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Haak

2012-01-04, 21:36

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb362/haak1/419px-Apocrypha.jpg

Fate/Apocrypha is a series of Light Novels based on a new Holy Grail War (seperate to the five Fukuyu wars), written with the help of several other authors and artists and with various details and character designs collected in Fate/complete material IV Extra material. It was originally conceived as a joint-project MMORPG by Type-Moon (now cancelled).

The first act was published in the Type-Moon Ace magazine. Written by Yuichiro Higashide, Act 1: Unbirth for the magazine revolves around the magus Hyouma Sagara, attempting to summon Jack the Ripper as a Servant.

Seihai

2012-01-05, 01:48

Jack t. Ripper? Sounds very badass, and the title sounds epic as well. Is it a spin-off or in the same universe?

Xion Valkyrie

2012-01-05, 01:54

This version is not really 'badass' though:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110822180419/typemoon/images/thumb/e/e4/Jack_i.png/486px-Jack_i.png

Ithekro

2012-01-05, 02:03

Okay. How does Jack the Ripper, notorious serial killer that killed many protitutes in London in the late 1800s....turn into that? What reasoning do they come up with for all the murders?

Ash Falls Town

2012-01-05, 02:16

Okay. How does Jack the Ripper, notorious serial killer that killed many protitutes in London in the late 1800s....turn into that? What reasoning do they come up with for all the murders?

She's the abandoned daughter of a prostitute who eventually went crazy. In this crazy state she'd go up to prostitutes believing them to be her mother. They rejected her and when she next came upon them she killed them and attempted to return to their womb.

Kimiko Khan

2012-01-05, 02:22

finds it interesting that ubw is the background for that cover. I wonder if it has any implications or merely there due it it being well known and popular. kinda looks like the white light has bored a hole through the marble

giorno

2012-01-05, 04:20

this is not a series either, that short story about Jack is all we will ever get for now...

Akarin

2012-01-05, 04:48

Ithekro

2012-01-05, 05:05

Actually, that Saber is suppose to be a woman...historically speaking
*and it isn't Arthur....this time.

Xion Valkyrie

2012-01-05, 06:23

That Saber is what Saber should have been in the first place...

Kusa-San

2012-01-05, 06:26

whitecloud

2012-01-05, 06:47

Acording to fate/apocrypha this supposed to be the sixth war then right? Fourth fate/zero, fifth fate/stay night but something doesnt add up... according to what i read isnt rin's teacher waver velvet el melloy the second destroy the holy grail at the end of the fifth war? after fate/hollow ataraxia i guess...or maybe the three family that created the holy grail created it again? or did the destruction fail/incomplete? which cause the reason each participant must bring it's own vessel of the holy grail instead of it being managed by einzbern family.. and it seems according to the wiki the church didnt fully supervised the war instead it create a new class.. a ruler class (saber class...the one that gilles so infatuated with.. joan of arc)which role is to supervise the war directly...church just an add on this time i guess... i assume this to prevent problem that cause disaster in the last two war (kirei's cheating, gilles de rais indiscriminated murder...you know...) and manage if one arise, it is said in the wiki holy grail usually didnt manage the game directly, i guess the last two war change a lot of things. and from the list of cast why they manage to summon jack the ripper, vlad? isnt they not exactly a heroic spirit (it is said it jack the ripper is a reverse heroic spirit...what does it mean?)? is the holy grail spirit still defiled by angra maiyu? isnt it already taken care of in Fate/ hollow ataraxia? or is it?? and why is it fourteen instead of seven, is it a new rules incorporated by the holy grail maker or just by the whim of the holy grail itself? many question...

shishio

2012-01-05, 07:08

Lisemer

2012-01-05, 09:35

He's supposed to be one of the most beautiful persons in the world, and what's more beautiful than a trap? :heh:

Xellos-_^

2012-01-05, 13:42

I went to the wiki and it uses "he" to describe astolfo. So, is he a trap in disguise or just reverse trap like Yukimura?

That is just how he looks

He should be glad he is in a different war then Alex or Nero, since both are switch hitters :heh:

fertygo

2012-01-05, 20:07

this is not a series either, that short story about Jack is all we will ever get for now...

At least the author is committed for this one.

giorno

2012-01-06, 13:41

lol

yeah, i guess :p

Key Board

2012-01-07, 03:28

if only TypeMoon Ace was a monthly release instead of twice a year

giorno

2012-01-07, 05:14

japanese fans should just bother them about tsukihime or fate 2 so we might get something on those in the next TMA :D

chaos_alfa

2012-01-07, 10:36

japanese fans should just bother them about tsukihime or fate 2 so we might get something on those in the next TMA :D

Fate 2? I thought they only had a Tsukihime 2 in the works (and Mahou Tsukai no Yoru)?

giorno

2012-01-07, 12:05

they don't have tsukihime 2 in the works either. They will release mahoyo in april IIRC, and there's tsukihime remake still in the making

but i want tsukihime or fate 2 >.<

Shiryuu

2012-01-08, 11:07

They should just make a story about the 3rd war. I'm more interested about how the grail got tainted rather than something else completely.

fertygo

2012-01-08, 11:45

They should just make a story about the 3rd war. I'm more interested about how the grail got tainted rather than something else completely.

That's something Nasu would rather to write it himself than let other guy proposing to handle it like this one.

giorno

2012-01-08, 11:58

me, honestly, i think if we're gonna get something, it will likely be an apocrypha sequel or something else about fate...

Lycodrake

2012-01-11, 08:58

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Fate/Apocrypha_characters

Loli Jack the ripper, trap Astolfo, female Arthur....This seems interesting. :heh:

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/433/23330012m.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/23330012m.jpg/) http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/1456/astolfoi.th.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/834/astolfoi.png/)

Goddamn Astolfo, (s)he's cute. :uhoh:
...Astolfo is a trap, plain and simple, but he's also one of the 2 Riders designed for Apocrypha. Why the confusion? There's already entries for all of these on the Type Moon wiki. Why is everyone so surprised? These designs have been out for a while. ^^;

And why does everyone seem to dislike Jackie? Seriously?

That Saber is what Saber should have been in the first place...
...It's Jeanne/Joan D'Arc, and her Class is Ruler, not Saber.

Yuutsu

2012-01-12, 01:56

Karna and Saint George are hilariously broken...

I wonder how the authors are gonna make these two characters' stories interesting and tense?

giorno

2012-01-12, 06:20

....TM's not going to write a story about them at all....again, this short story we got about jack is everything we will ever get about apocrypha, at least until nasu and takeuchi change their minds...

Lycodrake

2012-01-12, 07:36

Karna and Saint George are hilariously broken...

I wonder how the authors are gonna make these two characters' stories interesting and tense?
Well, that depends if those are the Servants they are going to use...considering that Karna and St. George qualify for at least two Classes...

....TM's not going to write a story about them at all....again, this short story we got about jack is everything we will ever get about apocrypha, at least until nasu and takeuchi change their minds...
Where did you hear that? I thought that this was just the first one and that a series would be written using seven of the Servants from Apocrypha...

giorno

2012-01-12, 16:51

type moon ace...

GDB

2012-01-12, 18:47

Lycodrake

2012-01-12, 21:19

Really? Because reports from ANN say otherwise:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-12-03/new-fate/apocrypha-project-to-be-a-novel

Novel. One chapter is not a novel.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-11-04/new-fate/apocrypha-project-to-be-launched-by-type-moon

"Start" project. You don't start a project if that's the entirety of the project, you merely do it.
...alright then, thanks for the info...
Though, to be honest, I think I'd rather have heard it later rather than sooner...

giorno

2012-01-13, 05:11

Really? Because reports from ANN say otherwise:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-12-03/new-fate/apocrypha-project-to-be-a-novel

Novel. One chapter is not a novel.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-11-04/new-fate/apocrypha-project-to-be-launched-by-type-moon

"Start" project. You don't start a project if that's the entirety of the project, you merely do it.

no, that's old info. It came up on beast's lair some time ago, then the japanese speakers actually translated the original japanese info and clarified that it wasn't going to be a project, just a short novel that would come out in the following type moon ace...

Key Board

2012-01-13, 05:19

IIRC they are going to do a chapter per Servant

The problem is that TypeMoon Ace is twice a year.

If they only do one chapter per issue, it will take 7 years just to get the intro done.

edit: oh, and I'd like to add that Nasu and Takeuchi had very little involvement with Apocrypha to began with. The first chapter was written and illustrated by Yuichiro Higashide. Nasu is only responsible for Karna and Jeanne (whose appearance is apparently canon)

GDB

2012-01-13, 09:23

no, that's old info. It came up on beast's lair some time ago, then the japanese speakers actually translated the original japanese info and clarified that it wasn't going to be a project, just a short novel that would come out in the following type moon ace...

Well, that's generally something you say when you first start claiming information like "this is all we get". You can't really fault others for not taking your word as gospel when you don't cite any sources, while other sources do cite information while stating the opposite of you.

giorno

2012-01-13, 11:06

Well, that's generally something you say when you first start claiming information like "this is all we get". You can't really fault others for not taking your word as gospel when you don't cite any sources, while other sources do cite information while stating the opposite of you.

i can't access beast's lair right now for whatever rason, it's in the fate/apocrypha thread, go read it(skip straight to the last pages)

@key board: was it 1 chapter per servant? you sure?

but yeah, bottom line is, don't get your hopes up for this...

Xellos-_^

2012-01-13, 12:37

i can't access beast's lair right now for whatever rason, it's in the fate/apocrypha thread, go read it(skip straight to the last pages)

@key board: was it 1 chapter per servant? you sure?

but yeah, bottom line is, don't get your hopes up for this...
i am pretty even if one novel was all TM plan. If the one novel sold really well they will produce more. It is all about the $$$.

Lycodrake

2012-01-13, 12:40

Well, that's generally something you say when you first start claiming information like "this is all we get". You can't really fault others for not taking your word as gospel when you don't cite any sources, while other sources do cite information while stating the opposite of you.
Pretty much why I asked for a source...

i can't access beast's lair right now for whatever rason, it's in the fate/apocrypha thread, go read it(skip straight to the last pages)

but yeah, bottom line is, don't get your hopes up for this...
Beast's Lair's server is down so that they (the moderators or whatever) can fix an error that kept popping up...

I was trying to keep my hopes reasonable, but I also didn't want them entirely crushed in one "fell swoop". XP

giorno

2012-01-13, 16:56

i am pretty even if one novel was all TM plan. If the one novel sold really well they will produce more. It is all about the $$$.

well, seeing as how apocrypha is basically TM authorized fanfiction, if the other authors who created the servants decide they want to make a full blown project, they might get nasu's approval and we might just get an actual apocrypha project...

IIRC the only reason we even got this is because Yuichiro Higashide, the guy who created jack the ripper, told Nasu he wanted to write something about it, and Nasu just went "lol ok, we'll publish it in TMA"...

so yeah, it's not even really just a matter of demand, so much as all those writers deciding to make something out of their creations...

MrTerrorist

2012-05-12, 05:46

Whoa. Type-Moon was right.

'Jackie' the Ripper: Was the Infamous Serial Killer a Woman? (http://news.yahoo.com/jackie-ripper-infamous-serial-killer-woman-211027739.html)

Nayim

2012-05-12, 07:02

Whoa. Type-Moon was right.

'Jackie' the Ripper: Was the Infamous Serial Killer a Woman? (http://news.yahoo.com/jackie-ripper-infamous-serial-killer-woman-211027739.html)

And now i speechless:heh: but i won't believe until the huge evidence prove Jack is a really woman but yet, i might thinking if the fan just except Jack's gender:heh:. Just sayin.

chaos_alfa

2012-05-12, 07:16

I don't like Jackie's design. Her clothing is unpractical and she's too sexualized. A normal person from that age and time period wouldn't choose to wear something like that.

Takashi Takeuchi characters designs are much better and look practical for the most part.

GDB

2012-05-12, 08:30

Whoa. Type-Moon was right.

'Jackie' the Ripper: Was the Infamous Serial Killer a Woman? (http://news.yahoo.com/jackie-ripper-infamous-serial-killer-woman-211027739.html)

It's not like Jack the Ripper being a woman or pretending to be a woman is exclusive to Type-Moon. Hell, the 6th Detective Conan movie (which would've been around 2002) had Jack the Ripper dress as a female and pretty much live his life as if he were female.

