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Belgaesh

2012-08-06, 15:02

http://i.imgur.com/0LzEvl.png
Original title: 魔弾の王と戦姫
Author: 川口士 (Tsukasa Kawaguchi)
Illustrator: よし☆ヲ (Yoshi☆Wo)
Publisher: MF Bunko J

Summary by Kira0802: (B-T Forums)
In times of war, set in Western Europe, Ellenora Viltaria, is one of the seven Vanadis of Zhcted, leads the war into Brune. There are actually seven Vanadis, named like this because they each received a powerful weapon from the dragon, to reign over 7 territories, each possessing their own. The power of the Vanadis cause dread and fear towards their ennemies because of their power. An earl in the service of the country of Brune, a young archer called Tigre, got a taste of it after he got defeated on the battlefield by Ellen (Ellenora). However, Ellen decided to spare his life after seeing his skills. In exchange, he is asked to serve Ellen...

http://i.imgur.com/dpNhpl.jpg (http://imgur.com/dpNhp)
http://i.imgur.com/VysQzl.jpg (http://imgur.com/VysQz)
http://i.imgur.com/mgP8Yl.jpg (http://imgur.com/mgP8Y)
http://i.imgur.com/YuRyql.jpg (http://imgur.com/YuRyq)

I started reading this after seeing the summaries of the series by zephyr325 on jCafe. It really is a great series, very fun to read and the heroines are great, like in DxD they don't get as embarrased if seen in compromising positions if compared to other series.

peinmaximus@

2012-08-06, 15:54

hey guys,whom (what girls) is in love with the MC?how many girls the MC have in his harem?
and who speak the vol.1,2,3 and 4 of this LN?

Athena

2012-08-06, 16:06

This is extremely good. There's no settings such as strong MC + weak girls or weak MC + strong girls here. No annoying X wants to protect Y or what. There are no real girl that you can hate on. This is a novel based on action, strategy, fantasy and romance, though the latter occupies a reasonable place in the novel.

IMO, I like this better than Blade Dance or Dragonar.

(P-S: Typo. Madan, not "madam".

Kleeyook

2012-08-06, 16:11

hey guys,whom (what girls) is in love with the MC?how many girls the MC have in his harem?
and who speak the vol.1,2,3 and 4 of this LN?

Again?

Well, there are 2 girls who seem to be openly in love with Tigre. The cover girls for vol. 1-2.

The rest are... well, they'll become Tigre's harem members soon.

n0m@n

2012-08-06, 17:30

Well, volume 5 cover is also out.

http://www.mediafactory.co.jp/bunkoj/book_detail/886

It will be released on 24th of August.

Another busty girl on the cover. She looks hawt.

PS. Volume 5 will be the end of first arc of Madan no Ou

Belgaesh

2012-08-06, 17:48

SoFarGone

2012-08-06, 17:53

Again?

Well, there are 2 girls who seem to be openly in love with Tigre. The cover girls for vol. 1-2.

The rest are... well, they'll become Tigre's harem members soon.

thats like the only thing he/she ever ask

Richocet

2012-08-06, 18:03

Am just looking at jcafe and reading the summaries, seems interesting and I'll be putting this in my must read

Kleeyook

2012-08-06, 18:34

thats like the only thing he/she ever ask

Well, I meant about him asking "who's in the harem?" in almost any threads here.

willx

2012-08-06, 20:07

I'd add that this LN is incredibly interesting. Zephyr's detailed summaries really make you think about the setting that the author created..

The attention to detail regarding the background histories and ramifications of each persons actions (and political intrigue to boot!) tell me that this is going to be a "must read!"

One thing that the story seems to be hinting at, and I hope it follows through with, is that there are many things that personal power alone cannot accomplish.

SoFarGone

2012-08-06, 20:15

Well, I meant about him asking "who's in the harem?" in almost any threads here.

yea thats what I meant. Have you click on his profile and look at his posts? Pretty much all of it is "Who is in the harem? How many girls? Who are they?"

Athena

2012-08-06, 20:15

Did zephyr go missing? Haven't heard of him/her since quite a bit.

Mars Mode

2012-08-06, 20:42

I believe he posted that one of his family members is ill.

peinmaximus@

2012-08-06, 20:44

sorry guys,ask for harem, is only one of my mores,after all I'm a teenage boy that likes the girls with big oppai.
please guys, you can answer me what happen in each vol.?

Kleeyook

2012-08-07, 02:08

sorry guys,ask for harem, is only one of my mores,after all I'm a teenage boy that likes the girls with big oppai.
please guys, you can answer me what happen in each vol.?

Go to the site jcafe24.net and register to become the member.

Post 1 post in the forum in order to be able to see the spoiler.

Go to File Sharing Section, click on Novel Shoppu forum.

There are many threads providing RAW LN and some also have summary. RAW manga can be found on Winny Club forum.

The thread of this series is in both forums, one of LN, one for manga.

The LN thread has spoilers from vol. 1-4 provided by zephyr and whsie on page 1, summary by zephyr for vol. 1-2 on page 2.

^^ I don't think any more explanation is required.

But seriously, you even asked what happened in the series in some threads that have less than 10 pages. At least you should try searching for it yourself. It's not like every threads here have 30+ pages you know!

Belgaesh

2012-08-07, 16:29

Adding some images of the characters with their names, that will serve somewhat as a description.

http://i.imgur.com/36pc2l.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/WovBhl.jpg
Right to left: Ellen, Tigre, Lim, Tita.

http://i.imgur.com/RDMtkl.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/o0Ygyl.jpg
Right to left: Ellen, Sophiya, Ludmira.

http://i.imgur.com/7qhWhl.jpg
Right to left: Rolland, Ellen, Tigre, Sophiya.

http://i.imgur.com/qg4qkl.jpg
Right to left: Ellen, Sasha, Elizaveta.

SoFarGone

2012-08-07, 19:20

Liking the weapon designs.

kuroishinigami

2012-08-07, 22:09

willx

2012-08-08, 09:36

The only thing that worries me about this series is that this is published in mf bunko. I doesn't want to be prejudiced about a particular publishing ompany since the author is the one that writes the story, but considering a lot of mf bunko novel with interesting premise gets stale after a number of volumes comes out, I can't help but be wary of this.

Hm, food for thought -- as someone that doesn't know Japanese nor knows anything about LN labels, all I can do is judge the works based on the content I read. So far what I've read from Zephyr's spoilers is AMAZING work and it seems to be highly thought of by other active BT translators that I respect!

Riki

2012-08-08, 09:46

hmmm i gave up following this series after vol 2(Dxd madness that time) so how'd it go after that? downhill or up??

kuroishinigami

2012-08-08, 10:15

It's still good up to 4th volume, but the test of time starts to strike after around 10th volume. That's when we'll see an author skill whether he/she can still make the plot strong or not or start to get into the "insert random new stronger enemy here" type of plot that makes the story boring.

Athena

2012-08-08, 11:59

Kleeyook

2012-08-08, 14:07

Wait, there are TEN volumes out?

Nope. There are only 4 volumes released atm.

I think he meant to say that we'll truly see the skills of the author after the LN has passed 10 volumes. Considering that there are 7 Vanadis, other minor heroines, unknown enemies etc. There are a lot of materials for the LN to be more than 7 volumes.

I just hope it won't turn into the case with ZnT, that's the worst possible thing to happen.

Athena

2012-08-08, 22:09

Hmm, ZnT could have gone better with the void mages. We'll see what he'll write, though his cancer...

peinmaximus@

2012-08-15, 00:15

hey guys,probably in someone moment of this LN the 7 vanadis will are in love with MC,Tigre.
that guy of lucky.

mike211

2012-08-15, 08:56

Any change this would be translated in BT?

willx

2012-08-16, 09:46

Any change this would be translated in BT?

nomon put this as one of the titles he was considering translating on a poll at BT. He said he'd pick one out of the top 4.. doesn't look like this one will make the top 4 though unfortunately..

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5206&p=155836&hilit=poll#p155836

peinmaximus@

2012-08-16, 17:13

hey kleeyook or guys you can talk me well some about the vol 3 and 4 of this LN?
is real that in vol 4 is discovered that the prince legnus is one girl?how is her appearence?

Athena

2012-08-16, 19:52

^ Spoiler tags....

Hemisphere

2012-08-22, 12:48

Talk about the big surprise in Vol 4 getting spoiled so easily, hahaha.

The only thing that worries me about this series is that this is published in mf bunko. I doesn't want to be prejudiced about a particular publishing ompany since the author is the one that writes the story, but considering a lot of mf bunko novel with interesting premise gets stale after a number of volumes comes out, I can't help but be wary of this.

So far, it's still going strong. Vol. 5 seems to be shifting to a new arc - once it's out, only then can people say if it's still doing good, but so far, Volumes 1 up to 4 don't disappoint.

Read a few reviews around, and it seems Vanadis 5 is still just as strong as the previous volumes. That's a good thing.

XxSleepyxX

2012-08-27, 04:00

The story is actually pretty cool. No wonder nom@n's been following it since day one. Spoilers can be located in jcafe. A user was kind of enough to do summaries on each chapter. Apparently hes going to be more in-depth on the third one so its taking more time than usual.

Hemisphere

2012-08-27, 04:03

XxSleepyxX

2012-08-27, 04:08

Site updated (http://www.mediafactory.co.jp/bunkoj/madan/). Nothing much, but I kind it find of funny that they used Ludmira's picture with Tigre from Volume 4. Still no Alexandra, Elizavetha, or Valentina in the characters list, which is a bit of a downer.

Wasn't she suppose to flat chested? Or was she suppose to be short. Well I seriously don't think they'll be giving away those characters so soon. Apparently the art in the beginning for the novel wasn't as up to par. And the manga artist has been doing some pieces for the novel. If this is true that'd be interesting.

Hemisphere

2012-08-27, 04:14

Wasn't she suppose to flat chested? Or was she suppose to be short. Well I seriously don't think they'll be giving away those characters so soon. Apparently the art in the beginning for the novel wasn't as up to par. And the manga artist has been doing some pieces for the novel. If this is true that'd be interesting.

She's neither exaggeratedly flat nor short; she just has a smaller bust size and height compared to Elen, which Elen uses to easily amuse herself due to Mira's pride.

Despite her pride, however, Ludmira's nowhere like a standard proud and boastful ojousama type as can be seen in any anime. Her pride is more 誇り than it is 自慢 or 傲慢, as can be seen in her words and actions (which is why she's one of my faves along with Elen).

And I don't recall any mention of the manga artist working with Yoshi☆wo. In the first place, LN art shouldn't be that big a factor anyways...but to each their own.

Totally out of nowhere, but hey. Just realized that this was tagged shounen? It is definitely in any way even nowhere close to shounen.

XxSleepyxX

2012-08-27, 04:21

She's neither exaggeratedly flat nor short; she just has a smaller bust size and height compared to Elen, which Elen uses to easily amuse herself due to Mira's pride.

Despite her pride, however, Ludmira's nowhere like a standard proud and boastful ojousama type as can be seen in any anime. Her pride is more 誇り than it is 自慢, as can be seen in her words and actions (which is why she's one of my faves along with Elen).

And I don't recall any mention of the manga artist working with Yoshi☆wo. In the first place, LN art shouldn't be that big a factor anyways...but to each their own.

Oh. Thats what I got from the spoilers I read. I honestly don't care. I think the art is pretty cool xD. Although a lot of people complain that no-one has a flat chest roflll.

peinmaximus@

2012-08-27, 14:51

someone can give me information about the history and what happen in vol 5?
sorry ask this, but I have to know ,the new vanadis or someone girls join is tigre's harem in vol.5?
tigre get defeat the duke and his dragon of five heads?
and someone have some picture of vol.5?
thank you.

Kleeyook

2012-08-27, 16:17

Umm. I'm not sure if vol. 5 has been released yet though. ^^

peinmaximus@

2012-08-27, 17:36

yes, the vol.5 already has been released in the day 24 of this month.

Kleeyook

2012-08-27, 18:12

yes, the vol.5 already has been released in the day 24 of this month.

No one provides RAW for it yet. I wish we could take a glimpse of what happen by the illustrations.

peinmaximus@

2012-08-27, 19:16

hey guys in the site below have information about the vol.5,but the site is in japanese.
http://kenkenmk2.blog94.fc2.com/blog-entry-1194.html

PCheshire

2012-08-27, 22:15

XxSleepyxX

2012-08-28, 01:16

is it just me or do most users not use spoiler tags anymore?
...
suits me just well...
btw... is the Prince actually a Princess and is saved by you-know-who without knowing who she/he really is in the latest volume and... you know what comes after...

Its a LN thread spoilers are suppose to happen. Plus this thread is pretty small so I don't people really care. Vanadis isn't well known at all.

Velial

2012-09-08, 05:51

Does someone already start to translate this LN?

EnigmaticAxiom

2012-09-08, 06:01

It failed the vote to become a project on B-T, I think, so I'm not sure if anyone is. I've read about half of volume 1 using machine translations (this is my second series doing so, and it's a hell of a lot easier for me to read it compared to MKnR), so it's going pretty quickly. When I'm done, I might do a more detailed summary than Zephyr provided, since the one he did for volume 1 was short, though, honestly speaking, there really isn't that much he left out that isn't important so far, so I might not do anything at all. If I do anything at all for Volume 1, I won't do anything for volume 2, since he provided a nearly full translation for large bulks of the novel, so there is no point in a summary. Unlike MKnR, I will go in order.

Athena

2012-09-08, 08:23

Does someone already start to translate this LN?

Florza did a teaser.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-09, 21:05

Hemisphere

2012-09-09, 22:12

Anyone know the origin of Tigre's Bow? It did mention that it doesn't have a relationship with the black dragon at Ellen's country, but something that can shot down a dragon definitely isn't normal =_= Can't help but think it's related...

Later volumes will reveal it as
Handed down from the goddess of death.

I've yet to reach Volume 3 since I took my sweet time rereading Volumes 1 and 2, but I hear the scene involving that is awesome. Plus, it just didn't shoot down a dragon with one shot; if you pay attention to the details surrounding Tigre's "shot", it was more like a railgun! Which is AWESOME.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-09, 22:15

I hate how in vol 3 a certain overpowered character dies after just one failure =(

Hemisphere

2012-09-09, 22:22

I hate how in vol 3 a certain overpowered character dies after just one failure =(

He had to go; otherwise Tigre wouldn't be able to help out a certain figure from assassins.

You'll hate Volume 5 even more when the first character close to Tigre dies.

ティグルは大切なものを失い indeed.

XxSleepyxX

2012-09-10, 00:09

I hate how in vol 3 a certain overpowered character dies after just one failure =(

The author decided to kill off the character since overpowered characters are no good. Wouldn't make a good story I guess.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-10, 00:10

The author decided to kill off the character since overpowered characters are no good. Wouldn't make a good story I guess.

Well it could provide a "wall" he need to overcome, but still kind of weird how someone of his status can be killed just like that ==

Hemisphere

2012-09-10, 00:30

Well it could provide a "wall" he need to overcome, but still kind of weird how someone of his status can be killed just like that ==

But he already surpassed the wall that Roland was at that point, didn't he?

xBakaChanx

2012-09-10, 00:34

Hemisphere

2012-09-10, 00:39

Well Even Ellen couldn't beat him in a 1v1 fight, so even if he was beaten at that point he can still serve as a formidable enemy later on in the future It just seem kind of sad a great character like him just died in something like that >_> instead of a death from battle

To be fair though, considering the political situation, I don't think it was entirely impossible nor far-fetched. Plus, I like the way none of the characters are absolutely all-powerful or unbeatable - their limitations makes them more consistent and plausible.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-10, 00:44

To be fair though, considering the political situation, I don't think it was entirely impossible nor far-fetched. Plus, I like the way none of the characters are absolutely all-powerful or unbeatable - their limitations makes them more consistent and plausible.

Mhm I guess that is true, it wouldn't be a "war" anymore if one person have an absolute power like that, wonder what happen to his sword tho, it sure wasn't anything ordinary

Hemisphere

2012-09-10, 00:45

Mhm I guess that is true, it wouldn't be a "war" anymore if one person have an absolute power like that, wonder what happen to his sword tho, it sure wasn't anything ordinary

From what I gathered, Roland surrendered his sword to Tigre after his loss, didn't he?

I really gotta speed up my reading.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-10, 00:56

Hemisphere

2012-09-10, 01:32

Really? But since his sword was given to him by the king? (not entirely sure) he shudn't have surrendered it to tigre like that? from what i gathered roland could've still kept fighting but he himself admit he lost "mentally" to tigre his armor was destroyed but his sword was still fine

I'm not too surprised about his weapon, since it's probably as rare as Tigre's bow. Yeah, Durandal was handed down to Roland by the King, but as to the context of his handing it over to Tigre, I'll wait and see until I hit the grand battle in Volume 3. I'm still halfway in Volume 2 atm.

But considering that the King was locked up in his chambers and had mentally regressed after what happened to the prince, I suppose it wouldn't have been a bad option for Roland to surrender his sword to Tigre.

The author decided to kill off the character since overpowered characters are no good. Wouldn't make a good story I guess.

And considering that Roland kept Brune's borders protected, his death meant free passage to those who wanted to intervene with Brune's civil war, setting the stage for Volume 4's events.

Again, that's what I love about this series. Every action has consequences, whether intentional and unintentional, that play out in the big picture.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-10, 01:49

Hemisphere

2012-09-10, 01:54

That death was horrid...what a cruel way to kill people....but Roland stands headstrong till his last breath, what a man!

