High School DxD Light Novel - Archived Latest Release & Character Discussion

[Algester]

from the way I see it I think her sister forced her to it... but I dunno...

[Yami no Ou]

^its seems so,but to think that Sona will wear it even if her sister forces it

[Yye1]

Sona is a siscon, so there is that weakness

[Welsh_Dragon]

Sona is a siscon, so there is that weakness

I'm not sure but isn't Levi-tan the siscon of the Sitri family. When was it stated that Sona is a siscon?

[XFire]

I'm not sure but isn't Levi-tan the siscon of the Sitri family. When was it stated that Sona is a siscon?

During the Ophis side-story. Akeno teases Sona about Serafall wearing erotic underwear, and Sona goes on a rant about protecting her sister from the "weird bugs" around her.

[Yami no Ou]

During the Ophis side-story. Akeno teases Sona about Serafall wearing erotic underwear, and Sona goes on a rant about protecting her sister from the "weird bugs" around her.

oh so Sona was a siscon after all, LOL

[sky black swordman]

^its seems so, but to think that Sona will wear it even if her sister forces it

Well another reason as to why Sona is wearing that outfit is that it may be a gift of sorts from her to her sister. I'm pretty sure that's one gift that Levi-tan would love to get. :heh:

[Somethindarker]

I can't wait for vol. 15 and season 2. Isn't there gonna be a new OVA released with it?

What would really be awesome is if the author and the illustrator would release like an appendix volume that focuses on the world of High School DxD, explaining certain past events, how things like devil contracts work, what bible god and the original maos were like along with adding pictures of some of the characters and items that haven't been illustrated yet. High School DxD is a a pretty popular series and I'm surprised they haven't done anything like that. Also, who else here would totally geek out if they release a volume with Saji as the main character going on a side mission with the Sitri group?

[cyberdemon]

I can't wait for vol. 15 and season 2. Isn't there gonna be a new OVA released with it?

What would really be awesome is if the author and the illustrator would release like an appendix volume that focuses on the world of High School DxD, explaining certain past events, how things like devil contracts work, what bible god and the original maos were like along with adding pictures of some of the characters and items that haven't been illustrated yet. High School DxD is a a pretty popular series and I'm surprised they haven't done anything like that. Also, who else here would totally geek out if they release a volume with Saji as the main character going on a side mission with the Sitri group?

something like that with Saji would be much more likely just a SS chapter rather than a volume.

[Somethindarker]

something like that with Saji would be much more likely just a SS chapter rather than a volume.

Yea like maybe every chapter would be focused on a different character I'm really curious what the dynamic is like in the Sitri and Bael teams. Dunno I'd be willing to wait for the main story to be expanded if we can get some world exploration. The author has stated he wants to expand the universe more and maybe have a time-skip with the story focusing on Millicas. But I'd rather have an appendices book like they do with the Big 3.

[Yye1]

So the title of vol 15 is the dark knight and the sunny spot? What an odd name

[Nihgthawk]

Looks like Rias in Wonderland is has started to be translated and is 2.5/3 done atm.

[darkofficer]

here's what we have so far for the girls of the group:



Shinra Tsubaki (Queen) - Total Kiba fangirl



not a fangirl she is in love with kiba

[ReaperxKingx]

Rias in Wonderland is quite the interesting short story. It gives us a glimpse of Rias' feelings and point of view in the story. I like this type of story telling. Rias and Ise are undoubtedly the two main protagonists so I feel like occasionally the author should switch to Rias when Ise is unavailable or its one of a special moments.

Asia is the strongest Rival to Rias. It makes sense for her to be.

[n0m@n]

Dragon Magazine reveals the profile of two more characters.
Ravel. 153cm tall. BWH 85-59-84. (Official. Volume 14 illustration and anime design screwed up. Cough-blame-cough-miyama-cough).
Azazel. 188cm (Damn he:s tall. Well he looked like he was 2 or 3 heads taller than Asia in the latest illustration.....)

[The Green One]

Rias in Wonderland is quite the interesting short story. It gives us a glimpse of Rias' feelings and point of view in the story. I like this type of story telling. Rias and Ise are undoubtedly the two main protagonists so I feel like occasionally the author should switch to Rias when Ise is unavailable or its one of a special moments.

Asia is the strongest Rival to Rias. It makes sense for her to be.

Asia does have the second strongest bond with Ise, and some rather intense chemistry as well.

[Nihgthawk]

Dragon Magazine reveals the profile of two more characters.
Ravel. 153cm tall. BWH 85-59-84. (Official. Volume 14 illustration and anime design screwed up. Cough-blame-cough-miyama-cough).
Azazel. 188cm (Damn he:s tall. Well he looked like he was 2 or 3 heads taller than Asia in the latest illustration.....)

Was there not something mentioned in volume 14 that Ravel's chest had gotten bigger lately? Maybe those measurements are a few months, story wise, out of date.

[Algester]

Was there not something mentioned in volume 14 that Ravel's chest had gotten bigger lately? Maybe those measurements are a few months, story wise, out of date.
do take note as a demon Ravel has what you can call body transformation... take that what you will... and considering Issei... err fetish? they are all connected

[Yami no Ou]

all I can say is that Ravel is pretty sexy :heh:

[ReaperxKingx]

Dragon Magazine reveals the profile of two more characters.
Ravel. 153cm tall. BWH 85-59-84. (Official. Volume 14 illustration and anime design screwed up. Cough-blame-cough-miyama-cough).
Azazel. 188cm (Damn he:s tall. Well he looked like he was 2 or 3 heads taller than Asia in the latest illustration.....)

Is there an update profile on the rest of the characters. Ise is taller than everyone in the Gremory group. Also, I remember Ise said that Rias had a bigger bust than Akeno while Akeno was more softer in touch. The last profile mentioned that Akeno is larger than Rias.

[cyberdemon]

do take note as a demon Ravel has what you can call body transformation... take that what you will... and considering Issei... err fetish? they are all connected

from what I understand mature demons use them. I'd say Ravel is Au Natural which i prefer. She just had a growth spurt that was natural for a girl her age.

[XFire]

Is there an update profile on the rest of the characters. Ise is taller than everyone in the Gremory group. Also, I remember Ise said that Rias had a bigger bust than Akeno while Akeno was more softer in touch. The last profile mentioned that Akeno is larger than Rias.

Other way around. Supposedly Rias is softer but Akeno is bouncier. Wtf am i writing.

[ReaperxKingx]

Other way around. Supposedly Rias is softer but Akeno is bouncier. Wtf am i writing.

Really??? Here is part of volume 3 , Life 3, Part 3.
“You have a serious face lately, Ise.”
Motohama said to me while fixing the position of his glasses.
“Eh? Aaah, yeah kinda. Even I have to think about certain things sometimes.”
“Is it that? Were you thinking about groping Rias-senpai’s oppai or Himejima-senpai’s oppai?”
“I always have a hard time choosing that every day, Motohama. By the way, in terms of size, Buchou wins. Buchou also wins in terms of fullness. But in terms of softness Akeno-san wins…… No, Buchou has more meat but Akeno-san’s ones has good balance with the oppai and the areola. So it reminds me of something like Yamato Nadeshiko! In terms of having fun, groping Buchou wins. But Akeno-san’s oppai is also big.”

[XFire]

Really??? Here is part of volume 3 , Life 3, Part 3.
“You have a serious face lately, Ise.”
Motohama said to me while fixing the position of his glasses.
“Eh? Aaah, yeah kinda. Even I have to think about certain things sometimes.”
“Is it that? Were you thinking about groping Rias-senpai’s oppai or Himejima-senpai’s oppai?”
“I always have a hard time choosing that every day, Motohama. By the way, in terms of size, Buchou wins. Buchou also wins in terms of fullness. But in terms of softness Akeno-san wins…… No, Buchou has more meat but Akeno-san’s ones has good balance with the oppai and the areola. So it reminds me of something like Yamato Nadeshiko! In terms of having fun, groping Buchou wins. But Akeno-san’s oppai is also big.”

Oh. well, whatever. Is it weird that I'm a little relieved I couldn't remember that part perfectly?

[ReaperxKingx]

Oh. well, whatever. Is it weird that I'm a little relieved I couldn't remember that part perfectly?

No its not, what is weird is that me and girlfriend both read this Novel and well.......when we read some of Ise's fantasies.........well that is private

Overall, I hope volume 15 is going to be good. Hopefully we get to see what ticks in Sona's head.

[Nvis]

I always had the impression Akeno's were bigger than Rias, at least from the pictures/anime I've seen.

[ReaperxKingx]

I always had the impression Akeno's were bigger than Rias, at least from the pictures/anime I've seen.

That is true as well. Though this is Ise's opinion, knowing his nature, I think it impossible for Ise to mistake who is larger out of the two. Also Ise mentioned that Rossweisse's breasts are the best shaped out of the Gremory Group.

[blade82]

That is true as well. Though this is Ise's opinion, knowing his nature, I think it impossible for Ise to mistake who is larger out of the two. Also Ise mentioned that Rossweisse's breasts are the best shaped out of the Gremory Group.

when did he saw her naked:confused: and i was thinking that he prefers more Kuroka's

[Chris38]

when did he saw her naked:confused: and i was thinking that he prefers more Kuroka's

Ise saw Rossweisse naked, when he used Dress Break on her, in the 9th volume.

[Ultragunner]

Hey hey, the numbers in the profile also include the whole upper torso, bigger number does not necessarily mean the oppai are bigger; and remember the difference between Rias and Akeno is...1cm :heh:. So it's not that strange if Rias's OPPAI are a little bit bigger than Akeno.
.....
Again, what am I saying :heh:

[ReaperxKingx]

Hey hey, the numbers in the profile also include the whole upper torso, bigger number does not necessarily mean the oppai are bigger; and remember the difference between Rias and Akeno is...1cm :heh:. So it's not that strange if Rias's OPPAI are a little bit bigger than Akeno.
.....
Again, what am I saying :heh:

Hopefully we will have updated profile measurements on all the characters. Ise is no doubt taller than all the group aside from Rossweisse I believe. Rias should be the same size as Akeno or a little bit bigger, since Ise has his way with them every night.

What I wonder about is Kuroka, her breasts' sizes Ise said himself rivals Akeno and Rias. Actually Kuroka's breasts has best of both worlds from Rias and Akeno, Kuroka has the elasticity from Rias and the softness of Akeno. It also has a nice balance to it, while it may not excel in sizes of the two Ojou-samas or their strengths, it seems like Kuroka's breasts may be the best.



Actually I've been meaning to ask, what is with the rubbing of breasts that makes Japanese believe they'll become bigger? It seems like every culture has different ways to increase breasts sizes. In the U.S. the only natural method to increase breast sizes is by drinking beer.

[Yami no Ou]

it seems that they think that rubbing their breasts by the man they love will make it bigger? thats based on other anime as well,crap its getting off-topic :heh:

[JAGI_X]

I guess that is everyone is affected by Issei's influence :heh:

[Tempest35]

In regards to Highschool DxD, breasts are NEVER off topic!

[ReaperxKingx]

In regards to Highschool DxD, breasts are NEVER off topic!

True, it is the reason why he is called Oppai Dragon. Sometimes I am very interested in Japanese cultures, the one rubbing breasts sizes is always the one that keeps popping up. There has to be a science to it or something, anyone got any ideas? I know there is the myth of having the person you love rubbing it, but there got to be another side to this.

[GDB]

Probably derived from how when you work out, your muscles get bigger. This would be the equivalent work out for oppai, I suppose? Combine that with hormones, and you get a theory that makes for exciting times?

[ReaperxKingx]

Probably derived from how when you work out, your muscles get bigger. This would be the equivalent work out for oppai, I suppose? Combine that with hormones, and you get a theory that makes for exciting times?

From what I remembered from sexual education back in Middle School, aren't the breast mostly made of fatty tissue. If you train, you'll burn fat.

[GDB]

I believe so, but don't bring logic into this. :p

[Yami no Ou]

In regards to Highschool DxD, breasts are NEVER off topic!

oh I suppose so,Issei is the Oppai Dragon after all :heh:

[Mars Mode]

From what I remembered from sexual education back in Middle School, aren't the breast mostly made of fatty tissue. If you train, you'll burn fat.

I really wonder why am I taking part in this conversation.:confused:
But wouldnt that mean that the breasts would get smaller, and I certainly dont see that happening in real life at least when one person is young

[ReaperxKingx]

I really wonder why am I taking part in this conversation.:confused:
But wouldnt that mean that the breasts would get smaller, and I certainly dont see that happening in real life at least when one person is young

Conversation is perverted, but discussing it here is better than discussing it with my girlfriend otherwise my head will no longer be on my shoulders. Plus it is interesting.

[GDB]

at least when one person is young

They're still maturing, and thus will grow regardless of any rubbing.

[n0m@n]

I actually said it several times already, but Ravel:s breast never did grow. It was simply an illustration error. Miyama has already apologised about the mistake on his twitter. It certainly does say that Devils can change/alter/maintain their appearance, but Ravel was simply an error by the illustrator. Nothing more nothing less.

Volume 13 illustration of Ravel was an illustration that came out on Dragon Magazine which was released before volume 10. Hence why that illustration is the only one which has her with a flat breast. Well, the anime design of Ravel also got stuffed up because of it......

[ReaperxKingx]

I actually said it several times already, but Ravel:s breast never did grow. It was simply an illustration error. Miyama has already apologised about the mistake on his twitter. It certainly does say that Devils can change/alter/maintain their appearance, but Ravel was simply an error by the illustrator. Nothing more nothing less.

Volume 13 illustration of Ravel was an illustration that came out on Dragon Magazine which was released before volume 10. Hence why that illustration is the only one which has her with a flat breast. Well, the anime design of Ravel also got stuffed up because of it......

So Nom@n, if High School DXD gets animated to vol 5 and 6, how would Ravel be animated. For us Light Novel fans its doesn't do much for us except makes us want to throw a parade while anime fans, being picky as they are, will have numerous questions.

[cyberdemon]

I actually said it several times already, but Ravel:s breast never did grow. It was simply an illustration error. Miyama has already apologised about the mistake on his twitter. It certainly does say that Devils can change/alter/maintain their appearance, but Ravel was simply an error by the illustrator. Nothing more nothing less.

Volume 13 illustration of Ravel was an illustration that came out on Dragon Magazine which was released before volume 10. Hence why that illustration is the only one which has her with a flat breast. Well, the anime design of Ravel also got stuffed up because of it......

I find it more pleasing that she fell for Issei and her breasts grew as a result. lol

[whitecloud]

Oppai everywhere in this thread.....all of you are pervert....hehehe..admit it

[JAGI_X]

Oppai everywhere in this thread.....all of you are pervert....hehehe..admit it

Whitecloud like Azazel said to Issei he never even regret once.....so yeah we have to admit:heh:

[Yami no Ou]

Oppai everywhere in this thread.....all of you are pervert....hehehe..admit it

I'm sorry dude but I won't admit that I'm a PERVERT! :heh:

[Velsy]

I always thought ravel was flat chested, and I like her that way. She is still pretty much a child/teen growing in the phenoix family.