Humbaba

2012-05-12, 11:20

When will the next TYPE-MOON Ace be released btw? I am still hoping for an announcement that Apocryphia will be serialized in a different way than only in the magazine, otherwise we won't see the end until the year 2033 or so.

ukulelembo

2012-07-07, 11:41

Publication of the Fate/Apocrypha Novel confirmed for the winter 2012! (https://twitter.com/humanity6/status/221582524529381376)

ukulelembo

2012-07-09, 12:44

Haak

2012-07-09, 14:04

and also will be centered around Jeanne.

Hell yes!!!

chaos_alfa

2012-07-09, 14:46

According to Season of Change (http://blog.livedoor.jp/humanity6/) Fate/Apocrypha novel will be again written by Higashide Yuuichiro. Story features 14 servants – 7 red servants vs. 7 black servants and also will be centered around Jeanne.

I wasn't really impressed with the first chapter. I had hoped someone else would write the rest.

- Jackie's Master for some strange reason didn't bat an eye about all the strange things happening before her and she doesn't mind Jackie killing people -_-.
- Jackie's character design doesn't fit with Fate/Stay Night overall character design style, it's impractical , it's too sexualized, and I can't suspense my disbelieve enough to accept that Jackie would wear something like that when she was still alive.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110822180419/typemoon/images/thumb/e/e4/Jack_i.png/416px-Jack_i.png

Nayim

2012-07-09, 15:16

According to Season of Change (http://blog.livedoor.jp/humanity6/) Fate/Apocrypha novel will be again written by Higashide Yuuichiro. Story features 14 servants – 7 red servants vs. 7 black servants and also will be centered around Jeanne.

Here crossing my finger, hopefully Jeanne have their own master (Perhaps like Shirou-look alike). Yeah, i know Fate/Material state Ruler doesn't have master but at least she must have, yet.

mAc Chaos

2012-07-09, 15:44

I think you need to speak to use magic.

GDB

2012-07-09, 16:14

Unless you're one of the most amazing, elite magi ever, yeah I think you need to speak to use magic. Even the 5th War's Caster, who was from the Age of Gods, could only insta-cast 2 sentence spells without speaking them. Though she may still need to speak, but can just do so instantly instead of needing to actually recite them.

chaos_alfa

2012-07-09, 16:23

I think you need to speak to use magic.

I just checked Beast Liar and it seems you do need to be able to talk to use your command seals.

ukulelembo

2012-07-10, 10:13

...I can't suspense my disbelieve enough to accept that Jackie would wear something like that when she was still alive.

http://i.imgur.com/dM6JWl.jpg
Here crossing my finger, hopefully Jeanne have their own master (Perhaps like Shirou-look alike). Yeah, i know Fate/Material state Ruler doesn't have master but at least she must have, yet.
I rather hope that some familiar character will appear as a master or at least as cameo.

chaos_alfa

2012-07-10, 12:48

http://i.imgur.com/dM6JWl.jpg

That's true, but why doesn't she look like that in this Grail War? I got the impression that the clothes the servants wear are the same they wore when they where still alive.

But even if we ignore that part her clothes are still much to impractical for combat and too sexualized compared to the character designs in Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero.

Touko

2012-07-10, 15:24

That's true, but why doesn't she look like that in this Grail War? I got the impression that the clothes the servants wear are the same they wore when they where still alive.

But even if we ignore that part her clothes are still much to impractical for combat and too sexualized compared to the character designs in Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero.

Her Master is literally a whore, what do you expect?

chaos_alfa

2012-07-10, 15:48

Her Master is literally a whore, what do you expect?

Even a whore still got standards.
Her casual clothes even look better than Jackie's.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111218234436/typemoon/images/thumb/2/20/Reika.png/228px-Reika.png

SRanger

2012-07-10, 18:43

I'm confused regarding the announcement.

So is this getting an anime adaptation? Or just more LN releases?

Tammuz

2012-07-10, 19:42

This version is not really 'badass' though:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110822180419/typemoon/images/thumb/e/e4/Jack_i.png/486px-Jack_i.png

How the hell is that NOT badass?
"There's no way my Serial Killer can be this adorab-BUH!"
Just disalarming enough to give her enough time to decapitate her victim :D

ukulelembo

2012-07-11, 07:30

...part her clothes are still much to impractical for combat...
I don't think. She is not wearing anything what could somehow strictly hindered her in the fight. In addition, she is the assassin, not a fighter. Her fighting style can be rather on the principle speed-kill than close combat.

This would suggest that option:
http://i.imgur.com/texpnl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/texpn.jpg)

...too sexualized compared to the character designs in Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero.
Better than the transparent skirt in Fate/Extra. :p

I'm confused regarding the announcement.

So is this getting an anime adaptation? Or just more LN releases?
Light Novel for winter 2012.

chaos_alfa

2012-07-11, 07:48

I don't think. She is not wearing anything what could somehow strictly hindered her in the fight. In addition, she is the assassin, not a fighter. Her fighting style can be rather on the principle speed-kill than close combat.

This would suggest that option:
http://i.imgur.com/texpnl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/texpn.jpg)

The thing I don't like about her costume is that she isn't covering the area around her crotch. Only wearing panties is impractical, it's cold, it gives her no tactical advantage and it leaves it open for attack.

I wouldn't mind it if it fit her character, but from what I have seen of her it doesn't.

Better than the transparent skirt in Fate/Extra. :p

I said Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero not Fate/Extra (because I haven't played it yet) -_-

ukulelembo

2012-07-11, 09:54

Another thing is that it doesn't fit her age. I normally wouldn't mind this it if fit her character, but from what I have seen of her it doesn't.

You know how old is she? :eek:

kuroishinigami

2012-07-12, 20:54

The thing I don't like about her costume is that she isn't covering the area around her crotch. Only wearing panties is impractical, it's cold, it gives her no tactical advantage and it leaves it open for attack.

Well, I wouldn't call wearing long skirt(saber) and bondage outfit(rider) to battle can be called practical either:heh:. If we're talking practicality, than saber should have equipped full body armor like how a good medieval knight would;).

chaos_alfa

2012-07-13, 06:03

Well, I wouldn't call wearing long skirt(saber) and bondage outfit(rider) to battle can be called practical either:heh:. If we're talking practicality, than saber should have equipped full body armor like how a good medieval knight would;).

practical is maybe not the right word but the point is that Jackie's character design doesn't mesh with Takashi Takeuchi characters designs in Fate/Stay Night and Fate Zero.

ukulelembo

2012-07-13, 07:28

practical is maybe not the right word but the point is that Jackie's character design doesn't mesh with Takashi Takeuchi characters designs in Fate/Stay Night and Fate Zero.
Don't be surprised after Takeuchi draws her himself.;)

By the way, what about other Apocrypha's servants? For which of them you looking forward?
I'm very curious about the Shakespeare. :D

chaos_alfa

2012-07-13, 07:35

Don't be surprised after Takeuchi draws her himself.;)

It has nothing to do with who draws her, but who did her initial design. When Takeuchi is going to draw her he will be stuck with Sanada Taketo design.

But lets drop this subject it's getting boring.

By the way, what about other Apocrypha's servants? For which of them you looking forward?
I'm very curious about the Shakespeare. :D

I'm looking forward to most of them.
They all look interesting (Except Jack the Ripper -_-)

But if i had to choose the 3 I would choose:
Karna, Joan of Arc and Vlad III

ukulelembo

2012-07-13, 07:53

It has nothing to do with who draws her, but who did her initial design. When Takeuchi is going to draw her he will be stuck with Higashide design.

Not Higashide. Character design for Jack created Sanada Taketo (http://sanadaya.fc2web.com/).

chaos_alfa

2012-07-13, 08:05

Not Higashide. Character design for Jack created Sanada Taketo (http://sanadaya.fc2web.com/).

I seems the Type-Moon wiki has it wrong than. Thanks for the correction.

Nayim

2012-07-13, 08:25

Don't be surprised after Takeuchi draws her himself.;)

By the way, what about other Apocrypha's servants? For which of them you looking forward?
I'm very curious about the Shakespeare. :D

Joan, Karna, Sieg, Astolfo, and Shakespeare.

GDB

2012-07-13, 08:57

Sigurd is the only one I'm even remotely interested in. I would say Jeanne, but I immediately lost interest when she was some newly created class.

Haak

2012-07-13, 10:08

I'm interested in Jeanne and Karna. Especially Karna. He looks so badass.

maximilianjenus

2012-07-13, 11:13

sieg, joanna and george.

siege because he has been hinted at aprticipating in previous wars or being the ideal saber class.
joanna because saber.
george because he is a catholic saint.

bhl88

2012-07-16, 02:09

EX Magic Resistance, it tickles

ukulelembo

2012-07-20, 11:14

Who do you think will be main illustrator of Fate/Apocrypha novel?
Takeuchi? Or Sanada Taketo who has already did the first chapter? Or someone else?

maximilianjenus

2012-07-20, 11:36

kakyfly has been rumoured, since he ended his ongoing manga recently just for that.

Nayim

2012-07-22, 00:48

New logo:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7jrpgc1IO1rye1gyo1_1280.png

ukulelembo

2012-07-22, 10:14

New logo:
Old news!;)
http://i.imgur.com/hCzOMl.jpg (http://imgur.com/hCzOM)

blitz1/2

2012-07-22, 10:51

New logo:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7jrpgc1IO1rye1gyo1_1280.png

Lol, looks like they reused the "A" from the House of the dead 4 logo. xD

Hell_ping

2012-07-22, 10:55

I pity Canonrap now:heh:

Well, I don't know how much darker it can get as compared to Fate/Zero, but given that the protagonist's servant is a gender-flipped Jack the Ripper...

Nayim

2012-07-22, 10:56

Old news!;)
http://i.imgur.com/hCzOMl.jpg (http://imgur.com/hCzOM)

LOL who said old news? I just post here because that was "rare" clear title card, which is anyone can't find that picture. (Source from Type Moon Wiki, now replace old title with this one).

ukulelembo

2012-07-22, 13:06

Well, I don't know how much darker it can get as compared to Fate/Zero, but given that the protagonist's servant is a gender-flipped Jack the Ripper...
Reika and Jack will be probably just secondary characters. ;)
When it comes to how it will be darker in comparison to Fate/Zero. You try to compare previous Higashide's works with those from Urobuchi. :D

Ithekro

2012-07-22, 13:18

Hard to genderbend someone if you can't prove who it is ;p

Bern-san

2012-07-22, 14:45

I know there's nothing new to this, maybe that a new character will appear? But still I'll post it
“In the name of Joan of Arc, I command you, fourteen servants.”
- Jeanne d’Arc, The Ruler.

The story is focused on a Holy Grail War separate from that of the five Fuyuki Wars, with 14 servants instead classic 7. There will be two factions where there will be 7 red servants vs. 7 black servants. The story will be centered around Joan of Arc. The Holy Grail war is checkers-alike leitmotif.

Joan of Arc/Jeanne d’Arc a.k.a Ruler, plays an important role in Fate Apocrypha and is also main protagonist in this series, featuring a new character who will be alongside with her.

Source: http://blog.livedoor.jp/humanity6/

Full novel will be released sometime in the winter 2012.

ukulelembo

2012-07-22, 15:17

I know there's nothing new to this, maybe that a new character will appear? But still I'll post it
Well it's not anything unexpected. We have 15 known servants. And now there is a need to introduce their masters. Currently we know only one. Remains at least 13 others. I wonder what they are? ;)

AntonKutovoi

2012-07-22, 15:51

I think that main male characters probably will be Siegfried and his master.

Haak

2012-07-23, 06:40

Well, I don't know how much darker it can get as compared to Fate/Zero, but given that the protagonist's servant is a gender-flipped Jack the Ripper...

About that... (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/09/jack-the-ripper-was-murderer-really-a-woman-asks-author-john-morris_n_1502173.html)

blitz1/2

2012-07-23, 07:13

I was SO SURE that somebody did a fanfiction on this. xD.

ukulelembo

2012-07-23, 09:04

Ototsugu Konoe which created design for Astolfo confirmed on his Twitter that he will do the illustrations for the novel. (https://twitter.com/hagitcho/status/221975395145228289)

Hell_ping

2012-07-23, 09:18

Reika and Jack will be probably just secondary characters. ;)
When it comes to how it will be darker in comparison to Fate/Zero. You try to compare previous Higashide's works with those from Urobuchi. :D

Well, I'll gladly admit that I'm wrong then. Looking forward to this series as compared to the harem LN series. (Partly a reason why I like to work on KSGU now) With the backstory of Zouken and Angra Mainyu around, this is to be expected, huh?

