No Game No Life [Light Novel] (Licensed by Yen Press)

[Riz]

Shu-V / ShuV was the so called Ex Machina right?, are they android, cyborg, mechanical doll, or simple "Marionette Doll" ?

[Xacual]

Shu-V / ShuV was the so called Ex Machina right?, are they android, cyborg, mechanical doll, or simple "Marionette Doll" ?

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=5102515&postcount=357

Based on the images they look like androids.

[bakato]

Oh. I thought that was a different girl, but ShuV looks human.

[shiroi_kumo]

I wonder one thing. According to spoilers about vol6. Past Steph is past Sora step-sister and robo Shiro is his wife. And at present it is the other way around, where Sora and Shiro is a step-sibilings and ordered Steph tofall in love with him. Since past Sora chose robo Shiro instead ofstep-sister, I hope that this timehe will not do the same and choose Steph instead of step-sister. In the end, never fully was explained why he ordered her to fall in love.

It is also possible that when Kuhaku will become the new god that Steph will become the new king. As in the past when the past Sora androbo Shiro died. Although I can not imagine that she could rule the entire world which kuhaku conquered.

[quigonkenny]

Oh. I thought that was a different girl, but ShuV looks human.
Since ShuV isn't albino (Riku is), she looks a lot more like (Steph's ancestor) Dora than Shiro looks like Steph. Dora might be who you are referring to (if she has big any boobs, it's Dora). Also, when she's not wearing bulky clothing (like the animal PJs she's wearing in a number of pictures) it's pretty obvious that ShuV's partly, if not completely, mechanical. My guess is that Ex Machina are completely machine (or potentially nanomachine colonies, like Stargate's human form Replicators, which would blur the lines a bit), but with living "souls".

In the end, never fully was explained why he ordered her to fall in love.
The anime phrased it best: "Nii...did your own desires take over...?"

[MK-95-]

I wonder one thing. According to spoilers about vol6. Past Steph is past Sora step-sister and robo Shiro is his wife. And at present it is the other way around, where Sora and Shiro is a step-sibilings and ordered Steph tofall in love with him. Since past Sora chose robo Shiro instead ofstep-sister, I hope that this timehe will not do the same and choose Steph instead of step-sister. In the end, never fully was explained why he ordered her to fall in love.

It is also possible that when Kuhaku will become the new god that Steph will become the new king. As in the past when the past Sora androbo Shiro died. Although I can not imagine that she could rule the entire world which kuhaku conquered.

Now that you've mentioned that, a what if post I made a little while ago, just got some boost in probability. I'll just quote myself below.

You made a minor mistake though, but I get what you meant. You said "I hope that this timehe will not do the same". You basically said that he should do the opposite & choose the sister this time.

What you really meant to say was, "he needs to do the same again because Steph is the other girl this time & not the sister."

Actually, I just did a bit of homework & learned that Steph & Shiro love him. Its been implied that Jibril has growing feelings towards him & Clammy has shared memories with him (literally) [Come on, we all know that's a romance flag waiting to happen]. The harem is legit. XD Izuna is like an imouto-type harem member in this case.

Though, at this point, Shiro basically has the winning flag, so the other girls' feelings are kinda in vain. Unless, the author still gives us a harem end regardless of the fact that Sora loves Shiro.

Then again, its been confirmed that he loves Shiro, but it hasn't been confirmed what kind? What if that love isn't romantic, but love for a sibling? What was the exact conversation between Dhampir & Sora? Did Sora specify which type of love he wanted to feel? Considering that this series capitalizes on & makes use of loopholes as part of the central plot line, that "love" could be red herring to throw us readers off.

I'm specifically referring to the "what if" part of the above post.

[c933103]

In volume 2, it said:
"Every living thing in this world contains traces of Elemental, without exception, —— okay, to be much more direct, if I can confirm where the nerve cells centralise in, I can detect what kind of Elemental you have."
But is this the Elemental as one of the Exceed? I don't think so?

[quigonkenny]

In volume 2, it said:
"Every living thing in this world contains traces of Elemental, without exception, —— okay, to be much more direct, if I can confirm where the nerve cells centralise in, I can detect what kind of Elemental you have."
But is this the Elemental as one of the Exceed? I don't think so?
If you have access to the Japanese version, you could compare the word used there to the one Steph used when listing the Exceed in volume 1.

