Aquarion EVOL - Episode 26 [End] Discussion / Poll [Archive]

monir

2012-06-24, 04:38

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Destined_Fate

2012-06-24, 04:43

Today is the day to see if they can do the impossible in one episode. If they fail than we can at least hope for an OVA that might cut all the bloat and put in much needed fixes. Though I fear they would turn Zessica into Reika if they did an OVA.

NoemiChan

2012-06-24, 04:50

My hope is always there... The 12,000 year old promise should never be extended again...

OMG_Zerg_Rush

2012-06-24, 05:08

I'm bracing for the worse but hopeing for the best

NoemiChan

2012-06-24, 05:15

I bet a good ending with pairings of Amata x Mikono and Andy x Mix (female).

kuromitsu

2012-06-24, 06:41

I probably won't be able to watch this ep today (work :/ ), but seeing that there's nothing the finale can do to fix my overall issues with the show, I'd just like to leave this pre-finale evaluation here before the thread descends into madness. :heh: I'll of course revise it if needed, after I watch the ep.

So, in the end, Evol has been an increasingly aggravating ride, but a fun one, nevertheless. It didn't exactly turn out to be what I signed up for, unfortunately not in a good way, but there was still plenty of stuff to enjoy about it, even though the show's issues made the taste turn increasingly sour. As for said issues... I think all of them can traced back to one source: the writing in this show is among the worst I've ever seen. I can't believe anyone *cough*Okada*cough* got paid for this. (Oh, the individual episodes are mostly fine on their own - it's the whole picture that suffers.) I don't know if it was because they wanted to do something unique and unconventional and botched it, or simply because the head writer was incapable of handling a cast this large, but it's not like something suddenly "went wrong" somewhere, the problems were present as early as the first cour, they just got worse with time.

I'm a very character-centric viewer, so for me the biggest disappointment of the show were AMZK, who were handled in an incredibly shitty way. All four of them are characters who had good potential that got horribly wasted, all of them got shafted one way or another, and while I'm sure most people will think of Zessica at this point, for me the biggest victims here are Amata and Mikono. Amata is the textbook example of What Not To Do With Your Protagonist, and Mikono of How Not To Handle Your Heroine. Sure, destroying Zessica and devolving her into a pile of mess with her entire personality revolving exclusively about her ~love~ for some guy was horrible, and the blatant, in-your-face way they went about making her the woobie of the show for some reason didn't help at all. Kagura was ridiculously underutilized, at this point he's just a walking plot device. Still, Zessica at least received attention and push, and Kagura has enough quirks that he can still get by. Amata and Mikono, however, got very much out of focus in the second cour, which hurt all the more since they're both character types that need to be worked on, and after all the stuff that happened some insight into their thought processes or focus on them and/or their relationship would've been very important. Even individually they got the short end of the stick - they both had bursts of doing something of importance after which they sort of faded out of focus instead of staying there, and especially poor Amata got undermined almost every single time he was about to do anything. I'm very disappointed about this, because I still like these two very much, I still think they're cute and sweet, and for that matter I still prefer them to be together.

The secondary characters were just fine (Shrade, oh Shrade!), and I wouldn't have any problems with them if it wasn't partly because of giving them development that the actual main charas got shafted. I mean, I like Andy and Mix fine, but the last two episodes shouldn't waste time focusing on their issues when there's all the main plot/chara issues to sort out! Ehh.

Characters aside, the other big issue was basically the very artificial writing that turned all characters into plot devices in some way. Again, this is not something I would've expected from the names in the staff (at least not to this extent). Foregoing natural interaction and not letting the characters have certain conversations, ignoring certain things for a long time until bringing them up was convenient, giving something a big last-minute push just because they couldn't have been assed to start developing it earlier, all in order to make the plot work... really, really bad writing that hurt the characters and the story.

As for the plot, I never expected anything sensible so I would've been fine with anything as long as it was handled reasonably well, but-- well, the whole Apollo=dog retcon was one of the stupidest ideas I've ever seen. If it was really Okada who insisted on it she deserves a kick in the butt, and Kawamori and Yamamoto as well, for actually going along with it.

On the visual side I have few complaints, but... :heh: While I really like the different designs for guys and girls, it would've been nice if they had been uniformized a little. It's not very jarring, but it does make me go "weh" when we see guys and girls from the side and their profiles look like they're from different shows. Add to this ALL. THAT. REUSED. FOOTAGE. :frustrated: from Genesis, and you've got something that irritates me to no end. I was mostly okay with them reusing the Genesis soundtracks, but if you're going to reuse footage then at least get the same color palette and the same character designer you had for the previous show, for heaven's sake! I'm probably the only person who is bothered about this, but argh, so cheap, so amateurish!

Anyway, with all these complaints I still managed to enjoy the episodes, which was mostly due to the characters, and the whole thing being entertaining despite the huge flaws. And of course there's Mykage who became one of my favorite villains of all time. I latched onto him because he was pretty and reminded me of Touma (and I'm shallow), but he turned out to be very entertaining, not in the least because of the amount of fun Nakamura Yuuichi seems to be having with him. And while we're on the topic of seiyuu, a special mention goes to Fujiwara Keiji. I don't know if Fudou Zen would've worked so well with anyone else, but I'm very happy that they got Fujiwara for this role. (OK, I'm probably biased because he's one of my favorite seiyuu, but still.)

And I've had some good fun in this subforum, well, until the overall nature of the discussion took a turn into a direction that I don't find fun at all. I suppose it was inevitable, but still, I'm not happy about it. Oh well, remember the good times, etc.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-24, 07:05

I bet a good ending with pairings of Amata x Mikono and Andy x Mix (female).

You imply that first pairing is a good ending.:rolleyes:

NoemiChan

2012-06-24, 07:08

You imply that first pairing is a good ending.:rolleyes:

What would be your bet then?:heh:

kuromitsu

2012-06-24, 07:09

You imply that first pairing is a good ending.:rolleyes:
Some of us actually like it. GASP, SHOCK, etc. :rolleyes:

Triple_R

2012-06-24, 07:28

I'm probably in the minority here, but I honestly hope MIXY doesn't magically get her Big Bangs back.

I think it would be more impressive/powerful if Andy had to actually stick to his guns, and keep loving the flat-chested futanari (because that's basically what MIXY is now, lol) beyond the initial excitement stage of simply getting to reunite with the person he fell in love with. Plus, I have to admit I'd find it funny if Andy goes the entire anime without ever getting to be with an actual girl. :heh:

OMG_Zerg_Rush

2012-06-24, 07:32

NoemiChan

2012-06-24, 07:34

I guess I'll exempt Mix though I'm not a fan of yaoi... Knowing she/he was a girl from the past and still at heart at present.... ok!!! But I still hope she'll get her bangs back....:heh:

Destined_Fate

2012-06-24, 07:35

A good ending would be Amata and Mikono not getting together. They have done nothing to deserve it, no reason they should be allowed to step on everyone's birthday cakes than having the chance to eat all their ice cream without sharing. Mykage killing them all and becoming a god of a newly recreated world would be a much better ending. Though sadly it'll most likely be the horrible Amata and Mikono end, so bad ending for EVOL it is than.

Some of us actually like it. GASP, SHOCK, etc. :rolleyes:

It was cute early on but it has been derailed by the writers for over 20 episodes. Them getting together suddenly and being allowed to be happy after all the stuff they pulled that has resulted in massive suffering from everyone else would be a bad ending.:eyespin:

kuromitsu

2012-06-24, 07:40

^

........riiight.

There's no point in getting into an argument about this, so let's just agree to disagree on this point. :rolleyes:

Triple_R

2012-06-24, 07:40

I guess I'll exempt Mix though I'm not a fan of yaoi... Knowing she/he was a girl from the past and still at heart at present.... ok!!! But I still hope she'll get her bangs back....:heh:

Honestly, I think your bet is right.

They're probably going to reward Andy's patience and steadfast love of MIX(Y) by having her regain her big bangs.

I would just find the alternative more... daring. More bold. But either way, Andy/MIX(Y) has been handled very well, and Andy/MIX(Y)'s big moment last episode won't be tarnished even if MIX(Y) gets her big bangs back.

On Amata/Mikono - They either get their happy end, or Mikono sacrifices herself to bring the two worlds back together. That's my bet anyway. The only thing that would totally shock me is if Amata dies.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-24, 07:41

Eh, I'm not going to bother arguing. The Series has said enough on its own over how badly railroaded that train has been that it has missed its stop ages ago but hasn't figured it out yet.

Radik

2012-06-24, 08:05

The only reason I'm watching this is to see what happens to Zessica. The show failed to make me really care about any of the other characters, Mikono in particular.

genjo sanzo

2012-06-24, 08:06

Will we see a kiss between Fudou and Zessikage? I think so, at least this time!

bakAnki

2012-06-24, 08:08

Even if Amata does get Mikono, there still Shushu to cockblock him, so..... XD
I'm a happy ending fan so naturally I want the main hero-heroine pair get together in the end (Amata and Mikono IS the main pair, right? Right? XD), as well as Andy and Mix(without the Y >,<).

But I do think the story is went downhill even though I still manage to enjoy it. I like the first half with academy life with MOTW format better, so I'm hoping there will be spin-off/side-story manga focusing on that part, kinda like Gurren Lagann high school spin-off :heh:

tsunade666

2012-06-24, 08:13

I'm prepared for the worst/best troll ending ever. Though I probably won't even want to watch it and yet I want to see it end. This series brought me lots of confusing feeling from hate to like which is totally not the norm for a series I watch from the start till the end.

miketyson

2012-06-24, 09:02

Sheesh, you guys know how to make me worry the finale was moved way earlier and I somehow didn't get the memo.

Candyshark

2012-06-24, 09:08

KaguraxMikonoXAmata trio had my eyes rolling for quite a while. Throw them in meatgrinder for all I care. Just give Zessica some peace. It is really tragic that something that should be a romantic love story is nothing but gimmick tragedy.

tsunade666

2012-06-24, 09:14

gimmick tragedy? more like play for laughs. The story is pretty good but it turn into something to laugh about. A promise that last 12000 to 24000 years then go crushing down the drain. All the feelings feels force and unreal for me except for the few which ended up either turn into a boy or got screwed up bad by the writer that in the end she will never have happiness. This reminds me of "where though art shoe"

miketyson

2012-06-24, 09:38

And to add into the fun: I expect something that's supposed to be a "twist", but if it actually feels like a surprising twist I'll be pleasantly surprised. Doubly so if it feels like a *good* twist.

OMG_Zerg_Rush

2012-06-24, 09:46

The twist shall be.....there is no twist

miketyson

2012-06-24, 09:54

OMG_Zerg_Rush: yeah, exactly, at this point that'd be the biggest twist of all...who'd see that coming, really?

mayumi

2012-06-24, 10:20

The final episode that will end zessica's suffering. Atleast do it classily. As for the rest not a f@#$ was given.

GoldenLand

2012-06-24, 10:39

Aaah I was avoiding this topic for no reason. Spoilers aren't out yet after all. Ah well, I said most of what I wanted to back in what I just posted on the ep 25 thread.

*Switches to an EVOL avatar in honour of the finale. Still regrets a little that we didn't get a Zessica = Apollo and Zessica/Mikono romance ending.*

So, in the end, Evol has been an increasingly aggravating ride...

*snip*

I agree with quite a lot of what you said, with exceptions for the plot twists, which I loved. Much as I like Andy and MIX and how their plot went, I agree that the resolution should not have been left to the penultimate episode.

The writing had serious problems, but I still had loads of fun watching this series.

Shinji103

2012-06-24, 10:47

My bet is that Mikono will FINALLY graduate from being the useless Damsel in Distress to the Damsel in Distress who manages to help save the day in the end. (not that that's a real improvement for Kawamori, since that's also a pre-used schtick) She'll probably help seperate Mykage from Zessica, but there's no way in heck it'll be anything actually combat-related. Kawamori seems to have a stigma against females actually being combat pilots who influence the plot or story through combat like any of the male pilots.......

Actually, that tends to go for anime as a whole. Outside of Magical Girl animes or animes where pretty much the entire pilot cast is female anyway, that is. :rolleyes:

At least that rareness adds to the Glory of Haman Kahn. :bow:

raziel12

2012-06-24, 11:12

will the roxas and sora route happen between amata and kagura i really hope not

Winged_Memories

2012-06-24, 11:24

And the countdown begins!!!!! Who will end up crying?? And who will end up smiling?? Stay tuned for aquarion evol 26 f i n a l episode!!!!! Gaaahh!!

Arya

2012-06-24, 11:31

mmm, I'm betting on the last troll, a soppy happy ending for Amata and Mikono. :p

Yusei Fudo

2012-06-24, 11:35

inb4 Zessica dies... I hope not...

FLCL

2012-06-24, 11:56

Please leave zessica alone kawamori

mixordia

2012-06-24, 12:03

everyone is happy in the end... and survive... LOL I expect much more for this end.

bastek66

2012-06-24, 12:03

Aww Man, this fucking episode
Kagura x Zessica and Aquarion LOVE as final asspulls

Winged_Memories

2012-06-24, 12:04

Yea...I didn't see that one coming AT ALL...ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS...OMFG kawamori OMFG

Ichijo

2012-06-24, 12:07

Couldn't find a ounce of caring about the supposed emotional end for protagonists. it was expected though.

LastOrder

2012-06-24, 12:07

Welp.

Guess the people who said Kagura and Zessica would end up together were right, in a sense.

I am actually satisfied with this ending.

Kagura and Amata are both precious babies.

pingva

2012-06-24, 12:09

Even Kagura's and Zessica's small interaction is better than Amata's and Mikono's "great" love story.

I like the bits with Zessica, Kagura , Cayenne, Crea, Shrade, GEPARDA(Gepard+SPADA).

After 26ep Mikono for me is a definition of useless.

Vena

2012-06-24, 12:09

So that's how you give Zessica and Kagura a "satisfying ending"... by making them suddenly act like different people. I see. :heh:

bastek66

2012-06-24, 12:09

http://i.minus.com/j9f5TI4iw21rr.jpg
Shitwriting but hey, it was enjoyable.

ZetaAEUG

2012-06-24, 12:11

Okay so this episode seemed to be the team salvaging the mess that they made by choreographing an awesome mech battle scene. But somehow, it feels like a cop out. Mikono didn't merge Kagura and Amata nor did she merge the worlds, but I think she did some apologizing to Mykage for how Celiane 'stole' Apollonius from him. Kagura's sudden change in personality and his cooperativeness was jarring. The same could be said for Zessica, she suddenly reverted to being the likeable character she was pre-confession. Everyone survived though and main character got his girl, so I guess they were right when they said they made the ending with the intention of people not being butthurt.

On its own I'd say it's a good episode, but seeing as how bad the rest of EVOL was, it feels more like an apology than anything.

Shinji103

2012-06-24, 12:13

mixordia

2012-06-24, 12:13

I think Kawamori wanted to please everyone, his main characters have never been so criticized in his previous works, but at the same time, he don't want change his plans... Then he made a happy ending for his favorite couple, but didn't kill the public's favorite characters, Kagura and Zessica ...

I haven't seen the episode yet, but from what everyone is saying AmataxMikono is solidified? How solidified? Like kiss, or just hug?

Either way, I went into this series hoping for an AmataxMikono ending, so if that's what we got, I'm satisfied enough.

No they survive in the end. Nobody dies or solidifies.

mayumi

2012-06-24, 12:15

This shit was waste of my time. seriously.

Winged_Memories

2012-06-24, 12:16

Well I was pretty pleased with the episode shipping wise but still the back of my mind was like *REALLY?? OMG REALLY??* I know someone that isn't going to be happy about this but MEH I wont spoil it for them LOL

Mangaka-chan

2012-06-24, 12:17

Uh, there's going to be a movie? o_0 Do I smell recap?

