE HEARING MYCRIES OF SUFFERING REALIZATION THAT I CAN'T AFFORD ALL YOUR LIMITED-LIMITED-LIMITED FIGMAS?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[MakubeX2]

Best to treat this as a interactive visual novel when you take into the graphic and Bandai Namco track records with it comes to anime games.

In fact, if you look closer, there are actually subtle difference in the game's art and sprit when compared to the anime's. So it would seem Bandai didn't actually employ the anime's crew back to work on the game.

However, what will be interesting to see are the multiple branching paths that may include Witch versions of Madoka, Mami, Homura and Kyouko.

But all in all, this looks just like another attempt at a cash-in. But I belive much of us here would rather opt for the alternate free unauthorised Digital copy rather than footing out Bandai's requested price on the game.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3521/samplea1b3f1cd25f74e1cb.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/96/samplea1b3f1cd25f74e1cb.jpg/)
So here's the finger at ya, Bandai.

[Zero Hurricane]

I think its the same gameplay like Persona 3 Portable :heh:

And, hey! This is the first time we can see Madoka transform! Yay! :D

[Scarletknive]

My money and PSP memory slot is going to blow soon...
Handkerchief(mousepad or real handkerchief)
Madoka Figma:ALL! MY! MONEY!

[Riga92]

Well I think this is a good time to bring out my PSP which I haven't touched in over 2 years :heh:

[GDB]

Well I think this is a good time to bring out my PSP which I haven't touched in over 2 years :heh:

Agreed, though in my case it's "buy a PSP". So many good games coming out in the next year. This, Digimon World PSP, Weiss Schwarz Portable, the English Fate/Extra...

[wavehawk]

...wait...you play as KYUUBEY? O_O

[Zero Hurricane]

Possibly yes. But we still don't know because it's still in development.

[bhl88]

It also includes Madoka's transformation scene (something never given in the anime) and Homura's transformation scene (with glasses).

As for the hanky..... hmm... I'll keep it XD

[MakubeX2]

Out of curiosity, anyone here had placed reservation of the Limited Package just for the extras ? Especially for the Figma.

I'll admit here I did not and will most likely forgo playing the game here.

[Shadow5YA]

Not sure if this is the same game, but here it is.

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[*Osaka*Fan*]

I've never been so interested in importing a game before. To those who import games, just...how do you play them? Is it ever frustrating or difficult not being able to read the text or fully understand what's going on? I'd love to own this game, but it's a lot of money to put down and I'd like it to be worth the investment.

BRS and Fate/Extra are getting localizations, maybe this could too.

[SilverSyko]

I've never been so interested in importing a game before. To those who import games, just...how do you play them? Is it ever frustrating or difficult not being able to read the text or fully understand what's going on? I'd love to own this game, but it's a lot of money to put down and I'd like it to be worth the investment.

Depends on whether or not you can read/understand Japanese and what the genre of the game is. If you can understand the language then you have nothing to fear from importing any game, but if you can't then it may be best to avoid games like RPG's and Visual Novels since it REQUIRES a lot of reading to play the game efficiently.

Since this game is a first-person dungeon crawler with VN elements, this is probably one you're gonna have to pass on without a knowledge of Japanese.

I myself have ultimately decided not to play this one unless it gets localized because of my inability to understand the language.

Usually games I import are either fighting games, adventure/platforming games or Japanese-exclusive improved ports of games I've already played. Ones that you can play and still enjoy without having to understand everything. Buying a game you can't enjoy is just a waste of money.

BRS and Fate/Extra are getting localizations, maybe this could too.

I'm certain this game has a chance too, especially with the anime getting localized soon.

[kano yume]

Not sure if this is the same game, but here it is.

That's the doujin game Grief Syndrome, actually. Still, nice find.

[Dark Wing]

But all in all, this looks just like another attempt at a cash-in. But I belive much of us here would rather opt for the alternate free unauthorised Digital copy rather than footing out Bandai's requested price on the game.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3521/samplea1b3f1cd25f74e1cb.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/96/samplea1b3f1cd25f74e1cb.jpg/)
So here's the finger at ya, Bandai.

Amen comrade amen...Bandai has gotten away with fare to much over the years! Also where's my .hack//links English version Bandai! :frustrated:

[Pachael]

Game PV is out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JJ1JLv3UCs
And some ADV / Witchworld Dungeon gameplay action too.

[Scarletknive]

U beat me to posting the video Pachel...again...
Well...people lazy to click on the link and wait so i post what Pachel put
Ahh damn it i cant post the video...
No "God Eater"-like Gameplay? :T_T:

[MakubeX2]

First Person dungeon crawler. First Person battle screen. Barely animated finisher. And it seems to feature repetitive combat and enviroment. Yup. Definately a lazy cash-in as predicted. The only thing that has it going is more Madoka for the addicts.

I don't know if it's worth the effort even to play it, let alone shell out money for it.

[Zero Hurricane]

U beat me to posting the video Pachel...again...
Well...people lazy to click on the link and wait so i post what Pachel put
Ahh damn it i cant post the video...
No "God Eater"-like Gameplay? :T_T:

Or maybe Tales Series gameplay, or maybe old-school Resident Evil style dungeon exploring? :confused:

[Marcus H.]

If it was in the league of the Black Rock Shooter: THE GAME, then it would have been a good independent game. But with the features shown in the trailer, it looks like a very big Cash Kyuubey.

Welp.

[Scarletknive]

First Person dungeon crawler. First Person battle screen. Barely animated finisher. And it seems to feature repetitive combat and enviroment. Yup. Definately a lazy cash-in as predicted. The only thing that has it going is more Madoka for the addicts.

I don't know if it's worth the effort even to play it, let alone shell out money for it.

Never judge only by 1 PV...maybe there are more to be explained...

[Zero Hurricane]

Maybe the battle system and items, or weapons, perhaps?

[Cosmic Eagle]

I really really need more memory for my PSP.....

[Zero Hurricane]

Well, what's your memory size on your PSP?

[bhl88]

Can I change my destiny and throw Kyubey in Charlotte's mouth instead?

[Shadow5YA]

This looks disappointing. If it has to be a turn based RPG, at least they could make models of the characters too.

[Riga92]

PV Promo of the game with gameplay.

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Honestly it doesn't look that bad to me, looks fun. I would buy it, if I knew moon.

[Marcus H.]

What's probably interesting to see is the Final Moves of each of the five Puellae Magi. According to wiki.puella-magi.net, in an interview with the people involved with the project, they say that they have prepared never-before-seen Final Moves and scenarios.

It might be asking too much, but I'd like game-original characters too, like an entirely new Witch and her Lair.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Well, what's your memory size on your PSP?

8GB.....only 320 MB left....sigh that means time to buy a new memory stick...Or get Vita when it's released later this year or the next.

Also wow...Nitro+ as expected.

[Shadow5YA]

The game looks interesting as a visual novel with possibly different routes and possibilities from the anime, but the RPG elements really look subpar.

[Oblivion]

Is this game region locked and is it a Japan only release?

[Zero Hurricane]

I don't know, but at least they market it internationally. If at Namco Bandai and Nitroplus provide licenses.

[xizro345]

Is this game region locked and is it a Japan only release?

PSP games are region free. However, PSP software sales outside Japan is almost non-existent so there's zero chance of an international release.

[GDB]

However, PSP software sales outside Japan is almost non-existent so there's zero chance of an international release.

I wouldn't say zero, but rather close to it. Just comes down to whether or not someone in a position of influence at a company like Aksys is a fan of the series and game or not.

[Oblivion]

PSP games are region free. However, PSP software sales outside Japan is almost non-existent so there's zero chance of an international release.

So it's still possible, if I buy it from eBay or something. Though I'm guessing it'll still be in Japanese, so unless someone makes a patch, I won't understand a thing. Back to where I started lol.

[Mirri]

So it's still possible, if I buy it from eBay or something. Though I'm guessing it'll still be in Japanese, so unless someone makes a patch, I won't understand a thing. Back to where I started lol.

You could probably use (I haven't checked all of these)

http://1999.co.jp/eng/
http://cdjapan.co.jp
http://amazon.co.jp (there is a button to switch to english for the UI, item names will still be japanese. just copy and paste madoka title. 魔法少女まどか☆マギカ)
http://play-asia.com

if you wanted to look around.

[Shadow5YA]

PSP games are region free. However, PSP software sales outside Japan is almost non-existent so there's zero chance of an international release.

I would say slim, not none. Black Rock Shooter is getting localized by NIS, and I'm not sure BRS is exactly a world famous franchise.

[xizro345]

I would say slim, not none. Black Rock Shooter is getting localized by NIS, and I'm not sure BRS is exactly a world famous franchise.

That was an impressive 180 turn by NISA. But unless the BD/DVD by Aniplex set charts on fire, I doubt it's coming.

[sa547]

Now I came across this: A CERO Z-rating for the game? (http://blog-imgs-43.fc2.com/y/a/r/yaraon/vlanime058311.jpg)

I'm thinking about the infamous Episode 3 for causing this rating (we know it's equal to the ESRB M-rating) to be slapped on the side.

[xizro345]

That would be suicide for sales though...

[Scarletknive]

I would say slim, not none. Black Rock Shooter is getting localized by NIS, and I'm not sure BRS is exactly a world famous franchise.

Other games may be localised by NIS other than black rock shooter too. I wonder if this game also localise anot. well we will see about that some days after its release.

[Kakujitsu]

I really want this game especially the limited edition,
but I don't understand japanese T_T

[Zero Hurricane]

Now I came across this: A CERO Z-rating for the game? (http://blog-imgs-43.fc2.com/y/a/r/yaraon/vlanime058311.jpg)

I'm thinking about the infamous Episode 3 for causing this rating (we know it's equal to the ESRB M-rating) to be slapped on the side.

Or possible could be D-rating. If Banpresto lighten the violent content in it, might be a C-rating (equivalent to T in the ESRB rating system, but for 15+)

[Marcus H.]

A dungeon crawler with a Z-rating? Unless you'd witness Episode 3 all over again in this game, the rating seems unnecessary.

[xizro345]

As I said, Z Rating in Japan would mean killing any sales expectations, unless they plan on selling 5-6000 copies at best.

[Shadow5YA]

Yeah... Z rating is pretty bad. It's like a game in the states getting an Adults Only rating instead of Mature, or a movie getting NC-17 instead of a R rating. Unless it was like porn to begin with, having the most extreme rating ruins sales.

[Zero Hurricane]

Because today's adult games rating typically use a D-rating (for Japan) and M (for Americans).

[TnAdct1]

Personally, given the gruesomeness of the show, the fact this is happening to middle school girls, and Japan pretty much giving very violent games a Z rating, I wouldn't be suprised if the Z rating for Madoka Magica PSP is real.

[Shadow5YA]

Because today's adult games rating typically use a D-rating (for Japan) and M (for Americans).

That's different from a Z rating in Japan or AO for America. There's nothing wrong with an M rating. However, most stores simply refuse to sell AO games.

[Zero Hurricane]

That's because too much blood and also the scenes are quite disturbing, so many stores that sell video games wouldn't AO-rated games in America. In my opinion, it could be this version's violence can be toned down. Because it is still under development, so the rating in the picture still not absolute

[Kudryavka]

Now I came across this: A CERO Z-rating for the game? (http://blog-imgs-43.fc2.com/y/a/r/yaraon/vlanime058311.jpg)

I'm thinking about the infamous Episode 3 for causing this rating (we know it's equal to the ESRB M-rating) to be slapped on the side.
A Z? That's too much, unless they added some gore to the game. Higurashi has way more stuff than Madoka, yet it got a D (on PS2).

Or maybe they added an XXX scene, that's a 100% surefire way to get a Z, lol...

[Zero Hurricane]

Or maybe some gorn moment, up to eleven... :heh:

[sa547]

A Z? That's too much, unless they added some gore to the game. Higurashi has way more stuff than Madoka, yet it got a D (on PS2).

Or maybe they added an XXX scene, that's a 100% surefire way to get a Z, lol...

Given that the pic came from the Yaraon! blog, I'll never know if the rating is for real, unless we bother to check the website for the game to see the actual rating.

[Zero Hurricane]

I agree with you. We can't decide the rating first, unless if it has been established by CERO, or even ESRB (if publisher and developer want to provide license).

[Cosmic Eagle]

Now I came across this: A CERO Z-rating for the game? (http://blog-imgs-43.fc2.com/y/a/r/yaraon/vlanime058311.jpg)

I'm thinking about the infamous Episode 3 for causing this rating (we know it's equal to the ESRB M-rating) to be slapped on the side.

What...Z? All the more I want this....I'd expect they'd made it at least as gory as the manga like this.

[sa547]

What...Z? All the more I want this....I'd expect they'd made it at least as gory as the manga like this.

Now I should've known that Gen wrote down Saya no Uta as well. Damn, I should've known... :heh:

[xizro345]

For those interested, the story will be told from HomuHomu perspective:

http://www.siliconera.com/2011/10/24/madoka-magica-portable-told-from-homuras-perspective/

[zeando]

no action-rpg? D: :sad:

[xizro345]

Dungeon Crawler, that was known since the beginning.

[GDB]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-12-20/madoka-magica-psp-game-puts-major-character-in-new-role

Poor Mami. She'd rather get nommed than this.