Chinese might work, too, though I assume there's as much a possibility as there is in English of using the same term in both places in the translation when different terms were used in the original, if they're synonyms.

[belatkuro]

Watching the latest episode and going back to this part in the volume, they didn't seem to have said "Acciente" in that game. Every game they've played has them declaring it.
Was this a mistake or is it intentional plotwise? Some people on /a/ are speculating that Jibril is just faking her loyalty for Sora and Shiro. Or is it just /a/ making a big deal out of everything(like usual).
Also, there was that other condition that Sora asked if he won. Has that been addressed in the future volumes?

[Xacual]

Do you think Sora and Shiro would ever be dumb enough to start a game without saying it? Honestly the two of them aren't that dumb to make a mistake like that.

[kagato3]

Even if it was purposely omitted I doubt Jibril's loyalty is an act. Everything about Sora and Shiro would be a wet dream for her, complete unknowns, check, gave her access to 40000 books of knowledge from another world, check, beat the little pansy god that won without even fighting, check, are planning to do it again, double check.

Jibril really has the most to lose by not invoking the Oaths from her point of veiw, she is convinced there is no way she could lose. By leaveing the game open Sora could easily refuse to give her the tablet.

[quigonkenny]

Everything about Sora and Shiro would be a wet dream for her...
Given her apparent drooling issue, that's quite the literal statement...

[MK-95-]

Given her apparent drooling issue, that's quite the literal statement...

Seconded!! Seriously though, she should work on that. Who would've thought that someone can have knowledgegasms?

[quigonkenny]

Seconded!! Seriously though, she should work on that. Who would've thought that someone can have knowledgegasms?
She already has wingasms, as seen in the last episode.

Now perhaps people start to see why she's so popular... ^_^

[imbuement]

About Tet's gender, some funny idea pop up...

At end, Sora win and Tet is loser, then... become a girl

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_hawkfish

A dominant male keeps a harem of several females. If a harem becomes too large, one of the females may become a male and take on part of the harem as a dominant male. What makes this species unusual is that the new male may revert to the female sex if challenged by a more powerful male. A male can become a female and successfully breed, laying fertile eggs.

Yeah, more powerful...

[Kaengel]

The third volume of the novel is now fully translated on Baka Tsuki. Finally tome for me to read it :p

[MK-95-]

^Thanks for the heads up. I'll head over there sometime tomorrow.

[Kaengel]

Well, I read it without interruption. And I was surprised by the volume. Finally Shiro got her time to shine, and I'm now very interested in Kurami. I didn't expect she and Sora to share their memories like this. Seems like there are some traumatic things in Sora's past.

[kazzuya13]

I wonder if the creation of new gods have been stopped by the birth of Tet?

[Netto Azure]

Damn, that final chapter for Volume 3.

Jibril is just so awesome. Able to cross reference cultural timelines like that.

[GreyZone]

Finally caught up with the novel (BT vol 3). And i sooo hoped that that last game between Sora and Steph about when the bird flies away would have a consequence at some point (since it was never said during that time what the bet was), and lol it DID! Author is genius.

[quigonkenny]

Finally caught up with the novel (BT vol 3). And i sooo hoped that that last game between Sora and Steph about when the bird flies away would have a consequence at some point (since it was never said during that time what the bet was), and lol it DID! Author is genius.
Yep. B-T is caught up at least to where the end of the anime should take us. And it's certainly a nice stopping place until they decide they've got enough for another season.

[GreyZone]

Yep. B-T is caught up at least to where the end of the anime should take us. And it's certainly a nice stopping place until they decide they've got enough for another season.

Can't wait for the animated version of the "mindfuck reversi". Anime EP8 will probably end with cliffhanger of Shirou waking up in the bed without Sora.

[quigonkenny]

Can't wait for the animated version of the "mindfuck reversi". Anime EP8 will probably end with cliffhanger of Shirou waking up in the bed without Sora.
Episode title suggests it ("Fake End").

Seriously, they need to teach this series in animation school. Call it "This is how you adapt a light novel series 101".

[GreyZone]

Episode title suggests it ("Fake End").

Seriously, they need to teach this series in animation school. Call it "This is how you adapt a light novel series 101".

Isn't the author of the LN directly involved in the production of the anime adaption? I heard something about that before it bagan to be broadcasted at least.

[Xacual]

Episode title suggests it ("Fake End").