ZetaAEUG

2012-06-24, 12:18

I haven't seen the episode yet, but from what everyone is saying AmataxMikono is solidified? How solidified? Like kiss, or just hug?

Either way, I went into this series hoping for an AmataxMikono ending, so if that's what we got, I'm satisfied enough.

Amata x Mikono is as solidified as Hikaru x Hayase or even better Max x Millia from Macross. It's undeniable now that Mikono was only interested in Amata, it seems. Kagura and Zessica both have a sudden, jarring change in personality and both of them now support their relationship. However, they (Zess and Kagura) don't interact with each other much in the episode, aside from being 'friends'. Don't let the avid shippers tell you otherwise.

Vena

2012-06-24, 12:18

LastOrder

2012-06-24, 12:18

Unpopular opinion. I actually had no problem with the love story told here. I actually like Mikono and Amata. Not my favorite characters, but I love those two regardless.

And besides.

Not like Sylvia was any better with her brother complex.

raziel12

2012-06-24, 12:20

i was right i knew zessica was going to end up with kagura yessss lol

Vena

2012-06-24, 12:21

i was right i knew zessica was going to end up with kagura yessss lol

That's not what happened. Zessica is pretty unhappy in the ending, look at her expression in the group photo. There is no Kagura/Zessica ending.

Shinji103

2012-06-24, 12:22

No they survive in the end. Nobody dies or solidifies.Errr, I meant "solidified" as in metaphorically. Did Amata and Mikono kiss, or was it just a hug/confession?

mixordia

2012-06-24, 12:25

That's not what happened. Zessica is pretty unhappy in the ending, look at her expression in the group photo. There is no Kagura/Zessica ending.

Kagura / Zessica ending would be totally strange and weird.

ZetaAEUG

2012-06-24, 12:26

i was right i knew zessica was going to end up with kagura yessss lol

No, stop that. In the epilogue, didn't you see how depressed Zessica was until she saw shushu and Amata/Mikono return to Vega? Still up in the air, but I think Zessica is still hung up on Amata but at least now she knows that she hasn't got a chance and is willing to move on. She didn't show much interest in Kagura.

http://i.imgur.com/RBLAN.jpg

mayumi

2012-06-24, 12:26

Now I know why they dragged out the confession since Ep.19... because the plot wouldn't have worked otherwise. :heh:

Also, I like how we just went complete on FULFILL FATE! with Amata being overlayed on Apollo, Mikono with Sylvia. I like when themes completely reverse in one episode (along with characters, who the hell was the red headed guy? Kagura must have died last episode and been replaced). :heh:

That's obvioulsy fighting fate cause Amata loves Mikono for who she now. Regardless of the overlap of Apollo and Silvia :p

Yeah, It is shit. Oh and Zessica can not win against fate.

Katapan

2012-06-24, 12:29

> Shrade's vector crossing dimensions
Oh, maybe you're going to do it after all, Kawamori.
> ... but there are no life signs!
... lol.

In a nutshell: the shinyuu plot was nothing more than a huge tease (okay, this much is partly my fault for ever expecting such a production to go any further, but they even had a fujoshi in the cast and barely did anything with her in the end?!), big bangs were regained (seriously, what was the point? You give Andy his admirable speech and then have the big bangs come back just for show at the very end...? That doesn't serve a single purpose but to undo the character development you'd managed to achieve for at least one side character!), and I was left sorely disappointed.

I'll make sure to remember EVOL for its first half. It's just a huge shame that the resolution, which wasn't that bad per se (I did at least enjoy the Amata/Mikono final bits, but definitely not Zessica's face in the group picture...), has to be overshadowed by the fact that the series promised too many things at the beginning and obviously couldn't deliver in every aspect. I just can't help but brush off the feeling that the staff decided to set their priorities to AKB0048 halfway through and just felt like getting EVOL over with. That'll teach me to get this involved in a Kawamori series because the designs and cast were more appealing than usual. >_<

Radik

2012-06-24, 12:30

That's not what happened. Zessica is pretty unhappy in the ending, look at her expression in the group photo. There is no Kagura/Zessica ending.
I noticed that as well. Her expression in that photo was definitely meant to show us she hasn't gotten over Amata at all, they wouldn't have zoomed in on her otherwise. So not quite a happy ending for her but at least she's alive I guess. At least that makes more sense than Kagura's complete change in character. I have no idea where people are getting that KaguraxZessica end by the way. As for the rest, they totally "forgot" to explain what really happened to both worlds, but who cares at this point...

miketyson

2012-06-24, 12:31

So, in the end, the twist was that there is no twist. I doff my cap to you, OMG_ZERG_RUSH, and now 100% have no clue how this show made it past the drawing board stage.

Kakkou

2012-06-24, 12:32

Errr, I meant "solidified" as in metaphorically. Did Amata and Mikono kiss, or was it just a hug/confession?
They kissed, turned Aquarion EVOL into Aquarion LOVE and saved both planets. How's that for solidified? :p

bastek66

2012-06-24, 12:33

http://i.minus.com/jbcWDdMN1gEGuH.jpg

mayumi

2012-06-24, 12:34

http://i.minus.com/jbcWDdMN1gEGuH.jpg

that's one ugly looking kiss. i would take apollo-silvia one over this.

So likeliness of Amata-Mikono reincarnating is zero now that their souls will be in peace. right? right?
They could have atleast showed zessica getting over Amata or she will get over him.

Shinji103

2012-06-24, 12:35

that's one ugly looking kiss. i would take apollo-silvia one over this.I disagree with you, sir. :D

Mangaka-chan

2012-06-24, 12:36

that's one ugly looking kiss. i would take apollo-silvia one over this.

I think it's suppose to mirror the Apollo/Silvia kiss from the first series, judging by how Mikono looks kinda surprised.

Zuul

2012-06-24, 12:36

Pretty disapointing end that confirms it was not a deconstruction but all bad pacing, bad characterization, messed up themes and bad writting. And bad romance too.

Still baffled at the pointlessness of Kagura and Zessica's role in all of that.

At least they did get a good end. I believe she'll eventually move on. She will. ;_;

Winged_Memories

2012-06-24, 12:43

Spoiler for: Amata x Mikono kiss scene ;)

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/aquarion-evol?before=1340557617

raziel12

2012-06-24, 12:47

That's not what happened. Zessica is pretty unhappy in the ending, look at her expression in the group photo. There is no Kagura/Zessica ending.

well i havent watched the ep yet so iam still waiting lol but i had a feeling amata and Mikono was going to go to altiar and kagura was gonna be left on Vega

finalfury

2012-06-24, 12:48

Spoiler for: Amata x Mikono kiss scene ;)

http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/aquarion-evol?before=1340557617

The pic with Suomi giving Donar a rice ball was pure win and the pic with the kagura and Zessica and the rest of the cast was also very nice and both pics overshadowed the kiss scene between Amata and Mikono, lol.I appreciate the link, thanks a lot.

OMG_Zerg_Rush

2012-06-24, 12:53

It ended the way I thought it would but Was the zoom in on Zessica's sad face REALLY needed?
Anyway no one died and the villian was defeated as I hoped here's hoping the announce a ova or movie soon

Faerie

2012-06-24, 12:56

mayumi

2012-06-24, 12:59

Oh my prediction about Apollo-Silvia overlap saving the Amata-Mikono pairing was right after all. Except it didn't save anything.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4204396&postcount=196

Mangaka-chan

2012-06-24, 13:01

I usually like happy endings, but I'm really disappointed with the happy ending to EVOL. :(

Zuul

2012-06-24, 13:02

Aquarion Evol: giving hope to bland, boring girls with the personality of a goldfish: they too will find a good looking guy who shall love them and find their lack of personality or capacity endearing.

Basically, what a waste of time :/

You know that for most girls guys like Amata are not attractive at all. You should go read the articles on 'nice guys' in the Heartless Bitches International website.

I wrote somewhere else that with MikonoxAmata they made a failed hybridation with a Shoujo lead (Miss Do nothing DID Mikono) and a shounen lead (Nice guy pushover Amata). Probably expecting to please both female and male viewers and failed terribly at that.

As a female, when I read a shoujo, I want the bland easy to relate to Shoujo lead to score a dude I deem attractive. Amata is not personnality wise, his being the textbook clingy nice guy.

It's the same for male viewer.

The whole thing is made worse by Zessica (perfect waifu) and Kagura (perfect husbando) existence.

pingva

2012-06-24, 13:04

Oh, that sad Zessica's face ......(no comment).

bastek66

2012-06-24, 13:28

http://i.minus.com/id34CUcsvyZqq.gif

crayven

2012-06-24, 13:34

Winged_Memories

2012-06-24, 13:36

Faerie

2012-06-24, 13:38

You know that for most girls guys like Amata are not attractive at all. You should go read the articles on 'nice guys' in the Heartless Bitches International website.

I wrote somewhere else that with MikonoxAmata they made a failed hybridation with a Shoujo lead (Miss Do nothing DID Mikono) and a shounen lead (Nice guy pushover Amata). Probably expecting to please both female and male viewers and failed terribly at that.

As a female, when I read a shoujo, I want the bland easy to relate to Shoujo lead to score a dude I deem attractive. Amata is not personnality wise, his being the textbook clingy nice guy.

It's the same for male viewer.

The whole thing is made worse by Zessica (perfect waifu) and Kagura (perfect husbando) existence.

That's why I said "good-looking" instead of "attractive" ;) You're absolutely right though, I agree with everything you've said.
Thing is, with Mikono it was always obvious that this is who she was, despite faint hope she would grow above it. That Amata is a wet washcloth only becomes apparent later, so the disappointment is bigger.
Either way, what they did here pleases no one. As a female, I wouldn't want to be with Amata, even if he came for free. Clingy. And if I were a guy, I wouldn't touch someone like Mikono either. Too high maintenance for all the bland. From that standpoint, Zessica and Kagura probably dodged a bullet,which they will be very glad for later on- even if they don't realize it as of yet.

I can't believe they promised no bitter aftertaste and then zoomed in on Zessica's sadface.

Zuul

2012-06-24, 13:39

Zessica wore her sexy clothes again so it's implied she's going to move on, even if slowly. I don't understand why the show puts her through so much suffering for literally nothing though.

Kagura. I like how you realized your deep love for Mikono couldn't compare to Amata's for her and gave up on getting her in 5 minutes max. That was not sudden at all.:heh:

In the end it was mostly Amata who did all the hard work saving Mikono. For the main heroine she didn't do a lot in the final episode did she.

Pretty horrible. Even at the end the girl that wanted to overcome uselessness did nothing. In a way (as a character) she also got a crap end. She was nothing but a prize for the MC all along.

That's why I said "good-looking" instead of "attractive" ;) You're absolutely right though, I agree with everything you've said.
Thing is, with Mikono it was always obvious that this is who she was, despite faint hope she would grow above it. That Amata is a wet washcloth only becomes apparent later, so the disappointment is bigger.
Either way, what they did here pleases no one. As a female, I wouldn't want to be with Amata, even if he came for free. Clingy. And if I were a guy, I wouldn't touch someone like Mikono either. Too high maintenance for all the bland. From that standpoint, Zessica and Kagura probably dodged a bullet,which they will be very glad for later on- even if they don't realize it as of yet.

I can't believe they promised no bitter aftertaste and then zoomed in on Zessica's sadface.

I have been attacked on it before, but some people (me included) think that the writting staff were really aware of how flawed Kawamori's idea for the main drama were and they did intentionnally troll him.

The way Zessica is written is particularly telling.

One can think the writting staff was not very happy by the fact the main goodie-goodie pair has to be dragged, going nowhere until the very end, and the pseudo love rivals made to suffer while not having the slightest hint of a chance to begin with. It's pretty obvious nothing good can come of that sort of setting.

teelatsuki

2012-06-24, 13:44

Don't you just love how the character with the purest feelings that actually did stuff for the person she loved... to the very last... actually got jack shit for it all.

Seriously they should have saved zessica for another series she pretty much ruined this one being the perfect incarnation of what they tried to do with the protagonist, I will give them a 10 for execution and a 0 for continuity givin us a total of 5 because most of the actions of the characters made no sense compared with their previous actions.

Radik

2012-06-24, 13:45

http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo53/Radik2/Aquarion%20EVOL/Zessica_happy_ending.jpg
Zessica is basically the Pollon of her generation now.

Kaioshin Sama

2012-06-24, 13:46

The way this show appears to have turned out it makes me think that if Macross had been made today Kawamori would have had Hikaru end the show with Minmay.

This shit was waste of my time. seriously.

And now it looks like more people are about to understand my struggles with Satelight produced stuff as that's exactly how I've felt after just about everything they've done up to this point. The most frustrating part is that I've started nearly every Satelight experience feeling that there's tons of potential and that this time it's finally going to be the time it delivers. I just hope that because Muv-Luv is an adaptation it doesn't run into the same problems. :uhoh:

melina_putri

2012-06-24, 13:47

Uh, there's going to be a movie? o_0 Do I smell recap?

The announcement is about there will be a director cut version of this episode on Volume 9 BD/DVD, not a movie.

miketyson

2012-06-24, 13:52

Yeah, those fan theories about the writers flat-out not liking what they were asked to right are starting to seem like they might have something to them after watching this finale.

A director's cut, eh? I think they already tried that with the volume 1 BD and we all know how much bonus content that wound up having.

koalatea

2012-06-24, 13:53

I actually really liked the ending? Mikono and Amata had some really adorable scenes, and Donar and Suomi finally got together. ;w; I can't really say I liked Kagura in this episode though. I'm really surprised he didn't kill Zessica, because I thought he would do anything for Mikono. He even helped Amata get Mikono. Zessica seems like the only one still hung on, which is kind of sad. I wish they would of made her happier at least. ( Though I can't say I don't mind the idea of Kagura x Zessica together, because I think after what they went through, they deserve each other. Also surprisingly, their powers really match up well together.) I can't wait for the subs, so I can actually understand it better. xD

Zuul

2012-06-24, 13:56

If they were to make an OVA I would like them to give us a new set of characters. And come with some good love story, with no pointless pseudo triangle and actual development.
And please no more shoujo shounen failed hybridation, but characters with chemistry and a personnality.

Tyabann

2012-06-24, 14:16

tsunade666

2012-06-24, 14:26

For all the shitting thing that happen. I enjoyed the ending. Good Bollywood entertaining ending. Like I'm watching the sparkle gay twilight vampire thingy.

MIX is back with a bang and I wonder how the hell that happen.
I will ship for Zessica and Kagura
They don't get nice robot ending because no one died this time around and they manage to be together now.
Mikono until the end didn't do a thing which is pretty loyal from the beginning.
Zessica been helping Amata that when she shows up I was surprised that Amata even remember her name.
Kagura being Kagura I didn't expect him to just help Amata their at the battle.
MyKAGE finally been in touch with FudoAppolonious being entrap inside of him.
Most problems are solve in a one big bang episode
Heck the instructors are now a couple. I wonder what that sister said that left that major guy's jaw dropping.

super bad that I can't help but praise it. This story will be one in the history for being in that category. Good dog Good Dog. I want dog days. Well at least in the end of the episode they show a Muv Luv preview which is nice.

mayumi

2012-06-24, 14:28

Zuul

2012-06-24, 14:41

The hero is actually Kagura not Amata cause Kagura jumped fate and accepted he won't get Sylvie and was ok with it. it was done in a matter of 2 mins character change twist. but i can't help but appreciate kagura for it.

I was very well aware that Kagura was the best dude all along, considering he has years of torture and brainwashing to justify his obssession on Mikono while Amata is just a clingy creep all by himself.:eyespin:

pingva

2012-06-24, 14:54

Faerie

2012-06-24, 14:59

I think I can confidently say that I hate this show. That's a first for me. And it makes me really sad to admit this :( I wanted to love this show, as I think I've said before somewhere.