[Riga92]

http://i.imgur.com/vB3wul.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WueDwl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/evtp9l.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/U6zeAl.jpg

[Shadow5YA]

http://i.imgur.com/vB3wul.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WueDwl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/evtp9l.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/U6zeAl.jpg

Considering that fanart kept her human face, I'd say that's being a bit generous.

[HasuMasu]

Need localization on this, must play...:heh:

[Marcus H.]

Well, those hips are genuinely Mami's, alright. :uhoh:

[Aurine]

I totally want to play this.. I don't mind if it's in Jap, but my wallet is empty right now ; ;

[HinataShou]

New character : Komachi, Hiyori, Elise, Claire

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6675/0465a3b96439730d3f3742a.jpghttp://img52.imageshack.us/img52/498/3664251bb87c088bdf7fe83.jpghttp://img543.imageshack.us/img543/7283/e68a97eebf74ac5f5607701.jpghttp://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5980/7019f9c07da856740ac2393.jpg

[Xenio]

New character : Komachi, Hiyori, Elise, Claire


i wonder if they were witch in the anime

Komachi = Elly (Kirsten)?
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6675/0465a3b96439730d3f3742a.jpg http://images.puella-magi.net/thumb/e/e1/Witch1298614883989.jpg/800px-Witch1298614883989.jpg

Hiyori = Gertrud? she seem like cutting a plant with her scissors which is Gertrud's barrier theme

Elise = Elsa Maria? she fit with a praying witch and the name are similiar

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/7283/e68a97eebf74ac5f5607701.jpg http://images.puella-magi.net/7/7c/Card_Elsa_Maria.png

Claire = Charlotte? just think they look alike :D

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5980/7019f9c07da856740ac2393.jpg http://images.puella-magi.net/b/be/Card_Charlotte.png

[zato_1one]

That's very plausible theory.

Edit:

According to http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Mobage_Madoka_Magica_Mobile_Game Those are not characters from PSP.

[Triple_R]

This game looks pretty good to me.

Like zeando, Action-RPG would probably be my preference as well, but a Dungeon Crawler with different scenarios/endings for each of the five main girls sounds awesome in and of itself.

I haven't played many video games in a long time, but I might make an exception for this if it gets translated into English sometime in 2012. :)

Oh, and I loved the Holiday-themed screenshots and cards at the bottom of this site here (http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Mobage_Madoka_Magica_Mobile_Game). Each of the five main girls look lovely with a Santa motif going on.

[Jimmy C]

These girls are new designs, I think. I can't match them to the outlines shown at the end of ep12.
And if they are (going to be) those witches, their design is a little too obvious, which doesn't fit how they designed the witches from known magical girls, Sayaka, Mami and Madoka.

[HasuMasu]

Oh~ so they're for the mobile game, I see. :heh:

[Xenio]

These girls are new designs, I think. I can't match them to the outlines shown at the end of ep12.
And if they are (going to be) those witches, their design is a little too obvious, which doesn't fit how they designed the witches from known magical girls, Sayaka, Mami and Madoka.

i don't think they are obvious

Elly only have a Computer Screen as her witch form, she just flashed her human silhouette in it which closely resemble Komachi (twin tail, same kind of dress)

i don't think Hiyori look anything alike Gertrud, they just have their scissors and plant cutting theme in common, look at this
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/498/3664251bb87c088bdf7fe83.jpgalike?http://images.puella-magi.net/6/69/Card_Gertrud.png

Elise is a nun who suppose to pray everyday and Elsa Maria is a praying witch, there obviously a connection here, and again, they doesn't look a like

the only one i connect base on appearance is Claire and Charlotte

and i don't think Sayaka is that non-obvious, you see, her barrier full of kamijou concert poster with "look at me" at the back, her memories is displayed on the wall, there are a orchestra at her stage which symbolism her love to kamijou, there even a violist clearly resemble him, and in timeline 3, there even Hitomi-look-alike Minions around her

http://images.puella-magi.net/thumb/e/ea/Kyousuke_labyrinth_p.jpg/533px-Kyousuke_labyrinth_p.jpg
http://images.puella-magi.net/1/1d/Ep9_poster_runes.jpg
http://images.puella-magi.net/6/6e/SayakaWitch_wants_attention.jpg
http://images.puella-magi.net/2/28/Card_Klarissa.png

[Jimmy C]

As I've said before, if you gave someone who had never seen Madoka before a picture and description of Octavia and asked them to come up with the magical girl she used to be, how close would the result be to Sayaka?
And by the way, Hiyori is holding a string instrument, not scissors.

[Snork]

Kirika also kept little self-semblance in her witch form... :uhoh: Then, again, maybe it's different for this game? At least, Candeloro does share a number of features with Mami.
Otherwise... we are being trolled again. :heh:

I totally want to play this.. I don't mind if it's in Jap, but my wallet is empty right now ; ;

One fansub group totally wants to translate it, as long as they can find a hacker to lend them a hand with the UMD.

[Xenio]

Kirika also kept little self-semblance in her witch form... :uhoh: Then, again, maybe it's different for this game? At least, Candeloro does share a number of features with Mami.
Otherwise... we are being trolled again. :heh:



One fansub group totally wants to translate it, as long as they can find a hacker to lend them a hand with the UMD.

translating a commercial game is nowhere as easy as anime fansub you know, especially a PSP game. i have seen a group with 5 hacker struggle for a year to get a DS game (ace attorney investigation 2) hacked to traslate and have yet to sucess

[xizro345]

Well I preordered it so I'll hopefully post some impression once the game is released.

[sa547]

Here's the 2nd CM video stream.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-12-28/madoka-magica-psp-game-2nd-promo-video-streamed

[HasuMasu]

Nice little trailer there, I even understood what they were saying. :heh:

[Snork]

Is it me, or Kyouko uses Rosso Phantasma there?

[HinataShou]

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa322/HinataShou/p_20120222203147s.jpg

Kyouko's witch form : OPHELIA

waitting for Homura's witch form ...

[GDB]

Well, isn't the game supposed to be from Homura's point of view? I imagine if we see her witch form, it'll only be for a game-over screen.

Also, Kyouko's witch form is kind of neat. Almost looks like a religious candle crossed with a knight or templar.

[HasuMasu]

Bad-ass witch form, as expected.

[Cosmic Eagle]

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa322/HinataShou/p_20120222203147s.jpg

Kyouko's witch form : OPHELIA

waitting for Homura's witch form ...

Looks good.....

I wonder if Kriemhild will feature...

[HinataShou]

new scan
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa322/HinataShou/f8320dbff93afcb9adac009dfae233f0-1.jpg http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa322/HinataShou/7532c6d00d5afb0379dd3ddf3adef927.jpg"]

[GDB]

Okay, they need to either bring this stateside, or someone needs to make a patch. Pronto.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Kyouko looks so cute there

[Kirito]

As a huge Madoka Magica fan (Mami's my favourite girl) I'll totally buy this game no complaint just to play as the girls especially for Mami. I really hope this game comes to North America so I can rush to the game store and buy a Vita.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Err...isn't this for PSP?

*Please don't tell me it's Vita only...*

[HinataShou]

New PV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ajFcIOxWkEw

[HasuMasu]

OH MY GOD THEY BLINK!!

Technology really has come a long way, don't you think? After all, I saw them blink.

[HinataShou]

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa322/HinataShou/oBfMX.jpg

:heh::heh:

[GDB]

Oh god, my sides...

[HasuMasu]

So that makes Madoka...OVER 9000!!! :uhoh::heh:

[goombas]

http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa322/HinataShou/oBfMX.jpg

:heh::heh:

oh good, i thought only I saw that. glad to know i wasn't hallucinating after all.

[ZeroIchiNi]

I don't care how gruesome this scene could be. I'll be laughing because of the similarity


Well, isn't the game supposed to be from Homura's point of view? I imagine if we see her witch form, it'll only be for a game-over screen.

Also, Kyouko's witch form is kind of neat. Almost looks like a religious candle crossed with a knight or templar.

I though it through Kyubee's POV.

I want to know everyone Witch form.

[Shadow5YA]

I'd rather the game be in Homura's point of view than Kyubey. It's hard to believe that Kyubey would be capable of making choices to save the girls.

[AuraTwilight]

Maybe he went crazy in this timeline.

[GDB]

A more plot-oriented reason: he feels that by giving advice to help save them now, they either don't die (after all, he'd rather they succumb), or that he can use them to recruit more girls. You know, some silly BS reason that makes some slight sense.

I still think it'll be from Homura's PoV, though.

[sa547]

More news on the game:
http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-7865.html
http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-7880.html

Homura grabs Kyubey's face; also Brightslaps Madoka.

[GDB]

Slap doesn't look too forceful. Probably just a "snap out of it" slap.

[sa547]

Slap doesn't look too forceful. Probably just a "snap out of it" slap.

As in Brightslap at half power. :D

[Shadow5YA]

A more plot-oriented reason: he feels that by giving advice to help save them now, they either don't die (after all, he'd rather they succumb), or that he can use them to recruit more girls. You know, some silly BS reason that makes some slight sense.

I still think it'll be from Homura's PoV, though.

From the looks of it, it looks like only the Bonus Route will be in Homura's perspective.

Considering how clear they defined Kyubey's character, I can't really suspend my disbelief. I suppose Kyubey is the closest to being omnipresent in the game before Madoka rises, but Kyubey's goal is still clearly different than the player's goal.

[GDB]

but Kyubey's goal is still clearly different than the player's goal.

I dunno, a lot of people seem to want to see the witch form of various characters. That's what Kyuubey wants too. :p

[Shadow5YA]

I dunno, a lot of people seem to want to see the witch form of various characters. That's what Kyuubey wants too. :p

People also want to see everyone make it out alive. Unless that choice is locked on a first playthrough, that's not very Kyubey-like.

[00Coyote]

I dunno, a lot of people seem to want to see the witch form of various characters. That's what Kyuubey wants too. :p
The though of Homura as a witch is ... frightening. Time loops upon time loops, years and years of anger, frustration, despair and repressed emotions let loose as a entity that seeks only destruction. Can you taste the unbridled horror as bombs, bullets, harpoon missiles, golf clubs and who knows what else suddenly appear around you from all directions, scant millimeters from impact? It'd be a Bad End for all involved.

[AuraTwilight]

Hell, I can do you one better.

Witch!Homura stops time.


Forever.

[HasuMasu]

I thougt it was supposed to be Walpurgis?

[Akashin]

I thougt it was supposed to be Walpurgis?

That was speculation, and Walpurgis was confirmed (I think?) to be made from more than one Witch as its name implies.

[AuraTwilight]

Yea, it was indeed confirmed that Walpurgis is composed of multiple witches.

[Snork]

Next week. The game that forced me into finally buying a PSP is coming out next week.:hyper-^v^:

There are people eager to translate it, best of luck to them and let's hope the patch won't get stuck anywhere. In the meantime, random clicking, intuition, plot knowledge and AS/4chan/GameFAQs-browsing will have to suffice.:D

[AuraTwilight]

I hope the game gets an official English release. It's certainly a popular enough franchise.

[HasuMasu]

I hope the game gets an official English release. It's certainly a popular enough franchise.

I sure hope so, the game does look interesting enough.

Though they'd probably use the English cast, not that it matters.

[AuraTwilight]

The English cast is really good, so I'm fine with that.

[Snork]

I've witnessed horrible dubbing (Xenosaga 2), passable dubbing (Radiant Mythology) and actually nice dubbing (Rune Factory 3), but no matter whhich it is, I'll always prefer the original Japanese cast. First, because of voice acting being a bit more prominent and well-staffed sphere than overseas; second, because I trust the voice acting supervised by someone actually related to the original product, not just its localization. Besides, MadoMagi itself has a very strong cast, so being able to hear Aoi Yuuki or Chiwa Saitou, both already having good grip over their roles and the director-induced understanding of what the characters should be and sound like, is just great.
That said, I won't mind any dubbing since I'd easily welcome any mention of PMMMP getting an official English release. Besides, there are often undub patches to hang on to... ;)

[Riga92]

Some 70+ screenshots of the PSP game. Low-res. Beware, as they are spoilerific.

http://imgur.com/a/5Luxh#0

Here's one picture that really surprised me...

http://i.imgur.com/pkSWY.jpg

[sa547]

http://i.imgur.com/49NOZ.jpg (http://imgur.com/49NOZ)
http://i.imgur.com/iGiTfs.jpg (http://imgur.com/iGiTf)http://i.imgur.com/BN4z2s.jpg (http://imgur.com/BN4z2)

[AuraTwilight]

Allow me to quote:

All the Grief Seeds. All of them. ::::3

[EmagEvil]

Some 70+ screenshots of the PSP game. Low-res. Beware, as they are spoilerific.

http://imgur.com/a/5Luxh#0 The link is not working dude... :heh:

[AuraTwilight]

Yes it is.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Game get.

Well from first appearances, it's the show in VN form...Choices seem to center on Kyuubey tempting you

[Kimidori]

the game is out?
... *google* *downloading*

[Kazu-kun]

Comments from an English-speaking fan in Japan:

In Madoka Magica portable, it shows what was Homura doing right after school before Madoka met Mami and Kyuubey.

She was actually hunting Getrud in the building until Kyuubey showed up, then she turned her sights on Kyuubey.

