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Anh_Minh
2013-03-18, 14:55
Some people are just that prank and honest.
It was inconsiderate and irresponsible. Frankness and honesty at best explain it, they don't excuse it. What would you think if some guy called you an ugly, stupid, <homophobic slur> <racial slur>, and added he was just calling it as he saw it?
Even if she has no basic, it's not like she got it wrong either.
Doesn't matter. Besides, all she got right was that Masuzu was putting on an act. It's not the same as being right about her feelings.
Also, she said so herself that it was her intuitive opinion, if you take it seriously, you are already losing.
What if the girls take it seriously? What if Eita was really in love with Masuzu but they broke it off because his aunt introduced a doubt that played on the insecurities he got from his parents running off? Sure, you can say in that case that the relationship was fragile to begin with. But given time, it might have strengthened... if some asshole hadn't interfered just for cheap laughs.
I know she isn't actually malicious. But I stand by the words I used: irresponsible and inconsiderate.
And she did talk to Eita alone after that,
My point was that she shouldn't have talked about it in public at all. Not that she also had to talk about it in private.
and god, Eita's rabu rabu act was painful, all the more reasons for her to firmly stand for her opinion.
It just means Eita isn't willing to confide in her, and I don't blame him. Especially given the circumstances, but even if it'd been a genuine relationship, given her attitude I wouldn't blame him if the first thing he said about it was "by the way, we're getting married tomorrow. Can you make it?".
I get your intention, but wrong analogy, or more precisely, it's not so wrong in reverse. Having an understanding in human nature/psychology does help in designing a satisfactory game, and having some knowledge of botany or anatomy or anything of the object you draw may help you get better at painting.
There, corrected the analogy. Indeed, to be able to draw the human figure (anime sstyle or otherwise) you need at the very least some knowledge of the human skeleton and to draw some beef you need real knowledge (http://i.imgur.com/akdQoHJ.jpg) of the muscle structure, the more practice the better you become at it.
Therefore, Saeko must have spent a lot of time looking at real humans do the lovey-dovey stuff classifying their behavior, supposedly female brains are better at that stuff since for them love is an analogical value (not a binary value like it registers on our male brains).
Bull. What people look for in those titles isn't reality. At best, they can look for some realism, in a "reality is unrealistic" sort of way. But reality? No.
And ogon_bat? Screw your correction. A painter may know anatomy, but that doesn't make him a surgeon.
Speaking of - would you trust Hugh Laurie to diagnose you? I mean, he played a doctor. Obviously he spent so much time observing them and absorbing their knowledge, right? And Dr House acts just like a real genius doctor would, too, or the series wouldn't have been successful, right?
Cough Cough.
is probably the most intelligent response in manga yet to such a statement.
Entertaining, sure. Intelligent? It is, also, a work of fiction. Catering to people who like such games in the first place. Yet another escapist, wish fulfillment harem series. (That's not meant as an insult - I love those. I also don't take them for documentaries on human interactions.)
Ah, you are kinda misreading the situation. Saeko's point was that when you are doing something fake for other people to believe, you have to do it even more perfect than the real thing for people to like it.... Does that sound like something or someone we know? That's obviously the whole logic behind Masuzu's personality, in other words she totally saw through her with no effort (Masuzu even points out something similar later).
That's a good point. I indeed hadn't seen it that way. But all it means is that Masuzu's wearing a more elaborate mask than most. It doesn't mean Eita hasn't seen a more genuine face when they're alone, and it doesn't mean they're not in a relationship. That's certainly a legitimate concern to raise... just not in front of Eita's harem.
erneiz_hyde
2013-03-18, 15:42
Bull. What people look for in those titles isn't reality. At best, they can look for some realism, in a "reality is unrealistic" sort of way. But reality? No.
And ogon_bat? Screw your correction. A painter may know anatomy, but that doesn't make him a surgeon.
Speaking of - would you trust Hugh Laurie to diagnose you? I mean, he played a doctor. Obviously he spent so much time observing them and absorbing their knowledge, right? And Dr House acts just like a real genius doctor would, too, or the series wouldn't have been successful, right?
Way to miss the point and moving goalposts. And here you are giving lectures about being considerate? I suggest you cool off both your mind and your attitude or STFU.
Come back later when you're sober and we might have a decent discussion going. Or if barging in pointing shotgun at everyone in the room is your idea of discussion then please close the door to this saloon from the outside.
mangamuscle
2013-03-18, 15:43
Bull. What people look for in those titles isn't reality. At best, they can look for some realism, in a "reality is unrealistic" sort of way. But reality? No.
Red. Your post is quite irrational, but I will try to get the most out of it. It is unclear if by titles you are referring by galgames, shoujo manga or pink prose, but in each and every on of those the reader needs something he can relate to, we are not talking about some alien experience akin to an acid trip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_experience). That is why in said media is common that the main character is a high schoolers, which is what most of the time the readers are (or were) themselves so they can relate to the events. If the situations are unrealistic the reader can't relate to the story and will drop it, even in a fantasy setting where you have the love story between a human and a youkai (or alien, or robot) what the reader is gauging is how much he can relate to it, in simple words, how realistic the romance is.
And ogon_bat? Screw your correction. A painter may know anatomy, but that doesn't make him a surgeon.
Where you you want me to screw it for you? No, seriously, it is beyond wild to think that the prior text somehow is trying to make people believe that a painter is a surgeon (albeit some surgeons are painters).
But a writer (where you do galgames, manga or prose does not change the title) does learn a little from human behavior (it can be a mix of instinct, learning from interactions with your fellows and even reading some psychology books) to produce his manuscripts and Saeko's work is all about romantic relations. Are all galge writers as good at gauging your fellow romantic relation? probably not, but I have no trouble believing there can be some galge writer's as skilled as Saeko IRL.
Speaking of - would you trust Hugh Laurie to diagnose you? I mean, he played a doctor. Obviously he spent so much time observing them and absorbing their knowledge, right? And Dr House acts just like a real genius doctor would, too, or the series wouldn't have been successful, right?
... and it gets even wilder, now you are saying (yes, it is you) that an actor due to mimicking how a surgeon reacts in front of people gives the actor the uncanny powers to make surgical operations on human beings. Read carefully, when Hugh Laurie learns to mimic the procedure of an operation (which he never does for his actor job) then it would make sense to assume he can really do a surgeons work.
It was inconsiderate and irresponsible. Frankness and honesty at best explain it, they don't excuse it. What would you think if some guy called you an ugly, stupid, <homophobic slur> <racial slur>, and added he was just calling it as he saw it?
You are taking this way out of the context. Saeko did not outright insult anyone like you said in the post. She was very careful with her words and trying to take it as literally as she can. You are supposed to laugh it off.
I won't bother replying to the rest because however you want to interpret, Saeko did get the fact right that they are on a fake realtionship and Masuzu's feelings for Eita are questionable. She didn't say anything like Masuzu didn't love Eita at all or they were in the wrong for faking the relationship. It was just her intuition of a woman. If your behaviours make her intuition raises questions, then obviously you also have to watch out.
All the what-ifs you said are just something you simulate inside your head to back up your arguement and it has no value whatsoever in this context, sorry. I'm not going to argue with your own scenario.
Whether she's irresponsible or inconsiderate, if your actions are obvious, someone is going to point it out eventually anyway, be it Saeko or someone else. You don't expect their little facade to last forever, do you?
Squarecrow
2013-03-18, 17:13
What bothers me the most is how Saeko pulls it out her ass that their relationship is a fake just for the drama, and seems to miss that Masuzu has feelings for Eita. It'd have been a better reveal at the beach after having observed their relationship a bit.
"Your relationship is fake because you're too perfect" is laughable.
"Your relationship is fake because you're too perfect" is laughable
This coming from after the 4 of them taking the test. TBH, Masuzu's answer was like something you would hear from a relationship experts that are on TV shows or something.
I know Masuzu has the "cool" card carrying out the entire series, but that can also be read as pretencious or goody two shoe very easily, even irl. I wouldn't be surprise if there're even rumors that Masuzu is taking advantage of Eita going around school, reallly.
What bothers me the most is how Saeko pulls it out her ass that their relationship is a fake just for the drama, and seems to miss that Masuzu has feelings for Eita. It'd have been a better reveal at the beach after having observed their relationship a bit.
Sometimes, life is just that unexpected, unfortunately. This tends to happen sooner or later anyway.
And sure, she has feelings for Eita, but what kind of feeling? Would it be love, or even amidration like what Ai, Chiwa and Hime have, or just a sense of companionship and pride? I think whatever it is, Saeko was correct with her affection ranking.
And even though Seako's remark is mainly aimed at Masuzu. Eita has his question share as well, does he love Masuzu, a relationship normally requires both ways, right? Eita dogded the question by lying to saeko, but how does he really feel? He indeed need to think about that, and tiem will answer.
Anh_Minh
2013-03-18, 18:47
Way to miss the point and moving goalposts.
I haven't moved the goalposts. It remains about how Saeko's claim that producing fiction somehow makes you an expert on the subject matter. Especially fiction that doesn't even attempt to be realistic.
And here you are giving lectures about being considerate?
I may be inconsiderate, but I'm not a teenager's legal guardian talking to him and his friends.
I suggest you cool off both your mind and your attitude or STFU.
Of course, Kettle.
Come back later when you're sober and we might have a decent discussion going. Or if barging in pointing shotgun at everyone in the room is your idea of discussion then please close the door to this saloon from the outside.
Shotgun? What, exactly, are you trying to accuse me of?
Have I somehow used personal attacks? Like tell someone he had no right to express his opinion? Implied he was drunk? Or deformed his post in the name of "correcting" it?
Red. Your post is quite irrational, but I will try to get the most out of it.
So gracious of you.
It is unclear if by titles you are referring by galgames, shoujo manga or pink prose,
Does it matter? It can be any fiction, but is especially valid of works that put no emphasis on research and realism, like galgames, shoujo manga or pink prose. (Non exhaustive list.) I don't even know where you pulled those examples from.
but in each and every on of those the reader needs something he can relate to, we are not talking about some alien experience akin to an acid trip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_experience). That is why in said media is common that the main character is a high schoolers, which is what most of the time the readers are (or were) themselves so they can relate to the events. If the situations are unrealistic the reader can't relate to the story and will drop it, even in a fantasy setting where you have the love story between a human and a youkai (or alien, or robot) what the reader is gauging is how much he can relate to it, in simple words, how realistic the romance is.
But as I said, reality is unrealistic. Works must be believable, but that's not the same as realistic. Especially when the avowed goal of such a work is to escape the tedious or painful aspects of reality. (Like the fact that, as a rule, everyday average high schoolers don't get harems of girls completely obsessed with them.)
Where you you want me to screw it for you? No, seriously, it is beyond wild to think that the prior text somehow is trying to make people believe that a painter is a surgeon (albeit some surgeons are painters).
I'm not saying that. I'm saying that even if you limit to anatomy, a painter's knowledge doesn't compare to a surgeon's.
But a writer (where you do galgames, manga or prose does not change the title) does learn a little from human behavior (it can be a mix of instinct, learning from interactions with your fellows and even reading some psychology books) to produce his manuscripts and Saeko's work is all about romantic relations. Are all galge writers as good at gauging your fellow romantic relation? probably not, but I have no trouble believing there can be some galge writer's as skilled as Saeko IRL.