Only read up to vol 3 here ~_~ can't help but think that Tigre's heritage is more than what it seems, with the bow and all...Side Note - Is it really ok to kill off Roland like that == the king was ok with all that?.....

You have to keep in mind that the king is completely isolated from all this. He has no knowledge of what is going, nor does he wish to know what is going on, because of the Prince's death. Hence why the whole country of Brune went to hell thanks to Dukes Tenaldie and Ganlon's maneuverings for the throne.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-10, 01:58

You have to keep in mind that the king is completely isolated from all this. He has no knowledge of what is going, nor does he wish to know what is going on, because of the Prince's death. Hence why the whole country of Brune went to hell thanks to Dukes Tenaldie and Ganlon's maneuverings for the throne.

Lol seem like having useless kings is needed for the story >_> Even Ellen's king is afraid of their power and try to prevent them from expanding their territories, rather than trying to make use of the power they have.

Hemisphere

2012-09-10, 02:05

Lol seem like having useless kings is needed for the story >_> Even Ellen's king is afraid of their power and try to prevent them from expanding their territories, rather than trying to make use of the power they have.

I wouldn't say Viktor's fear is unwarranted, and even Limalicia points this out in Volume 2. Seven retainers who each hold prestige and positions directly beneath the king, each of them holding power equivalent to a thousand knights, all with their own goals and agendas? Definitely enough to make most leaders tremble and cower with fear and paranoia.

Tigre's response to the hypothetical question posed to him, however, was just hilarious.

Brune's king, however, was completely useless, even before the loss of the Prince. He did let the Dukes Tenaldie and Ganlon run amok with their territories, and basically split up the country among themselves for their own self-interests.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-10, 02:11

Hemisphere

2012-09-10, 02:15

I think within the seven retainers not all of them have their own goals and agendas, like Ellen who herself wanted a king that can actually make use of their power instead of trying to prevent them from using it. Lol Tigre's response is just Tigre-styled LOL "I will pass the work to the seven of them, then I'll go take a nap or go hunting"

Which earned him a smack right upside the head from Limalicia. Hahaha.

Speaking of the Vanadis, I'm completely looking forward to the last one, Olga.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-10, 02:20

Which earned him a smack right upside the head from Limalicia. Hahaha.

Speaking of the Vanadis, I'm completely looking forward to the last one, Olga.

Olga? OO (Don't know who that is), Lim's obsession with dolls...lol never fail to amuse me <3

Hemisphere

2012-09-10, 02:25

Olga? OO (Don't know who that is), Lim's obsession with dolls...lol never fail to amuse me <3

Olga is the seventh and yet-to-be-revealed Vanadis, who is wandering around. I'm completely curious as to how she looks, how her personality is, what her motivation might be, and what her weapon is.

At least Lim's hobby came in handy near the end of Volume 2, for triggering Lyudmila's flag! Hahaha.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-10, 02:28

Lol that mask which hid his face.......I think the meeting with Sophiya was the most intense one out of all three meetings with the vanadis....I was...speechless.....

Hemisphere

2012-09-10, 02:36

Lol that mask which hid his face.......I think the meeting with Sophiya was the most intense one out of all three meetings with the vanadis....I was...speechless.....

Which means I should speed up my reading. Can't wait to read about that, and then the fight between Elizabetha and Eleonora as well as Alexandra's appearance in Vol. 4, and then Valentina's appearance in Vol. 5 as well as Tigre's first true use of the bow...

xBakaChanx

2012-09-10, 02:39

Which means I should speed up my reading. Can't wait to read about that, and then the fight between Elizabetha and Eleonora as well as Alexandra's appearance in Vol. 4, and then Valentina's appearance in Vol. 5 as well as Tigre's first true use of the bow...

Sounds exciting >_< wish i can read vol 4 and 5 lol, look at the coloured pic of vol 3....that explain a lot about their meeting =_=

Hemisphere

2012-09-10, 02:56

You mean the grand battle with Roland? Now I'm definitely stoked.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-10, 02:57

You mean the grand battle with Roland? Now I'm definitely stoked.

Lol the battle was pretty exciting as well but the meeting with Sophiya is interesting in a whole new direction >_>

whsie

2012-09-10, 05:27

You mean the grand battle with Roland? Now I'm definitely stoked.

That battle was badass. It was a classic face off.

Volume 1 and 2 are good, 3 is better, and 4 is at another level (the battle against superior odds). 5, which is the conclusion to the first arc, looks just as good.

Hemisphere

2012-09-10, 06:11

That battle was badass. It was a classic face off.

Volume 1 and 2 are good, 3 is better, and 4 is at another level (the battle against superior odds). 5, which is the conclusion to the first arc, looks just as good.

I swear, once I get to that part, I am so blasting Nenshou Kairou (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOZOM7FMf-w) loudly off my speakers.

willx

2012-09-10, 10:16

Again, that's what I love about this series. Every action has consequences, whether intentional and unintentional, that play out in the big picture.

^ THIS. THIS SO MUCH. It's the fact that nothing happens in a vacuum that makes you feel like this world really is a living and breathing world.

Hemisphere

2012-09-10, 10:25

^ THIS. THIS SO MUCH. It's the fact that nothing happens in a vacuum that makes you feel like this world really is a living and breathing world.

You also gotta love how these consequences don't just get mentioned at the end of a volume and occur at the beginning of the next. It's not like set pieces merely meant to transition into the next book release. They also occur right as the story unfolds during the middle of the book, making the whole world feel more alive, that everything is connected. Easiest examples would be, in Volume 1, Tigre's capture alone; in Volume 2, Donalbane's band of thieves.

Ddraig

2012-09-10, 12:39

I have been following this LN for awhile and glad to see this show up in the forum now ^^.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-10, 14:21

You also gotta love how these consequences don't just get mentioned at the end of a volume and occur at the beginning of the next. It's not like set pieces merely meant to transition into the next book release. They also occur right as the story unfolds during the middle of the book, making the whole world feel more alive, that everything is connected. Easiest examples would be, in Volume 1, Tigre's capture alone; in Volume 2, Donalbane's band of thieves.

Ya those transitions were done quite nicely ~_~ kinda give off a different feel from those other novels which end in one vol and a whole new story start on the next one, not that there's anything bad about it.

Off track here but is Horizon good? It seem so big that I couldn't get the courage to start reading it ~

Hemisphere

2012-09-10, 21:42

Off track here but is Horizon good? It seem so big that I couldn't get the courage to start reading it ~

It's intimidating but I would say it's a well-built series. It has a lot of solid history, concepts and background surrounding it, and you'll need to understand all of those while reading Horizon. That's probably why a lot of people are intimidated by it.

Plus, THEY'RE HUGE (http://i.imgur.com/OLqG5.jpg) (the horizon books start midway through).

Ya those transitions were done quite nicely ~_~ kinda give off a different feel from those other novels which end in one vol and a whole new story start on the next one, not that there's anything bad about it.

It makes the story into something dynamic, something that reacts to every character's actions and inputs, rather than something constant. A constant story to me is something akin to a play, where all the characters act out predetermined roles and actions. I'm not arguing that one is superior than the other; it's more out of personal preference that I like reading a dynamic story.

Getting close to finishing Volume 2 now! Finally reached the part where Eleonora and Lyudmila marched their armies.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-10, 21:45

It's intimidating but I would say it's a well-built series. It has a lot of solid history, concepts and background surrounding it, and you'll need to understand all of those while reading Horizon. That's probably why a lot of people are intimidated by it.

Plus, THEY'RE HUGE (http://i.imgur.com/OLqG5.jpg) (the horizon books start midway through).

It makes the story into something dynamic, something that reacts to every character's actions and inputs, rather than something constant. A constant story to me is something akin to a play, where all the characters act out predetermined roles and actions. I'm not arguing that one is superior than the other; it's more out of personal preference that I like reading a dynamic story.

Getting close to finishing Volume 2 now! Finally reached the part where Eleonora and Lyudmila marched their armies.

Lol first word that came to my mind when i saw those books : Dictionaries, especially that middle one LOL

Go Go >_< got to go read about Roland =D

Hemisphere

2012-09-10, 21:47

Yeah, that really thick one in the middle is Owari no Chronicle's final volume. It's a precursor to the world of Horizon.

I know! I'm so worked up over Volume 3! D:

xBakaChanx

2012-09-10, 21:48

Yeah, that really thick one in the middle is Owari no Chronicle's final volume. It's a precursor to the world of Horizon.

I know! I'm so worked up over Volume 3! D:

Owari no Chronicle was another one that caught my attention =w= the official last book(?) in chinese is going to be released (hopefully?) soon lol, going to start reading those dictionaries =w=

Hemisphere

2012-09-10, 21:51

xBakaChanx

2012-09-10, 21:53

You should read it before Horizon, then, as Horizon contains plot elements carried over from Owari no Chronicle (such as the use of concepts).

And while you read it, I'll be busy reading Vanadis up to Volume 5, Kuro no Hiera Glaphicos up to Volume 3, and Thousand to Aegis up to Volume 8! These might be a lot, but at least they're no dictionaries, haha.

I am so stoked up for Volume 3. OTL

Lol hope you're not disappointed in vol 3 XD, horizon still at vol 3 translated for me =w= going to take a while for those dictionaries lol....didn't it hold the record for the biggest light novel or something? with like 1k+ pages lol....3x the size of other light novels.... btw you sure read a lot XD

Edit - Roland is probably one of the most "righteous" character I seen, one who follow the order for his country~

blackwhite67

2012-09-11, 15:50

Can someone fill me in here? Who is Roland and how did he die? Did Tigre get his sword?

SoFarGone

2012-09-11, 16:36

^Spoiler tags

whsie

2012-09-11, 16:41

Definitely. Spoiler tags. It's supposed to be a genuine surprise in the story.

And no, the sword does not switch hands for those who can understand.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-11, 17:40

Can someone fill me in here? Who is Roland and how did he die? Did Tigre get his sword?

Roland is a new character introduced, don't wanna spoil you too much so just set him in as super op enemy for now, and no tigre didn't get his sword.

Hemisphere

2012-09-11, 21:58

xBakaChanx

2012-09-11, 23:03

Finally! After that awesome Eleonora-Lyudmila fight, I'm on to Volume 3. And already it starts off with one hell of an attempted intrusion into Brune's territory by Sachstein.

Roland, you are just too STRONG.

Roland is like too godlike to die the way he did in vol 3 T_T

Vol 4 is almost done, and vol 5 started being translated :D

Hemisphere

2012-09-11, 23:09

Roland is like too godlike to die the way he did in vol 3 T_T

Vol 4 is almost done, and vol 5 started being translated :D

That's good for you!

Man, I already hate Duke Tenaldie with a burning passion...the opening bit made me hate him so much more. Using Roland to get rid of Tigre? JKHAFLAJHFLAJHFDDSFSDF

xBakaChanx

2012-09-11, 23:21

That's good for you!

Man, I already hate Duke Tenaldie with a burning passion...the opening bit made me hate him so much more. Using Roland to get rid of Tigre? JKHAFLAJHFLAJHFDDSFSDF

You'll hate him even more if I remember correctly at the end of the book :heh:

Hemisphere

2012-09-12, 07:06

So the reason why Volume 5 had illustrations done by the manga artist was because Yoshi☆wo was sick? ;_;

Rin Listviel

2012-09-12, 10:16

Roland is like too godlike to die the way he did in vol 3 T_T

Vol 4 is almost done, and vol 5 started being translated :D

where did you read the translated one??

zzhk

2012-09-12, 10:53

He's talking about Chinese versions.

willx

2012-09-12, 13:21

Kleeyook

2012-09-12, 14:28

I wonder if some scanlation team has picked up this series. It has manga version, which now reach vol. 2 of LN already.

Belgaesh

2012-09-12, 17:39

Oh man, Florza's halfway done Chapter 1 and no one else has popped in to express interest in translating this yet! Oh dear!

Yeah, we have to thank Florza for doing the Teaser, maybe this will bring more attention to this awesome series.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-12, 21:12

where did you read the translated one??

Yup like zzhk said I read this in chinese, hope someone will translate it in english lol, my chinese isn't that good and i get confuse in the text often lol

Hemisphere

2012-09-12, 21:33

Yeah, we have to thank Florza for doing the Teaser, maybe this will bring more attention to this awesome series.

Pretty much. Maybe then people will stop judging by its cover alone and stop dismissing it as just another harem series.

Personally speaking, though, I just don't like how the names are handled. Short of asking Kawaguchi Tsukasa himself what are the romaji for the character's names, it's going to be hard how to decide to handle them, but I'm certain it's not Tigul. Would be nice if MF Bunko could publish a character sheet with the romaji names to the characters for Vanadis, just like with Kawaguchi Tsukasa's other series in Ichijinsha, 千の魔剣と盾の乙女.

Can't please everyone, but at least it's hopefully getting some degree of attention.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-12, 21:40

Pretty much. Maybe then people will stop judging by its cover alone and stop dismissing it as just another harem series.

Personally speaking, though, I just don't like how the names are handled. Short of asking Kawaguchi Tsukasa himself what are the romaji for the character's names, it's going to be hard how to decide to handle them, but I'm certain it's not Tigul. Would be nice if MF Bunko could publish a character sheet with the romaji names to the characters for Vanadis, just like with Kawaguchi Tsukasa's other series in Ichijinsha, 千の魔剣と盾の乙女.

Lol when i read it I get so confused cause of all the titles/character names and stuff == that or its just my poor chinese reading skills or the translator's poor translating skills... ya people have to stop judging a book by it's cover, I mean the bakemonogatari series have partically no insert pictures and it's actually really good. Even though I'm not really a big fan of the artwork in this series, I still quite liked this a lot

blackwhite67

2012-09-12, 21:54

Concerning Roland, he died a pathetic death, but let's be real here. If someone like him is dumb enough to die the way he did, then would never have survived in the real world.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-12, 21:56

Concerning Roland, he died a pathetic death, but let's be real here. If someone like him is dumb enough to die the way he did, then would never have survived in the real world.

I won't say his death is dumb.....It's loyalty, he dies while still standing headstrong, that is honourable

Hemisphere

2012-09-12, 21:59

Concerning Roland, he died a pathetic death, but let's be real here. If someone like him is dumb enough to die the way he did, then would never have survived in the real world.

I wonder if you've read the LN. At all.

Lol when i read it I get so confused cause of all the titles/character names and stuff == that or its just my poor chinese reading skills or the translator's poor translating skills... ya people have to stop judging a book by it's cover, I mean the bakemonogatari series have partically no insert pictures and it's actually really good. Even though I'm not really a big fan of the artwork in this series, I still quite liked this a lot

Artwork doesn't really matter that much to me. I grew up reading western fantasy and fiction novels, and it was a really good way to hone my imagination, in a sense. Haha.

blackwhite67

2012-09-12, 22:05

xBakaChanx

2012-09-12, 22:08

He was used by the two people who didnt care about the country against the one guy that did like a tool and when he realized, he was poisoned.

@erhjegel I read every summary by Zephyr and every post in this forum and Jcafe.

So in another word, you didn't read the novel....well it's your opinion I guess =w= nothing against that, just a matter of perspective~

Hemisphere

2012-09-12, 22:11

Because obviously, context-less summaries are everything.

This is one of those series that requires you to actually read the entire thing, because details actually matter.

Belgaesh

2012-09-12, 22:13

I won't say his death is dumb.....It's loyalty, he dies while still standing headstrong, that is honourable

Real men die while standing, it's common tale that Benkei, the companion of Yoshitsune Minamoto, died this way while protecting his lord.

Hemisphere

2012-09-12, 22:16

Plus, he was the Lawful type of character who was only doing his job, and was completely uninformed of the actual situation. And while the readers are completely in the know about what's going on, guess what, Roland isn't. He was purposely kept ignorant. Considering the political situation, it was obvious they kept him ignorant.

This is sometimes why taking summaries at face value can be annoying.

By the way, does anyone have scans of the manga? I heard that it had ティグル romanized to Tigre, and since it has the author's input along with it...

xBakaChanx

2012-09-12, 22:53

The thing is, the way he dies and the way he know what's going to happen to him but still take responsibility for his "failure" is what makes him a man

Like to admit his loss mentally to Tigre even though his body can still fight, that's manly, he won't try to be a sore loser about it, a loss is a loss.

Hemisphere

2012-09-12, 23:00

I just want to get to Volume 5 already. ;_; My copy (http://i.imgur.com/tjoKl.jpg) is just sitting here on my desk, and every time I glance at it I feel like crying because I read so slow...;_;

xBakaChanx

2012-09-12, 23:08

I just want to get to Volume 5 already. ;_; My copy (http://i.imgur.com/tjoKl.jpg) is just sitting here on my desk, and every time I glance at it I feel like crying because I read so slow...;_;

At least you can read it T_T waiting for that last two little chapter of vol 4 to be done then I can start reading >_<

TJP1600

2012-09-12, 23:27

Oh man, Florza's halfway done Chapter 1 and no one else has popped in to express interest in translating this yet! Oh dear!

I can't wait, we're almost at the first scene where you realize how awesome Tigul really is. Man, I love this series so much! The more serious tone and less of a focus on "moe" and relationships (although it's still there..) reminds me a lot of Mahouka.. which is why I love both of them so much I guess?