She was thinking of defeating Getrud and giving the Grief Seed to Mami, to form a token of friendship. But it backfired because of Kyuubey.

Which is why in the anime, when mami tosses the grief seed towards Homura, she throws it right back. Deep down, she was going to give it to her in the first place regardless.

In the bonus route they show Homura’s true self. surprisingly, She’s a sweet, an extremely loving girl. Her kindness and compassion would even surpass Madoka.

She tries to stop the fight between Hitomi and Sayaka. She lovingly comforts either side who looses with a gentle hug. She offers Kyouko a place to stay in her house, and she tells Mami, she’s welcome anytime in her home if she ever feels lonely. She offers to make breakfast and lunch for Kyouko, and tries as hard as she could to bake a nice cake for Madoka. At school, she tries to help the students who cant understand math problems, and after school she buys tickets for Madoka so they can go see Mami’s debut live.

As I thought, Homura's route is Homhomu's harem get route after all!! ^___^

[AuraTwilight]

Homura being an extremely kind-hearted individual shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, considering how much she's inspired by Madoka's own selfless nature.

[Kazu-kun]

Homura being an extremely kind-hearted individual shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, considering how much she's inspired by Madoka's own selfless nature.

I think she was very kind-hearted since even before meeting Madoka, but her lonliness at that time was overshadowing that part of herself. What Madoka inspired in Homura IMO was mostly self-confidence, but I think she had always been extremely compassionate.

[AuraTwilight]

I agree, but the fact that she was attracted to that kindness in Madoka, to the point of dedicating her life to protecting it, should've made it obvious that it reflected herself.

[Solace]

Both of them are the same. There's a reason the story sets up parallels between them and ends with both of them proclaiming bff status. Ditto for Kyouko and Sayaka, while Mami is a bit of a mix of all of them.

So the game itself is basically various routes of what could have happened in the show? Sort of a way of showing various alternate universes?

[Cosmic Eagle]

Both of them are the same. There's a reason the story sets up parallels between them and ends with both of them proclaiming bff status. Ditto for Kyouko and Sayaka, while Mami is a bit of a mix of all of them.

So the game itself is basically various routes of what could have happened in the show? Sort of a way of showing various alternate universes?

You play as Kyuubey in the map scenes but yes basically that.

You dick around with the girls at key points and stuff.

Also the game is a bit buggy on my PSP...dunno if anyone else has this problem.

[xizro345]

What is exactly the bonus route? I mean, does it end with a different outcome? I ask because I had to cancel the preorder at the last moment and it doesn't look like I'll be getting it anytime soon...

[Kazu-kun]

What is exactly the bonus route? I mean, does it end with a different outcome?

The bonus route is only available for play after clearing Homura's route, which has the possibility of a happy ending where all the girls end up alive. It's basically Homura's "harem" end route, since she's the main figure fixing all the other girls' problems.

[xizro345]

That's probably the route I would be more interested in, but I guess you have to complete the game X times before getting it?

[AuraTwilight]

http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Homulilly.jpg Homura's Witch; results in a Game Over, so it can't be fought.
http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:QUITTERIE.jpg WHAT
http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:ITZLI.jpg

[Kazu-kun]

http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:Homulilly.jpg Homura's Witch; results in a Game Over, so it can't be fought.


I thought this one wasn't confirmed yet. Some people even said it could be a shop.

[bhl88]

She stops time forever... Or she makes endless eight look like a minor inconvenience.

[AuraTwilight]

If it's a shop, it's the most convincing shop in the whole damn world. Either way, it's interesting, so whatever.

And I like the idea of Homura's witch stopping time forever.

[HasuMasu]

Homura's witch looks like something a DJ would use.

[Kimidori]

just got the game and play it with an emulator, the game seem to closely follow the anime so far. here some hi-res screenshot, played the game with 1024x768 resolution
Menu

http://i.imgur.com/mB2f2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8zaz6.jpg

Madoka's Dream

http://i.imgur.com/e0fqx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RaCrT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0tVTY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jBRGC.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kLHHU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/PcRlt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/a8s7e.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tNfhY.jpg

Choice Time, i don't know why but if you chose the first choice, the emulator will freeze
http://i.imgur.com/Lfc0e.jpg
Madoka wake up from the dream a tell her mama and papa about the dream (i guess so)
http://i.imgur.com/0Ilk2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/bNC4D.jpg


Go to School

http://i.imgur.com/zZUSN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mLQ9C.jpg

Homura
http://i.imgur.com/VLdFZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jJc8P.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/bQWe6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/r7Ert.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CHfIY.jpg

World Map

http://i.imgur.com/G0NH7.jpg

Madoka being scared of homura and the discussion about her

http://i.imgur.com/hdOHS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Xjh4V.jpg

this must be homura hunting Getrud in the building until Kyuubey showed up, then she turned her sights on Kyuubey event

http://i.imgur.com/NY0gF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/yp6E5.jpg
The CD store and trapped in Getrud barrier scene

http://i.imgur.com/VhGKS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/S1jRZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/PveRw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rJmlh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1yVGc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6zpfc.jpg

Dungeon Crawling Time!
http://i.imgur.com/abYdm.jpg
A Wild Adelbert Appear!
http://i.imgur.com/OKToY.jpg
sadly, the game stopped there because the emulator failed to play a movie file of the game, i'm have reported this to the emulator's dev team, hope they fix this soon

[HasuMasu]

Looks boss, too bad if I tried to play it on an emulator my netbook would explode. :uhoh::heh:

[Kazu-kun]

More commentary from Japanese fans:
>I like how Madoka kind of tossed away Sayaka’s and Hitomi’s friendship for Homura.

>Kyubey also states that Madoka may want to protect others, but her true emotion and reason was because she’s able to protect and watch over helpless Homura and spend her daily life with her.


Homura gets all the love in this game. :heh: I love it!

[AuraTwilight]

I call bullshit on Kyubey's statement. What does he know about anything emotion-related?

[Kazu-kun]

I call bullshit on Kyubey's statement. What does he know about anything emotion-related?

I won't argue. QB bein QB you can take his POV the way you want. I will take it as face value myself, thank you very much.

[Solace]

I won't argue. QB bein QB you can take his POV the way you want. I will take it as face value myself, thank you very much.

I agree. The game is his POV, so I would have zero doubts if they decided to play that angle up a bit. From his perspective, yeah, she would have appeared to have tossed those friendships away. But then again his concept of friendship means a contract for your soul.....

[Triple_R]

I agree. The game is his POV, so I would have zero doubts if they decided to play that angle up a bit. From his perspective, yeah, she would have appeared to have tossed those friendships away. But then again his concept of friendship means a contract for your soul.....

Oh, that's all that was meant by the fan comments that Kazu-kun listed? Geez, and here I thought the game had Madoka explicitly cutting ties with Sayaka and Hitomi as part of eloping with Homura, or something like that. :heh:

Well, that's a bit of a relief to me.

I'm still not sure how I feel about some of the other stuff - Homura being very nice to Sayaka or Hitomi, depending on who loses a fight over Kyousuke (the fight itself sounds interesting!) is a bit hard for me to swallow, given Homura's anime characterization (never seemed to care much either way about Hitomi, while Homura and Sayaka unfortunately were always at odds with one another). But I suppose it's no big deal.

[Kazu-kun]

More comments and spoilers about the game:

Homura's route:
>I was able to step into Homura’s shoes and read every thoughts she had. The best and most appealing thing about this game in my opinion is… you literally feel like you’re Homura. Her thoughts, her moves, her mind, her emotions, her conscious, her figure, down to the very last drop.

>In all ends, I can’t… well… I can’t believe she even though of other characters almost as equally as she though of Madoka….

>In a good way though.

>and everyone thinks Madoka is such a sweetheart saint

>Play Homura’s route

>not that I was implying that Madoka isn’t such a precious baby ok.

>I’m just saying I can’t believe Homura thought this way

>homura is so optimistic for someone whose been through so much hell

>“Kyuubey now contacted Madoka… It’s okay. There’s still chances. Even if it’s close to zero, that small possibility is as good as 100 to me.”


>Homura defeats Getrud before Mami does with Madoka and Sayaka
>When Mami arrives at the scene, instead of giving a cold impression…

>Mami: Just what are you, and what are you doing here?
>Madoka: Homura-chan… that outfit… does that mean…?!
>Homura: I didn’t introduce myself did I? I’m Akemi Homura.
>Mami: And what intention do you have other than competition in this town?
>Homura: To save someone… As long as you don’t get in my way, then I’m not your enemy.
>Kyuubey: She’s being vague, she might be planning something dangerous!
>Mami: I’m sorry, but I have a hard time believing you…
>Homura: That’s fine, I didn’t ask you to believe me. If I was your enemy, then you should be grateful that your head is still where it belongs. You should stop taking Miki Sayaka and Madoka with you on your witch hunting, they’re not a Puella Magi yet, and that’s dangerous.
>Mami: They’ve been chosen by Kyuubey, they have the right! Just what are you? Are you trying to take the competition away from me?
>Homura: If I was your enemy, then I wouldn’t be worrying about Miki Sayaka and Madoka, and…this *Hands her Geturd’s grief seed* Maybe that would change your mind. *walks away*
>Mami: ….

>Homura: Tomoe Mami, do you have a moment?
>Mami: I’m about to go eat lunch with Kaname-san and Miki-san. And besides, I have no time for the likes of you.
>Homura: It will only take a second
>Mami: Very well… I have a good guess what you’re going to ask anyways.
>Homura: I want you to stop taking Miki Sayaka and Madoka on witch hunting with you.
>Mami: Oh? Are you feeling uncomfortable because I’m getting along with them? I find that kind of pathetic for your kind.
>Homura: I don’t care who you get along with. After all, you need friends to help away your lonliness.
>Mami: …!! Why…you…
>Homura: Making friends and hunting witches with helpless people are two different things
>Mami: They’ve been chosen by Kyuubey, they have the right to see and witness the world of how magical girls work.
>Homura: Then what will happen if you die in the barrier?
>Mami: …!!!
>Homura: If you died then the two will make a contract without even thinking twice of their wish and regret it like you. Weren’t you telling them day by day to not make a half-minded wish? What will happen if you died? Where will they go? Who will they believe? Who will they walk to school with every day? The ally of justice, Tomoe Mami disappears headlessly inside the barrier and never to be seen again. Is that what you want? I understand you’re lonely (I’ve witnessed your sorrow so many times…) But I cant come to an agreement to what you’re doing to the two.
>Mami: I…
>Homura: If you really want someone to stick by you in your hunting then I’ll accompany you. We’re both Puella Magi, isn’t it normal for us to fight side by side? Maybe then, we could share lunch together, all four of us one day. the more the merrier I suppose.
>Mami: Akemi…san…!
>Homura: You should think this through. Like I said, at the very least, I’m not your enemy. I don’t want to involve innocent people in dangerous situations like these.


>Once Mami is saved, Mami tells Homura she’s sorry she doubted her all this time, and tells her inner feelings towards Madoka and Sayaka about being lonely. Mami and Homura form a friendship. Along the days you can watch scenes where Mami invites Homura over and gives her cake and talks about her family’s death

> H.N. Elly - Homura finds Madoka and saves her from the witch, instead of Sayaka, since she hasn’t contracted. • Next, is now Sayaka. Homura wants to prevent Sayaka from contracting, watching Sayaka in the shadows and grieving over Kyousuke on how he cant play the violin. Homura greets Sayaka at the hospital who’s taking to Kamijou.

>Believe in Sayaka, and explain everything that’s going on about Sayaka to Madoka. — Sayaka doesn’t contract. She gets mad at kyuubey and rejects his contract. Next day, Hitomi says her father’s close friend is an American surgeon who figured out a way to heal Kamijou’s hands. Sayaka confesses to Kyousuke before Kyousuke goes to America for his surgery. Kyousuke accepts her feelings, and thanks her. Sayaka doesn’t become a Puella Magi, never meets Kyouko, and lives on a happy life.

>Homura now meets Kyouko. She invites Kyouko over to her house and forms a partnership to fight against Walpurgisnacht. Kyouko meets Mami, her old friend, but the two hate each over due to past disputes.

>Homura calms the two and persuades them to make up and become friends again. The two talk about right strategies against Walpurgis.

>Over the course of days, since Sayaka grows insanely distant from Madoka, since she spends almost all of her time with Kamijou, Madoka begins to feel extremely lonely.

>She invites Homura over, or goes out with Homura with all the chances she gets. Homura tries to decline because she beleives that if she becomes too close to Madoka, Madoka would want to protect her and contract with Kyuubey. But her emotions get in the way, and she can’t bear to see Madoka sad, and ultimately cannot reject.

>Later that night, Kyuubey, who had almost no role, sneaks into Madoka’s house, and explains everything about the Puella Magi cycle. Madoka, shocked, leaves her house in the middle of the night and goes to see Homura. Madoka and Homura have a talk, and repeat episode 11 where Homura hugs Madoka, etc.

Engings:
>Ending 1a - If Homura fights alone, or with Kyouko, or with Kyouko and Mami and not the full party, the game will take it as if she fought in the anime timeline-ish kind of. Madoka will contract with Kyuubey, become Ultimate Madoka, and rewrite the world with her powers and delete Witches from Existence.