Seriously, they need to teach this series in animation school. Call it "This is how you adapt a light novel series 101".

Kind of disappointed they went with "Fake End" instead of "Checkmate" as per chapter 4's title.

[Miraluka]

I'm waiting for next week episode to troll anime only watchers and made them think what if Sora is just a creation of Shiro's mind :grins:

[c933103]

btw, can you guys enter b-t's site now...?

[quigonkenny]

btw, can you guys enter b-t's site now...?
Nope, but it's been down before. I remember when they had the Haruhi project running, it seemed like it was down at least once a month.

[Riz]

^^ so it's not just me huh..

[MK-95-]

I'm waiting for next week episode to troll anime only watchers and made them think what if Sora is just a creation of Shiro's mind :grins:

+1. I so look forward to that. I want to see what the anime-only community's reaction would be like...:heh:

[whitecloud]

read the new update...Dhampir is here...to think entire race become miserable after the ten oath...to survive by literally sucking semen out of male because unable to suck blood anymore...after all you need consent

i could imagine the entire race basically opening brothel...just to survive...

[Riz]

is it dhampir or imp..?

[Craxuan]

Sweat or 'donated' blood also works, you know.

[Shadow5YA]

Kind of disappointed they went with "Fake End" instead of "Checkmate" as per chapter 4's title.

I think it's better this way.

If anime only viewers saw Sora disappearing like that, I know plenty that would rage at the dark turn :heh:

Many people enjoy the wacky fun the show offers, so if they see what happens and misinterpret as a tonal shift for the rest of the season, they would be pretty unhappy about it.

The "Fake End" title works as a faithful disclaimer that Blank didn't just suddenly lose out of nowhere like that.

[LoweGear]

So I gave in, read the translations...

... and now for some reason, Clammy is now my favorite character of the bunch, something that the anime has so far failed to do. :eyespin: Well, the anime hasn't yet reached the parts where Clammy becomes totally likeable, so yeah.

Don't worry Clammy, we don't care whether you pad them or not-

*SHOT*

[GreyZone]

So I gave in, read the translations...

... and now for some reason, Clammy is now my favorite character of the bunch, something that the anime has so far failed to do. :eyespin: Well, the anime hasn't yet reached the parts where Clammy becomes totally likeable, so yeah.

Don't worry Clammy, we don't care whether you pad them or not-

*SHOT*

Wha--- who is "Clammy" again? I guess I forgot whose Nickname that is.

[Kaengel]

Clammy refers to Kurami. And indeed she's a really likable character. I hope the anime will do something great about the beginning of the third volume.

[LoweGear]

Wha--- who is "Clammy" again? I guess I forgot whose Nickname that is.

Clammy is the alternate romanization for Kurami, aka Kurami Ziel, aka the girl who defeated Steph to nearly become Ruler of Elkia until Blank defeated her in Not!Chess. :heh:

She also looks much better in the LN's than the anime imho:

http://i.imgur.com/4mJnChTl.jpg

[quigonkenny]

Best line of Volume 4 so far:
"...Jibril, are dhampirs perverts?"

[silvercover]

I'm waiting for next week episode to troll anime only watchers and made them think what if Sora is just a creation of Shiro's mind :grins:

haha indeed, I cant wait to see how people will react.

this latest translation though, sora's got a point, they are a lot more like a succubus than vampire.

[c933103]

btw, in http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=No_Game_No_Life%3AVolume_2_Chapter _2&diff=355476&oldid=355137
I think it had changed to be more close to original text but a bit non-English?

[Seitsuki]

Yes, that English is terrible.

Not my script so won't touch it but seriously if people want more literal translations then Google is always there.

[Netto Azure]

Good lord, a Succubi race?

Its still a wonder why they didn't just go the ahem "comfort" business route.

I mean in a realistic fashion, they'd be dominating Disboard if they did that lol.

[watisit]

Good lord, a Succubi race?

Its still a wonder why they didn't just go the ahem "comfort" business route.

I mean in a realistic fashion, they'd be dominating Disboard if they did that lol.

They already do that to eat.

[Nvis]

Another Loli, and it's a succubus/vampire........WHY????