This worries me the most. How does this series compare to blade dance/campione? If someone could describe the romance a bit (is it more RomCom or dramatic, haremish or is there one clear winnter, etc), that would be much appreciated.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-12, 23:42

This worries me the most. How does this series compare to blade dance/campione? If someone could describe the romance a bit (is it more RomCom or dramatic, haremish or is there one clear winnter, etc), that would be much appreciated.

Feels like it's heading to a harem to me~ this is definitely a good novel tho ^^

Hemisphere

2012-09-12, 23:43

Lovecom gags are present but not overly abundant, and they are mostly story or character-related. There are moments of affection between the heroines and Tigre; they talk about their feelings with the other characters (namely females), but Tigre put it best: there is no time for love when there are more matters of utmost importance.

So if anyone's looking for a priority harem lovecom hijinks with an abundance of fanservice and a small slice of story on the side, this is not for them.

But for those looking for a great story and intriguing political developments with a small heaping of fanservice, go right ahead.

willx

2012-09-12, 23:50

TJP1600

2012-09-13, 00:00

Hemisphere

2012-09-13, 00:07

Thanks for all the quick replies, guess this isnt really my thing then. I prefer more of a romantic comedy where there are a lot of cute moments, of course it has to have a decent plot and premise. I don't like fanservice, but apparently RomComs tie pretty heavily with fanservice unfortunately so I guess you have to take the bad with the good. I might read this if it gets translated in English, probably wont bother reading this in Chinese. If only my Chinese was better or if I was born as an Asian :(

Hard to imagine that a harem LN can be shaped up to the way you guys described nowadays lol

Considering the premise of the story, it's political maneuverings mired with medieval warfare with a slight touch of magic first, character interactions second, and harem last. I would say the same goes for 黒鋼の魔紋修復士 (Kuro no Hiera Glaphicos); too bad it's completely unknown.

Even the author gets annoyed whenever his publishers pushes for him to "make more cute girls/cute moments with these girls" with this series, judging from his author's notes. It's not hard to see why, as (in some instances) it can deviate the flow and pacing of the story.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-13, 00:12

This gives u a more medieval fantasy rpg feel rather than the harem kinda feeling, ya i described it pretty vague >_> but it's really good, should definitely give it a try.

XxSleepyxX

2012-09-13, 02:11

Thanks for all the quick replies, guess this isnt really my thing then. I prefer more of a romantic comedy where there are a lot of cute moments, of course it has to have a decent plot and premise(Hidan no aria, Campione, Blade Dance). I don't like fanservice, but apparently RomComs tie pretty heavily with fanservice unfortunately so I guess you have to take the bad with the good. I might read this if it gets translated in English, probably wont bother reading this in Chinese. If only my Chinese was better or if I was born as an Asian :(

Hard to imagine that a harem LN can be shaped up to the way you guys described nowadays lol

It doesn't focus on love as much. It has romance, but the romance is mainly subplot. I wouldn't say harem either. The main character manages to get a bunch of love interests? Apparently its not really that ecchi either.

Hemisphere

2012-09-13, 02:38

Silvmeteor? Wait, what?

That's...that's quite a name, Elen.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-13, 04:06

Silvmeteor? Wait, what?

That's...that's quite a name, Elen.

Wait Wut? OO silvmeteor?

Hemisphere

2012-09-13, 04:27

Wait Wut? OO silvmeteor?

It's the name Elen gave to the combined troops of Brune and Zchted. "Silver Meteor". I can't stop laughing at this. And also at how Elen pokes fun at Lim. "Having your breast fondled and sucked must have made you soft for him" roflmao.

whsie

2012-09-13, 06:26

Concerning Roland, he died a pathetic death, but let's be real here. If someone like him is dumb enough to die the way he did, then would never have survived in the real world.

As a commander, he was the best in Brune. He's the one soldier that has every other country shaking in their boots.

That said, I wouldn't say he was dumb. He was merely kept ignorant of the political machinations around him. He is a soldier through and through. Fights for the citizens, fights for the king, fights for the country, and takes order with little question. In many ways, he is the ideal knight. He is not someone who plays those political games and it's a shame he was sacrificed as a political goat.

Hemisphere

2012-09-13, 08:09

fazri

2012-09-13, 08:25

where i can found english translation,illustration or atleast summaries for this series??

Belgaesh

2012-09-13, 09:49

where i can found english translation,illustration or atleast summaries for this series??

There are summaries of this series in JCafe, made by Zephyr. In BT, Florza did a teaser of the first volume.

Hemisphere

2012-09-13, 09:50

I don't know how relevant this is going to be, but seeing as this is from the manga with the author's input...

Tigre (http://i.imgur.com/jw0p8.png). That's the ONLY romaji I've seen of Tigre's name in any Vanadis-affiliated medium; I'll see if I can find more. I tried looking the author up on Twitter for direct confirmation, but he's not listed on it. It might be able to help out with the translations or something, I don't know.

HasNoLove

2012-09-13, 10:34

BTW, is there anyone know where n how to download the original story..??
cuz if Im not wrong, tis LN's an adept from the real-based-story (novel), right..??

Hemisphere

2012-09-13, 11:02

BTW, is there anyone know where n how to download the original story..??
cuz if Im not wrong, tis LN's an adept from the real-based-story (novel), right..??

Kawaguchi Tsukasa only lifted some elements from the original legend, like the seven princesses. It's in Latin and Slavic. No, it can't be downloaded.

If you tried to read the original...it would be very, very, very different.

HasNoLove

2012-09-13, 12:13

well I couldnt help but wanna to read the original story, like what I did with Oda nobuna with Taiko's novel..

umm, btw is one of 7 vanadis was the girl with diffirent eye color..??
could someone explain the apperance specificly of those 7 vanadis who make "debut" aka showing 'em self to us, the reader...

EvI

2012-09-13, 15:19

hello guys passing by here and i got to say this novel got my interest...really...tits...tits everywhere...
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
now serious i still got to understand everything and i need patience to ready all the topic but hell i have to say that i will read this one with my soul kkkk

xBakaChanx

2012-09-13, 19:13

Kawaguchi Tsukasa only lifted some elements from the original legend, like the seven princesses. It's in Latin and Slavic. No, it can't be downloaded.

If you tried to read the original...it would be very, very, very different.

Woah I didn't know there was actually an original legend to it OO

Hemisphere

2012-09-13, 20:46

Wow.

I liked the skirmish in Vol. 3 Ch. 2. At first, after reading about how the river had "stopped flowing", I came to the same conclusion as Greast's general did (shows how predictable the whole "flooding the enemy army" tactic has become in recent media). And then Tigre's actual plan kicks in, and...wow. The author took the expectation I had with regards to that strategy and then turned it on its head. I didn't think the forest would play that vital a role, though I'm surprised Greast managed to note its importance (which the general then paid no heed to, heh). Very interesting tactic to route the enemy's troops of equal number, especially Tigre's guerrilla warfare.

The following victory celebration scene was heartwarming, in part because of how it shows some significant romantic development between Elen and Tigre. I had to chuckle when Elen went "You really are cute" after Tigre mentioned that if it weren't for the circumstances, he would've punch Greast right then and there. It was also notable in that the entire tone during the scene was, while still throwing the reader a bone or two for some chuckles, rather mature. I liked that as it was really a heartfelt moment shared between the two; it was nowhere near the childish squabbling or half-hearted "heartfelt" scenes you'd usually find in a harem series.

It also shed more light on Tigre's character, showing just how different he is from the other nobles just by how he sees his soldiers, and what he believes he's fighting for. He realizes just how much PEOPLE they are, not pawns, nor do they fight for justice but at the end of the day, they are soldiers merely following orders. That alone was very notable, doing away with the whole "we fight for justice!" cliche found in stories like these (and if you distance yourself from the main characters, you'd realize that is exactly what is at play here; several individuals fighting to secure and promote their own interests). That and, a main character admitting just how limited his view and perspective were before, and then thanking the heroine for having given him the opportunity to grow and expand his horizons while still admitting just how aware he is of his own shortcomings? Not a very common thing to read in these days of standardized invincible, unshakable, male harem lead archetypes.

I'm beginning to see how Volume 3's scale is so much larger than in Volume 1 and 2...and not just in the battles. Personally speaking, this is good. This is REALLY good.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-13, 20:51

HasNoLove

2012-09-13, 21:00

Hemisphere

2012-09-13, 21:15

Lol ya I'm pretty surprised by the forest tactic, didn't really expect that. As for the origin of Tigre's bow, I can't help by think it's related to the black dragon in Ellen's country, guess we'll find more about that later~

The forest tactic was just whoa. A VERY nice surprise! Though considering that Greast didn't bother pursing and had already accomplished his role, it downplayed the taste of victory a bit...but it was still a very enthralling development as it was.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-13, 21:36

The forest tactic was just whoa. A VERY nice surprise! Though considering that Greast didn't bother pursing and had already accomplished his role, it downplayed the taste of victory a bit...but it was still a very enthralling development as it was.

Happened too fast >_< shoulda give chase to increase the tension

Hemisphere

2012-09-13, 21:45

Happened too fast >_< shoulda give chase to increase the tension

Nah, I think it was alright. It was a good appetizer to whet the reader's appetites for the upcoming battles...and considering that Roland's illustration is on page 169, I'm pretty certain that the upcoming ones are DEFINITELY going to be awe-inducing.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-13, 22:14

Yeeees vol 4 is finally out~ I been looking forward to it all month ~

HasNoLove

2012-09-13, 22:23

Yeeees vol 4 is finally out~ I been looking forward to it all month ~

is it raw version..??

Hemisphere

2012-09-14, 00:20

Yeeees vol 4 is finally out~ I been looking forward to it all month ~

Go go go! :D

Currently at the part where Tigre and Rurrick have a close moment together. Pretty awe inspiring...but I hope this isn't setting Rurrick up for a death flag or anything of the sort. ;_;

EnigmaticAxiom

2012-09-14, 05:42

I'm still reading through volume 1. Since 2 was summarized in detail, I'll go to 3 afterward. Dammit, wanna read more :(

Hemisphere

2012-09-14, 05:47

I'm still reading through volume 1. Since 2 was summarized in detail, I'll go to 3 afterward. Dammit, wanna read more :(

I'll advise you not to skip Volume 2 just because it's been summarized. The summaries, while rather detailed to an extent, left some details out here and there that makes the story feel more alive and the characters more resonant. For example, Lyudmila's attitude. She's not your typical snobbish noble stereotype; far from it, but the summaries have omitted the small details that Tigre noticed to point her true character out near the end.

It's very much worth reading from start to finish.

willx

2012-09-14, 09:17

whsie

2012-09-14, 09:25

It's interesting that this LN attracts such high praises, but other than Florza who so kindly started this project as a teaser, I don't think there's been much interest in people translating it.. which is a tad disappointing.. I did hear that some people like reading it for pure enjoyment, and that translating it might turn it into "work" so they don't want to do it :heh:

Well, I can tell you the Chinese light novel community didn't hold it in really high regards early on. The first two volumes seemed too echhi and harem like for some people's taste. The translator (a female btw) of the first two volumes dropped the work because there was too much "skin" for her taste. It wasn't until the last 3 or 4 months that the project was picked up again (with considerably higher reviews this time).

Yes, there are the nude scenes (walking into a naked Ellen, Lumirada, Sophia, etc) and the harem aspect, but those take a background role compared to the action, strategy, and political machination.

Belgaesh

2012-09-14, 09:28

Hemisphere

2012-09-14, 09:33

Well, I can tell you the Chinese light novel community didn't hold it in really high regards early on. The first two volumes seemed too echhi and harem like for some people's taste. The translator (a female btw) of the first two volumes dropped the work because there was too much "skin" for her taste. It wasn't until the last 3 or 4 months that the project was picked up again (with considerably higher reviews this time).

Yes, there are the nude scenes (walking into a naked Ellen, Lumirada, Sophia, etc) and the harem aspect, but those take a background role compared to the action, strategy, and political machination.

MF Bunko knows that fanservice sells...and unfortunately, that's why they emphasize it so much with the colored pages. I mean, just look at any MF Bunko LN, and most of the time the colored pages are sheer fanservice meant to lure people in. While it might hold some truth to some of their haremy, lovecom-y series, Vanadis suffers from it because people end up dismissing it as another harem title and then miss out on a great medieval political war story.

Plus, while this series is indeed REALLY fun to read as a hobby, translating it ends up as a chore because of the sheer clusterfuck of the names. It would REALLY help if MF Bunko did something with Vanadis like what Ichijinsha does with Thousand t (http://i.imgur.com/lZlRT.jpg)o Aegis (http://i.imgur.com/Jjojm.jpg), which is also by the same author, Kawaguchi Tsukasa. But I doubt they care, which...sucks.

In the poll in BT for Code-Zero next project, Madan no Ou only got 20 votes being mine one of them. It's such a shame that a series good as this it's not recognized as it should.

There was really very little material to promote Vanadis with during the time of the poll, aside from whatever available illustrations were accessible after a quick google search. One glance at the naked Vanadis ladies, and they probably just dismissed it as sheer harem.

Not everyone also had/has access to the summaries made by zephyr from jcafe, which would have definitely perked interest up for it.

whsie

2012-09-14, 10:48

Checked up the jp wiki 'cause of a friend's request, my eyes ended up catching a line or two and now I've been bothered by this tidbit for a while now. So here's a question to those who have read Volume 5. Because it is really, really bothering me.

The Vanadis Valentina joins up with Ganlon and Greast? Really?

Not that I want to spoil myself, because I don't ever get spoiled very easily.

Assuming Ganlon and Tenaldie refers to the top 2 Nobles in Brune, not exactly. At the end of Volume 4, the "Red Beard" from Mouzinel called Tigre a warrior and general in the same calibre of Roland. The first reason for this proclamation was that Roland was defeated by Tigre (in Volume 3) and by spreading Tigre's martial prowess, his own reputation stays intact. Second, he wanted to use that proclamation to lift Tigre into a 3rd power in Brune along with Ganlon and Tenaldie. He hoped to create a triumvirate in Brune that would fight with each other and hereby weaken the country's power.

For reasons I don't remember, Ganlon and Tenaldie (assuming these are the two nobles) fought with each other. Tenaldie unleashed the dragons on Ganlon and I believe it was Ganlon who lost. As he escaped, he set fire to his own land (scorched earth). Afterwards, Tenaldie turned to Tigre. After a fight in which a Twin Headed Dragon and Fire Dragon were unleashed and combated by Ellen and Lumirada respectively, Tenaldie lost about a fifth of his army of 24,000 while Tigre lost less than a 1000.

With Ganlon gone, the princess wanted to head to a monastery in Ganlon's previous territory. After a very messy situation in which Bartlett dies protecting Tigre, Tigre in his melancholy activates his bow's power and summons a Black Dragon (symbol of Brune) from under earth.

After this side trip, Tenaldie's and Tigre's force begin round 2. I'll leave the details of the battle out, but in the end Tigre maneuvers himself to the front of Tenaldie's tent. Tenaldie comes out and challenges Tigre, who has one arrow left, to a duel. As the two of them ride away with Ellen behind, Tenaldie wanted to stop at a location where everything is in his favor. In particular, he wanted a location where the location was blowing toward Tigre. When he stopped and faced off against Tigre, the strong wind suddenly weakened into nothing while the rain also stopped. With the sudden change in conditions, Tenaldie gravely miscalculates the arrow's trajectory and ends up dead. Ellen asked her Viralt if it changed the wind for Tigre. Her weapon conjured a minor wind in response, denying it did anything.

Afterwards, the king sends an ambassador to invite the two Vanadis and Tigre to the palace. Sophia also shows up at the palace as the ambassador for Zestch (the Vanadis country) After the king publicized the princess' identity, the king asked Tigre for his reward. Tigre asked for 1. 50,000 gold for Zestch 2. War reparations for Zestch. All money Zestch spent in this war will be paid by Brune. 3. A piece of land is given to Zestch 4. A 3 year peace treaty.

In addition to these, the king also grants Tigre the title of "Moonlight Knight." Even though this occurred a long time ago, the prime minister thought to himself that this title was given long ago to another person (so long ago that the person's name is forgotten) who eventually married the princess to become king.

At the celebration party, Tigre slipped away because he didn't have a very good experience with the palace in the past. Also, because his contract with Ellen is still in effect, he'll be heading back toward Zestch. This would create an awkward situation with the court. He's soon joined by the 3 Vanadis. Upon seeing Tigre, Sophia stuffs his face into her chest (to the jealousy of Ellen and Lumirada).

Elsewhere, Ganlon is at a sea port in the north end of Brune. He and his subordinate are received by Valentine.

Note: I left out a lot. The side trip and all the details of the battle are left out.

Valentine (Scythe Vanadis of Darkness) showed up 3 times in this novel. 1. She slipped into Tigre's tent and was essentially sexually harassed by a snoring Tigre. 2. She met with Sophia back at Zestch's court. Sophia is suspicious of Valentine and is trying to figure out her motive. 3. Valentine picks up Ganlon.

Sasha (Dual blades Vanadis of Fire) didn't show up. She's supposedly still bed-ridden. I don't understand how Ellen "never once beat her."

Isabella (Whip Vanadis of Thunder) has sent an ambassador to establish political relations with Tigre.

Ellen (Sword Vanadis of Wind) returns home and decides at the end of the volume to send Tigre to one of the other countries.

Lumirada (Spear Vanadis of Ice) returns home.

Sophia (Sceptre Vanadis of Light) also returns home.