>Ending 1b - Everyone participates in Walpurgis, except Madoka. Just the beginning event scene is different than 1a, still the outcome is the same


Bonus route:

Homura slaps Madoka because Madoka calling herself clumsy and has no trait or whatsoever beside being a magical girl. Homura slaps Madoka and try to comfort her for saying that by saying "even though you're clumsy and stupid, being a cute magical girl is enough", etc. etc"



EDIT: I think I'll put all this in spoiler tags.
EDIT2: I should probably clarify that nothing of this is confirmed yet. As always when it comes to Internet, we need to wait for other sources so we can crosscheck this spoilers.
EDIT3: I will be updating this post as the spoilers get confirmed or debunked.

[AuraTwilight]

Next day, Hitomi says her father’s close friend is an American surgeon who figured out a way to heal Kamijou’s hands.

Holy shit, deus ex machina, much?

Madoka is able to hold only a tiny fragment of existence, and materializes by using the negative energy and Homura’s memories of her, and stays by Homura’s side forever, like a ghost-ish thing. She is only visible to Homura.

This sounds more or less legit, since the Homura level advancement graph shows an ultimate attack which features her "corrosive witch wings" from the end of the anime. So Madoka lives on eternally as Homura's lesbian ghost girlfriend....

Hold on, so the corrosive witch wings represent Madoka's ghost presence, or...what? Also several doujins just got canon basis, lulz.

>Secret - If everyone else dies first and Homura last, on the top floor. Homura turns into a witch, the universe ends, since all possibility and hope becomes absolutely and completely lost.

Can you elaborate? How does this manifest? Like...a permanent timefreeze or what?

[Kazu-kun]

Holy shit, deus ex machina, much?

It's just Karma IMO. I mean, if Sayaka manages not to be tempted to fix her problems with magic, I'd say karma would reward her by giving her a different solution. Although, I think it's made this way to drive home that these girls fucked up their lives on their own by contracting.

Hold on, so the corrosive witch wings represent Madoka's ghost presence, or...what?

The lastest reports seem to indicate this spoiler wasn't true.

Can you elaborate? How does this manifest? Like...a permanent timefreeze or what?

This seems to be false too.

[AuraTwilight]

It's just Karma IMO. I mean, if Sayaka manages not to be tempted to fix her problems with magic, I'd say karma would reward her by giving her a different solution. Although, I think it's made this way to drive home that these girls fucked up their lives on their own by contracting.

Eh. I'm not sure I like that. 'Rewarding her for not contracting'? That's pretty obtuse.

But then you and I already had an argument about the moral fabric of the Puella Magi universe, let's not go there.

The lastest reports seem to indicate this spoiler wasn't true.

So then what's going on with them?

This seems to be false too.

So then how does Homu-Witch end the universe?

[Kazu-kun]

So then what's going on with them?

After clearing Homura's route (but getting normal ending, not happy ending) there is indeed a bonus scene when you fight demons in the new world, but in that scene the demons can't hurt you so you can't die. This scene last till the ending theme kicks in.

So, basically, that bit about Homu's wings and such was just trolling. Nothing new is revealed about this in the game, unfortunately.

So then how does Homu-Witch end the universe?

The universe doesn't end. That was trolling. if you are "Defeated" in the lowest level, Homura will become a witch. However only one illustration will be shown right before Game Over. So you really don't know if something happened to the universe or whatnot.



On another note: Homura's route happy ending (confirmed)

If you defeat Walpurgis with Homura, Mami, Kyouko and Sayaka alive without anybody becoming a witch and without Madoka contracting, you will get the tea party (http://wiki.puella-magi.net/File:PSP_Game_Scan_Nov_2011_Possibly_Megami.jpg) ending instead of anime's ending one. There have been many reports in 2ch that this is true.You could say this is Homura's true harem ending lol.



Dialog from the "Homura slapping Madoka" scene in Bonus Route:
Madoka: Mami-san's going to release a CD... Everything's going great for Sayaka-chan with Kyousuke-kun, too, and Kyouko-chan is getting along with Sayaka-chan.

Madoka: Everyone is changing in lots of ways... but what's changed for me?

Homura: Do you want to change something?

Madoka: Homura-chan... When did you...?

Homura: Never mind that. So, do you want to change, Madoka?

Madoka: I think maybe it's less like I want to change than like I feel like I have to change.

Madoka: See, there's nothing that I really want to be. Not like Mami-san, Sayaka-chan, or Kyouko-chan.

Madoka: But it's kind of hard just watching that.

Madoka: Because I... became a magical girl with nothing but "I want to be a magical girl"...

Madoka: I guess a girl who can't do anything except being a magical girl is no good.

Madoka: I guess I'm jealous of everyone seeming like they're having so much fun right now.

Madoka: I can't do anything at all besides being a magical girl. I'm a clumsy, slow... useless girl.

Homura: That's not true!

(slap)

Madoka: Kya!

Homura: Madoka, you're a clumsy and slow... and absolutely adorable magical girl! What else do you want?!

Madoka: That... isn't a compliment...

Homura: I... I... you.... over and over... That's why you have to stay you...

Homura: Never change, the way you are now... Have confidence in yourself!!

Homura: You... You're... someone very important and precious to me. Even though you may not remember.

Madoka: Um, Homura-chan. I don't really understand, but I think I kind of get it anyway.

Homura: Thank you... I'm sorry for hitting you even though you don't really understand.

Madoka: No, it's okay. You're just trying to get things across to me.

Madoka: I think it's probably my fault... But can I say just one thing?

Homura: What?

Madoka: ... I did want you to deny that I'm clumsy and slow, a little.

Homura: (automatically) I'm sorry...

Madoka: I knew it, you really do think that about me.

Homura: Uh, um, well...

(Madoka's emotion value increased 20 points)

[goombas]

Anyone here get the gmae and want to sell me the Weiss Schwarz promo in it? T_T

[Kazu-kun]

Here's a bit from the Sayaka Route:


Kyouko and Sayaka are fighting. Mami breaks it up. Charlotte's barrier forms. Mami fights it with K&S as back-up. Mami gets killed right in front of them. Sayaka loses her gem (turns out it's in Charlotte's stomach). You pick "?" choices from different city locations, where eye-glasses Homua and Madoka go to find familiars . If you pick up and they never enter Charlotte's by Day 13, then Kyouko finds it the day after. The problem is Kyouko doesn't have enough magic to preserve Sayaka's body and hunt and fight witches, so Sayaka's body rots. When Kyouko gets the gem, she passes out from exhaustion. While Kyouko's asleep, Sayaka wanders off, not realizing her condition. Then Kyousuke visits her at home and sees the way she looks...and calls her monster. Homura, Madoka and Kyouko, realizing she's gone and went to her house, find Sayaka losing it. Sayaka then goes witch. Pic is what she looks like rotted in the game.

If you find her SG early:
Sayaka wakes up, her body is fine but she's depressed. She sees Kyousuke and Hitomi together and is upset. She runs into Kyouko (in case you're wonder why she doesn't go to Madoka is she's always with Homura now) and cries in her arms. Kyouko talks to her, opens up about her past etc. and unlike in the anime, Sayaka really listens to Kyouko. You should hear how she says "Kyouko..." Kyouko saves Sayaka, a 300 pt emotion value drop and Sayaka is almost her old cheerful self...even says they should be a magical girl combi (duo). Then they go fight a witch together. Sayaka is alive for Walpurgis, but they end up defeated. Homura thinks in part maybe because Kyouko wasn't there, that was a difference... I won't say more since I want to play the Kyouko route now and see what happens.


Oh forgot to mention the witch Kyouko and Sayaka defeat is Izabel, who by the way is really tough to beat. There's this howling ghoul thing that dazes so you get beat up for like seven turns. Took some experimenting, but the best way is to have Kyouko get 精神系状態異常無効 which makes her immune and have her fight those. Then I had Sayaka gets some of the big attacks to go after Izabel.

Anyways, they found Izabel has Kyousuke and Hitomi. Sayaka is at first reluctant to fight because of what they would think of her but Kyouko persuades her. When they save them though, I didn't see a confrontation scene between Kyousuke and Sayaka. Maybe you have to pick slightly different options (I had them find her body on day 12 and not day 13), a QB button prompt or possibly in happens in Kyouko's route where Kyousuke calls her a monster. Or possibly it's b.s. Don't know yet.

[Triple_R]

Well, that all sounds pretty creative and interesting at least.

I'm not sure about the Soul Gem mechanics behind it, but...

Partially zombified Sayaka sounds potentially badass. :heh:

This PSP Game is pretty ambitious, that's for sure.

[00Coyote]

Well, that all sounds pretty creative and interesting at least.

I'm not sure about the Soul Gem mechanics behind it, but...

Partially zombified Sayaka sounds potentially badass. :heh:

While it is indeed badass to have a Magical Girl Zombie, Ayumu Aikawa of "Kore wa Zombie Desu ka" fame already has that racket staked out.

I'm also wondering why Sayaka's regeneration trait didn't kick in when her soul gem was reunited with her body.

[AuraTwilight]

Gen Urobuchi hates Sayaka's happiness, that's why.

[Kirito]

Gen Urobuchi hates Sayaka's happiness, that's why.

He also enjoyed Mami getting her head bitten off. It still pisses me off to know end because she's my favourite character!:frustrated:

[00Coyote]

Gen Urobuchi hates Sayaka's happiness, that's why.

Speaking of Urobuchi, did he do the writing for this game?

[Solace]

I believe he supervised and helped plan. All of the Madoka projects have had Shaft/Gen's hands involved.

[Kazu-kun]

Another ending from the Homura Route. It's happy enough since Madoka doesn't contract, but Mami dies. :heh:
I finished the route where Sayaka doesn't contract and only Kyouko and Homura fight Walpurgis. Requires Mami to die though and to pick the right triggers. Not an easy fight but doable. The ending was pretty good, aside from Mami dying. Kyouko goes back home, Madoka doesn't contract, and she and Homura are at least friends. The ED credits ends with pictures of Kyouko's church before it was destroyed and the last shot is this one, of Kyouko walking away. Not the best end but I was OK with this one.

And this is the most depressing ending from the Homura route:
Mami gets mogu mogu'd same as the anime. Sorry, there wasn't much for KyouHomu shippers. They're basically bros at most. In the Homura route, Kyouko doesn't make much of an appearance. In Kyouko's route, you don't see much of Homura etc. Kyouko's closest relationships are with Sayaka and Mami. Kyouko also gets upset with Homura if Sayaka becomes Oktavia. Especially if Homura kills Oktavia before Kyouko and Madoka have a chance to try and turn her back into Sayaka...and see for themselves how hopeless it is first-hand.

Homura is closest to Madoka and then Mami gets along with her pretty well if Homura saves her except for one end where Sayaka becomes Oktavia, Mami finds out the truth about witches, then Homura makes thing worse by upsetting Kyouko with killing Oktavia before Kyouko and Madoka try to turn her back. That one, Mami commits suicide. It is a seriously depressing clusterfuck. It ends up with Homura fighting alone, since Kyouko shows up to help the other times, even when she's upset about Oktavia. I guess having Mami suicide was one thing too much for her to tolerate.

A little KyouSaya yuri moment from the true end (tea party end from Homura's route):
While Madoka and Homura are helping Mami in the kitchen, Sayaka is rambling about how Mami's apartment is always so nice and clean. And how awesome it is that she's handling this and school just fine besides being a magical girl.
Then this exchange happens.
S: Marrying someone like Mami would be nice.
K: Anyway, I'm sloppy.
S: Huh, what are you so mad about?
K: I'm not mad at all.
There is also the part with Sayaka forcefully undressing Kyouko to get her into the uniform.
And Madoka seems strangely concerned about Homura's flat chest.

[SRanger]

Is there a fully translated patch for this? I think the guy who helped make the Steins;Gate VN translation is working on this as well.

[AuraTwilight]

It's probably nowhere near complete yet; the game's barely been out a week.

[Kazu-kun]

This is the final image from the Tea Party end. This end is the happy ending to Homura's route, and the True End of the game as a whole. All the girls are alive, and Madoka didn't contract.

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z369/kazu-kun1/th_true-end.jpg (http://s1186.photobucket.com/albums/z369/kazu-kun1/?action=view&current=true-end.jpg)


Gotta love the line "This is my prayer, my wish...". As some anon in 4chan said, it's much nicer than "Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you, etc." from the anime.

[Kimidori]

This is the final image from the Tea Party end. This end is the happy ending to Homura's route, and the True End of the game as a whole. All the girls are alive, and Madoka didn't contract.

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z369/kazu-kun1/th_true-end.jpg (http://s1186.photobucket.com/albums/z369/kazu-kun1/?action=view&current=true-end.jpg)


Gotta love the line "This is my prayer, my wish...". As some anon in 4chan said, it's much nicer than "Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you, etc." from the anime.

here the higher res pic of it taken directly from my computer
http://i.imgur.com/tBgxQ.jpg

other ending pic

Anime End Game version
http://i.imgur.com/Z3PpM.png

Kyoko End
http://i.imgur.com/MiWQK.jpg

Bad End
http://i.imgur.com/lcVlP.png

[MartianMage]

from the true end (tea party end from Homura's route):
And Madoka seems strangely concerned about Homura's flat chest.