And I'm saying it's specious because:
- galgames don't even attempt to be realistic when it comes to human behavior;
- it doesn't matter because galgames buyers aren't looking for realistic human behavior;
- even if the previous two points were wrong, it still wouldn't mean that writing galgames, even being good at it, enables you to read the truth of a relationship at a single glance. It's even more ludicrous as a Sherlock Homes-expy guessing your life story from the way you chose to dress today.
... and it gets even wilder, now you are saying (yes, it is you) that an actor due to mimicking how a surgeon reacts in front of people gives the actor the uncanny powers to make surgical operations on human beings. Read carefully, when Hugh Laurie learns to mimic the procedure of an operation (which he never does for his actor job) then it would make sense to assume he can really do a surgeons work.
Actually, I spoke of diagnosing people. Because that's what Dr House did. Diagnostics. That and take drugs. (Or so I heard, I haven't watched the series.)
All to illustrate the absurdity of Saeko's premise, which you share: that producing an imitation that convinces laymen (or that they at least find compelling enough to overlook its flaws) somehow means you're an expert at the real thing. Now, I know an actor doesn't have role analogue to that of a game developer. Maybe I should have looked up the name of a script writer. But it's a team effort. Feel free to pick any member of Dr House's production staff. Or all of them. Except maybe the medical consultants, if there were any. I read the medical errors were pretty glaring.
You are taking this way out of the context. Saeko did not outright insult anyone like you said in the post.
I prefer to think of it as a magnification. Because as I hinted earlier, it wasn't immediately obvious to me either why I reacted negatively.
But the insulting side of it was just to show that being "frank and honest" justified nothing.
She was very careful with her words
"careful" is the last word I'd use.
and trying to take it as literally as she can. You are supposed to laugh it off.
I would have, if she'd explained it was a joke when it became clear the girls were taking her seriously.
Besides, what do you mean? We're supposed to take her words literally, or just forget them because it's a joke?
I won't bother replying to the rest because however you want to interpret, Saeko did get the fact right that they are on a fake realtionship and Masuzu's feelings for Eita are questionable.
Maybe it's the former math teacher in me, but how you get a result is as important to me as whether it's the good one or not.
To use another hyperbole: imagine a guy goes on shooting rampage and kills half a dozen people. Randomly.
Now imagine that, by coincidence, all those people were terrorists about to go on their own shooting spree, and by killing them he saved many more people.
Is he a hero? No, he's still a nutjob who shouldn't be allowed to have a weapon.
(And yes, I know what Saeko did is insignificant in comparison.)
She didn't say anything like Masuzu didn't love Eita at all or they were in the wrong for faking the relationship. It was just her intuition of a woman. If your behaviours make her intuition raises questions, then obviously you also have to watch out.
Yeah, and I wouldn't have minded if she'd taken Eita aside to tell him that. But five seconds into meeting her she decides Masuzu isn't Eita's girlfriend? And declares so in front of everyone?
All the what-ifs you said are just something you simulate inside your head to back up your arguement and it has no value whatsoever in this context, sorry. I'm not going to argue with your own scenario.
I'm saying she had no way of knowing it wasn't like that. That's what being careless is - taking useless risks based on insufficient information. And taking risks with other people's happiness, including the kid you're guardian of? Well, I think I've already said what I thought of that.
Whether she's irresponsible or inconsiderate, if your actions are obvious, someone is going to point it out eventually anyway, be it Saeko or someone else. You don't expect their little facade to last forever, do you?
No. But I don't like the way she attacked it, or her reasons for doing so.
HandofFate
2013-03-18, 19:20
I'm fine with it, because Masuzu is lame, and Ai is the best.
And quite frankly, Masuzu's characterization this whole season is near non-existance. All we get is vague hints of 'okay, she does kind of really care about the relationship' but other than that, you get no info at all on her background or anything internal about her. Where the other 3 girls, we're getting the whole course.
Daniel E.
2013-03-18, 20:14
Can I ask people to calm down some?
I'll start checking some posts from here on out.
I prefer to think of it as a magnification. Because as I hinted earlier, it wasn't immediately obvious to me either why I reacted negatively.
But the insulting side of it was just to show that being "frank and honest" justified nothing.
Again, the context is diffrent, in Saeko's case, I just don't see her remark as anything irresponsible or inconsiderate. It was Eita's reaction that made things awkward for everyone afterward. Afterall, Seako was told a lie, not the truth, and she knew that.
"careful" is the last word I'd use.
I would have, if she'd explained it was a joke when it became clear the girls were taking her seriously.
Besides, what do you mean? We're supposed to take her words literally, or just forget them because it's a joke?
They could have ended it after Saeko dropped the topic by saying she was hungry.
Maybe it's the former math teacher in me, but how you get a result is as important to me as whether it's the good one or not.
To use another hyperbole: imagine a guy goes on shooting rampage and kills half a dozen people. Randomly.
Now imagine that, by coincidence, all those people were terrorists about to go on their own shooting spree, and by killing them he saved many more people.
Is he a hero? No, he's still a nutjob who shouldn't be allowed to have a weapon.
(And yes, I know what Saeko did is insignificant in comparison.)
She stated her reasoning, even saying it was her intuition, and apparently, she has experience to believe in her tution. You don't buy and react the way Masuzu did, and you just dig yourself a bigger hole. The more you say, the more your lie get exposed, the less guilty Saeko is.
Yeah, and I wouldn't have minded if she'd taken Eita aside to tell him that. But five seconds into meeting her she decides Masuzu isn't Eita's girlfriend? And declares so in front of everyone?
Saeko was told a lie, she knew what Masuzu said was not true, why did they lie to her about their relationship?
If you take these into consideration, then doesn't it look like Eita and Masuzu were the ones who joke about it first?
I'm saying she had no way of knowing it wasn't like that. That's what being careless is - taking useless risks based on insufficient information. And taking risks with other people's happiness, including the kid you're guardian of? Well, I think I've already said what I thought of that.
How do you define insufficient information is different from other people. Life is a bitch, Saeko just happens to be very good at reading people and emotion with her intuition, and she has no doubt in her intuition so for her, isn't it not sufficient enough?
Long story short, the whole drama in this episode was mainly Masuzu and Eita digging their own hole. Especially Masuzu, when she reacted to Saeko's remark about other 3 girls being a mainden in love and got herself into that love test thingy, she already lost.
And yeah, let's not forget that love test either, all the girls accepted that the test was statically correct. Then Saeko wasn't exactly pulling stuff out of her ass either when she said Masuzu's relationship and feelings are questionable.
Shimapan
2013-03-18, 23:04
http://i.imgur.com/yvp4pWWl.jpg (http://imgur.com/yvp4pWW)
Ai - Stealing the show and all of your hearts :p
Quoted for truth.
Tsun-ko, Dere-ko, Tsundere-ko... three girls in one! :D
And...
http://i.imgur.com/9tcDVI6l.jpg (http://imgur.com/9tcDVI6)
http://i.imgur.com/8BETnMVl.jpg (http://imgur.com/8BETnMV)
:twitch:
Kaoru could just as wel have a huge, blinking sign hanging around her neck that reads: "Look, I'm a girl!" :D
Anh_Minh
2013-03-19, 02:19
Again, the context is diffrent, in Saeko's case, I just don't see her remark as anything irresponsible or inconsiderate. It was Eita's reaction that made things awkward for everyone afterward.
She'd just called his relationship "fake". What did he do for you to blame the awkwardness on him?
Afterall, Seako was told a lie, not the truth, and she knew that.
She assumed it. Without basis. Other than, yes, Masuzu playing the good girl, which is a pretty normal thing to do for a girlfriend "meeting the parent" for the first time.
They could have ended it after Saeko dropped the topic by saying she was hungry.
What does it have to do with taking anything "literally"? And yes, dropping it might have been wiser, but I can see how letting go might have been difficult. It's not like they were in a position to tell Saeko to go screw herself, which would have been cathartic.
She stated her reasoning, even saying it was her intuition,
Which wasn't a reasoning, then.
and apparently, she has experience to believe in her tution.
Or her self-confidence is as baseless as her statements.
You don't buy and react the way Masuzu did, and you just dig yourself a bigger hole. The more you say, the more your lie get exposed, the less guilty Saeko is.
Maybe. But she started out pretty guilty.
Besides, you know those stories about cops "just feeling" when someone's lying to them, or using various "tells" to spot a liar? They're all bullshit (http://www.salon.com/2012/09/16/can_we_detect_when_someones_lying/).
Saeko was told a lie, she knew what Masuzu said was not true,
Even calling it a "guess" would be to over-dignify it.
why did they lie to her about their relationship?
Because they're teenagers and she's an alleged adult?
If you take these into consideration, then doesn't it look like Eita and Masuzu were the ones who joke about it first?
No, it looks like they didn't feel like going into all the intimate details of what they were feeling and why.
How do you define insufficient information is different from other people.
Yes, and people who judge on too little information are called prejudiced.
Life is a bitch, Saeko just happens to be very good at reading people and emotion with her intuition, and she has no doubt in her intuition so for her, isn't it not sufficient enough?
"Intuition". Does that justify racism, or homophobia? Because I'm pretty sure those are based on intuition, too. I mean, wow, you can just look at someone and prejudge guilty of whatever you want. And confirmation bias insures that the future will just validate your judgment. Isn't that great?
Long story short, the whole drama in this episode was mainly Masuzu and Eita digging their own hole. Especially Masuzu, when she reacted to Saeko's remark about other 3 girls being a mainden in love and got herself into that love test thingy, she already lost.
No, she "lost" when Saeko decided she was a fake. Making people change their minds is difficult, all the more so when they decide stuff not based on reason but on feelings.
And yeah, let's not forget that love test either, all the girls accepted that the test was statically correct.
Which was dumb to start with.
Then Saeko wasn't exactly pulling stuff out of her ass either when she said Masuzu's relationship and feelings are questionable.
She did when she met them.
And again when she decided a one-question psychological test in a girly magazine meant anything.
Used Can
2013-03-19, 02:47
I think you are taking Saeko too seriously. She's supposed to have pulled a Keima-like deduction from merely developing galges. It might not be realistic, but Oreshura hasn't been too realitic in terms of its characters. Truth to be told, in real life, Eita and Chiwa would have told Masuzu to fuck off due to the things she did in the first 4 episodes, especially in the 4th. The thing with Ai pursuing marriage with Keita due to some kindergarten promise isn't particularly realistic either. Most people in real life would probably keep people like Hime at a distance.
Saeko's purpose in the story clearly is to have Eita and Masuzu against the ropes, especially since her actions has put their act against them. That, and of course, bring more harem hijinks and some comedy.
erneiz_hyde
2013-03-19, 03:30
Which wasn't a reasoning, then.Let's remember Chiwa said that she had always been feeling Masuzu and Eita's relationship as weird or awkward or not quite right, and that the other girls share her thoughts. There may not be a valid reasoning there, but the only difference between these girls and Saeko is that Saeko voiced her suspicion without tact. I can understand you being angry over this, but then you go and critic every being of her.
You hinted that it escalated, you didn't know at first what made you angry, and the more you think the more fault you find. That sounds like it's a negative chain of thought working, that's why I suggested you to "sober up". You sound like you had too much guilty bias at the time. Really, I'm not blaming you for getting angry towards Saeko, I stated in my very first reply that 'I get it' (I hope I did). My only beef with you is your overall attitude, but I guess that is just your character and it isn't likely to change so I won't let that mind me anymore.