Olga (??) is still wandering elsewhere. She's the only Vanadis yet to show up.

willx

2012-09-14, 10:59

Assuming Ganlon and Greast refers to the top 2 Nobles in Brune, not exactly. At the end of Volume 4, the "Red Beard" from Mouzinel called Tigre a warrior and general in the same calibre of Roland. The first reason for this proclamation was that Roland was defeated by Tigre and by spreading Tigre's martial prowess, his own reputation stays intact. Second, he wanted to use that proclamation to lift Tigre into a 3rd power in Brune along with Ganlon and Greast. He hoped to create a triumvirate in Brune that would fight with each other and hereby weaken the country's power.

For reasons I don't remember, Ganlon and Greast (assuming these are the two nobles) fought with each other. I believe it was Ganlon who lost and as he escaped, he set fire to his own land (scorched earth). Afterwards, Greast turned to Tigre. After a fight in which a Twin Headed Dragon and Fire Dragon were unleashed and combated by Ellen and Lumirada respectively, Greast lost about a fifth of his army of 24,000 while Tigre lost less than a 1000.

With Ganlon gone, the princess wanted to head to a monastery in Ganlon's previous territory. After a very messy situation in which Bartlett dies protecting Tigre, Tigre in his melancholy activates his bow's power and summons a Black Dragon (symbol of Brune) from under earth.

After this side trip, Greast's and Tigre's force begin round 2. I'll leave the details of the battle out, but in the end Tigre maneuvers himself to the front of Greast's tent. Greast comes out and challenges Tigre, who has one arrow left, to a duel. As the two of them ride away with Ellen behind, Greast wanted to stop at a location where everything is in his favor. In particular, he wanted a location where the location was blowing toward Tigre. When he stopped and faced off against Tigre, the strong wind suddenly weakened into nothing while the rain also stopped. With the sudden change in conditions, Greast gravely miscalculates the arrow's trajectory and ends up dead. Ellen asked her Viralt if it changed the wind for Tigre. Her weapon conjured a minor wind in response, denying it did anything.

Afterwards, the king sends an ambassador to invite the two Vanadis and Tigre to the palace. Sophia also shows up at the palace as the ambassador for Zestch (the Vanadis country) After the king publicized the princess' identity, the king asked Tigre for his reward. Tigre asked for 1. 50,000 gold for Zestch 2. War reparations for Zestch. All money Zestch spent in this war will be paid by Brune. 3. A piece of land is given to Zestch 4. A 3 year peace treaty.

In addition to these, the king also grants Tigre the title of "Moonlight Knight." Even though this occurred a long time ago, the prime minister thought to himself that this title was given long ago to another person (so long ago that the person's name is forgotten) who eventually married the princess to become king.

At the celebration party, Tigre slipped away because he didn't have a very good experience with the palace in the past. Also, because his contract with Ellen is still in effect, he'll be heading back toward Zestch. This would create an awkward situation with the court. He's soon joined by the 3 Vanadis. Upon seeing Tigre, Sophia stuffs his face into her chest (to the jealousy of Ellen and Lumirada).

Elsewhere, Ganlon is at a sea port in the north end of Brune. He and his subordinate are received by Valentine.

Valentine (Scythe Vanadis of Darkness) showed up 3 times in this novel. 1. She slipped into Tigre's tent and was essentially sexually harassed by a snoring Tigre. 2. She met with Sophia back at Zestch's court. Sophia is suspicious of Valentine and is trying to figure out her motive. 3. Valentine picks up Ganlon.

Sasha (Dual blades Vanadis of Fire) didn't show up. She's supposedly still bed-ridden. I don't understand how Ellen "never once beat her."

Isabella (Whip Vanadis of Thunder) has sent an ambassador to establish political relations with Tigre.

Ellen (Sword Vanadis of Wind) returns home and decides at the end of the volume to send Tigre to one of the other countries.

Lumirada (Spear Vanadis of Ice) returns home.

Sophia (Sceptre Vanadis of Light) also returns home.

Olga (??) is still wandering elsewhere. She's the only Vanadis yet to show up.

OH MY.. Tigre/Tigul finally gets some recognition .. which means it's setting everything up for EVEN MORE conflict to come! Man.. I wish I could read this myself.. I think I'll whip out some Japanese dictionaries and give it a shot with my Pre-Kindergarten level skills..

Hemisphere

2012-09-14, 11:04

Assuming Ganlon and Greast refers to the top 2 Nobles in Brune, not exactly. At the end of Volume 4, the "Red Beard" from Mouzinel called Tigre a warrior and general in the same calibre of Roland. The first reason for this proclamation was that Roland was defeated by Tigre and by spreading Tigre's martial prowess, his own reputation stays intact. Second, he wanted to use that proclamation to lift Tigre into a 3rd power in Brune along with Ganlon and Greast. He hoped to create a triumvirate in Brune that would fight with each other and hereby weaken the country's power.

For reasons I don't remember, Ganlon and Greast (assuming these are the two nobles) fought with each other. I believe it was Ganlon who lost and as he escaped, he set fire to his own land (scorched earth). Afterwards, Greast turned to Tigre. After a fight in which a Twin Headed Dragon and Fire Dragon were unleashed and combated by Ellen and Lumirada respectively, Greast lost about a fifth of his army of 24,000 while Tigre lost less than a 1000.

With Ganlon gone, the princess wanted to head to a monastery in Ganlon's previous territory. After a very messy situation in which Bartlett dies protecting Tigre, Tigre in his melancholy activates his bow's power and summons a Black Dragon (symbol of Brune) from under earth.

After this side trip, Greast's and Tigre's force begin round 2. I'll leave the details of the battle out, but in the end Tigre maneuvers himself to the front of Greast's tent. Greast comes out and challenges Tigre, who has one arrow left, to a duel. As the two of them ride away with Ellen behind, Greast wanted to stop at a location where everything is in his favor. In particular, he wanted a location where the location was blowing toward Tigre. When he stopped and faced off against Tigre, the strong wind suddenly weakened into nothing while the rain also stopped. With the sudden change in conditions, Greast gravely miscalculates the arrow's trajectory and ends up dead. Ellen asked her Viralt if it changed the wind for Tigre. Her weapon conjured a minor wind in response, denying it did anything.

Afterwards, the king sends an ambassador to invite the two Vanadis and Tigre to the palace. Sophia also shows up at the palace as the ambassador for Zestch (the Vanadis country) After the king publicized the princess' identity, the king asked Tigre for his reward. Tigre asked for 1. 50,000 gold for Zestch 2. War reparations for Zestch. All money Zestch spent in this war will be paid by Brune. 3. A piece of land is given to Zestch 4. A 3 year peace treaty.

In addition to these, the king also grants Tigre the title of "Moonlight Knight." Even though this occurred a long time ago, the prime minister thought to himself that this title was given long ago to another person (so long ago that the person's name is forgotten) who eventually married the princess to become king.

At the celebration party, Tigre slipped away because he didn't have a very good experience with the palace in the past. Also, because his contract with Ellen is still in effect, he'll be heading back toward Zestch. This would create an awkward situation with the court. He's soon joined by the 3 Vanadis. Upon seeing Tigre, Sophia stuffs his face into her chest (to the jealousy of Ellen and Lumirada).

Elsewhere, Ganlon is at a sea port in the north end of Brune. He and his subordinate are received by Valentine.

Valentine (Scythe Vanadis of Darkness) showed up 3 times in this novel. 1. She slipped into Tigre's tent and was essentially sexually harassed by a snoring Tigre. 2. She met with Sophia back at Zestch's court. Sophia is suspicious of Valentine and is trying to figure out her motive. 3. Valentine picks up Ganlon.

Sasha (Dual blades Vanadis of Fire) didn't show up. She's supposedly still bed-ridden. I don't understand how Ellen "never once beat her."

Isabella (Whip Vanadis of Thunder) has sent an ambassador to establish political relations with Tigre.

Ellen (Sword Vanadis of Wind) returns home and decides at the end of the volume to send Tigre to one of the other countries.

Lumirada (Spear Vanadis of Ice) returns home.

Sophia (Sceptre Vanadis of Light) also returns home.

Olga (??) is still wandering elsewhere. She's the only Vanadis yet to show up.

Thank you so much for the very detailed response, as it contained the answer to my question (Valentina picking up the two you-know-whos). By Greast I was referring to his subordinate, the one who was making creepy advances on Eleonora in Volume 3 Chapter 2 right before the "forest ambush" battle; Tenaldie was the other noble. I blame you not, though, as I'm sure you can attest to just how utterly CONFUSING the names are in this series.

It might be presumptuous of me to say it at this point seeing as I'm just in Volume 3 Chapter 3, and I know this has been already repeated time and time again, but seriously. Just from reading those alone, one can already get the idea just how the actions taken during volume 4 brought about the situations in volume 5 (and vice versa with the actions taken in volume 3 regarding volume 4, and so on). It needs no reiteration at this point, but seriously, this world's "domino effect" is just really remarkable.

OH MY.. Tigre/Tigul finally gets some recognition .. which means it's setting everything up for EVEN MORE conflict to come! Man.. I wish I could read this myself.. I think I'll whip out some Japanese dictionaries and give it a shot with my Pre-Kindergarten level skills..

Just reading about it actually brings me to near tears, really. The only ones who really recognized Tigre for his outstanding characteristics are the Vanadis and the people of Zhcted (and even then it was not immediate as evidenced by Lyudmila taking quite a huge dislike of Tigre initially), as well as his enemies; but to his own country, he continued to be viewed as a traitor and a paragon of shame. Despite heroic acts such as repulsing forces even up to 10 times larger than his own troops.

Reading about him getting the recognition he FINALLY deserves is just...wow. *sniffs* I'm sure I'll be much more emotionally driven once I read about the whole thing myself, but I'm glad with this development.

whsie

2012-09-14, 11:09

Yeah, the names has me spinning in circles. Need to go change the names. And yeah, Greast is a creep, but also extremely sharp. He essentially coerced Tigre into a no-win situation. Tigre could either be the "invader" or have his land pillaged.

Also, I don't think Ganlon is human. He boasted to the other noble that he could easily crush a Dragon's head and the other noble didn't think he was joking. The implication is that Ganlon is not exactly human.

Hemisphere

2012-09-14, 12:02

Yeah, the names has me spinning in circles. Need to go change the names. And yeah, Greast is a creep, but also extremely sharp. He essentially coerced Tigre into a no-win situation. Tigre could either be the "invader" or have his land pillaged.
At first I was ecstatic over Tigre's victory against Greast's, because of the way he turned the enemy general's expectations against them plus his own tactic's ingenuity. I was smiling from ear to ear at that point. Then it switched to Greast's POV, and with all the stuff he mentioned, at first I was a bit dismayed to find out that he had "accomplished his duty" there. It felt like it cheapened the victory as it was actually what Greast, send there by Ganlon, was meant to achieve.

And then it hit me, after I just remembered that Roland was on the march. This was definitely not good for Tigre in EVERY way, as:
1) It would cement him as a traitor who is willingly collaborating with foreign agents on their own soil in Roland's eyes;
2) Considering the military prowess of the Navarle Knights (THE best of the best, and with Roland leading them no less), the morale gained from Tigre's "victory" against Greast might be used against them once they go against the knights and they might end up harshly demoralized.

That maneuvering was just...wow. Brilliiantly devious. Granted, I've yet to hit the battle (I just arrived at the part where Sophia meets Tigre for the first time), so I don't know just how true these assumptions of mine are.

Also, I don't think Ganlon is human. He boasted to the other noble that he could easily crush a Dragon's head and the other noble didn't think he was joking. The implication is that Ganlon is not exactly human.

Regarding this,

You might just be right. I remember during Greast's POV that he mentions how Ganlon "isn't relatively human" after Ganlon handed down his orders. It might just have been due to the inhumanity of Ganlon's orders regarding how to handle Tigre-

-But here's the brilliant thing. To someone like Greast, who has been established to care little for the lives of commoners and is used to razing, pillaging and killing for the sake of Ganlon, why would he view Ganlon as inhuman after having merely handed down orders which to him would be nothing but ordinary?

And then, taking your point into account; then yes, it might just be possible that he isn't human. In fact, this might tie in perfectly with the introduction of Drechvach and Vuojanoi (he's the "man" who ate those gold coins Drechvach asked Tenaldie for with regards to raising more dragons).

PS. A bit off-tangent, I digress, but this series should have a disclaimer on it or something along the lines of: WARNING: If you came here because of the boobies and the fanservice on the colored pages, you should turn back ASAP. Prepare to be bored by political intrigues and maneuverings along with medieval warfare at every turn, as well as characters who are not strictly bound to their perceived archetypes. This is about as far away from shounen and harem as you can get; you have been warned. Because otherwise a lot of people coming into this series based on the cover pages alone are going to be disappointed.

blackwhite67

2012-09-14, 14:48

What can Valentine's viralt do?

Hemisphere

2012-09-14, 21:11

OH MY.. Tigre/Tigul finally gets some recognition .. which means it's setting everything up for EVEN MORE conflict to come! Man.. I wish I could read this myself.. I think I'll whip out some Japanese dictionaries and give it a shot with my Pre-Kindergarten level skills..

My own Japanese comprehension is nowhere even near good, and I admit that it's lacking. But I'd like to think that the desire to read stuff like this is a good opportunity to hone and learn more about the language.

I highly suggest picking up whatever furigana the story drops. You can also make use of sites like these (http://www.romajidesu.com/) to look up words down to their multiple radicals, since Vanadis doesn't provide much furigana regarding commonly-used kanjis most of the time.

It might take some time and your reading is going to feel a bit sluggish, but it is very much worth the effort once the ball gets rolling.

blackwhite67

2012-09-14, 21:13

Whatever happened to Prince/Princess Legunas? I know she met Tigre, right?

Reek of Blood

2012-09-14, 21:19

This series seems full of brutality eh? They didn't hesitate to show pile of corps everywhere. Even in some parts there are depiction on how limbs chopped off and bodies got torn away. In the middle of war, human lives are ridiculously cheap

Hemisphere

2012-09-14, 22:02

Reek of Blood

2012-09-14, 22:08

@Erhjegel. Could you explain to me the real abilities of [Undefeated Sword Durandal]? Since that weapon capable of making Vanadis possessors like a joke.

Hemisphere

2012-09-14, 22:10

@Erhjegel. Could you explain to me the real abilities of [Undefeated Sword Durandal]? Since that weapon capable of making Vanadis possessors like a joke.

Unfortunately I've yet to reach the battle with Roland, so I can't help you with this.

Ddraig

2012-09-14, 22:14

Reek of Blood

2012-09-14, 22:23

This is nothing compare to Akame ga Kiru.

Akame ga Iru? What about deadman wonderland? :twitch:

Hemisphere

2012-09-14, 22:25

You guys are straying out of bounds. Those are more apples to oranges comparisons, seeing as Vanadis doesn't glorify violence.

Reek of Blood

2012-09-14, 22:29

You guys are straying out of bounds. Those are more apples to oranges comparisons, seeing as Vanadis doesn't glorify violence.

Yeah, but Madan no Ou is LN, and everything is explained by words, including the violence. That's what make the violence feels more 'real' than in manga.

Hemisphere

2012-09-14, 22:38

Yeah, but Madan no Ou is LN, and everything is explained by words, including the violence. That's what make the violence feels more 'real' than in manga.

Not really. Using words to explain something is no different than using illustrations; what matters is the manner of presentation. The war accounts and battle progress are presented in the manner of a formal report, with a few adjectives strewn here and there depending on the impression of the one overseeing the battle. None too glorifying about violence.

Belgaesh

2012-09-14, 22:41

Florza finished translating chapter 01 as a teaser, it's already on BT. Hopefully someone may pick this novel in the future

Reek of Blood

2012-09-14, 22:48

Florza finished translating chapter 01 as a teaser, it's already on BT. Hopefully someone may pick this novel in the future

But he said in BT Forum that he won't continue translating this series. Seems like he got a hard time in translating the names. Even i, who can only relying on chinese translation (simpilified chinese though), got my brain messed up by author choices of name (It's really weird when you see names such as Sakstein, Zchted, or territorie, btw i'm not sure those names are right or not). If only he made official romaji for each name.

Belgaesh

2012-09-14, 22:54

Ddraig

2012-09-14, 23:13

Might this also explain why no one else translating manga version also?

Reek of Blood

2012-09-15, 02:02

Might this also explain why no one else translating manga version also?

Manga? where? I hadn't heard about that:confused:

Hemisphere

2012-09-15, 02:05

Manga? where? I hadn't heard about that:confused:

I'm pretty sure this is the real reason why Vanadis' manga isn't being translated.

It's being published on a relatively unknown manga on a monthly basis. I can't remember how far it's progressed right now, but it's definitely passed Volume 2, if I remember it right.

The naming issues come after people find out about the manga and decide to scanlate it, hahaha.

Eleonora says hi!
http://i.imgur.com/vHQe3.png

Reek of Blood

2012-09-15, 02:08

I'm pretty sure this is the real reason why Vanadis' manga isn't being translated.

It's being published on a relatively unknown comic on a monthly basis. I can't remember how far it's progressed right now, but it's definitely passed Volume 2, if I remember it right.

The naming issues come after people find out about the manga and decide to scanlate it, hahaha.