And I guessing I may be the only one, but I find it very annoying when Issie carries on about his boobs. Hes starting to turn into a spoiled brat as well, acording with the last volume.

[lilNewBlood]

And I guessing I may be the only one, but I find it very annoying when Issie carries on about his boobs. Hes starting to turn into a spoiled brat as well, acording with the last volume.

Not only you, even Ise himself also stated that he has this "spoiled brat" syndrome which will turn into his weakness.

[Ken Sanders]

"Why can't the world be peace and ero."

By: Ma Kensei of HSDK

There's nothing wrong being perverted. Being perverted means that we are living our lives to the fullest. Hence, ero is also part of life.

So, we have Ise as the perverted yet kind Harem King.

http://images.wikia.com/highschooldxd/images/d/d8/739949_4286400400087_1420464773_o.jpg

[GrrDraxin]

I think I have an answer to the breast growth through massage issue. If you should recall, when a woman's breasts get ready to lactate, they tend to grow a bit, and rubbing them stimulates them, especially when concentrating on the nips. So if Isse were to actually get to suck them, and does it enough, Rias and/or whoever else gets the pleasure of it, would naturally grow some, though the likelihood of actually lactating for no reason there after could become the occasional embarrassment for the group if it soaks through their clothes when it happens.

[Yye1]

I thought Ravel's boobs did not undergo drastic growth, just that there was an error with illustration and anime, so why r ppl still talking about it?

[Velsy]

Not only you, even Ise himself also stated that he has this "spoiled brat" syndrome which will turn into his weakness.

Well I liked Issie from the start because he wasnt just a douche protagonest we see in a lot of mangas. But hes starting to follow that path now late into the volumes. I really hope he doesnt go down that path. I was looking forward to his harem path, but its now clear its going to be a Issie x Rais thing. If its going to go that way, well I wish he'd stop being a sook about it.

[cyberdemon]

Well, since this is a character discussion page and everything and if someone could update that dxd wiki...

Funimation just released info on who's dubbing who:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-05-25/funimation-reveals-high-school-dxd-future-diary-dub-casts

Honestly, I have no idea who these people are. Maybe except Rias' dub since she did remind me of Masane Amaha from Witchblade, but that's about it.

there's actually a clip out already but you should take this to the anime thread

[amtro]

I just noticed that Book Walker released a reader for computers.
You can buy digital volumes of books and manga from bookwalker. In Japanese of course

[n0m@n]

Taken from one of the image revealed for volume 15.

"Hey, hey, Sekiryuutei-chin. Can I suggest you one things"
"What"
Kuroka points at Le Fay.
"Can you have Le Fay as one of your candidate as a magician you will make a pact with?"
"--!"
Everyone here gets shocked at Kuroka's unexpected suggestion!

http://services.2013may.akibablog.net/images/31/highschool-dd/113.html


Some people here were saying that Le Fay will make a pact with Ise since end of Volume 12, so looks like you guys might be right.
I never expected that..... I hoped for it, but I didnt expect it to happen since she is part of Vali-team and is a terrorist lol. My prediction sure does suck:D


Another image.
http://services.2013may.akibablog.net/images/31/highschool-dd/114.html
I thought Rias would look much younger than that when she first met Kiba.

The other images are non-colour illustration from short stories which are already available in social group since they just reused it.

[Chris38]

Le Fay making a pact with Ise ... well, she is a fan of the Oppai Dragon, so I think I know why would she want to make a pact with Ise, but I would say that's pretty unexpected, due to her terrorist origins.

Well, I doubt that Ise would be against something like that ... but I wonder, what are Ravel's thoughts on this matter. :heh:

Anyway, it looks like the next volume is going to have some pretty interesting developments ... despite it containing some side stories as well.

And I also thought that Rias would be younger when she met Kiba.

[kusabireika]

Agreed with that though I think was chosen probably the other factor she a strong magician on vali side and may help issei on his next power-up or she might teach him a little about magic well it's just my opinion

Well uhm thx nom@n for giving us a little preview thx

[Somethindarker]

Another image.
http://services.2013may.akibablog.net/images/31/highschool-dd/114.html
I thought Rias would look much younger than that when she first met Kiba.

The other images are non-colour illustration from short stories which are already available in social group since they just reused it.

Le Fay making a pact with Ise ... well, she is a fan of the Oppai Dragon, so I think I know why would she want to make a pact with Ise, but I would say that's pretty unexpected, due to her terrorist origins.

Well, I doubt that Ise would be against something like that ... but I wonder, what are Ravel's thoughts on this matter. :heh:

Anyway, it looks like the next volume is going to have some pretty interesting developments ... despite it containing some side stories as well.

And I also thought that Rias would be younger when she met Kiba.

Figured Kiba is only about 2 years older, devil wise, than issei. She seems about right for a first year.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Le Fay making a pact with Ise ... well, she is a fan of the Oppai Dragon, so I think I know why would she want to make a pact with Ise, but I would say that's pretty unexpected, due to her terrorist origins.

Well, I doubt that Ise would be against something like that ... but I wonder, what are Ravel's thoughts on this matter. :heh:

Anyway, it looks like the next volume is going to have some pretty interesting developments ... despite it containing some side stories as well.

And I also thought that Rias would be younger when she met Kiba.

Keep in mind that issei is hosting the ex-leader of the chaos brigade plus 4 old enemies (Kuroka and le fay) and (Xenovia and Irina)
Plus this is the same guy who asked the leader of angels to allow devils to pray because of their faith I don't think he minds making a pact with an enemy.

[Newhope]

I knew La fay would be the one to make a pact with Issi it makes perfect sense to do so.

[Endscape]

I knew La fay would be the one to make a pact with Issi it makes perfect sense to do so.

How? You do remember that she's a terrorist, right? I figure Le Fay, if she makes a pact, will be more of a secret contractor.

[Newhope]

How? You do remember that she's a terrorist, right? I figure Le Fay, if she makes a pact, will be more of a secret contractor.

She or Vali as a whole haven't really done anything terrorist like yet other than be part of a organization and kuroka trying to take her sister back.

Le fay has already proven that she probably one of the more powerful mages, if I was Issei I'd rather have a contractor I already knew and up to a certain point can trust than somebody with an unknown agenda.

[G147]

All members of the Vali Team are known as terrorist and are known by all factions.

[Endscape]

She or Vali as a whole haven't really done anything terrorist like yet other than be part of a organization and kuroka trying to take her sister back.

Are you joking? Have you forgotten that they're a part of Chaos Brigade? By her own admission, their team has done terrorist attacks against various factions, and are wanted people.

Le fay has already proven that she probably one of the more powerful mages, if I was Issei I'd rather have a contractor I already knew and up to a certain point can trust than somebody with an unknown agenda.

I understand that, but the fact remains that she is a terrorist. When people ask what magician he made a pact with, he can't exactly say he made one with a terrorist, can he? At best, she'll be a secret contractor, I think.

[bodo]

Are you joking? Have you forgotten that they're a part of Chaos Brigade? By her own admission, their team has done terrorist attacks against various factions, and are wanted people.



I understand that, but the fact remains that she is a terrorist. When people ask what magician he made a pact with, he can't exactly say he made one with a terrorist, can he? At best, she'll be a secret contractor, I think.

You have a point, but I don't see a reason for the other factions to be against it. The other factions will probably think that Issei is just a pervert who is messing around whith Kuroka and Le Fay, or think that he is just using them since he is so strong there is no way that those two would do something bad, since there is no chance for Kuroka and Le Fay to win against Issei.

[G147]

But Issei needs to think about the standing of the Devils, Gremory and Sirzechs. What would others feel if the brother in law of one of the leader of the Devils contracted a terrorist, they would lose trust from other factions.

[ReaperxKingx]

You have a point, but I don't see a reason for the other factions to be against it. The other factions will probably think that Issei is just a pervert who is messing around whith Kuroka and Le Fay, or think that he is just using them since he is so strong there is no way that those two would do something bad, since there is no chance for Kuroka and Le Fay to win against Issei.

It depends on what happens later. The crime for attacking the Peace treaty meeting is quite serious and not easily forgiven especially since the Old Faction of the Demon world was there as well. Ise is already a Hero in the Underworld since the upper society of the Underworld wants to investigate Ise's relationship with Great Red and also it is true that he defeated Jabberwock.

You know I am sad by the fact that Lilith is a city and not a person, I want another Great Female Demon into the mix.

[rickiminato]

this morning I get the limited edition vol 15 at my house n,n

the age of rias when she found kiba was 12 years old

[ReaperxKingx]

this morning I get the limited edition vol 15 at my house n,n

the age of rias when she found kiba was 12 years old

I knew there was something off in the photograph, Rias' body figure looked like a Middle Schooler. Age wise Rias met Kiba when she was 14.

[Nvis]

That picture with Kuroka (pretty much naked) and Issei (no shirt) + others dressed = WHAT WERE THEY DOING????

[Yye1]

Wait rias was that stacked at 12?

[Welsh_Dragon]

That picture with Kuroka (pretty much naked) and Issei (no shirt) + others dressed = WHAT WERE THEY DOING????

restoring Issei's life force/span with senjustsu? Or maybe he just finished working out?

[sky black swordman]

Are you joking? Have you forgotten that they're a part of Chaos Brigade? By her own admission, their team has done terrorist attacks against various factions, and are wanted people.

I understand that, but the fact remains that she is a terrorist. When people ask what magician he made a pact with, he can't exactly say he made one with a terrorist, can he? At best, she'll be a secret contractor, I think.I agree with you, but one thing is that they're no longer members of the Chaos Brigade.
Wait rias was that stacked at 12?

Well, if you recall in the volume 8 Extra Life SS, Issei stated (from the picture he saw of Rias youth) Rias breasts were already pretty big when she was in middle school. So Rias being quite big at the age of 12 is not unlikely.:heh:

[Velsy]

But Issei needs to think about the standing of the Devils, Gremory and Sirzechs. What would others feel if the brother in law of one of the leader of the Devils contracted a terrorist, they would lose trust from other factions.

Who cares what the Gremory house thinks ?

I am fine with La Fay, infact I think thats a very good selection for Issie. From what we've seen from La Fay, she appears to be a prodigy witch and has an interest in the "oppia" dragon. But I am guessing Lay Fay will need Valis approval before it can happen (Vali being the leader of her team).

[kagato3]

Re: Team Vadi. Given the number of times they have helped the 3 factions I wouldn't doubt that there would not be much of a problem to the higher ups if it was known that La Fay is a contracter. In fact if I didn't know better I would say that Vadi was a deep cover agent in the Chaos Brigade placed there by Azazel. It's also questionable how well known she is out side the higher ups of the factions as Vadi's group both tends to be the one that resorsts to accutal terror tactics the least perfering to fight mostly in staight up duels or to pay back those that wrong them (and on this part it is pretty much just other members of the CB). So as a reputation the group pretty much 75% just causeing problems for other members of the CB the rest seeems to be fairly minor crimanal acts or in Kourka's case in defence of her sister.

[ta2666]

Re: Team Vadi. Given the number of times they have helped the 3 factions I wouldn't doubt that there would not be much of a problem to the higher ups if it was known that La Fay is a contracter. In fact if I didn't know better I would say that Vadi was a deep cover agent in the Chaos Brigade placed there by Azazel. It's also questionable how well known she is out side the higher ups of the factions as Vadi's group both tends to be the one that resorsts to accutal terror tactics the least perfering to fight mostly in staight up duels or to pay back those that wrong them (and on this part it is pretty much just other members of the CB). So as a reputation the group pretty much 75% just causeing problems for other members of the CB the rest seeems to be fairly minor crimanal acts or in Kourka's case in defence of her sister.

What about the attack on the school during the peace conference vali participated in that and that was a terror attack

[G147]

Read Volume 11, Le Fay once explained to Issei that the Vali does many things from time to time from searching strong opponents, researching new things and to terrorism as well, so yeah they might not be aligned to Khaos Brigade but the Vali Team are still villains wanted throughout the world.

[Chris38]

Vali's team might be wanted on the paper ... but the truth is ... that, hardly anyone from the three powers is trying to really catch them.

After all ... if that would be the case ... then Le Fay and Kuroka would have already been arrested, since Ise's house is probably one of the more important places for the alliance in the human world, and I doubt that Sirzechs, Micheal and Shemhazai don't know that Kuroka and Le Fay, are living in Ise's house, from time to time.

That's also why I think that it would be a problem for Ise to make a pact with Le Fay ... it probably can't be officially mentioned ... but, overall I doubt that anyone ... apart from the other girls that are interested in Ise ... would have any problems with this.

[GDB]

If they did make a pact, would she be a Rook like Roseweiss or a Queen like Akeno? She couldn't be a Bishop, since both those slots are already allocated (Asia and Ravel).

[Chris38]

If they did make a pact, would she be a Rook like Roseweiss or a Queen like Akeno? She couldn't be a Bishop, since both those slots are already allocated (Asia and Ravel).

Mages, that enter a pact with a Devil don't receive Evil Pieces... they stay human ... and it's the Devil who made a pact with them, that lends his powers to the mage he is contracted with, by doing some tasks for him, protecting him from some dangerous situations ... etc.

Basically, it's a completely separate system, that has no relation with the Evil Pieces that a King has.

[GDB]

Oh that kind of contract. Thought you meant standard Evil Piece pacts. The anime never really went in depth on that sort of contract system, and since I had already seen it I skipped over volumes 1 and 2.

[WILD_LION]

But after complete the magician contract, if Le Fay decide by herself she can question Ise if she can convert in his servant?

[kagato3]

But after complete the magician contract, if Le Fay decide by herself she can question Ise if she can convert in his servant?

yes. the contract has been explained as more or less like the jobs the devils do everynight but it is like them being on call and with a prearanged price. For example witch x could summon Ise at any time to do a task for her but each time he gets to grope her boobs.

[Algester]

But after complete the magician contract, if Le Fay decide by herself she can question Ise if she can convert in his servant?
a haremete can be not someone who can participate in games since both his bishops are already taken... AKA reserved

[ReaperxKingx]

Well it looks everyone is either ecstatic or confuse over a possible contract with Le Fay. I will try to outline the possibilties why it should or why it shoudln't happen.