Anyone know which publisher will be in charge of this series? It will determine whether it will be a LN or an actual novel.

About that... (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/09/jack-the-ripper-was-murderer-really-a-woman-asks-author-john-morris_n_1502173.html)

I saw that, and yeah, isn't it funny how we assume a person's gender just by the nickname?:heh:

Ototsugu Konoe which created design for Astolfo confirmed on his Twitter that he will do the illustrations for the novel. (https://twitter.com/hagitcho/status/221975395145228289)

More feminine stuff than Fate/Zero, going to get more gruesome...

ukulelembo

2012-07-23, 11:05

Anyone know which publisher will be in charge of this series? It will determine whether it will be a LN or an actual novel.
It will be published apparently under Type-Moon's label "TYPE-MOON BOOKS".

ukulelembo

2012-07-24, 07:49

Just out of curiosity - Fate/Zero Side Story written by Higashide:
http://i.imgur.com/NNbRR.jpg
Translation (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Fate/Zero:Heart_Of_Freaks)

whitecloud

2012-07-27, 22:49

if ufotable give this a go for anime adaptation....it will be so interesting since the concept will be a bit different than normal with 7 versus 7 and a ruler class...

P.S: you know i want ufotable make an anime of typemoon work the one with gungod and slash emperor (i forgot the name)

Haak

2012-07-28, 04:57

^ You mean Angel Notes?

Flinch

2012-07-28, 15:30

The only part that worries me is how bad they're gonna botch the legends... again. Sigurd, I don't think people realize, is capable of overpowering demigods... which is no mean feat for a mortal. (For those of you who do now know what I'm talking about, Siegfried overpowered the Valkyrie Brunhilde).

Kimiko Khan

2012-07-28, 18:49

also wields gram a precursor to excalibur. though i think his father would be more interesting especially as a berserker. werewolf ftw!

GDB

2012-07-28, 22:44

also wields gram a precursor to excalibur.

Caliburn, not Excalibur.

Kimiko Khan

2012-07-28, 23:54

depends on which version of the mythology. but yes in stay night lore its caliburn

Flinch

2012-07-29, 00:43

Gram or Balmung, depending on the legend. Additionally, the sword is made of a celestial metal (thanks to Odin). Yet... I wonder if he'll keep his Shroud of Shadows (allows him to disguise himself as anyone). It would be truly great irony if he was betrayed by his master, as that is what happens in his legend. Brunhilde, who loves Seigfried, is the wife of King Guenther of Burgundy. Because he had been bewitched by a potion of love by the King's sister, Kreimhild, he no longer loves her and at one point, greatly offends her. Brunhilde demands his death, only to learn how Kreimhild had caused the debacle to begin with. After Siegfried is killed, Brunhilde kills everyone responsible before killing herself on his funeral ship. Yeah, that legend does NOT have a happy ending.

Note: Brunhilde is married to Guenther because Siegfried disguises himself as him to defeat her in combat, which is no easy task. You overpower a Valkyrie.

Kimiko Khan

2012-07-29, 01:59

I dont remember him fighting her. but I've only read tolkiens translation of the volsung saga. It only had him walking through a circle of fire which seemed to be enough to impress her. He does have some similarities to Lancelot with the whole forbidden love thing. I wonder if they'll bring in his horse. It's suppose to be an offspring of Odin's horse.

Flinch

2012-07-29, 10:11

Brunhilde didn't agree with Odin on a certain matter, and cast her down to the mortal realm as punishment. Additionally, she was to sleep surrounded by a ring of fire of which no mortal man could enter. Siegfried managed to go through and wake her up. In order to find Siegfried, Brunhilde put out a competition for her hand in marriage, which was to impress her, then best her in combat. If they failed, she got to kill them. According to the lore, one of the tasks was to do better than her at a boulder toss, which she threw ~72 feet and then jumped on top of it in a single leap. He then beat her in combat, all the while posed as Guenther.

You can imagine how pissed Brunhilde was when she learned that she had been tricked like this.

Kimiko Khan

2012-07-29, 12:00

just wondering which translation did you read? i remember a good majority of that minus a few details.

Flinch

2012-07-30, 02:28

A few translations, and I pick out what seems to be in common, and what makes the most sense according to the mythos.

sagdashin

2012-07-31, 19:12

Yep that is the story of Siegfried. There's also a lot more though, he kills a dragon named Fafnir and baths in it's blood, rendering him invulnerable. However during his bath there was a leaf on his back, making a blind-spot where he could be stabbed or shot to death. This is also where he got the nickname Siegfried Dragonkiller, and makes him a natural enemy to dragon-blood creatures, like Arturia for example. What happens to Sigurd after this is what Flinch said.

I think I am in knowledge with the majority of the story with the exceptions of some minor details, as I am Norwegian it's natural to learn about him in school, as Nibelungenlied derives from Völsunga saga and the tale of Sigurd (Siegfried's Nothern-Eruopean name: Sigurd Fåvnesbane [Sigurd fafnsbane or something]), where he is a Norse hero, (Norse = Scandinavia.)

His sword Gram that is forged in the Volund smithy is from Norway (I think) in lore, also where his father pulled it out of the tree Branstokk (similarities to Caliburn) , it was destroyed, and then reforged in Siegfrieds time, where it got the name Balmung. It's also a possibility that Siegfried is Beowulf if we compare Nibelungenlied to the poetic Edda.

Kimiko Khan

2012-07-31, 19:22

He also ate the heart of the dragon giving him wisdom. I remember there being a direct reference to sigurd in beowulf

Kimiko Khan

2012-07-31, 19:26

scratch that. sigmund sigurds father was referenced in beowulf. my bad

Nayim

2012-08-13, 02:48

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8onyo4qgO1rye1gyo1_500.jpg

Fate Apocrypha’s leak magazine scan from Type Moon Magazine.

Release date confirmed: Around mid-date December 2012.

Information about Ruler:

As one can see, she looks quite confident and fearless – not to mention, quite well-endowed as well. Her vestments seem more elaborate that those of Saber in terms of physical protection.

And a final feature to mention, her roleplay is familiar among “Anti-Hero” archetype.

Jeanne d’Arc’s servant class type is now actually three, based from her fighting style: Saber, Lancer and one biggest part of important of her, Ruler.

“In the name of Joan of Arc, I command you, fourteen servants. - Ruler.

Written by Yuichiro Higashide.

illustrations by Ototsugu Konoe.

Translated by Takeba01. Source deleted, This source come from from 2ch forum according to Takeba01.

Also, nice ribbon hair you got there, Jeanne.

blitz1/2

2012-08-13, 10:40

ukulelembo

2012-08-13, 12:38

Now, maybe if we get Kana Hanazawa to voice jeanne, she would be a grown up, medieval armour Charlotte Dunoa. xD
Kana Hanazawa has already voiced Ayaka from Fate/Prototype.

Nayim

2012-08-13, 12:47

Kana Hanazawa has already voiced Ayaka from Fate/Prototype.

He/She just wish to make it happen. Not to mention, we do have one seiyuu already play many role in Type Moon series: Joji Nakata (Nero Chaos, Kirei, and Souren):rolleyes:

ukulelembo

2012-08-13, 13:47

Not to mention, we do have one seiyuu already play many role in Type Moon series: Joji Nakata (Nero Chaos, Kirei, and Souren):rolleyes:
Joji Nakata is only one for good reason. :D
http://i.imgur.com/R9rqR.jpg

hinode

2012-08-13, 15:45

Considering Chiwa Saito's up to her third role in Fate spinoffs alone (Extra Caster, Kuro, Misaya), I don't see why Kana Hanazawa can't get a second character.

AyaSai

2012-08-14, 18:22

Don't forget Hiroki Touchi (Twice H. Pieceman of Fate/EXTRA and Daisuki Akimi of Kara no Kyoukai), Mamiko Noto (Bedeviere of Fate/stay night and Fujino Asagami of Kara no Kyoukai), and Ryotaro Okiayu (Berserker of Fate/zero and Satsuki Kurogiri of Kara no Kyoukai)

blitz1/2

2012-08-14, 18:43

Joji Nakata is only one for good reason. :D
http://i.imgur.com/R9rqR.jpg

I wonder if they ever Ufotable ever filmed the voice actors voicing their lines because it's going to be fun watching Joji Nakata doing his Kirei lines. xD

And I am also hoping that whoever voices Jeanne may learn some "broken" french for lulz. xD

GrahamAker

2012-08-15, 05:24

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8onyo4qgO1rye1gyo1_500.jpg

Fate Apocrypha’s leak magazine scan from Type Moon Magazine.

Release date confirmed: Around mid-date December 2012.

Information about Ruler:

As one can see, she looks quite confident and fearless – not to mention, quite well-endowed as well. Her vestments seem more elaborate that those of Saber in terms of physical protection.

And a final feature to mention, her roleplay is familiar among “Anti-Hero”

archetype.

Jeanne d’Arc’s servant class type is now actually three, based from her fighting style: Saber, Lancer and one biggest part of important of her, Ruler.

“In the name of Joan of Arc, I command you, fourteen servants. - Ruler.

Written by Yuichiro Higashide.

illustrations by Ototsugu Konoe.

Translated by Takeba01. Source deleted, This source come from from 2ch forum according to Takeba01.

Also, nice ribbon hair you got there, Jeanne.

What is the article about ? Does it confirm that Fate Apocrypha getting an anime adaptation?

sona-nyl

2012-08-15, 05:27

No its about the upcoming novel.

Requiem-x

2012-08-21, 00:10

So, Jeanne is three classes in one, including both a whole new class of her own and the buttjoke class (being Jeanne certainly is suffering, after all), and she'll be somewhat of an anti-hero? This deserves a Caster reaction image, but I'm not sure which one.

This sounds like such a mess, yet it just makes me want to know more. Honestly, this whole project has me excited, mainly because it seems like some crazy experiment to check if the fate franchise can hold its ground with only the concept of the grail war and without any of the characters we've come to know and love.

Ithekro

2012-08-21, 00:27

"buttjoke class"?

Jeanne is Lancer?

Nayim

2012-08-21, 02:16

The irony is.........Jeanne as Lancer is make sense if she use La Pucelle to commit suicide (According to Fate Material info) and she use flag as weapon (In very lancer-ish).

As for "Anti-Hero", i think she was actually final boss? Come of think it, she is "Ruler" after all. Unless there is another reason she is really anti hero like Berserker Stay Night (Hercules) who suppose to be Hero but instead as villain.

Speaking about hero, was there info about Jeanne will have partner since last few weeks? I won't surprise if she really does (Pretty much standard for Type Moon, opposite sex of two protagonist like Saber & Shirou, Tohno Shiki & Arc, Ryougi Shiki & Mikiya, Saber Proto & Ayaka).

It just my wild guess though.

ukulelembo

2012-08-21, 13:25

So, Jeanne is three classes in one...
This is just mistranslated. Correctly is that she can be summoned in these three classes. Saber, Lancer or Ruler.

Xellos-_^

2012-08-21, 13:30

This is just mistranslated. Correctly is that she can be summoned in these three classes. Saber, Lancer or Ruler.
her luck is too high for her to be summon as lancer.

blitz1/2

2012-08-21, 13:35

her luck is too high for her to be summon as lancer.

That is unless Fate/Zero caster shows up. xD

ukulelembo

2012-08-22, 08:44

her luck is too high for her to be summon as lancer.
All Lancers in the Apocrypha have higher luck attribute than usual. :p

Requiem-x

2012-08-22, 12:15

This is just mistranslated. Correctly is that she can be summoned in these three classes. Saber, Lancer or Ruler.

Ok, that makes more sense, but why give that info? We already know Jeanne will be Ruler. Isn't this supposed to be a light novel now? That sounds like something you would say for a game.

@Ukelembo
So maybe, just maybe, being Lancer won't be suffering this time around? Color me even more excited now.

Haak

2012-08-22, 13:23

I certainly hope so. Someone as ridiculously cool as Karna does not deserve the curse of the Lancer class.

ukulelembo

2012-08-22, 14:26

Ok, that makes more sense, but why give that info? We already know Jeanne will be Ruler. Isn't this supposed to be a light novel now? That sounds like something you would say for a game.

It is written as a description of characteristics her heroic spirit. Based on this we can assume from what will be based her fighting style and nature.