[Riz]

this morning, when I read chapter "easy start" was only 20%.
and when I checked just now, it's got updated up to 80%. so I read it....
but why the content of 80%'s was same as when 20%' like this morning?
(p.s: GMT+7)

[c933103]

this morning, when I read chapter "easy start" was only 20%.
and when I checked just now, it's got updated up to 80%. so I read it....
but why the content of 80%'s was same as when 20%' like this morning?
(p.s: GMT+7)

the homepage's figure hadn't updated last morning.

[Netto Azure]

They already do that to eat.

Then why is their race dying? o.o Reproduction issues?

Though they should fix that disease issue so they can expand their race more lol.

[quigonkenny]

btw, in http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=No_Game_No_Life%3AVolume_2_Chapter _2&diff=355476&oldid=355137
I think it had changed to be more close to original text but a bit non-English?
Yeesh. Don't know how accurate it is, but it sounds horrible in English.

EDIT:

How's this sound? Verifying that the [atmosphere], erased save for the oxygen, "caused" them to exhale a bit, the two shouted, squeezing every bit of air from their bodies.

""——[Atmosphere (atomosufea)] ! ""

The rest should be about right.

[cabman11]

@kenny do you think that it we gave js06, the guy that did the entire translation for to aru index nt vol 10 at godlike speed , the raws scans he would be able to get us caught up?
P.s he did the entire vol 10 of new testement in index in a week.
Based js06

[Seitsuki]

You do that. Well since this series is accounted for now, I guess we should go work on something else.

[Kioras]

@kenny do you think that it we gave js06, the guy that did the entire translation for to aru index nt vol 10 at godlike speed , the raws scans he would be able to get us caught up?
P.s he did the entire vol 10 of new testement in index in a week.
Based js06

I doubt he would.

He already is working on ~3 other series(including horizon) at the same time, other then whenever Index or whatever else Kamachi.exe releases.

So he has plenty on his plate

[watisit]

Then why is their race dying? o.o Reproduction issues?

Though they should fix that disease issue so they can expand their race more lol.

They need actual blood, fresh from the victim to grow and reproduce. But if it's just eating then any kind of bodily fluids would do.

[Kaengel]

I would prefer Js06 to continue Horizon/Owari translation instead of doing NGNL :p

He's the only one willing to kill himself with such heavy books.

[Riz]

hmm.. there's update on ch.1...
just a bit. tho..




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was vol.5 ch. 0 also an update?

[silvercover]

I wish the translator was as fast as the guy who did C3, man in just a few hours a long ass chapter got completed, then the whole volume got translated under a week.

ah and I also wish that C3 was given this much attention, to have their own forum...
please silver link, animate a 2nd season already.

[c933103]

I wish the translator was as fast as the guy who did C3, man in just a few hours a long ass chapter got completed, then the whole volume got translated under a week.

ah and I also wish that C3 was given this much attention, to have their own forum...
please silver link, animate a 2nd season already.

C3.....the desperate 1,899....

[c933103]

hmm.. there's update on ch.1...
just a bit. tho..




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was vol.5 ch. 0 also an update?

seem so...but i feel that it'd be better to read vol.5 after completing vol.4..

[kazzuya13]

Are they skipping volume 4?

[c933103]

Are they skipping volume 4?

See http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=No_Game_No_Life:Registration_Page for detail

[wakbob]

UMG todays cliffhanger. It hurts really badly.

[kache]

Can anyone spoiler what happened to Sora in this latest episode of the anime, please? I'm horribly curious! :D

[Xacual]

Can anyone spoiler what happened to Sora in this latest episode of the anime, please? I'm horribly curious! :D

If you're going to ask might as well just read the prologue and first chapter of volume 3.

[kache]

If you're going to ask might as well just read the prologue and first chapter of volume 3.
Where can I find it translated?

Nvm, found it myself, good that in 2014 there are novel sites that allow epub downloading.

[Newprimus]

Hmm, just read that chapter with Fii and Kurami against that one elven noble. If this LN and anime were far more popular, there'd be a ton of Fii x Kurami doujins. Seriously.


Also a question, do the later volumes maintain the quality of the first three volumes?

[AkaruiSho]

ello, how many LN's does the author plan to release? Hoping it doesn't end at 6 though, cause there isn't a release date shown for the 7th light novel WAAAAAA :3

[quigonkenny]

ello, how many LN's does the author plan to release? Hoping it doesn't end at 6 though, cause there isn't a release date shown for the 7th light novel WAAAAAA :3
Oh, I don't think we're at all close to the end. We've only (not counting flashbacks) conquered what, five out of the sixteen Exceed races? The author's got to have at minimum another 6 novels in the tank. Probably more.