I have been attacked on it before, but some people (me included) think that the writting staff were really aware of how flawed Kawamori's idea for the main drama were and they did intentionnally troll him.

That would be a stupid move, commercially, as sales will likely not be great for this (I hope), and might have been better if they'd tried to salvage what they could.
On the other hand, I can see someone being handed this kind of idea and going "screw it".
However, what is still inexplicable is how can someone create something like Macross on the one hand and then come up with the absolute drivel that is this show? And also, who authorised this project in the first place?
In all honesty, the way this show progressed is something you'd expect from a newbie fanfiction author, not experienced staff with numerous big titled to their name. It's just really strange...

By the way, despite them not having any interaction in the show, simply removing the triangle and making Kagura Zessica's love interest instead of Mikono's would've improved things drastically. Sure, they would've completely overshadowed AmataxMikono because they are actually interesting people, but it would've made for a much smoother and more interesting plot. As it is, EVOL is just plain the worst show I've seen in years.

Zuul

2012-06-24, 15:09

By the way, despite them not having any interaction in the show, simply removing the triangle and making Kagura Zessica's love interest instead of Mikono's would've improved things drastically. Sure, they would've completely overshadowed AmataxMikono because they are actually interesting people, but it would've made for a much smoother and more interesting plot. As it is, EVOL is just plain the worst show I've seen in years.

It wouldn't solve AmataxMikono bad chemistry problem, but at least you wouldn't have to see the worst option winning, because there wouldn't be any other option to begin with. And without Kagura, Amata's creepy side wouldn't have been made so blatantly obvious.

genjo sanzo

2012-06-24, 15:09

By the way, despite them not having any interaction in the show, simply removing the triangle and making Kagura Zessica's love interest instead of Mikono's would've improved things drastically. Sure, they would've completely overshadowed AmataxMikono because they are actually interesting people, but it would've made for a much smoother and more interesting plot. As it is, EVOL is just plain the worst show I've seen in years.

I'm stalking Kawamori on his twitter account asking for this, give us a KaguraxZessica oav, so we can be satisfied, telling us what happens later

crayven

2012-06-24, 15:12

Zuul

2012-06-24, 15:15

finalfury

2012-06-24, 15:16

It wouldn't solve AmataxMikono bad chemistry problem, but at least you wouldn't have to see the worst option winning, because there wouldn't be any other option to begin with. And without Kagura, Amata's creepy side wouldn't have been made so blatantly obvious.

Lol, I thought Amata and Mikono had perfectly good chemistry cuz of what Mikono said in the first episode "We're a pair of useless people".
Two horribly written characters getting together is good cuz i dont want that Amata to taint dear Zessica. Zessica should be with Kagura, hell those two were the stars of this episode.

mayumi

2012-06-24, 15:19

By the way, despite them not having any interaction in the show, simply removing the triangle and making Kagura Zessica's love interest instead of Mikono's would've improved things drastically. Sure, they would've completely overshadowed AmataxMikono because they are actually interesting people, but it would've made for a much smoother and more interesting plot. As it is, EVOL is just plain the worst show I've seen in years.

I always said that if Zessica had her own love story with whoever, it would sell more Blue ray disks. Like seriously everyone would have rooted for Zessica and whoever she was meant to be with over Amata-Mikono. Already I feel Yunoha-Jin and Andy-Mix overshadow Amata-Mikono. So why couldn't Zessica have her own love story as well?

finalfury

2012-06-24, 15:19

Moving on is a normal thing.

I know it kinda crushes the otaku ideal of forever love, but I just want an happy Zessica, someone who won't end up as a lone angry women with 54 cats.

I want her to have a happy family. She deserves it as well as Kagura(especially kagura) for all the angst, torture and brainwashing Zessica/Kagura received in this series.

Zuul

2012-06-24, 15:21

Lol, I thought Amata and Mikono had perfectly good chemistry cuz of what Mikono said in the first episode "We're a pair of useless people".
Two horribly written characters getting together is good cuz i dont want that Amata to taint dear Zessica. Zessica should be with Kagura, hell those two were the stars of this episode.

I'm speaking about chemistry here. Chemistry = endearing interactions to watch.

But I agree that in a way they deserve each other . Just don't make their boring romance such a central piece of the show.

finalfury

2012-06-24, 15:23

I'm speaking about chemistry here. Chemistry = endearing interactions to watch.

But I agree that in a way they deserve each other . Just don't make their boring romance such a central piece of the show.

I apologize for that misinterpretation. I was thinking about chemistry as in how well they go together rather than endearing interactions to watch.

koalatea

2012-06-24, 15:27

Zuul

2012-06-24, 15:29

I found their interactions endearing to watch. :/

The blushyblush I can understand even if I'm not into vanilla.

But Mikono going tsun on Amata and his acting like a miserable doormat. It's horrible.:uhoh:

mayumi

2012-06-24, 15:30

All they needed to show was Zessica can get over Amata but they didn't. She is only 17, for god's sake it should be easy to get over someone like Amata. He is not worth Zessica' love for eternity.

Faerie

2012-06-24, 15:31

I don't think so SkullFaerie. Just remove Zessica from the show, making her fall for Kagura (who doesn't even talk to her until the final ep and only appears once every 6 episodes) would ruin her character totally.

I'd much rather a forever alone end then this KaguraxZessica pairing. This is ridiculous.

It would have been so, if they had squeezed it into this last episode, or even if they had squeezed it into this show as it is.
I meant it would've done wonders for the appeal of the show if it had been written into the show from the beginning instead of having Kagura and Zessica be interested in respectively Mikono and Amata.
Why? Because the show was set up for these two to never have a chance in hell with their love interests in the first place. The inclusion of it was completely pointless, dragged the plot out and ruined everyone's character in the process. By removing this element, you get a better show.
However, by making Zessica a friend, she gets a boring role, wasting her potential.
Same by having Kagura be only an enemy/ the other half.
By giving her a love interest of her own, you give her a deserving plot. By making it Kagura, he gets a good ending too- which he very much deserves. You also add an actually interesting love story to your protagonists (enemies, both are pilots, both have strong personalities, one had a bad life and is messed up etc. a lot of potential), since the main one falls flat.
Amata and Mikono can explore their feelings without becoming jerks, Mikono may get a chance to become awesome in the process and they might actually end up decent characters. The show becomes memorable by having a boring but stable and a hot headed and tortured main couple.

Or you could take Zessica out of the show completely and have a bland story about a creepy clingy dude and his dry damsel. You choose ;)
(That said, taking her and Kagura out of the show would leave Evol as a generic, slightly boring but overall palatable offering. Nothing memorable, but maybe entertaining enough. Would still be an improvement.)

Destined_Fate

2012-06-24, 15:37

So they went with the Worst Ending Possible huh?

Zuul

2012-06-24, 15:42

So they went with the Worst Ending Possible huh?

At least Mikage and Kagura got a good end.

ZetaAEUG

2012-06-24, 15:44

Not touching the 'pairing' with Kagura, but as I see it, she didn't look very interested in him at all. I think it was hinted at in there to appeal to the Kagura and Zessica fanbases but to me it comes off as cheap. Zessica can be alone and move on like Cayenne or Yunoha.

I did find it funny that Kagura is totally absent from the group photo though, seems like nobody forgot about his murderous rampage. So at least there's some consistency there. His character is probably the worst followed by Mikono, hopefully the subs will explain his sudden change in personality but knowing EVOL's writing they probably won't.

Thess

2012-06-24, 15:44

Mykage got a good end! Kinda. I was happy for him. :D

No comment about the randomness of the Kagura-related things. Maybe they cut content. :heh:

Zuul

2012-06-24, 15:48

I think Zessica not being shown to move on was made to not hurt the otakus and their purity obssession. It's not necesserally Okada/Kawamori being cruel for the heck of it.

I recently read about the kannagi incident and went full facepalm.

mayumi

2012-06-24, 15:48

IF they did the Kagura change in personality 4 eps back and make him realize that "smell" is not the way to love someone I might take him seriously over the last minute twist. I would have also appreacaited it if he told mikono that she is a weak ass bitch compared to silvia :D

Faerie

2012-06-24, 15:49

It wouldn't solve AmataxMikono bad chemistry problem, but at least you wouldn't have to see the worst option winning, because there wouldn't be any other option to begin with. And without Kagura, Amata's creepy side wouldn't have been made so blatantly obvious.

well no, nothing can really solve that, unless you redo their personalities: Have Mikono actually do something and become more confident and mature in the process. Just because she's bland doesn't mean she can't grow into a fine young woman. Give Amata something real to mention in his ep 23 speech.
And without Kagura to pounce on, Amata could either act normal, or be an obsessive creeper without people noticing. It doesn't make them compelling, but at least likeable or cute- even though I don't like these vanilla couples personally.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-24, 15:50

At least Mikage and Kagura got a good end.

Eh, I would still have preferred Mykage killing Amata and "useless" Mikono. Besides, Zessica got no happy ending. After all she went through she got... Nothing. What was the point of torturing her for so many episodes than at the big finale she gets nothing but sadness while the two heathens responsible for all the bad things in EVOL get a happy ending.

KleenexGhost

2012-06-24, 15:51

So they said they were gonna go for an ending that wouldn't leave a bad taste in everyone's mouths? Going by the discussions on this thread I would say they failed.

I can't really complain about Zessica getting the shaft, since it's been going on for a long time now.

Kagura, I know I've called you a walking plot device in the past, but now you rank up there with Shrade and Andy as the best dudes in this series.

Anyone else rooted for Mykage during the final battle, cause I know I was.

Yay, Crea did something. Flash steps FTW!

Fudo actually got off his ass and did something.

I really got nothing to say about Amata and Mikono. We knew that this is what they were going for from the jump. The useless pair. Funny Kagura went against destiny, like he was the hero of the show or something.

So does this end the cycle?

Production values were good, action was strong. Story showed potential at times but never capitalized on it, end result was blah. No needless deaths final episode though. No emotional attachment to the main couple. It felt like the writers didn't care about them enough to develop them properly so why should I care?

crayven

2012-06-24, 15:53

Moving on is a normal thing.

I know it kinda crushes the otaku ideal of forever love, but I just want an happy Zessica, someone who won't end up as a lone angry woman with 54 cats.
She'll move on eventually, I think everyone would agree that's the best thing for her. What I wanted to discuss about is stuff that happened in the final episode specifically. Perhaps I should have worded it better.

The show has written her love for Amata to be so pure and deep it would make her getting over Amata in just one episode seem ridiculous. See how fast Kagura dropped his "obsession" over Mikono this ep and how that ruined his character. Not that he was anything more than a plot device anyway.

This has nothing to do with the "otaku ideal" of "true love". You don't build up a character's love for over half the show and then let him/her get over it in the first 10 minutes of the final episode. That's bad writing. If Zessica started to move on from ep 18/19 it would look more reasonable.

ReaperxKingx

2012-06-24, 15:56

Well they tried and I give them credit for trying, but all in all they failed in this series. I personally thought that the original didn't need a squeal and this series proved this point.

KleenexGhost

2012-06-24, 16:01

Well they tried and I give them credit for trying, but all in all they failed in this series. I personally thought that the original didn't need a squeal and this series proved this point.

It's kinda reminiscent of Gundam Seed Destiny. So much promise, but in the end it was a let down :T_T:

Liquidzero

2012-06-24, 16:05

http://i.imgur.com/RBLAN.jpg

I could care less about all this reincarnation nonsense, what I really want to know is, is that girl on the left covering her face the one that always wears a bag over her head? Who is she? why were we not given an episode to explain her bag wearing over head backstory. So mysterious she is...

Destined_Fate

2012-06-24, 16:09

She was just a filler character to make the cast look larger. Her role was never important nor was her identity. Besides, they had more pressing matters to try and attend to. Such as Amata and Mikono that needed a lot of help yet never got it. Instead we just got a last episode that forced them together without resolving any of the issues in a satisfying manner.

ReaperxKingx

2012-06-24, 16:13

It's kinda reminiscent of Gundam Seed Destiny. So much promise, but in the end it was a let down :T_T:

There are so many things I wanted to critique about Gundam Seed Destiny, but I let it slide. It had so much potential as well, it predecessor Gundam Seed ranks 2nd best in all the Gundam series for me. Gundam 00 stands as the best. Oh back on topic, I went to other forums and they were saying they might make another squeal. What is everyone's thoughts on this?

koalatea

2012-06-24, 16:16

Destined_Fate

2012-06-24, 16:19

There are so many things I wanted to critique about Gundam Seed Destiny, but I let it slide. It had so much potential as well, it predecessor Gundam Seed ranks 2nd best in all the Gundam series for me. Gundam 00 stands as the best. Oh back on topic, I went to other forums and they were saying they might make another squeal. What is everyone's thoughts on this?

Hell no. Amata and Mikono ruined Apollo and Silvia than had the nerve to use them as an excuse over why they deserved a happy ending. That and they've shown they're horrible writers with how bad they ruined EVOL. This isn't the same as Destiny where they were rushed out to cap on SEED fame, they had years to muse this over with no rush. Yet they somehow surpassed Destiny in all the things it managed to do wrong only they did nothing right to balance it out. Seriously, this is the worst Anime I've ever seen and is the least deserving of a sequel(And all things considered, Aquarion would have been better off without a sequel like EVOL. Since EVOL ruined Genesis). Since if EVOL is any inclination is that they will only do worse while ruining the previous series just for the "Plot twists".

Even if they made a sequel you know they would bring out a spiteful Zessica as the big bad only because they will never drop the chance to kick the crude out of her for no reason.

Liquidzero

2012-06-24, 16:20

Destined_Fate

2012-06-24, 16:24

Haha sorry i was just being sarcastic. Although, Chun Mei was a background character in Mai Hime but became a main character in Mai Otome.

That's another thing though. That bag girl has no hope of such a role, they had enough problems with developed side characters compared to their undeveloped main pair that has bitten them in the ass many times already in EVOL.

KleenexGhost

2012-06-24, 16:25

NoemiChan

2012-06-24, 16:26

I bet a good ending with pairings of Amata x Mikono and Andy x Mix (female).

Just watched the RAW... No clue what they were saying but I say I'm quite satisfied though the sweetness between Amata x Mikono invited only few ants....:heh:

Guess I won my bet....

Glad Andy could grasp Mix with two full hands again!;)

Zessica could have her happiness with Kagura.... THey might have already realized that they can't break the "Useless Pair".

I wish for an OVA for Amata x Mikono...:heh:

Love you Amata x Mikono!!!!!

ReaperxKingx

2012-06-24, 16:28

If they're gonna do a sequel then I would hope they take their time with it. If they bring people in to help then bring in people with experience with writing stories in the same genre/style of Aquarion. Take time to develop the characters. And for God's sake, end the reincarnation cycle already!

Essentially don't do another Aquarion Evol :heh:

Eh, but the original was in 2005. When was the starting development time for this series, since the original took place 7 years ago. If this took 7 years to make and this is the result, I am unhappy and losing my patience.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-24, 16:29

Not much of a bet since everyone predicted this since the first episode. It's the intermission episodes 2-25 that ruined it.

mixordia

2012-06-24, 16:35

Zessica x Kagura? You're kidding me right?

in 4 minutes at last episode, Kagura changed his personality... LOL :eyespin:

Amata and Mikono would happen, but I really hoped that they will not survive. The scene was like Sousei, only changed the characters and in this time Apollo (Amata) didn't disappear from the earth... really, reallyyy original.

In the end Zessica still appears sad, still in love for Amata... tsc.

And to finish, Fudo says goodbye, I swear to God I laughed at this part, for me, Fudo represents Kawamori.

