Bernd Baltzar (Gunka no Baltzer) -19th Century Warfare manga [Archive]

MrTerrorist

2011-08-27, 01:37

From Mangaupdates:
Glory being won over the roar of cannon fire. Peace exists simply as a time to prepare for the next battle. In a military advanced nation, Baltzar advanced quickly up in the ranks. However, his career takes a sudden turn when he is reassigned as a military advisor in a neighboring allied nation with little military power and the lack of civilian support of firearms. Will Major Baltzar be able to win over the hearts of the soldiers and civilians?

A very good manga i just read. The setting is set during the 19th century and the main character is a Major sent to an allied nation to teach it's military cadets on 19th century warfare and winning over it's pacifist populace.

I enjoyed the 1800's uniforms, the tactics and it's setting but what i enjoyed the most is the main character Baltzar.

MrTerrorist

2011-09-28, 20:54

Now its time for Infantry training. Baltzar gets into an argument with a nasty drill instructor who happens to be a prince.

I wonder if he can escape from his wrath and convince the school to get newer rifles?

MrTerrorist

2011-11-22, 01:13

So Baltzar and the Prince have an argument of different philosophies in battle with the former believing in training the soldiers individually in the skills their are good at while latter doesn't and thinks they should only obey their superiors and nothing more.

And to prove that his philosophy is correct, the arrogant prince arranges a test where Baltzar and five convict soldiers battle 50 enemy convict soldiers in a deep valley to see if individual soldiers are better.

PS: Now it has a TVTropes page (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manga/GunkaNoBalzer)!

Tiresias

2011-11-22, 02:37

MrTerrorist

2011-11-22, 02:59

Oh thank God, I was worried that this manga was dropped.

...the thread title's incorrect though, since judging by the weapons they're no longer in a Napoleonic era, not with the advent of bolt-action rifles :heh:

Apologies about that. When i read the 1st chapter, i assume it was Napoleonic era due to the uniforms but now the manga shows it's actually Industrial era.:heh:

MrTerrorist

2011-12-12, 07:01

As expected, Baltzar beaten the enemy army thanks to their guns and tactics. And the plot thickens! Looks like Weissen wants to reunify Baselland into their country even if means going to war. An while Prince Ryner is a jerkass noble, his older brother, the Crown Prince, is much more worse.

And Volume 1 ends.
PS: The Extra notes about the food makes me hungry.

reashot

2012-01-12, 10:33

http://8.p.s.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9110/01-003.0/compressed/kgunka_no_balzer_v1_ch03_p090.jpg

first post

the muzzleloader in Gunka no Baltzar is using a flintlock mechanism instead of using a percussion cap it seems

reashot

2012-01-12, 10:44

anybody interested on making Baltzar wiki?

reashot

2012-01-12, 13:05

Gunka no Baltzar Map.

http://4.p.s.mfcdn.net/store/manga/9110/01-005.0/compressed/hgunka_no_balzer_v001_ch005_p176.jpg

Weissen seems to be inspired by the the former North German Confederation and seems to have the same problem of the North German Confederation (trying to absorb their southern neighbors into their political sphere)

reashot

2012-01-18, 13:54

Chapter 6 is out!

MrTerrorist

2012-01-18, 14:40

Nice.
So we learn about muskets and how Baltzar tries to treat the students well but doesn't pamper them. Meanwhile, Prince Ryner arrives at a factory. Looks like the Prince wants the factory to make rifles for the infantry.

Bonta Kun

2012-03-06, 19:15

Been meaning to give this a go when I saw the thread awhile back but just never got round to it till I saw chapter 7 was just released and gave the series a read.
And it's actually quite good, not bad at all.
So far it's kinda stayed on topic and glad it has altho it's only been 7 chapters and like any story can go off the rails at any time but I get the feeling we might not see that....at least not for some time.

Can kinda guess at some stuff to come but how it all unravels should be an interesting read.
I wonder if that prince/king(the older brother) will regret his current "lifestyle" seems almost too obvious.....kinda hope it does actually go how I imagine, never been fond of them types anyway.

Look forward to seeing more now.

MrTerrorist

2012-03-07, 09:01

Interesting. There's a conflict with the 2nd Prince who wants to modernize the Baselland's military by making their own rifles without importing from Weiben while the merchant guilds are resiting change and part of the anti-Weiben movement. I bet Rudolf has something to do with this as he's making Baselland weak by convincing the Crown Prince that there's no need to modernize so that Weiben can easily invade Baselland.

MrTerrorist

2012-04-06, 01:55

Rudolf Liebknecht is a Magnificent Bastard. He lead a coup-detat with his fellow officers in order to over throw the Weiben government which he considers weak. Baltzar ratted them out to the government to stop them which they crush the coup forces before they all committed suicide. However it turns out, he was using the coup to make them into martyrs so that the Weiben government became more pro-military. And now he wants to use the rivalry between Baselland Princes and the people and the military in order to make the country weak for Weiben to conquer it.

With a people's revolt coming, will Baltzar be able to stop them?

MrTerrorist

2012-05-11, 01:30

What a surprise. Helmut is a girl! And now the Academy has deal with the insurgents.

MrTerrorist

2012-06-19, 02:09

It's Baltzar's Calvary versus the Insurgents!
Will the situation end with the less bloodshed or more?
Now to wait for volume 3.

MrTerrorist

2012-10-27, 07:05

The aftermath of the uprising sees a battle for the support of the people with Rudolf trying to make it look like innocents being attack by a ruthless army while Baltzar trying to make it look like brave young men being kill by a vicious mob.

And then came the twist of another power, Erzreich, who also has an eye on Baselland, whose Empress is the princes great aunt and Rudolf's new boss. So the Baselland has to either ally with one major power or another with both princes supporting one side. Whatever happens, Baltzar job just got complicated.