Well in theory there are two conflicting pints with strong arguments. It is already obvious that the clear one is that Vali's group is considered an enemy, by many organization and countries. Attacking the peace treaty is most likely their biggest trouble they brought on to themselves. That is enough for majority of the Underworld to label them kill on site, even Sirzerch would destroy them if they present harm to Rias (which if Vali did went through the trouble to harm Rias, he will die). On the other hand, the Vali group has assisted he Underworld many times, specifically Gremory group. On many important occasion, despite its for their own interest not for the Underworld. Also, Ise's and the Gremory group would most likely vouch for them to consider them not really enemies, well in Ise's head "a bunch of troublemakers to people with their adventures ".

Well here is my thought on the matter:
My opinion on the contract of Le Fay is that, I say it should go through. Yes, yes those on the opposition, before you jump into my throat I know what they done to the Underworld that warrants them enemies. I see this matter as a smart move for the Underworld, it is clear that the Khaos Brigade is not done, not by a long shot. There is another leader who is regrouping and has enlisted Grayfia's brother to be his underling. As such it means that the leader is quite strong. Also coupled with a unlimited supply of healing tears and who knows what else they done for experimentation to get them an edge like the Chaos Drive.

Thus with the contract means that Le Fay will be an ally and an asset for the Underworld, they can acquire information from Le Fay through the Gremory group. It will allow the Underworld to strengthen their defenses. It work for Ise as well considering Le Fay's bloodline and already proven an above elite Magician so Ise gets what he needs. Although that need may bring trouble, but it is better than picking a Magician from a list.

[The Green One]

Contracting with a member of a "terrorist" team would be a no no reputation wise don't you think? If that itself was put aside I think Ise and Le Fay could have a good working relationship.

[Algester]

Also got me to thinking if Issei would marry Rias what will happen... will Issei adopt the Gremory name or will Rias adopt the Hyodo name?

hmm though I can say that a pact with Le Fay works but we will probably see who will Issei choose on the next story volume... though I do think Le Fay will not disagree to the idea somewhat...

[ReaperxKingx]

Contracting with a member of a "terrorist" team would be a no no reputation wise don't you think? If that itself was put aside I think Ise and Le Fay could have a good working relationship.

Reputation wise, it wouldn't do much for or against Ise. He is already a large figure in the Underworld, both being a Hero and a devil who cross the boundaries of the classes of the Devil society for being the boyfriend of Maou's little sister. While Le Fay is regarded as a terrorist, she didn't have a big part of the attack of the Peace treaty.

Aside from the reputation, I agree with your point on a good relationship. While it may be conflicted for her when Ise and Vali face each other and Kiba and her brother do as well, other than that it is a good relationship. While yes, many would outrage say the Harem is already full. It is all right if she holds affection for Ise and if she is a minor in the Harem.


The one thing that bugs me in the illustration of that picture is why is Miyama-Zero still drawing Ise like he is skinny with little muscles. It is already noted by many characters that Ise has enough muscle to where clothes that can cover muscles such as his school uniform can be distinctly be shaped and chiseled.

[Chris38]

The one thing that bugs me in the illustration of that picture is why is Miyama-Zero still drawing Ise like he is skinny with little muscles. It is already noted by many characters that Ise has enough muscle to where clothes that can cover muscles such as his school uniform can be distinctly be shaped and chiseled.

Well, it wouldn't be the first mistake that the illustrator made ... maybe it's going to be corrected, when the normal edition of volume 15 comes out.

[kagato3]

There is a question as to exactly what her terrorist activities are and who they were against, as history has shown one groups terrorist is another groups hero. If all of her acts were directed at other factions with in the CB (and all the ones that have been shown in the novel have been) it's questionable if they would count to the 3 facticions.

I do not belive she was part of the atack on the peace treaty as Vadi seems to have formed his group after that and from the sound of it she and her brother were aligned more with the hero faction if any before joining Valdi, and they were not part of that atack.

[amtro]

No, Miyama Zero does this for the sole sake of self insertion, it is intentional.
Weak and underwhelming otaku can not relate to a strong, capable and popular MC so he draws Issei as a scrawny child instead of the man the LN states he is.
Also his training methods aren't effective towards the goal of building any significant amount of muscle, but if his goal is general fitness then Ishibumii is right on the mark by having him do cardio and calisthenics.

[sky black swordman]

Also got me to thinking if Issei would marry Rias what will happen... will Issei adopt the Gremory name or will Rias adopt the Hyodo name?



When Issei marries, Rias he will take her family name Gremory, so he will probably be known and referred to as "Issei Gremory." It's possible that this may be only limited to the underworld and while in human realm may Issei still be known and Issei Hyoudou, while Rias takes his family name Hyoudou in the human realm.

[GrrDraxin]

^ Gotta love that two-way street of thinking when dealing with the workings of two worlds.

[Algester]

No, Miyama Zero does this for the sole sake of self insertion, it is intentional.
Weak and underwhelming otaku can not relate to a strong, capable and popular MC so he draws Issei as a scrawny child instead of the man the LN states he is.
Also his training methods aren't effective towards the goal of building any significant amount of muscle, but if his goal is general fitness then Ishibumii is right on the mark by having him do cardio and calisthenics.
actually after the part he trains with Tanninim miyama already drew Issei the man he is stated to be (biceps and all well technically its a shirt with the sleeves ripped off) so not sure if its inconsistence or what you said is intentional, but you know its only in volume 5 we get to see part of his figure since much of the illustrations we have of him he's wearing his uniform or is fully clothed

[Om Nerabdator]

Well, it wouldn't be the first mistake that the illustrator made ... maybe it's going to be corrected, when the normal edition of volume 15 comes out.

im kinda amazed that mistakes are being made by the illustrators, arent they talking to the authors or something??

[ReaperxKingx]

im kinda amazed that mistakes are being made by the illustrators, arent they talking to the authors or something??

In the case of Miyama Zero, he creates art for video games I think they are called Eroge and he been noted as one of the best. He also illustrate other Light Novels as well he it been hectic for him. He also creates art book for many other series.

So it is not hard for him to mess up, I just hope he fix it by vol 16. Ise does not have the muscle type of Sairaorg, but he is muscular. I would say a Light Middle to Middle Weight Mix Martial Artist without the Martial Arts, just the body type.

[Velsy]

About Team Vali. .. From my understanding

Vali and Kuroka(cat girl) would only be the ones on the most wanted list by the devils and Fallen angels. Vali could be be considered a traitor, but future acts had him assisting the 3way alliance. He and his group has had more independent goals. Azezel (respected in the Fallen angels) seems to be ok with him, he hasnt issue any orders to bring him in amung his sub-coordinates. Remeber they left the Choas begrade and have been looking for strong weapons/opponets.

Koruka is wanted by the devils for murder, she would definately not be approved if she was available for contract. She killed her master and the persuing guards and escaped capture and fled. Rias's group hasnt recieved any orders to capture Koruka as of yet, she is more or less under Valis protection at that. I recall Issie trying questioning her as to why she murdered. But she wouldnt say anything. Hinted she was pushed or treated cruely.

Monkey man seems to be persued by the other monkey men. Tho it appears they really an't serious about capturing him. It more or less looks like a grandfather trying to discipline his family more than anything.

For La Fey, it hasnt mentioned anything about crimes shes commited. Shes been apart of the Vali team who has assisted the 3-way alliance. Thats why I beleive there is no problem if she was called apon to become Issies contracted mage.

These are just my own thoughts, if something wrong. Feel free to point it out.

[ReaperxKingx]

About Team Vali. .. From my understanding

Vali and Kuroka(cat girl) would only be the ones on the most wanted list by the devils and Fallen angels. Vali could be be considered a traitor, but future acts had him assisting the 3way alliance. He and his group has had more independent goals. Azezel (respected in the Fallen angels) seems to be ok with him, he hasnt issue any orders to bring him in amung his sub-coordinates. Remeber they left the Choas begrade and have been looking for strong weapons/opponets.

Koruka is wanted by the devils for murder, she would definately not be approved if she was available for contract. She killed her master and the persuing guards and escaped capture and fled. Rias's group hasnt recieved any orders to capture Koruka as of yet, she is more or less under Valis protection at that. I recall Issie trying questioning her as to why she murdered. But she wouldnt say anything. Hinted she was pushed or treated cruely.

Monkey man seems to be persued by the other monkey men. Tho it appears they really an't serious about capturing him. It more or less looks like a grandfather trying to discipline his family more than anything.

For La Fey, it hasnt mentioned anything about crimes shes commited. Shes been apart of the Vali team who has assisted the 3-way alliance. Thats why I beleive there is no problem if she was called apon to become Issies contracted mage.

These are just my own thoughts, if something wrong. Feel free to point it out.

For Kuroka, her killing her master was an act of love and protecting for Koneko. Kuroka's master (not sure if it was Kuroka's playful meowing but she said he master name is Nekoshou, yeah Nekoshou what on earth is that name) was experimenting and forcing making his servants including his family to become stronger even if it meant overload or killing them. Her killing her master is justified. Though in the eyes of the High Class Society, it doesn't matter, if they were to allow it to slide it would be disastrous for the social classes. It would allowed the lower social classes to defy the High Class even if justified. So in short, even if you were a rapist, abusive, or evil scientist towards your servants it is all okay because you are a High Class Devil. Someone that is not a High Class Devil taking action for that kind of behavior is now an enemy and a kill order is place. Funny justice system in the Underworld isn't it? It pretty much means that High Class Devils can do anything they want and the High Class Class will protect their own even if the said High Class Devil is a monster even for Demon standards.

[kagato3]

About Team Vali. .. From my understanding

Vali and Kuroka(cat girl) would only be the ones on the most wanted list by the devils and Fallen angels. Vali could be be considered a traitor, but future acts had him assisting the 3way alliance. He and his group has had more independent goals. Azezel (respected in the Fallen angels) seems to be ok with him, he hasnt issue any orders to bring him in amung his sub-coordinates. Remeber they left the Choas begrade and have been looking for strong weapons/opponets.

Koruka is wanted by the devils for murder, she would definately not be approved if she was available for contract. She killed her master and the persuing guards and escaped capture and fled. Rias's group hasnt recieved any orders to capture Koruka as of yet, she is more or less under Valis protection at that. I recall Issie trying questioning her as to why she murdered. But she wouldnt say anything. Hinted she was pushed or treated cruely.

Monkey man seems to be persued by the other monkey men. Tho it appears they really an't serious about capturing him. It more or less looks like a grandfather trying to discipline his family more than anything.

For La Fey, it hasnt mentioned anything about crimes shes commited. Shes been apart of the Vali team who has assisted the 3-way alliance. Thats why I beleive there is no problem if she was called apon to become Issies contracted mage.

These are just my own thoughts, if something wrong. Feel free to point it out.

About Koruka, Issei already knows why she did it. her master was expeirimenting on his servents and had plans to do the same to Koneko only it would likely have killed or broken her.

As for if what he did was is ok or not it's debateable since we don't know if others knew what he was doing. There may have been other reasons they called off actively hunting her other then she tended to kill those that went after her.

[bodo]

In the case of Miyama Zero, he creates art for video games I think they are called Eroge and he been noted as one of the best. He also illustrate other Light Novels as well he it been hectic for him. He also creates art book for many other series.

So it is not hard for him to mess up, I just hope he fix it by vol 16. Ise does not have the muscle type of Sairaorg, but he is muscular. I would say a Light Middle to Middle Weight Mix Martial Artist without the Martial Arts, just the body type.

With the majestic talent that Zero-chan posses he could do the best art for the best ero games destined for ... blind people :frustrated:
Don't tell me no one observed the atrocities form the illustration with Issei, Ravel, Kuroka an Le Fay :confused:
Issei`s and Ravel`s neck is to long (reminds me of Rosario+Vampire II vol 9 cover :D), Ravel`s breast are too down position, and Kuroka looks like a monster,the neck is positioned too far back, the clavicle is positioned like :bash: ... not even a beginner would make that mistake, it`s like Kuroka is Igor`s daughter.
Zero-chan is doing DxD`s illustration from 2008 but he did not improved at all, and he lacks anatomy basics, and can not draw the same character identical twice ... he is just putting in a bad light this series with his mistakes.

[ReaperxKingx]

With the majestic talent that Zero-chan posses he could do the best art for the best ero games destined for ... blind people :frustrated:
Don't tell me no one observed the atrocities form the illustration with Issei, Ravel, Kuroka an Le Fay :confused:
Issei`s and Ravel`s neck is to long (reminds me of Rosario+Vampire II vol 9 cover :D), Ravel`s breast are too down position, and Kuroka looks like a monster,the neck is positioned too far back, the clavicle is positioned like :bash: ... not even a beginner would make that mistake, it`s like Kuroka is Igor`s daughter.
Zero-chan is doing DxD`s illustration from 2008 but he did not improved at all, and he lacks anatomy basics, and can not draw the same character identical twice ... he is just putting in a bad light this series with his mistakes.

Well, I never played an Eroge so I don't know how the art stacks up. I just read a lot of Light Novel and thus far, Miyama Zero is the best in my opinion.

[Somethindarker]

For Kuroka, her killing her master was an act of love and protecting for Koneko. Kuroka's master (not sure if it was Kuroka's playful meowing but she said he master name is Nekoshou, yeah Nekoshou what on earth is that name) was experimenting and forcing making his servants including his family to become stronger even if it meant overload or killing them. Her killing her master is justified. \

Nekoshou is breed of Youkai that Kuroka and Koneko are. The master chose Kuroka and Koneko because they are a stronger and rarer breedand can use different kinds of senjutsu, like comparing the common American Short-Hair to a Siberian. The master as of now is unnamed, but yea he was abusive and reckless with his experiments.

With the majestic talent that Zero-chan posses he could do the best art for the best ero games destined for ... blind people :frustrated:
Don't tell me no one observed the atrocities form the illustration with Issei, Ravel, Kuroka an Le Fay :confused:
Issei`s and Ravel`s neck is to long (reminds me of Rosario+Vampire II vol 9 cover :D), Ravel`s breast are too down position, and Kuroka looks like a monster,the neck is positioned too far back, the clavicle is positioned like :bash: ... not even a beginner would make that mistake, it`s like Kuroka is Igor`s daughter.
Zero-chan is doing DxD`s illustration from 2008 but he did not improved at all, and he lacks anatomy basics, and can not draw the same character identical twice ... he is just putting in a bad light this series with his mistakes.

I agree, don't get me wrong he's done some amazing artwork for this series but there have been some illustrations that have just irked me and make me go "WTF?".

[Shorya]

A little question here, what new is revealed in the latest volume?
new character? extension of story or is it a ss?

[Tchadnis]

A little question here, what new is revealed in the latest volume?
new character? extension of story or is it a ss?

If i remember right it suppose to be half SS , half , extension of story .. i think n0m@n said that a couples post back .. just too lazy to go back and look but i think what i am saying is right ..