KleenexGhost

2012-06-24, 16:36

Eh, but the original was in 2005. When was the starting development time for this series, since the original took place 7 years ago. If this took 7 years to make and this is the result, I am unhappy and losing my patience.

True, that is sad if that is the case. Maybe they should take a page from the guys that are doing Eureka Seven AO

Zessica x Kagura? You're kidding me right?

in 4 minutes at last episode, Kagura changed his personality... LOL :eyespin:

Amata and Mikono would happen, but I really hoped that they will not survive. The scene was like Sousei, only changed the characters and in this time Apollo (Amata) didn't disappear from the earth... really, reallyyy original.

In the end Zessica still appears sad, still in love for Amata... tsc.

And to finish, Fudo says goodbye, I swear to God I laughed at this part, for me, Fudo represents Kawamori.

Yeah, the changes in Zessica's and Kagura's personalities reeked of half-assed writing.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-24, 16:45

Ignore the pointless shippers, there is no Kagura x Zessica. They're just trying to go the whole "Hey, she has Kagura now even though they just met and there was no romantic chemistry between them at all! So why can't you be happy for Amata and Mikono? Can't you see that their love is more pure and destined than Zessica's?".

It's even worse since Kagura is Amata but isn't, so they use that reasoning over why Zessica should get with Kagura. Which is completely stupid since Kagura is not the Amata that Zessica fell in love with and is completely different personality wise.

The only ones that got any satisfaction from Evol are Andy x Mix fans. At least their love was real and not fake like Amata x Mikono that had to rely on Apollo x Silvia to validate what EVOL couldn't. So it seems that now everyone else is destined to be forever alone while Amata and Mikono trolls them. Gawd help the next unfortunate souls if those two super trolls get into another Reincarnation Cycle.

The saddest thing of all is that the only ones that actually fought Destiny ended up with a bad ending. They should never have used that fighting Destiny theme considering how they ended EVOL. Which shows that fighting Destiny means you'll get a ****ed up childhood and/or tortured endlessly than at the end of it all you get nothing while those that embraced Destiny get everything for doing nothing right.

gecd

2012-06-24, 17:19

everybody said MIX got her BIGBANG again
but......that's not a BIGbang:(

Destined_Fate

2012-06-24, 17:25

everybody said MIX got her BIGBANG again
but......that's not a BIGbang:(

It cheapens Andy too since he never got a chance to make good on his promise that he didn't care if she was a man or not since this was how it was going to end anyway.

Roxell

2012-06-24, 17:25

Well I might as well add this thing here.

http://safebooru.org//samples/851/sample_3688522e99b91c13bff007c2c5637c3b3534016d.jp g?856747

Korps!

2012-06-24, 17:26

So, for the great finale was Mikono useful? ... Yep, though so.

Kagura got his big character developement, he turned into an AmataXMikono shipper, didn't see that one coming. And of course it has to be mister Sakasama who needs to highlight the pun in the title.

What was the point of Zessica? We will never know.

Oh, Crea got to drive the Aquarion, wich didn't go further than service.

For Mykage, bigger is better.

In the end only Jin-kun, Alicia and Izumo got fucked (minus us of course).

So now I'm left wondering wich got the most shitty romance between EVOL and Korra.

Zuul

2012-06-24, 17:29

KleenexGhost

2012-06-24, 17:31

Well I might as well add this thing here.

http://safebooru.org//samples/851/sample_3688522e99b91c13bff007c2c5637c3b3534016d.jp g?856747

According to the interview people have talked about before on episode discussions, this is how Yuki Kaji actually feels :heh:

raindropxremix

2012-06-24, 17:34

As a sequel to Genesis of Aquarion, this series failed to live up Genesis. It started out nicely but than they dragged it out and then fucked things up that made you like the first series.

In Genesis, it was stated that Apollo was indeed the reincarnation of Apollonius and thus the glorified 'Solar Wings'. Apollonius loved Celiane who was reincarnated as Silvia (and her brother Sirius) . What made Silvia and Apollo so lovable was how they butt heads constantly yet cared for each other deeply to the point that Silvia and Apollo would wait to be together once more after Apollo sacrifices himself to heal the Tree of Life.

Moving onto Evol, We find out near the end that Apollo was not Apollonius himself but his winged dog Pollon. To me, that is just a slap in the face and very insulting to the first story. BUT what makes it more unbelievable is that the first series showed more than once that Apollo possessed the famed 'Solar Wings' which were highly treasured wings of Apollonius and it showed that only HE possessed such wings, not the dog Pollon. So somehow the dog gained the same kind of wings!? I don't think so.

And then pointing fingers towards Zen Fudo as the true Apollonius, meaning that Gen Fudo was also Apollonius, I call bullcrap! I like that Zen was Gen but not as Apollonius. No.

Okay, so then it goes on to state in Evol that Amata's and Kagura's mother was the reincarnation of Pollon too but somehow magically was able to pass on Pollon's soul to her son without dying. Reincarnation means you die and go onto your next life. Not pass on your soul and still live.

Also, If Mikono is Silvia Reincarnated who is partly Celine reincarnated, Then where is her other half or did Celiane's soul magically become whole again?

The whole Toma/Mykage rage thing is so stupid. Toma wanted humans gone and now he wants to remake the world. Which would require the tree of life, not the Aquarion. It's like the writing team was pulling crap from their arses without even looking at the first series. Really, it makes me rage. This doesn't even deserve to be called a sequel to Genesis of Aquarion.

Besides the horribleness of it all, the few positive things were Andy/Mix's relationship and Yunaho/Jin. Both sets were very sweet and real. Crea was also adorable as well, just as Rena had been. ( Honestly I totally thought Rena/Crea was the winged dog, it made more sense. ) Zen Fudo was an amusing character just as Gen had been. But these are the short few.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-24, 17:37

Nice work there. Too bad the writers made Amata brain dead in Evol.

In trying to fight Destiny the creators ended up going with Destiny. Ugh. Poor Zessica just can't win when she was the one that tried the hardest.

cyberdemon

2012-06-24, 17:41

everybody said MIX got her BIGBANG again
but......that's not a BIGbang:(

Well it's probably a slow recovery now that the issues on Altair have been fixed. With time, they should be back to their full glory.

Also, If Mikono is Silvia Reincarnated who is partly Celine reincarnated, Then where is her other half or did Celiane's soul magically become whole again?

I think it was mentioned that her soul was whole again. Otherwise Kagura mentioned that Shrade smelled like Mikono. That could hint that he is the reincarnation of Sirius or maybe a descendant of Silvia.

miketyson

2012-06-24, 17:47

Thinking it over, I don't have much good to say about this show. Specifically the direction and/or series composition role, not sure how to apportion the blame here, :heh:...but, at the end, it's a show that had a lot of things going on at the same time, but little sign of some kind of guiding hand shaping it all into a coherent work.

That it wasn't apparent how badly-organized it all was until the final moments is a testimony to how much it had going on at any point in time, but at the end of the day it's a bunch of people doing their stuff and not actually as much of a "series" as it seemed going into it.

The one is going to bug me for awhile even if I'm sick of talking about it. It was like a superposition of different stories all happening at once but then, to mix/abuse my science metaphors, when the waveform collapsed and it came out of supersaturation (:heh: there's the mix/abuse) it all crystalized around the least-developed of those stories.

Really a shame.

ReaperxKingx

2012-06-24, 17:50

Actually the fault lies with the writers, the other people working on it isn't to blame. Even if the animators made them all chibi characters, but if it still included the story it wouldn't change much.

Yusei Fudo

2012-06-24, 18:01

The ending was kind of a disappointment :x

Korps!

2012-06-24, 18:02

Korra doesn't have LOVE spelled backward in its title at least.

Exactly, they didn't have to put that shit inside, yet they did.

EVOL was love spelled backward so no wonder that would stand for crap drama.

Anonymous

"Actually, if you got rid of Amata and Mikono's bullshit this episode would have been pretty good.

Actually, if you got rid of Amata and Mikono, this show would have been pretty good."

Mykage was half of the show by himself.

Vena

2012-06-24, 18:22

In the end, there just wasn't a point or conclusion to Zessica's character. Its... odd? Vexing even. They zoom in on her unsatisfied/saddened expression, they show her blush (what the hell was this?) and smile when Amata shows up again. They sort of tried to shoehorn in something with Kagura, and his basically making some sort of "this is a good person, what the hell are you doing Amata?" conclusion during their meeting and gattai, but that doesn't do more than just lampshade the whole thing.

I ask, again, why have her in this story at all? That lampshading during the gattai, her just doing everything for Amata, what the hell? Themes would have worked out better without her, story would have worked out better without her.

Aquarion EVOL: Love conquers all!*

*As long as your fated.

EDIT: Whatever happened to Mikono making a choice? We just went from Amata and Kagura fighting over a prize. To Kagura conceding for some... reason, and Amata claiming his prize. There was no real choosing going on by Mikono.

KleenexGhost

2012-06-24, 18:25

This is gonna catch heat, but does anyone else feel like Evol is kinda like Twilight?

koalatea

2012-06-24, 18:26

This is gonna catch heat, but does anyone else feel like Evol is kinda like Twilight?

No, it's not that bad. xD

miketyson

2012-06-24, 18:27

Destined_Fate

2012-06-24, 18:32

Even Twilight did better than Evol.

As for Mikono. You expected her to choose? She's been useless since her appearance. Doing things on her own is too hard, better to let men make decisions her around it seems. Apparently that's the kind of women EVOL wanted to convey was the ideal one while making it a mission to beat up the strong independent girl because she isn't damsel in distress enough to win in love. That and Green Hair. It seems Green Hair is the Devil to Kawamori.

HiiroKun

2012-06-24, 18:35

KleenexGhost

2012-06-24, 18:40

No, it's not that bad. xD

lol I mean that in the end there is no sense of actual progress.

I mean how have the main characters changed and developed? How has Amata developed and evolved significantly? He still seems dependent on Mikono.

Yes, Mikono gained her connect ability but was it useful in the final battle? Not really? She was still the damsel in distress.

Kagura was actually developed pretty well compared to Amata, Mikono and Zessica.

As for Zessica they tried to developed but it went off the rails and screwed her character up, then she was essentially turned into the punching bag of the writers.

And as for the relationships: You essentially got Edward, Bella and Jacob in anime form. Amata and Mikono can flip-flop between Ed and Bella, while Zessica and Kagura are Jacob.

Vena

2012-06-24, 18:42

Vena: themes? You still think this show has coherent themes? :heh: You're a generous fellow.

I'd say it has characters, and settings, and some plot events, but themes...themes at this point are the one thing I'm not seeing. Nothing coherent, at least.

It's a shame that no coherent theme came out of this, but I was saying that you could have easily had a coherent theme if Zessica had not existed in the show. They went ahead and lampshaded the whole thing this episode with Kagura's rather sudden and random observation of Zessica to Amata, and later her expression at the end (on which they focused).

Why is/was she in this story? She doesn't seem to serve any purpose other than to suffer because she was a loving person, directly opposite the main female? (I should have known something was wrong when Kawamori had to come out and correct misconceptions on Mikono, something was very wrong in the character scripting.)

mayumi

2012-06-24, 18:46

EDIT: Whatever happened to Mikono making a choice? We just went from Amata and Kagura fighting over a prize. To Kagura conceding for some... reason, and Amata claiming his prize. There was no real choosing going on by Mikono.

Mikono made her choice. It is just that viewers were just too stupid to understand the wonderful writing in this show. Yeah, no Kagura made that choice for her. Mikono did nothing.

I seriously wonder if characters like Mikono are supposed to be liked. She is a deadbeat and her lover has to carry all the load on his shoulder so that she can have a nice love story. WTF?
If Mikono were a guy and Amata was a girl, people would hate MIkono for a dead beat who relied on his wife to do everything.

Or is it some sort of crappy idea that pretty girls need to be protected cause boo hoo they can't fend for themselves? It just pisses me off.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-24, 18:54

Finished watching RAW version, and FINALLY an AmataxMikono Epic Kiss and Epic Ending.. Who said Kawamori always go for the main character break-up ending ?:heh:
Still waiting for the subs, cant understand the last part where Fudo and Mikage talk..:twitch:

Well aren't you easy to please.:twitch:

It's a shame that no coherent theme came out of this, but I was saying that you could have easily had a coherent theme if Zessica had not existed in the show. They went ahead and lampshaded the whole thing this episode with Kagura's rather sudden and random observation of Zessica to Amata, and later her expression at the end (on which they focused).

Why is/was she in this story? She doesn't seem to serve any purpose other than to suffer because she was a loving person, directly opposite the main female? (I should have known something was wrong when Kawamori had to come out and correct misconceptions on Mikono, something was very wrong in the character scripting.)

She was supposed to make Mikono look better by being her rival and give doubt over who Amata would get with in the end. However the writers failed even at that regard despite how simple it is. They realized early on that Amata x Mikono was not popular at all compared to Amata x Zessica and Kagura x Mikono who were very popular even though they're supposed to lose. So they switched gears and started tormenting Zessica and Kagura, and severely cut Zessica's screen time near the end(Since her mere presence was enough to invalidate the main pairing), than had them suddenly and out of characterly get over it in the last 5 minutes.

Since even after all this time Amata x Mikono is still unpopular up to the Finale. Thus only a sudden and unexplained character shift was the only way to burn the more popular ships so that the worst ship could make it to the finish line unopposed. Which I'm sure Kawamori never expected and is resentful that the destined pairing was so hated compared to every other pairing in Evol.

miketyson

2012-06-24, 18:56

Vena: I see it and I don't. I share your :confused: feeling for why (1) Zessica even exists and (2) why go to such lengths to show she's unhappy even in the finale...but even if you cut her out it just makes the lack of thematic coherency less obvious, and not really any less present.

It's getting back to the same issues you've raised a bunch of times: Amata and Kagura being the same person really weakens any fate-related distinction between the two of them, regardless of what the characters themselves have to say about their own reasons for doing things.

Sure, having Zessica out there working hard the way she did really pulls it into focus, but it's not like excising her from the plot would do anything much to fix the underlying lack-of-fate-related-distinction between Amata and Kagura vis-a-vis Mikono. (It would be possible to patch that up with better writing and so on, but I'm sticking to ceteris-paribus, no-more-Zessica...).

Some speculation in light of the ending: Remember way back when when we were arguing about whether or not Zessica (possibly unintentionally) pushed Mikono down the stairs that one time?...At this point, I'm wondering if her arc was conceived as that of making the painful journey from borderline-hurtful jealousy to mature, enlightened "I just want what's best for the person I love" love, except for whatever reason she became far too sympathetic and far too enlightened far too soon in the story...and then here we are, there she is, and everyone is :confused:

Not saying that's a *good* concept for her or her arc, but wondering if that might be the story arc she started out on before getting struck by bad writing and bad ideas?

KleenexGhost

2012-06-24, 18:58

Vena: I see it and I don't. I share your :confused: feeling for why (1) Zessica even exists and (2) why go to such lengths to show she's unhappy even in the finale...but even if you cut her out it just makes the lack of thematic coherency less obvious, and not really any less present.

It's getting back to the same issues you've raised a bunch of times: Amata and Kagura being the same person really weakens any fate-related distinction between the two of them, regardless of what the characters themselves have to say about their own reasons for doing things.

Sure, having Zessica out there working hard the way she did really pulls it into focus, but it's not like excising her from the plot would do anything much to fix the underlying lack-of-fate-related-distinction between Amata and Kagura vis-a-vis Mikono. (It would be possible to patch that up with better writing and so on, but I'm sticking to ceteris-paribus, no-more-Zessica...).