So maybe, just maybe, being Lancer won't be suffering this time around? Color me even more excited now.
I certainly hope so. Someone as ridiculously cool as Karna does not deserve the curse of the Lancer class.
Karna and Vlad III have D Luck-attribute. Benkei has even C Luck-attribute.
Who received the E Luck-attribute are Siegfried and Jack. (Poor poor killer-loli. :( )

Xellos-_^

2012-08-22, 14:28

Who received the E Luck-attribute are Siegfried and Jack. (Poor poor killer-loli. :( )
it does fit for Seig, except for bad luck, the man has no luck.

and jack is jack.

Thess

2012-08-22, 18:35

The luck from Lancers is more a joke from the Western fandom... so I doubt this will be something the authors of Apocrypha catch on.

Requiem-x

2012-08-22, 19:56

It is written as a description of characteristics her heroic spirit. Based on this we can assume from what will be based her fighting style and nature.

So Jeanne is mostly a close range fighter with different styles. Got it.

Karna and Vlad III have D Luck-attribute. Benkei has even C Luck-attribute.
Who received the E Luck-attribute are Siegfried and Jack. (Poor poor killer-loli. :( )

Well, damn, no wonder the novel ended pretty much saying "this will not end well for them".

ukulelembo

2012-08-22, 20:53

If you wonder here you have the original ending planned for the original Apocrypha game according to an interview with Nasu:
Nasu: To summarise, there is a conspiracy in the finale of the story that intends to use the Holy Grail War framework for evil. As the Counter Force, the Servant Joan of Arc wishes to safeguard the framework of the Holy Grail War. Other Servants wish to protect their respective Master, but Joan wishes to protect the Holy Grail War. Although the development of the story may change depending on the Servant’s relationship with the Master, ultimately the story concludes with Joan activating her ultimate Noble Phantasm which she stubbornly withheld.
Hopefully that novel ends somehow better. :(

Requiem-x

2012-08-22, 22:47

Nayim

2012-08-23, 02:20

ukulelembo

2012-08-23, 08:01

Considering the novel will be focused around Jeanne, that doesn't seem like such a bad way to go, or at least not a very unlikely one.
Novel will be ALSO focused around Jeanne, but probably not primarily. Only as ONE of the main characters.

I need source here:heh:
This interview with Nasu from Fate/complete material IV. (http://i.imgur.com/n29wy.jpg)
According this Apocrypha was supposed to be originally online game with a complete story. You should play as Master of one of the servants. Against other masters (other online players) with their servants for online ranking. You could fight or build alliances against other masters. Also there was some development of relationships with your servant, and others.
In any case, but the story concluded with Joan that for protection of the Holy Grail activates La Pucelle and vaporized everything.

Anyway, this ending depressed me. I hope they won't screw up in light novel version.
Well, the Novel has two options. Either retell the story of what was originally prepared for the game (And then we can maybe expect even worse end than had Zero :upset:). Or takes the original story and features only as inspiration and tells a whole new own story.

ukulelembo

2012-10-02, 11:42

"Fate/Apocrypha" confirmed as the separate appendix for new Type-Moon Ace! vol.8.
http://www.comptiq.com/typemoonace.html

sagdashin

2012-10-02, 19:09

"Fate/Apocrypha" confirmed as the separate appendix for new Type-Moon Ace! vol.8.
http://www.comptiq.com/typemoonace.html

Is that the whole thing? And when does it get on sale?
How can they fit a 250+ page book with a magazine, is it like in a bag or something lol :P

Hope it gets translated fast though!

chaos_alfa

2012-10-03, 04:31

ukulelembo

2012-10-04, 13:18

Is that the whole thing? And when does it get on sale?
How can they fit a 250+ page book with a magazine, is it like in a bag or something lol :P

Hope it gets translated fast though!
I think it will probably be just a chapter.
According to Higashide's Twitter (https://twitter.com/Higashide_Yu/status/253070222309855233) will be bundled with the magazine a "preview version" of Fate/Apocrypha.

Requiem-x

2012-10-04, 13:26

I think it will probably be just a chapter.

And I can already imagine myself getting trolled by having the entire thing being about Jeanne with Astolfo/insert the servant of your choice popping up right at the end for the mother of all cliffhangers :heh:

Anyway, thanks for the info, ukulelembo, much appreciated.

Nayim

2012-10-27, 14:19

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mckfq5Qhzr1rye1gyo1_250.jpg

Scan from Comptiq Magazine.

sagdashin

2012-11-02, 22:04

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mckfq5Qhzr1rye1gyo1_250.jpg

Scan from Comptiq Magazine.

Atalanta I guess

Ithekro

2012-11-02, 22:50

Skirt is shorter than Rin's.

maximilianjenus

2012-11-05, 11:28

Belt is too big.

chaos_alfa

2012-11-05, 16:38

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mckfq5Qhzr1rye1gyo1_250.jpg

Scan from Comptiq Magazine.

Why do we need to see her panty -_-
It doesn't add anything and just distract from her awesomeness.

Nayim

2012-11-06, 10:38

Review manga from All Around Type Moon:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md2o7fZ1EA1rye1gyo2_r1_500.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md2o7fZ1EA1rye1gyo1_r1_500.jpg

maximilianjenus

2012-11-06, 11:45

? why are you posting fate extra stuff in the fate apocrypha topic ( serious question, not rethoric or sarcastic)

Nayim

2012-11-06, 12:09

? why are you posting fate extra stuff in the fate apocrypha topic ( serious question, not rethoric or sarcastic)

Well because I thought its confirm that Fate/Apocrypha as official as real (Especially Atalanta make cameo in this manga, not tease or whatever), so I just post there. Sorry I break rule for all sudden:upset:

sagdashin

2012-11-06, 12:29

Never noticed Atalanta had a tail til now. I guess you can see it here in the original design too, only I didn't notice:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110628121833/typemoon/images/thumb/b/b3/Atalanta_i.png/180px-Atalanta_i.png

And that other guy has to be Siegfried

Nayim

2012-11-07, 08:11

I know posting related to Fate Extra in here is not very good idea but....

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md4c5naUup1rye1gyo1_1280.jpg

Here the info according to Famitsu:

Karna (Lancer) voiced by Koji Yusa & Jineko (Master, who is net addict) voiced by Aoi Yuuki.

Lancer (described as a “mysterious servant” who is pink succubus) voiced by Rumi Okubo.

maximilianjenus

2012-11-07, 12:19

Well because I thought its confirm that Fate/Apocrypha as official as real (Especially Atalanta make cameo in this manga, not tease or whatever), so I just post there. Sorry I break rule for all sudden:upset:

oh no, I did not mean it that way, so we are getting some random apocrypha characters thrown in the extra universe or what ? it sounds like they are using apocrypha servants in the new extra game, is that correct ?

florza

2012-11-08, 02:02

I can foresee Saint George (Dragon Slayer) vs Siegfried. Just asking to happen, like Lancelot vs Arturia.

And Astolfo... I fell for the trap :(.

Hope Apocrypha comes out soon, it has priority over every other read.

Nayim

2012-11-22, 12:34

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdwcw6XOn61rxsafxo1_400.jpg

The new Apocrypha chapter contained in the eighth issue of Type-Moon Ace contains Jeanne D’Arc’s story.

Om Nerabdator

2012-11-22, 13:26

Am i the only one here who wants to see the jack the ripper duo??

Nayim

2012-11-27, 02:16

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me4xd27rC91rye1gyo1_500.png

Release date: 29/Dec/2012. (At Comiket Market,83)

maximilianjenus

2012-11-27, 10:18

Is it a vn ?

ukulelembo

2012-11-27, 10:59

Is it a vn ?
No, Light Novel.
http://i.imgur.com/HWSGa.jpg

florza

2012-11-28, 05:17

Comiket... now that's disappointing. Seems like I'd have to wait for scans.

sagdashin

2012-11-30, 20:02

Who's that girl on the bottom left corner of the artwork?

Nayim

2012-11-30, 20:17

Who's that girl on the bottom left corner of the artwork?

Semirais, the Assassin.

Nayrael

2012-12-01, 14:22

Semirais, the Assassin.

For a class that is supposed to be restricted to one person only, there sure are many different Assassins XD

sagdashin

2012-12-02, 13:42

For a class that is supposed to be restricted to one person only, there sure are many different Assassins XD

I think that some other rules exists for this war since it's between two teams. What I am curious about is what's going to happen, when, let's say, there are two servants left - there are no teams to represent any more - do they fight for their own or something, just how are the rules surrounding the teams working.

florza

2012-12-02, 20:04

For a class that is supposed to be restricted to one person only, there sure are many different Assassins XD

Fate/Apocrypha is set in a parallel world; it has nothing to do with the main storyline.

Nayim

2012-12-02, 22:09

I don't think Fate/Apocrypha set in parallel world and there is no info confirmation about it. I mean like how Kara no Kyoukai's world connect to Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night (Touko and Cornelius's cameo).

I wouldn't surprise if Jeanne cameo at Fate/Zero was identify as canon because you know this is TYPE MOON you're talking about. It's a mess lol.

Requiem-x

2012-12-03, 02:24

Rejoice, for great news have surfaced.

http://seventhstyle.com/2012/12/02/fateapocrypha-to-have-multiple-volumes/

It's great to see they're being quite serious about this rather than just pulling off a mere one-shot.

This could mean it will be a while before Astolfo appears, but I guess you can't have everything.

sagdashin

2012-12-03, 10:31

now that's good news ^

Someone know if higashide does it solo, or nasu is supervising like he did with F/Z?

ukulelembo

2012-12-03, 19:27

Fate/Apocrypha is set in a parallel world; it has nothing to do with the main storyline.
I don't think Fate/Apocrypha set in parallel world and there is no info confirmation about it. ...
According to the first chapter the story is set sometime after Fate/Zero, but concrete relation to Fate/Stay Night is unknown for now.

Ithekro

2012-12-03, 19:35

The rules seem to have changed.

ukulelembo

2012-12-03, 20:24

The rules seem to have changed.
Not really. In the first place The war introduced in Apocrypha is different from previous ones. The story takes place in Shinjuku, not Fuyuki. So this is not Heaven's Feel 6. Thus We can expect that many things will be different. For example, it is likely that this grail will not affected by Avenger. Although anything is possible.

Nayim

2012-12-14, 00:52

Translation please?

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8356/8270236364_1e5211a376_b.jpg

ukulelembo

2012-12-14, 06:13

Pic
According to recent reports, it seems that Benkei and Kintoki were cut out and replaced by different servants.
On that picture is Reika from first chapter, probably two new masters and new "Red Saber" which is presumably Mordred!
Cover of first book:
http://i.imgur.com/VjWP2.jpg
According to Humanity6, Apocrypha will have a total of four books.

Nayim

2012-12-14, 07:27

Translation scan.

Here the confirmation:

-New “Red Saber” which is presumably Mordred, Son of Arthur Pendragon appear in this series.

-Mordred as Servant, the girl who wear red jacket is Mordred’s master.

-The war introduced in Apocrypha is different from previous ones (Fate/Zero). The story takes place in Shinjuku set sometime after Fate/Zero, but concrete relation to Fate/Stay Night.

-Kintoki Sakata (Berserker) & Benkei (Lancer) were cut and replaced with new servant.
The series will have four total of four books first.

-The “Green hair” servant is new character, replaced Benkei nor Kintoki. Including Mordred as new servant too.

-7 Red Camp and 7 Black Camp members were duel in Holy Grail War. While Jeanne is supervisor.

-Reika Rikudou and Jack The Ripper (Assassin) were canon part of this series, never been replaced by new character but redesign the character (As above picture show Reika’s new design).

-Dead Apostles (Commonly in Tsukihime, Melty Blood and Kara no Kyoukai) confirmed as part of main story, especially Vlad III is one of them.

-Some servants can switch their servant’s classes, Karna & Siegfied is apply to this classes form.

-Jeanne d’Arc (Ruler) is main character of this series.

-All characters introduce in each chapter were split the cast, were Reika and Jack’ background was first chapter introduction.

-Another character may who exactly is, supposedly [SHIROU] may appear in this series according to this magazine scan. (The translation wasn’t 100%, so If you take grain of salt because this info is almost near accurate or false alarm, at least what translator read the info said).

And bookmark.

http://i.imgur.com/dtkt8.jpg

GDB

2012-12-14, 08:03

That girl on the right... corrupted heroic spirit Kuroyukihime!?

florza

2012-12-14, 09:08

The girl with the white top and red jacket is 'Red Saber', just for the record.

GDB

2012-12-14, 09:21

Should've chosen a different color. The one, true Red Saber is Nero!

Arabesque

2012-12-14, 18:40

Mordred!... huh ...