And that will be Homura's downfall. Madoka will realize that her heart belongs to the oppai thus she will turn to Mami's Mammies. :heh:

A 3P end is also fine too anyway. ;)

[AuraTwilight]

Pfft, true end.

Wait until four out of five girls inevitably fall into despair or have their Soul Gems broken, and Kyubey is around...

[Kazu-kun]

And that will be Homura's downfall. Madoka will realize that her heart belongs to the oppai thus she will turn to Mami's Mammies. :heh:

But this is a Homu harem ending so Mami's Mammies already belong to Homura. :heh:

Wait until four out of five girls inevitably fall into despair or have their Soul Gems broken.

As long as Homura keeps her harem happy, everything will be fine. lol

[HasuMasu]

Concerned? Like, how concerned? :uhoh::naughty:

[Cosmic Eagle]

Gotta love the line "This is my prayer, my wish...". As some anon in 4chan said, it's much nicer than "Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you, etc." from the anime.

Different scenarios....

[AuraTwilight]

As long as Homura keeps her harem happy, everything will be fine. lol

The thing is this ending is kind of a failure to think things through. It's not like Walpurgisnacht is the ending point, it's just the part where Homura got stuck. Kyubey's not gonna be all "Welp, shit, can't contract Madoka no more." He's gonna hound her, her whole damn life probably. And EVENTUALLY, Homura will slip up.

[Snork]

Kyubey's not gonna be all "Welp, shit, can't contract Madoka no more." He's gonna hound her, her whole damn life probably.

THAT. Even in the days of airing, I was wondering what would Homura do if she did vanquish WN. To think she even promised to Kyouko that she'd leave the town. And in Madoka's life taken as the scale, who can guarantee the absence of more poor run-over cats and such? Not to mention something that might befall her family? Let Tatsuya catch a more or less serious illness once (God forbid, of course) - and the fluffy Mephistopheles will be there for his jack pot.

A common question for the game - does every route has different branches and endings? I'm not anywhere deep into Madoka's one yet, but I've already encountered a scene choice (Madoka/Mami/Sayaka)on the map, and after watching Sayaka's scene, the other two were gone.
Also, I like the folk tints in the OST, but will there be at least one track from the series?

[Kazu-kun]

The thing is this ending is kind of a failure to think things through. It's not like Walpurgisnacht is the ending point, it's just the part where Homura got stuck. Kyubey's not gonna be all "Welp, shit, can't contract Madoka no more." He's gonna hound her, her whole damn life probably. And EVENTUALLY, Homura will slip up.

Even in the anime, is made clear Madoka ultimately contracts because there's no other choice. The Madoka at the end is no the same kid from the start of the series, who fantasised about being a hero and was willing to contract for cake or to save cats. At the end, she understands the weight of the role she plays and the responsibility inherent to it.

Long story short, Madoka at the end wouldn't have contracted if Homura would have won against Walpursgis. It just so happened that Homura couldn't do it alone.

No matter what QB does, Madoka won't contract as long as she doesn't really need to (and I'm talking Walpurgis sort of need). That's why, after Walpurgis, there's not reason for her to contract.

[Triple_R]

Even in the anime, is made clear Madoka ultimately contracts because there's no other choice. The Madoka at the end is no the same kid from the start of the series, who fantasised about being a hero and was willing to contract for cake or to save cats. At the end, she understands the weight of the role she plays and the responsibility inherent to it.

Long story short, Madoka at the end wouldn't have contracted if Homura would have won against Walpursgis. It just so happened that Homura couldn't do it alone.

No matter what QB does, Madoka won't contract as long as she doesn't really need to (and I'm talking Walpurgis sort of need). That's why, after Walpurgis, there's not reason for her to contract.

Agreed.

While I think that Kyubey would use every avenue available to him to try to contract with Madoka, I think that once those are exhausted, he would move on.

If Madoka sees Mami die and/or sees Sayaka descent while being a Puella Magi, I think that it makes sense that the Puella Magi role will become unattractive to Madoka, and something she'd only be willing to take on for a Walpurgis-level (or greater) need, as you say.


To me, the anime was pretty clear that if Homura can...

1) Make Madoka view the Puella Magi role as something with a definite and potentially lethal downside to it, and...

2) Clear the WN hurdle,

That Madoka would likely not become a Puella Magi afterwards. Homura accomplished the first part of that, she just failed to accomplish the 2nd part of that.

[AuraTwilight]

Even in the anime, is made clear Madoka ultimately contracts because there's no other choice. The Madoka at the end is no the same kid from the start of the series, who fantasised about being a hero and was willing to contract for cake or to save cats. At the end, she understands the weight of the role she plays and the responsibility inherent to it.

Long story short, Madoka at the end wouldn't have contracted if Homura would have won against Walpursgis. It just so happened that Homura couldn't do it alone.

No matter what QB does, Madoka won't contract as long as she doesn't really need to (and I'm talking Walpurgis sort of need). That's why, after Walpurgis, there's not reason for her to contract.

Alright. But you know, life has hardships, so situations involving the temptation will exist.

Tatsuya is hit by a car. He becomes a vegetable and will never wake up.

Hitomi gets cancer.

The 2011 Japanese Earthquake (lol)

Madoka has a car accident after getting her driver's license and her friend Someone-chan is permanently crippled because of her.

Some psycho attempts to rape Madoka while she's walking home from high school. Kyubey appears.

I can go on and on. To say that there will never be a situation where Madoka isn't tempted by the prospect is simply naive.

[HasuMasu]

^ If you put it like that, it seems to me that the anime ending is the only viable option.

[Triple_R]

Alright. But you know, life has hardships, so situations involving the temptation will exist.

Tatsuya is hit by a car. He becomes a vegetable and will never wake up.

Hitomi gets cancer.

The 2011 Japanese Earthquake (lol)

Madoka has a car accident after getting her driver's license and her friend Someone-chan is permanently crippled because of her.

Some psycho attempts to rape Madoka while she's walking home from high school. Kyubey appears.

I can go on and on. To say that there will never be a situation where Madoka isn't tempted by the prospect is simply naive.


I don't think it's completely naive.

Some teenagers reach adulthood without experiencing personal tragedy on the level that you're referring to in most of your examples. It's not inconceivable that Madoka could also reach adulthood without personal tragedy striking her (beyond what it already has, in any event). And even if she does get struck by another instance or two of personal tragedy, it's not inconceivable that she'd resist the temptation to become a Puella Magi if Kyubey happens to show up again (the idea of him constantly hounding her for years with her repeatedly saying "no" honestly seems a bit silly to me - Madoka has high magical girl potential, but eventually Kyubey is being really wasteful in trying in vain to complete a very hard sell when he could be spending that time contracting with countless other much more willing girls).

And Kybuey specifically (and seemingly exclusively) targets teenage girls. If and when Madoka reaches adulthood, she's no longer a teenage girl.


I strongly disagree with the idea that the anime ending is the only viable outcome. Why would somebody even play this game unless they were willing to accept different outcomes? Isn't that the whole point of a game like this?

[Kazu-kun]

I can go on and on. To say that there will never be a situation where Madoka isn't tempted by the prospect is simply naive.

Triple_R already said most of what I was thinking. Ultimately, both anime and manga makes a point that Walpurgis is THE turning point. After Walpurgis, the rest is, life, so to speak, and at that point Madoka would be prepared to face life without using magic, like most people would do.

It's obvious Urobuchi thought things that way from the very beginning. The fact that in the anime Homura tells Kyoko that she was planing to leave town if she defeated Walpurgis makes that very clear!!!!

[HasuMasu]

I strongly disagree with the idea that the anime ending is the only viable outcome. Why would somebody even play this game unless they were willing to accept different outcomes? Isn't that the whole point of a game like this?

I wasn't talking about the game, because obviously I can't read any of it.

The reason I think it's the only viable option, atleast among the ones we've been shown, is because the anime ending means that whatever Kyubey does doesn't matter anymore. Now without the anime ending, witches still exist--what stops Kyubey from creating another chain of events even worse than what happens with the cast? This is a non-issue with the anime ending, ofcourse--as there are no witches whatsoever to worry about.

[AuraTwilight]

(the idea of him constantly hounding her for years with her repeatedly saying "no" honestly seems a bit silly to me - Madoka has high magical girl potential, but eventually Kyubey is being really wasteful in trying in vain to complete a very hard sell when he could be spending that time contracting with countless other much more willing girls).

Uh, Kyubey is effectively omnipresent, since he possesses multiple bodies all ovet the planet. He has no reason not to constantly harasss Madoka.

That being said, while I did give EXTREME examples, the point I'm making remains valid. Just because Walpurgisnacht is defeated doesn't really mean jack. Bad shit can still happen, and it doesn't even need to happen to HER; Madoka is a self-sacrificing person by nature. What if World War III is going to break out, for instance, and she has the knowledge that she can prevent it with a simple wish?


And Kybuey specifically (and seemingly exclusively) targets teenage girls. If and when Madoka reaches adulthood, she's no longer a teenage girl.

That's really not conclusive. Just because he only targets teenage girls on screen doesn't mean that's all he ever targets in the fictional universe of Puella Magi. He only really does so in order to help construct and subvert the "Magical Girl" premise; the justifications come after that fact and it's sort of a plot hole. I like to think that any person of any age or gender can be contracted as long as they meet certain qualifications.


I strongly disagree with the idea that the anime ending is the only viable outcome. Why would somebody even play this game unless they were willing to accept different outcomes? Isn't that the whole point of a game like this?

I wasn't really saying it was the only viable outcome, I'm just disagreeing with the assumption that the Tea Party Ending means everything is gonna be totally dandy for the rest of their lives. That being said, one could argue that it's the only morally viable conclusion we're presented with, since Madoka is forsaking countless despairing, tortured souls for her own transient, mortal, ultimately short and fragile happiness as a human being.

Also, What-Ifs are fun, even if they're canonically impossible.

Triple_R already said most of what I was thinking. Ultimately, both anime and manga makes a point that Walpurgis is THE turning point. After Walpurgis, the rest is, life, so to speak, and at that point Madoka would be prepared to face life without using magic, like most people would do.

It's obvious Urobuchi thought things that way from the very beginning. The fact that in the anime Homura tells Kyoko that she was planing to leave town if she defeated Walpurgis makes that very clear!!!!

Walpurgisnacht is only significant because she's the obstacle Homura can't overturn no matter how much she tries. The anime and manga never give serious consideration to what will happen if she's dealt with without Madoka contracting, and what would happen afterwards. The focus was on the struggle to actually GET there first.

It's obvious Urobuchi thought things that way from the very beginning. The fact that in the anime Homura tells Kyoko that she was planing to leave town if she defeated Walpurgis makes that very clear!!!!

Bull. For starters, Homura is saying this in order to get Kyoko's cooperation. She wants this territory, and Homura is promising it to her in order to recruit her as an ally. Even if we assume she's being honest, this doesn't mean anything. Homura isn't omniscient, and doesn't know what will actually happen after Walpurgis is defeated. She's just built so much importance, hope, and desperation on this one obstacle that she's really, really hoping, to the point of confirmation bias, that everything will be fine if she can pull this off.

Given episode 11's conclusion, i'm not sure she's psychologically able to cope with pondering the prospect that defeating Walpurgis after all this time won't change anything and that she'll have to guard Madoka her entire life and deny her any sort of free agency, or else have to start ALL OVER AGAIN...

Also, what happens if Walpurgis is defeated, and then a week later, a construction beam falls on Madoka's face? OOPS RESET LOL hope you can defeat Walpurgis again. You only did it once after 598 attempts but maybe you can do it twice in a row, right?

[Kazu-kun]

Bull.

Urobuchi supervised this. He specifically said the only route that didn't fit in the context of the anime was the bonus route. That means that the "tea party" ending from Homura's route is a canon possibility in the context of the anime. It also fits with what Homura told Kyoko back then.

If you don't like it, that's find. But this is how Urobuchi thought things through. Whether it makes perfect sense is another thing though. Is that what you're complaining about? Because if that's the case, not even the anime itself makes perfect sense, so that point is kinda moot IMO.

[AuraTwilight]

Urobuchi supervised this. He specifically said the only route that didn't fit in the context of the anime was the bonus route. That's mean that the "tea party" ending from Homura's route is a canon possibility in the context of the anime. It also fits with what Homura told Kyoko back then.


That's not what I'm complaining about. The ending as presented is perfectly FINE, I'm just saying that there's no guarantee that things are going to be fine like this for any extended period of time. Sure they have their awesome tea party and maybe life is awesome for like....let's say two or three years.

Then something bad happens, and Madoka learns of it, and Kyubey is around.

Seriously, there is nothing in that ending that actually indicates that things are gonna be fine forever, or that Homura isn't just deluding herself into thinking she overcame her final obstacle. Shit happens, and that's how shit rolls, and if anything happens to Madoka, if she just DIES for non-Puella Magi reasons, Homura should be reset.

...Hell, for all we know, even if Madoka dies of old age, Homura will reset, presuming she's alive.

But honestly, none of that really matters. The point is I don't buy for a second that this ending is as innocuous as it appears.

[Snork]

There is only one point to remember about WN - it's apparently a recurring event. So in all technicality (and a fair bit of Murphy's law applied :heh: )... Kyuubey always has something to hope for. It's not like he'll be leaving the planet anytime soon, anyway.