Some speculation in light of the ending: Remember way back when when we were arguing about whether or not Zessica Mikono down the stairs that one time?...At this point, I'm wondering if her arc was conceived as that of making the painful journey from borderline-hurtful jealousy to mature, enlightened "I just want what's best for the person I love" love, except for whatever reason she became far too sympathetic and far too enlightened far too soon in the story...and then here we are, there she is, and everyone is :confused:

Not saying that's a *good* concept for her or her arc, but wondering if that might be the story arc she started out on before getting struck by bad writing and bad ideas?

That is a good point. Like you said, wasn't executed well.

SABER60069

2012-06-24, 19:14

The episode felt like it was trying to ignore all the bad writing that happened before and just focus on awesome mech fights and hot blood

Everyone had turned likable in this episode but of course the only way to fix terrible characters is to change their characters all of a sudden

Everything about how Kagura was thought to have killed their parents is ignored and how Mykage was actually responsible was never known

Kagura suddenly changed to a likable character despite being an all out jerk before and within the span of a few minutes begins to agree with Amata's loving Mikono now thing.

At very least they didn't go with the whole making Amata and Kagura one again so Mikono doesn't have to choose thing and I appreciate that, and Mikono herself wasn't as annoying as she was in other episodes and clearly chooses Amata that redeems her to a certain extent for me.

All in all, everything seems like a cop-out it's like all of a sudden someone who is actually competent came in at episode 26 looked at it and said "What the hell have you done with this mess!?" and hastily tries to fix it ASAP but couldn't do it completely so he had to change character personalities to make them likable and ignore or quickly resolve plotlines that can't be done properly

Basically I find this episode very good but due to the horrible previous episodes it is far from perfect and seems like a hasty patchwork episode but if you give yourself selective memory it becomes a perfect episode with a perfect ending and that's what I'm going to do...I don't wanna remember previous horrible writing anyway.

HiiroKun

2012-06-24, 19:32

Well aren't you easy to please.:twitch:

-- Well as long as AmataxMikono pairing is finalized..YES. that's all to me :D
OR, :eyebrow:Let there be a OVA where Zezzica finally gets what she wants..:rolleyes:

HiiroKun

2012-06-24, 19:37

Just watched the RAW... No clue what they were saying but I say I'm quite satisfied though the sweetness between Amata x Mikono invited only few ants....:heh:

Guess I won my bet....

Glad Andy could grasp Mix with two full hands again!;)

Zessica could have her happiness with Kagura.... THey might have already realized that they can't break the "Useless Pair".

I wish for an OVA for Amata x Mikono...:heh:

Love you Amata x Mikono!!!!!

Hahah, Yeah thumbs up GenjiiChan !!:D

mayumi

2012-06-24, 19:50

KleenexGhost

2012-06-24, 19:51

Look, we all knew that the ending wasn't going to please everybody. Some people like it and some people don't like it. I stated how I felt earlier.

Mayumi That reminds me, Sirius never got his due.

Faerie

2012-06-24, 20:08

You know Zessica could really be reika but it is never stated for sure. Her suffering would make sense cause she is actually waiting for sirius or glen and that stupid reika's curse still effects her even this timeline.

Well that would suck, considering it was implied that the Sirius part of Celiane's soul merged back with the Silvia part. It follows that Sirius is no more...
Zessica: forever alone :(

Vena

2012-06-24, 21:02

In and of itself, in a complete and total void, this episode has all the qualities to be good: it was entertaining, it had great action and production budget, the characters rallying together to beat the common big bad, the hero saving the princess, the rival supporting the hero. But... when you strip away the black drapes and put in context with the rest of the show, it's kind of hollow. This was like a salvaging attempt and while it was good within itself it just doesn't really do anything on the whole and it does come off as rushed.

Kagura in this episode is a different character from Kagura in the last episode or any other for that matter. Its a different person entirely: he's suddenly not completely single-minded, he's suddenly supportive, he's suddenly ok with giving up when MINUTES before (in universe time) he was willing to watch Altair fall to pieces rather than give up, but... he's, once again, a plot device. And that summarizes his character or lack thereof, he's so inconsequential that his entire character motif can and was flipped on its head just to *round off* a loose end and the plot.

Zessica is... a mess. There's not even a conclusion to her character, she's just left in a state of *unrequited love* and the show makes no effort to try and change this, explain it (why was it necessary in the first place), or do much of anything with it. It was, much like Kagura, a plot device for Mykage's ascension that was dropped the moment it stopped being relevant. In one minute, she went from not having appeared for two episodes and broken down completely, to Mykage somehow being inconvenienced by Kagura being... there, somehow. And so Mykage, much like the plot, dumped her out of the Aquarion. What an unceremonious conclusion, and you would have thought after all the hulabaloo of turning her body into a makeshift-him... something more would have happened.

In fact, many, many things were just left in the air or dropped entirely after being the *plot device for the moment*.

Kaioshin Sama

2012-06-24, 21:07

Yeah, I'm glad I dropped this. :heh: For that matter, I'm not watching anymore 2-cour original shows, or really, any original anime if I can help it. They always end up with severely wasted potential and dishonest, confused writing.
So thank you, EVOL, for making me bitter again.

Man I don't think it has anything to do with being original series, there's just been a rash of REALLY shitty mecha ones of late, again mostly produced by this very company Satelight, but also with a little help from Bones and I.G. It's really depressing because usually I love mecha originals, they're like my bread and butter of anime watching, and they just haven't been cutting it lately on account of the total slipshod writing and lack of focus that you mention. I also agree actually that they feel totally dishonest and like the writers couldn't really care less how much sense they make or how enjoyable the characters and their interactions are.

Really hoping this is the last of the bad stuff when it comes to mecha originals.

KleenexGhost

2012-06-24, 21:10

In and of itself, in a complete and total void. This episode has all the qualities to be good: it was entertaining, it had great action and production budget, the characters rallying together to beat the common big bad, the hero saving the princess, the rival supporting the hero. But... when you strip away the black drapes and put in context with the rest of the show, it's kind of hollow. This was like a salvaging attempt and while it was good within itself it just doesn't really do anything on the whole and it does come off as rushed.

Kagura in this episode is a different character from Kagura in the last episode or any other for that matter. Its a different person entirely: he's suddenly not completely single-minded, he's suddenly supportive, he's suddenly ok with giving up when MINUTES before (in universe time) he was willing to watch Altair fall to pieces rather than give up, but... he's, once again, a plot device. And that summarizes his character or lack thereof, he's so inconsequential that his entire character motif can and was flipped on its head just to *round off* a loose end and the plot.

Zessica is... a mess. There's not even a conclusion to her character, she's just left in a state of *unrequited love* and the show makes no effort to try and change this, explain it (why was it necessary in the first place), or do much of anything with it. It was, much like Kagura, a plot device for Mykage's ascension that was dropped the moment it stopped being relevant. In one minute, she went from not having appeared for two episodes and broken down completely, to Mykage somehow being inconvenienced by Kagura being... there, somehow. And so Mykage, much like the plot, dumped her out of the Aquarion. What an unceremonious conclusion, and you would have thought after all the hulabaloo of turning her body into a makeshift-him... something more would have happened.

In fact, many, many things were just left in the air or dropped entirely after being the *plot device for the moment*.

I agree with everything you said. It felt like the writers knew that even though series was disappointing, they might as well try to make the end entertaining.

sky black swordman

2012-06-24, 21:28

Vena

2012-06-24, 21:30

I agree with everything you said. It felt like the writers knew that even though series was disappointing, they might as well try to make the end entertaining.

I want to think of it that way but the fallout on the characters and the writing in general hadn't come up until well past the halfway point of the show. This may well have been the ending we were always meant to get but they expected us to... care? I cared more about the side characters stepping up to the plate than the central romance that *magically* (and rather completely inexplicably) saved the world. But the way the most poorly handled characters literally changed on a dime between Ep. 25 and Ep. 26... I'm left wondering.

Thess

2012-06-24, 21:34

Some speculation in light of the ending: Remember way back when when we were arguing about whether or not Zessica (possibly unintentionally) pushed Mikono down the stairs that one time?...At this point, I'm wondering if her arc was conceived as that of making the painful journey from borderline-hurtful jealousy to mature, enlightened "I just want what's best for the person I love" love, except for whatever reason she became far too sympathetic and far too enlightened far too soon in the story...and then here we are, there she is, and everyone is :confused:

Not saying that's a *good* concept for her or her arc, but wondering if that might be the story arc she started out on before getting struck by bad writing and bad ideas?

Zessica's power doesn't work like that. It's mostly bending and twisting things not tk. That was a typical Mikono is so helpless moe scene.

But on the plus side I got to see what Mikono looks like with her hair down .
She looks better like that.
Well that opinion.

Who else thinks she looks better with hair like that?

I must be the only one who prefers her hair tied up. With her hair down, she looks too generic.

miketyson

2012-06-24, 21:38

Vena

2012-06-24, 21:48

Vena: I wonder how long it'll be before people start spouting the theory that once the first volume sales data started to come in they abandoned the "deconstruction"/"troll" ending they had planned for this ending...for reasons we'll never know? Something analogous to the fan theory that they made a last-minute decision to remove a definitive romantic end to Frontier's triangle in order to maintain interest in the movies?

Not that I believe it, and not that it's even exactly analogous, but just saying...seems like a fan theory people could get behind, maybe.

I'm sticking to the theory that "no one involved at the directorial / senior-planning level even really cared that much, so different chunks reflect the different involved authors'/storyboarders'/etc. biases without a unifying vision to curtail that editorializing".

The conspiracies are a bit silly.

I honestly think that they were simply inept. All of them. When the creative mind behind the show (Kawamori) has to come out and explain to you that many people have misconstrued his main heroine, something is amiss somewhere in production. Either your writers are incompetent or the creative mind is an idiot, or both. They threw in whatever they thought was *cool* and *poignant* never wondering how the pieces came together, like throwing lego blocks at a pile of lego blocks and expecting a building to form.

Just look at Mykage's defeat: a heart. That's all it took. Amata just had to shout and Kagura needed to be some other person all of a sudden, and bam! Mykage has been defeated by a heart (Fudo did nothing). All of the world's problems? Robot tears. Why couldn't the robot cry in Genesis and have this mess never occur? Who the hell knows. They introduced thing that were *cool* but that make no sense in the grander continuity.

And Mikono? I remember when her being a person and making decisions was important. I also remember when Jin was alive and Yunoha wasn't a broken record. Somewhere along the way, though, Jin died and so did the show. And, in the end, I have no explanation as to why Mikono set out on her journey in Ep. 19 without confessing aside from because the ending wouldn't have been as magical. Its onerous, in retrospect, how they tell you *here it is* but prevent the characters from doing anything, making the characters look worse for the sake of some carebear attack in the last episode. :heh:

mayumi

2012-06-24, 21:56

Hmm care bare stare? aquarion crying was hilarious as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHjd9oq4Am4

Zuul

2012-06-24, 21:59

Another complain : horrible sexism. Horrible.

Mikono didn't even made a decision, she was just a fucking prize for the MC to claim. What about her feelings ? No one gives a shit because it's not important : "she's just a girl" (ditto Amata is episode 1).

Bleh.

And of course she has to be made a completetelly useless DID to the very end.

miketyson

2012-06-24, 22:07

Vena: I find fan theories interesting insofar as the ones that become popular tend to encapsulate interesting aspects of audience reaction to a production that typically can't be expressed much more concisely than as, well, silly fan theories without much grounding in reality. Not a big advocator or believer in them personally, but as a fan of all kinds of folklore I find them interesting.

If you really want to start a fan theory: You'd point out that almost all of the action sequences once Zessica's rescued become very "girl-agnostic", especially compared to, say, Frontier, which had a huge visual commitment what with the giant floating space Ranka and the battle-bridge-stage Sheryl arrangement. It'd be relatively easy to re-cut the finale with Mikono-Zessica in reversed roles, if you were motivated to do so.

That's enough fuel for that fire, just something else I noticed at the time (the lack of Mikono-Amata interaction until the last few minutes...but even things like Mykage not being in-frame or even in the same scene with Mikono when they're shot by the love-arrow....). I figure it has more to do with writing and overall animation budget issues. EDIT: and also a lot to do with Mikono having been written into having almost *no* active role in the finale's action sequences whatsoever.

Moving on: Mykage's "defeat" is actually one of the few moments that seemed perfectly right to me...a villain like that can't really be "beaten" so much as "humiliated" or "forced to lose dignity", and that defeat delivered on that tactic in spades. The whole sequence just makes me laugh so much. I don't mind stuff like robot tears healing the planets because by the time you have planets colliding and breaking apart it's going to be some kind of magic ending anyways, and robot tears are at least goofy enough to make me chuckle at the absurdity of it all.

And Kawamori's interview? Based on what he had to say and how things wound up turning out, I can only conclude that the man either didn't care, isn't all there anymore, or is someone like Lucas (someone whose good instincts are drowned out by his bad instincts unless he's kept on a tight leash, which he hasn't been for awhile...).

And yeah, Mikono in the finale? I stick with the "each writer / story-boarder had a pretty free hand to put their own spin on the episodes they worked on as long as they hit the key plot points the big outline required. Wasn't this another Okada episode? It sure felt like it, because whenever she's writing she goes out of her way to deprive Mikono of agency, usefulness, and all that...and there's no one who cares enough to stop her, apparently, or even keep it consistent from week to week.

KleenexGhost

2012-06-24, 22:11

I want to think of it that way but the fallout on the characters and the writing in general hadn't come up until well past the halfway point of the show. This may well have been the ending we were always meant to get but they expected us to... care? I cared more about the side characters stepping up to the plate than the central romance that *magically* (and rather completely inexplicably) saved the world. But the way the most poorly handled characters literally changed on a dime between Ep. 25 and Ep. 26... I'm left wondering.

Same here. The ending was looked pretty and the action was good but I just didn't care about Amata saving Mikono. The whole victory through the power of love thing was cheesy to say the least. The sudden changes that Kagura and Zessica experienced reek of bad writing. In the end it's a pretty, production value wise, ending and that's it.

miketyson

2012-06-24, 22:12

mayumi: somehow that's incredibly creepy.

Zuul

2012-06-24, 22:15

Vena: I find fan theories interesting insofar as the ones that become popular tend to encapsulate interesting aspects of audience reaction to a production that typically can't be expressed much more concisely than as, well, silly fan theories without much grounding in reality. Not a big advocator or believer in them personally, but as a fan of all kinds of folklore I find them interesting.

If you really want to start a fan theory: You'd point out that almost all of the action sequences once Zessica's rescued become very "girl-agnostic", especially compared to, say, Frontier, which had a huge visual commitment what with the giant floating space Ranka and the battle-bridge-stage Sheryl arrangement. It'd be relatively easy to re-cut the finale with Mikono-Zessica in reversed roles, if you were motivated to do so.

That's enough fuel for that fire, just something else I noticed at the time (the lack of Mikono-Amata interaction until the last few minutes...but even things like Mykage not being in-frame or even in the same scene with Mikono when they're shot by the love-arrow....). I figure it has more to do with writing and overall animation budget issues.

Moving on: Mykage's "defeat" is actually one of the few moments that seemed perfectly right to me...a villain like that can't really be "beaten" so much as "humiliated" or "forced to lose dignity", and that defeat delivered on that tactic in spades. The whole sequence just makes me laugh so much. I don't mind stuff like robot tears healing the planets because by the time you have planets colliding and breaking apart it's going to be some kind of magic ending anyways, and robot tears are at least goofy enough to make me chuckle at the absurdity of it all.

And Kawamori's interview? Based on what he had to say and how things wound up turning out, I can only conclude that the man either didn't care, isn't all there anymore, or is someone like Lucas (someone whose good instincts are drowned out by his bad instincts unless he's kept on a tight leash, which he hasn't been for awhile...).