Bern-san

2012-10-27, 08:37

The last chapter was great, Baltzar is in a pinch but I'm sure he will succeed in his plans. Or maybe it will end in a great war?

Nightengale

2012-10-27, 09:31

I've enjoyed the series greatly so far, but I'm kinda concerned regarding how the series is pivoting itself.

It feels like it's not really looking to develop the student characters or establish a key cast of prominent supporting characters, but rather just revolve the story around the main protagonist, using the setting's characters as-needed to further the plot.

Bern-san

2012-10-27, 09:35

MrTerrorist

2012-12-06, 10:38

I'm impreseds with Baltzar ability to plan ahead and get the right people to make Baselland and Weiben unite over a railway. Such good politics.

MrTerrorist

2013-03-19, 02:10

Bicycles vs Horses race?
Well done Helmut!

MrTerrorist

2013-04-04, 23:31

Now what will Baltzar do?
The 2nd Prince is offering him to join Baselland to modernize it and lead a coup detat to overthrow his older brother.
And that's the end of volume 3. Now to wait for volume 4.

MrTerrorist

2013-05-02, 13:55

Looks like the prince got tricked into joining a war with Weiben against another kingdom that started a naval blockade.

KrimzonStriker

2013-05-02, 14:59

I wish it would also focus more on the students,especially the trap

I think people have to be careful in this regard, otherwise it could devolve into almost filler-ish content. There has to be a balance of using the main storyline as a means of character development, like say with the second prince recently, rather then focusing solely on the students. A good example would be the new rail-way president, versus a bad example of say frauleins chapter in 14 which I thought was rather weak and side-offish

Bern-san

2013-07-03, 15:40

I think people have to be careful in this regard, otherwise it could devolve into almost filler-ish content. There has to be a balance of using the main storyline as a means of character development, like say with the second prince recently, rather then focusing solely on the students. A good example would be the new rail-way president, versus a bad example of say frauleins chapter in 14 which I thought was rather weak and side-offish
I wouldn't want them to have full-focus, Baltzar and his political troubles are interesting. Maybe some little extras with them.

I hope the translators release a new chapter... I miss the manga.

willx

2014-02-07, 10:06

Hm, wow, I just discovered this manga -- and I LOVE it! :love:

Tenzen12

2014-02-07, 10:10

And new chapter came out today, it doesn't realy looks good. Enemy has BOTH great numbers and skilled commander.

MrTerrorist

2014-02-07, 10:16

No kidding. Looks like Holbeck has Naval support, a larger number of troops and cavalry.

Avrorrange

2014-02-07, 19:41

No kidding. Looks like Holbeck has Naval support, a larger number of troops and cavalry.

Not surprising.Holbeck=Denmark and Holstein. Weissen=Prussia. Prussia doesn't really have a proper navy until the German reunification.Difference is that Holbeck seems to be much more powerful than Denmark ever was in real life.

reashot

2014-02-07, 20:03

Not surprising.Holbeck=Denmark and Holstein. Weissen=Prussia. Prussia doesn't really have a proper navy until the German reunification.Difference is that Holbeck seems to be much more powerful than Denmark ever was in real life.

I though Holbeck's Swedish. Cause 7 years ago Weissen just acquire a country that is located eerily similar as the one located on the Juttland Peninsula.

Avrorrange

2014-02-07, 20:10

I though Holbeck's Swedish. Cause 7 years ago Weissen just acquire a country that is located eerily similar as the one located on the Juttland Peninsula.
Historically, the country that Prussia fought against and had trouble with it's navy was Denmark.Besides that, the country that Prussia took territory from was Denmark. Prussia took Holstein,Schleswig and some other parts of the Jutland Peninsula I think.Furthermore, the entirety of Jutland belonged to Denmark back then.

reashot

2014-02-07, 20:46

Historically, the country that Prussia fought against and had trouble with it's navy was Denmark.Besides that, the country that Prussia took territory from was Denmark. Prussia took Holstein,Schleswig and some other parts of the Jutland Peninsula I think.Furthermore, the entirety of Jutland belonged to Denmark back then.

Denmark's portrayed as the Norden-Trade principality in the manga. Before the war they were part of the Swedish/Holbeck empire in there. Then there's a civil war for independence, Weissen intervene & Norden-Trade got their "independence." Weissen gain access to the northern sea trade route.

Avrorrange

2014-02-07, 20:57

Denmark's portrayed as the Norden-Trade principality in the manga. Before the war they were part of the Swedish/Holbeck empire in there. Then there's a civil war for independence, Weissen intervene & Norden-Trade got their "independence." Weissen gain access to the northern sea trade route.

I imagined Norden-Trade would be Holstein-Schleswig here then. Holstein-Schleswig was a mostly German area ruled by Denmark.In real life, Holstein-Schleswig pretty much declared independence against Denmark and received Prussian intervention, but they lost the first war anyone.

Daniel E.

2014-02-09, 02:40

reashot

2014-02-09, 13:32

Guys, we have told you plenty of times that linking to any scanlation site is not allowed here. Likewise, hotlinking to said sites is also not allowed.

I must also ask you not to upload a manga page each time you post. This is not an image thread, nor is there a need to post a manga page to get your point across each time.

Will do. I will be more mindful in the future. One problem is this manga genre almost requires the need of some sort of a "Visual aid" in order to truly understand some of the stuffs in it. It's not like other genre where they play footloose with reality this manga is grounded in reality.

Can I still post some other pictures from other site or alter any image in the manga in someway?
http://www.web4homes.com/rendezvous/Cannon%20Dissappearing%20CA%201896%2010%20Diagram. jpg

Like using pictures of this Coastal cannon to be used as comparison as the one in the manga?

cupumanager

2014-02-18, 01:02

MrTerrorist,
Isn't Gunka no Baltzar is more of an Fantastic Counterpart of The German Reunification in Mid-19th century than Napoleonic Early 19th century? So its more Victorian rather than Napoleonic...
Baltzar himself, when he saw Baselland's Napoleonic Tactics, pretty much comments that Its something like his Grandfather would use...

