View Full Version : Episode 27: Teacher [Spoilers]
Scrumhalf
2004-04-10, 01:19
Alright... let's kick this up and running :D
sarcasteak
2004-04-10, 01:37
We shall see blood...and plenty of blood! :heh:
We'll see pain, pain and a lot of spit flying through the air when Izumi will unleash hell upon the elric bros.
Cheesemon
2004-04-10, 04:43
I think the title should just left as "sensei" -- I mean, they don't translate sensei to teacher in the dialogue. ^^
Man, they just showed a diaper commercial during FMA . . . what is the demographics for this show??? :twitch:
http://wgalland.hp.infoseek.co.jp/200404a.html (http://wgalland.hp.infoseek.co.jp) has lots of screenshots of this episode now.
Bout time the Elrics get their asses kicked! :heh:
Hmmm...they shifted some manga event's chronology here again. Makes me curious to see what the changes are.
Fighter Volk
2004-04-10, 22:32
Can this be? Will we see the return of one of the ultimate gods of FMA, the infamous Black Hayate?
And what are the first four pictures from? They're definitely not from the new opening, but the one on the bottom right with the Elric brothers, some of the military, and two sins sitting together? Doesn't seem likely...
hubrisnxs
2004-04-10, 22:43
Can this be? Will we see the return of one of the ultimate gods of FMA, the infamous Black Hayate?
And what are the first four pictures from? They're definitely not from the new opening, but the one on the bottom right with the Elric brothers, some of the military, and two sins sitting together? Doesn't seem likely...
I think the first 4 pics are just from a TV commercial, nothing related to the episode that aired.
For the ones that can't read Japanese. http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwgalland.hp.infoseek.co.jp%2F&lp=ja_en&intl=1
And this suggests that the first shots are not episode related. Too bad because i really want to see Black Hayate back in action.
Ooh and for those who didn't know, l33traws has released thé raw. I'm on 33%, can't wait.
Well Izumi kicked their arses good, though I think she was holding back. The motherly hug at the end was a great touch...very moving.
Good episode, I'm looking forward to seeing more Izumi, looks like she could do some serious damage. I'd love to see her up against Lust, that would be one hell of a fight...
Sonhex
Well, certainly the unidentified sin who acts like stretch armstrong in the new OP is interesting, along with the squat guy with the hornlike protrusions. Although we're running out of sins; he pretty much has to be Wrath, doesn't he?
Anyway, maybe I'm getting paranoid, eg, Does the Fuhrer have a tattoo underneath his eyepatch?but doesn't Sensei have a tattoo on her shoulder? It's a Caduceus, the Greek and now universal sign of the medical profession, a snake wrapped up a staff. Does this make her a sin? Or maybe there are seven corresponding virtues? Those would be: Prudence, Temperance, Fortitude, Justice, Faith, Hope, and Love/Charity. Is she so upset at the end of the episode by the brothers' performance of jintai rensei because it is forbidden, or because of her own painful personal past experiences?
It's just that the only characters we've met so far with tattoos have been sins, except for Scar, whose tattoo is of a different kind: a complex formula, instead of a simple soul-seal. Speaking of which, I suppose that that's the way to kill the sins--destroy their seals--although chopping them up into tiny pieces also probably works?
Interesting - ive not read any of the manga but ive been thinking about the tatoo's - i dont wanna have anything spoiled for me but it would be nice to see the virtues brought what better to fight a sin than a virtue.
Hella Cool :twitch:
Heres something that just came into my head but the tatoo's we see that seem to align what the character is. The Sins have there own, Scar has his complex one, the you have Alchemists with tatoos (transmutation tatoo's) im getting confused :confused: how do i tell the difference between what may be a transmutation circle - alchemists and tatoos that are say like the Sins who dont use alchemy.
Oh and as for you spoiler i had been wondering if there was more to him than met the eye :thinker:
Looking forward to this episode woo
Fighter Volk
2004-04-11, 12:49
Well, certainly the unidentified sin who acts like stretch armstrong in the new OP is interesting, along with the squat guy with the hornlike protrusions. Although we're running out of sins; he pretty much has to be Wrath, doesn't he?
The three dudes with Greed are not new Sins (that includes stretch armstrong) but rather three of Greed's chimeras.
And as for your little spoiler message... now wouldn't that be awesome? That'd actually prove me right! ^^
Good grief.... Transmutation circles are already that, "Circles", get it? The main component is a circle. It is easy to tell apart them from the normal tattoos.
Just watched Chinese fansub from POPGO.