And yeah, Mikono in the finale? I stick with the "each writer / story-boarder had a pretty free hand to put their own spin on the episodes they worked on as long as they hit the key plot points the big outline required. Wasn't this another Okada episode? It sure felt like it, because whenever she's writing she goes out of her way to deprive Mikono of agency, usefulness, and all that...and there's no one who cares enough to stop her, apparently, or even keep it consistent from week to week.

As some say Fudou was Kawamori's self insert, one can assume than Mykage and his obvious distate for Mikono is Okada's.:heh:

Amata Sora

2012-06-24, 22:20

That was beautiful :’)
finally a good Aquarion ending
NOW! For the OVA
*realizes that there is no longer anything to watch*
anyone have any suggestions???
And did that trailer at the end look like an Aquarion movie to you?:twitch:
PLEASE NO MOVIE:uhoh:
(unless its another 12,000 yrs into the future of 24,000 yrs into the past:D)
AND
by good I meant only one death
NEW RECORD AQ
Hey, does anyone know if the light novel/manga has a alternate ending?

Amata Sora

2012-06-24, 22:36

So now Evol and Solar/Ancient are one....
MAKING IT AQUARION LOVE XD

bakAnki

2012-06-24, 23:18

Watched the RAW. As I said, since I'm a sucker for happy ending, this end is really nice, I like it. Ancient's Buddha palms, Crea joins the fight, Geparda, 4 original casts cameo, Donar and Suomi gets together (I wonder what Suomi whispered to him :naughty:), Zessica's back to her bright personality, Kagura's helping (though yeah, why the sudden change? o.O), Zessica and Kagura interaction, Andy & Mix finally together (granted it's not really mixed gattai for Andy but he finally did it with Mix; and her big bang is back too, I assume it's the miracle of LOVE's tears too? :heh:), and of course the main pair finally together, plus it's kinda happy end for Mykage too since he finally finds his warmth inside Fudonius's body...... and Bag-tan without her bag! :heh:

I'll just take it that Zessica's sad face on the group photo is because she was worry Amata and Mikono haven't back yet, since when she saw LOVE with them are back she's smiling again XP

So despite all the WTF-ness and its flaws, EVOL still manages to entertain me. Probably won't rewatch it anytime soon but at the very least, I'll keep listen to Kimi no Shinwa and Eve no Danpen :D

By the way I always laugh everytime Amata shouts "MIKONO-SAAAAN" this episode XD At least Mikono respond with her "AMATA-KUUUN", and Mykage joins the fun with "Apollonius, Apollonius, Apollonius, APOLLONIUUUUUUS" too :heh:

FLCL

2012-06-24, 23:26

Terrible.

http://www.natzraya.org/Articles/Appetizer/gladiatordown.jpg

sky black swordman

2012-06-24, 23:47

Oh yeah I forgot something how is mikono going to react to the fact that Zessica beat her to the punch and kissed Amata first. And it was his first kiss too.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-25, 00:49

First confession too. Those first things sealed the deal for poor Zessica. If she was as useless as Mikono and didn't say how she felt than maybe Amata wouldn't have taken her for granted. Amata, or at least Evol made him out to be, is the type that wants to protect and make the decisions for his woman. Since Zessica can take care of herself and isn't as dumb as a block means she's a huge turn off because she isn't high maintenance which is a must.

Apparently.:rolleyes:

Zuul

2012-06-25, 01:19

KleenexGhost

2012-06-25, 02:09

Credit goes to Tenka Seiha

http://tenka.seiha.org/2012/06/aquarion-evol-26-evol-is-love-backwards/

pagan poor

2012-06-25, 02:14

Dang, Zessica and Kagura were done dirty. I guess this is what happens when all you're doing is trolling the audience, it just ends up a mess.

Misslaly

2012-06-25, 02:15

Destined_Fate

2012-06-25, 02:39

It seems that Evol will have to wait far longer to get in a SRW game. Since I just remembered that Touma confirms that Apollo in Z Verse is Apollonius(This was before the troll reveal that Evol gave us) and releases his grudge. At the end of Z the Aquarion is sealed but Touma senses that Apollonius(Apollo) will be needed to confront the true Big Bad(Baal) that he unseals Aquarion in Z Special Disk so that Apollonius(Apollo) and co. can fight. So no Evol for Z3 unless they do another World jump which was a given anyway(12,000 years). Though they have way too many things to do on the ZEXIS planet(Mostly movies of current series) that another planet jump isn't feasible.

Also, those that has seen the OVA. Anyone notice how contradictory it was to the series? Apollonius had Scorpius there with them because the love between Celiane and him was too great to control. Which Apollo than remembers, and confirms, that he's Apollonius(After they destroy the world on accident because of the love between Apollonius(Apollo) and Celiane(Silvia)) and explains why Reika is needed to remake the world - to keep the love of the destined lovers in check. Yet in the series Apollo is inside the Aquarion with both Celiane halves and things go find.

The OVA also makes no sense if Apollo = Pollon since a lot of the flashbacks literally didn't have Pollon in them at all. Especially the Apollonius and Scorpious Flashbacks.

Good to see I'm not the only one to notice the very obnoxious sexism here.

Well, I've watched anime since I was a kid. I can't help it when I see stuff like that happening(Which is sad because it shows that a lot in the Anime industry have learned nothing from the past). Though to be fair they didn't even try and hide the sexism at all in this over the better treatment given to Useless Mikono and all the abuse thrown at Useful Zessica.

FLCL

2012-06-25, 03:22

Zessica/Kagura? What? Granted they are both much more badass than their counterparts, but talk about pulling one out of your ass.

Best part of the episode by far was Andy finally getting the chance to combine with Mix

Dissix

2012-06-25, 03:25

Great episode but I feel there a few unresolved issues with Kagura and Zessica.

But on the plus side I got to see what Mikono looks like with her hair down .
She looks better like that.
Well that opinion.

Who else thinks she looks better with hair like that?

To be honest I reminds me of sylive :P i think its what they were going for with her hair down. but she does look better like that

Dissix

2012-06-25, 03:46

Anyone know the name of the song they played during the credits at the end of the show?

Shinji103

2012-06-25, 03:55

Anyone know the name of the song they played during the credits at the end of the show?It was Genesis of Aquarion. Not to be confused with Sousei no Aquarion (which translates to Genesis of Aquarion), the actual 1st series OP. One title being in Japanese and the other being in English is intended to tell you the difference, since Sousei is fully Japanese and Genesis has English lyrics in it.

As for the episode, I went into this series rooting for AmataxMikono, so I'm damn satisfied enough seeing it happen with no Okada True Tears trolling or Kawamori bittersweet split-ups for the heck of it. It was enough to let me watch the series go with enough of a smile.

Despite all the flaws this series had in the latter part of it, I wouldn't mind seeing a movie/OVA alternate retelling/alternate universe somewhere down the line.

NeoChan

2012-06-25, 04:03

This is ridiculous. How come the poll says that Aquarion EVOL has more positive feedbacks while majority of the posters here says negatively?:eyebrow:

DragoonKain3

2012-06-25, 04:11

No bittersweet ending? What is this witchcraft? Who kidnapped Kawamori and replaced him with a clone? :heh:

Seriously speaking though, I think the direction towards a happy end is because of Okada. Hopefully their other collaboration will be as happy as this one. :)

Overall though, it wasn't too bad. While I still don't like Mikono as a heroine (seriously, what did she do for the entire series?), and I'm still WTF with Apollonius setting up his girlfriend with his dog in the original Aquarion, this season of Aquarion as a whole was still enjoyable. It had it's fun moments, sad scenes, and of course, over-the-top super robot action; was an enjoyable ride while it lasted.

Certainly not gonna be anywhere in the top of my list, but at least I didn't feel like I wasted my time like with the original Aquarion.

As for Zessica, I dunno, but the moment she gave Kagura a piece of his own medicine ("kuso otoko" indeed), something CLICKED in me. She might be depressed in the end with the group photos and all, but who's to say that her feeling won't change in the future. ;)

MikeFudo

2012-06-25, 04:50

Honestly I'm glad there was a happy ending and imo it wasn't so bad.
I just didn't like how Fudo (Apollonius) reacted in the end, I mean I thought he was in love with Celiane (Silvia/Mikono) but looks like he just doesn't give a buck.

Too bad they didn't tell much about Rena the chairman, though I hope to see some OVA about her, also another alternative story OVA wouldn't be a bad idea, the first once was really nice.

Since 1) there was a happy ending 2) the story wasn't so bad 3) I liked the drawing style of this anime and 4) the soundtrack was amazing, it's my favourite serie of the year (until now) and for me it deserves a 9/10.

Dissix

2012-06-25, 04:50

http://i.minus.com/id34CUcsvyZqq.gif
My favorite part of the whole show :], this scene did will with the music they put in from the original show

NoemiChan

2012-06-25, 04:54

This is ridiculous. How come the poll says that Aquarion EVOL has more positive feedbacks while majority of the posters here says negatively?:eyebrow:

Silent majority.:eyespin:

OMG_Zerg_Rush

2012-06-25, 05:00

Finally got around to watching the ep, it went the way i expected it to, like many i didn't like the way Zessica was left depressed but am i the only one who didn't like the fact that AQ got so big? i was looking forward to a fight like the one at the end of genesis with both Aquarions beating the crap out of each other instead AQ just used beam/fist spam without moving around all that much.
I really loved the first half of this show but when Jin died it felt like the show went with him.
Who knows maybe the directors cut may improve my opinion on the end but only time will tell (Still intend to buy the BD/DVD when they come out in Australia).

hai_san

2012-06-25, 05:06

LOL Aquarion LOVE !!! hahaha havent laugh so much in a long time. The Character developement was awfull for Amata, Zessica also Mikono but at least there was a somewhat happy ending for the show. I dont dont think there is that much to complain... Amata & Mikono, Mikage & Apollonius, Zessica & Kagura??? perhaps they will also get a happy end.

bastek66

2012-06-25, 05:30

You now realize this can be also Kagura
http://data.whicdn.com/images/30693443/049b2f70cdeb6b33b322c051178bb1a51339868073_full_la rge.jpg

OMG_Zerg_Rush

2012-06-25, 05:33

I just realized....after all this Amata and the others (except for Mikono) didn't know that Zessica had her body stolen and used by Mikage

NoemiChan

2012-06-25, 06:54

Two things that I'm still curious about this episode...

> Aquarion Love could cry?!
> Shu could fly?!

ReddyRedWolf

2012-06-25, 06:54

LOL I'm getting too old for this. Crea is Rena! The teleportation proved it.

The way I see it part of Apollo, Sirius and Touma's souls remained in the Aquarion. But part of Apollo and Touma reincarnated as they have issues.

It is similar to Apollonius death inside the Aquarion. His soul remained but part of it reincarnated into Fudo.

The big question is what is Crea? We know now she is in fact Rena. She's been alive long before the Great Incident that granted powers to Elements. Also she was the one who pointed Silvia to Apollo with a vision. (End of the OVA, Prologue of TV series)

Crea/Rena has been watching Fudo all these 24,000 years. Unlike Fudo she is proactive. Willing to unite with Aquarion pilots.

> Shu could fly?!

Definitely not a cat. I can't believe Shu is the third pilot for this chapter!

Whether its Apollonius and Celiane or Apollo and Silvia (OVA) their love could destroy the world without a third pilot to keep them grounded they should not destroy the world.

tootbrush

2012-06-25, 07:03

This is ridiculous. How come the poll says that Aquarion EVOL has more positive feedbacks while majority of the posters here says negatively?:eyebrow:
Those are the people that never took Aquarion seriously in the first place and were basically in it for the absurdity of it all, laughed at all the trolling in EVOL (and at the people on the forums overthinking it) and moved on. Since I'm one of them, I'm quite satisfied. The rage and tears of the Zessica fans were especially delicious.

Well, at least until the next Aquarion, starring Shush as the female protagonist and Celiane/Silvia/Mikono as the male one. It's gonna be a riot.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-25, 07:05

Man you're a real piece of work if you believe anyone is crying over what happened. Regardless, Evol was bad but there's always hope that Terada will fix it in the future. He has done these things before with great effect so even a trainwreck like Evol isn't beyond fixing when in the hands of someone who's competent.

And there wont be another Aquarion. The main player has left the stage and no one is left to replace them unless they decide to make Zessica into an all powerful pissed off goddess.

You now realize this can be also Kagura
http://data.whicdn.com/images/30693443/049b2f70cdeb6b33b322c051178bb1a51339868073_full_la rge.jpg

The losers settling for someone they don't know or care for because the main pairing decided they should troll it up, eh?:rolleyes:

bakAnki

2012-06-25, 07:19

Two things that I'm still curious about this episode...

> Aquarion Love could cry?!

Well, on the 'Ippatsu Gyakuten Hen' movie, the original Solar Aquarion could sing and its song make flowers and plants growth, so...... :heh:

GoldenLand

2012-06-25, 08:03

I've given this ep a 9. I adored this ep, but there were some weaknesses in the writing and a few problems carried over from previous eps that prevented me from giving it a 10.

What I liked:

- Mykage's mind has Escher stairs. Oh Mykage, so much style.
- SHRADE. Even dead, you bring sparkle to the series. Sparkly butterflies, even. So cool.
- Those Shrade/Cayenne moments were handled so well. I'm impressed.
- DEAR FRIENDS GATTAI!
- Yes, Shrade is just that cool. And Amata sounds so entranced by him that Cayenne should be worried that his dead man might get stolen.
- Crea in action just like Rena was! Yes!
- "You don't deserve to get killed over the likes of Amata." I don't dislike Amata, but Kagura was spot on there.
- As of part way through this ep, Zessica is no longer an angstbucket! YES. SHE SMILED! Cons: she turned cheerful again the very moment that the plot no longer required her to angst suicidally. That was cheap, and it makes all her angst before look even sillier than it already did. But I'll take it, since it means we have happy Zessica again.
- Silvia! Silvia showed up! And Apollo, Sirius and Toma!
- Mykage's angry? Oh no, he's bringing out the rainbow coloured feathers!
- Mykage got defeated by a Care Bear Stare. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
- Mikono and Amata were pretty cute together this ep (if subtracting the annoying name calling). I'm glad they got a good ending.
- I liked Apollonius' choice to take Mykage within himself. He's finally taking some action and some responsibility. Cons: It didn't sound very ship-worthy. More like the "Damn, I tried to get out of this, but I'd better clean up this Mykage-mess that my ex-fiance Toma left on the carpet."
- Fudo/Apollonius' troll there at the very end was glorious.

What I didn't like:
- Mykage gets a Buddha palm attack? He may be an angel, but he's no Buddha...
- All of this "Mikono-san!" "Amata-kun!" makes me feel as if I'm watching Fushigi Yuugi again.
- There were multiple very cheap shots of Zessica's boobs when she was stuck in that plant. Seemed disrespectful towards her. (Well, given the first op sequence where she gets introduced by waggling her bottom and jiggling her boobs at the camera, I suppose that should be expected of the animators for this series...Still annoying.)
- I honestly don't get why Kagura had so much of a change of heart. There was no reason for it that I could see.
- What is it with all the "reincarnations shouldn't be seen as the same person" stuff in Genesis, and then having Mikono apologise for everything Celiane and Silvia ever did? Yeesh.
- I am disappointed that we didn't get to see a Mikonokage.
- I'm also disappointed that most characters only played a token role in the resolution to the series. MIX and Andy just opened some holes, Kagura gave Amata a reverse-power boost, etc. But I suppose that was necessary for all the cast to get to do something, which also counts as a plus. (Sparkly butterfly Shrade is never a negative!)