I think you are taking Saeko too seriously.By gut, which he proved by the linked article being not much better than guesses, I have an inclination to think that taking things too seriously usually means being emphatic about it.
Anh_Minh
2013-03-19, 15:44
I think you are taking Saeko too seriously.
Oh, definitely. It's like watching a tsundere hit a boy and wondering if it's slapstick comedy or domestic violence.
What gets to me, though, is having to argue that, in general, maybe even IRL, Saeko's attitude is abnormal and unhealthy. Shouldn't it be obvious?
Let's remember Chiwa said that she had always been feeling Masuzu and Eita's relationship as weird or awkward or not quite right, and that the other girls share her thoughts.
And if Saeko had made her claims based on Eita's disgust at romance in general, or because, like Chiwa, she'd had some opportunity to watch how it came to be, I wouldn't be calling them "baseless". But it was just one glance, one line by Masuzu.
There may not be a valid reasoning there, but the only difference between these girls and Saeko is that Saeko voiced her suspicion without tact. I can understand you being angry over this, but then you go and critic every being of her.
I actually only criticized the circumstances in which she voiced her concerns. That's hardly "everything", though, yeah, it's most of her screentime so far. I even acknowledged she wasn't malicious, though, and if asked, I'd also have acknowledged she had a lot of merit to accept responsibility for Eita, even letting him keep his house.
You hinted that it escalated, you didn't know at first what made you angry, and the more you think the more fault you find.
The more I had to defend my opinion, the clearer it became, yeah.
That sounds like it's a negative chain of thought working, that's why I suggested you to "sober up". You sound like you had too much guilty bias at the time. Really, I'm not blaming you for getting angry towards Saeko, I stated in my very first reply that 'I get it' (I hope I did).
If you did, it was lost in the ad hominem.
My only beef with you is your overall attitude, but I guess that is just your character and it isn't likely to change so I won't let that mind me anymore.
And mine with you is the ad hominem attacks and the moral high horse you like to climb on. But I'll try not to let that get to me either.
Used Can
2013-03-19, 18:42
What gets to me, though, is having to argue that, in general, maybe even IRL, Saeko's attitude is abnormal and unhealthy. Shouldn't it be obvious?
In real life it would be a different matter indeed, but Oreshura is hardly a depiction of real life.
It's like saying that Masuzu is a terrible person, because in real life the use of blackmail, coercion and the like for personal gain at the expense of someone else are bad. However, plot-wise, the blackmail was just a medium to get the story started, and the whole thing has always been played out comically - sometimes even slightly romantically and cute.
The same could be said about Chiwa's entitlement on Eita, Ai's over-the-top personality, Hime's chuunibyou... None of those traits are to be taken seriously, and even less in a real-life context.
Sumeragi
2013-03-19, 23:00
http://i.imgur.com/SWNDhvY.jpg
Haiprbim
2013-03-20, 00:53
http://i.imgur.com/SWNDhvY.jpg
What's with the chest overhaul? xD
mangamuscle
2013-03-20, 11:27
What's with the chest overhaul? xD
Someone has to be the owner of these puppies (http://i.imgur.com/UP3DiBi.png). Since Mazusu is anorexic, Chiwawa is pettanko and Ai is too prude to grab her own chest in such a lecherous manner ....
Remember women's breast are filled with men illusions, but what happen if a girl also puts in there her own delusions? :D
greensoulreaper
2013-03-20, 20:51
Found a nice piano cover on the OP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb5i-Td2BLQ
Anime Online
2013-03-20, 22:15
You can say the women in the anime are just psychic. How is Masuzu able to tell from the very first episode that he feels love is pointless? Certainly it's not from his notebook, since he wrote about his fantasies of being popular with girls. Eita never spoke to Masuzu before, yet she can tell so much about his character: that he would never betray her. I'm like, wow, she's really psychic.
The whole blackmail thing is largely forgotten by now. It's mostly for comic relief when Masuzu reads his delusions aloud. Similarly, the whole get-popular-with-guys club thing is also forgotten. It's just an excuse for Eita personal harem setting.
I really think this series shows the more serious and dramatic side of a harem. In other shows I've seen more of all the girls cuddling up with the main guy, instead of this, where each girl scowls and fights to one up each other. Or they get upset when they see him getting closer to another girl.
The light color palette and roundish art is misleading to the series' serious undertone as well.
II Maestro
2013-03-23, 11:42
Hime: I have finally conquered the Grand Line!
Am I the only one who doesn't like Masuzu...? Seriously I feel bad for Chiwa :(
Haven't watched this episode yet but I saw this screencap...
http://s9.postimg.org/t7etx6cfz/1364052961468.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/65y8rfcsb/full/)
Dayum. They just keep getting bigger.
Haven't watched this episode yet but I saw this screencap...
http://s9.postimg.org/t7etx6cfz/1364052961468.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/65y8rfcsb/full/)
Dayum. They just keep getting bigger.
:bow::bow::bow: Damn she's got cannons.
Highlight of episode 12.
http://i.imgur.com/TJCFa7J.gif
Eita definitely found the melon(s).
ookamigirl
2013-03-23, 14:49
Those two were totally overdoing with the "fake" in their fake relationship.
Well, at least this trip-to-the-beach episode was fun.
These kinds of episodes always make me smile.
Probably because they're so typical, but in a good & fun way.
There sure were a lot of emotions in this episode..
After the predictably hair-raising fake initial parts, I liked the sensitivity with which the second half was handled. Very nicely done :)
Looking forward to the big finale!
Ai is your generic tsuntere(and quite uninteresting one). For me she is least interesting in Eita's harem. And I'll never understand why people so head-on-hills about her. Maybe you guys just never saw any tsuntere(instead of Shana probably).
It's just that some of us watched enough Rie Kugimiya to know her roles are sometimes TOO tsun. I know what I am saying because I watched ZnT and SnS and Toradora.
Then, again, you weren't talking about her, but still, can you disapprove my point my stating other GREAT tsunderes? (It's not like I am asking you nicely, all right?---->Is that how you do it?)
FredFriendly
2013-03-23, 16:52
Am I the only one who doesn't like Masuzu...? Seriously I feel bad for Chiwa :(
No, but we seem to be in the vast minority. My dislike of her has become so intense that I literally skip past scenes which she is in.
Maybe I'm not an otaku afterall. I am not entranced by her "melons" or her "beauty," so I haven't been fooled into thinking that she could do no wrong.
And why didn't Masuzu have to wear a "shameless" sign on her back? She was being far more shameless than Eita was. Where I come from, a girl who purposely tricks a guy into publicly groping her (and doesn't even try to stop him) wouldn't just be called "shameless," she'd be called a "slut."
No, but we seem to be in the vast minority. My dislike of her has become so intense that I literally skip past scenes which she is in.
Well, then you won't like the last ones very much ^_^;
Maybe I'm not an otaku afterall. I am not entranced by her "melons" or her "beauty," so I haven't been fooled into thinking that she could do no wrong.
For me, what I find intriguing about Masuzu is the depth to her character. She isn't easily seen through, and she's very smart and spirited, and full of contradictions. Very interesting. Her looks are a bonus for me, but not her selling point.
But hey, I can very much understand how someone could hate her :) ... tastes differ.
Just what Eita did to Hime's breast? It's getting bigger and bigger as episode pass by :heh:
Highlight of episode 12.
http://i.imgur.com/TJCFa7J.gif
Looks like he enjoyed playing breasts watermelons
Used Can
2013-03-23, 22:36
Just what Eita did to Hime's breast? It's getting bigger and bigger as episode pass by :heh:
This
Not that I'm complaining, but holy shit.
She started off as moderate, and now her tits are HUGE, and Masuzu was supposed to be the girl with the largest pair... but Hime's definitely look larger now.
Sumeragi
2013-03-23, 22:52
The Power of Love.
The Power of Love.
http://youtu.be/VkAVfsw5xSQ?t=1m2s
It's raring to be a really juicy finale. You've gotta feel for Masuzu and all her responsibility. Her sister doesn't seem so bad after all, she seems to really care for her sister.
Hope Masuzu can win Eita.
mangamuscle
2013-03-24, 02:28
Just what Eita did to Hime's breast? It's getting bigger and bigger as episode pass by :heh:
Hime is your usual case of puberty hitting her like roadkill, she just needed a trigger (Eita) for her hormones to go bat-shit crazy :D
Not being familiar with the sources, it still seems like if they are going for an anime-original ending in one season, they are going to have to tie up or ignore a lot of plot threads that originally went on longer.
I find Ai entertaining because she's so over-the-top, but being the long-gone childhood friend isn't much to build a relationship on in the present. But this show doesn't drive the plot by rational calculation, it's more like an avalanche.
My opinion of Mana is a little better, though I tire of her calling Eita a virgin. I'd have long since asked her whether she's not herself a virgin, and frankly, I for one do not look at anyone in JH or even HS having "graduated" as a thing to be proud of. I'd agree with Eita's retort and truly mean it: "Virgin" is a compliment, especially in a time when media and other sources insist that it's practically an endangered species.
In any case, this episode showed quite well just why I prefer small breasts in anime if not IRL. These animators don't seem to know how to maintain consistency. In different scenes, Masuzu, Ai and Hime all seem to randomly shift cup sizes from a comfortablly charming C to a grotesquely gratuitous G. Breasts in many cases seem to fall into three categories: absurdly oversized, wildly fluctuating, and pancake. If those are my options, I'll take pancake any day.
Kaoru Chujo
2013-03-24, 12:44
....But this show doesn't drive the plot by rational calculation, it's more like an avalanche.Lol. If we still had cookies, I'd send one over.
I loved ep 12. More richness to the characters, and more emotion.
I understand why FredFriendly and Shinhwa dislike Masuzu -- in real life she would be someone to stay away from. And I do sympathize a lot with Chiwa. But here Masuzu is a strong and fascinating character. Even more so after ep12. Not even her greatest fan would think she "can do no wrong." She does plenty of wrong. But she has always seemed to have hidden depths, and now they are starting to come clear.
I totally adored the way Eita said that being jerked around by her was "not so bad." And then his question to Mana and her answer were outstanding. "Kyouhansha," lol.
There's no doubt that some of Eita's motivation for liking Masuzu is less than honorable: she's a trophy that gives him status, and she's physically beautiful even if she isn't morally beautiful. But hey, he's human like the rest of us. And familiarity can breed love, as opposed to contempt.
I have a better opinion of Masuzu after episode 12. She is definitely not as much of a bitch as she seems. She was genuinely moved by the girls' gesture, and she feels bad for Chiwa. Her decision to free Eita was correct but it looks like Eita won't accept it. I guess he's a M :heh:
Okashira
2013-03-24, 13:10
There's no doubt that some of Eita's motivation for liking Masuzu is less than honorable: she's a trophy that gives him status, and she's physically beautiful even if she isn't morally beautiful. But hey, he's human like the rest of us. And familiarity can breed love, as opposed to contempt.
You are joking, right? Because when Eita looked at Masuzu objectively he couldn't care less about her. It's when Eita added her personality to the mix and kinda grasped that she has scars & suffering that he started to get this feeling of "can't let go" and when he truly started to be in "awe" of her beauty and began to be more conscious of her (narration wise, he'll absolutely never admit any of this, of course) (and feelings like those aren't exclusive to Masuzu).
In other words, he is basically pretty much following to a T the guidelines of the plain harem main character, which doesn't get attached to a girl unless he emotionally sets himself to be so, for the sake of making the attachment more genuine (emotionally speaking).