Can I alter any image in the manga in someway?

Yeah, I'm wondering about his as well... we need something from the manga itself to compare with. Is it permitted?

Well, have we seen the Kanzler of Weißen yet? Maybe there is some kind of Bismarck character in the government... or will the Chief of Staff fill that position?

Now, about the 20th chapter:
This ...Hauptmann Nielsen of Holbeck Cuirassiers seems have no problems whatsoever at sacrificing Holbeck Marines and Infantry...First he uses The Marines simply as a bait to goad the Weißen Garrison to the cliffs, where Holbeck Navy ships can get clear, unobstructed Line of Fire for an accurate pinpoint bombardment rather than area bombardment. But again, the Weißen Hauptmann isn't too bright to let his men into open ground when there are dozens of Holbeck Warships on the waters...

Looks like the Holbeck army itself are still entrenched in old antiquated mentality, even if it seems that their technology are quite advanced, looking at their Infantry Rifles...Nielsen himself is a Cavalryman that seems enjoying more of Charging home into the enemy, he even seems doing all of this just to set a stage for some Cavalry action ; but this is not isolated to him alone, as even ordinary Holbeck Infantryman are Bayonet-Happy.

MrTerrorist

2014-02-18, 11:57

^At the time i made this thread, i assume the manga was set during the Napoleon era until someone told me what was the correct era the manga is set.

Anyway, the thread title has been changed to reflect that.

Greenish Growth

2014-02-18, 13:09

Technologically speaking, what would their world be the rough equivalent of?

Around our 1850's time period?

What technology are they using that's the oldest and the most advanced if they were in our world?

cupumanager

2014-02-19, 07:35

Yes, about 1850s-1860s.

As shown on the manga itself, they already has things like Railroads, Steam Engine, Telegraph, Steamships, Penny Farthing Bicycles, Mass Steel Production, Machined Tools, Replaceable Parts, Photographic Camera...

The Advanced Weaponry of the age were:
-Bolt-Action Breechloader Rifle
The newest Weißen Rifles. However, the rifles depicted in-manga were Mauser 1898(5 shot magazine, Smokeless Powder Brass Cartridge) rather than Dreyse M1841 (Single Shot, Black Powder Paper Cartridge) that real-life Preußen Army should use.
-Revolver Pistol
Baltzar himself have atleast 2, used when rescuing in the cellar. The Weißen Commander in the village also use one.
-Breechloader Rifled Cannon
The cannon inside the railway yard; The Cannon inside Prince Reiner secret room; Weißen Coastal Defense Cannons.
-Lever-Action Breechloader Rifle
Used by Weißen Chief of Staff when hunting boar.
-Mitrailleuse Volley Gun
The Gun that Baltzar said, the technology stolen from a certain neighboring country (In real life, France)

And the weaponry that considered old and antiquated are mostly what we see used by Baselland...
-Flintlock Musket
Baselland Standard Infantry weapon in the early part of the manga.
-Smoothbore Cannon
The Cannon used by Baselland Artillery Corps.

cupumanager

2014-03-14, 11:50

...I've always been thinking, that this Manga, filled to the brim with Good-Looking Men in Gorgeous Uniform, is a perfect Fujoshi Bait...

Well, Whaddaya Know...

Nakajima Michitsune, or His Circle, Ikuseitousi, work such kind of Doujins...In fact, The Character Design of Bernd Baltzer and Reiner von Winkelfeld is a direct copy of how Prussia and Germany were portrayed in their Hetalia Yaoi H-Doujin...

Don't believe me? google it for yourselves, I not going to link such things in here: Ikuseitousi, Hetalia DJ, Indirect Approach Strategy, Prussia x Germany.

Tenzen12

2014-03-14, 11:55

Well I was also always thinking that

...until most gorgeous guy who was best fujoshi bait out of all didn't turned to be gorgerous girl:D

cupumanager

2014-03-14, 13:42

HOH, She's so hot in dem Fur-lined Pelisse, Atilla Tunic, and Tight Breeches...

Mmh, nothing beats 19th century Uniforms - The Hussar Pelisse coat even entered Civilian Women Fashion...

reashot

2014-04-25, 12:00

Just read the latest chapter (omake though)

Baltzer is now taking a break from saving his students from bullets to saving his students from the threat of STD.
(edited from the Manga)
http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p695/reashot/baltzer01_zps864bb565.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma2ozgDTjM1rf2jmdo1_400.gif

Avrorrange

2014-04-25, 12:12

:heh:Face-palm from reading the omake.... By the way, what does Baltzer mean when he said "looks like I wasn't infected"?

Kna

2014-04-25, 12:30

No good deed goes unpunished....:heh:

reashot

2014-04-25, 12:42

:heh:Face-palm from reading the omake.... By the way, what does Baltzer mean when he said "looks like I wasn't infected"?

As long as your "batmobile" doesn't enter the herpes filled woman "batcave" you pretty much dodge a bullet there.

Avrorrange

2014-04-25, 13:18

As long as your "batmobile" doesn't enter the herpes filled woman "batcave" you pretty much dodge a bullet there.

What I meant is why did he say that in the first place if he hasn't done the act with another of those prostitutes in the chapter?

MrTerrorist

2014-04-25, 13:31

What I meant is why did he say that in the first place if he hasn't done the act with another of those prostitutes in the chapter?

To give information to the reader that he didn't get any STDs.

Anyway, poor Baltzar. He save those prostitutes life and health from STDs for free.
And his reward? Banned! lol :D

About the extras:
The apple pie looks nice.
Never knew taking a refreshing steam bath took that long.
Helmut looks beautiful in a Drindl. The other two... not so much. :heh:

cupumanager

2014-04-26, 02:00

Helmut looks beautiful in a Drindl. The other two... not so much. :heh:
Meh, why Paul and Thomas?