Yes! They are following word from word from the manga regarding alchemy. Izumi explains again the use of circles and how alchemy works (Downloaders of my Truth piece can compare my translation with your fav fansubs later :p).
The Truth shall be revealed by then.
This episode should also put to rest certain people's theories of how Ed's circleless transmutations work.
There seems to be a slight incongruity here they have to sooth out (at least it feels like one to me).
As per the manga, Izumi knows that Ed has to see 'that' (you would know what is 'that' for those in the know) to perform the circleless transmutations. Ed of course gave that silent 'yes'. Now then why couldn't he perform circleless transmutations until the Elysia's birth episode? Looks like they messed up and should have stuck to how the manga portrayed how he got initiated into the army's ranks (and yes, I prefer the manga's portrayal, one character was darn cool in that one).
Next episode is going to be fun too. Elrics marooned :heh:
Chaosbringer
2004-04-11, 22:42
whens the normal release schedule for FMA fansubs?
Kage_Bunshin
2004-04-12, 02:11
where do you get your raws from now? since saiyaman hasn't updated its raws in who knows how many weeks
sarcasteak
2004-04-12, 02:28
As per the manga, Izumi knows that Ed has to see 'that' (you would know what is 'that' for those in the know) to perform the circleless transmutations. Ed of course gave that silent 'yes'. Now then why couldn't he perform circleless transmutations until the Elysia's birth episode? Looks like they messed up and should have stuck to how the manga portrayed how he got initiated into the army's ranks (and yes, I prefer the manga's portrayal, one character was darn cool in that one).
I liked the manga's portrayal a bit more, but as for why he couldn't perform circleless transmutations I'm just going to assume that he never bothered trying because he's so used to doing one before every transmutation.
Nine Devil
2004-04-12, 11:23
euhm Sonchou released 27 wow :|
Youko Recca
2004-04-12, 15:22
Pretty good episode.Exactly how old is Izumi?
Pretty good episode.Exactly how old is Izumi?
I've always pictured her to be in her late 20s when she first encountered the Elric Brothers. She should be in her mid 30s by now.
It was cool seeing their teacher and all, but overall, I was disappointed. Nothing much happened in this episode (same as episode 26 as well).
Wish they would get moving with the plot...
If the can keep the intensity of episodes 14,15 18-22 or episode 25 going for a long time, this series can definitely become my favorite of all time. These lapses, so to speak, hurt the series. What is even more disappointing is next week's episode preiview doesn't look any better.
But I'll give credit where it is deserved. The creators deserve credit for showing that Ed is NOT the only one who can do transmutation-circle-less alchemy... he isn't an anomaly.
Oh well... I'll watch the episode again and see if my opinion improves
Chaosbringer
2004-04-12, 18:15
This episode was ok, but not great like the others. They needed more events after the hug.
This episode and the next one will explain a lot about Ed and Al's background and (probably) the circleless transmutation. I personally find this relaxing change of pace kind of nice; besides, it was a lot longer in the manga so I won't copmlain here.
The whole Automail Valley short arc that follows will drive you nuts :heh:
*sigh* I had high hopes that the series would ride its momentum from episodes 14-25 until the end without lapsing into filler tooo much.
They better have some damn important information about alchemy in the next episode.
What annoys me is that its not like they don't have a plot to move forward (ala first 27 episodes of kenshin for example). If they had focused half the episode on Mustang's investigation, and the other half on introducing Ed's teacher (eliminating stuff about the cat and the flashback), I wouldn't have complained one bit...
I don't ask for meaningless fighting..just a more prudent use of valuable screen time.
Oh well.. I'm not going to say it WASN'T fun watching.. it really was. There's no doubt about that. Meh.. I dunno maybe i'm being too severe on the series since it comes out only once a week.
Technovia_EX
2004-04-12, 18:33
I think the information in this episode is damn important. It's not just filler. If you paid close attention and weren't just looking for the action sequences, you could easily tell that the parts about
human transmutation and the circleless alchemy mean a lot and probably relate to each other. Izumi talked to Ed about seeing 'it'. I think 'it' relates to human transmutation and being able to see and understand 'it' can make a person better in alchemy. How is that not important?
BTW, I haven't read the manga, but is 'it' something like death or something? Because of the incident, Ed was able to gain but lose things... And if people are able to perform circleless alchemy, then did people, like Izumi and Psiren to name a few, do the same thing as Ed and Al (human transmutation)?
sarcasteak
2004-04-12, 18:52
It was cool seeing their teacher and all, but overall, I was disappointed. Nothing much happened in this episode (same as episode 26 as well).
Wish they would get moving with the plot...