HandofFate
2013-03-24, 13:44
Probably gonna be a neutral anime original ending because its safe.
But man, good chiwa flag this episode.
Really liked the part when Misuzu showed the end of Eita's diary. She's been steadily reading his old diary the whole time, probably laughing at it, but also feels like she's getting to know him more and more and kind of falling for his boyish past and fantasies.
Then she gets to the past page, and finds out he stopped all that and because serious just so he be able to heal Chiwa.
Ai was also great when she ran off only to be decked by a huge wave.
Kind of a shame since Misuzu is the main lead, that Eita just practically just drops in her lap. Bound to happen with any girl that one may spend a lot of time with.
Kaoru Chujo
2013-03-24, 13:49
You are joking, right? Because when Eita looked at Masuzu objectively he couldn't care less about her. It's when Eita added her personality to the mix and kinda grasped that she has scars & suffering that he started to get this feeling of "can't let go" and when he truly started to be in "awe" of her beauty and began to be more conscious of her (narration wise, he'll absolutely never admit any of this, of course) (and feelings like those aren't exclusive to Masuzu).
In other words, he is basically pretty much following to a T the guidelines of the plain harem main character, which doesn't get attached to a girl unless he emotionally sets himself to be so, for the sake of making the attachment more genuine (emotionally speaking).No, I'm not joking. You make good points, but I felt he was drifting toward her even before he discovered her scars and suffering. As you say, lots of things are not admitted but still present. Including, in my opinion, pride at being seen as the possessor of this living trophy. As well as enjoyment of her beauty.
The way Eita just happened to meet Mana was a bit of a coincidence, but the rather sudden revelation of Masuzu's problems didn't come as much of a shock. We knew all along that there was something behind her hard attitude.
No, I'm not joking. You make good points, but I felt he was drifting toward her even before he discovered her scars and suffering. As you say, lots of things are not admitted but still present. Including, in my opinion, pride at being seen as the possessor of this living trophy. As well as enjoyment of her beauty.
I need to admit that I'm puzzled too where you're getting the "possessor of a trophy" part from. If anything, the show has displayed that Eita genuinely abhors attention of any kind. In fact, this was also the reason he gave when he first rejected Masuzu's request to play her boyfriend (before she blackmailed him into it).
That he is affected by her beauty and flirty teasing is however true, of course (I only say: Pantsu wars) ;)
Okashira
2013-03-24, 15:34
No, I'm not joking. You make good points, but I felt he was drifting toward her even before he discovered her scars and suffering. As you say, lots of things are not admitted but still present. Including, in my opinion, pride at being seen as the possessor of this living trophy. As well as enjoyment of her beauty.
I have dabbed about this a lot (in fact is one of the things that I like about the series), and I do feel that the first "shock" that Masuzu gave to Eita was when she first showed him how much she "loves" romance, and Eita thought that "that rage" wasn't something normal (ergo, it had an actual reason / cause); but that also fits with the bit that he had to associate a "name" (personality) to her "face" (looks) before getting closer to her; so basically he didn't took her seriously nor looked at her before he "knew" her (technically, that's one of the reasons of why she approached him).
Eita is obviously weak towards the opposite gender, so it's natural that he gets totally overwhelmed / hypnotized when Masuzu gets too close, but besides that vulnerability (that he would never admit), he has never made a conscious statement (either monologue or voiced) that flaunts about her, like "how lucky I am with such a beautiful girl" or "I'll show her around the neighborhood". In fact the only flaunting that I have caught from him is something in the lines of "I'm the only one that can stand her for so long" :heh:
Anh_Minh
2013-03-24, 16:13
What Mentar said. The status is more of a minus, from his POV. The beauty, OTOH... poor guy does have hormones.
But I think another reason he's drawn to her is that she's engages him intellectually. Unlike the rest of his harem. It's often adversarial, but he can talk to Masuzu without her getting all deluded or just plain weird.
greensoulreaper
2013-03-24, 18:02
I have a better opinion of Masuzu after episode 12. She is definitely not as much of a bitch as she seems. She was genuinely moved by the girls' gesture, and she feels bad for Chiwa. Her decision to free Eita was correct but it looks like Eita won't accept it. I guess he's a M :heh:
Obviously. Didn't you see his reaction to her little sister's verbal abuse? :D
What Mentar said. The status is more of a minus, from his POV. The beauty, OTOH... poor guy does have hormones.
He does. For those who aren't afraid to be spoiled, visit Baka-Tsuki and read the teaser part of vol4 c13 which Larethian translated. His struggle against his feelings and hormones is simply hilarious.
But I think another reason he's drawn to her is that she's engages him intellectually. Unlike the rest of his harem. It's often adversarial, but he can talk to Masuzu without her getting all deluded or just plain weird.
I think that this is widely overlooked by many shippers. Masuzu and Eita are on the same intellectual level, the same wavelength. The both of them share many similarities and opinions, and they manage to communicate without misunderstandings. With all other girls, his relationship is much more asymmetrical.
Seitsuki
2013-03-24, 18:29
Wait, there are ships other than the Masuzu ship?
...why?
Anh_Minh
2013-03-24, 18:36
I think that this is widely overlooked by many shippers. Masuzu and Eita are on the same intellectual level, the same wavelength. The both of them share many similarities and opinions, and they manage to communicate without misunderstandings. With all other girls, his relationship is much more asymmetrical.
To be fair, he doesn't routinely blackmail Masuzu, so it's not that symmetrical either. It's just that the realities they live in are not only nodding acquaintances but even pretty good neighbors.
Wait, there are ships other than the Masuzu ship?
...why?
Because those other stereotypes have fans.
We have 3 chuunibyou osananajimi with (1) twin tail (Chiwa), a slight kuudere (Himeka), and tsundere x 2 (Chiwa and Ai).
mangamuscle
2013-03-24, 22:50
Wait, there are ships other than the Masuzu ship?
...why?
From what I have read, the LN is blatantly one-sided about Masuzu, but the anime has show a very different fan dynamic at work and I have no doubt that this will influence the story of the original LN, making this a four horses race and not just a "story of a bitchy girl".
Used Can
2013-03-25, 02:22
We have 3 chuunibyou osananajimi with (1) twin tail (Chiwa), a slight kuudere (Himeka), and tsundere x 2 (Chiwa and Ai).
No fans for homo best friend? I'm disappointed.
To be fair, he doesn't routinely blackmail Masuzu
The sad thing is that he openly shows his chuuni tendencies rather often.
From what I have read, the LN is blatantly one-sided about Masuzu, but the anime has show a very different fan dynamic at work and I have no doubt that this will influence the story of the original LN, making this a four horses race and not just a "story of a bitchy girl".
I think they cut way too much from the LN, like most of Volume 2, one of the most development-heavy parts of the series.
well what ı don't understand in this series why Chiwa doesn't know Eita is not interested in love. she is his childhood friend for many years. most probably her thoughts were "he loves me so he is not interested in other girls"
well Ai suprised me a lot in this episode. so she wasn't just an idiot in love. she can observe well.
DragoonKain3
2013-03-25, 09:36
Wait, there are ships other than the Masuzu ship?
...why?
For canon ships, not sure either. Even I gave up on episode 1, but I HAD to watch the rest of the epiosdes when a friend told me Kayano Ai was in it later on. And man, I'm glad I did despite having next to no chance of winning, because Kayano blew the other performances right out of the water. IMO the later episodes were worth watching for Kayano alone.
But yeah, it's obvious that Masuzu will win the competition, because all this time she was 'faking' her 'fake love'. And we all know how good a faker that little #!@#% is. Or at least, she will be recognized as the official girlfriend.
well what ı don't understand in this series why Chiwa doesn't know Eita is not interested in love. she is his childhood friend for many years. most probably her thoughts were "he loves me so he is not interested in other girls"
More surprised that she doesn't know about Burning Fighting Fighter. She should've known immediately it was Eita Masuzu was quoting when reading the book, especially since Eita had no inhibitions from acting his fantasies back in middle school. But for some reason she absolutely has no idea that Eita even had delusions... :shrug:
But yeah, it's obvious that Masuzu will win the competition, because all this time she was 'faking' her 'fake love'. And we all know how good a faker that little #!@#% is. Or at least, she will be recognized as the official girlfriend.
Oi oi... still such harsh words? Even after this episode? Hidoi neh...
Used Can
2013-03-25, 12:13
well Ai suprised me a lot in this episode. so she was just an idiot in love. she can observe well.
Oh, yeah, I also wanted to comment on that too, but I forgot due to Hime's ever-growing boobs.
Anyhow, it was cool to see the generally over-the-top Ai to show a rather serious side this episode and being really perceptive of things. She almost got Masuzu figured out, probably because she can relate too. We know she too is popular with boys - as shown in at cram school - even if not as much as Masuzu. However, she can probably tell how annoying it must be to keep receiving confessions from random losers in the lamest ways, especially when they've got no other relationship than classmates.
I also liked it how she thought of the possibility of Masuzu using Eita simply to avoid those confessions (well, at first), by noticing that Masuzu hadn't been receiving as many confessions lately plus the strange behaviour between Masuzu and Eita.
I think I could enjoy more serious behaviour every now and then - though, I wouldn't know if I should be expecting this from Chiwa and even less from Hime.
Man, if this series somehow ends up selling well overall I'd really like them to animate the Ai spin-off manga one day. I think she's easily the most popular girl for the TV audience in the West and Japan. So, it could probably receive even more attention than the main series, especially if her spin-off ends up being different enough.
Anyway, I cannot stop myself from keeping on praising Ai Kayano. She's done a terrific job with Ai, probably one of her most outstanding jobs, but at the same time, I don't think she'd be doing such a great job if the character herself wouldn't demand it. So, it shows too how much of a good and entertaining character Ai is. This is clearly a case in which a character and a VA were meant for each other. It's funny considering the initial big expectatives were for Chiwa Saito being Masuzu's VA, as many claimed that she had been almost tailor-made for Saitou, yet despite the initial disbelief by some, Yukarin proved to be an amazing choice for the role. Then, the big surprised actually ended up being Ai and ... Ai.
Aqua Knight
2013-03-25, 15:56
I dropped the show when the 3rd girl appeared.
Did anything cool happen to make me watch it again?
I dropped the show when the 3rd girl appeared.
Did anything cool happen to make me watch it again?
4th girl is awesome. Masuzu arc is awesome. So, yes.
yes it's quite obvious we're in for a masuzu end, never really that fond of her. Even though I like her VA much. she and what she does just doesn't click with me, not even her "looks", even with the back story. inferred as much long before too.
Ai on the other hand was great :) but yeah no win there.
sentimental wise though one would wish to see a Chiwa end.
Misslaly
2013-03-28, 04:14
Eithe Masuzu end or an open one. But I'm seriously liking the open one better, I just find it so typical if he ends up with Masuzu, he never really worried before now all of the sudden typicalBOOMwithbackstoryblablareasonswithfamilypro blemsbla. Story-wise a Chiwa ending will be nice, Heck even an Ai ending. Chiwa, even though she has a lots of defaults and is very clingy (even though I understand why) can be likeable, a lot actually. Her and Ai's feeling really moved this series, and there wa a time I was thinking of quitting:p
rarely_upset
2013-03-28, 10:01
If there were a Chiwa end, and they got married, wouldn't Eita be ethically barred from operating on Chiwa? Just a thought.