Get Dieter in one of those Dirndl alongside Helmut...I bet it would suit him perfectly...

and why, oh why, are the Cadet boys ended up wearing those anyway? What kind of sick officer would order his subordinate to do that? For what? To compensate his pent up fury of barred from getting whores celebrate his triumph of saving the students from STD-riddled Brothel?

cupumanager

2014-05-14, 15:36

reashot

2014-05-15, 08:14

...Did Nielson just have a Boner?

...or my mind just wander too far, and that was his knee...

...but what with all of that "Eek, hide all the girls!"?

I mean, whats the...uh, point? Battles such a turn on for him?

When faced with life & death situation human tend to get "horny":D. Soldiers especially. When being relocated far from home. You can bet there's a brothel not to far away from the base. Mostly used to unwind.

& yeah for new chapter! :love:

but it ended with a cliffhanger :mad:

& a new map of the region. (edited from the page)
http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p695/reashot/img000010_zpse9b14455.jpg
Weisen: Prussia/North German Federation.
Baseland: A possible expy of South German countries. (Probably Bavaria)
Erzreich: Austria.
Norden-Trade: Probably Denmark. (Annexed by Weissen & is currently being contested by Holback)
Holback: Definitely Sweden.

MrTerrorist

2014-05-15, 10:07

Whoa. Nielson just broke the Geneva Convention of treating wounded enemy prisoners.
Now that the Holbeck Cavalry is here, will Baltzer and his men defeat them?

reashot

2014-05-16, 01:44

Whoa. Nielson just broke the Geneva Convention of treating wounded enemy prisoners.
Now that the Holbeck Cavalry is here, will Baltzer and his men defeat them?

Is there even a "Geneva" in there?:p Even though there's no Geneva executing the wounded seems to be "look down upon" even by the Holbeck soldiers.

This is Balzer we talking about & Where's the Germa.... Weissen Cavalry when you need one?

reashot

2014-05-16, 11:12

BTW. I just noticed that the artist seems to make multiple errors on what kind of "rifle" the Holback army supposed to have:

(All images are edited)
http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p695/reashot/img000027_zps6772de0c.jpg
This one seems to be flintlock.

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p695/reashot/img0000282_zps710fc9fd.jpg
While on this page the soldiers uses lever-action rifles!

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p695/reashot/dcde35d7-5c1b-4ba8-983a-27e4670c75af_zps2c5e429a.jpg?t=1400256579
Then on the next page all the rifles then changed to bolt-action.

The only thing in common with all of these is that the Holback army uses socket Bayonet compared to Weissen sword bayonet:
http://www.collegehillarsenal.com/shop/images/P/EWB-1533-Product.jpg

cupumanager

2014-05-17, 02:24

This is Balzer we talking about & Where's the Germa.... Weissen Cavalry when you need one?
No, This is Baltzer we are talking about: Where's The Weißen Artillery Corps when you need them.

Nah, this isn't some regular lack of sexual targets, but a full-blown War Boner - even his lieutenant call him sick warmonger. If he's not a Noble, he won't survive such incidents - and its implied that this wasn't the first time.

By the way, I was looking for Fanarts, and for such an obscure manga, it have quite a sizeable number in pixiv- more than Vinland Saga in fact ...for some reasons or the others...

reashot

2014-05-22, 09:20

Yeah just saw the new chapter. The Allied forces got pulverized by the Cavalry!

cupumanager

2014-05-22, 14:39

Hmmm...how many Cuirassiers do Nielson commands? Several Hundred? Even though the charge easily mow the Square, the Rifle fire from Two Infantry Companies should make some heavy casualties amongst the Cavalry.

Close-range repelling volley are powerful, no matter with smoothbore muskets or longer ranged rifles. One memoir from the Napoleonic War reported that a Musket Volley in Waterloo managed to scatter and disperse 100 Cuirassiers, even though only actually killing 8 men and 12 horses. Morale Shock really counts; the falling first rank trips and stumbled the ranks behind, breaking the formation. Breechloading Rifles should be able to hit earlier when they are further, and may able to squeeze some more shots before the melee.

But I should mention that Nielson cleverly position his charge where only one of the square have clear line of fire - the other square cannot use their firepower fully, in risk of friendly fire. Not to mention in Squares less men can bear their gun to the target, compared to line, because of the shape. The Cuirassiers also managed to keep cohesion and momentum when being shot. Holbeck Cuirassiers also isn't your regular Cuirassier: They are armed with Halberds, not only Sabres. Lancers generally have better records at breaking Infantry Formation than Sabreurs.

Ah, make me wanna try recreate this in FoTS...2 Shogunate Guards with Chassepots in Square Formation, against several Sengoku Great Guards...

Kyosuke_Nanbu

2014-05-23, 01:09

I stopped trying to make sense the tech of this series when the author try to show the tech gap between Weiben and Basehand with Ball musket and Bolt action rifle despite they are neighbors. It is ridiculous as the conversion to rifle from smoothbore musket is easy.the bottleneck is ammo which cn be solved easy with new mold when you knew the new design like Minie balls.Surely some of them have a rifle as they were high class hunting weapon before the invention of methods to fast loading rifle

It is even more glaring if you are reading Safehold like me....

cupumanager

2014-05-23, 15:04

The author deliberately exaggerates this. The Rifle and Locomotive used by Weißen are also too advanced for 1860s, but that's why he set the story in a paper-thin fantasy version of the real history - to give leeways.

The Weißen Rifle for example - Its looks like Brass-cased M1898, even with 20th century bent handle. The real world Prussian of the era used M1841 paper cartridge Bolt Action with much longer bayonet than the manga counterpart.

Dieter can clean clogs by making a small ditch in a bore...how if he made some and giving it some twist...