I am beginning to think that the writers really hate women getting an active plot role. Zessica? Eaten by a damn great carnivorous plant in Mykage's mind, languishing naked and wishing for death. Mikono? Caught in a "violation gattai" then literally stuck as a window. A WINDOW. When you have to stick your female protagonists in carnivorous plants and turn them into windows in order to keep them from influencing the story, you have problems, Kawamori. Annoying. At least in Genesis Silvia and Reika got to do more, even though I think Silvia didn't get enough combat.

For a moment there, I was worried that we were going to get Mykage defeated by being talked out of it by Mikono. Thank goodness it didn't happen and we got an excellent conclusion brought in by Apollonius/Fudo instead.

What this ep did well was involve all of the cast members and give them a moment in the spotlight. I also loved seeing the ending where we find out how the characters are. So MIX is a girl again? Maybe Kagura used his reverse powers. I liked seeing all the cast together and happy. Until this ep, I think EVOL had been suffering from not making the cast feel like a big group working together. But many characters managed to work together this time.

One thing I liked about this ep in regard to Amata and Mikono, and which I wish there had been more focus on, is the way that their previous lives have been influencing them in this one. This ep had Amata thinking that the abandonment he went through was so he could learn how he/Apollo made Sylvia feel. And although it wasn't stated, we might be able to infer that one of the reasons behind Mikono's constant guilt and lack of confidence is because of what Sylvia may have seen as her role in sending Apollo and her brother off to sacrifice their lives. This should have been explored with more nuance.

So, we probably have a future Zessica/Kagura end? They seemed to get along well. Kagura seems to value Zessica, and Zessica seemed happy when interacting with him this ep. Good for them, if so. Although I still, still don't understand why Kagura has changed so much. Maybe it's because Mykage's gone? He did have a vast negative impact on the kid. Anyway, Zess/Kag seems like a pair the spares sort of move, but then, EVOL never had proper love triangles anyway, and it's hardly the weakest writing move EVOL's pulled.

The art was gorgeous, there was plenty of good music, and there was finally a resolution to Mykage's angst and many plot points. It was a good, fun ep overall, and watching EVOL has been plenty of fun. I'll have to buy the English subbed DVDs. I'm very happy with the conclusion to the series. I would have much preferred if the staff made a number of changes to the pacing and characterisation of EVOL, but the last few eps were satisfactory.

The ending was also sufficiently cheesy, and we finally got to have the Aquarion LOVE that we all knew was coming from the beginning. :)

Zuul

2012-06-25, 08:19

Triple_R

2012-06-25, 08:23

Wow... I never thought I'd ever see an anime top Mai HiME for most ridiculously inappropriate complete happy ending, but this one did it. :heh:

... You gotta love the total nonsense of Kagura and Zessica turning into Amata/Mikono shippers. :heh:

Maybe Fudo slipped them some strong mild-altering drugs off-screen during this episode, because otherwise, both just quitting on (and easily getting over) the respective object of their affections is one of the biggest asspulls I've ever seen. I'd almost like to think that they did it simply due to Kagura and Zessica having love at first sight for each other, but they have met (outside of mechas) at least two or three times before. Briefly, but still.

I will say this, though - Aside from how they clearly wrote themselves into a corner with Kagura and Zessica, the rest of this episode was pretty great. I mean, presuming they had their heart set on Amata/Mikono from the very beginning, this is the best possible job they could have done of salvaging it at this point.

Short of a plot-twisty ending, I don't think they could have done a better job... but that also speaks to how they wrote themselves into a nasty corner with the love quadrangle, where the only way to make it work is have Kagura and Zessica go through almost hilariously bad characterization change in the very last episode.

But for a salvaging operation, I guess this might be the best they could do.

I'll give it 7/10. It was a fun watch, anyway.

mayumi

2012-06-25, 08:26

I don't know the reason kagura does a 180 degree turn. does he know and feel something about zessica that we don't know yet? it is just pretty strange. eh whatever.

Zuul

2012-06-25, 08:31

I don't know the reason kagura does a 180 degree turn. does he know and feel something about zessica that we don't know yet? it is just pretty strange. eh whatever.

Be happy the asspull gives Zessica and Kagura a good end.

In the end, they serve no other purpose than making the main characters and romance look like crap. And Zessica to satisfy Kawamori's hate for Chinese girls with her pointless love martyr.

Is there still original shows with consistent plots and characterizations and an end that makes sense ?

GoldenLand

2012-06-25, 08:39

^ You shouldn't put Zessica and Mikono in the same category.

When it comes to be useful and not looking like helpless crap, Mikono really gets nothing good.

Now, I'm more than convinced Okada doesn't like her, because she didn't do
jackshit in the finale in spite of very OP and trollish ability.

In a way she's the character with the crappier end.

I agree that Mikono gets the worst treatment in terms of agency overall, but Zessica still got bodysnatched for several episodes, and ended up helpless and only able to watch and ask Kagura to kill her, until Mykage decided he didn't need her body any more. And that was only because Kagura throttled her for a little while. I didn't like it. Here, viewers, Kagura who is allowed to do such things as running and moving, will meet Mikono the window! And now, he will meet Zessica the human fly caught in a flytrap!...It didn't look good all together like that. The main two female characters were firmly put in the category where they were unable to do anything on their own. Mikono didn't even seem to be conscious.

Mikono got the bad end of the deal in that she never got the opportunity to do anything much. She was always put in situations where she had no means of taking action. It's not really her fault as a character, because she has tried to do things, only to get blocked. I had been expecting Kawamori to include something at the last minute, but even then, Mikono was only allowed to take action with Amata's help. Disappointing. They didn't even give her a token at the end. I think the Amata-Mikono stuff this ep was quite sweet, or some of it was, but the writers really let us down in terms of allowing Mikono agency. It seemed as if the message was partially "Mikono! You should stop trying to do things yourself! To succeed we have to work together!" It's cute to have the power of love making people strong and all, but before then, characters should have the opportunity to stand on their own feet.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-25, 08:44

That asspull didn't give them a good end. The losers hooking up together because they lost isn't a good end at all especially when Zessica and Kagura never interacted before this episode. Up to this point Kagura was an enemy that has killed innocents and who Zessica has tried to take out more than once on the battlefield. This is just their way to forcibly push those two out of the way so there's no other better options to get in the way of the main pair.

It also cheapens Zessica's love because even though she was interested in Amata at the start she didn't fall in love with him until after she got to know him. Her suddenly going for the mass murderer and abductor just because he's part Amata is stupid and a very horrible asspull since it means they can say she "Technically" got with Amata only she didn't. Which ignores the reasons why she fell in love with Amata, reasons that Kagura has shown to lack in every angle.

Zuul

2012-06-25, 08:52

I think the Amata-Mikono stuff this ep was quite sweet, or some of it was, but the writers really let us down in terms of allowing Mikono agency. It seemed as if the message was partially "Mikono! You should stop trying to do things yourself! To succeed we have to work together!" It's cute to have the power of love making people strong and all, but before then, characters should have the opportunity to stand on their own feet.

I think the message is nastier than that :
Don't try to be useful Mikono, now your dear BF is going to take charge for everything. Just look pretty, that's enough.

Difficult to admit that in these days and ages.

GoldenLand

2012-06-25, 09:11

Thinking about it more, Apollonius turned out to be a real jerk, didn't he? It took him this long to take action himself about Mykage/Toma. Mykage wouldn't have happened in the first place if he hadn't trolled Toma into thinking Apollo was him. And Apollonius was more or less using Silvia/Mikono, Apollo/Amata and various other cast members as his tools.

I think the message is nastier than that :
Don't try to be useful Mikono, now your dear BF is going to take charge for everything. Just look pretty, that's enough.

:( You may be right about that.

Mikono's agency progression through the series:
- She started out liking Amata because they were a "useless pair", but already wanted to change herself into someone stronger.
-When she found out Amata had superpowers and wasn't "useless", her confidence was knocked.
- She decided that she wanted to be strong and not need protecting, and started to participate properly in fights.
- Occasionally she gets picked up and hauled around by Kagura, who is able to do so because Mikono's physically weak and has no combat element power.
- But in the special grave training, she finds her nerve and stands up for the others, going against Fudo. This looks good! Character development!
- When MIX is caught, she's the only one who is willing to strike out on her own and bring back Fudo.Wonderful, she's getting character development and progression that shows the difference between her at the start of the series and now. Maybe she will get to do stuff. This looks good! She's taking independent action.
- ...Right up until the point where, so that Kagura and Amata can fight over her, the writers put her on a tall object she has no means of getting down from, making sure she can't do anything but call. Which she does.
- Then she gets kidnapped and is unconscious for a while.
- Then she is lugged about by Kagura and has to help pilot the mecha with him and Zessikage, because Altair wants Eve.
- Then Zessikage forces her into a gattai and turns her into a window...
- Then Fudo shows up, gives her plot exposition...
- And then she gets interrupted from taking independent action by Amata.

Her character development isn't bad, but right at the point where she ought to be showing off that development, the writers don't give her any chance to use it. It's one of the worst writing choices on the show. From the point after the legendary Aquarion shows up and she's fought over, she's not given any real choices as a character.

Zuul

2012-06-25, 09:21

^^ She didn't even have a say in her own love life.

demeaning treatment to the very end.

mayumi

2012-06-25, 09:22

I think the message is nastier than that :
Don't try to be useful Mikono, now your dear BF is going to take charge for everything. Just look pretty, that's enough.

Difficult to admit that in these days and ages.

it really is. it just pisses me off. she is pretty and needs to be protected, can't do anything by her little old self.

but zessica really got the worse treatment. heck even kagura felt bad for her and he was the only one to tell amata that he made zessica cry and that zessica dying for someone like amata is not worth it. how insane. they could have done something there if they didn't write kagura and zessica like plot devices to change at their convenience.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-25, 09:24

I'm guessing that Gen was just angry that he's supposed to do nothing but serve as a guide. So I'm sure he was more than happy that Apollo died and didn't end up with his reincarnated lover even if he had long since discarded her for not being the Celiane he fell in love with 12,000(24,000? Considering the OVA...) years ago. Or that Gen was never supposed to be Apollonius anyway, the OVA especially where Apollo was undeniably Apollonius there.

Sad that Apollonius was the only one that didn't bother with the reincarnated lovers things when he saw how things turned out in the next cycle. While Apollo didn't learn that even if you reincarnate in another life the one you loved in the past life wont be the same in a new life. Such as Silvia being way different than the useless Mikono. I'm guessing the merging of Silvia and Sirius somehow made Mikono useless instead of a badass.

MUAHAHAHAHAHA

2012-06-25, 09:32

I am very bothered by Donar's reaction when Suomi whispers something to him. Did they do it and Suomi conceives? Crea's earlier comment about them being Adam and Eve certainly alludes to them engaging in ^&&^&(*%$.

Now for the ending, at the very least, Zessica is not dead. For that alone, and also for Amata's rather badass look when he reappears with Mikono, I gave this episode a rating of 7.

bastek66

2012-06-25, 09:42

i am very bothered by donar's reaction when suomi whispers something to him. Did they do it and suomi conceives? Crea's earlier comment about them being adam and eve certainly alludes to them engaging in ^&&^&(*%$.
"T-The Test c-came out positive!?".

frubam

2012-06-25, 10:02

Despite hating the last few episodes, the latter half of this one was pretty....Aquarion-ish :heh:, which is a good thing(i.e. giant robot fighting full of emotions). They also upped the animation quality during the last half, so it was nice from a visual perspective.

However, the whole Kagura/Zessi thing was kinda out of nowhere, and while it's nice to get a hint at the coupling, it greatly loses it's value when, as someone else said, their love targets change on a dime =0\.

The biggest thing though that I disliked in this series is the Amata/Mikono romance. It didn't really feel as if they actually worked for it for some reason. It was just...there, esp compared to the original(which I won't get into, since this is not the thread for comparisons).

Auron Requies

2012-06-25, 10:05

Aquarion Evol end was no where near perfect. But it was definitely a fun series that I'd place together with Sousei/Genesis, landing in my "favourties shelf" within my mind. Reactions are pretty well mixed, some absolutely still completely loving this, and haters absolutely hating. Mine would have be to be 75% former and 25% latter. Starting with the disappointments, some plot giving in the beggining haven't been resolved

- Cayenne's 'wedding' vision of Kagura and Mikono implication never really came to past, or rather, what was the point? Maybe the future changed or Cayenne's elemental powers are effected by his will (since we seen how he's leveled up he's control with it after episode 14). Point being: there's no real explanation about this.

- Fudo is Apollonius, but I'd like to know more on the reason for his actions. We know he's a good guy, an eccentric mentor. But I'd like to see more the reasons on why he is doing what he is doing now. Sure we can figure he's defending the world, his action indicate this.

But why like this? We know he's Apollonius, but why no real "Heart" connection back when he interacted with both Slyvia and Mikono since they are part Celliane's. He's always talked to them like a teacher, and I guess I can go with the "He has and always will love Cellianne because she is Cellianne, Slyvia and Mikono may be her reincarnate(s), but they are different people" but I'd like to see him actually talk about it, explain this.

- Then theres Pollon, oh boy, I think we all got turned off by the idea that these 12000 7+ years, our main protagonist of Aquarion, Apollo and Amata (and by extension Kagura) are reincarnation of a Winged Dog. Yes, he's a "Shadow Angel" but I've never since him talk, and its hard to tell if he's treated as a companion or an actual pet. Regardless, while this did seem like a good "no one will see this coming twist" the results have been mixed since it felt so retconned...And Gen/Zen/Apollonius doesn't seem to mind but please, show us 'why' or let him explain.

- Its great that Mix got her body back to original form, but HOW? Was it natural since she's not on Altair anymore? How would be a great start

The biggest con were were lack of plot explanations. A part of me wished that they added the Pollon reincarnate line was actually a "fusion" of both Pollon and Apollinus souls, the parts that loved Celiane as both parties love for her was so strong that they resulted to this. It would also explain why Apollo/Amata/Kagura seemingly can use Aquarion with it's "Wings of the Sun" and Fudo himself may be the warrior/defender of mankides side of Apollonius hence his attitude. Heck they never really explained how Apollo/Amata can use the wings of the sun, unless Amata's 'wings on the feet = wings of the sun" is just subjective, but he was still key in returning Aquarion to it's true form. And why does Apollonius have Fudo, when there is also the fact that Aquarion is a part of Apollonius as well.

Now we can start with the good:

- Music BGM and Music Theme. There's no denying it. "Genesis of Aquarion" + "Aquarion Chapter 2" are just f%^&ing awesome songs.

- The Aquarion family mecha, especially Aquarion Geparda and Aquarion LOVE. LOVE Dammit!

- It should seem so obvious to many english speakers that EVOL was LOVE backward, but for me it wasn't. And I love it! (no pun intended) xD. I always thought it was just a shortening of 'Evole" but damn was that another "that's what they want you to think" xD.

- Shrade is lending a hand one last time!

- Apollo! Sirius!(!!!) and Toma! It's great to hear you guys again. And good to know this was reformed Toma. Mykage really was just the Dark side. And I liked how Mikono understood Toma's feelings and how she tried to apologize to the dark half.

- As cheesy as it was, Amata x Mikono is a win, and sometimes, I just love cheesy (sue me). But the way they pulled it off to reflect season 1 is a thumbs up for me. And Amata comparing his mother slipping away from him to Apollo slipping away from Slyvia was a good add as well.

- Mikono willing to use her Elemental abilities of emotional reconnection.

- I was glad Malloy as a side character gave me the impression he's also be part of the final battle, but Clea/Claire takes it instead (xD). Another good throwback to her connection as Rena/Rena role in only combining once.

- Despite what I said above, Mix body is back to normal. You gotta love Andy x Mix.

- Zessica just not being so gloomy anymore. And on that note, Kagura NOT killing her. She's gotten so screwed over the past couple of episode its good that she was spared.

- Buddha MUGEN HANDS. I don't know about you, but I loled.