^ huh? why would that be? as long as they both agree I see no issue. 'te iu ka...oops, i mean if Eita turned out to be the best doctor/surgeon in the world it would be weird and rather unfair to chiwa in he can't operate on her.....
i've seen examples IRL of these.
Okashira
2013-03-29, 01:21
^ huh? why would that be? as long as they both agree I see no issue. 'te iu ka...oops, i mean if Eita turned out to be the best doctor/surgeon in the world it would be weird and rather unfair to chiwa in he can't operate on her.....
Supposedly there are regulations and stuff where you can't do any work associated with relative or loved ones. For example, if a cops family is under investigation or protection or something, by law they must prevent the cop from knowing because emotion can get in the way and risk objective work, creating possible unforeseen dangers (aka, human fault).
For regular doctors I have never heard of any restriction, but Eita is trying to be an specialized surgeon and thus it's considered a delicate job, so there it might be some thing like that (restrictions that fictional media usually ignores anyway).
..... It's funny how I can't even imagine an hypothetical example of Eita being married to Chiwa :heh: In fact Eita ending up married is already hard to swallow (love =/= marriage, it's simple).
Supposedly there are regulations and stuff where you can't do any work associated with relative or loved ones. For example, if a cops family is under investigation or protection or something, by law they must prevent the cop from knowing because emotion can get in the way and risk objective work, creating possible unforeseen dangers (aka, human fault).
For regular doctors I have never heard of any restriction, but Eita is trying to be an specialized surgeon and thus it's considered a delicate job, so there it might be some thing like that (restrictions that fictional media usually ignores anyway).
..... It's funny how I can't even imagine an hypothetical example of Eita being married to Chiwa :heh: In fact Eita ending up married is already hard to swallow (love =/= marriage, it's simple).
There would be no ethical issues unless the surgery was done outside of licensed facility. Families of cosmetic surgeons are well known to get lots of surgeries, so unless it's something Japanese specific, there isn't any issue. Doctors, especially surgeons, are more like plumbers than most people realize. The jobs operate pretty similarly, actually, including licensing, ranks and insurance. It's just a matter of task. :)
As for Chiwa herself, it'd be at least 14 years or so before Eita would even be in a position to actually lead a surgical operation team (and even at 30 that's kind of a stretch). So, there's nothing he'd ever be able to do directly for her back, as that's just too long off. Plus, what little information we have would imply it's damage to the discs in her lower back (which is why Kendo is just out, as you can't stabilize your back properly). So, there really isn't much do to on the surgical end unless things get worse, but then that can be dealt with already.
The end result is that becoming a doctor to help Chiwa is simply a reason for him to focus on something. His Burning Fighting Fighter stuff was simply a way to deal with the emotional disaster that was his family, but he had a great deal of energy and drive that was going no where. And he knew it. So, Chiwa's injury gave him a reason to set a long term goal and work on it. Which just means that, at the end, Chiwa is actually unimportant to that goal, irrespective of being able to actually do anything about it.
Ravenblitz
2013-03-30, 06:20
http://i.imgur.com/KbpNIwYl.jpg (http://imgur.com/KbpNIwY)
DragoonKain3
2013-03-30, 11:41
Ho-hum. Wrong on Masuzu winning the contest, but right on Masuzu letting go of her fake personality (even for a little bit) and the show reinforcing that she is the official girlfriend. Why am I not surprsied at all? :heh:
Which makes me quite mad about her cockblock in the end. I mean, she already got Eita's love confession, official girlfriend status, and a kiss on Eita's initiative. Did she really have to interrupt Chiwa's 'moment' as well? Like I was, "Go frigging AWAY! You pretty much already won dammit, let Chiwa get HER consolation prize." :mad:
Yeah, just kind of miffed that Chiwa's time with Eita was interrupted, when Masuzu/Hime/Ai's 'time to shine' weren't. I dunno, just wasn't fair at all. Now that I think about it, I'm actually absolutely fuming right now... and Chiwa isn't my favourite girl either. >_>
Oh well, at least Ai got her 'marriage certificate' signed, and her reaction after is the reason why I love that girl so much. Which I guess is only fair because they frigging cut out her Pageant time, when I was so stoked for more air time of Kayano.
I dropped the show when the 3rd girl appeared.
Did anything cool happen to make me watch it again?
Just missed Kayano Ai's stellar performance that, as this thread has shown, is so frigging awesome that it made people jump ship. :heh:
II Maestro
2013-03-30, 11:51
Hahaha .... A-chan wins thanks to Eita's stamp.
U<3Anime
2013-03-30, 11:57
Ever since Ai-chan joined this show picked up and got a whole lot more entertaining. Real shame that it has to end at this point when it just started to get good.
kk2extreme
2013-03-30, 12:08
2nd season? :confused:
Azuma Denton
2013-03-30, 13:13
NOOOOO !!!!
Why it must end?!!!
Arrrgggghhh, i will miss the battlefield between those 4....
2nd season please !!!!
And that ED song where they reprise all the scenes but with reverse role between the girls is quite funny. :heh:
http://i.imgur.com/JZWCIYWl.jpg (http://imgur.com/JZWCIYW) http://i.imgur.com/aW1ZfNul.jpg (http://imgur.com/aW1ZfNu)
http://i.imgur.com/8ES0Htwl.jpg (http://imgur.com/8ES0Htw) http://i.imgur.com/Zlss7Mbl.jpg (http://imgur.com/Zlss7Mb)
ookamigirl
2013-03-30, 13:42
So the final episode is here.
That swimsuit contest sure served a higher purpose.
Flashbacks were really nice as well.
The girls were especially all over Eita this time.
Masuzu was such a stubborn girl with lots of walls around her.
Looks like Eita finally broke through her defenses and insecurities.
Nice final episode.
Haiprbim
2013-03-30, 13:48
Episode 12 was amazing, cannot wait for the final episode!
Oh god, Pink won so hard this final episode. Pink, why are you so cute :(
Although, Masuzu snuggling on Eita in Yurarin voice was very deadly as well :D
Kaoru Chujo
2013-03-30, 13:51
2nd season? :confused:That's what it seems like to me. Not really a harem end, since he's only declared himself for Masuzu. But the battlefield can continue.
Not sure what the viewership or pre-sales are like, but it's a solid middle-populariity show on 2channel, not up with Love Live (125,000 posts), Tamako Market (80,000), and Vividred (75,000), but in the same range as Maoyu, with almost 30,000 posts.
Good show. EDIT: ...no matter what these other jaded old commenters think, lol. All four girls were well played and interesting characters, for me. I mean, this is a harem comedy, not a noitaminA drama. A couple of comments reveal again the danger of reading the source material. Never read the whole thing if you can avoid it. The only show I know that lived up to its source was Honey & Clover, which for most of its run followed the manga almost frame for frame...and that wouldn't work for a lot of shows.
Okashira
2013-03-30, 13:55
Ah. I didn't liked how they removed Eita's monologue in the end, where he realizes that he has absolutely no way out of the Shuraba da! :heh:
They also didn't allocated enough time to explain the importance of Monyo Monyo and it's practical applications :heh:
..... Something tells me that the extra domestic release episode is also going to have Kaori in a swimming suit.
I loved the body swapping at the end. Chiwa bullying Masuzu? Masuzu giving an Ai-Bentou to Eita? :eyespin:
They also removed Masuzu trying to get Eita to call her beautiful, and Eita squealing his way out of it (which seems to become a common occurrence from now on).
Large image :
http://i.imgur.com/jvu5MF2.jpg (http://imgur.com/jvu5MF2)
Dysprosium
2013-03-30, 14:21
Something tells me that the extra domestic release episode is also going to have Kaori in a swimming suit.
There is?
Will it be broadcast on TV too?
Reckoner
2013-03-30, 14:25
....
Well that simply awful. Even by harem show standards, this was particularly bad. The attempts to humanize Masuzu's character over the course of this show fell remarkably flat. It was more amusing when she was simply a mean hearted girl who was trolling out cast. Just a complete failure at evoking any sort of empathy from me, and in the end the drama was just silly.
2/10 for the show.
....
Well that simply awful. Even by harem show standards, this was particularly bad. The attempts to humanize Masuzu's character over the course of this show fell remarkably flat. It was more amusing when she was simply a mean hearted girl who was trolling out cast. Just a complete failure at evoking any sort of empathy from me, and in the end the drama was just silly.
2/10 for the show.
I think you are missing the point of this episode. I also felt no empathy for Silver and all of her drama bits, but I still enjoyed her presense very much in this episode along with everybody else. I don't think this episode's focus was Masuzu and her teenage issues but it was rather Eita's shuraba dilema. And I love how they panned the attentions to all the cast equally to show how it is like to be in the "shuraba" route.
Furthermore, I don't think you should try to empathize with Masuzu when the girl herself admits she is a horrible bitch and should be left rotten and die. She didn't seek Eita's empathy when saying those words to me.
Just to clarify, I'm in Pink's ship, not Silver's btw :D
larethian
2013-03-30, 15:20
They also didn't allocated enough time to explain the importance of Monyo Monyo and it's practical applications :heh:
Not just that, Masuzu's antics were practically halved throughout the series...... Her phone messages were some of the funniest stuff in the story; which I think was not present in the anime at all.
Strangely, there was no real original content (other than the condensations) except for the swimsuit shopping, which was rather unexpected given what was said during a previous interview. I guess there was a possibility of not having the swimsuit shopping and to decrease v1's adaptation to do a little more justice to Hime and Mana in volume 2. But seeing how the swimsuit shopping was done not too badly, probably scoring heavily with Ai fans, it might not be a bad strategy to sell the anime.
The abrupt ending could have been done better (yes, with Eita's monologue).
Not too sure what to make of it, just don't really feel too good about the manner of presentation overall (save for Ai's antics, which did feel different when animated and voiced :heh:). Not really sure whether I actually want a 2nd season of the anime :/
Normally I can't be bothered (I have only done it once with Papakiki, though several times with Denyuuden, and this is the only time I'm doing it for OreShura :heh:), but the reason I'm posting this is because I want people (at least for those who are interested) to see how toned down Masuzu's antics were in the anime. Extrapolate throughout the entire series, and well, it's no longer the same... (note that I'm not trying to blame A1 staff here; at least they didn't trainwreck it like Magi LOL)
The following morning.
When I awoke, Masuzu's beautiful face was before my eyes.
"............!?"
In light blue pajamas, she was straddling over my stomach and gazing down at me. Her hanging silver hair brushed across her cheeks.
"W-What are you doing? Masuzu-san."
"I was looking at the sleeping face of the man who has deceived me."
"O-Oh."
"I was going to kill you."
"......"
Even though she was saying something really heavy, Masuzu's face was calm.
It's a complete change from her crestfallen expression yesterday, and it seemed now like she was possessed by some evil.
"You should have slept a little longer. I was going to return you the favor on your sneak attack last night.
"Sneak attack?"
Aah, she must have meant the kiss on stage.
"But, in the first place, you were the one who told me to kiss you."
"I didn't tell you to do it in front of so many people. We didn't even discuss and rehearse on it."
"I didn't have a choice right. There was no time for that."
Besides, if we had discussed about it, there was no way it could have turned out that way. It would have probably become an anxious, stammering and stumbling, unnatural confession.
It was a kiss done without any rehearsal, leaving it to the flow of things.
"Just to make sure, I need to verify something."
While still riding on me, Masuzu's face closed in.
"Your confession was a total act right? You didn't really fall for me right?"