Probably you're right, i couldn't even find it in chinese translations (it's very surprising, since they usually release faster than english speaking translations e.g. mangafox)

Hemisphere

2012-09-15, 02:15

Probably you're right, i couldn't even find it in chinese translations (it's very surprising, since they usually release faster than english speaking translations e.g. mangafox)

Unfortunately. The comic series that's publishing it is so unknown that digging up scans for it is very much difficult (but nowhere near impossible). Which is a shame, because the manga could help sate the appetites of those looking forward to Vanadis on its own, as it seems to be a faithful adaptation (though it's still a compressed adaptation, much like any other manga adaption of an LN).

Kleeyook

2012-09-15, 02:19

^^ Yeah. I think it's Comic Flapper or something, never heard before...

Reek of Blood

2012-09-15, 02:25

Haa......one of my entertainment got destroyed so easily.

@Erhjegel. In your opinion, what's the strongest country so far in this series? And how many Vanadis possessors it has?

Hemisphere

2012-09-15, 02:35

Haa......one of my entertainment got destroyed so easily.

@Erhjegel. In your opinion, what's the strongest country so far in this series? And how many Vanadis possessors it has?

Well, only Zhcted, Eleonore's country, has the 7 Vanadis. As to which country is the strongest...

Pre-Roland's demise, it was definitely Brune. He was strong enough to act as a sort of nuclear deterrent against the other countries wishing to invade Brune, such as Sachstein and Muozinel. While Zhcted does indeed have the 7 Vanadis (and it's definitely no question that, should they work together as a unified force, the 7 Vanadis would be a force to reckon with), Zhcted's king, Victor, has spent too much time playing the Vanadis against each other because of his own insecurities that they pose little threat.

Post-Roland's demise and Volume 5's contents considered...politically, it would still be Brune. Tigre has managed to establish friendly relations with Zhcted; he is now formally recognized as a hero by the King of Brune and by extension the entire country; Muozinel's general has even proclaimed Tigre's prowess as that similar to Roland's, even if it was just to save face; he is known to have cooperated with, and holds friendly connections with at least three known Vanadis, with Elizabetha sending a messenger to establish ties with him. Not to mention, his bow's full potential has yet to be unlocked; I suspect that element will come into play only once all seven Vanadis are gathered/have fallen for him. Considering all that, Brune is a very powerful country due to Tigre's influence, position, and recognition. (Take note that this answer is based off whatever information I have gathered from the jp wiki and spoilers, as I myself have not read up to Volume 5 yet)

But considering that there are other mysterious, non-human elements at work, I suspect that the story has yet to really begin. I think it's about to start scratching the surface of the story that Kawaguchi Tsukasa is really itching to write...and I am completely excited for this series' future.

Reek of Blood

2012-09-15, 02:40

Well, only Zhcted, Eleonore's country, has the 7 Vanadis. As to which country is the strongest...

Pre-Roland's demise, it was definitely Brune. He was strong enough to act as a sort of nuclear deterrent against the other countries wishing to invade Brune, such as Sachstein and Muozinel. While Zhcted does indeed have the 7 Vanadis (and it's definitely no question that, should they work together as a unified force, the 7 Vanadis would be a force to reckon with), Zhcted's king, Victor, has spent too much time playing the Vanadis against each other because of his own insecurities that they pose little threat.

Post-Roland's demise and Volume 5's contents considered...politically, it would still be Brune. Tigre has managed to establish friendly relations with Zhcted; he is now formally recognized as a hero by the King of Brune and by extension the entire country; Muozinel's general has even proclaimed Tigre's prowess as that similar to Roland's, even if it was just to save face; he is known to have cooperated with, and holds friendly connections with at least three known Vanadis, with Elizabetha sending a messenger to establish ties with him. Not to mention, his bow's full potential has yet to be unlocked; I suspect that element will come into play only once all seven Vanadis are gathered/have fallen for him. Considering all that, Brune is a very powerful country due to Tigre's influence, position, and recognition. (Take note that this answer is based off whatever information I have gathered from the jp wiki and spoilers, as I myself have not read up to Volume 5 yet)

But considering that there are other mysterious, non-human elements at work, I suspect that the story has yet to really begin. I think it's about to start scratching the surface of the story that Kawaguchi Tsukasa is really itching to write...and I am completely excited for this series' future.

Ack! seems like Tigre will be a bigger threat more than Vanadis.

Hemisphere

2012-09-15, 02:50

Ack! seems like Tigre will be a bigger threat more than Vanadis.

It seems that way, but here's the thing!

Tigre has the cooperation of four Vanadis for now (if we count in Elizabetha's request for a political connection with Tigre). And he's already proven himself to be a very competent leader and an excellent sniper. So the question then becomes: what kind of enemies would Tigre and company have to face now such that they become a threat equal to or surpassing their caliber? Speculating the possibilities alone is already getting me excited!

hyuugalegacy

2012-09-15, 03:09

It seems that way, but here's the thing!

Tigre has the cooperation of four Vanadis for now. And he's already proven himself to be a very competent leader and an excellent sniper. So the question then becomes: what kind of enemies would Tigre and company have to face now such that they become a threat equal to or surpassing their caliber? Speculating the possibilities alone is already getting me excited!

!Wait four vanadis i thought it was only ellen, mira and sophie whose no.4

Hemisphere

2012-09-15, 03:12

Ack, I see I edited that post too late. Just recheck it and you'll see what I meant to say.

hyuugalegacy

2012-09-15, 03:32

Oh I see.

okay question from the ignorant guy aka me.

Has tigre any connection with sasha, has he even met her yet?

Hemisphere

2012-09-15, 03:36

Oh I see.

okay question from the ignorant guy aka me.

Has tigre any connection with sasha, has he even met her yet?

He has not met Alexandra/Sasha yet, nor Elizabetha or Valentina.

I suggest reading through this topic from the first page to avoid asking any questions that have already been answered.

whsie

2012-09-15, 07:23

well, Tigre "met" Valentina except he was asleep. She just slipped in and poked, poked Tigre's cheek. Formally, he has only met Sophie, Ellen, and Lumirada.

Hemisphere

2012-09-15, 07:49

well, Tigre "met" Valentina except he was asleep. She just slipped in and poked, poked Tigre's cheek. Formally, he has only met Sophie, Ellen, and Lumirada.

As well as being his second sekuhara-while-asleep victim! First one being Limalicia when she recovered from the snake bite in Volume 2.

Okay, I had to laugh.

Sophia telling Eleonore that Tigre kindled her interest, and Eleonore notes that the last time she heard that was when Sophie saw Rurie (Eleonore's pet dragon) for the first time. And then Sophia jokingly asks Eleonore if she can borrow Tigre; "don't worry, if he gets dirty, I'll wash him and return him clean as a whistle".

Laughing so hard right now.

whsie

2012-09-15, 09:16

Hemisphere

2012-09-15, 09:31

It seems like Ganlon purposefully lost to Tendalie. Ganlon and Tendalie had a conversation before. It was extremely clear from the conversation that Tendalie fears the short, fat, baldy noble across him. Ganlon was like, you have your dragons, Tigre has "the Bow", what do I have? Tenadlie replied that even if he and Tigre joined forces, they would still be no match for Ganlon. Ganlon just laughed it off. Ganlon then asked what Tendalie's plans are. Tendalie then replied that he'll follow Ganlon's lead.

After a while, Ganlon and Greast has a conversation in which it's clear that Ganlon plans on losing to Tendalie. Ganlon predicts that Tendalie will unleash the dragons and by doing so, it'll make the victory look more "convincing." Ganlon then asks Greast to move all his fortunes outside the country and once they lose, burn the land. He plans to make Tenadlie fight Tigre. If Tendalie wins, he'll swoop in and kill Tendalie. He'll then have both of the Sword (Roland's sword) and Bow. If Tigre wins, he'll move out to Zetch or the neighboring country to the left and take a wait-and-see approach. He wants to see how Tigre handles the political situation with the princess.

An then in the following battle in the plains where 24,000 are matched up against 30,000, Tenadlie wins by unleashing the dragons. Tendalie than shifts his focus to Tigre.

Hm..., not sure why Valentine is working with Ganlon. But if there's one thing clear, it's that Ganlon is the big fish. He'll probably be the central antagonist in the next arc.

I knew it! Ever since I read your summary, I've had this hunch that the stage would move to Zhcted next (which really isn't that far off a guess; anyone could probably deduce that after reading Volume 5). I'm also curious myself as to why a Vanadis like Valentine is working with Ganlon, as well as to what motives and plans Ganlon has. I wonder if Valentine is not completely cooperating with Ganlon, but rather lending aid until she accomplishes her own agenda (like proving Tigre's true worth, or some such)?

The Bow and the Sword...seems like Ganlon's definitely aware of their true colors, similar to Drechvach. This escalation feels like it's going places, that there was more at stake in play than just a simple "civil war". This is giving me Final Fantasy Tactics/Tactics Ogre-esque vibes.

It definitely seems like the story's going to begin moving once Vanadis 6 is out, and the forces that-be behind the scenes are going to take action soon. Definitely can't wait for the sixth Volume now. I wonder if Tigre and the Vanadis that joins him would be able to learn/unlock new skills for their weapons in the near future?

I AM SO. STOKED. STOKED, MY GOOD FELLOWS.

Hemisphere

2012-09-15, 23:23

Oh. My. God.

Finally reached the battle against the Navarle Knights...and I am just speechless. Absolutely floored at how the battle went. So many emotions and thoughts still whirling around in my head at the moment.

It seems both my assumptions were right on the mark; Tigre has been labelled a rebel to the throne; due to this even some of his allies are hesitant to assist him now, much less march to the field against their own country's best knights. Their reasoning however was very much sound; they only want to protect their lands against Tenaldie by seeking out the most dependable ally they could count on. Initially it was Tigre and Elenore's armies that seemed the most dependable to them, but with the arrival of the Navarle Knights and with Tigre being outed as a rebel, to them the Navarle Knights appear to be the most possible option now. It was of course a slap in the face to Elenore and her Zhcted troops and I fully understand Tigre's anger, but both perspectives were just as valid; until Viscount Ojie reminded them how Duke Tenaldie might move against them, that is.

That was only prior to the fight; once the fight began, it was just a rush from beginning to end. Roland leading his Navarle Knights in a spear formation and then easily dismantling Tigre's and Elen's defenses with very little effort and cutting everything in his path down just like he did in the first chapter against the Sachstein troops was just as intriguing as it was then; only it now takes a more horrifying turn because this is Roland cutting down Tigre's troops, fellow Brune citizens whom Roland is convinced has turned against his country. Roland is so much unstoppable that even Lim and Elen are awestruck at how they are getting too easily overwhelmed in an instant (noting that this is the first time they have encountered this kind of enemy); Roland easily swathes through their formation, and the Navarle Knights' morale rocket sky-high and fearlessly follow their leader, plowing through their opposition who are scrambling to stop either one of these forces as best as they could.

It gets so bad that Elen is forced to charge the front by herself in an attempt to stop Roland. The moment she appears in front of Roland, she is just completely overwhelmed by his presence and is actually visibly shaken. A Vanadis like Elen, shaken by Roland's presence alone? This was proof enough of Roland's overwhelming strength; still, Elen shakes off her hesitation and charges on. The resulting duel is then completely one-sided; never a duel as it was Elen trying fervently to desperately defend herself against Roland's attacks, noting that one of his attacks earlier could have very easily taken her arm as it did her horse's head. Even Arifaal had to warn Elen to stay wary of Roland's sword. Notably, both are surprised at the durability and prowess of their weapons as they clashed against each other; Roland notes that this is the first time a sword has not chipped or broken against Durandal, while Elen thinks to herself that this is the first time she's fought something so monstrously overpowering. They then ask the other of their weapons and their capabilities, to which they give the same reply; that they do not fully understand just what it is their weapons are, that they had only received it and used it since.

The moment ten of Elen's soldiers came around her trying to protect her from Roland despite knowing how easily they would be cut down, that was when I knew everything had gone to hell. But Tigre's swift rescue of Elen was remakable, coming out of nowhere, attracting Roland's attention and then dodging Roland's slash as they charged at each other while on their horses. He then fired an arrow at Roland which missed, picked up Elen and started to run away just as Roland turned his horse around to pursue them - only for Roland's horse to get shot through the head with the arrow that Tigre missed with earlier. Even Roland was astonished at what just happened. ASTONISHED (To put into perspective just how absolutely stunning this turn of event is, remember that Roland is the shining paragon and champion knight of Brune, the country that absolutely looks down on bows and archers). Tigre then continues to retreat with Elen, continuing to fire arrow after arrow after their pursuers and managing to take down their horses one after another with each shot, until Elen noticed something. Tigre's deep wound that ran from his left shoulder all the way to his right side, apparently from having "dodged" Roland's earlier attack, seeping through his clothes and leather armor and staining them with dark crimson; worse yet, every time Tigre stretched his bowstring and fired his bow, the wound only cut open worse than before.

Sophia coming to the rescue was definitely a very welcome development; at that point I felt a bit relieved with her coming to Elen and the now unconscious Tigre's aid after their horse collapsed and their pursuers almost on top of them. Sophie then shows what her Viralt is capable of; producing an impenetrable barrier made out of light, buying time for Elen who was cradling Tigre in her arms to run off and retreat. Roland then appears, seemingly impressed by Sophia's magic barrier, and mentions casually that no magic can stand before Durandal's might; Sophia just smiles and tells him that he's welcome to try, but her voice wavered for a bit, due to her Viralt warning her to be very wary of Roland's sword much like Elen's did earlier coupled with Roland's imposing presence.

Roland easily slashes through Sophia's barrier with little effort, after which Sophia activates Trans-Am and quantumizes runs away herself. After the battle, with Tigre and Elen's troops having retreated and taken a sizable distance from the Navarle Knights' formation, Roland asks his second-in-command, Olivier, just who the man with the red hair who shot his horse down was. Olivier takes a while to remember Tigre's name, and describes him as the noble who was publicly ridiculed for being good with only the bow. Roland's interest in Tigre has Olivier curious, and Olivier offhandedly mentions that it was just bad luck that Tigre's arrow, which missed its target in the first place, managed to strike down Roland's horse right through the head.

"Bad luck? No, Olivier. It went exactly as that man aimed for", Roland says with a smile and a laugh as he noted Olivier's confused face. He then explains to Olivier why this was such, with a strong fighting will burning in his eyes. If Tigre directly aimed at Roland, Roland would have immediately intercepted the shot (think back to Volume 1, Elen and Tigre's first encounter). As it was, Tigre intentionally "missed" the shot, with the trajectory completely aimed at his horse's head in the first place; this not only lowered Roland's guard as the shot was not aimed at him and therefore would not be a threat, but it also slowed down his reaction time. Furthermore, taking all this into consideration, Tigre came up with this plan and had the confidence to do all with just one shot of his arrow. Roland notes how Tigre did all this not with the intent of fighting against Roland but to help Elen. Roland himself admits that he is impressed by Tigre's skill with the bow, and Olivier notes that if Roland's assessment of Tigre's skill is true, then that would make Tigre quite a monster; to which Roland replies that in the eyes of Sachstein and Asvarre, he himself is viewed as such.

Roland's backstory is revealed afterwards, and now it makes perfect sense as to why he would be loyal to the king who encouraged and motivated him to become the perfect "Knight of Knights". Roland himself has doubts against both Dukes Tenaldie and Ganlon, the men who issued the order for him to march against Tigre and Elen's troops with the intent of crushing them in a single day's passage, but as the order came with the king's seal he could only do as what was expected of a knight to do. Again showing just how much the story is entangled around not so much good versus evil, but individuals with their own motives, goals and circumstances.

I have to say that I was absolutely floored from start to finish of that battle - and to think that it was only the half-way part of the volume! While several moments definitely grabbed my interest, this was the one that got me the most; Roland, the Knight of Knights, champion knight of Brune, respects Tigre's skill with the bow all from just that one fleeting encounter.

Time to read more.

willx

2012-09-15, 23:46

- Words / Summary -

AGHHH!!!! This is so exciting! Thanks for the summary!

God, I want to read this. I want it. I WANT :help::bash::help:

Hemisphere

2012-09-16, 00:19

Even better, I was listening to this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ36y73Bdg4) (during the entirety of the battle) and then this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSu2UbFHI1s) (during Tigre's rescue attempt).

I'd suggest that doing that too, but I don't know if summaries have the same brevity as the words themselves.

Eight hundred men lost, much more injured, Tigre is unconscious with a critical wound, and every one is very much demoralized. Well played, Ganlon and Tenaldie, well played...those bastards.

Richocet

2012-09-16, 00:42

Thanks for the summary @Erhjegel
Wow Roland is so GAR, too bad he dies

Reek of Blood

2012-09-16, 01:15

Thanks for the summary @Erhjegel
Wow Roland is so GAR, too bad he dies

I thought Roland at first is just a strong badass, but i found his character is very likeable at the end. Dies honorably, that is.

Not to mention that he has high loyalty towards his country and his King.

Hemisphere

2012-09-16, 01:35

I thought Roland at first is just a strong badass, but i found his character is very likeable at the end. Dies honorably, that is.

Not to mention that he has high loyalty towards his country and his King.

Roland's character is so much more than just plot-contrived badass enemy, and I like him for it. You can really see his dedication in the context of his actions and decisions. He might be unbelievably powerful, but more importantly he's still very much a person just like Tigre and the rest, all with their motives, circumstances, goals and decisions to make.

Reek of Blood

2012-09-16, 01:44

Roland's character is so much more than just plot-contrived badass enemy, and I like him for it. You can really see his dedication in the context of his actions and decisions.

But man......I just didn't like the fact that author kill such important character so easily.