This episode and the next one will explain a lot about Ed and Al's background and (probably) the circleless transmutation. I personally find this relaxing change of pace kind of nice; besides, it was a lot longer in the manga so I won't complain here.
The whole Automail Valley short arc that follows will drive you nuts :heh:
Youko Recca
2004-04-12, 18:53
I have a feeling that one of the five that are attending the journey with Mustang will die.....
Technovia_EX
2004-04-12, 18:57
I have a feeling that one of the five that are attending the journey with Mustang will die.....
There's always death in this anime :( . Just look at this episode...
Komataguri
2004-04-12, 19:09
I like Ed and Als teacher.
The dreadlocks/braids and the fact that she can kick your ass, thats kinda sexy. *ecchi grin*
^ haha, Izumi is Awesome =D
This episode and the next one will explain a lot about Ed and Al's background and (probably) the circleless transmutation. I personally find this relaxing change of pace kind of nice; besides, it was a lot longer in the manga so I won't copmlain here.
The whole Automail Valley short arc that follows will drive you nuts :heh:
I also find it a rly nice relaxing pace, i like how its going as of now ^^
I liked the episode. I look forward to the next one.
I think the information in this episode is damn important. It's not just filler. If you paid close attention and weren't just looking for the action sequences, you could easily tell that the parts about
human transmutation and the circleless alchemy mean a lot and probably relate to each other. Izumi talked to Ed about seeing 'it'. I think 'it' relates to human transmutation and being able to see and understand 'it' can make a person better in alchemy. How is that not important?
BTW, I haven't read the manga, but is 'it' something like death or something? Because of the incident, Ed was able to gain but lose things... And if people are able to perform circleless alchemy, then did people, like Izumi and Psiren to name a few, do the same thing as Ed and Al (human transmutation)?
This is a minor spoiler, I do not go into what "it" really is.
This will probably appear late in episode 28 or early 29. "It" is something very important to the series. This has already been spoiled multiple times in the manga thread and other threads, if you look carefully you can find the answer. I think someone has a zip file which tells what "it" is.
FlyByNite
2004-04-12, 21:50
When they were talking I thought Ed talked about 'That' in a very sad/downbeat way. I think 'that' referred to him seeing what happened when he tried to bring his Mom back to life.
I think something about that occurrence had to do with the circle-less transmutation.
Just my 2 cents. Haven't read the manga though.
I think the information in this episode is damn important. It's not just filler. If you paid close attention and weren't just looking for the action sequences, you could easily tell that the parts about
human transmutation and the circleless alchemy mean a lot and probably relate to each other. Izumi talked to Ed about seeing 'it'. I think 'it' relates to human transmutation and being able to see and understand 'it' can make a person better in alchemy. How is that not important?
BTW, I haven't read the manga, but is 'it' something like death or something? Because of the incident, Ed was able to gain but lose things... And if people are able to perform circleless alchemy, then did people, like Izumi and Psiren to name a few, do the same thing as Ed and Al (human transmutation)?
Of course there is important information in the episode... we just found out Ed isn't the only one who can do circle-less transmutations.. Mustang and his crew got transferred to central.. the introduction of the teacher... All of these are important plot developments.
The question isn't 'did this episode have important information that advanced the plot'...
Every single episode has important information.
the question is 'did this episode have UN-important information that DIDN'T advance the plot'
The entire flashback could've been deleted and so could the incident with the cat. if those two scenes were not shown, the viewer wouldn't miss any important information.
Either way.. it was a decent episode... just wish they would keep up the intensity that they had built up instead of losing it
the question is 'did this episode have UN-important information that DIDN'T advance the plot'
The entire flashback could've been deleted and so could the incident with the cat. if those two scenes were not shown, the viewer wouldn't miss any important information.
The cat scene was an extra added to the anime I believe. And that was added so they could show that Ed can do circleless transmutation. I believe in the manga she just walks up with the cat. The flashback scene had to be shown to understand why they end up where they do next episode.
Psiren didn't perform circleless alchemy. She has transmuation circle tattooed opn her chest right above her cleavage. I thought that was a nice detail. And IMO. "IT" is propably the clown from the movie. It comes out when people die when you perform alchemy on/with them.
Melazoma
2004-04-13, 04:16
What is all this talk about not enough "plot-advancement?"
To me, the death of the cat is advancement. Izumi's explanation to death is advancement. The little girl's seeming acceptance to the reality of death is advancement. Ed's admission of his and Al's sins is advancement. The brothers getting a snot beaten out of them is advancement. A motherly embrace is advancement. They are, all in all growth of character. Without growth, there will be no end to this series and no resolution. Every step along the way in this show, each foreshadow and hint, have proven to me justified or have justified things are otherwise chaotic and wrong.