Urobuchi supervised this. He specifically said the only route that didn't fit in the context of the anime was the bonus route. That's mean that the "tea party" ending from Homura's route is a canon possibility in the context of the anime.

Oh, Urobuchi-sama, thanks a lot for at least still acknowledging a possibility of Sayaka staying safe and sound! After reading a couple of spoilers in this thread I was beginning to doubt it...:T_T:

[Triple_R]

Triple_R already said most of what I was thinking. Ultimately, both anime and manga makes a point that Walpurgis is THE turning point. After Walpurgis, the rest is, life, so to speak, and at that point Madoka would be prepared to face life without using magic, like most people would do.

It's obvious Urobuchi thought things that way from the very beginning. The fact that in the anime Homura tells Kyoko that she was planing to leave town if she defeated Walpurgis makes that very clear!!!!

Exactly. I honestly find it a bit disrespectful towards Homura and her character to think that clearing the WN hurdle is no big deal. I mean, to say that is to basically say that Homura is an idiot (since she clearly went to great lengths to prepare a massive arsenal to use against WN).

It is a big deal. The anime strongly implies that if WN is defeated without Madoka becoming a Puella Magi then Madoka is likely to never become a Puella Magi.


I wasn't talking about the game, because obviously I can't read any of it.

The reason I think it's the only viable option, at least among the ones we've been shown, is because the anime ending means that whatever Kyubey does doesn't matter anymore. Now without the anime ending, witches still exist--what stops Kyubey from creating another chain of events even worse than what happens with the cast? This is a non-issue with the anime ending, of course--as there are no witches whatsoever to worry about.

You make it sound like Kyubey directly controls witches, as if he was some mad scientist and these witches were robots directly under his control.

Witches are fallen magical girls. Kyubey has no direct control over them. If he did, Mami never would have died (that hindered Kyubey's aims much more than it helped them).

So Kyubey can't "create chains of events". He can try to have events unfold in a way that is beneficial to him, but he can't make something out of nothing. He doesn't seem to have any army or powerful subordinates at his command.

He can merely make the most of the cards that are dealt him. And he typically does that very well, to his credit. But we shouldn't confuse him for some Evil Overlord type that has seemingly limitless resources at his command.


Uh, Kyubey is effectively omnipresent, since he possesses multiple bodies all ovet the planet. He has no reason not to constantly harasss Madoka.

Sue he does. How do people typically react to constant harassment? :heh:

Madoka may be a very patient individual, but even her patience isn't limitless. She'll get fed up with Kyubey at some point, and once that point is reached, her chances of ever contracting with him lowers.

And like I said, all that time wasted on trying to complete a very hard sell may well cost Kyubey countless other magical girls.


That being said, while I did give EXTREME examples, the point I'm making remains valid.

Because your examples are extreme, your point is a bit overstated.

Again, it is not inconceivable that Madoka could reach adulthood without ever facing a personal tragedy that would make her want to contract with Kyubey.


Just because Walpurgisnacht is defeated doesn't really mean jack.

It means plenty. It means that a direct and severe threat to her entire city has been thwarted. That sort of thing doesn't happen all that often (otherwise Homura and the previous timeline versions of Madoka would not have made such a big deal about it).


That's really not conclusive.

What reason would Kyubey have to lie about this?

Also, in the montage of "magical humans" saved by Madoka (in Episode 12) there's not one male or adult amongst them, at least that I can recall.

Like it or not, the Incubators targeting teenage girls (possibly to the exclusion of all other humans) is an established part of Madoka Magica lore, and everything points to this being something that the Incubators truly carry out as their standard MO, and not merely something that Kyubey says that they do.

Now, I actually like to think that Kyubey could conceivably contract with any human, but I also like to think that there's a good in-canon reason for him to specifically target teenage girls. Putting aside the gender side of things, one possibility is that magical potential is at its highest in humans during their adolescence. That is something I'd be willing to believe. In fact, barring an explanation like that, there's no good reason for the Incubators to not try to contract with adults, so an explanation like this is needed to close "the plot hole" you refer to.


Just because he only targets teenage girls on screen doesn't mean that's all he ever targets in the fictional universe of Puella Magi.

It's strongly suggestive, given the "Madoka saves Puella Magi of history" scene.


I wasn't really saying it was the only viable outcome, I'm just disagreeing with the assumption that the Tea Party Ending means everything is gonna be totally dandy for the rest of their lives. That being said, one could argue that it's the only morally viable conclusion we're presented with, since Madoka is forsaking countless despairing, tortured souls for her own transient, mortal, ultimately short and fragile happiness as a human being.

She's "forsaking" them in the sense that they now die or become witches instead of simply disappearing. Madoka's wish improved matters, but I wouldn't blow it out of proportion. It's not like Madoka brought normal life back to Puella Magi. She basically spared them the indignity of becoming witches, thus making their heroic works as a Puella Magi have more inherent worth (and less taint) to them.


Also, What-Ifs are fun, even if they're canonically impossible.

I disagree, honestly. What-Ifs are only fun when they're canonically possible. Otherwise, they're little more than bad fanficton.

Marvel Comics' "What if...?" comics were very fun because they were viable outcomes depending on believable differences in how key events played out. I'd like to view this PSP game and its various endings the same way (not saying that I will, mind you; some I might find hard to swallow - the Tea Party isn't one of them, though).


Walpurgisnacht is only significant because she's the obstacle Homura can't overturn no matter how much she tries.

No, Walpurgisnacht is significant because Madoka wants to protect her city and the people that are important to her, as was made abundantly clear in the first timeline. So if Homura wants to prevent Madoka from becoming a Puella Magi, seeing to WN's defeat without involving Madoka is essential.

Now, whereas somebody might be willing to make a great personal sacrifice in order to stop the destruction of their city, that same somebody might not be willing to make such a personal sacrifice for a smaller scale cause.

And you know what - Episode 4 makes this pretty clear. Madoka could have wished Mami back from the dead. But she couldn't bring herself to (which would fit with her expressing great guilt later on in the episode, just before Sayaka saved her). So Madoka isn't willing to be self-sacrificing for just any cause, imo.


She's just built so much importance, hope, and desperation on this one obstacle that she's really, really hoping, to the point of confirmation bias, that everything will be fine if she can pull this off.

And maybe everything will be fine. It's not inconceivable that it would be.


Also, what happens if Walpurgis is defeated, and then a week later, a construction beam falls on Madoka's face?

What if Madoka enters adulthood without ever encountering personal tragedy again? It could happen.



I'm just saying that there's no guarantee that things are going to be fine like this for any extended period of time.

And there's no guarantee that they won't.

Why you're seemingly so strongly against Madoka enjoying a normal, happy human life is beyond me. This is what Homura fought and strove for. I think there's some value in seeing an end where Homura achieves her dream.


Seriously, there is nothing in that ending that actually indicates that things are gonna be fine forever,

But maybe they will be. There's no reason whatsoever why people who get that ending shouldn't view it that way if they wish to.



...Hell, for all we know, even if Madoka dies of old age, Homura will reset, presuming she's alive.

Ok, that really is a bit of a stretch. :heh: Homura is not so naive as to think you can protect people from old age. :heh:


The point is I don't buy for a second that this ending is as innocuous as it appears.

And I think that this ending is perfectly fine the way it is, and is a legitimate happy ending that people who earned it should feel content to take joy in, accepting it at face value if they so wish.


There is only one point to remember about WN - it's apparently a recurring event.

We don't know how often it recurs though. I would find it hard to believe that it's yearly. If it is yearly, one would expect everybody to know about it by now, and to prepare yearly for it.

So I'm inclined to think that WN shows up, at most, once every fifty years. Any more often than that, and I think that the world would have caught on by now (since WN is viewable to the naked eye outside of a Witch's Barrier).

[HasuMasu]

You make it sound like Kyubey directly controls witches, as if he was some mad scientist and these witches were robots directly under his control.

Witches are fallen magical girls. Kyubey has no direct control over them. If he did, Mami never would have died (that hindered Kyubey's aims much more than it helped them).

So Kyubey can't "create chains of events". He can try to have events unfold in a way that is beneficial to him, but he can't make something out of nothing. He doesn't seem to have any army or powerful subordinates at his command.

He can merely make the most of the cards that are dealt him. And he typically does that very well, to his credit. But we shouldn't confuse him for some Evil Overlord type that has seemingly limitless resources at his command.

I never said he was Charles vi Britannia. What I meant was, with the tea-party ending there will definitely be another Walpurgisnacht--more magical girls will be created and eventually become witches as a result of despair taking over them.

Now what I'm saying is all of that is impossible with the anime ending, heck, Homura probably even lost her ability to reset for all I know. Think of it this way: the tea-party ending is more like replacing all the corrupt government officials with honest ones, while the anime ending throws away the entire system making it impossible for corrupt officials to even exist in the first place.

[Triple_R]

I never said he was Charles vi Britannia. What I meant was, with the tea-party ending there will definitely be another Walpurgisnacht--more magical girls will be created and eventually become witches as a result of despair taking over them.

You're right. That's one of the downside's to the Tea Party ending.

How I perceive the Tea Party ending is "Homura's best possible ending".

[Snork]

Exactly. I honestly find it a bit disrespectful towards Homura and her character to think that clearing the WN hurdle is no big deal. I mean, to say that is to basically say that Homura is an idiot (since she clearly went to great lengths to prepare a massive arsenal to use against WN).

TBH, I have long suspected that WN is simply invulnerable to all but magical attacks. No matter how massive an arsenal, Homura would always need at least one other Puella Magi with offensive spells to stand a chance.

It is a big deal. The anime strongly implies that if WN is defeated without Madoka becoming a Puella Magi then Madoka is likely to never become a Puella Magi.

Of course, that applies mostly to the anime timeline with enough data exposure. And it occurs to me that, since Madoka/QB talk in ep 11, it might not even be a given. It is the full scope of things that helped Madoka realize what she wants from Kyuubey, and since that moment, WN arriving and Homura being in danger were only catalysts. Even if Homura had won, how long would Madoka have lived with the knowledge that "always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you... only to be turned into a lethal monster for all her pain, hopes and trouble"? So much the more that her friend's fate gave her a front seat view on what most of these girls go through.
So "Tea Party" is, like Triple_R said, the outcome Homura was aiming for. Naturally it's in her route. But that would leave the system intact, and it's pretty much the system Madoka was protesting against by the end of the anime. Even though without WN and similar threats she'd have more time to think and hesitate, her not contracting for the sake of changing the system may be far from definite.
Thanks, guys, it's your discussion that led me to these thoughts. :)

As to canon... There's no problem with any ending in the game since it's a whole lot of "what if"s and is meant to be like that. Arguing is pointless, since Madoka's wish erased witches in every timeline, making all the game routes into pure theory. In the end, there is one canonical world where Madoka is less than a ghost and magical girls hunt demons. However, we do have an official confirmation that all but one route were possible alternate outcomes in terms of the show's logic. Although to conclude again, episode 11 is likely a point of no return. Or more like episode 9 if we dig deeper - see my thoughts on Homura's chances of soloing WN, and even in the case of victory, we need to assume she had a huge stock of grief seeds, for we all remember in what state she finished the battle in TL3 even with Madoka's help.

I would find it hard to believe that it's yearly.

That's why a bit of Murphy's law is needed for my assumption. :D

[Kimidori]

just found something interesting, Walpurgis does have a grief seed, when playing around with the psp's game file, i found the sprite of Walpurgis's grief seed in archive.cpk\Scene_Griefseed\gs.pac\GRIEF_GS_ICON_W ALP.GIM, here is it
http://i.imgur.com/c9XmH.png

other grief seed here if anyone interested

Kyoko
http://i.imgur.com/JP8ko.png

Mami
http://i.imgur.com/wIR6j.png

Sayaka
http://i.imgur.com/IT7dB.png

Albertine
http://i.imgur.com/0eDNV.png

Charlotte
http://i.imgur.com/Dcqks.png

Elly (Kirsten)
http://i.imgur.com/z3Qg3.png

Elsa Maria
http://i.imgur.com/vkd1h.png

Gertrud
http://i.imgur.com/b9HoA.png

Gisela
http://i.imgur.com/jcizs.png

Izabel
http://i.imgur.com/WuqKy.png

Patricia
http://i.imgur.com/EW6mS.png

look like Kriemhild Gretchen is the only one who don't have a grief seed design yet.

[Kazu-kun]

look like Kriemhild Gretchen is the only one who don't have a grief seed design yet.

I don't see Homura's there either.

[Snork]

Gretchen's grief seed? Best of luck trying to defeat her for that. :p

[bhl88]

Yeah that's right XD. Try to defeat Ultimate Gretchen in the flash. I couldn't even beat her!!

[AuraTwilight]

She's "forsaking" them in the sense that they now die or become witches instead of simply disappearing. Madoka's wish improved matters, but I wouldn't blow it out of proportion. It's not like Madoka brought normal life back to Puella Magi. She basically spared them the indignity of becoming witches, thus making their heroic works as a Puella Magi have more inherent worth (and less taint) to them.

She also leads them to a heavenly paradise, according to official word on the matter.