BTW, did they mention the number or army he led? Anyway i'm curious about Valentine, as she's been kept in the dark all this time.

Hemisphere

2012-09-16, 01:49

But man......I just didn't like the fact that author kill such important character so easily.

BTW, did they mention the number or army he led? Anyway i'm curious about Valentine, as she's been kept in the dark all this time.

He led six thousand knights strong, if I remember correctly, since he had equal the number of forces that Tigre and Elen had (1000 Brune + 5000 Zhcted).

I'll probably grieve myself once I reach that part. But considering the political turmoil and situation the entire country is in, I am not too surprised.

Tom1

2012-09-16, 07:53

now,who hold roland's sword??
it will be really cool if tigre use it...

Reek of Blood

2012-09-16, 09:41

now,who hold roland's sword??
it will be really cool if tigre use it...

Whoa, Tigre would be in a deep shit if that godly sword became his, since he can't even wield spear or sword:upset:.

BTW, is it true that viralts are sentient weapons and capable of choosing its own master? Any chance it would go berserk and rebel against its own master?

Hemisphere

2012-09-16, 09:57

Yeah, that's a brilliant idea right there. Let's make the man who can use only the bow a sword, a weapon he handles worse than a new trainee with zero combat experience. Even better, a big, huge great sword at that, and watch him die in 2 seconds flat while he tries to wield it during a war. It's cool after all.

...Chuunis. This series is seinen for a reason.

Whoa, Tigre would be in a deep shit if that godly sword became his, since he can't even wield spear or sword:upset:.

BTW, is it true that viralts are sentient weapons and capable of choosing its own master? Any chance it would go berserk and rebel against its own master?

Yes, Viralts are sentient weapons with their own wills that choose their masters. No, they do not go berserk against their master; if a Viralt finds its current wielder to be unworthy, it will simply leave and appear before the new chosen Vanadis.

Ddraig

2012-09-16, 11:09

Thank you for the summary Erhjegel. During that battle I assume that Tigre doesnt know how to activate his bow power yet?

Hemisphere

2012-09-16, 11:29

Thank you for the summary Erhjegel. During that battle I assume that Tigre doesnt know how to activate his bow power yet?

The revelation to his bow comes after the end of that battle, right before the "rematch", which I am reading through right now (with Nenshou Kairou (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOZOM7FMf-w) blaring from my speakers at 12:30 midnight, as promised).

Mars Mode

2012-09-16, 11:53

The revelation to his bow comes after the end of that battle, right before the "rematch", which I am reading through right now (with Nenshou Kairou (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOZOM7FMf-w) blaring from my speakers at 12:30 midnight, as promised).

;) Every single badass scene is without a doubt much more rich with that kinda ost

Hemisphere

2012-09-16, 14:32

Just finished Volume 3. What a way to end the Volume. Seriously, much love to Kawaguchi Tsukasa.

He definitely knows how to stab me in the guts and then twist them around so badly.

Before the actual rematch, events followed as such. Elenore divided the army into three groups, each led by Limalicia, Matthuss and herself. They then draw the attention of the Navarle troops, who are also split into three groups, away until they reach the place where they prepared a nice trap for them. The trap being the ground too muddy to support the Navarle Knights and their heavy weights (due to their armor + equipment + horses), making them mincemeat for the lightly-equipped and more agile Zhcted forces (most if not all of the Brune forces led by Tigre and Odje have stayed behind). They prepared the trap a night before, thanks to Elen remembering that Tigre said that it would rain later in the day, using the sandbags they used to cut off the lake's water flow earlier during the battle against Greast (Volume 3 Chapter 2; in short, consistency and a call back to an earlier established event).

Seeing Navarle troops being butchered, Roland dismounts and charges into the fray, again swathing a path through the Zhcted troops with ease; again Elen comes out to face him in combat. Roland asks her where Tigre is, and the Vanadis replies in an offhand manner; that Tigre is currently away being busy, and that in his place, Silvfrau would be Roland's partner. Clashing once again, Roland notes how stronger Elenore is now; unlike before, her resolution is set as she vowed to protect Tigre and everything he wishes to protect as he is her "property". A circle forms around them in the middle of all the fighting; Zhcted troops dare not interfere, while the Navarle Knights who wish to aid Roland end up getting pushed away by Sophia. Elen takes the opportunity to draw Roland away while Sophie follows right behind them. Having taken a considerable distance from the two armies' butchering ground, Sophia politely asks to enter the fray against Roland to which he agrees without much concern.

Both Vanadis then take to fighting Roland with much less restraint than before. Roland takes off the head of Elenore's head once again, making this the second day that she has lost yet another horse. But unlike before, Elen now uses her Veda, Verni and clocks up begins flying through the air at high speeds while slashing away at the black knight. Initially taken aback at this, Roland manages to track her unpredictable movements by following the wind instead of her figure and manages to disable her Veda with a strike from Durandal. Sophia who had been watching the fight unfold between the two then uses a Veda of her own, GN particles Mudielasph. This distracts Roland enough for Elenore to charge up and unleash her Veda, Excalibur Ley Admos, a giant blade of wind - which Roland easily intercepts with Durandal, causing a tempest upon its impact with the black blade from which he walks away unharmed. He notes how powerful these attacks were, and more importantly, how much determination they have in order to use these skills on someone like him, but notes that they will never win against him.

And then an arrow comes flying at Roland from out of nowhere, to which he instinctively senses, and cuts down (call-back to Tigre's rescue of Elenore in the first Navarle Knights battle; this is why he didn't directly aim at Roland). He looks at the distance from where the arrow was fired and sees Tigre coming towards them from a distance.

While the Navarle Knights continue to get pounded, during which Lim and Matthuss talk to each other about how they plan to have a few words with Tigre regarding his recklessness, far off in the distance Tigre arrives on the scene where Roland, Elenore and Sophia are. Roland then talks with Tigre in an attempt to clarify the situation and verify his suspicions during which the truth comes out. Roland remains dubious and asks Tigre what he would do if these "mercenaries of Zhcted" then start impeaching on Brune soil and attacking civilians, to which Tigre replies without a moment's hesitation (and with two Vanadis right by him at that) that should that happen, he would go to war with them in order to protect the people of Brune. Elen laughs and confirms Tigre's story: their only "goals" are to protect the citizens of Alsace (and by extension Brune) and that they are only after Duke Tenaldie's head, hence why Elenore agreed to be "employed" by Tigre. Roland decides to settle this with strength, but before that, Tigre wishes to show him something.

Tigre draws a single arrow from his quiver; suddenly a black light starts gathering around the arrowhead while his body quivers in agony and pain. Both Vanadis are startled at the sight after which Tigre lets loose; the arrow slams into the ground with such force resembling the power of Elenore's Veda, Ley Admos, earlier. Roland decides that he won't hold back himself, and grips Durandal with two hands; Elenore then realizes that up to now, Roland had been wielding Durandal with only one hand, intentionally holding himself back. Tigre tries to gather the same level of power as before but to no avail, and he notes that his body soon give out before he could muster the same amount of power again. Just then the two Vanadis come up behind Tigre, offering him words of support; their Viralt react in turn, gathering wind and particles of light around Tigre's arrowhead. Sophia is at a lack of words at what is happening, and Elen just laughs at Sophia's surpise.

Roland braces himself for the shot and challengingly screams at Tigre to fire over the loud roaring winds. "I will triumph over you! For the sake of protecting my people!" Tigre fires, and Roland meets the arrow head on, with a lour roar akin to a mountain being blown away resounding throughout. An abnormal sight that; the Black Knight, the Knight of Knights, champion of Brune, wielding the great sword Durandal with two hands, being equally rivaled in strength by one mere arrow. The black knight grinds his teeth and puts his strength into destroying Tigre's arrow, and succeeds.

He is the one who has received the sword royal sword Durandal from the king, the black knight Roland. Inside his heart, Roland replays Tigre's words from earlier - for the sake of protecting my people. For the sake of the people, which of them went into battle, spilled countless blood and took many lives? Tigre was indeed labelled as a rebel; but, who forced his hand into making him into a rebel? I received this royal sword from the king, as well as this duty of protecting my people were what went through Roland's mind. With a loud roar, Roland smashes Durandal into the ground with such force that the shock wave shook Tigre's hair and the cracks ran up to his feet.

Watching the scenery along with Tigre were the two Vanadis, holding their breath as they looked at Roland. There the black knight stood, completely safe and unharmed, with cracks running down his armor. "I have lost" were the words that spilled out of his mouth as his hands remained firmly clutching the sword Durandal that was firmly planted on the ground.

In all honesty, the fight between Tigre and Roland was not so much anything like chuuni shounen over-the-top choreographed fighting as it was a clash of ideals, and it was suitably apt for it. Like I mentioned time and time again the story revolves around individuals with their respective merits, goals, ideals and circumstances, and the fight between Roland and Tigre is the best example of this so far. This point is further reinforced when Roland hands Tigre the royal sword Durandal. Roland did so not only as a sign of his promise to Tigre that he shall keep his word and grant him an audience with the king as an apology; he did so while keeping in mind the legend of the knight Roland (whom he was named after) who fought for the sake of the people, showing how Roland recognizes and respects Tigre's fight.

There was also another purpose for Roland handing the sword to Tigre; Tigre was worried that, with the news of their army having beaten the Navarle Knights and Roland, the other Knights and nobles might march against Tigre's company. Remember that in everyone's eyes, Tigre is still formally branded as a rebel conspiring with foreign troops.

People here have been heaping miniscule and ridicule on Roland just because he dies. Here are the details. Despite still taking precautions, Roland ends up trapped in a small room with no windows, and a hundred poisonous insects swarming him while Duke Ganlon cackles happily from the room above him. The next morning they find him dead, his figure distorted from all the stings and almost unrecognizable as a man, but standing straight and tall, defiantly glaring until the end.

Duke Tenaldie was even outraged at Roland's death, noting that with Roland's strength could have definitely had other purposes in their agenda, to which Ganlon simply replies with "he failed his duty, so he's dead; what's so wrong with that?" Roland's death was not just to kill off the strongest character ever and make people go WTF THAT'S UNFAIR; it was to show just how inhumane Ganlon is, how almost non-human he acts and thinks. That was the brilliance behind it.

In the epilogue, Elenore and Tigre get to share a brief but tender moment before Elenore has to leave in order to assist Alexandra/Sasha against Elizabetha. This is pretty much a must-read because it shows just how not only their characters but their relationships have grown and developed. It was definitely a wonderful scene to read, and even up to the partings were heartfelt.

But this was the part that made me shiver inside.

Tigre is now down to 2000 men, with 1000 Brune soldiers and 1000 that Elenore left behind to join Tigre, Rurrick included. Word of Roland's death then reaches Tigre and company. And if it has reached them, then you know the news has definitely spread not just to them, but to other places as well. Tigre reacts with surprise, and then the following line just stabbed me through the heart.

"A Muozinel force of 20,000 has broken through the south border. They desperately request immediate assistance."

On to Volume 4 with so much gusto I think I'm going to explode with joy and spew rainbow mints out of my eyes. That or sleep, since it's 3:35 am and instead of progressing to the next Volume which I could have done two hours ago, I ended up typing this out instead. Any mistakes, whatever.

blackwhite67

2012-09-16, 15:38

So Tigre did get the sword?

Belgaesh

2012-09-16, 17:08

Thanks Erhjegel for the summary, Roland and the battle between him and Tigre was more awesome than I imagined.

Reek of Blood

2012-09-16, 17:32

So Tigre did get the sword?

No, he did not. And even if he did, he would just put it aside since he couldn't even wield spear or sword.

That aside, Did that crossdressing prince reappear in this volume? I heard he (she) hide her survival from public. I thought she was in the middle of an assasination attempt where all of her bodyguards died protecting her (including her trusworthy friend Jeanne, so sad......), but what happens to her afterwards? (This part nearly indechiperable using my premature chinese. I also heard that some guys from Briune learn about her survival and attempt to kill her to prevent her from revealing her gender to the public, is it true?

blackwhite67

2012-09-16, 17:38

No, he did not. And even if he did, he would just put it aside since he couldn't even wield spear or sword.

That aside, Did that crossdressing prince reappear in this volume? I heard he (she) hide her survival from public. I thought she was in the middle of an assasination attempt where all of her bodyguards died protecting her (including her trusworthy friend Jeanne, so sad......), but what happens to her afterwards? (This part nearly indechiperable using my premature chinese. I also heard that some guys from Briune learn about her survival and attempt to kill her to prevent her from revealing her gender to the public, is it true?

Erhjegel's last summary clearly stated "There was also another purpose for Roland handing the sword to Tigre"

Reek of Blood

2012-09-16, 18:05

Erhjegel's last summary clearly stated "There was also another purpose for Roland handing the sword to Tigre"

Oh sorry. It's because i didn't read Erhjegel summary but i read directly from chinese translation (probably i misread something there).

Well, even if he did receive the sword, what he could do about it? I recalled that Tigre even lose to a normal foot soldier when it comes to melee combat. It's funny to see someone that devote himself to archery using sword in the middle of war.

Also, the scene where Tigre made a plan to flood enemies army is very awesome. I just can't believe that a lazy ass and sleepyhead like him is very quick-witted and a capable strategist.

HasNoLove

2012-09-16, 21:37

Erhjegel's last summary clearly stated "There was also another purpose for Roland handing the sword to Tigre"

the question is, where's Tigre keep the sword for good and safety..??

blackwhite67

2012-09-16, 22:08

Isnt Durandal like the Viralts? It should choose its owner

kuroishinigami

2012-09-16, 23:02

Also, the scene where Tigre made a plan to flood enemies army is very awesome. I just can't believe that a lazy ass and sleepyhead like him is very quick-witted and a capable strategist.

Well, it's a common trope nowadays for capable strategist to be a lazy ass in modern story. It probably comes from the sleeping dragon, which basically nowadays means a person who hides his true ability, being one of the most widely known strategist. The original sleeping dragon actually die young from overwork though :heh:

Hemisphere

2012-09-16, 23:31

So much intriguing developments and gripping character insights to be gleamed, and what most of you obsess over is Durandal? Durandal is nothing more than a glorified medal of honor for Tigre, meant not only to symbolize and represent what was already listed earlier (Roland's apology and recognition of his efforts) but that should Knights or Nobles go after Tigre's company, Tigre was to use Durandal as proof that he had indeed defeated Roland (and gained his trust) in order to convince them to back off. After all, "if someone defeated the unstoppable monster known as Roland, then it would have taken someone much more monstrously powerful" would be the reasoning. Plus, it was the royal sword handed down by the King to the Black Knight Roland. One would think that Roland would not just simply pass something of that value and importance to an enemy, much less to a rebel.

No, chuunis. Tigre will not use the sword. Tigre will not wield Durandal. It has already been established several times that Tigre's remarkable mastery of the bow comes with the price of being absolutely clumsy when it comes to using other weapons. This story has an established logic and follows it faithfully; it will not drop it just for the sake of being cool. Get over it. I suggest dropping your interest for this series and following something like Sword Art Online if you can't.

That aside, Did that crossdressing prince reappear in this volume? I heard he (she) hide her survival from public. I thought she was in the middle of an assasination attempt where all of her bodyguards died protecting her (including her trusworthy friend Jeanne, so sad......), but what happens to her afterwards? (This part nearly indechiperable using my premature chinese. I also heard that some guys from Briune learn about her survival and attempt to kill her to prevent her from revealing her gender to the public, is it true?

Prince Princess Regnas does indeed appear in Volume 4. I am not aware of the specific circumstances leading to her survival as I have not reached that part, though I'm sure some spoilers have it listed if I recall correctly. Also, I would put that part in spoiler tags if I were you; his her identity was meant to be a surprise.

Also, the scene where Tigre made a plan to flood enemies army is very awesome. I just can't believe that a lazy ass and sleepyhead like him is very quick-witted and a capable strategist.

The brilliance during that part was that that was the enemy General expected. Tigre instead turned it on its head and lured the enemy troops into a guerrilla warfare scenario instead.

Well, it's a common trope nowadays for capable strategist to be a lazy ass in modern story. It probably comes from the sleeping dragon, which basically nowadays means a person who hides his true ability, being one of the most widely known strategist. The original sleeping dragon actually die young from overwork though :heh:

True, but in this case the trope is not just used for the effect but because it makes sense in context. Tigre is a very seasoned and experienced hunter who has managed to take down a dragon all by himself by using the terrain to his advantage. In this world, nothing can penetrate a dragon's hide except for Vedas, the special skill of the Viralts wielded by a Vanadis (or something similarly powerful). His quick-thinking stems from his hunting background (as implied heavily by the story, and subtly but expertly proven by not only the hunting-time-surprise-dragon-interrupt incident, but also from the first encounter between Tigre and Elen), while his laziness is from his lifestyle as a hunter as well.

kuroishinigami

2012-09-17, 00:08

True, but in this case the trope is not just used for the effect but because it makes sense in context. Tigre is a very seasoned and experienced hunter who has managed to take down a dragon all by himself by using the terrain to his advantage. In this world, nothing can penetrate a dragon's hide except for Vedas, the special skill of the Viralts wielded by a Vanadis (or something similarly powerful). His quick-thinking stems from his hunting background (as implied heavily by the story, and subtly but expertly proven by not only the hunting-time-surprise-dragon-interrupt incident, but also from the first encounter between Tigre and Elen), while his laziness is from his lifestyle as a hunter as well.