[thelord3]

OK people do you actually read the novels or just skip through pages?
1. the monkey, also known as Bikou, is no longer pursued by his grandfather! he asked his grandfather to come help and take the poison out of Vali after he was injured against Samael.
2. I don't think that they are part of the Chaos Brigade anymore. the reason is that they are being pursued by the other factions. the reason for that is that Cao Cao told everyone that Vali kidnapped Ophis.
3. If Vali team is really being pursued by the other factions, wouldn't that include the devils? remember after Vali as poisoned against Samael, they stayed at the Gremory's Mansion in the underworld. why didn't Sirzechs arrest them then???
4. Has it been really confirmed in the novel that she is the one that Isse makes contract with? because if it hasn't and people are just speculating over the picture of Isse and Le Fay, then that is inaccurate. Is she not at the moment sort of living in the Isse mansion with kuroka? she said that she was going to help them with the contracts and now I think she is helping the team with magic.
5. Kuroka is naked in the picture with a shirtless Isse? it could mean many things! she has already been naked with Isse hen she cured Koneco's mating season problem. did he have sex with her? no. it could be just another funny/teasing scene.
P.S
I really can't wait for the new volume to be translated to English. does anyone know how long it usually take to translate the novel after the release on baka? thanks

[G147]

OK people do you actually read the novels or just skip through pages?
1. the monkey, also known as Bikou, is no longer pursued by his grandfather! he asked his grandfather to come help and take the poison out of Vali after he was injured against Samael.
2. I don't think that they are part of the Chaos Brigade anymore. the reason is that they are being pursued by the other factions. the reason for that is that Cao Cao told everyone that Vali kidnapped Ophis.
3. If Vali team is really being pursued by the other factions, wouldn't that include the devils? remember after Vali as poisoned against Samael, they stayed at the Gremory's Mansion in the underworld. why didn't Sirzechs arrest them then???
4. Has it been really confirmed in the novel that she is the one that Isse makes contract with? because if it hasn't and people are just speculating over the picture of Isse and Le Fay, then that is inaccurate. Is she not at the moment sort of living in the Isse mansion with kuroka? she said that she was going to help them with the contracts and now I think she is helping the team with magic.
5. Kuroka is naked in the picture with a shirtless Isse? it could mean many things! she has already been naked with Isse hen she cured Koneco's mating season problem. did he have sex with her? no. it could be just another funny/teasing scene.
P.S
I really can't wait for the new volume to be translated to English. does anyone know how long it usually take to translate the novel after the release on baka? thanks

[After hearing that a certain someone has shown himself within the castle, I was walking towards where he is. I also know the reason why that person came. Most likely to cure the curse “that person” has on himself. That room is located in the basement of the castle. –The Vali team is over there. After that incident, their leader Vali got put in an unfavourable condition so the head of Gremory decided to hide them after being asked by Sirzechs-sama and Azazel-sensei. Of course having the terrorists in the Gremory castle will be a very serious matter. Even so, it is true that they helped us……they helped Buchou. Hearing that, the head of the Gremory decided to take care of them temporarily.]

"Volume 12 Life -3"

[Somethindarker]

OK people do you actually read the novels or just skip through pages?
1. the monkey, also known as Bikou, is no longer pursued by his grandfather! he asked his grandfather to come help and take the poison out of Vali after he was injured against Samael.
2. I don't think that they are part of the Chaos Brigade anymore. the reason is that they are being pursued by the other factions. the reason for that is that Cao Cao told everyone that Vali kidnapped Ophis.
3. If Vali team is really being pursued by the other factions, wouldn't that include the devils? remember after Vali as poisoned against Samael, they stayed at the Gremory's Mansion in the underworld. why didn't Sirzechs arrest them then???
4. Has it been really confirmed in the novel that she is the one that Isse makes contract with? because if it hasn't and people are just speculating over the picture of Isse and Le Fay, then that is inaccurate. Is she not at the moment sort of living in the Isse mansion with kuroka? she said that she was going to help them with the contracts and now I think she is helping the team with magic.
5. Kuroka is naked in the picture with a shirtless Isse? it could mean many things! she has already been naked with Isse hen she cured Koneco's mating season problem. did he have sex with her? no. it could be just another funny/teasing scene.
P.S
I really can't wait for the new volume to be translated to English. does anyone know how long it usually take to translate the novel after the release on baka? thanks

The guy probably doing them comes here once in a while, he likes to take his time so he translates them well, so anywhere between one week to two weeks before we start seeing progress in the stories. Personally I's rather him take his time than rush it.

[kazzuya13]

Just finish watching the 2nd OVA. Kinda disappointing. They only advertise the Irina and Xenovia in the cut scene

[GDB]

Finally finished volume 12. Gotta say... I find myself bored with it. Very little feels like it's happened romantically or harem...ly?, considering how many volumes it's been (I know it's only been like 8 months at most in the story by this point, but volume-wise it's been pretty long). Deus ex machina keep happening to grant Issei power-ups, which is fine, but really repetitive.

And maybe I was expecting too much due to Zero no Tsukaima doing it so well, but Issei's "death" really had very little emotion felt from the characters.

I think part of the repetitiveness stems from fighting the same enemy for essentially the last 6 or so volumes. The Hero faction was not interesting enough to be the main antagonists for that long.

I don't know, maybe I just started to expect too much from the series after how good the first few volumes were.

[WILD_LION]

Finally finished volume 12. Gotta say... I find myself bored with it. Very little feels like it's happened romantically or harem...ly?, considering how many volumes it's been (I know it's only been like 8 months at most in the story by this point, but volume-wise it's been pretty long). Deus ex machina keep happening to grant Issei power-ups, which is fine, but really repetitive.

And maybe I was expecting too much due to Zero no Tsukaima doing it so well, but Issei's "death" really had very little emotion felt from the characters.

I think part of the repetitiveness stems from fighting the same enemy for essentially the last 6 or so volumes. The Hero faction was not interesting enough to be the main antagonists for that long.

I don't know, maybe I just started to expect too much from the series after how good the first few volumes were.

Maybe you don't know how to imagine the romantic emotions while you are reading, in the Volume 12, all the members of gremory team was emotionally devastated, Asia was reaching the point of suicide, Akeno lost his mind and hearth, Ravel and Koneko can not acepted it, and Rias, a princess who have all in her life was crying for 2 days non-stop with her eyes red and gaze lost in the void, declaring that a world without Ise is not important to her. To a princess that at the beginning was so proud of her name and family to become this state. I said that there are love.

The other members learned of this later, and kept the hope that Ise return with them no matter what.

[GDB]

Like I said, I was probably expecting more having read Zero no Tsukaima. The emotions in that when a similar thing happens are incredibly palpable, and Louise actually does try to commit suicide. Merely stating their current conditions doesn't do much for emotions. Especially Asia, who had all of one line and very little description of her condition.

I mean, when Asia "died", you could feel Issei's emotion. This time, I really couldn't.

[Endscape]

Like I said, I was probably expecting more having read Zero no Tsukaima. The emotions in that when a similar thing happens are incredibly palpable, and Louise actually does try to commit suicide. Merely stating their current conditions doesn't do much for emotions. Especially Asia, who had all of one line and very little description of her condition.

I mean, when Asia "died", you could feel Issei's emotion. This time, I really couldn't.

I can kind of get what you're saying in Akeno and Rias's case, since Barakiel and Sairaorg come in to help them pretty quickly. On the other hand, Kiba's reaction was extremely well done, I think.

[GDB]

Kiba's, yes (and Gasper's too, though it was more badass than emotional). But as Issei would say, "Spare me the guys!"

[ReaperxKingx]

Kiba's, yes (and Gasper's too, though it was more badass than emotional). But as Issei would say, "Spare me the guys!"

True, I also agree with you. I love this series, but volume 12 felt that it kind of lacked a bit of emotion. It was still a good volume nevertheless since it open new windows for the characters. I felt that Ise should have revive a volume later after 12. Vol 13, to be exact though it was a short story volume now but I felt should have been the continuation. The author thus far only done Kiba's narration a couple of times which I think kind of limited him towards the events to one volume. Now, he done a short story with Rias' narration. It should open new creativity for the author and safe to experiment since it was a short story, hope it translates to the main story. It looked like it will in Gasper chapter, I would be disappointed if the author decided to maintain just Kiba's narration during the whole time on Rias end, she should be the one narrating. Ise will also be on the other end working on the Chaos Brigade. Having the two main protagonist narrating would be very nice.

[WILD_LION]

I think the author had no other choice, the girls were out of reality, the narrator described how they felt the girls and said "I feel like or I understand the girls". but I think Rias, Asia and Akeno were the most affected.

[ReaperxKingx]

I think the author had no other choice, the girls were out of reality, the narrator described how they felt the girls and said "I feel like or I understand the girls". but I think Rias, Asia and Akeno were the most affected.

Well that is seeing it on the outside however. Yes, you could see what the death of Ise will cause for them. Though I think what GDB meant is really insight into the exact thoughts of each girl. Something like a life of a part of which the narration of what is going on is in the girls' point of view. Asia, Rias, Kiba, Azazel, and and obviously Ise are the only ones to have narrated the story.

[kagato3]

I think the big difference between when Asia "died" and when Ise "died" was The POV we were following of course you would get Ise's emotional state because He was the POV during that time. But with Ise's "death" Kiba is the POV first he is no where as hot blooded as Ise and I believe he might just be a little emotionally dead due to his past and even he is crushed. I think the descriptions convey just how soul crushing the event was to the rest of the group

[ReaperxKingx]

I think the big difference between when Asia "died" and when Ise "died" was The POV we were following of course you would get Ise's emotional state because He was the POV during that time. But with Ise's "death" Kiba is the POV first he is no where as hot blooded as Ise and I believe he might just be a little emotionally dead due to his past and even he is crushed. I think the descriptions convey just how soul crushing the event was to the rest of the group

Something like that. I think it has to do with what Ise has done for all the females in the group as well as the male comrades. It seems like just isolating Kiba's point of view seems quite poor when (not say he was not affect, he was, he was Ise's skinny pretty boy brother afterall) the females were the most affected as a whole.

When Asia died, Ise was mostly affect. The rest of the Gremory group did not have the connection with Asia like Ise did. They felt sad for the doll like fragile blond nun, but for Ise it was like losing a piece of himself, it was already deep in vol 1 the feelings of Ise and Asia. With Ise dying in vol 11, everyone was affected like that. The girls reaction were already displayed, but what I think what most readers would like is the feelings of the girls in their own point of view. Giving one point of view seems a bit well, like a short cut. It is still a good volume, you can't take that away, but I felt if the author included all the females' point of view than it would have been great or perfection.

[WILD_LION]

I think that the principal difference is that when Asia "died", Isse don't know anything about resurrection(I am talking search the soul and create a new body) and also at the begin of the series no one believe in the miracles, for that reason Isse explote fury for be a "Man", and when ise "died" all fell into depression for be "Girls", if we think it, the girls who know Isse "died" just could not bear it.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

The problem with Issei and Asia is simple when asia first comes into play she's a sister and issei is the only one who cares about her. Yes Vol 6 death of Asia is tough for everyone but that's more because of the way it happened I mean you go save her after all that and she vanishes like that.
Vol 12 was done poorly because first he just vanishes comes back with the pieces but the fact that he comes back and honestly the fact he needed to say Oppai just for them to realize it was him kinda ticked me off personally granted the way he came back was so theatrical it also kinda bored me to tears

[ReaperxKingx]

The problem with Issei and Asia is simple when asia first comes into play she's a sister and issei is the only one who cares about her. Yes Vol 6 death of Asia is tough for everyone but that's more because of the way it happened I mean you go save her after all that and she vanishes like that.
Vol 12 was done poorly because first he just vanishes comes back with the pieces but the fact that he comes back and honestly the fact he needed to say Oppai just for them to realize it was him kinda ticked me off personally granted the way he came back was so theatrical it also kinda bored me to tears

True, but lets give him some slack. Among the perverted authored light novels I read thus far, this man has literally revolutionize the uses of perverted action of a women's breasts. He is fairly young as well, think he is in his 30's so there is still a feeling of immaturity. It been a good volume and he looks to be improving very much. SO lets give him that, vol 12 is not poor nor great. Lets say decent or good, just need more improvement in character point of view.

[Somethindarker]

The author used Kiba because after Issei he's the only other masculine guy the girls could lean on. He needed to stay strong and help them any way he could, using the point of view of the girls would've just been like this;

Rias= Self loathing mixed with regrets for letting him stay. Crying.
Asia= Suicidal thoughts intermingled with pleading to god for help. More Crying.
Akeno= Blankness. Maybe a few scenes with Ise. Lotsa Crying.
Koneko = I admit would've been an interesting point of view, but nothing after she breaks down. Even more crying.
Ravel = Crying.

Would any of you really wanna be in the mind of a hysterically grieving girl, not me I've been around women when they're like this not fun or interesting? From a writing standpoint he was the only logical one to have the story follow. Him being a man the same as Issei but being powerless to comfort the girls was what made the story for me, he even states it multiple times, what would Issei do? The futileness of the story is what why I think some people don't like about most of volume 12 which just cinches the fact that Issei IS the teams heart, without him it breaks down. Sure the author isn't perfect and he kinda messed up the Issei return, but all in all the story wasn't bad nor was it outstanding just good.

[ReaperxKingx]

The author used Kiba because after Issei he's the only other masculine guy the girls could lean on. He needed to stay strong and help them any way he could, using the point of view of the girls would've just been like this;

Rias= Self loathing mixed with regrets for letting him stay. Crying.
Asia= Suicidal thoughts intermingled with pleading to god for help. More Crying.
Akeno= Blankness. Maybe a few scenes with Ise. Lotsa Crying.
Koneko = I admit would've been an interesting point of view, but nothing after she breaks down. Even more crying.
Ravel = Crying.

Would any of you really wanna be in the mind of a hysterically grieving girl, not me I've been around women when they're like this not fun or interesting? From a writing standpoint he was the only logical one to have the story follow. Him being a man the same as Issei but being powerless to comfort the girls was what made the story for me, he even states it multiple times, what would Issei do? The futileness of the story is what why I think some people don't like about most of volume 12 which just cinches the fact that Issei IS the teams heart, without him it breaks down. Sure the author isn't perfect and he kinda messed up the Issei return, but all in all the story wasn't bad nor was it outstanding just good.

So have I, not a pleasant feeling to be around but even when my girlfriend gets mad, I surely want to know what on Earth did I do wrong.