Also, cool, Walpurgis actually HAS a goddamn Grief Seed. I've been suspectign for a while that she might not have one.
The rest I'm not responding to because you're being repetitive and contrarian.

[Snork]

^ actually, I don't feel like underestimating the importance of Madoka's wish changing the fate of others. She doesn't undo the system because first, God knows how it would affect the history (remember Ume-sensei's yonkoma on the matter :heh: ), and second, she respects the wishes all magical girls put their lives on the line for. And sparing the indignity doesn't quite describe the opposite: in addition to losing every trace of conscience and humanity and becoming a living web of insanity and despair, a witch can potentially take all the good things the puella magi did and throw them out the window by causing as much grief and demise as the girl once averted. She can even ruin the wish itself in worse cases. Imagine Octavia were left alone; will you guarantee that Kamijou would never be among those falling prey to her someday? There's no sense in saving the day from Godzilla if you become one and ruin the city yourself (figurative as the example is, that's pretty much what the timeline from Madoka's dream was about). Puellae magi give up a lot in exchange for their wish, but with the new system, they can at least live their lives with a meaning.

[Triple_R]

TBH, I have long suspected that WN is simply invulnerable to all but magical attacks. No matter how massive an arsenal, Homura would always need at least one other Puella Magi with offensive spells to stand a chance.

That's an interesting thought, but I honestly hope it's not true, because it would make Homura look kinda foolish, imo. :heh: I prefer to see Homura as a very smart and cunning person. Almost like a Magical Girl Batman, basically.


Of course, that applies mostly to the anime timeline with enough data exposure. And it occurs to me that, since Madoka/QB talk in ep 11, it might not even be a given. It is the full scope of things that helped Madoka realize what she wants from Kyuubey, and since that moment, WN arriving and Homura being in danger were only catalysts. Even if Homura had won, how long would Madoka have lived with the knowledge that "always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you... only to be turned into a lethal monster for all her pain, hopes and trouble"? So much the more that her friend's fate gave her a front seat view on what most of these girls go through.

I haven't played this PSP game, but I would think that in "The Tea Party" end, Madoka might never find out about "Puella Magi inevitably become witches if they don't die first". I mean, Sayaka is there in that Tea Party end, so Madoka didn't learn about this from Octavia.

So if Madoka never learns about this...


Although to conclude again, episode 11 is likely a point of no return. Or more like episode 9 if we dig deeper - see my thoughts on Homura's chances of soloing WN, and even in the case of victory, we need to assume she had a huge stock of grief seeds, for we all remember in what state she finished the battle in TL3 even with Madoka's help.

Your rationale here seems reasonable to me. You're right that these may well be points of no return.


She also leads them to a heavenly paradise, according to official word on the matter.

This is an interpretation of Episode 12 that I've always been fond of, but I never knew it was confirmed. Where was it confirmed? I'd genuinely like to read/see that.

[AuraTwilight]

This is an interpretation of Episode 12 that I've always been fond of, but I never knew it was confirmed. Where was it confirmed? I'd genuinely like to read/see that.

Well, the writer for the manga adaptation of Madoka Magica believes in it, and the writer of Oriko concurs; On top of that, the whole thing with Sayaka in the final episode kind of heavily insinuates it.

[HasuMasu]

What about the Grief Seed for Homura's?

Come to think of it, what are their witches even called? The only one I know is Sayaka's. :eyespin:

[KoiYuki]

What about the Grief Seed for Homura's?

Come to think of it, what are their witches even called? The only one I know is Sayaka's. :eyespin:

Mami's is Candeloro, Kyouko's is Ophelia, and Madoka's is Kriemhild Gretchen.. I hope I spelled all that correctly. :heh:

[HasuMasu]

Mami's is Candeloro, Kyouko's is Ophelia, and Madoka's is Kriemhild Gretchen.. I hope I spelled all that correctly. :heh:

Neither of us know Homura's witch? She must be some kind of ninja-witch hybrid. :eyespin:

Apparently I can't find her name in the wiki either, must really be a ninja. :heh:

[Kimidori]

Neither of us know Homura's witch? She must be some kind of ninja-witch hybrid. :eyespin:

Apparently I can't find her name in the wiki either, must really be a ninja. :heh:

her witch form is Homulilly (wiki.puella-magi.net/Homulilly)
the reason why Homura can't reverse time and become a witch is the hourglass in her shield was broken and the sand spilled out, making any further time loops impossible.
http://images.puella-magi.net/thumb/4/4c/Homulilly.png/800px-Homulilly.png?20120322085031

[Snork]

Well, the writer for the manga adaptation of Madoka Magica believes in it, and the writer of Oriko concurs; On top of that, the whole thing with Sayaka in the final episode kind of heavily insinuates it.

Didn't Shinbo say somewhere that Madoka takes them to the new world?

[HasuMasu]

Homulilly really does look like something a DJ would use.

DJ Homulilly, spinning the greatest hits from the 80s, 90s, and today.

[Kirito]

Didn't Shinbo say somewhere that Madoka takes them to the new world?

Won't that defeat the purpose of her wish then, considering that the 3 have died and the one mentioned became a goddess.

Too me that doesn't really make any sense unless I'm missing something, I don't know. "Shrugs shoulders"

[MartianMage]

But this is a Homu harem ending so Mami's Mammies already belong to Homura. :heh:
I see =x I guess this end:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Aoko/20367212.jpg
is fine too. :3

[00Coyote]

^ that picture needs a toothbrush.

[HasuMasu]

^ Yes, but one thing it doesn't need? Clothes.

[Kimidori]

can anyone tell me what extractly Homura is doing to QB in this sprite? it from the PSP's game file :heh:
http://i.imgur.com/zxKLS.png

[MartianMage]

Well considering she's still wearing her black hairband...

I'd say she's pretending to be on good terms with Kyubey only to blow him up as soon as everyone's not looking. :D

[Kazu-kun]

can anyone tell me what extractly Homura is doing to QB in this sprite? it from the PSP's game file :heh:
http://i.imgur.com/zxKLS.png

QB is part of Homura's harem too. :heh:

That's why Madoka is safe after the tea party ending. :cool:

[AuraTwilight]

Won't that defeat the purpose of her wish then, considering that the 3 have died and the one mentioned became a goddess.

Too me that doesn't really make any sense unless I'm missing something, I don't know. "Shrugs shoulders"


Shinbo is being misquoted here. He said he believes that dead Puella Magi are taken to a 'new universe'. The end of Oriko and the Madoka Magica imply that it's some sort of paradise, instead of an Earth-like universe like another timeline.

[faiz blaster]

here the higher res pic of it taken directly from my computer
http://i.imgur.com/tBgxQ.jpg

other ending pic

Anime End Game version
http://i.imgur.com/Z3PpM.png

Kyoko End
http://i.imgur.com/MiWQK.jpg

Bad End
http://i.imgur.com/lcVlP.png

Can't see the last two pics

[HasuMasu]

I can see them just fine, maybe it's an issue with the new tags?

[Snork]

A gameplay question - do the stat bonuses and experience/skillset influence the girl's starting powers in the next playthrough, or is it only defined by karma?
I consider doing some usual level-grinding in dungeons, but I want to clarify if that's worth it.

[metronome]

And i need help on how to get that true ending>.<
may be some guides to homura route?
eg. important dates, like on the 10th day, which girl should homura approach? and so on.....

[Fukiri]

I'm loving this game. I wish my kanji reading skills were better, even though I understand most of what they say, I don't understand a thing of the tutorials. And now I'm stuck in Walpurgis on Mami's route.

Is there a kind soul who can provide me with a save game to Sayaka's route?

[SonozakiUshiromiya]

(Homura Fights Alone End): There are two ways to achieve this end. One is if Mami dies to Charlotte, Sayaka never contracts, and Homura does not pick certain dialogue choices with Kyoko, Homura will end up fighting alone. This can also happen if Sayaka contracts and becomes Oktavia, then Homura makes certain decisions that results in Mami committing suicide and Kyoko never showing up to fight Walpurgis. Homura dies in Madoka's arms, glad that she could finally save her. Madoka doesn't contract and it's the end.
To anyone who has played the game, is this real? Cause it kinda rubs me the wrong way plot wise.

[Kazu-kun]

To anyone who has played the game, is this real? Cause it kinda rubs me the wrong way plot wise.


This ending is described on the Japanese wiki so it's most likely real. It has many preconditions that lead to that specific ending so it'd be hard to get. Anyway, it's a bit surprising that Homura can defeat Walpurgis on her own (at the cost of her life though), but Urobuchi did say that all the routes except the bonus one are canon possibilities so...........

It seems this CG is from that ending:
http://images.puella-magi.net/b/b0/Madoka_Portable_Homura_Goodnight.jpg?2012032618234 6





On another note, I wanted to post this conversation (it's from /u/) describing some Homura x Madoka moments. Enjoy:

There's a lot of HomuMado moments, too many to recount. But I did find how other people respond to it pretty amusing (again these are from memory)
Madoka invites Homura to dinner at her home. Her dad comments that Homura is as beautiful as they were told. Junko then says that lately, Madoka's been talking a lot about Homura, almost like she's in love (!) Madoka gets embarrassed and tells her not to say such things in front of Homura. (Notice Madoka didn't deny what her mom said!!)

Or fighting Walpurgis, Madoka shows up. Homura tells her that they're all fighting to protect everyone. Then Homura says that she is personally fighting to protect Madoka. Everyone's response in the game (yeah this made me laugh):
Mami: !!
Sayaka: !!
Kyouko: !!


By the way, the game beats you over the head every 10 secs with Homura's self-sacrificing obsession for Madoka. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad. One scene I remember is Madoka shopping with Homura. Madoka tells her that she had a dream about her before Homura transferred in. Madoka even mentions that bit about Sayaka saying they met together in a past life (!) This completely shocks Homura who doesn't know that Madoka had a dream about her. But when Madoka asks if they'd met before, Homura lies and tells her no. So Madoka is left wondering why she had a weird dream about Homura. Meanwhile, Homura's thinking that yes they were friends and Madoka is the one irreplaceable person that she'll repeat time again and again to save. (Homura has this kind of internal monologue a lot.)

Then, Madoka asks if they could go out like this again and Homura (because she's the queen of self-sacrificing martyrs) remembers that in the past, Madoka would make a wish to save her. So she decides she can't afford to get closer to Madoka than necessary. Homura tells Madoka she doesn't have time to go out with her. Madoka's a little sad by it but man, that's nothing compared to Homura's internal dialogue of, "I can't bear to see her sad face...I want to see her smile." ;_; Then Homura says her usual stuff about doing what she needs to protect Madoka's future etc.

Now the funny thing is a couple days later, Homura ends up asking Madoka out to eat at the diner to protect her from Kyubey. But Madoka doesn't know that and is just thrilled that Homura asked her out for the first time (because up to now, it's always been Madoka asking). Then a couple days after that, Madoka gets Homura to eat dinner at her house...and where Junko makes that comment of Madoka acting like she's in love.

I would really liked to have known Madoka's thoughts during that route because I think she was seriously into Homura. Homura's pretty cool that route too, saves people, saves Madoka, acts nice when she's not all moody and depressed though I guess to Madoka it could seem sexy, mysterious and cool.


Madoka is into Homura whether she is Moemura or not. She is just plain Homusexual... except maybe in the main anime timeline, where she is more intrigued about her mysterious persona than anything else.

You mostly get the internal thoughts of whoever you're playing for their route. Once in a while you'll get someone else's thoughts but it's rare. It's not like you constantly know everyone's thoughts throughout the entire thing. For instance, you can know Sayaka's thoughts on her route but you can't know them for Homura's route since it plays out differently. Some scenes are similar enough that you can guess, but it's not the same thing. Madoka's route is really different from Homura's so it gives you no idea what she's thinking when she's going out shopping with Homura for example, since that never happens in her route.


Forgot to mention it doesn't help that Homura is completely different in each route. She's non-magical ill girl in Mami's route, newbie shy magical girl in Sayaka's, cold-hearted Machiavellian in Kyouko's and cool but kind girl in her own route. So everyone would think of her very differently.

Does Madoka love every personality?

Well, it varies but Madoka never fails to want to help Homura, no matter what. In the Kyouko route, when Madoka's thinking about contracting to help her with Walpurgis, Homura goes complete asshole. She calls Madoka an idiot, tells Madoka that's she's ruthless, that she intentionally let everyone die, says she's only fighting Walpurgis for the enormous grief seed, threatens Madoka if she shows up there at Walpurgis, Homura will kill her on the spot and that she yells at Madoka to leave and tell her she never wants to see Madoka again.

Of course you know, after Madoka leaves, Homura cries like her heart's broken and says sorry, she never wanted to do such a thing to Madoka (meaning, lie and act like a ruthless asshole).

Madoka isn't stupid though. She figures out Homura's words don't match her actions. She wants to believe in Homura and is sure there is some reason for her cold-hearted actions. So Madoka shows up at Walpurgis and makes a wish to save Homura and everyone else.

No matter what Homura does, Madoka can't hate her. She always wants to believe in her. And before you go Madoka isn't capable of hate, well, she's capable of disliking Kyubey enough to tell him to leave and that she never wants to see him again.

[Solace]

She is just plain Homusexual

I think we all are, Madoka. I think we all are.