Hopefully he can keep to a pace where three novels taken together make for an ideal one-cour anime. Would love to see the end of the story animated in NGNL VI or so, five or six years down the road...

[Xacual]

It's likely the author just hasn't had enough time to write yet since he just released volume 6 last month while also being heavily involved in the anime production.

[AkaruiSho]

hahaha yayy!! ^^ thanks! was abit curious LOL ^3^
I hope the anime runs until the actual ending though, unlike Sakurasou (another anime by Media Factory I think?) , which lasted halfway of the LN's so far. T_T

[novalysis]

Hmm, just read that chapter with Fii and Kurami against that one elven noble. If this LN and anime were far more popular, there'd be a ton of Fii x Kurami doujins. Seriously.


Also a question, do the later volumes maintain the quality of the first three volumes?

Considering that Fii is effectively Kurami's surrogate Mother, that might be quite creepy.

[c933103]

Considering that Fii is effectively Kurami's surrogate Mother, that might be quite creepy.

mother x daughter isn't sth new, i guess...? nor they're really of this kind of relationship...

[RDNexus]

hahaha yayy!! ^^ thanks! was abit curious LOL ^3^
I hope the anime runs until the actual ending though, unlike Sakurasou (another anime by Media Factory I think?) , which lasted halfway of the LN's so far. T_T
Forget it, it's set to be only 12 episodes, adapting as much as 3 of the, so far, 6 released volumes of the Novel. There's still a lot of good story to be told...

[quigonkenny]

Took a look at the original Japanese of Izuna's first scene, and she is specifically compared to a fennec, a type of North African fox with particularly large ears.
黒目黒髮のボブヘアーに、フェネックのように大きく長い獣耳と尻尾。そして大きなリボンを腰につけた和服の ――どう見ても、年齢一桁台の幼女がいた。Also, the "King Crimson!" line is in there. B-T must have translated that part from a Chinese version, which left it out for some reason.

[c933103]

Took a look at the original Japanese of Izuna's first scene, and she is specifically compared to a fennec, a type of North African fox with particularly large ears.
Also, the "King Crimson!" line is in there. B-T must have translated that part from a Chinese version, which left it out for some reason.

Both the taiwan's published chinese version and the mainland china's version floating around the internet have the king crimson line with annotation saying that's a jojo reference follow directly after. and the published version even have it in a extra large font size that occupy multiple lines. p.s. both of them also describe her ears and tails like 耳廓狐 which mean fennec fox.

[Craxuan]

I remember from the Chinese translated version, that we're going to get a clear narration of what happened in the past (how the Humans managed to survive the Great War) by Tet Himself. This should be very interesting.

[quigonkenny]

Both the taiwan's published chinese version and the mainland china's version floating around the internet have the king crimson line with annotation saying that's a jojo reference follow directly after. and the published version even have it in a extra large font size that occupy multiple lines. p.s. both of them also describe her ears and tails like 耳廓狐 which mean fennec fox.
I assumed the Chinese version they translated from wasn't exactly...published...if you know what I mean...

[The Green One]

mother x daughter isn't sth new, i guess...? nor they're really of this kind of relationship...

Unless I'm just not remembering right Kurami was a slave to Fi's family but Fi actually cared about her and treats her quite well. Fi seems less of a mother and more of a playfully teasing big sister who likes to mess with her beloved little sister for giggles but loves her dearly.

[Xacual]

I think Sora? describes their relationship like it flips between best friends to mother/daughter to sometimes like owner and pampered pet.

[The Green One]

*looks at first part of volume 4 chapter 1* Steph sure seems to do a lot better at games when it's not Sora and Shiro she's battling.

[watisit]

*looks at first part of volume 4 chapter 1* Steph sure seems to do a lot better at games when it's not Sora and Shiro she's battling.

To quote female knight from Maoyuu "If you spend that much time with somebody that strong you'll pick up a thing or two"

[Craxuan]

Actually, I think they're subtly hinting that Steph is going to play a major role in the future either as a temporary replacement for Blank, or even their sworn rival (recruited by Tet one way or another?).