While, yes, there will be crying but it sure would be nice to know exactly how much Ise meant to these girls. Each of the girls in the harem has a traumatic experience that scarred them, many of whom felt rejected and already lived to the point where after not finding someone of the opposite sex to accept them and not judge them like the rest, they would have just suffered for a long time or the res of their lives. Then Ise pops in, for the girls one thought came into mind "he is a big pervert". After what he did for Rias, it changed into "a big pervert with a huge heart and will do everything in his power to fight no matter what odds". Then each of the girls had a glimpse of hope, thinking this one is different from the rest (we already know by now he is one of a kind). Vol 3 started with Akeno first to take action other than Asia and Rias to try to figure out Ise with *cough cough* sucking of the finger *cough*. After what Ise did for Kiba in the same volume, the thoughts that the girls had before grew stronger then hit the impact of vol 4 and 5 with the girls opening up their greatest fear and struggle to Ise thinking it may go south, instead Ise felt it was nothing much to worry about and accepted them. The thing what they were looking for a long time.

It would be nice to read those thoughts of the girls. Despite the anguish, moaning is when some completely opens their heart so it was the best situation to explore the female cast.

[kagato3]

It would be nice to read those thoughts of the girls. Despite the anguish, moaning is when some completely opens their heart so it was the best situation to explore the female cast.

At that point it was all anguish none of then were focusing on any of the good he did in the past and pretty much all but Koneko and Ravel were Psychologicaly broken and they weren't much better. I feel the chapter did very well in addressing their feelings. No one was hiding their feelings all there was was pain and an overwhelming sense of hopelessness.

[Tchadnis]

Although i do agree , Ise's "death" compared to Asia's "death" , can't be seen the same way , because of the POV of one and the "supposed" death of the other , i still think it was pretty much well done , after reading all the comment above , i think pretty much everybody pointed out what was missing or should have been done , but i think none of them were in a mental state able to be the support role in the volume 12 .. if i was the author Kiba would have come in second to me , first i would see either Azazel , which is the advisor for the Gremory or Sona , someone plus or less related/close to them and what going on in here , sure IF we could dive in the girls mind at this moment i'm sure the emotional impact would be greater but an outcast view still fit too , at least to show how devastated they are as a comparison of how they are usually..

[kazzuya13]

Although i do agree , Ise's "death" compared to Asia's "death" , can't be seen the same way , because of the POV of one and the "supposed" death of the other , i still think it was pretty much well done , after reading all the comment above , i think pretty much everybody pointed out what was missing or should have been done , but i think none of them were in a mental state able to be the support role in the volume 12 .. if i was the author Kiba would have come in second to me , first i would see either Azazel , which is the advisor for the Gremory or Sona , someone plus or less related/close to them and what going on in here , sure IF we could dive in the girls mind at this moment i'm sure the emotional impact would be greater but an outcast view still fit too , at least to show how devastated they are as a comparison of how they are usually..

I think Rias older brother will be good too and the same goes for Grayfia. In a way the couple knows the them better than anyone and they know just how important Isei is to them. Especially Sirzechs cause because he is the Maou he can't go as he please and is restrain because of the Netherworld crisis and can't even comport her own sister when she needs a shoulder to cry on. And have to no choice but to let others do it instead.

[Somethindarker]

I think Rias older brother will be good too and the same goes for Grayfia. In a way the couple knows the them better than anyone and they know just how important Isei is to them. Especially Sirzechs cause because he is the Maou he can't go as he please and is restrain because of the Netherworld crisis and can't even comport her own sister when she needs a shoulder to cry on. And have to no choice but to let others do it instead.

Narrating with Sirzechs or Grayfia, while being awesome, would spoil potentially the next couple of top secret events, meetings and goings on universe that we wouldn't have access to normally, I worded that weird I hope you guys understand what I'm trying to say I'm sick as a dog right now :(. Narrating with the current characters keeps us purposely in the dark progression wise.

[n0m@n]

Some happy info:
-Volume 16 will be released this year. (So the anime wont slow down the rate LN will be released. Unlike majority of LN that got animated....)
-Volume 17 will be Rossweisse volume if everything goes accordingly!! Finally, its my Ross-chan's time to shine!

[Somethindarker]

Some happy info:
-Volume 16 will be released this year. (So the anime wont slow down the rate LN will be released. Unlike majority of LN that got animated....)
-Volume 17 will be Rossweisse volume if everything goes accordingly!! Finally, its my Ross-chan's time to shine!

Thank you n0m@n, love Ross too, I can't wait! Ishibumi is a bro!

[Yami no Ou]

about Rossweisse's volume,will it discuss her past?

[DarkSkiper]

Some happy info:
-Volume 16 will be released this year. (So the anime wont slow down the rate LN will be released. Unlike majority of LN that got animated....)
-Volume 17 will be Rossweisse volume if everything goes accordingly!! Finally, its my Ross-chan's time to shine!

Good to hear.

Since it's a Rossweisse volume, does it mean that it will involve Asgard?

[trojan13ic]

cant wait for Ross-chans moments!

nyahaha!

[Chris38]

Some happy info:
-Volume 16 will be released this year. (So the anime wont slow down the rate LN will be released. Unlike majority of LN that got animated....)
-Volume 17 will be Rossweisse volume if everything goes accordingly!! Finally, its my Ross-chan's time to shine!

Nice, thanks n0m@n. So, after Gasper it's finally Rossweisse's time to get some development ... most likely a change in her relationship with Ise + some more details about her past ... yeah, I can't wait to see it, as well ... since, it should be pretty interesting.

[Valky]

I hope it involves the reason why Rossweisse is so "economically-efficicent".

Btw, about Le Fay becoming Ise's witch, it sounds good but I guess we need a trigger for it to happen. But what? Arthur in danger?

[darkofficer]

The reason that rossweis is economically-efficicent" is because she sends all her money to her grandma who raised her it was in volume 14

[JAGI_X]

Hell yeah now is Ross-chan's( 100 yen Valkyrie) time to shine!

[ReaperxKingx]

Took 10 volumes in total for her to get a chance. Rossweisse take the spot light in vol 17. Considering almost all the girls and possibly Kiba in the Gremory are part of Ise's harem, it was only a matter of time. Question is, will we meet Thor in volume 17 along with Valhalla and the other Valkyries.

[Somethindarker]

Took 10 volumes in total for her to get a chance. Rossweisse take the spot light in vol 17. Considering almost all the girls and possibly Kiba in the Gremory are part of Ise's harem, it was only a matter of time. Question is, will we meet Thor in volume 17 along with Valhalla and the other Valkyries.

Not a possibility, he is in Isseis harem.

[WILD_LION]

Took 10 volumes in total for her to get a chance. Rossweisse take the spot light in vol 17. Considering almost all the girls and possibly Kiba in the Gremory are part of Ise's harem, it was only a matter of time. Question is, will we meet Thor in volume 17 along with Valhalla and the other Valkyries.

Kiba is not part of issei harem, The author confirmed us that he is best friend, I took that from the afterword of volume 11. Read it yourself.
"No I mean best friend! But Ise who is even more popular than the good-looking guy……."

[Ultragunner]

Yeah, but do you also realize that the author himself stumbled on his own words

But Kiba is part of Ise’s harem…… No I mean best friend! But Ise who is even more popular than the good-looking guy…….

LOL, well that meant to be somewhat a joke so LOL :heh:

[G147]

Took 10 volumes in total for her to get a chance. Rossweisse take the spot light in vol 17. Considering almost all the girls and possibly Kiba in the Gremory are part of Ise's harem, it was only a matter of time. Question is, will we meet Thor in volume 17 along with Valhalla and the other Valkyries.

Actually Ross is getting a better treatment if you compare her to Xenovia who was a main cast since Volume 3 and still doesn't have a Volume dedicated to her.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Actually Ross is getting a better treatment if you compare her to Xenovia who was a main cast since Volume 3 and still doesn't have a Volume dedicated to her.

I disagree since really xenovia doesn't strike me as an interesting backstory Irina perhaps since she's issei's childhood friend but that's it.
t as far as moments xenovia has had more since her introduction then asia koneko ross and ravel combined and arguably as many as akeno and rias.

[Somethindarker]

Kiba is not part of issei harem, The author confirmed us that he is best friend, I took that from the afterword of volume 11. Read it yourself.
"No I mean best friend! But Ise who is even more popular than the good-looking guy……."

LoL that was a tongue in cheek reference confirming his status in the harem.

But Kiba is part of Ise’s harem…… No I mean best friend! But Ise who is even more popular than the good-looking guy…….

It was a play on words like a joke to say that Kiba is in the harem. He is Isseis best friend but also part of his harem. You can deny it all you want but anyone who understands what the author is playing at with that joke knows better. Gasper is in the harem too, the evidence supporting both of them is overwhelming.

Also High School DxD isn't the first light novel, manga or anime that has had a male or two in a harem. "Parasistence Sana" is one I can think of off the top of my head that's done it before.

[waffler]

havnt read this for a while how strong is ise did he ever get a power up after vol 13?

[Somethindarker]

havnt read this for a while how strong is ise did he ever get a power up after vol 13?

Yup. Issei is easily between top 25-40 in the power rankings. He didn't get any real power ups but he learned how to use Ryuuteimaru(his familiar) better.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Yup. Issei is easily between top 25-40 in the power rankings. He didn't get any real power ups but he learned how to use Ryuuteimaru(his familiar) better.

I wouldn't say that quite yet after all we don't know what the High class devils can do quite yet.

[Somethindarker]

I wouldn't say that quite yet after all we don't know what the High class devils can do quite yet.

Quite true. I agree I was just over-estimating a bit but from what I've seen so far I'm comfortable with that placement.

[WILD_LION]

LoL that was a tongue in cheek reference confirming his status in the harem.



It was a play on words like a joke to say that Kiba is in the harem. He is Isseis best friend but also part of his harem. You can deny it all you want but anyone who understands what the author is playing at with that joke knows better. Gasper is in the harem too, the evidence supporting both of them is overwhelming.

Also High School DxD isn't the first light novel, manga or anime that has had a male or two in a harem. "Parasistence Sana" is one I can think of off the top of my head that's done it before.

Stop of talk about kiba and gasper are members of harem, they are not, even they are out of Hyoudou Residence, for that reason, The only way that I see they are near of Issei is because he saved them, the same do as Rias(In the past), Rias and Issei saved them, and they see Issei as the husband of Rias and second in command(for now), for that reason they want to return the favor by being loyal, is the same as Sirzechs Lucifer and the loyal of his servants.

They are not in the harem, they are friends, even the author not spoke of that is his blog:
http://ishibumi.exblog.jp/

And Issei is the MAN who protects the Woman.

And in my conclusion, Rias and the girls never will accept it.

[rickiminato]

who is more strong vali o issei?

[Chris38]

who is more strong vali o issei?

Definitely Ise, although Vali might have the advantage at the moment... but after Ise "awakens" the power of Great Red and Ophis from within his new body, he definitely will be capable of surpassing Vali.

[XFire]

who is more strong vali o issei?

Vali by a long shot. Ise has an incomplete version of a "safe" Juggernaut Drive (True-Queen). Vali has a Super Juggernaut Drive that is also "safe". Also there is an enormous gap between their base stats. That being said, in their only fight so far Ise took Vali's arrogant head and shoved it firmly up his pompous ass. Vali was forced into a situation where he actually considered using the still-unsafe JD.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

who is more strong vali o issei?

Clearly its vali he may not have the body but the fact is he's not only controlled juggernaut drive but has upgraded it. and even issei admits after vali does imperio juggernaut overdrive vali is far stronger.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Vali by a long shot. Ise has an incomplete version of a "safe" Juggernaut Drive (True-Queen). Vali has a Super Juggernaut Drive that is also "safe". Also there is an enormous gap between their base stats. That being said, in their only fight so far Ise took Vali's arrogant head and shoved it firmly up his pompous ass. Vali was forced into a situation where he actually considered using the still-unsafe JD.

In their first fight issei got enraged because he joked of cutting off rias's breasts and vali wasn't serious during that fight also keep in mind in the volume before vali demolished kokabiel who the whole gremory group could barely lay a scratch on that includes issei

[Chris38]

At the current moment Vali might seem stronger, but I think we shouldn't forget something:

Ise is the son of Great Red and Ophis, two of the most powerful beings in the DxD universe, while Vali is just the son of the old Maou and a human.

In terms of "origins" or their background, to me Ise has already surpassed Vali, and while his True Queen might not be as strong as Vali's Super Juggernaut Drive, let's not forget that Ise still hasn't finished his development ... after all, he hasn't even awakened the powers of Great Red and Ophis or the power he has stolen from Vali, during their first fight ... in other words he can get stronger, while in Vali's case ... I don't think that he can awaken any new techniques ... unless they are new magic spells, but in terms of "physical abilities" the only thing that he can probably do, is master the techniques that he has already obtained.

Basically, I would say that Ise's potential strength is going to be much higher then Vali's when we reach the end of this series.

[ReaperxKingx]

who is more strong vali o issei?

Vali is currently more powerful, though for how long is a question. Vali had the benefits of being trained by Azazel since he was a child. Azazel, already looking like the weakest among the leaders of the faction made up with it by strategy and training his troops. Vali has that benefit and then some. Ise, he has eclipse only at least 6 months in age as a Devil. Considering the time gap, Vali has the better training, fighting experience, and sacred gear experience and was taught properly by Azazel.

Ise is not far behind, he may become more powerful than Vali soon if his rate of improvement is still going as it is. Vali had more time to perfect his new Juggernaut form while Ise just got it like 2 weeks ago. Clear difference there and Vali has already been trained to use his massive Demonic magical powers from his heritage by Azazel. Ise still doesn't have his body stabilize to figure out what he gotten from Ophis and Great Red.

[bludvein]

The fight with Cao Cao shows the decisive difference between the two. Ise struggled and couldn't win with his normal tactics, while Cao Cao outright says he doesn't stand a chance against Vali.

Ise has more maximum potential, but his current strength still has a ways to go. He needs to at least master CCQ and something extra before I would say they were even. Vali has been able to use an instant BB that could last for months since the beginning. Not to mention having years of experience and training. Plus being one of the best magic users out of all the devils.

[XFire]

In their first fight issei got enraged because he joked of cutting off rias's breasts and vali wasn't serious during that fight also keep in mind in the volume before vali demolished kokabiel who the whole gremory group could barely lay a scratch on that includes issei

Ise wasn't in Balance Breaker during the Kokabiel fight.

And Ise shattered Vali's helmet, overloaded his wings, broke his armor, knocked him out of the sky, and actually overpowered him for a while. Hence Vali did his RaepFaceGrin (tm) and wanted to go JD.

Keep in mind that Vali is a fighting maniac. He'd have loved to keep punching each other in the face if they were equal. Ise suddenly passed him in power, so he drew his trump.

[waffler]

so ise is actually a genius and have a lot of potential?! lololol i wonder how strong he will be in a year :D

[II Maestro]

Vali is definitely stronger with his Empireo Juggernaut Over Drive, But Ise isn't losing because he has a strange way of getting stronger thanks to Switch Princess.