I'm not embarrased to say, I actually have my face fully tear-filled when, after a severe punishment, Izumi embraced the brothers as--if only for a moment--a mother. It was an emotional scene for me, therefore, I cry.
Nagare Ryouma
2004-04-13, 07:37
Just watched EP 27, so hope I'm not too late to chip in my opinions here :) Overall Ep 27 was good, since there were a lot of philosophies about life, especially some of them were related to Alchemy. The Elric bro's sure have a fine sensei, although she's a bit wild and aggresive :heh: (Did you see how she hit's them!? I take that as her version of a 'slap') But she does care for the duo after all; the last bit show's it all. Not to mention how she's not that bad looking eh? I'm interested to know about her past, if they'll reveal it; but what I'm even more interested in finding out is what's that mark on Izumi sensei's chest. It reminds me of one of those homoculus's mark.... Plus it seems to me that she also had once attempted to do the human transmutation.... remember how the guy changed the topic when Winry was asking Izumi whether or not she has a child? Probabaly trying to revive her child? We'll find out soon hopefully....
[Edit]: I wanna ask, the new ED song is by a singer called Crystal Kay right? I assume she's a Korean singer.... I she big or popular in Japan? Anybody know?
nooo...too many past things, i want to see some...progression of the story!! i want to see something happen in the military and/or the sins, but by the looks of it, these flash backs of Ed/Al and events relating to their teacher will be occupying the next cople of episodes, looks like there wont be story progression for 2 - 3 more episodes, which isn't bad - but considering the fact we have to wait 2 - 3 weeks, it kinda sucks.
If only i started watching when the whole of the series was released :(
I like Ed and Als teacher.
The dreadlocks/braids and the fact that she can kick your ass, thats kinda sexy. *ecchi grin*
If you thought she was sexy, check out Hawkeye!
http://w1.853.comhem.se/~u85333543/Anime/hawkeye1.jpg
I mean, she's always fully clothed. She should be in Winry's clothes in the ED. I don't really like Hentai-Winry... she's supposed to be cute, not... pornographical.
Nagare Ryouma
2004-04-13, 14:31
If you thought she was sexy, check out Hawkeye!
I mean, she's always fully clothed. She should be in Winry's clothes in the ED.
Well, Hawkeye is a sexy and attractive in her style, but Winry on the other hand... Man, watching the new ED says it all doesn't it? Her other outfit might be consider to be little, but her other outfit (the start of the ED) show's her conservative side, and that just makes her even more attractive....
Mike-1024
2004-04-13, 14:39
Interesting - ive not read any of the manga but ive been thinking about the tatoo's ...... Heres something that just came into my head but the tatoo's we see that seem to align what the character is.
I'm not so sure (not that you couldn't be right)... take a look at this:
http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~esudbi/fma/image1.png http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~esudbi/fma/image2.png
http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~esudbi/fma/image3.png http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~esudbi/fma/image4.png
http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~esudbi/fma/image5.png
It could just be some sort of school logo... you know, like the villages on Naruto.
Of course, it's possible that sensi is some sort of virtue and adopted the tatoo as her logo - after all, the brothers don't have it tatooed on.
If you look at the unenchanted suit of armour in ep.3, it doesn't have the symbol on it, even after Al is attatched. So he must have put it on himself. Ed presumably marked his coat himself as well.
Cheers,
Michael
hobobaggins
2004-04-13, 14:58
or she is a man made human = =
Actually, I'd rather have the old ED. Why did she have to lie there on the floor like that? She's not kawaii anymore... And WHY did they make her spin around and have her breasts bounce like that? The people who made the ED are CRAZY! Also, the ED-song wasn't as good as the previous one.
Anyways... back to the sexiness of female characters. :D
Just check out Sensei's cleavage! I guess she doesn't like to hide her... thingies. :)
http://w1.853.comhem.se/~u85333543/Anime/sensei1.jpg
http://w1.853.comhem.se/~u85333543/Anime/sensei2.jpg
Big ecchi-smile :D
Komataguri
2004-04-13, 17:28
http://w1.853.comhem.se/~u85333543/Anime/sensei1.jpg
http://w1.853.comhem.se/~u85333543/Anime/sensei2.jpg
Big ecchi-smile :D
I see " it ",
and I like what I see. *ecchi grin*
Actually, I'd rather have the old ED. Why did she have to lie there on the floor like that? She's not kawaii anymore... And WHY did they make her spin around and have her breasts bounce like that? The people who made the ED are CRAZY! Also, the ED-song wasn't as good as the previous one.