- Cayenne acknowledging Shrade as his friend/shin'yu.

- Aquarion's tears of love fill up the planet with water.

- Paper Bag girl face was revealed okay not really, but I liked that they showed a glimpse of her hairstyle (which you already get the feeling she's cute xD)

- Suomi x Donnar. Screw it, I can dig that.

- "Love is NOW permitted". But does that include an OAV? xD

Conclusion: Most of the pro's tend to be small stuff here and there, but overall, it was a "Fun" final episode, and a fun ride. Heck this felt more like just another episode then a complete final, though it is a complete final since the big bad Mykage get's sealed (or combined? But looks more like sealed) with Fudo/Apollonius, despite plot being thrown completely out the window, well that logic was sorta gone when I first saw mugen punch back in Genesis (xD) but even then they had a steady plotline with the apollo = apollonius roller coaster. Somethings did feel rushed, like Zessica recovering so quickly from her gloomy state, but it was nice to see her not getting anymore screwed from Mykage.

If there was one way to phrase this ending, this felt more like Code Geas R2. R2 had a great beginning, wtf middle, and overall nice/somewhat-fitting ending. The same for me happened with Aquarion Evol. People say this is a train wreck, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. But Aquarion Evol is by no means a train wreck to me. You want a Train Wreck? Watch Gundam Seed Destiny. THAT is a train wreck.

tl/dr: Despite some flaws, I still love the Aquarion series and enjoyed the final.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-25, 10:14

Are you seriously comparing Evol to Code Geass quality? Or better yet, are you trying to say Amata is somehow Lelouch's equal? Or that Mikono even compares to Kallen?

Auron Requies

2012-06-25, 10:18

Are you seriously comparing Evol to Code Geass quality? Or better yet, are you trying to say Amata is somehow Lelouch's equal? Or that Mikono even compares to Kallen?

Did my post say any of that? Nope. Read it carefully. It was just my overall feeling of the series (Great beggining, wtf middle, overall nice ending) the same feeling I felt with Code Geass. I don't recall writing Lelouch = Amata or any of that sort anywhere.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-25, 10:28

You compared it to Code Geass at the end of your post. Since Amata and Mikono are the main characters of Evol it's like saying that since Evol in comparable to Code Geass(It isn't in any way, totally different) than they are comparable to Lelouch and Kallen who didn't get a happy ending despite having a far more developed and beloved relationship than Amata and Mikono.

mixordia

2012-06-25, 10:38

Auron Requies

2012-06-25, 10:41

You compared it to Code Geass at the end of your post.

Then you have failed to read it carefully. I wrote "If there was one way to phrase this ending, this felt more like Code Geas R2. R2 had a great beginning, wtf middle, and overall nice/somewhat-fitting ending." Emphasis on 'felt'. Just because you feel a certain way about one series doesn't mean everyone else will feel the same way about it.

My idea of how evol ended are similar to my idea back when geas ended. They are both different stories executed in different manners with minor similarities (school settings, mecha, etc) but they gave me the same overall end feeling. Again, read it carefully.

Auron Requies

2012-06-25, 10:44

I don’t believe that Kawamori was able to convince almost everyone in the end… LOL the bastard has the power, he managed to do a lot of people accept Kagura and Zessica. Is very hilarious, every post I see about it I laugh.

The thing is, I see them as getting along in a comrade sort of way, but I didn't really see a "x" pair between them in the ending, sure it implies it but again its subjective. Maybe if the staff were giving more episode counts, who knows.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-25, 10:47

They're just pushing the non-existent Zessica x Kagura ending so they can trick themselves into believing those two got a happy ending and that all their suffering wasn't for nothing. I pity them.

Then you have failed to read it carefully. I wrote "If there was one way to phrase this ending, this felt more like Code Geas R2. R2 had a great beginning, wtf middle, and overall nice/somewhat-fitting ending." Emphasis on 'felt'. Just because you feel a certain way about one series doesn't mean everyone else will feel the same way about it.

My idea of how evol ended are similar to my idea back when geas ended. They are both different stories executed in different manners with minor similarities (school settings, mecha, etc) but they gave me the same overall end feeling. Again, read it carefully.

No I read it correctly. You compared it to Code Geass which isn't comparable in anyway to this trainwreck. The ending of Evol was an asspull and not fitting. While the ending of Code Geass was sad but it fit the themes of the series to the letter while Evol made it a goal to ignore its own themes, especially the fighting destiny theme, and had retcons up the ass and random character shift with no explanation at all.

hyl

2012-06-25, 10:52

No I read it correctly. You compared it to Code Geass which isn't comparable in anyway to this trainwreck. The ending of Evol was an asspull and not fitting. While the ending of Code Geass was sad but it fit the themes of the series to the letter while Evol made it a goal to ignore its own themes, especially the fighting destiny theme.
Just that you have the right to think that the ending of Evol was a trainwreck, Winged Memories has also the right to think that the ending was handled well.

Stop imposing your own opinion on other people.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-25, 10:56

Who are you and why are you stalking me? I was willing to hear you out in another topic but I can see that listening to what you have to say was wrong and will only bring in the mods. So I'll just take Daniel's advice concerning this situation.

Auron Requies

2012-06-25, 10:57

No I read it correctly. You compared it to Code Geass which isn't comparable in anyway to this trainwreck

You have once again failed to read it carefully.

I wrote "If there was one way to phrase this ending, this felt more like Code Geas R2. R2 had a great beginning, wtf middle, and overall nice/somewhat-fitting ending."

Emphasis on 'felt'. Just because you feel a certain way about one series doesn't mean everyone else will feel the same way about it.

If I had 'compared' this to Code Geass, I would be mentioning how similar the series Aquarion is to Code Geass. I did no such thing. I only compared my overall feelings towards Aquarion being similar to Code Geass. I did not mention Aquarion is similar to Code Geass.

Stop imposing your own opinion on other people without a good reason.

I agree hyl, thanks for your input.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-25, 11:01

No, it seems that you have failed to understand what you were implying by comparing Evol to Code Geass over the beginning, middle, and end. Even the sad ending to Code Geass made sense and fit the series while the ending of Evol was unrealistic, ignored all the themes, and drastically changed characters at the last second with no explanation at all. It was literally just made to try and fix all the problems the rest of the series in the last episode which can be done but wasn't done in this situation.

Vena

2012-06-25, 11:01

After much deliberation, I've given the episode a 7/10 for being entertaining as heck.

The overall story though, when we get that thread, is going to be lower because, while the first half of this show was great, the second was terrible. Good on one half and bad on the other, leaves you with a 5/10. Its funny, or maybe sad, that I find the episodes individually more entertaining than the whole. If I try to put the episodes into a *bigger* picture, I find that I enjoy them less. Each episode is consistent, more or less, to itself but episode to episode has some pretty mind boggling changes in characters, theme, and even mood swings that just come out of nowhere.

Patriot's Blade

2012-06-25, 11:02

i think Touma/Mykage desperately needs those Apollo mint candies.......
so who's actually the "god" of the "new world"? is it FudoKage or Shrade?
Aquarion Love shed manly/womanly/whatever gender it is but i still believe it is a loli tears.....
they're obviously trying to ship Kagura & Zessica, Soldato-J & Renais-Kardiff Shishio style
makes sense as he's a part of Amata/brother/clone/whatever
i bet the next adam & eve will spawn a race of Biri-Biri slash cyborg hybirds:heh:

is it just me? that FudoKage rhymes with fujoshi/fudanshi? i bet mr. Shirokuma-kun would make a lame pun joke out of that which will annoy Penguin-san to death....... :heh:

EroKing

2012-06-25, 11:06

Mikono and Amata must have done a lot of GATTAI at the end, took them a while to come back :heh: Time to move on to the doujins :heh:

GoldenLand

2012-06-25, 11:07

Mikono and Amata must have done a lot of GATTAI at the end, took them a while to come back :heh: Time to move on to the doujins :heh:

:heh:

Well, Zessica did tell them to get a room...

ookamigirl

2012-06-25, 11:12

Looks like even Kagura has a soft spot.
Earth & Altair practically merging is reeking havoc.
It's cool how Zessica and Kagura switched to Amata's side ^^
Fight with Mikage was something else, really enjoyable to see.
There were all kinds of feelings flying around, especially Amata's.
Seems like Mikage was defeated with pure love ^-^
This was a really nice final episode with lots of action!

Auron Requies

2012-06-25, 11:12

No, it seems that you have failed to understand what you were implying by comparing Evol to Code Geass over the beginning, middle, and end.

From failing to read to just plain failing. You did not understand nor tried to comprehend my post and I do not see you trying. Yes I agree Code Geass had a sad and fitting ending, but thats another debate. If you did not like the Aquarion ending, or the series for that matter, you could have stopped while you were ahead. We know you don't like the ending, thats ok. Good for you, you get a trophy.

After much deliberation, I've given the episode a 7/10 for being entertaining as heck.

The overall story though, when we get that thread, is going to be lower because, while the first half of this show was great, the second was terrible. Good on one half and bad on the other, leaves you with a 5/10. Its funny, or maybe sad, that I find the episodes individually more entertaining than the whole. If I try to put the episodes into a *bigger* picture, I find that I enjoy them less. Each episode is consistent, more or less, to itself but episode to episode has some pretty mind boggling changes in characters, theme, and even mood swings that just come out of nowhere.

This is exactly how I feel about Evol as a whole as well, maybe minus the whole bigger picture part, since my whole overall bigger picture was that I enjoyed it nonetheless. Hell it was all in good fun, so besides lack of plot and consistency, I overall enjoyed it.

Mikono and Amata must have done a lot of GATTAI at the end, took them a while to come back :heh: Time to move on to the doujins :heh:

Mikono probably adapting to the doggie stuff? xD Hehe. I still dig Amata x Mikono, especially long hair Mikono ;).

Destined_Fate

2012-06-25, 11:13

Man, you say failing yet you're the one that doesn't even understand the implications of what you said. I would pity you but that's a waste of my time. So I will just ignore you, at least that way you can at least believe you're right even if you're mistaken.

i think Touma/Mykage desperately needs those Apollo mint candies.......
so who's actually the "god" of the "new world"? is it FudoKage or Shrade?
Aquarion Love shed manly/womanly/whatever gender it is but i still believe it is a loli tears.....
they're obviously trying to ship Kagura & Zessica, Soldato-J & Renais-Kardiff Shishio style
makes sense as he's a part of Amata/brother/clone/whatever
i bet the next adam & eve will spawn a race of Biri-Biri slash cyborg hybirds:heh:

is it just me? that FudoKage rhymes with fujoshi/fudanshi? i bet mr. Shirokuma-kun would make a lame pun joke out of that which will annoy Penguin-san to death....... :heh:

Psh, it should be Shrade. At least he puts others before himself. If he was a God he would be a benevolent being that's content playing and listening to the most precious of sympathies. His subjects wouldn't have to worry about him going crazy over love or anything.

Shinji103

2012-06-25, 11:19

Man, you say failing yet you're the one that doesn't even understand the implications of what you said. I would pity you but that's a waste of my time. So I will just ignore you, at least that way you can at least believe you're right even if you're mistaken.Weren't you the one who started railing on Auron in the first place? Kind of hypoctritical to suddenly say you'll be the one ignoring......

And I think we got the message that you hate this series somewhere around the 15th time you said it in this thread alone. Maybe you can cool it down a bit and not repeat "I hate this trainwreck" every five or so posts.

Auron Requies

2012-06-25, 11:21

Man, you say failing yet you're the one that doesn't even understand the implications of what you said. I would pity you but that's a waste of my time. So I will just ignore you, at least that way you can at least believe you're right even if you're mistaken.

That's nice.

:heh:

Well, Zessica did tell them to get a room...

I like how you posted this with a Zessica and Mikono avatar xD

And cheers to Shinji103.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-25, 11:24

Weren't you the one who started railing on Auron in the first place? Kind of hypoctritical to suddenly say you'll be the one ignoring......

And I think we got the message that you hate this series somewhere around the 15th time you said it in this thread alone. Maybe you can cool it down a bit and not repeat "I hate this trainwreck" every five or so posts.

I merely pointed out the implications of his comparison with Evol to Code Geass. His comparison between the Beginning, Middle, and End was completely off base. Especially if he had watched Code Geass and Evol. Sure they started out with promise however Code Geass never dropped that promise while Evol dropped it fast in favor of other things while leaving the most important part hanging. So no, his little simple comparison is wrong and that's just with the beginning.

It isn't hypocritical, I pointed out the implications and he started hurling insults. So I dropped him since he lost all merit the moment he needed to use insults to try and justify his off-worldly comparison.

If you want I can say it in every post if you're gonna be like that.

Shinji103

2012-06-25, 11:30

I merely pointed out the implications of his comparison with Evol to Code Geass. His comparison between the Beginning, Middle, and End was completely off base. Especially if he had watched Code Geass and Evol. Sure they started out with promise however Code Geass never dropped that promise while Evol dropped it fast in favor of other things while leaving the most important part hanging. So no, his little simple comparison is wrong and that's just with the beginning.

It isn't hypocritical, I pointed out the implications and he started hurling insults. So I dropped him since he lost all merit the moment he needed to use insults to try and justify his off-worldly comparison.For the record, when I read his post, I didn't see all these "implications" you find so disagreeable. And I saw you hurling insults at least as much.

If you want I can say it in every post if you're gonna be like that.Question: how old do you think this makes you sound? Because whenever I read this kind of line, I think "is this guy 10 years old?" :rolleyes: Seriously, maybe you should consider taking a nap and cooling off. At this point you're sounding less like a reasonable viewer and more like a raging hater troll.

Vena

2012-06-25, 11:33

This is exactly how I feel about Evol as a whole as well, maybe minus the whole bigger picture part, since my whole overall bigger picture was that I enjoyed it nonetheless. Hell it was all in good fun, so besides lack of plot and consistency, I overall enjoyed it.

My enjoyment comes from plot and good characters too, given how badly the show failed in either respect and as fun as it may have been, its just bad on the whole. :heh:

When you resolve your ending by making two characters act like different characters... you done screwed up. :eyespin:

Destined_Fate

2012-06-25, 11:34

That was me being coy over his little outburst. Comparing something like this to Code Geass is unforgivable, especially when his comparison was way off base. It would be a disservice to let such bashing of Code Geass pass without at least informing him the implications of trying to compare the series together.

I'm legal if you're wondering, though I expect to be wined and dined first.

Destined_Fate

2012-06-25, 11:37

...Didn't you just post that or am I just seeing things?

hyl

2012-06-25, 11:39

I merely pointed out the implications of his comparison with Evol to Code Geass. His comparison between the Beginning, Middle, and End was completely off base. Especially if he had watched Code Geass and Evol. Sure they started out with promise however Code Geass never dropped that promise while Evol dropped it fast in favor of other things while leaving the most important part hanging. So no, his little simple comparison is wrong and that's just with the beginning.

It isn't hypocritical, I pointed out the implications and he started hurling insults. So I dropped him since he lost all merit the moment he needed to use insults to try and justify his off-worldly comparison.

That was just his opinion on R2 and Evol. While both you and winged memories share the opinion that R2 had a good and fitting ending, however not everyone else have to share that opinion as well.
I think an opinion isn't neccesary good nor wrong if it's properly explained.
You explained why you didn't like Evol's ending (although in every post you made), then it's fine with me. But atleast try to accept that some people enjoyed it.

As for myself, it was a guilty pleasure. The serie was overal not that good and it had quite some troubles near the end, but atleast the ending wasn't entirely messed up for me (i have seen worse endings with unexpected turns or a random Deus ex Machina). Eventhough this last episode had many cliche moments and it tried to much to salvage what it had left, atleast it was enjoyable if you turn of your mind and don't think too much about every detail (like many other series that i consider a guilty pleasure)