I mean, I do get that they had changed his(her? I mean that outfit makes it hard to tell) backstory somewhat in Fate and made him a ''perfect knight'' and whatnot before his betrayal, but still ... this is seriously stretching the entire ''Throne of Heroes'' and '' Heroic Spirits'' concept really thin if they are going to make him/her a genuine one (unless (s)he was qualified for summoning due to the connection to the Arthurian lore a la Medusa and Meda)

I mean, it does open a lot of possibilities for some interesting stories, but I can't help but think this is another one of Takashi's insane desire to include his wifu in everything Type-Moon brings out ...

That girl on the right... corrupted heroic spirit Kuroyukihime!?

Heh, yeah the design is pretty similar (though I guess it is somewhat common nowadays). Still makes her pretty cool and attractive looking.

I do get what you are saying about the design, but I don't think we can really call her a ''corrupted'' HS considering this is Semiramis we are talking about. If we go by the sort of HS that Nasu considers pure, she would be among them I think considering how famed she is.

Should've chosen a different colour. The one, true Red Saber is Nero!

I'm of two minds about this. On hand I agree that the overlap with Extra!Saber isn't really good (though it is inevitable with how many Saber's we have now) and I would've liked if they had made it white instead to reflect Merlin's prophecy better.

On the other hand it does makes sense as we know that the central motivating force in Mordred's character (aside from the father complex) is that he always considered himself to be the rightful heir to Arthur and the throne, and since traditional the Welsh Dragon and the red colour are associated with Arthur's reign, it would be natural if he took red as his colour as well as a way of saying he is (or will be) the king. Would also tie in with his wish (and I don't think it's going to be hard to figure out what it is going to be about).

Or maybe I'm giving this too much thought.

redsnigami

2012-12-14, 21:45

well the question is mordred is a girl or boy? because i see the image and i get the feeling that mordred is a girl or a man with very weird taste in clothes so somebody give me the answer?

sagdashin

2012-12-14, 21:46

Mordred!

Woha! Now it became much more interesting. And the fact that's it's gonna be 4 books shows that type-moon are showing much interest in this project. Hope it becomes an anime :P

Nayim

2012-12-15, 10:02

Fate Apocrypha Interview Scan:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/7ebe4cd35dfa23cac4b4b3bbddd0c08e/tumblr_mf2jqmNI311rye1gyo1_1280.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/0c54ce6dae27e8affdcab1722c144460/tumblr_mf2jqmNI311rye1gyo2_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/5de85bda481bf256f010a121bfe83704/tumblr_mf2jqmNI311rye1gyo3_1280.jpg

EDIT:

9 New character revealed:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/90fff06d7338edb1ab0d25fae98d7740/tumblr_mf31ez44qh1rye1gyo1_1280.jpg

I hope someone translate this scan.

Arabesque

2012-12-15, 12:24

well the question is mordred is a girl or boy? because i see the image and i get the feeling that mordred is a girl or a man with very weird taste in clothes so somebody give me the answer?Yes, I think we can agree that Mordred does indeed have some weird taste in clothe.

No clue about his gender in this universe (logically, being a clone of Saber he should be a girl, then again he was mentioned as a male clone of her so ...)

Well, as Takashi would say ''Looks close enough, and once the lights are out, it won't matter much!''

Requiem-x

2012-12-15, 14:50

9 New character revealed:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/90fff06d7338edb1ab0d25fae98d7740/tumblr_mf31ez44qh1rye1gyo1_1280.jpg

I hope someone translate this scan.

Can't provide translation, but I can tell you this

Red saber and biker dude are Mordred and her master, the others are the black team's masters.

Fat dude in left corner is Siegfried's
Pale crazy looking chick next to him is Astolfo's
And in case people don't remember, the one looking totally out of place (besides biker dude) is Jack's
No solid info on the others' servant so far (that I could find).

ukulelembo

2012-12-15, 15:04

From Interview:

What's Mordred's gender?
Nasu: Mordred is a girl, definitely. A man with that sort of outward appearance is... well, I guess a certain kind of person would consider it a prize, anyway. (laughs)

LystAP

2012-12-15, 17:27

Can't provide translation, but I can tell you this

Pale crazy looking chick next to him is Astolfo's

You sure? Astolfo's always seemed like one of those power of love and friendship nuts; he doesn't feel at all compatible with her. :heh:

From Interview:

What's Mordred's gender?
Nasu: Mordred is a girl, definitely. A man with that sort of outward appearance is... well, I guess a certain kind of person would consider it a prize, anyway. (laughs)

Somehow this seems to make Mordred's story even more tragic.

Requiem-x

2012-12-15, 18:48

You sure? Astolfo's always seemed like one of those power of love and friendship nuts; he doesn't feel at all compatible with her. :heh:

Wouldn't be the first time it happens. Not everyone can be Giles and Ryuunosuke.

florza

2012-12-15, 21:07

EDIT:

9 New character revealed:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/90fff06d7338edb1ab0d25fae98d7740/tumblr_mf31ez44qh1rye1gyo1_1280.jpg

I hope someone translate this scan.

Now this one is interesting enough for me to do a brief summary of. Only putting down the interesting facts.

Leftmost (Gordes): Summoned the Black Saber with a bloodstained leaf of a Sacred Fig tree as a catalyst (Siegfried). A gigantic douchebag (Not in the text).
Second from left (Selenik): Summoned the Black Rider with a glass bottle which had a liquid stain left on it as a catalyst (Not sure which Rider is this, Saint George or Astolfo, leaning to Astolfo though, cause I'm almost certain Saint George will be on the opposite team as Siegfried. They wouldn't miss out a Dragon Slayer vs Siegfried, who bathed in the blood of a dragon for the world). Rather attached to Rider. (What is this, Fate/zero?) Regardless, yay for bishoujo.
Third from left (Danik): Black Lancer's Master. Catalyst not stated. Plundered the Holy Grail from the Third Holy Grail War of Fuyuki, is almost a century old despite looking in his 20s (At least he looks better than Zouken).
Fourth from left (Fiore): An adorable girl assumed to be Danik's successor. Summoned the Black Archer using an ancient arrow as a catalyst (Atalanta). All hail bishoujos.
Fifth from left (Cowles?): Fiore's little brother, is immature and childish beyo- err, beneath his age. Summoned the Black Berserker, with the blueprints of the 'Ideal Human' as a catalyst (Frankenstein).
Sixth from left (Roche?): Thirteen-years-old, and already famous in the field of 'Doll Engineering'. Respectfully refers to the Black Caster she has summoned by 'Sensei', their relationship is close to that of a teacher-student (Shakespeare). Spends all her time building golems in a workshop in the city for the Holy Grail War.

All of the above guys are part of some Romanian(?) organisation/clan/whatever, Yggmillennia, which they have behind their name. Reference to Yggdrasil should be clear as day, Danik even speaks of Yggdrasil (Tree of the Thousand Worlds) in his quote.

Big guy in the black jacket is a freelancing Necromancer. Summoned Red Saber with a splinter of the Round Table.

Black team: Siegfried, Astolfo, Atalanta, Frankenstein, Shakespeare, Jack the Ripper, Black Lancer (probably Vlad, since Romania).
Red team: Mordred, Saint George, David, Spartacus, Semiramis, Red Caster (one of the replacement for Kintoki & Benkei), Red Lancer (probably Karna).

Basically 1 of the seven classes for each side.

Don't think the green-haired guy looks like the type to be a Caster; might have some discrepancies.

Lisemer

2012-12-16, 01:47

Wait... As I can understand, SHIROU is a red master...
Maybe we'll see him in his mid-twenties after some of the routes? :heh:

sagdashin

2012-12-16, 03:52

Third from left (Danik): Black Lancer's Master. Catalyst not stated. Plundered the Holy Grail from the Third Holy Grail War of Fuyuki, is almost a century old despite looking in his 20s (At least he looks better than Zouken).

Wait... what? Well that explains why there's another grail war going on, but what did angra manyu corrupt then, or did he steal the corrupted grail? What the hell

florza

2012-12-16, 07:28

Wait... what? Well that explains why there's another grail war going on, but what did angra manyu corrupt then, or did he steal the corrupted grail? What the hell

It just says he plundered it in the Third, and concealed it in Romania.

Nayim

2012-12-16, 09:45

Cowles? For some reason, I think Crowles / Krowres / Kowles / Crowres is seem plausible for accurate Japanese romanization name. Just saying if this another misleading name since K is sound like C in Japanese to English and L is R since L are Japanese consonant context.

florza

2012-12-16, 10:17

Sorry, this just struck me. They're probably Romanian; which makes it highly likely that Danik's lancer is Vlad, since Dracula originates from Transylvania, in central Romania.

Which would mean-

Black team: Siegfried, Astolfo, Atalanta, Frankenstein, Shakespeare, Jack the Ripper, Vlad.
Red team: Mordred, Saint George, David, Spartacus, Semiramis, Red Caster, Karna.

Also, names are a pain, leave it to the translator to rack his brains over.

chaos_alfa

2012-12-16, 10:20

Nayim

2012-12-16, 10:29

Does Fate/Apocrypha have a concrete relation to Fate/Stay Night or not?

Just what Ukulelembo said, first chapter the story is set sometime in Fate/Zero (Meaning this series is before Fate/Stay Night or before Fate/Zero or both), no evidence relation to F/SN but it seem how the connection tied into from Fate/Zero first.

Does this mean Jack is going to get a new design :D
I didn't like her original.

Every servants has new change design, like Jeanne's purple ribbon hair and Semiramis's design. Not sure if Jack was really "redesign" because redesign doesn't mean change everything, it could be Illustrator draw her in typical feel like "Takeuchi Takashi" character without feel this is kinda loli design.

ukulelembo

2012-12-16, 11:13

Does Fate/Apocrypha have a concrete relation to Fate/Stay Night or not?

For now, nothing is certain. In first chapter was briefly mentioned fourth war. Suggesting that Apocrypha takes place sometime after Zero. But the first rumors from potential readers of Type-Moon Ace claims that Apocrypha is an alternate universe where the Grail was removed from Fuyuki City after the Third War. And thus fourth and fifth wars does not occur at all. This is however in contradicts with what suggested the first chapter. And it's all confusing. We will see later how it really is.

ivari

2012-12-16, 12:01

GDB

2012-12-16, 12:13

Also, apparently Adult Waver and 20something priest Shirou is appearing so it should happen after the fifth Fuyuki year-wise

...Priest? WTF?

ukulelembo

2012-12-16, 13:13

Reika Rikudou and Jack's redesign implies that the chapter preview in TM Ace was scrapped and rewritten. This would resolve the inconcistency about the mention of fourth HGW. Also, apparently Adult Waver and 20something priest Shirou is appearing so it should happen after the fifth Fuyuki year-wise

There are spoilers that black caster is suposed to be Solomon ibn Gabirol, and it fits since his master creates golems.
All this is based only on not very clear report from Humatiny6. There's no certainty that this all is really true.
One of new scans also reminds of existence of the first chapter:
http://i.imgur.com/AWWBB.jpg
Also Reika is not redesigned, but just drawn by another artist and with different clothes. For comparison:
http://i.imgur.com/1FkCp.png
Jack's actual appearance, is not yet known at all.

For now we only know that Reika with Jack are on the black side. There's a master on the red side, which is called "Shirou", but written with different Japanese characters than original Shirou. Waver is not master and his presence is not confirmed.

Nayim

2012-12-17, 04:57

http://i45.tinypic.com/o8zzuv.jpg

Larger image, It seem all masters revealed in that scan.

EDIT: All characters full name (Not sure if accurate, according from what I read the romanization translation are almost 70% translation reading)

Black Camp:

Danic / Danik Preston Ygdramillena (Black Lancer)

Fiore Forvegy Ygdramillena (Black Archer)

Gordes Morgik/Murgik Ygdramillena (Black Saber)

Selenic/Selenik Icecol Ygdramillena (Black Rider)

Cowles / Crowres / Krowles / Crowles / Kowles Forvegy Ygdramillena (Black Berserker)

Rouche/Louche or Rosy/Rosie Flyn Ygdramillena (Black Caster)

Reika Rikudou (Black Assassin)

Red Camp:

Shishi (Red saber)

Shirou or Shiro (???)

Rotwell Belsensky (???)

Jean Ram (???)

Pentel Brother [Younger] (???)

Bentel Brother [Older] (???)

Findo Wom Senbellum (???)