[Yami no Ou]

in terms of talent and demonic powers Vali is far superior than Issei but thanks to being reborn from Great Red's flesh and Ophis power I think he can be on par with Vali now in terms of pure power

[Somethindarker]

Stop of talk about kiba and gasper are members of harem, they are not, even they are out of Hyoudou Residence, for that reason, The only way that I see they are near of Issei is because he saved them, the same do as Rias(In the past), Rias and Issei saved them, and they see Issei as the husband of Rias and second in command(for now), for that reason they want to return the favor by being loyal, is the same as Sirzechs Lucifer and the loyal of his servants.

They are not in the harem, they are friends, even the author not spoke of that is his blog:
http://ishibumi.exblog.jp/

And Issei is the MAN who protects the Woman.

And in my conclusion, Rias and the girls never will accept it.

The evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. Sure they are loyal to Issei just like he is loyal to them, but for everyone in the group it's Rias > Issei hands down. Just because he didn't mention that in his blog doesn't change the fact that the author all but confirmed Kiba being in the harem in the afterwords. You can cherry pick all you want but what he said in the blog to us native english speakers, and some well read non-native ones, know the truth behind his carefull chosen words. It doesn't matter whether the girls accept it or not they very rarely accept what the other girls do, much less who is else joins the harem. Reading the novels and short stories there are many hints and situations that show Kiba is attracted to Issei, even Gasper. Here are just a few examples.
The Dragon-Flu short story.
Kiba wanted to go on a date with Issei.
He's been making lunches for Issei to eat.
Has asked him to eat lunch with him alone more than once.
Started giving Issei "intense stares".
... and probably the most damning of evidence;
While sending those 3 off in the wave of people, Rias mumbled the following.

“I want to cheer for Tsubaki. I feel she’s quite a good match for Yuuto.”

Kiba and Shinra-senpai, huh. I don’t know at all what would happen but, I feel like it would be relieving if Kiba has a proper girlfriend.

That guys is always calm with that smiling face however, sometimes looking at him, he gives a dangerously sharp face. The heat of it makes me wonder that he may be the hottest while sleeping within all of us family.

……..Wait, why am I worrying so earnestly about the handsome guy? It’s probably unnecessary concern on my part, haven’t I become dull for me to start worrying about him!

Uh! I will moderately cheer on for Kiba! Rather, let’s cheer for Shinra-senpai more! Somehow, it’s a bit contradictory, but let’s go with that!

And thus, we part ways with Kiba and company, and continue walking towards the next store.

This shows that Kiba has been giving him "sharp faces" and the line afterwards shows Issei is thinking about Kiba sexually, although even he doesn't know it.

You can believe what you want but the evidence is right there although in around-a-bout way.

who is more strong vali o issei?

Right now Vali by a looooooong shot. Although him being the "kin" of Ophis and Great Red as of now he has alot of potential for growth, Vali is more about skill while Issei is all about potential.

[bludvein]

That's pretty much bull. Ise isn't some kind of closet bi just because he calls Kiba handsome. He has done that since the start and there was never any such connotation.

Rather, Ise is enthusiastically straight. There is no "evidence" otherwise.

[Ultragunner]

well, there's always the gender switching machine, the author can just have it used and then BANG => Ise have more members in his harem :heh:, this is unlikely but come on, isn't that interesting haha

[Somethindarker]

That's pretty much bull. Ise isn't some kind of closet bi just because he calls Kiba handsome. He has done that since the start and there was never any such connotation.

Rather, Ise is enthusiastically straight. There is no "evidence" otherwise.

LoL I was just joking about that part, Issei is straight as hell a blind man can see that, doesn't change the fact that Kiba is in the harem. Fun to think that Kiba is rubbing off on him and making him think about stuff like that though.

well, there's always the gender switching machine, the author can just have it used and then BANG => Ise have more members in his harem :heh:, this is unlikely but come on, isn't that interesting haha

Haha true. Kiba probably won't be in the official harem at the end, but he's still in the harem in the anime sense.

[sky black swordman]

The evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. Sure they are loyal to Issei just like he is loyal to them, but for everyone in the group it's Rias > Issei hands down. First, let me say that if I'm interpreting this wrong or misunderstood this, then I'm sorry.
But in terms of loyalty Akeno (honestly she is a bit of a question mark) , Kiba, Koneko, Ross, and Gasper are a bit loyal to Rias than Issei. However, the same can't be said for Xenovia and Asia. Despite both being servants to and being seen as family by Rias, those 2 are more loyal to Issei than Rias.

[whitecloud]

if ise want to be stronger ise need to learn rentanjutsu....THEN ise will be trully invinsible....no woman will be able to defeat ise in his range of touch

[Yami no Ou]

well its true that Xenovia and Asia is more loyal to Issei than Rias,they said it themselves that if Issei becomes independent in the future they will accompany him

[Somethindarker]

First, let me say that if I'm interpreting this wrong or misunderstood this, then I'm sorry.
But in terms of loyalty Akeno (honestly she is a bit of a question mark) , Kiba, Koneko, Ross, and Gasper are a bit loyal to Rias than Issei. However, the same can't be said for Xenovia and Asia. Despite both being servants to and being seen as family by Rias, those 2 are more loyal to Issei than Rias.

well its true that Xenovia and Asia is more loyal to Issei than Rias,they said it themselves that if Issei becomes independent in the future they will accompany him

Ok, you guys are misunderstanding something. This isn't a discussion on whether who prefers who more, we all know that everyone is in love or will be in love with Issei. It's the [Dragon Swag]. Case closed. What I was getting at was the fact that all members will do what Rias sais over Issei at any given time, aside from playful arguing or objections, they all know Rias is the leader and hold her loyalty above everyone else. Yes. Even Issei said that "if anyone were to choose him over Rias in a battle or rating game HE'D be mad".

Just because a couple of them want to go with Issei when he goes independent doesn't mean they still won't have some sort of loyalty towards Rias. Kind of like a filial or paternal bond but different is what I imagine. There is loyal respect that Rias commands and romantic loyalty which the girls have with Issei.

Seriously, Issei is alpha as f*ck. Not only does he have his entire group pursuing him romantically he's even got some in other groups and factions wanting some of his [Dragon Swag]. Color me jealous.


if ise want to be stronger ise need to learn rentanjutsu....THEN ise will be trully invinsible....no woman will be able to defeat ise in his range of touch

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z186/My_Broken_Heart86/Martin%20Freeman%20Gifs/what_zpsf68b0001.gif (http://media.photobucket.com/user/My_Broken_Heart86/media/Martin%20Freeman%20Gifs/what_zpsf68b0001.gif.html)

[WILD_LION]

The evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. Sure they are loyal to Issei just like he is loyal to them, but for everyone in the group it's Rias > Issei hands down. Just because he didn't mention that in his blog doesn't change the fact that the author all but confirmed Kiba being in the harem in the afterwords. You can cherry pick all you want but what he said in the blog to us native english speakers, and some well read non-native ones, know the truth behind his carefull chosen words. It doesn't matter whether the girls accept it or not they very rarely accept what the other girls do, much less who is else joins the harem. Reading the novels and short stories there are many hints and situations that show Kiba is attracted to Issei, even Gasper. Here are just a few examples.
The Dragon-Flu short story.
Kiba wanted to go on a date with Issei.
He's been making lunches for Issei to eat.
Has asked him to eat lunch with him alone more than once.
Started giving Issei "intense stares".
... and probably the most damning of evidence;


This shows that Kiba has been giving him "sharp faces" and the line afterwards shows Issei is thinking about Kiba sexually, although even he doesn't know it.

You can believe what you want but the evidence is right there although in around-a-bout way.



Right now Vali by a looooooong shot. Although him being the "kin" of Ophis and Great Red as of now he has alot of potential for growth, Vali is more about skill while Issei is all about potential.

I am sorry, but i see other thing, I see Issei trying to help Kiba with Tsubaki Shinra to find love while had strange thoughts about the actions of his friend in SS.

The only 8 actual members recognised are:
Akeno Himejima
Asia Argento
Irina Shidou
Koneko Toujou
Ophis
Ravel Phenex
Rias Gremory
Xenovia

Like I said, the girls never will let it.

The author just write it for comedy scenes, maybe if you see that you say you are that class of man.

[WILD_LION]

Moving on, What do you think about Le Fay?

[Somethindarker]

I am sorry, but i see other thing, I see Issei trying to help Kiba with Tsubaki Shinra to find love while had strange thoughts about the actions of his friend in SS.

The only 8 actual members recognised are:
Akeno Himejima
Asia Argento
Irina Shidou
Koneko Toujou
Ophis
Ravel Phenex
Rias Gremory
Xenovia

Like I said, the girls never will let it.

The author just write it for comedy scenes, maybe if you see that you say you are that class of man.


Moving on, What do you think about Le Fay?


That's about the only thing that makes sense on your post, you are willing to accept Ophis as part of his harem who has shown absolutely no interest in Issei romantically and yet you see Kiba have many moments Issei himself acknowledges are romantic advances. You my friend are grasping at straws with Ophis and yet so quick to dismiss the evidence with Kiba. You haven't tried to disprove any of my claims and just say "the girls won't approve" and cherry pick an author comment which proves the point. Yea good idea move on, we're done here.

I see LaFey being his contractor, maybe some flirting. But that's about it. For some reason she doesn't strike me as a character with too much depth yet so I'll hold my opinion on her for now.

edit; Now I've never said that Kiba or Gasper will actually be lovers or husbands to Issei by the end. The chances of that are, and I'm being generous here, probably 1% or less. Being a member of a harem means they have to harbor romantic interests or feelings for the main character and actively pursue them so... from an story perspective both of them are in his harem.

[GrrDraxin]

if ise want to be stronger ise need to learn rentanjutsu....THEN ise will be trully invinsible....no woman will be able to defeat ise in his range of touch

Uhm, what is this "rentanjutsu"? I looked it up, and it may be part of the alchemy system of FMA. Isse is no alchemist, and I don't think those even exist in DxD, and even if they did, we don't know of any... friends or foes. Please elaborate.

[Somethindarker]

Uhm, what is this "rentanjutsu"? I looked it up, and it may be part of the alchemy system of FMA. Isse is no alchemist, and I don't think those even exist in DxD, and even if they did, we don't know of any... friends or foes. Please elaborate.

xD Dude I think he was either messing with us or was an inside joke so deep he's the only one that got it.

[ReaperxKingx]

xD Dude I think he was either messing with us or was an inside joke so deep he's the only one that got it.

Full Metal Alchemist, that should be give you a bit of a clue.

[WILD_LION]

That's about the only thing that makes sense on your post, you are willing to accept Ophis as part of his harem who has shown absolutely no interest in Issei romantically and yet you see Kiba have many moments Issei himself acknowledges are romantic advances. You my friend are grasping at straws with Ophis and yet so quick to dismiss the evidence with Kiba. You haven't tried to disprove any of my claims and just say "the girls won't approve" and cherry pick an author comment which proves the point. Yea good idea move on, we're done here.

I see LaFey being his contractor, maybe some flirting. But that's about it. For some reason she doesn't strike me as a character with too much depth yet so I'll hold my opinion on her for now.

edit; Now I've never said that Kiba or Gasper will actually be lovers or husbands to Issei by the end. The chances of that are, and I'm being generous here, probably 1% or less. Being a member of a harem means they have to harbor romantic interests or feelings for the main character and actively pursue them so... from an story perspective both of them are in his harem.

For me, every member inside the Issei harem is a future recognized wife for each fraction, that is the reason i only see kiba and gasper as friends, and about ophis, because due to her actions, it is actually possible that Ophis harbors some sort of emotions towards Issei. This is only implied when Issei death, the date with Issei and Rias is mentioned, where even Ophis seemed willing to go on a date with Issei. And take the place of Koneko to sit over Issei, This may even show that she may see the other members of the group as rivals. However, there isn't much to go on with only those factors. But i expect she will has her own arc in the future.

About Le Fay, I think that she will has an important role in the future.

[Chris38]

^

Regarding Ophis, even if she does have some emotions for Ise, it doesn't reduce the two squick factors that this paring involves:

1.) That she is the "mother" of Ise's current body, due to being involved in his resurrection - meaning that, if Ise develops some romantic relationship with Ophis, it would be something similar to incest.

2.) She's ... genderless ... and there is nothing preventing her, to suddenly transform her form, into a man ... like she did before.

Regarding Le Fay, personally I don't see her having any super important roles, considering how many main characters still need some development (she's ... at the very least a secondary character)

She might have some more scenes, in the arc that involves the magician fraction, but that's pretty much the only thing that I see her doing, when it comes to the main plot of the story.

[GrrDraxin]

xD Dude I think he was either messing with us or was an inside joke so deep he's the only one that got it.Unless it's not actually related to FMA...

Full Metal Alchemist, that should be give you a bit of a clue.

I've never gotten into the series so the clues are useless. Besides, I can't think of anything it would do to benefit Ise, unless it's to learn something to get girls so horny they would jump(if you know what I mean, tee hee) any nearby male they can grab hold of. Otherwise, Ise has pretty much all that stuff covered. Though a technique that incapacitates an opponent in the throws of pleasure instead of writhing in pain seems like the next logical step for him in those techniques.

[Voceane]

It's seems that the cover on BT for the Normal edition is wrong

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SCN9mOjswps/UcmTqwZewMI/AAAAAAAAChg/WbFfQAFUnuQ/s1600/zatf.jpg

[ReaperxKingx]

It's seems that the cover on BT for the Normal edition is wrong

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SCN9mOjswps/UcmTqwZewMI/AAAAAAAAChg/WbFfQAFUnuQ/s1600/zatf.jpg

Little Akeno, she is so cute.

[Chris38]

It's seems that the cover on BT for the Normal edition is wrong

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SCN9mOjswps/UcmTqwZewMI/AAAAAAAAChg/WbFfQAFUnuQ/s1600/zatf.jpg

Nope, since each of the recent volumes of Highschool DxD contains an outside cover (the one posted on BT) and a inside cover, which is the one you posted.

Here's the proof ... this is the inside cover of volume 14:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130129022127/highschooldxd/images/thumb/c/c9/DxD14colorillustration1_zpsdbe74092.jpg/585px-DxD14colorillustration1_zpsdbe74092.jpg

Apart from that, it's a pretty nice picture.

[blade82]

someone said that only a girl on the book cover will be in Ise's harem then what about the vol.15 with the Sitri sister

[WILD_LION]

^

Regarding Ophis, even if she does have some emotions for Ise, it doesn't reduce the two squick factors that this paring involves:

1.) That she is the "mother" of Ise's current body, due to being involved in his resurrection - meaning that, if Ise develops some romantic relationship with Ophis, it would be something similar to incest.

2.) She's ... genderless ... and there is nothing preventing her, to suddenly transform her form, into a man ... like she did before.