Now, The Entire Strunz Heavy Industries - They can convert rifled muskets in Industrial scale; Reboring the barrel with rifling, replace the flintlock
mechanism and cut the breech into trapdoor/rollingblock/snuffbox configuration .

Before the riots, remember Prince Reiner had the intention to do this after the demonstration. Baselland should modernize their arms by themselves. However the subsequent affairs made this largely forgotten. I hope this will be touched again later.

Not that Baltzer really care - Baselland Royal Guards armed by Weißen made guns? Thats a good deal.

Kyosuke_Nanbu

2014-05-23, 22:45

reashot

2014-06-07, 05:07

New chapter just come out & every Baseland soldiers is dead as expected. Nothing interesting happen in the chapter.

cupumanager

2014-06-07, 13:46

Its either there are more Cavalry that flanked the line so the Baselland Infantry need to turn back and picked them off longer; or that is the weakest Rifle Volleys ever that The Cuirassiers charge were not distrupted by accurate Rifle Fire...

The problem is that Baseland still use ball while the rest of its neighbors reached Precussion cap rifle bullet stage already.There surely be a period of Rifle musket that author conviniently omit to show the big gap which shouldn't exist as everyone should change into Rifle musket as soon as new method to load rifle for musket invented.

It can be totolerated if the reader just want to read some manga with thin historical backfground but when you read series like Safehold, you can just stop and thinking how ridiculous it was
Yeah, it can be ridiculous how armies and governments cannot equip their footsoldiers with better armaments in space of couple of years. Stonewall Jackson's surgeon knew the General was shot by his own men, not Federal Infantry since lots of Confederate Infantry still used balls.
Many Cavalrymen in American Civil War have to buy Repeating Rifles and Revolvers themselves along with the ammo since the Army only supplied them with Sabres and single-shot Carbines. It took a couple of years before US Armories could produce Rifled Muskets and CSA to import them from Europe in the thousands.

MrTerrorist

2014-08-02, 06:17

Chapter 24 is out.
So we found one of the Weissen officers has a personal reason on spying on Baltzar.

cupumanager

2014-08-03, 10:25

...Is That a City-Class River Ironclad?
http://ironbrigader.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/USS_St_Louis.jpg
Boy...they really need to get Weissen Artillery Corps support there, fast.

reashot

2014-09-23, 10:15

Found this on Tumblr:
https://40.media.tumblr.com/d6451683b7a3c26f2dca52b2f77cf4ed/tumblr_n8czut2ImG1svf6v1o6_500.png
https://40.media.tumblr.com/ea8fbc3e4c324743e29ad92d1b82f6f3/tumblr_n8czut2ImG1svf6v1o1_500.png
https://41.media.tumblr.com/cb07c2fe2d5e834c56bbd1ed816b18b2/tumblr_n8czut2ImG1svf6v1o2_500.png
https://41.media.tumblr.com/fd226c8b2d708beeccdded13702c2ee9/tumblr_n8czut2ImG1svf6v1o3_500.png

source: http://reibird.tumblr.com/

& shippers Ahoy:
https://41.media.tumblr.com/b519470158013366cb947ce6f296cc65/tumblr_n18lopoMXI1slbkjao1_1280.jpg

source: http://hsuyu.tumblr.com/

cupumanager

2014-09-23, 12:23

Bu...but, but, that's not the pairing pixiv fanarts lead me to believe! Well, kidding, but Beautiful Helmut in a Dress, at a Dancing Ball is what basically you'll get if you read the RAWs(Do we ever know her real, female name?). Also, several new characters, including a Female War Correspondent

Also that, remembering the lineage of the work, as Gunka no Baltzar originally grew from Hetalia Doujins...

NFSW Link:
http://myreadingmanga.info/ikusei-toushi-hetalia-dj-die-nationale-urlandschaft-des-sonnenunterganges-jp/#comment-100302

Tenzen12

2014-09-23, 16:03

It's so ironic that I almost droped GnB after few first chapters because because Beltzar and Helmut looked "too gay" to me:D

cupumanager

2014-09-24, 09:26

I think that impression come from Baltzar doing some of those molester faces, a lot, when whispering to her.

Admittedly, Helmut is one fine Reverse Trap, well prepared at that. Look at DAT CODPIECE
http://i.imgur.com/vaIEMWq.jpg

See?

Anyway, how many of The Cavalry Cadets who knows that She's actually a Girl? The Instructor Staff definitely know, but do Jurgen von Breitner?

Avrorrange

2014-09-24, 10:15

MrTerrorist

2014-12-26, 16:29

The Holobeck Cavalry is massacred after falling into trap made by Baltzar where he and his troops surround the cavalry with barbed wire.

James Rye

2014-12-26, 17:12

The Holobeck Cavalry is massacred after falling into trap made by Baltzar where he and his troops surround the cavalry with barbed wire.

The new chapter translation is out?! o.O
Where, where, where? Can't find it on the dozen sites I visit to read mangas! D:

IAmAsianNoob

2014-12-26, 17:25

It was out a couple days ago by Egscans as part of their christmas mass release(damn the amount was insane)

Chapter 26:
http://read.egscans.com/Gunka_no_Balzer/Chapter_026
Christmas joy bundle:
http://egscans.com/christmas-joy/

Ghiest Cid

2014-12-26, 17:43

Wow, I completely forgotten this until now.

reashot

2015-01-02, 01:20

Yay its back! :hyper-^v^:

More chapter release please EGS :bow:

(All images has been edited.) Also a new information about a "new continent" which mean 'Murica will soon appear and beat the Nazi Weissen in the next war:
http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p695/reashot/american_wire_zps619f7c3a.jpg
http://www.navymemes.com/uploads/posts/t/l-1083.jpg

A sign for things to come:
http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p695/reashot/premonition_zpsbd3aa250.jpg

Uh-oh...
http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p695/reashot/slit_zps81c2055a.jpg

And a bonus :D:
http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p695/reashot/scan_bath_zpsc405770a.jpg

cupumanager

2015-01-02, 03:05

There should be a Spin-Out of the Extras:

Fussball Manager Baltzar
Kinda like Giant Killing, but with Prussian Precision and Military Efficiency

cupumanager

2015-01-10, 17:44

Chapter 27

The Saber Virgin, Dressed in Color...