That's surprise me: I wonder Sagara Hyouma (Assassin's original master) has connection with Ygdramillena? I mean 1 Japanese (Reika) in Black Camp only is seem out of place since all six Black Camp are Romanians. Although Sagara Hyouma is Japanese race too. I think Sagara was prostitute working in Romania?.

OR

Maybe the last Ygdramillena member is actually "Big Villain" in this series? Ya know, the reveal of Seventh Ygdramillena member. Just wild guess.

ukulelembo

2012-12-18, 04:44

Translation of Master quotes:

Gordes: Saber, except for the moments when you are activating your Noble Phantasm, keep your mouth shut!
Fiore: So it has finally begun...
Danik: We of the Ygdramillenia will acquire all the mysteries and miracles of this world!
Selenik: You, are you perhaps a person with a vigorous sense of curiosity?
Cowles: Berserker, let's go too.
Roche/Rosie: Alright, teacher, the ritual is complete. Let's go back to our workshop!
Reika: Then, you can cut them a little. However, not in the throats because then they won't be able to scream anymore.
Mordred's Master: It's like my youth that was spent stepping over corpses.
Mordred: Hey, fucker. Call me a chick again and I can't restrain myself!
--Note: Mordred's manner of speech is very crude

florza

2012-12-18, 05:30

Mordred's Master: It's like my youth that was spent stepping over corpses.
Mordred: Hey, fucker. Call me a chick again and I can't restrain myself!
--Note: Mordred's manner of speech is very crude

Just FYI:

屍体と過ごした少年時代 means he spent his youth with cadavers. Nothing to do with stepping over them.

And Mordred's speech is just standard masculine, it's not very crude. Unless you meant crude for a woman, I guess.

ivari

2012-12-19, 05:15

http://www.mediafire.com/?k8n1lhcfjel23wm,9gqm3xguavdg2v0,us9axn91h3m345p

TMAce 8 Edition Fate/Apocrypha Preview Camrips.

sagdashin

2012-12-19, 07:34

There's a chance CommieSubs are going to translate Fate/apocrypha and/or Fire Girl. At least according to their newest recruitment post: http://commiesubs.com/winter-recruitment/

Hope they follow through and translates quickly, as I'm eager to read.

GDB

2012-12-19, 08:21

Is Fire Girl a TypeMoon thing too, or are they just interested in doing it?

ivari

2012-12-19, 12:26

http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/705-TYPE-MOON-light-novel-%E3%80%8CFate-Apocrypha%E3%80%8D?p=1053715&viewfull=1#post1053715

First page translation, is this okay here?

"La Pucelle carried within her kindness, humility,

honesty, naivete, and her faith.

Those were all she had."

―Words of a certain theologian

Rouen, Place du Vieux-Marche

......Insults were like the song of the distant, endless lands, and so they did not bother her. To say that she was not hurt would be a lie, but it was a pain she could bear with.

Horror, she did not quite feel. Chagrin and regret, those she had thrown away when she decided to take up the sword, and they never returned.

She did not like being dragged around, and so she walked straight forward. Unconsciously, she touched her breast, where the cross she had been relieved of used to be. With her pillar of the heart gone, she felt somewhat sorrowful. An Englishman who seemed to have thought of that, ran up to her and presented what seemed to be a makeshift wooden cross. Thank you, she said in gratitude, and he fell to his knees, tears running down his face. Though there were those who slung abuse, there were also those who were crying.

If insults were the song of the distant lands, then sorrow would be the lullaby a mother would sing.

Her hands were then tied behind her back, onto the tall wooden pole. The bindings were tightened with great force, so as to make sure they would never slacken, it seemed. There was no turning back now, she thought.

When the bishop finished with his recitation of the Last Judgement, the torches were thrown in all at once, and the flames began to lick at her feet, bit-by-bit. To those who believed that the erasure of the physical body was the greatest fear of all, this would be the harshest punishment.

The flames scorched skin, charred flesh, and burned bone. Over and over, they chanted the name of God and the Holy Mother.

―Your prayers are a lie.

Countless times she had been accused thus, countless times she had suffered abuse. Yet, she could never understand it. After all, there were no lies nor truth in prayer. Prayers were merely prayers, they did not change depending on whom or what you were praying to.

She wanted to tell them that, but no voice came to her throat. What had flashed before her eyes, was a scene from the past. She had been from a rustic village and an ordinary family, and she was a fool for throwing that all away.

Was she truly a fool? ...Indeed, she might have been one. After all, she knew that from the very beginning. She herself knew better than anyone else that this would be how it'd end.

―If she had looked away then, then she would never have met her end like this.

That's right. The sound of that voice stopped her ears. If she had abandoned the grief of the soldiers whom were likely lost, then she could have lived an ordinary life, have an ordinary marriage, and continued to live with her husband and children. That was the future she had, and she knew it.

However, she had thrown away that future for a different one.

She chose to take up the sword, to clad her body in armour, to bear a standard, and ride on horse-back to the front lines of war.

―She knew that this end would come, didn't she?

She knew. She surely knew. That as long as she continued to fight, someday, this day would come. Hence, it was inevitable that she was called a fool. But, the one thing she would not permit, was to mock herself as one.

"Even so, there were lives I saved. I was not wrong... to have chosen this path."

The scene from the past, the impossible future, and even the harsh reality, all of these were dispersed into nothingness before her prayers.

Merely prayers, merely sacrifices. Even if people told her she had been wrong, and insulted her, at the very least, she would not betray herself.

She regretted naught, and she had no longings, for the future down the road. All she wanted, was to lay in peace.

Despite being at the centre of such a brutal, gruesome scene―all that dwelled within her heart, was an honest, pure and selfless prayer, free of regret.

―Dear Lord, I give my body to thee―

Those were her last words. As her consciousness came to an end, she was released from her mortal coil.

Her dream will end, and reality would show itself. However, it had not yet ended. Indeed, the girl's dream had come to an end, but that of La Pucelle would start from then.

ukulelembo

2012-12-19, 12:29

Is Fire Girl a TypeMoon thing too, or are they just interested in doing it?
Yes, it's from Type-Moon.
http://www.typemoon.com/products/tmbooks/index.html
Fire Girl will be written by Meteo Hoshizora, who also wrote still unreleased Girls' Work anime (http://anidb.net/a8164).

shadow1296

2012-12-19, 20:18

i have some questions

1. are the sabers in this male or female

2. why is one team filled with the member of the some mage family, i thought only 1 representative from each mage family could participate?

3. is this shirou who's a master emiya shirou or not and if it is is his servent saber arturia?

4. why is jack the ripper london's most notoriuos serial killer and rapist a girl?

5. where's gil and ekidnu weren't they in this story?

6. when does this story take place?

florza

2012-12-19, 22:59

Right at the start they are revealed;

The Red Saber is the 'silver' Saber, and the Black Saber is the 'golden' saber.

Somewhere along the way Siegfried got turned gold, D:

sagdashin

2012-12-20, 01:04

Right at the start they are revealed;

The Red Saber is the 'silver' Saber, and the Black Saber is the 'golden' saber.

Somewhere along the way Siegfried got turned gold, D:

Midas touched him

Nayim

2012-12-20, 06:09

It seem Type Moon cut another servant from Fate/Apocrypha. It might sound disappointed but let’s not go through all that disappoint because I think it has something to do with some servants were cut.

Let see who exactly will appear in Fate/Apocrypha by 100% confirmed:

Black Faction:

Siegfried (Saber)
Vlad III (Lancer)
Chiron (Archer - someone from Beast Lair forum translate and confirm this is true, the mysterious green hair servant is your new Archer. I though ancient golden arrow was refer to Atalanta but Chiron has golden arrow too.)
Astolfo (Rider)
??? (Caster - Solomon Ib Gabirol [?]. Confirm by translator from Beast Lair said he summon golem, another typical caster who can summon monster. However, this is not sure 100% because in Red Faction was unlisted Caster too. That mean Shakespeare or Solomon was actually Rouche’s servant due hint of that she call “Sensei” is actually servant, not human teacher or whatsoever.)
??? (Berserker - The Ideal Human catalyst, sure does familiar with this hint, It’s actually Frankenstein but I can’t confirm this if Frankenstein was really there without evidence like official character art or light novel cover art to proof that.)
Jack The Ripper (Assassin)
Red Faction

Mordred (Saber)
??? (Lancer)
??? (Archer - Atalanta or David has 50% will make appearance. *Look at wild guess theory section*)
??? (Rider)
??? (Caster - Shakespeare or Solomon, both are confirmed but not sure which one Caster who side in Red Faction.)
Spartacus (Berserker)
Semiramis (Assassin)
That’s leave Karna, Atalanta, David, St.George & Frankenstein has 50, 60 - 100% chance, minus Benkei and Kintoki were cut by official confirmation.

Wild guess theory?:

Atalanta make official appearance in Type Moon media “Fate/Extra” manga. If she were cut in Fate/Apocrypha, I doubt we will see her in Fate/Extra CCC but regardless that make appearance in manga doesn’t make 100% she will be appear in Fate/Extra CCC because it’s kinda soft of non-canon plotline, Its like Character A is make appearance in both VG and manga and Character B is make appearance in manga only from both are same series. If David were cut, this same goes like what Atalanta’s situation is or 100% officially cut, just stay there in Fate/Material, never debut in VG, manga or LN, ever.

What about Karna? He make appearance in Fate/Extra CCC.

Well, I guess we wait and see what happen. As if there is another new servant who replaced F/A’s servant again. So yeah… I bet Karna’s situation same as Atalanta except he is officially debut. Of course, I bet Benkei and Kintoki (If St.George and Frankenstein were involve by anything goes happen) will appear in Fate/Extra CCC too? Who knows….

Just my two cent right there.

Arabesque

2012-12-20, 06:26

^ I hope they keep Atalanta at least, her design was always one of my favorites among the Apocrypha servants.

Not really sad to not see Karna showing up here. Don't really want another broken character a la Gil in here (ugh)

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the Gold and Silver ranks refer to the difference in the level of reverence and fame attached to each to their legends. I mean aside from the fact that Siegfried's legend puts him in a central role and a major driving force in his legend (while Mordred is only semi-important character in Arthurian lore at best), there is also the fact that Siegfried's tale shows him accomplishing many fantastic and impossible feats and by the end he is seen as a tragic and heroic figure, while Mordred's is most famous for his betrayal against the knights of the round table and the rebellion against Arthur. And how he us seen as being a traitor and a cowered in his final moments.

Which honestly makes Mordred even less of a silver saber, or a heroic spirit for that matter but whatever.

1. are the sabers in this male or female

It's ... both. The Black Saber is male, while the Red Saber is female (sorta)

2. why is one team filled with the member of the some mage family, i thought only 1 representative from each mage family could participate?

The premise for this war seem to be different from the Fuyuki Grail War, and also the Ygdramillena (or however that is spelled) family are actually comprised of different magi from different families who came togther to try and break away from the Mage's Association and be their own thing.

3. is this shirou who's a master emiya shirou or not and if it is is his servent saber arturia?

No idea thus far, seems to be a different person (and if this is actually a parallel world to the /Stay Night-verse, Emiya Shirou wouldn't exist since he wouldn't have lost his parents in the fire and Kiritsugu wouldn't have adopted him etc.)

4. why is jack the ripper london's most notoriuos serial killer and rapist a girl?

Same reason why the King of the Britons and his son are also girls.

5. where's gil and ekidnu weren't they in this story?

I think you might be confusing this with the other Fate novel, Strange Fake. That's the one with Gil and Enkidu.

6. when does this story take place?

Presumably after the Third Fuyuki Grail War.

florza

2012-12-20, 07:24

It takes place after the Third Holy Grail War; they refer to it as a 'sham', an imitation.

Should be the Clock Tower faction hiring freelancers vs the Yggmillennia faction.

'El-Melloi the Second' and 'Bram Nuada-Re Sophia-Ri' are two of the leaders of the Clock Tower faction.

Twi

2012-12-22, 03:46

I think this is a parallel world to canon, like Fate/Extra, and I find myself somewhat eager to see Shirou as a Master once again.

But overall I have conflicting feelings about Jack the Ripper. On one hand, I pity her backstory. On the other...she's Jack the Ripper, an infamous killer...that devours human soul now.

Still, I give credit where its due. Her former Master, who got what he deserved, had the right idea on surpassing the limitations of the Assassin Class.

florza

2012-12-22, 07:02

I think this is a parallel world to canon, like Fate/Extra, and I find myself somewhat eager to see Shirou as a Master once again.