:cool:

Also that bit about Kyubey....somehow not surprising, at least to me.

[AuraTwilight]

And before you go Madoka isn't capable of hate, well, she's capable of disliking Kyubey enough to tell him to leave and that she never wants to see him again.

I would argue that this is extremely different from hate, btw. :B

[Kazu-kun]

I would argue that this is extremely different from hate, btw. :B

Well, it's close enough IMO, but I don't think that's the main point. I think what that guy was getting at is mostly that Madoka might be very kind but it doesn't mean she would believe in just anyone. She trusted Homura because she could see what laid behind the jerkass act, not because she would believe in anyone by default.

[Kimidori]

Homura's Route Flow Chart
http://images.puella-magi.net/e/e2/Homura_route_flow_chart.png?20120416163706

[AuraTwilight]

Uh...I noticed that after "Sayaka won't contract", "Is Mami Alive" seems to have no "No" label; it looks like a "Yes/Yes".

[Sugar Fruity]

I want to play this game.. I download it but I don't know how to open the file.... x_x" And.. I want to know how to have game's images (like Kimidori)
Well, I don't like the battle's system, perhaps this is boring...

[Kimidori]

lol, this is hilarious

In the Mami route of the PSP game, glasses Homura tries to get closer to Madoka after being saved from a witch. Sayaka and Mami start to notice how close glasses Homura and Madoka are getting, so much so that they look adorable. This makes Sayaka and Mami jealous of them. Homura can only think about how wonderful and cool Madoka is (Mami is not even an afterthought, in her own route no less...).

Sayaka is so jealous, that she even turned down an offer from Kamijou to walk home together, or have lunch with him.

Even Hitomi thinks there is something going on when she sees Madoka getting closer to Homura. After mentioning the possibility of "forbidden love" between girls, Hitomi adds that she thought Madoka had a forbidden relationship with Sayaka, but now Madoka was having an illicit relationship with Homura after they just met, "Is this what they call a love triangle?!"

In the PSP game, when Madoka invites Homura to dinner with her family, her dad comments that Homura is beautiful as they were told by Madoka. Junto then mentions that Madoka has been talking a lot about Homura, almost like she's in love! Madoka gets embarrassed by this comment and tells her not to say such things in front of her friend. (Fans would point out that Madoka didn't deny what her mom said!)

[Kimidori]

this is a translation of a scene, not a made up
http://images.puella-magi.net/4/4e/Madoka_Portable_-_Madoka_invites_Homura_for_dinner_English_translat ion.png?20120419141651

[HasuMasu]

^ Normally I'd be yelling at someone to fund this, but I'm too busy mopping the blood.

[Triple_R]

That truly is absolutely adorable. Nice work by whoever wrote this.

[Kimidori]

^ Normally I'd be yelling at someone to fund this, but I'm too busy mopping the blood.

That truly is absolutely adorable. Nice work by whoever wrote this.

the game's writer wrote it, as i said it a translation, not a made up dialog by fan.

In the PSP game, when Madoka invites Homura to dinner with her family, her dad comments that Homura is beautiful as they were told by Madoka. Junto then mentions that Madoka has been talking a lot about Homura, almost like she's in love! Madoka gets embarrassed by this comment and tells her not to say such things in front of her friend. (Fans would point out that Madoka didn't deny what her mom said!)

[bogcsa1013]

can anyone tell me what extractly Homura is doing to QB in this sprite? it from the PSP's game file :heh:
http://i.imgur.com/zxKLS.png
Maybe she wants to kill him...

[SRanger]

the game's writer wrote it, as i said it a translation, not a made up dialog by fan.

Wait...it's a legit translation? Does that mean they have plans of bringing this overseas?

[AuraTwilight]

No, he's saying it's a translation of the original script, and not some fanfiction.

[Kirito]

Maybe she wants to kill him...

Wasn't that her goal to begin with.

[Snork]

PVU_NUtSVos

Well, as much of a "good" ending as you usually get with Urobuchi, but this sure looks like the farthest he'd be willing to go for Sayaka. She overcomes her crisis, bonds with Kyouko right up to "precious friends" status and... dies fighting Walpurgis Night, yeah. :sad: But even that manages to be a bit better than ep 12 (dying heroically with an image of yourself as a protector of the town and burning yourself away mid-fight because of your own emotional burden are different things).

[Solace]

I don't think he planned for that music to kick in at 19:30. :heh:

[Kirito]

So Sayaka never gets the boy and dies, but in a heroic but redundant fashion and her "Precious friend/girlfriends gets left behind.. Sayaka, and Mami, sure end up getting the short end of the stick...as always -_-.

[Kazu-kun]

So Sayaka never gets the boy and dies, but in a heroic but redundant fashion and her "Precious friend/girlfriends gets left behind.. Sayaka, and Mami, sure end up getting the short end of the stick...as always -_-.

Well, Sayaka gets a better ending in Homura's route so it's not such a big deal. She never gets the boy though....

[Kirito]

Well, Sayaka gets a better ending in Homura's route so it's not such a big deal. She never gets the boy though....

Yeah, I totally expected that one -_-.

Oh well, there's always a cute tomboyish redhead who would die for her love and attention, and as a Sayaka fan (being my second favourite character) I can take that as a win! "Thumbs Up":love::)

[Snork]

She never gets the boy though....

Wasn't there an ending where she ends up with Kamijou?

[Kimidori]

Wasn't there an ending where she ends up with Kamijou?

no, in the route she does have kyosuke's love, she ended up dying in Walpurgis Night. and in the route she survive Walpurgis Night, she never got kyosuke's love.
it still a miracle that Gen even let Sayaka alive in one route anyway, since he said that:
-Urobuchi read the script of the game. He felt that Sayaka might not be bullied bad enough. He got some protest from the seiyuu for that opinion.

-Urobuchi will never give Sayaka her happy ending. Well, at least not with Kyousuke as her love interest

:heh::heh::heh:

[Kazu-kun]

Wasn't there an ending where she ends up with Kamijou?

She gets Kamijou in the bonus route, but that's the one route that isn't canon, so getting together with him only in that route it's sort of an ironic joke against her :heh:.

[Triple_R]

She gets Kamijou in the bonus route, but that's the one route that isn't canon, so getting together with him only in that route it's sort of an ironic joke against her :heh:.

I'm curious as to what "canon" and "non-canon" really mean in the context of this game. Obviously none of these routes are canonical going by the anime narrative (well, unless there's one identical to the anime), but within the game itself, if you get an end then that is a 'legit ending', isn't it?

Saying that all but one end in the game is canonical sounds weird to me (barring a sequel, perhaps, where some ends don't factor into the sequel - This being an issue with the old Command and Conquer games, amongst others).

[Kazu-kun]

Saying that all but one end in the game is canonical sounds weird to me (barring a sequel, perhaps, where some ends don't factor into the sequel - This being an issue with the old Command and Conquer games, amongst others).

What I meant is that all routes and endings (including the anime ending) except the bonus route are canon possibilities in the context of Urobuchi's story.

The bonus route is an exception because it's made up of jokes and silly stuff. According to Urobuchi himself it's the only route that's unrelated to the story, so you have things like Mami becoming and idol, Sayaka getting together with Kamijo, Hitomi having a crush on Homura, and that sort of crazy things.

[Kirito]

What I meant is that all routes and endings (including the anime ending) except the bonus route are canon possibilities in the context of Urobuchi's story.

The bonus route is an exception because it's made up of jokes and silly stuff. According to Urobuchi himself it's the only route that's unrelated to the story, so you have things like Mami becoming and idol, Sayaka getting together with Kamijo, Hitomi having a crush on Homura, and that sort of crazy things.

He probably did that so that fans of Mami and Sayaka (namely me!:)) can stop crying "why didn't Sayaka get the guy?", "Why did you kill off Mami in Episode 3?" and get forgiven for the tragedies and the short ends they received throughout the series. Even though it's still a slap to the face to the characters and the sacrifices that they made to become Magical Girls, I don't know whether the joke endings are something I can take in stride or I'm being biased of the route in general I don't know.:heh:

[Solace]

I think the point here is that Urobochi is basically saying "anything is possible". This not only gives him a valid setting to build any story he could dream up, it also offers fans as much optimism or negativity as they want. He may stick to one particular route as the story he wants to tell, but because it is a universe of infinite possibilities you could theoretically make any story you wanted to.

So some stories might be "Gretchen killed the universe, the end" or some stories might be "Homura nuked Kyubey's home planet, the end" or "Sayaka and Kyouko have hot lesbian sex, woot".

And none of them would really be wrong. He gets the creative freedom to tell the story he wants, and opens up the floor to people who want to write their own Madoka universe stories (like Shinbo's FMP/slice of life idea). It's an exciting thought, in my opinion, because it offers the potential for the franchise to stay fresh since it won't be trapped in a strict narrative.

[Kazu-kun]

I think the point here is that Urobochi is basically saying "anything is possible".

Not anything. He has made it clear some things are just not possible (Sayaka getting Kamijou, for instance).

But yeah, this setting gives him quite a bit of creative freedom to play around with different possible plot developments, as shown in the game.

[maximilianjenus]

the character personalities and world mechanics also have to bbe respected, so crazy stuff like mami regrowing her head, madoka being useful or sayaka becoming homura's friend still can't happen

[Kimidori]

sayaka becoming homura's friend still can't happen

it did happen in homura route :rolleyes:

[maximilianjenus]

she was faking it, her real intention was to kill homura.

[Kimidori]

she was faking it, her real intention was to kill homura.

lol, sayaka no such intention in homura route. in homura route tea party ending, homura back to her glassed self and everyone become friend
http://images.puella-magi.net/f/f5/Tea_Party_Ending_with_English_Words.jpg

btw, i just found a wonderful tsundere moment between homura and kyoko in the game:
In Kyoko's route, when Kyoko comes to help Homura with her fight against Walpurgis Night (despite she was mad at Homura for killing Oktavia, she later felt guilt for breaking the promise to fight Walpurgis) after Kyoko tells Homura that she is not fighting for her sake and claims that she wants grief seeds from Walpurgis, Homura simply smiles at her and calls her an idiot as she thanks her.

Kyoko: Don’t get the wrong idea. It’s not like I came to help you out. And I’m not interested in saving people either. It’s just that my Soul Gem got corrupted thanks to Sayaka. And I just need a huge ass grief seed, okay?!

Homura: *smiles* Idiot...

Kyoko: Takes one to know one!

Homura: Thank you

Kyoko: I’ve do nothing to be thankful for!

Homura: Are...we...friends?

Kyoko: Let’s set that aside for now! We’ll talk after we beat that thing down!

some more KyoHomu from the game:

After that Homura later asks Kyoko if they are friends but Kyoko changes the topic. Later they are defeated by Walpurgis and Kyoko attempts to use her last attack, as she calls it, but a concerned Homura stops her from doing it so (probably believing that she would sacrifice herself) causing Kyoko to call her a creep.

For some strange reason in the True Ending, Homura calls Kyoko "Sakura-san" instead of her first name, like she did before.

[Triple_R]

Not anything. He has made it clear some things are just not possible (Sayaka getting Kamijou, for instance).

Then why give a bonus route where this in fact does happen?

Nothing that happens in this bonus route sounds downright unimaginable to me (like, say, Homura and Madoka becoming archenemies with each other), so if people want to think of the bonus route as a legit possible ending, then I don't see why anybody (including even Gen) should rain on that parade.

We can think of certain routes as less likely than others, and that's perfectly fine, but to argue that one of them is completely impossible seems silly to me. Why bother to have such a route exist in the first place if it's not even remotely possible?

[Kimidori]

Then why give a bonus route where this in fact does happen?

Nothing that happens in this bonus route sounds downright unimaginable to me (like, say, Homura and Madoka becoming archenemies with each other), so if people want to think of the bonus route as a legit possible ending, then I don't see why anybody (including even Gen) should rain on that parade.

We can think of certain routes as less likely than others, and that's perfectly fine, but to argue that one of them is completely impossible seems silly to me. Why bother to have such a route exist in the first place if it's not even remotely possible?

the developer said that it a joke route, made for lol. :heh:
Gen himself said that bonus route is canonly impossible

do you really think that these silly things can happen in madoka?

>Bonus route is basically full of jokes, drama, and wtfness

>just, key things are.

>Homu slaps Madoka for calling her clumsy and stupid

>Sayaka and hitomi fight over kyousuke physically and verbally

>Idol mami-san

>super sweet homura-chun

>Ending. Everyone beats walpurgis

>OUR FIGHT HAS JUST BEGUN

>homura facepalms and reverses time.

[Kazu-kun]

We can think of certain routes as less likely than others, and that's perfectly fine, but to argue that one of them is completely impossible seems silly to me. Why bother to have such a route exist in the first place if it's not even remotely possible?

Why are you asking this? We aren't arguing anything. The creators of the game said that bonus route isn't canon, so what can we do about that? I don't really mind Sayaka hooking up with Kamijo myself, but Gen says it's not possible so....

As to why bother including that route in the first place... I can only guess but I suppose it's some sort of omake. Having Sayaka getting Kamijo in that route (where it doesn't count) is a pretty mean-spirited "joke", but you know that Gen likes to torture Sayaka for some reason. Again, what can we do about that?

[bhl88]

Is there a route where Sayaka doesn't make the contract?