She learns at an incredible rate and she even has social skills that Blank do not have, not to mention that she's in the perfect position to strike at anyone from the dark. It seems obvious at first glance that Kurami will come the closest in terms of cunning and strategizing - and she probably is - but while Kurami is trying to see through Blank's perspective, Steph grows independently on her own. Therefore Kurami is advisor material and never a ruler's, whereas Steph has everything to become Imanity's greatest Queen ever.

I personally think that Blank will go back to their own world eventually, after defeating Tet. The question is something like, if you can beat a God, then why don't you trust in your own abilities to beat the 'real' world, the world you came from? It's just a different board, a different game - unite humanity as you did in Disboard, and pull down that 'Observer' God from his/her throne and shape the real world to your own liking!... or something like that.

[The Green One]

If Sora and Shiro depose Tet and take over as the new God and Goddess of the world, Imanity will need a replacement ruler. Steph might eventually take over that role since she practically rules already. Really her main problem is she doesn't have the resolve and stomach for the high risk crazy stuff that Sora and Shiro pull.

[Craxuan]

Not yet. And she would likely never be able to be as bold as they are, but then the stakes will be much lower then (you've already beaten God, like what else do you want?) as her own wish is to maintain a peaceful world. Also, I honestly don't think having a crazy gambler like Shiro and Sora, even if they always win, is good for anyone's heart, lol.

[Netto Azure]

Lol it seems Steph is the Prime Minister for Elchea. Not bad for the grandaughter of the former King. :P

I think she's better suited for this role tbh. :P

[c933103]

I assumed the Chinese version they translated from wasn't exactly...published...if you know what I mean...

I said: "Both the taiwan's published chinese version and the mainland china's version floating around the internet".

[Shadow5YA]

Actually, I think they're subtly hinting that Steph is going to play a major role in the future either as a temporary replacement for Blank, or even their sworn rival (recruited by Tet one way or another?).

She learns at an incredible rate and she even has social skills that Blank do not have, not to mention that she's in the perfect position to strike at anyone from the dark. It seems obvious at first glance that Kurami will come the closest in terms of cunning and strategizing - and she probably is - but while Kurami is trying to see through Blank's perspective, Steph grows independently on her own. Therefore Kurami is advisor material and never a ruler's, whereas Steph has everything to become Imanity's greatest Queen ever.


Not even close. Notice how they mention Steph is just playing an "ordinary" poker game against the nobles.

I don't think Steph would stand a chance against the leaders of the other races. What she doesn't have is the ingenuity needed to change her country like Sora and Shiro do. However, she does have the ability to learn enough to maintain the country. She's good at practicing what is already established, not revolutionizing the country.

[EvI]

i don't think that sora and shiro will return to the old world (our world), as they said Disboard is the world where they should have been born since it is perfect for them, after becoming god they will just enjoy the world to the extreme while people try to defeat them through generations trying to follow their path.
also about steph just like someone said up there she is good at mantaining but not changing, she don't have the courage to do that, if she become queen will just be after sora and shiro unite the world, her only trouble will be the management of imanity and trade with other races, if things get out of hand sora and shirou will intervene :rolleyes:

[quigonkenny]

I think it's a safe bet that Steph wouldn't have much of a problem against most humans in a game, and would even be able to hold her own against Clammy if not for her elven assistance (at least before Clammy's reversi game with Sora).

I said: "Both the taiwan's published chinese version and the mainland china's version floating around the internet".

So you did. I missed that. Apologies.

[Craxuan]

Not even close. Notice how they mention Steph is just playing an "ordinary" poker game against the nobles.

I don't think Steph would stand a chance against the leaders of the other races. What she doesn't have is the ingenuity needed to change her country like Sora and Shiro do. However, she does have the ability to learn enough to maintain the country. She's good at practicing what is already established, not revolutionizing the country.

I said in the future, and you're seriously underestimating Steph. Haven't you realized that she wasn't even striving to beat Blank, but just picking up hints and cues as she follows them around through their journey, to already become this good?

It sounds easy when we say it like, "She's just winning a poker game against nobles". But when you realized that Blank left her to handle everything within Imanity - challenges, plots, three million people's livelihoods among other things, you'd realize exactly how much trust they have in her, and her abilities to live up to the challenge.

She's a girl, a teenager who hasn't even hit twenty years old, and she's already beating people who were supposed to excel in these kind of things for years. She turned from a naive little girl who cries when she gets a bad hand into a person whose gaming skill now likely trumps all three million Imanity citizens except for Kurami, and it wasn't even a year yet.