Regarding Le Fay, personally I don't see her having any super important roles, considering how many main characters still need some development (she's ... at the very least a secondary character)

She might have some more scenes, in the arc that involves the magician fraction, but that's pretty much the only thing that I see her doing, when it comes to the main plot of the story.


Ophis gave her power to Issei wake up, not her blood and body(It is from True Dragon)

In this moments, I see ophis as a entity(no gender, not is man and not is woman) ophis just changes appearance, but by the personality and aspect they decide see Ophis as a woman who dont know anything about emotions or feelings, but it start to learning, going with Issei everywhere.

Maybe with a DxD miracle Issei makes Ophis a complete Woman, touching ophis oppai making big it at the same time. jajajajaj, it is just an idea.

[WILD_LION]

someone said that only a girl on the book cover will be in Ise's harem then what about the vol.15 with the Sitri sister

The author said it, i dont remember where but he said it.
About Sona, the author said that he also will begin to concentrate in the subheroines, i mean Sona, Le Fay and Kuroka. Maybe this 3 girls will begin to create feelings for Issei.....

[ReaperxKingx]

someone said that only a girl on the book cover will be in Ise's harem then what about the vol.15 with the Sitri sister

If that is true, Gremory and Sitri clan will have a big conflict in their hands. The politics of the High Class Devil will be in Chaos, if is it isn't already. Ise pretty much turns heads already up there since vol 2.

[Somethindarker]

@Wild_Lion I agree. He won't be romantically linked or anything. But when taking a step back from the story he is considered part of the harem. Ophis looks at Issei like he's part of her kin, she follows him around because he's familiar to her and is her first friend. Ophis is constantly going with the flow on anything, she went with Rias and Issei to the mall not because she wanted to buy underwear and day to day items but because she goes with the flow. Don't know why people are sayin Ophis is going to have another arc, the ones due an arc are Ravel(vol.12-14), Gasper, Xenovia, Irina and Rossweisse(Vol.16-17). For the next 8-10 volumes Ophis is gonna be put in the back burner character development wise.

@ blade82 Yea, I don't think the author cares anymore about the cover girls being in his harem, Ophis was on the cover and she's confirmed friend-zoned/mascotted since her arc ended.

[WILD_LION]

@Wild_Lion I agree. He won't be romantically linked or anything. But when taking a step back from the story he is considered part of the harem. Ophis looks at Issei like he's part of her kin, she follows him around because he's familiar to her and is her first friend. Ophis is constantly going with the flow on anything, she went with Rias and Issei to the mall not because she wanted to buy underwear and day to day items but because she goes with the flow. Don't know why people are sayin Ophis is going to have another arc, the ones due an arc are Ravel(vol.12-14), Gasper, Xenovia, Irina and Rossweisse(Vol.16-17). For the next 8-10 volumes Ophis is gonna be put in the back burner character development wise.

@ blade82 Yea, I don't think the author cares anymore about the cover girls being in his harem, Ophis was on the cover and she's confirmed friend-zoned/mascotted since her arc ended.

For me ophis will will have an important role in the future VOLS, because her STOLEN power will be so important in the future.

[Somethindarker]

For me ophis will will have an important role in the future VOLS, because her STOLEN power will be so important in the future.

Maybe, but then again who knows if the power will be used for a clone or as a power up for the new leader of KB. Personally I don't think the power will be given back, the author likes her as a mascot and I doubt a full powered Ophis will be allowed to live by the 3 factions. We'll see the author has changed his mind in the past so maybe Ophis will get some screen time in the future. Nothing is impossible.

[blade82]

Ophis can give it to Ise and Vali maybe

[Chris38]

Ophis can give it to Ise and Vali maybe

Doubt that something like that is going to happen. In the first place, if Ophis had managed to gain control over her stolen power ... she would most likely take it, to regain her former strength (since, she feels weak, at her current level of power).

In the first place, it depends on what kind of form, her stolen power is going to take, if it would be absorbed by someone from the Khaos Brigade then I doubt that she would be capable of regaining it - not to mention, we honestly don't know if the method used to steal this power from Ophis, hadn't some kind of side effect, that would prevent the original user from absorbing it.

[XFire]

Ophis can give it to Ise and Vali maybe

Ophis: I, don't want it. I, will give it to the Heavenly Dragons.

Ise/Vali:.....Eh?

*Power-Up Theme Music*

[WILD_LION]

For me the power of Ophis is inside the Evil Dragons. And i think that she will recover it after issei defeat that evil dragons.

[Kirihara_R]

someone said that only a girl on the book cover will be in Ise's harem then what about the vol.15 with the Sitri sister

um looks like there's a misunderstanding .. the author only said that there planning to put the girls (like grayfia , serafall , sona , kuroka and le-fay ) as the cover for the vol because the'y running out of option..

[Chris38]

For me the power of Ophis is inside the Evil Dragons. And i think that she will recover it after issei defeat that evil dragons.

While, there is a possibility of that ... it's also possible that this power has been spent, in other words used up, during the resurrection spell (which, in my opinion, might require quite a lot of power to be successful).

Finally, there is also the fact that with her full power revived, she might not be permitted to say in Ise's house anymore ... since even in her weakened state, there have been many seals placed on her, before she was allowed to live in Ise's house.

“She was someone who was a boss of the terrorists. Even if she came to our side, it would be bad if people in the Underworld found out about it. That’s why we had many seals placed on her to have her , the power of a dragon which is a bit strong . Well, the fact is that God-class were not subjected to be reincarnated using the evil-pieces. It seemed like it was possible for half-Gods like Valkyries though.”

[Endscape]

For me the power of Ophis is inside the Evil Dragons. And i think that she will recover it after issei defeat that evil dragons.

I figured that it was the Sephiroth Graal that was being used on the Evil Dragons. The situations seem the same.

[Yye1]

So vol 17 is rossweisse, that's awesome, hopefully 16 will focus on xenovia or irina

[Chris38]

So vol 17 is rossweisse, that's awesome, hopefully 16 will focus on xenovia or irina

If I remember correctly, it was nOm@n who said that volume 16 is going to focus on Gasper. While, it doesn't prevent some other girl from Ise's harem to have some slight development, but it will probably be only some minor developments.

[sky black swordman]

If I remember correctly, it was nOm@n who said that volume 16 is going to focus on Gasper. While, it doesn't prevent some other girl from Ise's harem to have some slight development, but it will probably be only some minor developments.

I hope that Irina gets some development, I really what to know more about her past with Issei and the "promise" he made her.

[Yye1]

^ hmm I'm pretty sure that will come up, or Ishibumi would have misplayed the childhood friend card

[slidingk1]

Money that the promise is the cliche we will marry when we get older one.

[ReaperxKingx]

Money that the promise is the cliche we will marry when we get older one.

Most likely, but even if it is. The outcome will not be cliche especially with the girls in this series.

[sky black swordman]

^ Yeah, honestly I wonder how Rias wil take the news if that turns out to be the case.

[Endscape]

Honestly I thought that was just a lie she made up to go with the flow, not an actual thing.

[XFire]

^ Yeah, honestly I wonder how Rias wil take the news if that turns out to be the case.

Probably something along the lines of "Even if that's true, he's my Ise now".

[ReaperxKingx]

You know, I am have been meaning to ask. Who would you guys place as the best cook in Ise's harem? Make a ranking if you want.

[sky black swordman]

Probably something along the lines of "Even if that's true, he's my Ise now". It's either this or she makes a big deal out of it.

You know, I am have been meaning to ask. Who would you guys place as the best cook in Ise's harem? Make a ranking if you want.Well based on Issei's description and internal dialogue about their cooking:

Akeno (Another reason I have her at number 1 is that according to Rias, Issei praises her cooking more than her's)
Rias
Asia
Ross
Ravel
Koneko
Irina and Xenovia

I'd probably put Kiba either above Asia or Ross and Gasper is tied with Irina and Xenovia.

[ReaperxKingx]

It's either this or she makes a big deal out of it.

Well based on Issei's description and internal dialogue about their cooking:

Akeno
Rias
Asia
Ross
Ravel
Koneko
Irina and Xenovia

I'd probably put Kiba either above Asia or Ross and Gasper is tied with Irina and Xenovia.

My list would consist of

- Asia
- Akeno
- Rias
- Rossweisse
- Ravel
- Koneko
- Xenovia
- Irina




1) Asia is first on my list because she is the closest girl to get the secret taste of the Hyoudou family. Asia been traveling for sometime, I believe she must be the one who taught Rias and Akeno how to make European and Chinese dishes in the household. Asia had a rough life, she most likely learn a lot of cooking styles and cuisines. It has been acknowledge by Ise that Asia has something special in her cooking.

2) Akeno is said to have a maternal feel of cooking. In American terms, a comfort feeling like a Thanksgiving kind of feel. Considering that Akeno's background, she probably helped in the kitchen with her mother. Even when she became a Devil, she was a low class Devil though I am sure that Rias will ensure her royal cooks will provide Akeno a good meal. Somehow I feel that Akeno prefers to cook on her own even then. She isn't too much into tradition or into culture, so she is more tolerant to try out different style of cooking.

3) Rias is a good cook. Ise already voice that he is grateful to be alive to eat her cooking. Despite Rias saying she don't want to be pampered, she was most likely was when she was young so I feel that her Royal cooks prepared most of her meals when she was young. Rias love Japanese cultures, so she is probably the top Chef when it comes to Japanese food than Asia or Akeno. Due to her deep love for Japanese culture, I think she would struggle to trying out new style of culture food in particular when you consider the culture difference. For example, Japanese cooking usually consist of Seafood, Soy sauce, regional herbs, rice, and of course noodles while European consist of dairy, olive oil, breads, pasta, potatoes, and cattle and often time lamb. I find these differences a bit too much for Rias to adapt so quickly, but she will excel if given time.

4) Rossweisse, her cooking haven't been mentioned a lot but show signs of great interest. She hinted that she cooks the cuisine native to Valhalla, primarily most likely European. Considering the level of details and her serving Odin, her boss and God, she must have a considerable or decent level of cooking skills. She also adapts her recipes to fit the need or consideration for her eaters, in particular Ise during volume 13, life 3, part 2 she made a nutritional biscuit type of food and added sugar to allow Ise to down it easier. She may be the biggest expert when it comes to European cuisine, even more so than Kiba I believe.

5) Ravel, her skills of lunch and dinner haven't been noted so it is unknown. Her only skills that been revealed is her skills of breakfast and desserts. Well to precise, the pancakes she made during volume 13, life 4, part 4 is her only breakfast item. Still, pancakes is an old American classic and she was able to make great ones base on Ise's response to them. She shown adaptability when she made those pancakes despite the limited ingredients. She could probably make amazing Belgium Waffles. For dessert, okay, if no one knows how good she is with desserts than you have not been truly reading. Its been noted that Ravel when she was young and part of Raiser's group she would cook desserts as a passion. Sweets and desserts is most likely the hardest to cook because one must balance the level of sweetness of the cuisine and its one of the types of cuisine where you will not be let off the hook if overcooked.

6) Koneko, is kind of blank. Not much is known about her cooking. Though she is shown to try anything to elevate her standing in the harem since her body isn't at the point where Ise desires it. Knowing that, she would most likely not try to compete with Rias, Akeno, Asia, Ravel, and Rossweisse in cuisines they excel at knowing she can't surpass them. Its been known she loved snacks and tasty convenient food. If I had to pick what type of cuisine that Koneko would excel at, it would be American cuisine. Too many types of variations to count so here are links to get the full scoop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_New_England
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_the_Midwestern_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_the_Southern_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_the_Western_United_States

7 and 8) Sigh, nothing to be said. They got the energy for it, but just don't see it happening.

[Somethindarker]

My list would consist of

- Asia
- Akeno
- Rias
- Rossweisse
- Ravel
- Koneko
- Xenovia
- Irina




1) Asia is first on my list because she is the closest girl to get the secret taste of the Hyoudou family. Asia been traveling for sometime, I believe she must be the one who taught Rias and Akeno how to make European and Chinese dishes in the household. Asia had a rough life, she most likely learn a lot of cooking styles and cuisines. It has been acknowledge by Ise that Asia has something special in her cooking.

2) Akeno is said to have a maternal feel of cooking. In American terms, a comfort feeling like a Thanksgiving kind of feel. Considering that Akeno's background, she probably helped in the kitchen with her mother. Even when she became a Devil, she was a low class Devil though I am sure that Rias will ensure her royal cooks will provide Akeno a good meal. Somehow I feel that Akeno prefers to cook on her own even then. She isn't too much into tradition or into culture, so she is more tolerant to try out different style of cooking.

3) Rias is a good cook. Ise already voice that he is grateful to be alive to eat her cooking. Despite Rias saying she don't want to be pampered, she was most likely was when she was young so I feel that her Royal cooks prepared most of her meals when she was young. Rias love Japanese cultures, so she is probably the top Chef when it comes to Japanese food than Asia or Akeno. Due to her deep love for Japanese culture, I think she would struggle to trying out new style of culture food in particular when you consider the culture difference. For example, Japanese cooking usually consist of Seafood, Soy sauce, regional herbs, rice, and of course noodles while European consist of dairy, olive oil, breads, pasta, potatoes, and cattle and often time lamb. I find these differences a bit too much for Rias to adapt so quickly, but she will excel if given time.

4) Rossweisse, her cooking haven't been mentioned a lot but show signs of great interest. She hinted that she cooks the cuisine native to Valhalla, primarily most likely European. Considering the level of details and her serving Odin, her boss and God, she must have a considerable or decent level of cooking skills. She also adapts her recipes to fit the need or consideration for her eaters, in particular Ise during volume 13, life 3, part 2 she made a nutritional biscuit type of food and added sugar to allow Ise to down it easier. She may be the biggest expert when it comes to European cuisine, even more so than Kiba I believe.

5) Ravel, her skills of lunch and dinner haven't been noted so it is unknown. Her only skills that been revealed is her skills of breakfast and desserts. Well to precise, the pancakes she made during volume 13, life 4, part 4 is her only breakfast item. Still, pancakes is an old American classic and she was able to make great ones base on Ise's response to them. She shown adaptability when she made those pancakes despite the limited ingredients. She could probably make amazing Belgium Waffles. For dessert, okay, if no one knows how good she is with desserts than you have not been truly reading. Its been noted that Ravel when she was young and part of Raiser's group she would cook desserts as a passion. Sweets and desserts is most likely the hardest to cook because one must balance the level of sweetness of the cuisine and its one of the types of cuisine where you will not be let off the hook if overcooked.

6) Koneko, is kind of blank. Not much is known about her cooking. Though she is shown to try anything to elevate her standing in the harem since her body isn't at the point where Ise desires it. Knowing that, she would most likely not try to compete with Rias, Akeno, Asia, Ravel, and Rossweisse in cuisines they excel at knowing she can't surpass them. Its been known she loved snacks and tasty convenient food. If I had to pick what type of cuisine that Koneko would excel at, it would be American cuisine. Too many types of variations to count so here are links to get the full scoop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_New_England
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_the_Midwestern_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_the_Southern_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_the_Western_United_States

7 and 8) Sigh, nothing to be said. They got the energy for it, but just don't see it happening.