Helmut enjoyed playing Horse Artillery too much...but could you say no to her apology face?

At Last, an honest-to-god Named Female Character...what is her connection to Liebknecht, I wonder?

Apparently, The Holbeck River Ironclad isn't as Iron-cladded as City-Class. When seen in close, at Nielson and Liebknecht scene, it looks like wood texture...this may explain why a Weißen Artillery Battery could disable one of them that easily with Field Guns which doesn't seem like heavy pieces...

MrTerrorist

2015-01-14, 06:05

Another female character. Nice. And she's a reporter too.

James Rye

2015-01-14, 09:16

And a very witty one at that as well. She so has Bernd playing by her melody with having info about Liebknecht, he gonna tell her everything she wanna hear for the share of what could be important informations about his arch nemesis.^^

James Rye

2015-01-27, 14:50

New raw is out! I hope this gets an anime some day. <3

3 big conflicts pretty much.
One is about the calvary students who feel they became unneeded through the military technology and them trying to hold on their tradition to battle with horse and sword. And apparently they didn't succeed and it looks like the calvary won't be the same it once was.

The other is about the mother from the two princes and her sister/aunt(?) from that big realm south and southeast of Baselland. Not sure if I look at this correctly but this could mean that the two princes are not from royal blood but are subtitudes for the kidnapped children. Also dat evil grin, a evil queen right out of Disney movies. XD

The last is between the two brothers who's differences finally break into a civil war between them. With help from the Erzreich soldiers the first prince tries to take out the young cadet army of the 2nd prince, but the cadets won their first battle, holding the star castle.

From the looks of it Baltzer had been ordered back and cannot help them till Weiden can be sure that Erzreich has interfered with Baselland politics and such.
Looks pretty grim for our young cadets.

Also we got a new little princess.^^

reashot

2015-02-08, 04:30

New chapter released by EGS :bow:

Turns out that sexy reporter was there since the beginning. She witnessed the coup in the past and since then she wants to know the truth of what happens so she became a reporter.

Balzer being the sneaky devil he is then decided to lure her into an abandoned train cart so he can "interrogate" her in private ;)
http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p695/reashot/Balzer_rape_zpsjdf8vct3.jpg
Balzer attempting to "force the truth" out of the poor woman.

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p695/reashot/commy_zpsjfla0wtv.jpg
Signs of things to come.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p695/reashot/greater_germany_zpsotkiwitc.jpg
It seems ol' Lieb here is a proponent of the Greater Germ... I mean Greater whatever Balzer people are called.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Question

And I'm gonna put my favorite picture of the chapter right here:
http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p695/reashot/dat_face_zps8w9oq6nq.jpg
Of course it is. :kisskiss:

Tenzen12

2015-02-08, 05:47

From some misterious reason, Helmut seemed rather disturbed by Balzer having interview alone with beutiful reporter... I wonder why:confused:

cupumanager

2015-02-08, 10:06

Now, It can be clearly seen that von Liebknecht are mere pawn in the plan for making a new Reich. Von Stauffenberg see the usefulness of The Putsch in the effect it caused to the masses, and make use von Liebknecht as an agent provocateur. I believe there is a Bismarckian-character somewhere in the Weissen Government which we're not introduced yet, pulling the strings of von Stauffenberg, von Liebknecht, and the Weissen Army, in the hope of unifying the German-speaking Nation under one Reich, with Weissen on top, rather than Erzreich.

I'm waiting when that character provoke whatever Baltzar's world equivalent of Napoleon III to declare war on Weissen, finally cementing the Alliance into one Reich.

Utsuro no Hako

2015-02-08, 13:42

http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p695/reashot/commy_zpsjfla0wtv.jpg
Signs of things to come.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution

It's worth noting that in the late 19th Century, Germany was far more economically liberal than Britain and France, in large part because Bismarck felt that the Left was powerful enough that he needed to throw them some meat to keep them satisfied.

James Rye

2015-02-08, 16:42

From some misterious reason, Helmut seemed rather disturbed by Balzer having interview alone with beutiful reporter... I wonder why:confused:

Probably because Helmut herself is a cute girl who's quite smitten with Balzer although she won't admit it (yet)? Any beautiful reporter who spends some time alone with the major is a risk then. XD

Now, It can be clearly seen that von Liebknecht are mere pawn in the plan for making a new Reich. Von Stauffenberg see the usefulness of The Putsch in the effect it caused to the masses, and make use von Liebknecht as an agent provocateur. I believe there is a Bismarckian-character somewhere in the Weissen Government which we're not introduced yet, pulling the strings of von Stauffenberg, von Liebknecht, and the Weissen Army, in the hope of unifying the German-speaking Nation under one Reich, with Weissen on top, rather than Erzreich.

I'm waiting when that character provoke whatever Baltzar's world equivalent of Napoleon III to declare war on Weissen, finally cementing the Alliance into one Reich.

Quite happy that Germany never became that Greater Germany with old Prussia region, Austria regions and the German states. With such a huge country, the EU could have never been made and so far we had no wars since WW2 on europe between former Eu countries thanks to their political and economical bounds.

In this story ofc something like the EU is just an insane thought. XD

reashot

2015-02-11, 05:32

MrTerrorist

2015-04-05, 09:05

Chapter 30 came out.
Mostly it's about politics and some Balzar and Helmut shipping!
Oh, and the King is coming.

Prongs

2015-04-05, 13:30

world war 1. Period!

J4n1

2015-04-05, 13:53

For a series i am almost certain will not have any serious romance, that's some heavy duty shipping going on here.