"...... that's obvious isn't it?"
Her face came peering into me just inches away, and I averted my gaze.
"I really hate you. Once you return my notebook, we'll go our separate ways. Regardless of how beautiful your face may be."
"--- I see."
Masuzu's eyes narrowed, and her face came even closer.
"You're acknowledging that I have a beautiful face?"
Her sweet breath fell onto my nose. I was feeling faint.
"Hey, am I really that beautiful?"
"...... d-don't say something something like a fellow with a lovestruck mind."
Masuzu giggled.
"Say, if Harusaki-san's beauty points amount to 1, how much would mine amount to? Hey hey."
"A-Are you really asking that!? You really have an extraordinary bad personality!"
Upon saying that, Masuzu acknowledged that by puffing out her chest in an unapologetic way.
"Didn't you say it last night as well? My personality is the most horrid. That I am ill-natured, shameless, insolent, impudent, brazen, vulgar, always humiliating, scorning, mocking, speaking ill of others and demeaning others, and."
"Did I go to that extent!? Wasn't I much more lenient than that!?"
She could actually speak that badly of herself. Well done.
"Stuck up, arrogant, willful, absurd, full of nonsense, unreasonable, pathetic, tragic, wretched --- and also, a girl who loves you very much."
"............"
"Remember it well, Eita. Your 'girlfriend' is such a woman."
...... now, the last part was fake right?
Masuzu?
"By the way, the last part on 'a girl who loves you very much' is the most tragic of all."
"Why!? Why is loving me tragic!?"
"That's obvious right. To follow you to the place of Mayhem where 2 x childhood friends + ex-girlfriend are at, there's nothing more tragic than that."
"Guh."
I can't dispute that!
Following that, in a covering fashion, she collapsed onto me. In between the cotton blanket, she pressed against me, and consequently, I came to know her exact body shape.
"Eeita ♪"
"!?"
This woman, where did that voice come from?
Did I hear it wrongly? It was like the voice of a lovely girl......?
"Uwufufu. Eita. Eeiitaa. Such a wonderful person, is my boyfriend. Fufufu."
"...... Ma,"
Masuzu is broken! She's finally broken!
No wait,
"T-This is also an act right? You're faking it right?"
Masuzu then looked up,
"That's obvious right? Do you think I'll seriously do such a loathsome 'flirtatious lovey dovey' act? Please don't insult me."
"Y-yeah, so true. Aah, I was surprised."
"Jeez. Eita gets so easily deceived."
"Hahaha, I got fooled."
"I also love this about Eita."
"!?"
Masuzu, while lying on me and hugging me, started rubbing her cheeks against my chest.
As if she was rubbing a scent into my body, she kept rubbing. And consequently, the bed creaked.
Just like that time in the bus.
The only thing different from then was that her body was glued to mine, and my entire body was shaking left, right, up, and down, what's this geez, jeez, aah --- things are becoming real strange!
"M-Masuzu-san? What are you doing all this while?"
"Breathe."
"Am I still in elementary school!"
"Breathe with your gills."
"Am I a fish! I'm asking you what's all the cheek rubbing for!"
"Aah this? This is --- 'Mo-nyo-mo-nyo'."
My head went blank.
"............ m-mo-nyo?"
"Yeah, mo-nyo-mo-nyo. It's very good for health."
Masuzu's eyes were sparkling,
"I've always had a frail body up till elementary school. Even for school lunches, I was the last to finish, for track sprints, I was also the last. I always got melancholic when the annual autumn sports meet came, and as the day drew near, I would hang the Teru Teru Bozu upside down. At that time, I chanced upon the 'Mo-nyo-mo-nyo'. Just by doing it five minutes of this exercise in the morning upon waking up and in the night before sleeping everyday, day after day, my stamina gradually increased, my appetite came, my waist became narrower, and even my luck with money was getting better, and I was so much healthier than before. Even now, my friends and relatives have recommended to continue with it."
"...... raising your luck with money is quite impossible......"
"Just my humble opinion."
"Aah, then say that at the beginning!"
"By the way, frankly, a person who experiences Mo-nyo-mo-nyo has an eighty-seven percent chance of getting pregnant afterwards."
"That's a lie, that's just not possible!"
"Just my humble opinion."
"That's not an opinion, it's clearly your imaginatiooooooooonnnnnnnnn!"
It was too much a comeback line that my throat went hoarse.
As I was gasping for breath, Masuzu snuggled up to me.
"Hey, Eita."
"...... what?"
"Coming to the beach and staying overnight with a boyfriend, mucking and flirting around in the morning on the bed, all that make me feel as if my body is rotting from the core."
"Yeah, totally."
While listening to the sound of waves, we exchanged such idle talk that can be said to downright completely useless.
There was nothing to be gained, nothing of value to obtained from speaking or listening to it.
However, as to whether I dislike that or not ---.
Masuzu hit both my cheeks with her hands,
"Rotting and returning to the earth with you, may not sound like a bad idea."
"......"
What did she mean by that?
Did she mean she was going to give up on being anti-love?
At that moment.
"Eita, are you awake?"
After a knock on the door, I could hear Saeko-san's voice call out to me.
Seems like today is her 'awaken mode'.
"Stay quiet", I told Masuzu with my eyes and then replied,
"I-I'm awake. What's up?"
"I came to see you before going back to the office. There's something I need to talk to you about, can you come down for a while?"
"Alright. I'll be right there."
After waiting for a while for Saeko-san's presence to disappear completely,
"Masuzu, go back to your own room."
"I wonder what Auntie wants to talk about?"
"Who knows......"
I was quite sure it's about the contest yesterday though.
Masuzu's shoulders drooped,
"I didn't manage to win the contest after all. Perhaps, she really has no intention of accepting me as your girlfriend."
Quite frankly, even as her family, I didn't know either.
I wonder how Saeko-san took what had happened yesterday.
"Well, at any rate, I'll be going."
"Will it be ok? Shall I come along?"
I said to the Masuzu who was looking at me anxiously.
"Trust your 'boyfriend', would you?"
"--- hn, got it."
Be careful, Masuzu whispered into my ear and kissed me lightly on the cheek.
...... ermmmm.
Somehow, somehow, you know.
I myself no longer knew whether I was a fake or not......
And to quote my own summary on the ending:
This is a pretty interesting chapter that's pretty satisfying to read. Basically Masuzu has gone into an uncureable stage of 恋愛脳 (lovestruck mind) wwwwww!! A state of mind which both she and Eita were very much anti against www. Prior to that, it talks about the conclusion of the contest, with a 10 year old winning, and Chiwa won the 'Effort' award. Following that is the exchange between Masuzu and Eita translated here. Masuzu fans, prepare your body!!
Eita then proceeded to see Saeko. Saeko commented that Eita has chosen the Shuraba (Mayhem) route, instead of the Harem route. She then offered another route, which allows him to avoid the Mayhem route, but yet unable to get back into the Harem route. Eita agreed as long as he could avoid Mayhem. The 3rd route is called the Reverse Capture route, where except for his girlfriend, Eita shall make the rest of the girls hate him. Needless to say he failed for all.
For Hime: she had fantasized about him being a knight (Burning Fighting Fighter). Eita now claimed that his memories of his past life has returned, and he's actually a Villager A . Hime then said in that case, it was even better since she can protect him instead and hug him without waiting to be hugged.
For Ai: He wanted to destroy their marriage agreement which was made when they were kids. But instead, he accidentally got his blood onto it, and it became a fingerprint, a binding seal!
For Chiwa is the finale: Eita didn't want to make Chiwa hate him, unlike the other 2, he just wanted to reaffirm their friendship (like siblings) and he will stick with her until he has cured her. Strangely, Chiwa was the only one who wasn't angry at Eita kissing Masuzu in chapter 12. The reason was because they were a couple anyway. After some dialogue, she stretched herself upwards suddenly and kissed Eita. Eita didn't manage to dodge it because he thought she wouldn't reach him. But she did, because she grew a little but Eita didn't notice it. She then mentioned in a teary voice that she had said it many times but Eita had never noticed it. The thing she said was referring to 'I love you'. Masuzu then appeared, and:
Natsukawa Masuzu smiled.
Masuzu: It looks pretty fun huh, childhood friend. Can I join in as well?
Wiping her tears off, Chiwa grinned as well.
Chiwa: Read the atmosphere already, girlfriend. Come back again after nine years.
I stood rooted between the two of them, realizing my Third Route is now shut off.
What has to come will come.
--- There's too much mayhem between my girlfriend and childhood friend.
EDIT: Those bolded should be the stuff missing.
I want to see the girls reactions when they find out Ai-chan turned the papers to the city hall.
HandofFate
2013-03-30, 15:49
Wow, first half with the contest was sappy as hell.
Also I HATE the random crowd commentary about how a girl looks like a doll or how cute she is. I didn't mind it as much before, but its starting to annoy me. Maybe because to me, its just filler noise.
How come the crowd didn't notice like almost half the contestants was for one guy. Expected them to throw things at him.
Poor Chiwa :( Dang you Musuzu, you thieving cat.
Musuzu going all dere on Eita in the morning was good though.
I think Chiwa still has a chance....girlfriend isn't wife!
I really liked Chiwa's last line.
http://i3.dealtwith.it/i/n/e2531889e4ad8f7c18653200b3bd75ce/chiwa.jpg
Wow, first half with the contest was sappy as hell.
Also I HATE the random crowd commentary about how a girl looks like a doll or how cute she is. I didn't mind it as much before, but its starting to annoy me. Maybe because to me, its just filler noise.
How come the crowd didn't notice like almost half the contestants was for one guy. Expected them to throw things at him.
Poor Chiwa :( Dang you Musuzu, you thieving cat.
Musuzu going all dere on Eita in the morning was good though.
I think Chiwa still has a chance....girlfriend isn't wife!
well a childhood friend is not a wife too. :D that means it is Ai's win this time.if you are talking about husband and wife :D actually in the anime they made Masuzu a boring character. ı was a fan of her when I read manga and LN yet ı didn't get the same feeling in the anime except for some moments. Main female characters tend to be annoying in animes but they shouldn't waste a character like Masuzu
Humble Loser
2013-03-30, 17:04
Good final episode. No way was Eita going to have a mayhem route and avoid the dreaded harem scenario going into the future. No matter what he could have said or done, the girls like him too much to completely back away. So his aunt's idea had no real chance of working. Ai still wants to marry him, Hime just loves Eita period, Chiwa can't fathom leaving Eita totally alone and Musuzu seems to be leaving the anti-love philosophy behind.
Until next time, it was fun.
Okashira
2013-03-30, 17:58
Not just that, Masuzu's antics were practically halved throughout the series...... Her phone messages were some of the funniest stuff in the story; which I think was not present in the anime at all.
Normally I can't be bothered (I have only done it once with Papakiki, though several times with Denyuuden, and this is the only time I'm doing it for OreShura :heh:), but the reason I'm posting this is because I want people (at least for those who are interested) to see how toned down Masuzu's antics were in the anime. Extrapolate throughout the entire series, and well, it's no longer the same... (note that I'm not trying to blame A1 staff here; at least they didn't trainwreck it like Magi LOL)
The following morning.
When I awoke, Masuzu's beautiful face was before my eyes.
"............!?"
In light blue pajamas, she was straddling over my stomach and gazing down at me. Her hanging silver hair brushed across her cheeks.
"W-What are you doing? Masuzu-san."
"I was looking at the sleeping face of the man who has deceived me."