Anyways... back to the sexiness of female characters. :D
Just check out Sensei's cleavage! I guess she doesn't like to hide her... thingies. :)
http://w1.853.comhem.se/~u85333543/Anime/sensei1.jpg
http://w1.853.comhem.se/~u85333543/Anime/sensei2.jpg
Big ecchi-smile :D
There great *drool* :D
Melazoma
2004-04-13, 21:03
[Edit]: I wanna ask, the new ED song is by a singer called Crystal Kay right? I assume she's a Korean singer.... I she big or popular in Japan? Anybody know?
About Crystal Kay... at least according to the Bio on her official website, http://www.c-kay.com/ she is half-American and half-Korean born in Yokohama, Japan. Popularity-wise... I have no idea
Carrackus
2004-04-13, 23:04
sheesh i felt that final beating in my seat :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
I see " it ",
and I like what I see. *ecchi grin*
Hahaha! Yeah! "It" is very clear now! NOW I understand why she got so angry when Ed said he had seen "it"! ;) ;) ;)
I was wondering...remember when they flashback to the time the elric brothers wanted to stop the river from overflowing...then izumi came and help...why'd she bleed and stuff after she preformed a transmutation?
WabukiSensei
2004-04-14, 19:51
I was wondering...remember when they flashback to the time the elric brothers wanted to stop the river from overflowing...then izumi came and help...why'd she bleed and stuff after she preformed a transmutation?
Cuz she's sick
Indeed I think too that the teacher is a Homonunculus. Dont the Homonunculi that we saw so far have all little tatoos like this one? The fat guy who wants to eat everybody and everything has it on his tongue for example I think. Also if she was a Homonunculus that would explain why the people reacted so weird as Winry asked the sensei about children, as the Homonunculus seem to be not human in a way still, so most likely they cant "reproduce". And her age, which some wondered about maybe has something to do with it too...
Oh and remember when she acted all hurt in that one flashback when Ed compared her to a State Alchemist? She was so mad that the state Alchemists take lives of innocent people just like that... maybe just as it happened to create her, who knows :hmm:
WabukiSensei
2004-04-14, 21:52
Indeed I think too that the teacher is a Homonunculus. Dont the Homonunculi that we saw so far have all little tatoos like this one? The fat guy who wants to eat everybody and everything has it on his tongue for example I think. Also if she was a Homonunculus that would explain why the people reacted so weird as Winry asked the sensei about children, as the Homonunculus seem to be not human in a way still, so most likely they cant "reproduce". And her age, which some wondered about maybe has something to do with it too...
Oh and remember when she acted all hurt in that one flashback when Ed compared her to a State Alchemist? She was so mad that the state Alchemists take lives of innocent people just like that... maybe just as it happened to create her, who knows :hmm:
Nah, she's no homunculus, it's just a tatoo, not related to homonculi at all. Besides, I doubt homunculi ever get sick, and the reason she's coughing up blood is because she's sick, and that's also the reason why she can't reproduce.
It's because she did something that caused her to get sick and thus, unable to reproduce. Also, it has something to do with the fact that she can do alchemy without a transmutation circle. Homunculi can't do alchemy, remember?
Interesting episode, the slowdown in pace since that death (don't wanna spoil for silly peeps reading ahead :) ) is nice, in a information gathering way. And I think they had to slow it down so they have something to build to in the second half. I think it'll be really intense from about ep 35 onwards, but they'll build the depth of the story first.
As for the discussion of 'it' - I have not read the manga, and I don't want to spoil it, but the preview for ep 28 actual tells you explicitly and axactly what 'it' is. So if you want to know, watch it very carefully, and think hard on it (yes, it isn't obvious, but it's there) and if you don't, well, don't :)
I just watched this episode and I really liked it. I've always felt that the series was a bit lacking on the emotional department, considering it has themes of life and death. Well, maybe '"lacking" is not the right word, but it felt sort of plagued with gaps here and there. It's actually my favorite right now.
I'm glad this episode revisited the past--specifically, Ed and Al's attempts in human transmutation--since most of the time, the series focuses more on the conflict regarding the Philosopher's Stone. Moreover, instead of simply showing their struggle to go beyond their tragic experience, this episode also shows that at the same time, this experience has become an undeniable part of who they are in the present.
And yeah, about Ed and Al's teacher--she's definitely one fine woman. :) She's easily become one of my favorite female anime/manga characters so far. You gotta love a woman who can stand on equal terms with her husband. And the last part--damn. I just thought it was touching knowing that Ed and Al had lost their mom and all.
Izumi can't be a Homunculus... From the very simple reason, she can use alchemy.
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