Also, political intrigue, yay. \o/

Breimoon

2015-04-05, 14:25

Just started it today and could not stop, it is probably one of the best war manga around. Can't wait for next ch.

Hata

2015-04-05, 18:43

we have a thread on Baltzer?!

anyway, humming along waiting for the climax on the next book (read up to book 7), individual chapters on Bunch are hard to come by. nice to see this not so popular title getting noticed

James Rye

2015-04-05, 19:11

That shipping "hint" nearly felt like a confession on the dance floor. And man, being a diplomat can really be a "killer" job. With the kind showing up himself, I wonder how the discussion will fare now that there's another target bedies Baselland to "victimise".

I like how Baltzer combines war with politics and otherwise. Ofc I hope for more action soonish but with Weißen's King being there, an assination attempt is bound to happen. XD

reashot

2015-04-16, 07:11

Huzzah Liebknecht gaiden finally out thank you EGS :love:

Oh & Lieb here just shag a girl in the first chapter Take that Balzer. :D

Oh & if you guys wanna know what the story will be about try googling "Homestead Strike"
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Pinkerton_escorts_hocking_valley_leslies.jpg/1024px-Pinkerton_escorts_hocking_valley_leslies.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_%28detective_agency%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_Strike

p-kun

2015-04-25, 15:49

I just want to show my appreciation to this awesome manga!!!

BTW, is it just me or it seems that Rudolf is working for the Weiss military staff? Like Itachi-type defection where he joined enemy but actually worked for the benefit of his own country?

MrTerrorist

2015-04-29, 10:55

^
It's unclear if Rudolf actions are for himself or part of Weissen PM manipulations to unite the various states under Weissen rule.

reashot

2015-05-02, 02:26

^
It's unclear if Rudolf actions are for himself or part of Weissen PM manipulations to unite the various states under Weissen rule.

It's up to interpretations ;) After all the Lieb gaiden starts with a question whether or not Lieb is a revolutionary or just a plain swindler.

Me thinking he's a lenin type character wishing to create a state without class distinction after he saw his father desperately trying to save his "noble status" at the cost of his life.

Also the new manga cover seems to show that Lieb will probably get the revolution he wants, but not sure which poor country are going to get it?
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61UdrbgZ-FL.jpg

MrTerrorist

2015-05-09, 08:58

So the King of Weiben arrives to the meeting to personally intervene against the Weiben delegations wishes who try to prevent him from coming. Meanwhile Balzer learns of an assassination plot but get trap in process.

MrTerrorist

2015-06-04, 02:19

2nd chapter of the spin-off is out.
Bombs. Traitors within. And Socialism.

MrTerrorist

2015-06-07, 17:34

Ch 32 is out.
So it is confirmed Rudolf is an undercover agent.

KrimzonStriker

2015-06-09, 18:59

The question if for who/what agenda specifically because if the Chief of Staff has gone rogue like this just to militarize Weiben then that's some pretty drastic action which has put his nation in a precarious position... anybody else getting the Otto von Bismark vibes from him now?

MrTerrorist

2015-10-24, 09:31

Thanks to Rudolf, Balzar meets the Empress of Erzreich.
The Empress plans to repair the relationship between both the Baselland princes and prevent war by having both brothers marry with a princess of the nation they favored. And princess that the Empress wants Theodor to marry is her granddaughter.

James Rye

2015-10-24, 12:18

thanks to rudolf, balzar meets the empress of erzreich.
The empress plans to repair the relationship between both the baselland princes and prevent war by having both brothers marry with a princess of the nation they favored. And princess that the empress wants theodor to marry is her granddaughter.

It's a trap!!! Don't trust the nicely smiling granny!!! They are the worst trappers!!!

MrTerrorist

2016-01-02, 02:32

So the two Weiben spies join the academy as transfer students to teach the students Weiben military tactics...which is their official job on paper but in reality are spying.
Also, they get into argument with Cavalry students over tactics Weiben uses for their Cavalry.
So Jurgen is jealous of the relationship between Helmut and Balzar.
And the Erzreich princess arrives at the academy.

MrTerrorist

2016-01-28, 07:34

Well, that was one twist i didn't see coming.
Turns out, Reiner and Franz, when they were 3 months and 3 years old respectively, were kidnaped during a anti-monarchy riot at Erzreich when their mother was visiting her aunt, the Empress.
While the Empress was able to deal with the revolution, the princes couldn't be found except some boys who matched their description.
With the Empress' nudging, she convinces the Queen any of the boys she chose are her sons.
Hence, Reiner is unsure if he really is the real Reiner that was kidnapped during the riots or a lookalike. However, Franz confirms he isn't the real Prince Franz as the real one died during the riots and he's nothing more than a puppet to the Empress.

James Rye

2016-01-28, 16:26

No need for spoiler, right? Ch. 35 translation is out already.

Now the next volume, that would make a good spoiler alert. Really rough volume for Reiner and his students.^^

I wouldn't wonder if the real Franz/Reiner are still alive and just kept away by some party. Perhaps even the nice aunty who wants to keep an ace in her hand in case of her pet prince becoming rebellious or entirely worthless.

I pity Franz but honestly the best for him would be for Reiner to take over the throne. However at the rate this is going sooner or later Weißen and Erzreich will be at war with each other and Baselland will be the battlefield. And that would be the worst scenario Reiner and Baltzer could imagine.

I really like Baltzer as MC. He got a good moral compass yet is practical and intelligent enough to let emotions be emotions and do what he got ordered to or to somehow try to twinge the orders in a way to fulfill several order/his own campagne as well. Like when he killed the prisoners after protesting that this is an illegal act of madness. Or telling the Weißen captain to not support the port garrison, leaving them to their certain death. Or ordering/giving Reiner the suggestion to order the Baselland royal guards to act as human shield so that they can escape.
Plus he is badass enough to withstand several foes in close combat, witty enough to form plans to trap his enemies in or lead his pampered calvary students into a bloody charge and cruel enough to massacre an entire elite calvary in cold blood in around a minute with his artillery.