"O-Oh."
"I was going to kill you."
"......"
Even though she was saying something really heavy, Masuzu's face was calm.
It's a complete change from her crestfallen expression yesterday, and it seemed now like she was possessed by some evil.
"You should have slept a little longer. I was going to return you the favor on your sneak attack last night.
"Sneak attack?"
Aah, she must have meant the kiss on stage.
"But, in the first place, you were the one who told me to kiss you."
"I didn't tell you to do it in front of so many people. We didn't even discuss and rehearse on it."
"I didn't have a choice right. There was no time for that."
Besides, if we had discussed about it, there was no way it could have turned out that way. It would have probably become an anxious, stammering and stumbling, unnatural confession.
It was a kiss done without any rehearsal, leaving it to the flow of things.
"Just to make sure, I need to verify something."
While still riding on me, Masuzu's face closed in.
"Your confession was a total act right? You didn't really fall for me right?"
"...... that's obvious isn't it?"
Her face came peering into me just inches away, and I averted my gaze.
"I really hate you. Once you return my notebook, we'll go our separate ways. Regardless of how beautiful your face may be."
"--- I see."
Masuzu's eyes narrowed, and her face came even closer.
"You're acknowledging that I have a beautiful face?"
Her sweet breath fell onto my nose. I was feeling faint.
"Hey, am I really that beautiful?"
"...... d-don't say something something like a fellow with a lovestruck mind."
Masuzu giggled.
"Say, if Harusaki-san's beauty points amount to 1, how much would mine amount to? Hey hey."
"A-Are you really asking that!? You really have an extraordinary bad personality!"
Upon saying that, Masuzu acknowledged that by puffing out her chest in an unapologetic way.
"Didn't you say it last night as well? My personality is the most horrid. That I am ill-natured, shameless, insolent, impudent, brazen, vulgar, always humiliating, scorning, mocking, speaking ill of others and demeaning others, and."
"Did I go to that extent!? Wasn't I much more lenient than that!?"
She could actually speak that badly of herself. Well done.
"Stuck up, arrogant, willful, absurd, full of nonsense, unreasonable, pathetic, tragic, wretched --- and also, a girl who loves you very much."
"............"
"Remember it well, Eita. Your 'girlfriend' is such a woman."
...... now, the last part was fake right?
Masuzu?
"By the way, the last part on 'a girl who loves you very much' is the most tragic of all."
"Why!? Why is loving me tragic!?"
"That's obvious right. To follow you to the place of Mayhem where 2 x childhood friends + ex-girlfriend are at, there's nothing more tragic than that."
"Guh."
I can't dispute that!
Following that, in a covering fashion, she collapsed onto me. In between the cotton blanket, she pressed against me, and consequently, I came to know her exact body shape.
"Eeita ♪"
"!?"
This woman, where did that voice come from?
Did I hear it wrongly? It was like the voice of a lovely girl......?
"Uwufufu. Eita. Eeiitaa. Such a wonderful person, is my boyfriend. Fufufu."
"...... Ma,"
Masuzu is broken! She's finally broken!
No wait,
"T-This is also an act right? You're faking it right?"
Masuzu then looked up,
"That's obvious right? Do you think I'll seriously do such a loathsome 'flirtatious lovey dovey' act? Please don't insult me."
"Y-yeah, so true. Aah, I was surprised."
"Jeez. Eita gets so easily deceived."
"Hahaha, I got fooled."
"I also love this about Eita."
"!?"
Masuzu, while lying on me and hugging me, started rubbing her cheeks against my chest.
As if she was rubbing a scent into my body, she kept rubbing. And consequently, the bed creaked.
Just like that time in the bus.
The only thing different from then was that her body was glued to mine, and my entire body was shaking left, right, up, and down, what's this geez, jeez, aah --- things are becoming real strange!
"M-Masuzu-san? What are you doing all this while?"
"Breathe."
"Am I still in elementary school!"
"Breathe with your gills."
"Am I a fish! I'm asking you what's all the cheek rubbing for!"
"Aah this? This is --- 'Mo-nyo-mo-nyo'."
My head went blank.
"............ m-mo-nyo?"
"Yeah, mo-nyo-mo-nyo. It's very good for health."
Masuzu's eyes were sparkling,
"I've always had a frail body up till elementary school. Even for school lunches, I was the last to finish, for track sprints, I was also the last. I always got melancholic when the annual autumn sports meet came, and as the day drew near, I would hang the Teru Teru Bozu upside down. At that time, I chanced upon the 'Mo-nyo-mo-nyo'. Just by doing it five minutes of this exercise in the morning upon waking up and in the night before sleeping everyday, day after day, my stamina gradually increased, my appetite came, my waist became narrower, and even my luck with money was getting better, and I was so much healthier than before. Even now, my friends and relatives have recommended to continue with it."
"...... raising your luck with money is quite impossible......"
"Just my humble opinion."
"Aah, then say that at the beginning!"
"By the way, frankly, a person who experiences Mo-nyo-mo-nyo has an eighty-seven percent chance of getting pregnant afterwards."
"That's a lie, that's just not possible!"
"Just my humble opinion."
"That's not an opinion, it's clearly your imaginatiooooooooonnnnnnnnn!"
It was too much a comeback line that my throat went hoarse.
As I was gasping for breath, Masuzu snuggled up to me.
"Hey, Eita."
"...... what?"
"Coming to the beach and staying overnight with a boyfriend, mucking and flirting around in the morning on the bed, all that make me feel as if my body is rotting from the core."
"Yeah, totally."
While listening to the sound of waves, we exchanged such idle talk that can be said to downright completely useless.
There was nothing to be gained, nothing of value to obtained from speaking or listening to it.
However, as to whether I dislike that or not ---.
Masuzu hit both my cheeks with her hands,
"Rotting and returning to the earth with you, may not sound like a bad idea."
"......"
What did she mean by that?
Did she mean she was going to give up on being anti-love?
At that moment.
"Eita, are you awake?"
After a knock on the door, I could hear Saeko-san's voice call out to me.
Seems like today is her 'awaken mode'.
"Stay quiet", I told Masuzu with my eyes and then replied,
"I-I'm awake. What's up?"
"I came to see you before going back to the office. There's something I need to talk to you about, can you come down for a while?"
"Alright. I'll be right there."
After waiting for a while for Saeko-san's presence to disappear completely,
"Masuzu, go back to your own room."
"I wonder what Auntie wants to talk about?"
"Who knows......"
I was quite sure it's about the contest yesterday though.
Masuzu's shoulders drooped,
"I didn't manage to win the contest after all. Perhaps, she really has no intention of accepting me as your girlfriend."
Quite frankly, even as her family, I didn't know either.
I wonder how Saeko-san took what had happened yesterday.
"Well, at any rate, I'll be going."
"Will it be ok? Shall I come along?"
I said to the Masuzu who was looking at me anxiously.
"Trust your 'boyfriend', would you?"
"--- hn, got it."
Be careful, Masuzu whispered into my ear and kissed me lightly on the cheek.
...... ermmmm.
Somehow, somehow, you know.
I myself no longer knew whether I was a fake or not......
And to quote my own summary on the ending:
EDIT: Those bolded should be the stuff missing.
Well, I was already aware that they were going to cut a good chunk of content, so I wasn't surprised by that. I was kinda surprised that they touched the monyo monyo but didn't give it the grandiose definition that it deserves (isn't basically Masuzu's life support? :heh:)
Also "In light blue pajamas", whoa. So I wasn't the only one who was grieving about the clothes changes (white swimming suit Masuzu > Black one). The only one that truly found totally punishable by court martial was Mana. In the segment that was animated in episode 12, Mana didn't had that boyish look in the novel, but a rather Masuzu-like dress (similar to the one she is wearing in the last scene of EP 13). The fact that Mana might dress like Masuzu can easily help establish the (at that point unknown) siscon character.
Good final episode. No way was Eita going to have a mayhem route and avoid the dreaded harem scenario going into the future.
No. What Eita was trying to prevent was the shuraba route because the harem was impossible (he wasn't interested on it in the first place). Not ditching the girls only leaves him with the Shuraba route, he lost his chance of an harem when he got closer to Masuzu (and thus, prompted everyone else to take action). As Saeko mentioned, the harem there needed harmony and there it was no way to achieve harmony since everyone wanted to compete over him :heh:.
Technically he could have gotten the girls to hate him if he turns into a total ass for a good period of time, but it's obviously impossible due to his character (easily hinted on how he couldn't even face Ai when he considered the possibility of doing something bad to her).
I want to see the girls reactions when they find out Ai-chan turned the papers to the city hall.
Ai was planning on turning the marriage certificate when they graduate, so they still have 3 years left before it's public. Also there is no way that the city hall would accept that "childhood promise" type paper (they don't have DNA detectors :heh:)
Master_Yoma
2013-03-30, 21:18
Well it start out annoying but it made up for it with that awesome ending but there wasnt enough of Hime
6/10 anther season to see if Eita become master of the harem
HandofFate
2013-03-30, 21:29
was chiwa's last line a quote from something?
At first I thought it was a jojo quote, but don't know.
Hiroi Sekai
2013-03-30, 21:30
What an abrupt and roundabout ending. Not that I expected too much, but it really feels we didn't make it anywhere.
Not bad, enjoyed it overall.
lol at the marriage papers screwed up. That is even worse than the sakurasou version.
Villager A? Then I shall declare myself villager H then. :)
Great episode. It went differently than what I pictured, but I nonetheless still enjoyed it.
At least Masuzu won. That's really all that matters. And it felt so good.
This show really showed the problems of having multiple girls like you. That it's not all fun and games like most other series make it out to be. Realistic is a good word for it. Despite its bubbly art and pastel color palette, it was surprisingly deep and serious. And I really liked the different take on the romance too, the situation between Eita and Masuzu.
All in all I can I really enjoyed this series to the fullest. Every single episode left me wanting so much more, like a show should do. Here's hoping for a season 2!
I give Ore no Kanojo to Osananajimi ga Shuraba Sugiru a well deserved 9/10.
larethian
2013-03-30, 23:07
was chiwa's last line a quote from something?
At first I thought it was a jojo quote, but don't know.
Not that I know of. Chiwa was trying to tell Masuzu that her 9-year bond with Eita >>> Masuzu's relationship with Eita.
....
Well that simply awful. Even by harem show standards, this was particularly bad. The attempts to humanize Masuzu's character over the course of this show fell remarkably flat. It was more amusing when she was simply a mean hearted girl who was trolling out cast. Just a complete failure at evoking any sort of empathy from me, and in the end the drama was just silly.
2/10 for the show.
I thought the show failed as an adaptation. Too many details were cut that made the development believable. Like, Hime was pretty much written out of the cast, even though she was one of the most well developed in the source material and played a role in other characters' development too. Just by reading the manga there seems to be a different feel to it.
Also, note to self. After Magi, Shin Sekai Yori, Sword Art Online, and Oreshura, never trust A-1 with an adaptation ever again.
Misslaly
2013-03-31, 00:08
If these two last episodes were supposed to make me like Masuzu, then it failed horribly.
Best scene Ai getting her marriage contract signed. The Masuzu-Eita parts felt so fake and overdone in my opinion. The most heartwarming scene was Chiwa's. I felt feel my heart tightened a bit it was something I haven't felt in a long time watching anime the last time I felt like that was watching Nana ;) and Masuzu just had to come and ruin it. Eventhough I loved what Chiwa said afterwards.