I'm pretty sure it's a parallel timeline at the very least; the Holy Grail was stolen from Fuyuki in the third Holy Grail War; the text states that the Holy Grail War was no longer able to be held; the Fourth Holy Grail War would have been held ten years ago from the current time in Apocrypha.

GDB

2012-12-22, 09:35

the Holy Grail was stolen from Fuyuki in the third Holy Grail War; the text states that the Holy Grail War was no longer able to be held

Which really doesn't make sense if you've played Heaven's Feel, since it's not exactly something that can be stolen as far as I can recall. Not to mention the number of people who would even know about the Greater Grail should be limited to basically the Matou, Einzbern, and maybe Tohsaka.

florza

2012-12-22, 10:20

The Yggmillennia 'stumbled upon it' at Mt Enzou during the third War, got the Nazis they were siding with to help them move the Great Grail, then they double-crossed the Nazis midway and made it seem like it was 'spirited away'. The three families were too exhausted from fighting and got defeated when they tried to stop those dang muggers.

That's about the gist of it.

TLDR version: Some baka gaijins showed up all gangsta-like and made off with the Grail.

sagdashin

2012-12-26, 13:18

Here's some more translated stuff from beast's Lair:

A perculiarly empty patch of land formed on the field of battle. However, nothing stepped within that space. Be they homunculi, golems, even mindless dragon tooth warriors, they understood that this one place was the pit of Hell. They would be senselessly shattered if they were to step inside.

Only those chosen -- only Servants possessed the right to exist there.

-- Even now, two Saber Servants stood there.

On the one side was a silver knight whose small frame was entirely wrapped around by thick armor, making it one single mass of steel. Due to the face-covering helm, the knight's race or gender was completely unknown. Its weapon was a silver sword adorned with splendid decorations.

On the other side was a tall man surrounded by an unusual air. The greatsword he held with both hands, like the sword of his opponent, boasted a magnificence and enormity possible only for weapons which had been tended to by inhuman hands. The green jewel embedded in the hilt stood out in particular.

The color of their swords were silver and gold respectively, and while their shapes differed, both weapons had a brilliance worthy of being wielded by heroes. However, this battle was impossible. The era of swords had announced its end ages ago. Firearms ought to be the conquerors of the battlefield.

In that case, were they barbarians left behind by time, only existing to be mocked by the bearers of firearms?

No, that would be all the more impossible.

" -- Here I come, Saber of Black!"

Gold answered the call of silver.

" -- Come, Saber of Rot!"

In an instant, the 'Red' Saber leapt with lion-like roar. The knight's stomp shook the earth, and the speed of the charge pierced the sound barrier. This jump was due to a skill the 'Red' Saber possessed called Prana Burst. By instantaneously releasing the magic power carried by one's arms or in one's flesh, the knight rushed forward with a momentum much like a bullet's, and swung the weapon with ease despite its overlarge size.

The force of the jump blew away the remains of golems and warriors which had fallen to the earth. With such speed, such destructive power, even the strongest land weapon of modern war, the main battle tank, would be pulverized.

-- However, while the leaping knight was one not of the ordinary, the opponent was also an existence who had reached the domain of demons.

With a fierce warcry reminescent of a massive dragon, the 'Black' Saber, golden greatsword in hand, took several steps forward. Not hesitating in the slightest at the enemy charging towards him at incredible speeds, the sword he held aloft was swung down.

If one were to call the silver onslaught a bullet, then what came to intercept it was a high-speed golden giullotine. Steel clashed with steel, and the impact destroyed their surroundings to an absurd degree.

"Ha! That was weak, Saber of Black!"

"Kuh -- !"

Steel masses and fighting spirits clashed, and sparks flew. There was no pity, no hatred, only powerful wills who would deny the existence of the other, and the whirl of utter joy found in facing a powerful enemy. Ever since the start of this war, their swords had already crossed ten times. Subconsciously, the 'Red' Saber's cheeks drew into a smile.

Neither of them were supposed to exist in this world in the first place. They were the corporeal forms of extraordinary human beings who had left their names in history and made legends. Heroes whose names did not disappear even after their deaths but continued to live on in the hearts of people, they were known as Heroic Spirits, and the two of them were the duplicates of such -- 'Servants' who materialized in this world to follow another.

Their thirteenth clash -- and immediately after, the world became silent. Their weapons not shattered, their flesh not scattered, the two knights displayed an equilibrium that could even be called elegant, their swords continued to be locked with each other. At first glance, it was clear that the 'Black' Saber held the advantage in terms of physique. The difference between him and the 'Red' Saber was practically that of a man and a child.

However, it was in fact the golden knight who was being overpowered -- and it was the silver knight who overpowered him.

The reason was, as before, the Prana Burst skill. This time, the silver knight was not using magic power to charge forward, but to augment physical strength. Right now, the 'Red' Saber was like a shell with its fuse lit and about to be fired.

"Uuooohhh -- !!"

The 'Red' Saber -- the silver knight stepped forward, its foot crushing down into the ground, and gave a spirited roar.

Unable to withstand it, the 'Black' Saber was blown backwards, but as expected of a hero, he only jumped back and did not roll around clumsily. His knees did not give out, and his expression did not change.

The sword of the 'Red' Saber was thrust forward. Even with the mask, one could tell that the low chuckle emanating from the helmet was dripping with scorn.

"And you call yourself a Saber, one who ought to be the 'greatest' amongst Servants? What a disappointment. Or perhaps this is as far as a fake can go?"

"......"

The 'Black' Saber became quiet. Certainly, as the 'Red' Saber said, he was a fake Heroic Spirit. There was no way for him to match a proper Heroic Spirit like the 'Red' Saber.

Even so, that did not mean he could admit defeat. To save the fallen comrades behind him -- willing or no, he had to fight.

" -- O sword,"

The 'Black' Saber chose the best course of action to bring down the enemy before him.

"Let thee be filled."

His voice was detached. Without a single change in expression despite the incoming death, the 'Black' Saber so announced. The greatsword held above his head began to overflow with an orange light.

"So you would release your Noble Phantasm... ha, very well!"

The 'Red' Saber muttered with a growl. There was no trace of urgency in its tone. A Noble Phantasm -- it was the ultimate weapon of the Servant, something that activated by chanting its true name.

It could be something which simply had incredible destructive power, or something with a special property of always penetrating and killing the opponent once released, or even something that's not a weapon, but the strongest of shields with a speciality against thrown weapons. There are as many Noble Phantasms as there are legends.

And of course, like the 'Black' Saber, the 'Red' Saber also possessed a Noble Phantasm.

" -- Well then, my Master has given me permission. Allow me to respond in kind!"

The 'Red' Saber took a stance with the silver sword. At the same time, the heavy face-covering helmet split into two and became one with the armor.

Their eyes met. The 'Black' Saber raised his eyebrows a little, as though in slight surprise. But of course, for the 'Red' Saber had the face of a small girl. Normally, Servants were summoned in the form of their peak. As such, most heroes were in their twenties and thirties, their prime. However, this 'Red' Saber was clearly too young. It was likely that she hadn't even reached twenty.

Besides, the fair features of the girl did not conceal her brutal nature -- rather, she did not bother to conceal it in the first place. In her eyes, glaring fixedly at the 'Black' Saber, there was a mix of the joy found in battle, and cruelty.

"...Why did you remove your helm?"

'Red' answered the question of 'Black', sounding irritated.

"It's nothing, I just can't activate my Noble Phantasm without taking it off first. Do you not have less trifling things to worry about, 'Black'?"

In an instant, the space centred around 'Red' Saber and her sword became stained with blood. What's more, the blade of her sword was enveloped by a radiance of blood and, giving off bizarre sounds, began to transform.

Of course, this was not the original appearance of the Noble Phantasm. The pure, beautiful and famous sword was being transfigured, by her wanton hatred, into a sinister and wicked blade fit to be wielded by a demon.

"It's time for your execution. Come, meet an end worthy of an imitation, Saber of Black -- !"

'Red' Saber raised her grotesque sword.

It was clear to any who saw that it would be a killing blow --

"...I come."

'Black' Saber, just as before, stood and faced her directly without any hesitation. Whether he had a winning chance or not meant nothing to him.

-- It needed to be done.

'Black' Saber understood that. He was not risking his life, because he had no life to risk to begin with.

The orange light and blood radiance swelled instantly. The whirling air around them screamed, letting all around them know that the two Noble Phantasms were completely released.

They were truly the swords of legend. They thundered, as the stuff of dreams, phantasms which killed enemies and pierced demons in the hands of heroes who raced over the fields of battle.

In their hands were swords, they were both Saber-class Servants -- and they were both enemies which the other needed to defeat.

"Clarent -- " (Rebellion --)

'Red' Saber raged.

"Bal -- " (Phantasmal Greatsword --)

'Black' Saber bellowed.

"-- Blood Arthur!!" (-- Against My Beautiful Father!!)

"-- mung!!" (-- Downfall of the Sky Demon!!)

Twilight and red lightning raced out and crashed into each other. The two flashes of light, like surging waves with simply the purpose of destruction, attempted to swallow one another.

It was the most unlikely scene possible in history as written by man. It was a clash of two deadly Noble Phantasms, from two heroes who were born in different eras and flourished in different lands.

Light filled the surrounding area and annihilated everything around them. The golems and warriors crowding around them were overcome and faded into dust.

Everyone who witnessed this majestic, unrelenting scene swallowed their breath. The space filled with crimson and orange seemed as though it was declaring the end of the world.

However, all stories must have an end. The light that had only swelled began to calm, and disappeared like specks of dust.

The ground where the two had stood was a tragic sight to behold as well.

Imagine a butterfly spreading its wings. Such a mark had been carved into the ground. It was the trace of an explosion, so enormous it could be seen even from far up in the sky.

How many people would be able to believe that such a trace was left behind by the slash of a sword? It was certain that a new legend had been born today on this land.

The impossible clash between the legendary holy sword and the anomalous demonic sword gouged out the earth.

What decided the battle between them was not their technique, their power or the respective qualities of the Noble Phantasms. The Noble Phantasm released by 'Black' Saber spread a wave of twilight in a semicircle centred around him.

On the other hand, 'Red' Saber released a straight line of crimson lightning from the tip of her sword. What decided the battle was the special traits of their two Noble Phantasms, and the distance at which they chose to take on their opponent. If 'Black Saber' had been a few steps closer, the battle might have gone differently.

In any case, the victor and the defeated were determined. One Servant had fallen. The other was on one knee. 'Red' Saber, on her knee, stood up while shaking with shame.

Filled with intent to kill, she glared at the fallen 'Black'.

"Why are you still alive...?!"

The Noble Phantasm was a weapon which ensured death, and at the same time, a source of enormous pride. Its true name having been released, it would be a matter of honor if it did not kill its enemy. And with a Noble Phantasm crowned with the name of her father, the King of Knights, it was not pride to 'Red' Saber but closer to a sort of grudge.

Thus, to 'Red' Saber, the sole fact of 'Black' Saber being alive was unforgivable. Continuing to grip his sword would earn him her hatred. That he would raise his head and even attempt to stand up was something 'Red' Saber could never accept even if she could slash him apart a hundred more times.

Intense pain racked her body, but it would be no obstacle to any act of battle. Having used her Noble Phantasm to such a degree ought to have exhausted an incredible amount of prana, but her Master was exceedingly competent, so much so that she had the strength to move immediately after using her Noble Phantasm.

"Don't you move, Saber of Black. I, and nobody else, will be the one to kill you...!"

She would lop off his head, and run her sword through his heart. It was a privilege only allowed for her.

The 'Red' Saber took a step forward.

Sourse: http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/3173-Fate-Apocrypha-Free-Range-Spoiler-Thread

Clarent is a ceremonial weapon Arthur owned, which Mordred stole and later killed Arthur with.

Balmung is Siegfried's 2nd weapon, after discarding Gram

Nayim

2012-12-29, 04:36

Image content revealed:

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Shirou - Supervisor Church (Servant: Semiramis; Red Assassin)

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Homunculus (Interesting, he is the first male homunculus in Fate series)

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Chiron and new servant (?)

The bad news is St.George (Rider) were cut by new servant, can’t confirm this one. I guess Chiron (bottom) is actually Rider and above is Archer (?)