Wow.... Just wow. Amazing attention to detail.
But here's my changes.
1)Akeno
2)Asia
3)Rias

The rest of the list is pretty much the same as yours. Granted the difference in cooking is not much miniscule to be exact but you can't deny that Akeko gets the most praise, while Asia was deemed a successor to the Hyoudou taste and Rias is has the [First Wife] perk.

[WILD_LION]

For me, this is the list:

- Asia
- Akeno
- Rias
- Ravel
- Rossweisse
- Koneko
- Xenovia
- Irina

[ReaperxKingx]

My list would consist of

- Asia
- Akeno
- Rias
- Rossweisse
- Ravel
- Koneko
- Xenovia
- Irina




1) Asia is first on my list because she is the closest girl to get the secret taste of the Hyoudou family. Asia been traveling for sometime, I believe she must be the one who taught Rias and Akeno how to make European and Chinese dishes in the household. Asia had a rough life, she most likely learn a lot of cooking styles and cuisines. It has been acknowledge by Ise that Asia has something special in her cooking.

2) Akeno is said to have a maternal feel of cooking. In American terms, a comfort feeling like a Thanksgiving kind of feel. Considering that Akeno's background, she probably helped in the kitchen with her mother. Even when she became a Devil, she was a low class Devil though I am sure that Rias will ensure her royal cooks will provide Akeno a good meal. Somehow I feel that Akeno prefers to cook on her own even then. She isn't too much into tradition or into culture, so she is more tolerant to try out different style of cooking.

3) Rias is a good cook. Ise already voice that he is grateful to be alive to eat her cooking. Despite Rias saying she don't want to be pampered, she was most likely was when she was young so I feel that her Royal cooks prepared most of her meals when she was young. Rias love Japanese cultures, so she is probably the top Chef when it comes to Japanese food than Asia or Akeno. Due to her deep love for Japanese culture, I think she would struggle to trying out new style of culture food in particular when you consider the culture difference. For example, Japanese cooking usually consist of Seafood, Soy sauce, regional herbs, rice, and of course noodles while European consist of dairy, olive oil, breads, pasta, potatoes, and cattle and often time lamb. I find these differences a bit too much for Rias to adapt so quickly, but she will excel if given time.

4) Rossweisse, her cooking haven't been mentioned a lot but show signs of great interest. She hinted that she cooks the cuisine native to Valhalla, primarily most likely European. Considering the level of details and her serving Odin, her boss and God, she must have a considerable or decent level of cooking skills. She also adapts her recipes to fit the need or consideration for her eaters, in particular Ise during volume 13, life 3, part 2 she made a nutritional biscuit type of food and added sugar to allow Ise to down it easier. She may be the biggest expert when it comes to European cuisine, even more so than Kiba I believe.

5) Ravel, her skills of lunch and dinner haven't been noted so it is unknown. Her only skills that been revealed is her skills of breakfast and desserts. Well to precise, the pancakes she made during volume 13, life 4, part 4 is her only breakfast item. Still, pancakes is an old American classic and she was able to make great ones base on Ise's response to them. She shown adaptability when she made those pancakes despite the limited ingredients. She could probably make amazing Belgium Waffles. For dessert, okay, if no one knows how good she is with desserts than you have not been truly reading. Its been noted that Ravel when she was young and part of Raiser's group she would cook desserts as a passion. Sweets and desserts is most likely the hardest to cook because one must balance the level of sweetness of the cuisine and its one of the types of cuisine where you will not be let off the hook if overcooked.

6) Koneko, is kind of blank. Not much is known about her cooking. Though she is shown to try anything to elevate her standing in the harem since her body isn't at the point where Ise desires it. Knowing that, she would most likely not try to compete with Rias, Akeno, Asia, Ravel, and Rossweisse in cuisines they excel at knowing she can't surpass them. Its been known she loved snacks and tasty convenient food. If I had to pick what type of cuisine that Koneko would excel at, it would be American cuisine. Too many types of variations to count so here are links to get the full scoop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_New_England
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_the_Midwestern_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_the_Southern_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisine_of_the_Western_United_States

7 and 8) Sigh, nothing to be said. They got the energy for it, but just don't see it happening.

For me, this is the list:

- Asia
- Akeno
- Rias
- Ravel
- Rossweisse
- Koneko
- Xenovia
- Irina


Same as my list except for Ravel and Rossweisse, care to give details of each ranking my friend?

[WILD_LION]

Same as my list except for Ravel and Rossweisse, care to give details of each ranking my friend?

Because i am also considering the deserts of Ravel and her royal cook training as a princess like Rias, She even can cook desserts during her brother training with natural ingredients.

And we dont know so much of Rossweisse, Issei even said that she spoke like a farm girl, when talk on the phone, we do not know how is her cook for Issei tastes yet. We need to wait.

[n0m@n]

A new figure of DxD .....Again.
http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIGURE-000675&page=top%2Fsearch%2Flist%3Fs_originaltitle%3DHigh+ School+D+x+D%24pagemax%3D30%24getcnt%3D0%24pagecnt %3D1

Can anyone tell me why the figures so far has been mostly bad:heh:? I mean in terms of how their face looks.

[Somethindarker]

The newest translation for vol. 15 is out! Not gonna link, saving the honor for the translator.

[Drkz]

A new figure of DxD .....Again.
http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIGURE-000675&page=top%2Fsearch%2Flist%3Fs_originaltitle%3DHigh+ School+D+x+D%24pagemax%3D30%24getcnt%3D0%24pagecnt %3D1

Can anyone tell me why the figures so far has been mostly bad:heh:? I mean in terms of how their face looks.

Perfect for the baba-con within

Cause orchid seed wasn't hired to make one...:uhoh: too busy making Hyakka ones :eyespin:. Go get Total Eclipse one! Better than wasting money on a fail of a ending for a game... :frustrated:.

Speaking of characters.... MIYAMA WHEN YOU DRAWING THE OPPAI GODDESS?! :heh:

[GrrDraxin]

Speaking of characters.... MIYAMA WHEN YOU DRAWING THE OPPAI GODDESS?! :heh:

How do you know it's a "she"?

[XFire]

How do you know it's a "she"?

Because "Goddess" generally refers to a female?

[cyberdemon]

Because "Goddess" generally refers to a female?

unless "she's" like mil-tan

[II Maestro]

^Please don't let Chichigami-sama turn out to be the same as Mil-tan Nyoh~! My heart won't be able to bear it if the goddess of breast is a muscle builder.

[Valky]

Off topic a little .

DxD apparently got itself an "erotic battle adventure game", lol. It's for n3ds only though.

I guess it means it's popular enough to get itself a game, I hope it will be a good sign of hope to get another season for the anime .. I wanna see volume 10 animated so bad.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2013-07-03/high-school-dxd-inspires-3ds-erotic-battle-adventure-game

[n0m@n]

Nice a game.
Btw has 3ds gotten cheaper? I will buy it if its cheaper than before.
If I remember correctly, we need to buy a Japanese 3ds to play Japanese game right?

[Algester]

Nice a game.
Btw has 3ds gotten cheaper? I will buy it if its cheaper than before.
If I remember correctly, we need to buy a Japanese 3ds to play Japanese game right?
yes unless your a pirate then flash carts can lift that restriction... still I'm not yet complacent with today's 3ds flash cart tech

[Valky]

Yeah, n3ds games are region-locked. Unlike psp or vita. Too bad though, I hope they made it for Vita/Psp too, since I don't have n3ds.

[II Maestro]

^That's right! I too don't have a nintendo 3ds. Ugh ... How I wish there's a psp game of DxD.

[Valky]

Life.1 done by n0m@n. You can read it at his blog.

[II Maestro]

There are short stories in this volume though I'm looking forward to Vali & Albion's story, Poor dragon. I wonder if Albion ends up just like Draig becoming a baby dragon because of Oppai Dragon. :D

[Jettskie]

Thanks for the update in your blog, n0m@n. Nice chapter. I think Albion suffers after becoming butt dragon. :D

[Shorya]

Life.1 done by n0m@n. You can read it at his blog.

ummm where ??

[DarkSkiper]

ummm where ??

Here (http://shincodezeroblog.wordpress.com/highschooldxd/storyarc4/volume15/)


Mil-tan... The deadliest Magical Girl in the universe.

[II Maestro]

Looks like Leviathan has her eyes on Mil-tan and wants to scout Mil-tan since she has a spare evil-pieces.

Milt-tan sure is awesome in many ways, He was able to fight the Khaos Brigade Magician with his fist.

[slidingk1]

Unless she has a mutated Rook, laying around I don't know if she can get Mil-Tan. But seeing that happen would make my eyes bleed oh so wrong yet so right for Levi-tan to have such a servant.

[sky black swordman]

Unless she has a mutated Rook, laying around I don't know if she can get Mil-Tan. But seeing that happen would make my eyes bleed oh so wrong yet so right for Levi-tan to have such a servant.

Not really, don't forget that she is a Maou. So her unused ‘Evil-Pieces are more than enough to make ....."IT" her servant. :heh:

[Valky]

Yup, the unused piece is growing alongside the owner.

It's just .. disturbing to see "that" as one of Maou's squad ... Well, since Leviathan is in a way an entertainer in the underworld, I just hope the kids from the underworld don't get shocked too much when they see "that" on tv.

[Chris38]

Well, I hope that it was just a joke, and the author won't seriously consider making "THAT" as a servant of the Maou.

After all, considering what kind of power "THAT" has as a human, it's ... pretty frightening to think what "THAT" would be capable of as a Devil... :twitch:

[Valky]

I guess we have another "He who must not be named" besides voldemort. lol

[whitecloud]

i dont think you guys have read mahou shoujo pretty bell...huh? you will see mil-tan

[cyberdemon]

I guess we have another "He who must not be named" besides voldemort. lol

I think even Voldemort would be scared of him

[G147]

http://bookwalker.jp/ex/sp/dd_fullcolor/

A Full Color Edition of the High School DxD Light Novel and Manga will be released.

[GrrDraxin]

Now that will be interesting. The LNs especially.

[setsuna86]

I always want to know, who among this three is the stronger : Michael, Azazel or Sirzechs?

[Somethindarker]

I always want to know, who among this three is the stronger : Michael, Azazel or Sirzechs?

Sirzechs as of now has been revealed to have his destruction form, so far he's the strongest. But we don't know what Micheal or Azazel is fully capable of because they haven't really been gone all out or revealed their true forms.

[peinmaximus@]

guys you,think that ddraig in his true form is stronger than michael,azazel and sirzechs?
I think that in the past ddraig was in the top 4 of the world.

[Chris38]

guys you,think that ddraig in his true form is stronger than michael,azazel and sirzechs?
I think that in the past ddraig was in the top 4 of the world.

I don't think that Ddraig in his "true form" would be more powerful then Sirzechs in his "true form".

Although, I agree that Michael and Azazel are most likely weaker then him.

As for the ranking, don't forget about the existence of Hindu mythology guys, who are left unmentioned due to being the author's "last resources" ... and it has been said by the author that they are quite high in the ranking ...

Personally, I don't think that Ddraig, in his original form, is that high, in the ranking ... but he definitely isn't lower then the top ten.

[Vezon]

Does Michael having control of the "system" basically make more powerful than a maou devil? Since he controls how much pain a devil gets by getting hit by their light spears and all.

[Chris38]

Does Michael having control of the "system" basically make more powerful than a maou devil? Since he controls how much pain a devil gets by getting hit by their light spears and all.

It has been mentioned that he doesn't have full control of the "system", which is why he couldn't allow Asia with her "Twilight Healing" and Xenovia who is aware that God is dead, to stay in the church.

He can only cause some minor changes in how the "system" works, which doesn't make him, that powerful, in my opinion, at least.

[XFire]

I don't think that Ddraig in his "true form" would be more powerful then Sirzechs in his "true form".

Although, I agree that Michael and Azazel are most likely weaker then him.

As for the ranking, don't forget about the existence of Hindu mythology guys, who are left unmentioned due to being the author's "last resources" ... and it has been said by the author that they are quite high in the ranking ...

Personally, I don't think that Ddraig, in his original form, is that high, in the ranking ... but he definitely isn't lower then the top ten.

Sirzechs in "destruction form" has ten times the power of the Old Maou. This seems like a lot, but remember that Shalba was supposed to be stronger than the Old Maou, and Ise kicked his ass. While he might be in the high God-tier, I don't think Sirzechs is at the top. Ddraig was.

[Soji]

Sirzechs in "destruction form" has ten times the power of the Old Maou. This seems like a lot, but remember that Shalba was supposed to be stronger than the Old Maou, and Ise kicked his ass. While he might be in the high God-tier, I don't think Sirzechs is at the top. Ddraig was.

True. But you have to remember that Isse activated JD , the first time and for that reason he was not in control.
And the second time he have Cardinal Crimson Queen , that and If I recall right Shalba was weaker that is former self thanks his meeting with Isse in JD mode:heh:

Also , Sirzechs true form/ Human-Shaped Power of Destruction was strong enough that only him change in that form was enough to scare Hades.:heh:

[GundamFan]

guys you,think that ddraig in his true form is stronger than michael,azazel and sirzechs?
I think that in the past ddraig was in the top 4 of the world.

Well know his power in his original form was strong enough to kill gods so I'd say he'd have a descent shot a lot of it would probably depend on what additional abilities he might have the full extent of powers the others posses.

[XFire]

True. But you have to remember that Isse activated JD , the first time and for that reason he was not in control.
And the second time he have Cardinal Crimson Queen , that and If I recall right Shalba was weaker that is former self thanks his meeting with Isse in JD mode:heh:

Also , Sirzechs true form/ Human-Shaped Power of Destruction was strong enough that only him change in that form was enough to scare Hades.:heh:

Yes. But Juggernaut Drive was incomplete, and Vali commented that the real thing would have been infinitely worse.

And I don't think Hades is that strong of a god. While he is certainly dangerous he comes off as the same as Loki, a lower god who happens to have some absurdly powerful weapons (Fenrir or Samael).

But again, even with his increase in power, Sirzechs still isn't stronger than Indra, who was below Ddraig in the original rankings.

Something most people seem to be forgetting here is that it took the combined power of all three Bible Factions to take down the Heavenly Dragons. Not all three leaders, all three factions. And the Bible factions were still on the verge of defeat anyway.

[Kirihara_R]

Guys remember the afterword of volume 13 the top 10 strongest is already written there...and sirzech and ajuka will also be in the top ranks if they're serious , though its a bit unexpected the two heavenly dragon are not included in the top 10