I'm not saying it doesn't make sense. The trope usually fit the context when used anyway(most common reason being, a genius don't really need to work hard when he/she can already plan everything from his/her bed). I'm just answering to the earlier remark that it's not strange at all in fiction for a brilliant strategist to be a lazyass and get recognized by people even if in real world, that usually doesn't happen because of seniority issue and "common" sense issue.

Hemisphere

2012-09-17, 00:09

I'm not saying it doesn't make sense. The trope usually fit the context when used anyway(most common reason being, a genius don't really need to work hard when he/she can already plan everything from his/her bed). I'm just answering to the earlier remark that it's not strange at all in fiction for a brilliant strategist to be a lazyass and get recognized by people even if in real world, that usually doesn't happen because of seniority issue and "common" sense issue.

No no no, I'm not saying what you said didn't make sense. I meant to provide a more concrete example as well as a defining context in the light of this series to the trope you pointed out earlier. I must apologize for this confusion due to my poor choice of words.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-17, 00:25

But he said in BT Forum that he won't continue translating this series. Seems like he got a hard time in translating the names. Even i, who can only relying on chinese translation (simpilified chinese though), got my brain messed up by author choices of name (It's really weird when you see names such as Sakstein, Zchted, or territorie, btw i'm not sure those names are right or not). If only he made official romaji for each name.

That's me right there....we are in the same boat buddy...

Oh. My. God.

Finally reached the battle against the Navarle Knights...and I am just speechless. Absolutely floored at how the battle went. So many emotions and thoughts still whirling around in my head at the moment.

It seems both my assumptions were right on the mark; Tigre has been labelled a rebel to the throne; due to this even some of his allies are hesitant to assist him now, much less march to the field against their own country's best knights. Their reasoning however was very much sound; they only want to protect their lands against Tenaldie by seeking out the most dependable ally they could count on. Initially it was Tigre and Elenore's armies that seemed the most dependable to them, but with the arrival of the Navarle Knights and with Tigre being outed as a rebel, to them the Navarle Knights appear to be the most possible option now. It was of course a slap in the face to Elenore and her Zhcted troops and I fully understand Tigre's anger, but both perspectives were just as valid; until Viscount Ojie reminded them how Duke Tenaldie might move against them, that is.

That was only prior to the fight; once the fight began, it was just a rush from beginning to end. Roland leading his Navarle Knights in a spear formation and then easily dismantling Tigre's and Elen's defenses with very little effort and cutting everything in his path down just like he did in the first chapter against the Sachstein troops was just as intriguing as it was then; only it now takes a more horrifying turn because this is Roland cutting down Tigre's troops, fellow Brune citizens whom Roland is convinced has turned against his country. Roland is so much unstoppable that even Lim and Elen are awestruck at how they are getting too easily overwhelmed in an instant (noting that this is the first time they have encountered this kind of enemy); Roland easily swathes through their formation, and the Navarle Knights' morale rocket sky-high and fearlessly follow their leader, plowing through their opposition who are scrambling to stop either one of these forces as best as they could.

It gets so bad that Elen is forced to charge the front by herself in an attempt to stop Roland. The moment she appears in front of Roland, she is just completely overwhelmed by his presence and is actually visibly shaken. A Vanadis like Elen, shaken by Roland's presence alone? This was proof enough of Roland's overwhelming strength; still, Elen shakes off her hesitation and charges on. The resulting duel is then completely one-sided; never a duel as it was Elen trying fervently to desperately defend herself against Roland's attacks, noting that one of his attacks earlier could have very easily taken her arm as it did her horse's head. Even Arifaal had to warn Elen to stay wary of Roland's sword. Notably, both are surprised at the durability and prowess of their weapons as they clashed against each other; Roland notes that this is the first time a sword has not chipped or broken against Durandal, while Elen thinks to herself that this is the first time she's fought something so monstrously overpowering. They then ask the other of their weapons and their capabilities, to which they give the same reply; that they do not fully understand just what it is their weapons are, that they had only received it and used it since.

The moment ten of Elen's soldiers came around her trying to protect her from Roland despite knowing how easily they would be cut down, that was when I knew everything had gone to hell. But Tigre's swift rescue of Elen was remakable, coming out of nowhere, attracting Roland's attention and then dodging Roland's slash as they charged at each other while on their horses. He then fired an arrow at Roland which missed, picked up Elen and started to run away just as Roland turned his horse around to pursue them - only for Roland's horse to get shot through the head with the arrow that Tigre missed with earlier. Even Roland was astonished at what just happened. ASTONISHED (To put into perspective just how absolutely stunning this turn of event is, remember that Roland is the shining paragon and champion knight of Brune, the country that absolutely looks down on bows and archers). Tigre then continues to retreat with Elen, continuing to fire arrow after arrow after their pursuers and managing to take down their horses one after another with each shot, until Elen noticed something. Tigre's deep wound that ran from his left shoulder all the way to his right side, apparently from having "dodged" Roland's earlier attack, seeping through his clothes and leather armor and staining them with dark crimson; worse yet, every time Tigre stretched his bowstring and fired his bow, the wound only cut open worse than before.

Sophia coming to the rescue was definitely a very welcome development; at that point I felt a bit relieved with her coming to Elen and the now unconscious Tigre's aid after their horse collapsed and their pursuers almost on top of them. Sophie then shows what her Viralt is capable of; producing an impenetrable barrier made out of light, buying time for Elen who was cradling Tigre in her arms to run off and retreat. Roland then appears, seemingly impressed by Sophia's magic barrier, and mentions casually that no magic can stand before Durandal's might; Sophia just smiles and tells him that he's welcome to try, but her voice wavered for a bit, due to her Viralt warning her to be very wary of Roland's sword much like Elen's did earlier coupled with Roland's imposing presence.

Roland easily slashes through Sophia's barrier with little effort, after which Sophia activates Trans-Am and quantumizes runs away herself. After the battle, with Tigre and Elen's troops having retreated and taken a sizable distance from the Navarle Knights' formation, Roland asks his second-in-command, Olivier, just who the man with the red hair who shot his horse down was. Olivier takes a while to remember Tigre's name, and describes him as the noble who was publicly ridiculed for being good with only the bow. Roland's interest in Tigre has Olivier curious, and Olivier offhandedly mentions that it was just bad luck that Tigre's arrow, which missed its target in the first place, managed to strike down Roland's horse right through the head.

"Bad luck? No, Olivier. It went exactly as that man aimed for", Roland says with a smile and a laugh as he noted Olivier's confused face. He then explains to Olivier why this was such, with a strong fighting will burning in his eyes. If Tigre directly aimed at Roland, Roland would have immediately intercepted the shot (think back to Volume 1, Elen and Tigre's first encounter). As it was, Tigre intentionally "missed" the shot, with the trajectory completely aimed at his horse's head in the first place; this not only lowered Roland's guard as the shot was not aimed at him and therefore would not be a threat, but it also slowed down his reaction time. Furthermore, taking all this into consideration, Tigre came up with this plan and had the confidence to do all with just one shot of his arrow. Roland notes how Tigre did all this not with the intent of fighting against Roland but to help Elen. Roland himself admits that he is impressed by Tigre's skill with the bow, and Olivier notes that if Roland's assessment of Tigre's skill is true, then that would make Tigre quite a monster; to which Roland replies that in the eyes of Sachstein and Asvarre, he himself is viewed as such.

Roland's backstory is revealed afterwards, and now it makes perfect sense as to why he would be loyal to the king who encouraged and motivated him to become the perfect "Knight of Knights". Roland himself has doubts against both Dukes Tenaldie and Ganlon, the men who issued the order for him to march against Tigre and Elen's troops with the intent of crushing them in a single day's passage, but as the order came with the king's seal he could only do as what was expected of a knight to do. Again showing just how much the story is entangled around not so much good versus evil, but individuals with their own motives, goals and circumstances.

I have to say that I was absolutely floored from start to finish of that battle - and to think that it was only the half-way part of the volume! While several moments definitely grabbed my interest, this was the one that got me the most; Roland, the Knight of Knights, champion knight of Brune, respects Tigre's skill with the bow all from just that one fleeting encounter.

Time to read more.

Ya that part was definitely awesome, the way he planned that arrow to strike at the horse's head made me view Tigre with even most respect than before!

It seem all of you now know the greatness of Roland =w= *shot*

Hemisphere

2012-09-17, 00:27

It seem all of you now know the greatness of Roland =w= *shot*

It's more likely that they have an unhealthy fixation with Durandal, from the looks of things.

Kleeyook

2012-09-17, 00:32

Hemisphere

2012-09-17, 00:42

When Tigre first confronted Roland and rescued Ellen, how did he manage to kill the horse? Did he just kill the horse right away, or intentionally missed the target and waited for the ricochet arrow to kill the horse when Roland intended to hunt them? I want to be more clear about that part. Thanks!

Remember that Tigre was rushing at Roland, with Roland similarly rushing his horse at Tigre after having his attention drawn from Elen. As they drew closer, Roland swung his sword in a wide horizontal arc which Tigre barely evaded by ducking down as far as he could (the wound Tigre received from this was from his left shoulder down to his right abdomen side; that should give you an idea of their respective positions at the time). At this point they are now past each other and in parallel lines.

Tigre then turns to face Roland. He readies an arrow, and "missed" the shot. Tigre was "aiming" at Roland and then fired the arrow but the shot "missed" and went into the air. Clearly, Roland has nothing to fear from a missed shot - only for it to land back down and strike through his horse's head when he turned around to pursue.

If Tigre fired it directly at Roland's direction, Roland would have immediately intercepted it with Durandal, raced towards him and Elen, and then cut them both down right then and there.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-17, 00:42

*Edit* Erhjegel Answered it

Hemisphere

2012-09-17, 00:48

What I loved about that part was consistency in the story telling in line with previous events. Why did Tigre decide to pull off such a strategy against Roland in order to save Elen?

Because during his first encounter with Elen, Tigre experienced the same thing. He directly fired arrows straight at Elen with the intent to take her down; Elen merely intercepted his shots. It would then stand to reason that Roland, who is clearly stronger than Elen, would have a much easier time sensing and then intercepting any shot Tigre pulls off should he do the same thing. So now he comes up with a different tactic, one based on his previous experience, in just a matter of seconds while rushing towards Roland.

Also note that everyone is overwhelmed by Roland's presence whenever they come up against him. Even Elen and Sophia were no strangers to fear when they came up against Roland. But Tigre just rushed towards Roland in order to rescue Elen with barely any fear or hesitation.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-17, 00:56

Hemisphere

2012-09-17, 00:59

I think Tigre wasn't overwhelmed by Roland's presence as much as Elen and Sophia because he probably had met intimidating and fearful beasts as a hunter, ( especially that dragon), so even though he's overwhelmed but he might had been less effected by his presence. Ofc not to mention the fact he had to rescue Elen too.

Nah. When he remembered what happened, he shivered at the thought of Roland's presence. It was just that, at that moment, nothing else but Elen's safety mattered for Tigre so he shut out all emotion (think mushin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushin)).

xBakaChanx

2012-09-17, 01:01

Nah. When he remembered what happened, he shivered at the thought of Roland's presence. It was just that, at that moment, nothing else but Elen's safety mattered for Tigre so he shut out all emotion (think mushin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushin)).

Now we all know what's going to happen next for Elen and Tigre *smirk*

Hemisphere

2012-09-17, 01:06

Now we all know what's going to happen next for Elen and Tigre *smirk*

Not if Lyudmila has anything to say about it (later)!

Time to go back to Volume 4 and read about how Tigre is going to match a Muozinel army of 20,000 strong with his troops of 2,000. I'm already trembling with excitement just thinking about it.

xBakaChanx

2012-09-17, 01:08

Not if Lyudmila has anything to say about it (later)!

Time to go back to Volume 4 and read about how Tigre is going to match a Muozinel army of 20,000 strong with his troops of 2,000. I'm already trembling with excitement just thinking about it.

Ooo I'm excited just by thinking about it! Really gotta get around to read that ~ Booklist too big >_< wish i have a couple more eyes

Hemisphere

2012-09-17, 05:49

For those who have read the LNs, have any of you noticed how:

The scenes with Tigre using his bow's power always involves him bleeding onto the bow at some point? In Vol. 1, he incurred a hand injury causing him to smudge the bow with his blood; Vol. 2, a wound from his shoulder trickled blood onto his bow; Vol. 3, the huge gash from Roland's slice causing him to bleed on the bow. Just curious if this plays any relevance in the future. I'm guessing this is the sort of compensation Tigre has/had to pay in order to either:

1) Discover the truth of the bow from Tir na Fa, the goddess of death who handed it down to his ancestor (and who Tigre resembles a lot according to her), or;
2) Use the bow's power; as according to Tir na Fa he is nowhere near his ancestor's level who could use the bow's power consciously, hence her words "Make the bow yours"

Or maybe both.

willx

2012-09-17, 09:53

Thanks Erhjegel! Your summaries and enthusiasm have definitely revived and encouraged interest in this awesome light novel! Keep 'em coming and glad you enjoy the story!

whsie

2012-09-17, 11:44

Not if Lyudmila has anything to say about it (later)!

Time to go back to Volume 4 and read about how Tigre is going to match a Muozinel army of 20,000 strong with his troops of 2,000.

Lol, the 20,000 strong is just the vanguard. The main force is behind.

willx

2012-09-17, 12:33

So, I was reading through EnigmaticAxion's cleaned up machine translations for Vol 1 .. after Tigre rescues Teita.. did he just catch an arrow in flight with his bare hands!?

Kleeyook

2012-09-17, 13:03

I wonder if Tigre can use bow in close quarter combat like Raven from Tales of Vesperia. :p

Kna

2012-09-17, 18:05

I wonder if Tigre can use bow in close quarter combat like Raven from Tales of Vesperia. :p

He might need to choose "point blank shot" feat on his next level-up first :heh:

Reek of Blood

2012-09-17, 19:20

So, I was reading through EnigmaticAxion's cleaned up machine translations for Vol 1 .. after Tigre rescues Teita.. did he just catch an arrow in flight with his bare hands!?

Yes, but his hands got injured in the process.

Anyway, can someone explain to me about:
About Alexandre (I'm not sure whether this name is correct or not), she is supposed to be the most powerful Vanadis, as she singlehandedly curbstomped Ellen and Rudmila 2 years prior the story, is it true? I heard she's sickly, so how come she was capable of doing such feat?

Ddraig

2012-09-17, 20:51

Tygre might not be able to wield sword like Durandal but there might be possibility that in the future he can draw power from it like how he draw it from Viralt.

blackwhite67

2012-09-17, 20:58

Oh! Maybe Durandal will choose Princess/Prince Legunas! She's certainly got spunk. She cross dressed as a boy to serve the country after all, which makes her an excellent successor to Roland.

Hemisphere

2012-09-17, 21:43

Tigre choosing to use guerrilla warfare to whittle down an enemy ten times larger than his forces was a sound choice, and the way they went at it was interesting. First day, annoy the hell out of them and then lure them to an "obvious" trap; three thousand of the enemy sent to dispatch their three hundred or so, and then taking down around a thousand of the enemy at the end of the day (by making them think that the troops waiting in ambush numbered 3000 strong). And the call-back to Volume 1, during Alsace's battle was definitely in line with Tigre's plans. When they began looting the dead of their gear, I was thinking along the lines of Tigre's troops being able to stock up on weapons and armor in order to preserve their own for a long fight; after all, they've resorted to using rocks the size of an adult's fist in order to save their use of arrows.

Next day, lure out the enemies to where they were "stationed", then engage then in hit-and-run; only this time they had forces coming out of the Muozinel troops' flanks wearing the same armor and looking exactly the same as the Muozinel troops right down to the skin. So this was why Tigre's troops looted the enemies from the encounter yesterday!

The day after was a much harsher encounter, with the Muozinel troops bringing hostages (Brune civilians who were captured and turned into slaves by Muozinel forces) with them this time around. Of the several slaves brought, Ten Brune men were decapitated early in the morning to call out Tigre's troops, to which they responded several hours later at noon. The combination of a Brune general who uses a bow (I had to laugh at Kasshim, the Muozinel vanguard force general's thoughts at this), Zhcted troops appearing out of nowhere, and their general suddenly being shot in the head from an otherwise unbelievably impossible range was enough to send the already morale-battered now-down-to 15000 troops of Muozinel running for their lives. All in all, Tigre's guerrilla warfare was a psychological war of attrition against the Muozinel's 20000 troops.

Interestingly enough, a subversion occurs when Tigre appears before the other hostages who were brought along by Muozinel. One of them starts berating Tigre for having taking this long to appear; if they have appeared earlier, none of the hostages would have been killed. An irrational grievance at that; if Tigre and his men had appeared earlier, they would have been slaughtered as the Muozinel troops' attrition were still high. At least one of them, despite being bitter over her father's loss, stepped forward and thanked Tigre. Tigre, in turn, thanked her as well.

Tigre notes that the enemy general was smart but was careless. The reason being Kasshim, the general of the 20,000 vanguard troops, was a slave until he was recognized for his ability, removed from slavery and then promoted to a general. However, if he fails in this campaign to invade Brune, he would be sent back to being a slave; which he desperately wished to avoid at all costs. So the reader can see how this would cloud his judgment; of course, Tigre and co. had no idea of the actual details.

Tigre's tactics had its downsides though. For one, they had to limit their strategies and movements based on their available food (which was dwindling by the moment) and weapon supply. Second, he had to make sure his soldiers were well-rested enough, but that they had enough time to follow up on pressuring the Muozinel troops in order to wear down the enemy's morale.