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Here we go again - List of confirmation Servants and Masters:

Black Faction

Siegfried (Black Saber) - Gordes
Vlad III (Black Lancer) - Danik
??? (Chiron, Atalanta, David or new servant (?) Black Archer) - Fiore
Astolfo (Black Rider) - Selenik
??? (Solomon (?) Black Caster) - Rouche
??? (Frankenstein (?) Black Berserker) - Cowles
Jack The Ripper (Black Assassin) - Reika
Red Faction

Mordred (Red Saber) - Shishi
??? (Red Lancer) - ???
??? (Chiron, Atalanta, David or new servant (?) Red Archer) - ???
??? (St.George or Chiron, if his Noble Phantasm change into centaur/nymph might fit descrption in Rider classes (?) Red Rider) - ???
Shakespeare (Red Caster) - ???
Spartacus (Red Berserker) - ???
Semiramis (Red Assassin) - Shirou

Malkuth

2012-12-29, 05:43

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Kanon

2012-12-29, 10:47

Is it true that this Shirou is called Shirou Kotomine? That would certainly explain why he's with the church.

I think I need a new pair of pants.

ukulelembo

2012-12-29, 11:01

Is it true that this Shirou is called Shirou Kotomine? That would certainly explain why he's with the church.

Yes, it's true. And apparently he is even married.

GDB

2012-12-29, 11:22

"Saber of 'Red'" is Mordred, right? Wasn't the previous image of her (sorry, but no matter how much she proclaims to be a dude, dudes don't wear tube tops) one that had pink hair? Granted, blonde hair makes more sense (and sticks with canon), but I guess that means she dyes it at some point?

Also, her general look and demeanor remind me of Cal from Phantom.

chaos_alfa

2012-12-29, 11:26

desrtsku

2012-12-29, 11:31

Damn, this thread was hard to find, but what a nice reward! a lot of good stuff are already in here.
Yes, it's true. And apparently he is even married.
D-don't tell me it's Karen ... :uhoh:

GDB

2012-12-29, 11:33

I don't remember having seen her with pink hair. Aren't you mixing her up with Astolfo, who does have pink hair?

After checking TypeMoon Wiki, yes. I thought he had been labeled as a Saber previously.

D-don't tell me it's Karen ... :uhoh:

That's probably likely. However, if so it means he likely wasn't raised by Kirei, but rather just took their family name (I guess because they have a higher social ranking), meaning we'd see Shirou as he would've been without Kiritsugu's influence.

Or, they could have just come up with a reason for his family to die and he gets adopted by Kirei. In which case he'd probably act more like Karen than Kirei anyway, since Kirei didn't go total Sadist/Troll until meeting Gil, which wouldn't have happened here.

ukulelembo

2012-12-29, 11:43

D-don't tell me it's Karen ... :uhoh:
According to initial translations, his wife is for him as sister.

desrtsku

2012-12-29, 11:49

According to initial translations, his wife is for him as sister.
Well, I'm glad Shirou is still a "nice guy" when it comes to those things.

And the lucky guy got Semiramis? ... I hope he doesn't get castrated though.

gim

2012-12-29, 15:42

I don't like this Shirou design as the dude was resemble too much of Yami-Marik, though his role in the story was kind of interesting.

shadow1296

2012-12-29, 15:58

LystAP

2012-12-29, 18:40

http://25.media.tumblr.com/9ed3e00d4be93c6efd95dce0109b0724/tumblr_mfs3rxcZJo1qbd5ulo1_500.jpg

What? Who made Astolfo cry? :frustrated:

Twi

2012-12-29, 18:54

According to initial translations, his wife is for him as sister.

Wait, are we talking about:
A sister of the church?
Ilya?
or Karen?

And if he had a different origin, he won't have UBW, will he?

ukulelembo

2012-12-29, 18:55

What? Who made Astolfo cry? :frustrated:
He forgot the name of his Noble Phantasm.

Wait, are we talking about:
A sister of the church?
Ilya?
or Karen?

And if he had a different origin, he won't have UBW, will he?
Currently nothing is definitely confirmed. Anything is possible.

Xacual

2012-12-29, 19:00

And if he had a different origin, he won't have UBW, will he?

Yeah without Avalon and the events that led to the 5th grail war where he participated he shouldn't have UBW.

GDB

2012-12-29, 19:24

though this shirou is still the same shirou but different events happen to make him this because its a different timeline and i'm surpried nobody's mentioned how much he looks like archer now maybe this is the timeline in witch he became a heroic spirit

I noticed it too, but it can't be that timeline. One, he had Avalon and gave it up, which means two, he had summoned Arturia. Neither is the case here.

Yeah without Avalon and the events that led to the 5th grail war where he participated he shouldn't have UBW.

Assuming they actually stick to canon, yes. But there's nothing that says he couldn't have done this (the skin and hair color changes through overuse of mana) in some alternate way.

Xacual

2012-12-29, 19:26

Assuming they actually stick to canon, yes. But there's nothing that says he couldn't have done this (the skin and hair color changes through overuse of mana) in some alternate way.

Well if he has Executor training then he probably has some kind of magic he excels at. It would be interesting if he had a different kind of reality marble though.

Twi

2012-12-29, 19:56

Well if he has Executor training then he probably has some kind of magic he excels at. It would be interesting if he had a different kind of reality marble though.

We can't have Shirou Kotomine have the same personality as Shirou Emiya, so if he's distorted somehow he'd need to be in a way we hadn't seen coming. But for now, let's see what has has in store for us...

But seriously, SHIROU KOTOMINE?
How did this happen? If the fourth war never happened then Shirou should be living with his parents since an Uber-Fire didn't burn them to ashes.

Xacual

2012-12-29, 20:02

We can't have Shirou Kotomine have the same personality as Shirou Emiya, so if he's distorted somehow he'd need to be in a way we hadn't seen coming. But for now, let's see what has has in store for us...

But seriously, SHIROU KOTOMINE?
How did this happen? If the fourth war never happened then Shirou should be living with his parents since an Uber-Fire didn't burn them to ashes.

He probably joined the church at an early age and later on was adopted / married into Kotomine's family. I'm 80% sure his wife is going to turn out to be Caren.

Also you don't have to be distorted to have a reality marble.

Ithekro

2012-12-29, 20:27

Unlimited Black Key Works?

florza

2012-12-29, 20:39

shadow1296

2012-12-29, 20:51

They're not even the same Shirou.

we dont know that for sure it could the same shirou but a different timeline version of him, and it could not be but if it isn't than how would you explain his archer like appearence?

Xacual

2012-12-29, 21:05

we dont know that for sure it could the same shirou but a different timeline version of him, and it could not be but if it isn't than how would you explain his archer like appearence?

Overuse of magic, that is easily explained. And we know it's a different timeline version of him. That's already confirmed. It's a different timeline where Shirou wasn't orphaned by the fire and didn't have Avalon shoved inside him which changed his origin to Swords. Also not raised by Kiritsugu who wouldn't have any reason to pick up some random kid since he wouldn't have even been in Fuyuki without the 4th grail war.

florza

2012-12-29, 21:31

For one, they don't even have the same name.

Twi

2012-12-29, 22:19

For one, they don't even have the same name.

Shirou took the last name of his adoptive parent. We know it's not Shirou Emiya in the sense as it is not the same timeline, but at the same time it's an parallel world and a parallel representation of the being that Shirou is.

It's like how Fate Stay Night, Fate Unlimited Bladeworks, and Fate Heaven's Feel are alternate worlds (scenarios) where the sequence of events are changed slightly, the question is this:

What led to the creation of this being known as Shirou Kotomine?

wellis

2012-12-29, 22:20

Overuse of magic, that is easily explained. And we know it's a different timeline version of him. That's already confirmed. It's a different timeline where Shirou wasn't orphaned by the fire and didn't have Avalon shoved inside him which changed his origin to Swords. Also not raised by Kiritsugu who wouldn't have any reason to pick up some random kid since he wouldn't have even been in Fuyuki without the 4th grail war.

How do you know it's confirmed? No seriously just because someone has the same name as someone else doesn't mean they're the same person. I'm named after my grandfather, actually my entire name is exactly the same as my grandfather's entire name, but we certainly aren't the same person. So what real clues are there that this Shirou is an AU version of the person who would become Emiya Shirou in the Fuyuki Grail timelines? Has there been mentions of Shirou Kotomine being born in Fuyuki for instance?

Xacual

2012-12-29, 22:25

How do you know it's confirmed? No seriously just because someone has the same name as someone else doesn't mean they're the same person. I'm named after my grandfather, actually my entire name is exactly the same as my grandfather's entire name, but we certainly aren't the same person. So what real clues are there that this Shirou is an AU version of the person who would become Emiya Shirou in the Fuyuki Grail timelines? Has there been mentions of Shirou Kotomine being born in Fuyuki for instance?

Yeah they're really going to throw in a Japanese master named Shirou who looks almost exactly like F/SN Shirou and have it be a different person entirely.

Ithekro

2012-12-29, 22:54

Well Red Saber was Emperor Nero rather than King Arthur, so it is possible he is someone else entirely.

desrtsku

2012-12-30, 00:52

Well Red Saber was Emperor Nero rather than King Arthur, so it is possible he is someone else entirely.
The circumstances are a bit different though.

All Fiction

2012-12-30, 01:36

So, I heard that
Siegfried dies in this 1st volume because he transplanted his heart to the Homunculus

Is this true? It kinda feels pointless to summon him if it is.

Nayim

2012-12-30, 07:14

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Source from Humanity6. According to Humanity6, this is official confirmation list of servants will appear in Fate/Apocrypha. 7 Red Servants, 7 Black Servants, Ruler and especially some servants were cut and replaced with new character.

Here the list (Note - * mark mean new servant that was not part of the designs for the original canceled online game project.):

Black Faction

Siegfried (Saber) - Master: Gordes Musik Yggdmillena
Chiron* (Archer) - Master: Fiore Forvedge Yggmillena
Vlad III (Lancer) - Master: Danic Prestone Yggmillena
Astolfo (Rider) - Master: Selenik Icecol Yggmillena
Solomon Ibn Gabirol* (Caster) - Master: Rouche Flyn Yggmillena
Frankenstein (Berserker) - Master: Caules Forvedge Yggmillena
Jack The Ripper (Assassin) - Master: Reika Rikudou

Red Faction

Mordred* (Saber) - Master: Kairi Sisigou
Atalanta (Archer) - Master: ?
Karna (Lancer) - Master: ?
Achilles* (Rider) - Master: ?
William Shakespeare (Caster) - Master: ?
Spartacus (Berserker) - Master: ?
Semiramis (Assassin) - Master: Shirou Kotomine

Jeanne d’Arc (Ruler)

Discarded servants:

David (Archer)
Kintoki Sakata (Berserker)
St.George (Rider)
Musashibo Benkei (Lancer)

Humanity6 mention about introduction new magecraft called “Double Summon” where servants can be summoned as two classes: Semiramis, Ruler, Siegfried, Karna & Achilles.

Gundamx

2012-12-30, 08:14

Anyone know what Shirou real name is?
As far as we know his real family could be Kotomine family...
(Sub family.)
(Emiya Shirou is not his real name.)

Nayim

2012-12-30, 09:08

So, I heard that
Siegfried dies in this 1st volume because he transplanted his heart to the Homunculus

Is this true? It kinda feels pointless to summon him if it is.

Worth mention:

Apparently Homunculus receives the heart of the real Siegfried, but why and what it means is still a mystery at this point. Which mean Homunculus is real Siegfried's master.

Of course especially:

the Prologue is actually the last battle between the Homunculus and Mordred, and the story of Apocrypha is a retelling from Homunculus’s side.

desrtsku

2012-12-30, 10:12

hum ... is it me or the Red faction is full of top class badasses (>ω>)?

florza

2012-12-30, 12:40

The Red faction is basically a bunch of freelancing bounty hunters with established notoriety hired by the Clock Tower, with the exception of the guy from the Church and the guy sent by the Clock Tower.

Nayim

2013-01-01, 10:09

Official art bookmark

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desrtsku

2013-01-01, 10:36

Nayim

2013-01-01, 10:38

Dat Astolfo ... why were you born a GUY!? I'm afraid I might get away from the straight path again!

Dat Semiramis! Why you so sexy!? now I can walk down the straight, yet S&M, path again.

And, just a question ...
I heard Vlad-sama clashed with the Spartacus dude with Ex rank endurance, is that right? :eek:

http://services.2013jan.akibablog.net/images/1/fate-apocrypha/114.jpg

NSFW site:

http://blog.livedoor.jp/geek/archives/51377078.html

desrtsku

2013-01-01, 10:53

Yosh, Black team confirmed to be full of GAR, cute, badass and awesome.
I'm sold.