Hah, I want an Gunka no Baltzer anime already... are the sales so bad that it gets none or why didn't I heard anything in that regards so far? I mean, it got enough stuff for a season or two to fill in. Or is the theme too unpopular to be considered anime stuff?

Hata

2016-01-28, 19:24

Now the next volume, that would make a good spoiler alert. Really rough volume for Reiner and his students.^^

Hah, I want an Gunka no Baltzer anime already... are the sales so bad that it gets none or why didn't I heard anything in that regards so far? I mean, it got enough stuff for a season or two to fill in. Or is the theme too unpopular to be considered anime stuff?
if like you said you follow the raw, then you should know that there will be a drama CD accompany volume #9 by this August, and usually the drama CD is company’s way of testing the water for a manga to go anime, so yes, there will be a chance for this series to be animated. this series subject is no worse than Gate, and Gate has a two seasons anime going on now.

MrTerrorist

2016-04-04, 10:17

Baselland is now in a civil war with Franz leading a coup d'etat with help from Erzreich troops and Reiner and the military cadets defending themselves.

James Rye

2016-08-18, 14:28

Anybody if GnB is still running? Can't find any new raw and the translations aren't coming up much either. :c

Hata

2016-08-20, 01:16

Anybody if GnB is still running? Can't find any new raw and the translations aren't coming up much either. :c
it is still going, in Japan the latest chapter is #53 this past July, and the end of book 9 should be a very entertaining cliffhanger,

MrTerrorist

2016-09-22, 09:27

So the King of Wessien has no interest in conquering Baseland unlike the Chief of Staff and wants the Civil War to end peacefully so he ask Baltzer to help him get the two princes to speak each other.
However, in doing so, Baltzer loses his chance to advanced within the Wessien Military.

Tenzen12

2016-09-22, 13:43

Isn't there saying "better reign in hell than serve in heaven"? He already has offer become right hand of Baseland crown princ, not sure if his efforts in Session could get him comparable position...

MrTerrorist

2016-10-13, 10:08

Poor Jurgen. To be friendzoned by Helmut.
Also, some forces are bidding their time and see which of the princes they think can win.

vic-vic

2016-10-30, 12:36

Bernd Baltzar are really underrated manga IMHO. The author put a lot of efforts to create his world and what even more awesome, he made a good research about this period of our history.

I agree with fellow reader who adore MC, as he badass but not invicible, have a strong maral compas but not goddie-two-shoes and can be bery pragmatic and manipulative. Even best, that many of characters and sides of conflict are not strictly gray and black but very complex and have their reasons and agendas.

It's really deserve its own anime adaptation

MrTerrorist

2016-12-25, 09:16

So thanks to some negotiations and deals, Baltzer is bringing in supplies and rescue the 2nd Prince and his students.

Tenzen12

2016-12-25, 09:50

He is getting too soft. Thank goodness. That said how the hell did Helmut do that? I wonder where you can get such ninja horse...

James Rye

2016-12-25, 11:09

I don't quite think so. Bernd waited a couple days till he had enough information and support to know he got a chance at his plan/his majesty's order and thankfully did not immediately jump onto the order like a hotblooded idiot or self-righteous "MUH FRIENDS" BS. If his research had let him to the belief that there is no chance for him to save the 2nd prince and his students he would have sided with the Feldmarshall meaning he would have invaded together with the Weißen army and make it a protectorate. Which probably would mean that most of the students died same with the 2nd prince.

Sure he did thought up a plan to help his students and the 2nd prince, but I think that if he saw no chance of success he would not have gone for them. He is a military man through and through, with some honor and some kindness in his heart, but still pragmatic and success-orientated.

Hata

2016-12-25, 16:11

42? Chinese chapter is at 49 and Japanese 54...

book 9 was just out earlier this month.

James Rye

2017-05-09, 08:41

New update. So they are smuggling in whatever they need to help the students at the university. Liked their trick to avoid the control stations, simple but effective. Surely smugglers do similar stuff, get the dangerous stuff outta the way for the inspection, then return it once the inspectors are gone.
It also shows how difficult it is to infiltrate a country, one of their advance groups already captured and their carriage found already by three scouts. Next chapter will show if Jürgen stands with his friends or with his father.

MrTerrorist

2017-05-09, 11:33

I think Jürgen might side with his teacher since he wants to save Helmut and the other students.

James Rye

2017-05-09, 13:54

Well, he pretty much has to. After all if he or even only one of the other to manages to get to high command then Baltzer and his Weißen spy team is busted and their plan to help the students foiled. So he will probably prevent that which will give the students at the academy a fighting chance once Baltzer comes to the rescue.

MrTerrorist

2017-09-30, 21:55

Well that was twist i didn't see. Reiner wants to strengthen Baseland but also end the Monarchy.

Hata

2017-10-01, 08:26

Well that was twist i didn't see. Reiner wants to strengthen Baseland but also end the Monarchy.

chapter 45? English is so far behind the Japanese, like c62 this month.

James Rye

2017-10-02, 04:01

Don't remind me how far behind we are.... :c

deathstroke

2019-01-15, 18:17

The problem is that Baseland still use ball while the rest of its neighbors reached Precussion cap rifle bullet stage already.There surely be a period of Rifle musket that author conviniently omit to show the big gap which shouldn't exist as everyone should change into Rifle musket as soon as new method to load rifle for musket invented.

It can be totolerated if the reader just want to read some manga with thin historical backfground but when you read series like Safehold, you can just stop and thinking how ridiculous it was

Safehold? Please don't make me laugh.

David Weber isa great writer (most of the time) but he is anything but scientifically accurate. While being n historial helps him, he is still mistaken a lot on what he writes.

Because sotry>plausibility