Lol, the 20,000 strong is just the vanguard. The main force is behind.

Indeed. At first glance though, it seems that Tigre is simply overwhelmed by sheer number. But once the actual campaign got underway, I was very much engaged at the development of the battle against the 20,000. The 40,000, now that's what scares me. Can't wait to see Lyudmila's appearance and see what she does!

So, I was reading through EnigmaticAxion's cleaned up machine translations for Vol 1 .. after Tigre rescues Teita.. did he just catch an arrow in flight with his bare hands!?

Yes, he did. He saw the archer from afar (no one can shoot as far as Tigre can) and caught the arrow with his hand, then fired it right back at the hapless archer. That's how he started bleeding on the black bow (which might have been the catalyst needed to reach out to Tir na Fa and/or awaken the bow's power in tandem with a Viralt).

I wonder if Tigre can use bow in close quarter combat like Raven from Tales of Vesperia. :p

Close-quarter combat has been and always will be Tigre's weakness; he desperately needs protection from close quarter combatants, and that's what Elen (and soon, Lyudmila) complements Tigre with in their fighting style. Elen/Mila to engage enemies in close combat and divert attention away from Tigre, while Tigre snipes enemy commanders and generals from afar.

Tygre might not be able to wield sword like Durandal but there might be possibility that in the future he can draw power from it like how he draw it from Viralt.

It might be possible, who knows? But at this stage of the war (from where I am at reading), very much unfeasible. Only Roland had the strength to wield Durandal; as it is, it is simply a very heavy great sword to every one else. Plus, everyone has literally no idea what the sword is and what it can do; Tigre bringing along a heavy great sword which he himself has no idea what it does (and only slowing down his mobility) into a war, much less a war where the enemy's numbers greatly outnumber him, would do him no good. As it stands, it is merely a glorified medal of honor at this point.

But I don't think this is possible. After all, as Drechvach and Vuojinev mentioned, The bow (and most likely the sword as well) are nothing like the Viralts.

Anyway, can someone explain to me about:
About Alexandre (I'm not sure whether this name is correct or not), she is supposed to be the most powerful Vanadis, as she singlehandedly curbstomped Ellen and Rudmila 2 years prior the story, is it true? I heard she's sickly, so how come she was capable of doing such feat?

Haven't reached that part yet unfortunately. If I recall, Elenore mentioned that Alexandra's sickness progressed to the point that she's bedridden only recently, though I'm not sure. I'll have to read on more to find out.

Reek of Blood

2012-09-17, 22:27

Haven't reached that part yet unfortunately. If I recall, Elenore mentioned that Alexandra's sickness progressed to the point that she's bedridden only recently, though I'm not sure. I'll have to read on more to find out.

Whoa, that means she's incapacitated for the time being. That brings me one question:
Why her viralt still loyal towards her and not leaving her? It can just look for new wielder with better performa.

Hemisphere

2012-09-17, 22:35

Whoa, that means she's incapacitated for the time being. That brings me one question:
Why her viralt still loyal towards her and not leaving her? It can just look for new wielder with better performa.

Exactly! That's the thing!

Even Elenore is wondering just why Alexandra's Viralt won't leave her, even though her condition is already like that. A Viralt will automatically leave a Vanadis and appear before the new one if the current Vanadis is unable to act as a Vanadis no longer (Elenore's predecessor and Lyudmila's mother both went down with sickness after which their Viralts left them). Alexandra's Viralt clearly hasn't left her yet, so Alexandra still meets the requirements of a Vanadis.

What this implies:
1) She's faking it.
2) There is a cure for her illness.
3) There is a third party at work here.

After all, she is the strongest Vanadis out of the seven. Who's to say that there's no third party out there conspiring to keep her weak and crippled?

I am thinking that Alexandra, Elizabetha, Valentina and then Olga are going to be focused on come the later volumes and the second arc of the story.

willx

2012-09-17, 22:41

^ WOO! Thanks for more summaries Erhjegel! Reading EnigmaticAxiom's "full" machine translation of Vol 1 was awesome, and these just keep me hungry for more!

Yes, he did. He saw the archer from afar (no one can shoot as far as Tigre can) and caught the arrow with his hand, then fired it right back at the hapless archer. That's how he started bleeding on the black bow

Okay.. did he catch it as in use his hand to block it (taking the hit) or just grabbing it mid-flight? Cause if he caught it mid-flight, he has no right to complain about Elen blocking his shots with his sword..

Seriously.. firing arrows further than anyone else can is one thing but catching one mid-flight and no one even comments on it!?

Hemisphere

2012-09-17, 22:49

Okay.. did he catch it as in use his hand to block it (taking the hit) or just grabbing it mid-flight? Cause if he caught it mid-flight, he has no right to complain about Elen blocking his shots with his sword..

Seriously.. firing arrows further than anyone else can is one thing but catching one mid-flight and no one even comments on it!?

He caught it prematurely by the arrowhead part mid-flight before it hit Tita. The bit about him being able to fire farther than anyone else was to hint at him judging the distance the arched fired from, calculated the speed of the arrow and then catching it before it could hit Tita, all subconsciously done.

Here's how it went, in case it was confusing:
http://i.imgur.com/cGAEi.jpg

After all, when you're the (unknown) patron saint and deity of archery, I suppose you're allowed to show off here and there (I jest).

willx

2012-09-17, 22:58

^ Okay, he can't complain anymore. The ability to catch arrows mid-flight is ridiculous. That's even harder than deflecting it with a weapon.. Why the hell was he complaining about Elen!?

Hemisphere

2012-09-17, 23:09

^ Okay, he can't complain anymore. The ability to catch arrows mid-flight is ridiculous. That's even harder than deflecting it with a weapon.. Why the hell was he complaining about Elen!?

You have to remember that, up until this point, all Tigre has been doing is hunting. This was his first engagement with another human enemy; a Vanadis at that.

Besides, he definitely learned from the experience, judging from his actions when he went to save Elen against Roland.

Honestly, I didn't really like the "catching the arrow" bit, seeing as it never gets brought up again. It was just cheap and done to make Tigre look cool. But I guess Japan has a thing for the whole "catching arrows" stuff.

Also, I'd rather not address the whole possibility or not of catching arrows, seeing as it's a very long-debated issue with stuff like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLj8eK814o0&feature=player_detailpage#t=282s) saying it's possible and stuff like the MythBusters test saying its not, and some people believe mushin and years of training lets them be able to do that.

Reek of Blood

2012-09-17, 23:17

Honestly, I didn't really like the "catching the arrow" bit, seeing as it never gets brought up again. It was just cheap and done to make Tigre look cool. But I guess Japan has a thing for the whole "catching arrows" stuff.

Also, I'd address the whole possibility or not of catching arrows, but it's a very long-debated issue with stuff like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLj8eK814o0&feature=player_detailpage#t=282s) saying it's possible and stuff like the MythBusters test saying its not, and some people believe mushin and years of training lets them be able to do that.

This whole "catching arrow" thing sounds kinda lame and forced (The author just want to make him look cool). I'd prefer Tigre deflects incoming arrow using his arrow shoot.

On an unrelated note, this series seems like lacking fanservice severely.
The only fanservices are when Tigre groping and sucking heroine' breast. Every cover pages also always depict each heroine with 'large balloon' on their chest. The author must have a thing with boobs. Why only boobs? Give us more!

Hemisphere

2012-09-17, 23:21

This whole "catching arrow" thing sounds kinda lame and forced (The author just want to make him look cool). I'd prefer Tigre deflects incoming arrow using his arrow shoot.

On an unrelated note, this series seems like lacking fanservice severely.
The only fanservices are when Tigre groping and sucking heroine' breast. Every cover pages also always depict each heroine with 'large balloon' on their chest. The author must have a thing with boobs. Why only boobs? Give us more!

Didn't really like the arrow bit myself. The writing for volume 1 still remains pretty solid and consistent except for that bit, which I have reservations for. It sticks out like a sore thumb. I'd like to think his editor/publisher forced him to put in a "cool" scene for Tigre (I'm looking at you, MF Bunko...) hence why we got that scene, because it really doesn't fit anywhere and is completely inconsistent with the rest of the author's writing. Either that or he suffers chuunibyou on occasion.

Too much fanservice actually deviates from the good writing and events that unfold. Also, most of those fanservice moments are in character and have pretty good scenes and circumstances involving them, not just thrown in. Personally, the amount of fanservice involved is just about right. I don't want it taking over the flow and pacing of the story just for some cheap boobs and asses or whatever.

Reek of Blood

2012-09-17, 23:32

Didn't really like the arrow bit myself. The writing for volume 1 still remains pretty solid and consistent except for that bit, which I have reservations for. It sticks out like a sore thumb. I'd like to think his editor/publisher forced him to put in a "cool" scene for Tigre (I'm looking at you, MF Bunko...) hence why we got that scene, because it really doesn't fit anywhere and is completely inconsistent with the rest of the author's writing. Either that or he suffers chuunibyou on occasion.

Too much fanservice actually deviates from the good writing and events that unfold. Also, most of those fanservice moments are in character and have pretty good scenes and circumstances involving them, not just thrown in. Personally, the amount of fanservice involved is just about right. I don't want it taking over the flow and pacing of the story just for some cheap boobs and asses or whatever.

Kah, you're right, i was just overobsessed with fanservice. Currently i stumbled on Volume 3, but i was wondering why volume 1 and 2 ended in cliffhanger.

@Erhjegel. In your opinion, in what volume will the first arc end?

Hemisphere

2012-09-17, 23:34

Kah, you're right, i was just overobsessed with fanservice. Currently i stumbled on Volume 3, but i was wondering why volume 1 and 2 ended in cliffhanger.

@Erhjegel. In your opinion, in what volume will the first arc end?

The first arc regarding Brune's inner turmoil ends in Volume 5, and sets up the teaser and hook for the second arc beginning in Volume 6 onwards. As to what it will involve, no idea.

Yes. YES. YESSSSSSSSSSS! Lyudmila, your big damn heroes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigDamnHeroes) moment was definitely perfect! A bit later and Tigre and his ten archers would have definitely been overwhelmed!

*still fist pumping and excited over Lyudmila's arrival*

Kleeyook

2012-09-18, 08:33

Reek of Blood

2012-09-18, 08:49

Well, there are people with incredibly inhuman reflex who can slice a non-lethal bullet in half without seeing, catching arrow might be possible if they know beforehand where the arrow will land, at the price of their hand...

Arrow from a bow can't match arrow from crossbow in term of destructive force or speed, same as how it's impossible to compare them to a gun, or a rifle.

You have the point there, but this is merely fiction work. Anything could happen as long as the author wants it.

Well, arrow from a bow indeed stronger and faster than crossbow, but have less accuracy, not to mention that crossbow capable of firing several arrows at once.

Hemisphere

2012-09-18, 09:15

Reek of Blood

2012-09-18, 09:24

Okay. From what I've read so far of Alexandra, I definitely want to see her meet Tigre just to see how she'd take to him. As well as see how Elen would react once her Vanadis best friend starts getting all chummy with her property, heh. Probably not going to be pretty, judging by how she reacts to Mila or Sophia's displays of affection towards Tigre.

Such a lucky guy. Tigre is slowly building his harems where all of them are princesses. At least i wanna see Alexandre in action, especially her dual blade fighting (I became obsessed with dual wielding after watching episode 9 of SAO):D

willx

2012-09-18, 11:43

The first arc regarding Brune's inner turmoil ends in Volume 5, and sets up the teaser and hook for the second arc beginning in Volume 6 onwards. As to what it will involve, no idea.

Yes. YES. YESSSSSSSSSSS! Lyudmila, your big damn heroes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigDamnHeroes) moment was definitely perfect! A bit later and Tigre and his ten archers would have definitely been overwhelmed!

*still fist pumping and excited over Lyudmila's arrival*

TELL MEHHH.. PUH-LEEZE...!!!! Oh god, I'm dying here.. I think this series is my biggest "I WANT" right now.. And Mahouka comes in a close second.. I just wish I wasn't so terribad at learning languages..

Belgaesh

2012-09-18, 13:50

TELL MEHHH.. PUH-LEEZE...!!!! Oh god, I'm dying here.. I think this series is my biggest "I WANT" right now.. And Mahouka comes in a close second.. I just wish I wasn't so terribad at learning languages..

Same here. I was reading the summaries of the first two volumes, and those made me want to read even more, I even thought of start learning japanese to read this.

Reek of Blood

2012-09-18, 18:21

Same here. I was reading the summaries of the first two volumes, and those made me want to read even more, I even thought of start learning japanese to read this.

Keep it up, dude! I'm supporting you wholeheartedly.

Just finish reading Vol 4, and i cannot stop my laughter because:
Vanadis named Valentine made her appearance. I never thought she would be daring enough to sneak into Tigre tent when he's sleeping. At first she intended to examine him closely while he's sleeping, but getting sexually harassed by him in his sleep instead:heh:

I also got slightly annoyed by:
Tenardiel. Seriously, what the hell is this guy anyway!? A character with brain but absolutely no brawn like him could make our superpowered protagonists look like a complete fools, which make me pissed to no end. Judging from his speech, seems like he got some 'hidden agenda' behind his sleeve. Gah, just make him died already! I've got enough with complete bastard like him!:frustrated:

My favorite part is:
Ellen's jealousy reached MAX just because Sophie show slightly affection towards Tigre, and Rudmila showing most of her 'soft side' towards him

Anyway, could someone explain to me about:
That two-headed dragon which appear at the end, it came out of nowhere with no explanation whatsoever. Kah, Tigre, should you failed in dealing it, you dead meat!

Just one more volume*read faster*read faster*

Hemisphere

2012-09-18, 22:20

After the encounter against the Muozinel troops, Tigre and Geralt (Viscount Ojie's son, the lord of Territoire and one of Tigre's Brune supporters since Volume 2) discuss among themselves what to do with the two thousand civilians they've just rescued. With a lack of food supply and shelter in the surrounding area, they decide to evacuate all of the civilians to Territoire. As Tigre gives the order down to Geralt to prepare for their next move, Rurrick comes in composed but shaken by something, and asks to speak with Tigre urgently.

In private, Rurrick then breaks the news he's gathered from the Muozinel prisoners they managed to capture from the earlier skirmish; the troops they fought earlier were just a vanguard, with the main force moving in behind them. Tigre is already surprised by the news, but is completely floored when Rurrick mentions that the main force is 30,000 strong. Counting the 10,000ish vanguard Muozinel troops remaining, it would be wise to assume that they would end up going against 40,000 troops, with only their 1,000ish number.

Geralt suggests retreating in order to save their hides (in a subtly insulting manner directed to Tigre), and Rurrick decides he's had enough of the lad testing Tigre all this time. Rurrick punches Geralt and asks him how long is Geralt going to continue testing Tigre (Geralt has been doing it all this time since before the first guerrilla attack), to which Geralt replies that this was the last occasion. He wanted to judge whether or not Tigre would, for the sake of protecting Alsace, abandon Territoire; after all, considering Tigre's circumstances (a lowly noble who's only good with the bow, allied with foreign forces at that and now branded a rebel), other people (those being Brune) would be just as wary of him. Tigre sees where he's coming from and agrees, and Geralt is thankful for Tigre's consideration.

Before dawn breaks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ36y73Bdg4), Tigre's troops and the 2,000 civilians begin their evacuation. It proceeds slower than Tigre had initially anticipated, due to exhaustion and fatigue taking it's toll on everyone. Just then, a scout arrives with news that Muozinel troops numbering around 3-4 thousand have appeared and are on the way to crush Tigre's troops while they make their retreat. Wasting no time, Tigre immediately leaves command of the operation to Rurrick as well as asking for his remaining arrows. Rurrick tells Tigre to at least take some men with him, and Tigre rushes off with ten men following him.

Tigre spots the Muozinel troops in march, stops his horse and begins firing with his Zhcted troops following his lead. Muozinel troops attempt to fire back but cannot land a hit on Tigre's troops, as the wind is blowing from Tigre's back towards the Muozinel forces' direction (the ONLY advantage Tigre has during this encounter). Tigre is completely desperate to stop them at this point, and while he's taken down a soldier with every arrow he's fired so far, the Muozinel troops show no intent of slowing down.

If this continues, they'll just storm past us and pursue Rurrick and the civilians...!

At that exact moment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSu2UbFHI1s), a large galloping of horses thundered out of nowhere, with Tigre thinking that it would be enemy reinforcements. The advancing Muozinel troops, noticing the approaching sound of horses booming from the top left cliff to them, stops.

Zhcted troops suddenly rush out of nowhere, four thousand strong and the banner of the black dragon flying high and mightily, in the space between Tigre's small band and the Muozinel forces. Led by a girl with short blue hair cut around her shoulder, a sharp and frosty glint in her eyes, wearing blue robes, and a spear in her hand. She leads her horse directly in front of Tigre, and with a mischievous smile she greets him.

"It's been a while, Tigreveuremeud Volan."

I love reading things with accompanying music to fit the mood.

Not only did I love Lyudmila's appearance, but I also love how she plays with him later on (like a cat playing with a cornered mice) during their negotiation. Hahaha. She's definitely got some plans for some husband weaning...

Plus I am definitely laughing my ass off right now as to how the Viralts treat Tigre. Elen's Viralt, much like her master, is friendly and on good terms with Tigre. Lyudmila's Viralt, on the other hand, is jealous of Tigre because of her interest in him. Hahahaha.