The show just felt too rushed. I give it 6.5/10.
well.... 8/10 for this anime
I never expect that confession from Eita to Masuzu....
Eita also maintaining his harem well.... and maybe one of the best harem male character because he's actually doesn't want to keep his harem
A-chan is sometimes annoying but her tsundere trait is cute
Chiwa is getting mature after Eita snatched by Masuzu... and she's maybe the strongest opponent for Masuzu
Hime needs more airtime.... I don't really interested in her
Masuzu is the best character here together with Eita because both of them are developed well from first episode until last one
expecting second season... because no conclusion yet
should end this anime after the kissing scene on the stage... :heh:
Surprisingly chiwa owned the last episode (and not Ai this time), much as it shows masuzu with Eita's "confession" of sorts.... but chiwa shone through...Eita was going to reciprocate there too if only Masuzu didn't interrupt them. AND YES she's now standing on her won and facing off even against the likes of masuzu ( come back in 9 years you!!). I really am for a chiwa end, while Ai ends with ME! :heh: She still was great there managing to get that marriage certificate "stamped", DAI SHIORI!!! Oh i was all ready to hate & rage against Eita when he was contemplating ripping that certificate apart. If he did argggh....Fuming too that they didn't give her time in the pageant what's with that lame disqualification BS?!! ( hmm quite funny how through all this "michel" was just forgotten )
One thing Masuzu was rather cute in the bed cuddling scene, though I hate her interruption at the end, and I'm not quite liking the Masuzu stage scene, felt a bit ...off?
on the other hand Hime's & Chiwa's "stage" scene I felt was really good and heartfelt.
Good luck to Eita it's obvious he'll get no other route than the shuraba one :p Anyway hoping for a next season for this. pretty fun show, and more Ai can't be bad:D
Last episode was great but one thing just bugs me. As much as how I love Ai-chan since she's way too fun to watch but that scene when Masuzu said she lost her right to participate, the way Chiwa and Hime reacted seems like they were worried but in Ai-chan's case, it just came out the wrong way because she said something along the line like "So you're single now? Is this Ai-chan's epic win again?"
Maybe it's just me but I just feel that she should've said something else.
Best scene? Ai-chan jumping around after getting her marriage certificate signed.
Apparently the second season has been announced. Not confirmed yet on my end, still looking for a source. Could possibly be speculation or rumors.
playmaker2k
2013-03-31, 04:05
To be honest, I was gonna rage really hard and yell at the screen if Eita had torn up Ai's marriage papers when she was looking super depressed with dried up tear streaks still on her face. :frustrated:
Luckily, it got stamped. :cool:
bastek66
2013-03-31, 05:48
Ai was best part of this show.
http://i.minus.com/iFpuzWtAa9dHt.gif
Lord of Fire
2013-03-31, 06:28
At least Masuzu won. That's really all that matters. And it felt so good.
Did she, though, when all the other competitors aren't backing down one inch and have pretty much raised the stakes?
Anh_Minh
2013-03-31, 07:37
Yeah. Hime still has the kiddy gloves, but Chiwa went for adulterous makeouts, and Ai has a marriage contract signed in blood.
II Maestro
2013-03-31, 09:40
Ai was best part of this show.
http://i.minus.com/iFpuzWtAa9dHt.gif
Ai-chan wins! Jump Jump & Jump~!
Did she, though, when all the other competitors aren't backing down one inch and have pretty much raised the stakes?
Well, I say that because Eita wa attempting to make them hate him or not like him. He wants to be with Masuzu and let those girls be with someone else. So to me, it sounds like he chose Masuzu. But who knows, things could change,
For a moment I foolishly thought we would have a conclusive ending, but of course that didn't happen and the status quo was maintained. Only difference is that Eita is now aware of his feelings for Masuzu, which I suppose is good enough progress.
It wasn't a very good show but I very enjoyed Ai-chan's character. She was definitely the highlight of this series for me.
Haiprbim
2013-03-31, 12:41
I have just completed watching the last episode and it was simply amazing.
It looks like we will see a lot of Masuzu vs Chiwa fights if 2nd Season were to happen. :D
The last episode and the series overall get a clear 10/10 from me, great job!
broken270
2013-03-31, 13:08
So...did Ai win by default due to the accidental blood stamp of Eita? In the end, I think Chiwa stood out the most as to how strong her love of Eita was and how she wanted it to be more than just that childhood friend before and after the Mazusu confession. Clearly, Eita chose Mazusu, but this is me hoping that, somewhere, Eita would see her as a girl.
justsomeguy
2013-03-31, 18:58
Of the shows I've watched this past season, I found this to surprisingly be one of the better ones.
* Instead of randomly showing up, the heroines have a legitimate connection to Eita: Chiwa and Ai are childhood friends, Hime is attracted to him for his chuuni, and Masuzu is using him.
* Chiwa: her accident was Eita's motivation to become a doctor, and she gets frustrated as all the others begin showing up and overshadowing her, despite she having arguably the closest connection to him. She's more sympathetic than whiny though and seeing her stand up to Masuzu at the end made it all worth it.
* Masuzu: a total bitch, was faking things for so long she doesn't even know what her true feelings are, seemed like she was messing around with the other girls because she's jealous they're real. Oddly enough, not hateable, and her club really did improve the self confidence of the other girls.
* Ai: the other childhood friend, the one with the marriage promise. I would have considered her a generic tsundere, had she not opened herself up to letting the other girls screw with her through the imaginary Michel. Best reactions in the show. Also got more attention despite being introduced later than Hime.
* Hime: her role seems quite a bit less than the other heroines'. The only thing I remember her doing was standing up to Mana.
* Eita: not a bad character at all. He was aware of his status with all the girls, and even if his strategy of trying to avoid hurting any of them is doomed to eventual failure, it's more that he's a nice guy than clueless or indecisive (he actually chose to go with Masuzu at the end!). He doesn't seem to mind being Masuzu's [fake] boyfriend at all, even if he was blackmailed into it.
* Eita's diary (as well as Hime's delusions and Ai's diary) is painfully embarrassing to hear. Whenever Masuzu read from the damn thing I tried to tune out.
* What the hell! They ended the show with Chiwa and Masuza confronting each other and Eita about to scream? Still, considering that Eita was willing to go with Masuzu, that's lot farther than other series tend to go even if he has no success trying to dump the others.
Score: 8/10. For a show with a long title, this turned out better than I expected. I wouldn't mind a second season.
DragoonKain3
2013-03-31, 19:37
Did she, though, when all the other competitors aren't backing down one inch and have pretty much raised the stakes?
The problem in these situations is not whether the girls are still interested in the guy, but which girl the guy is interested in.
And in this regard, Eita not only did a love confession to Masuzu, publicly declared that she was his girlfriend, but he also kissed Masuzu on his own accord.
Oh yeah, in terms of light novels, the title pretty much tells you who's gonna 'win' with near perfect accuracy.
Of course, there's counter-arguements for these. For one, the title does not specifically name the characters, whereas the 'near perfect' accuracies of titles are titles where the character is named in it. Also, the title says "My Girlfriend and my Childhood Friend", so one can say the other two girls are still in the running because one of them is the other half of the titular characters.
Another arguement is that all what Eita did towards Masuzu in the final episode is merely just him acting all over again. That his blushed face towards Chiwa is something unique in comparison to the other girls, and that maybe Eita would've done something more with him starting to grip Chiwa's waist, if Masuzu didn't interrupt.
But to be honest? Even as THE osananajimi shipper, these counter arguments needs you to take an extra assumption. That the title must have the character's actual name in it; that you assume where they say 'girlfriend' in the title they mean 'fake' as well; and most importantly, that you assume that Eita was merely just faking everything with Masuzu. And with the razor existing, it just doesn't hold up with Masuzu's side of the debate.
But of course, there's always fan shipping. Ai > all. :p
Jin Kizuite
2013-03-31, 23:42
This is the best damn harem they I've seen in recent memory.
For me they have hit all the good checklist points and above all a loveable main protagonist. Quite a few "big hit romance" anime definitely don't have this in spades (looking at you Kodaka) so it's very refreshing to actually be able sit down and enjoy the ride.
I haven't found anything I could nitpick about looking back but this might be because I'm still in 'happy land mode' from finishing the last episode which was beautiful in so many ways. Still I will be rating this as one of my most favourite on my anime list and I wish this season had much more public attention since I feel it deserves it so.
P.S: That last scene with Chiwa my Final Fantasy 7 flags were screaming with that music. Can someone help link me to the name in the OST? Lastly I'm quite sad that the light novel translation scene is pretty much dead so I'm eagerly awaiting the manga continuation. :)
well look eita you’re enlisted to harem battlefield you got 4 targets that will get ya good luck you’re going to need it.
give main still is troll-suzu vs chiwa.
Miraluka
2013-04-03, 12:11
Interesting series, it has the cliche for each kind of character but even the MC Eita delivered some balls instead of running like your average harem lead.
Stil, I can't see the other girls giving up if Eita chooses one, so this path will painted with love and blood.
If these two last episodes were supposed to make me like Masuzu, then it failed horribly.
Indeed, I was like ----> 6(ó_o;)?
Now, going to the serious stuf...
How much Hime's time got cut from the novels? I feel like there was some rushing and abrupted switch from her scenes, even Ai got more focuss despite being the last one being introduced(as expected from Kayano Ai's awesome perfomance).
Gintokifan22
2013-04-04, 00:29
It was a pretty good harem, I really liked Eita he was a different type of a harem male lead, he wasn't clueless like some are and knew what to do. The girls in this show are too crazy for there Eita's own good, he tried to explain to them the situation without trying to hurt them but they ended up loving him even more??? Poor Eita.
I liked Ai the best, hey at least she still thinks she has a chance and think shes got that happy endingXD It'd be great if we had a second season but..
NoemiChan
2013-04-13, 04:54
Finished the series last week.. pretty interesting characters particulary the MC and Chiwa.... I'm with Chiwa all the way,,,, the other girls are meh for me....
Again.. like the usual harem.. we got another stupid MC.... and a typical open harem end....
8/10 overall for Chiwa and the crazy notebook...
Man Chiwa is super annoying, I hate character archetypes like her.
Ai is super cute. I hope we get a season 2, if not, I'd love if more of the novels got translated
Misslaly
2013-04-18, 05:49
To me Chiwa was one of the best characters in the series, it's just a matter of opinion.
bastek66
2013-05-02, 10:28
Damn, Kantoku's art
http://i.imgur.com/YNsiQf4.jpg
sky black swordman
2013-05-02, 20:31
Damn, Kantoku's art
http://i.imgur.com/YNsiQf4.jpg
Nice angle!:heh::D
Ai-chan, I would love to have her as a my bride!:blush:
*grabs Ai-chan, and runs of with her *
Haiprbim
2013-05-08, 05:07
Damn, Kantoku's art
http://i.imgur.com/YNsiQf4.jpg
One of my favourite characters is smiling as she gets into that position... my girl! :heh:
II Maestro
2013-05-14, 08:24
Damn, Kantoku's art
http://i.imgur.com/YNsiQf4.jpg
Ai-chan wins! Yay!
Yami no Ou
2013-05-17, 08:28
Ai-chan FTW,banzai Ai shippers! :heh:
Bakaizer
2013-12-06, 02:18
Ai-chan FTW,banzai Ai shippers! :heh:
Aia or Masuzu, the rest tend to be annoying IMO
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