She's showing incredible growth, and as Blank put it, her weakness is also her greatest strength. Everybody underestimates her. She's an exceptional administrator, but no one actually believes that she can go toe-to-toe to the current rulers, and the anonymity is also her greatest strength. She's like a hidden Level 1 adventurer just gathering experience and equipment without anyone noticing to one day beat the crap out of the Demon King.

[The Green One]

Not to mention the latest chapter mentions how the nobles have been challenging her non stop so she's been playing countless games and she's destroyed them all, this most recently batch she did it rather viciously. She's rapidly on her way to becoming Imanity's number 3 when it comes to gaming strength. Time will tell how she stacks against other races but against other Imanity players she's obliterating them.

[LoweGear]

Blank finally defeats Tet, then suddenly...STEPH appears as the final boss?! :eek:

[Breimoon]

she will fight Shiro for Sora's virginity lol

[Shadow5YA]

I said in the future, and you're seriously underestimating Steph. Haven't you realized that she wasn't even striving to beat Blank, but just picking up hints and cues as she follows them around through their journey, to already become this good?

You're telling me she wasn't trying to beat them back when she tried Blackjack? Or when she made up that bird game? Or rock paper scissors?

And those are just official examples. Even when she didn't actually challenge them to a game, she unrelentingly complained and questioned whether what Sora was doing was right.

Steph picked up experience by trying so many times against them and failing. Praising her as if she's some genius absorbing tricks and strategies with little effort isn't exactly respecting her character either.

It sounds easy when we say it like, "She's just winning a poker game against nobles". But when you realized that Blank left her to handle everything within Imanity - challenges, plots, three million people's livelihoods among other things, you'd realize exactly how much trust they have in her, and her abilities to live up to the challenge.

She's a girl, a teenager who hasn't even hit twenty years old, and she's already beating people who were supposed to excel in these kind of things for years. She turned from a naive little girl who cries when she gets a bad hand into a person whose gaming skill now likely trumps all three million Imanity citizens except for Kurami, and it wasn't even a year yet.

She's showing incredible growth, and as Blank put it, her weakness is also her greatest strength. Everybody underestimates her. She's an exceptional administrator, but no one actually believes that she can go toe-to-toe to the current rulers, and the anonymity is also her greatest strength. She's like a hidden Level 1 adventurer just gathering experience and equipment without anyone noticing to one day beat the crap out of the Demon King.

Her strength is that she is can learn, not that she's some hidden gem in the making. When the majority of Imanity are illiterate, uneducated folk relying on the kingdom to make their lives better, and the rest are complacent nobles who are only concerned about keeping what is theirs, just having a person with an open mind would already be leagues better than the rest of Imanity. The nobles don't excel at anything.

[Craxuan]

Someone's having trouble understanding that setting their life's goal to beat Blank (Kurami) and trying to one-up Blank because she's temporarily frustrated (Steph) are 2 completely different things. It's also perplexing why you keep denying the fact that she has immense talent, and I never said she learned 'with little effort'. She's an administrator of the Imanity; there's no room for slacking.

And lastly, this is the part where I say, 'Don't underestimate Humanity'. Why don't you try and beat three million people on your own at JUST poker game within a year and come back to post the experience. Why don't you try NOT relying on your government to make your life better. Why do you THINK there are people who aren't 'keeping an open mind' ever since Blank became King, even though there's bound to be some in THREE MILLION PEOPLE who might be trying to change and improve themselves too - even your 'lousy nobles' - is mind boggling to say the least.

[quigonkenny]

She's a girl, a teenager who hasn't even hit twenty years old, and she's already beating people who were supposed to excel in these kind of things for years. She turned from a naive little girl who cries when she gets a bad hand into a person whose gaming skill now likely trumps all three million Imanity citizens except for Kurami, and it wasn't even a year yet.
I'd argue that her breakdown against Clammy was more due to the frustration at that match being unwinnable (thanks to Fii's magic), Steph's own inexperience at loss, and Clammy's master-class trolling, than any lack of skill on her part. Her "gaming skill" probably hasn't raised too much since the beginning of the series, though she's probably learned how to better read the situations she's in and more properly apply herself (except where 『　』—specifically Sora—are concerned). She's likely already Imanity's #3—and probably has been since the start of the series—since Clammy doesn't really fall on that list, for various reasons.

[Shadow5YA]

Someone's having trouble understanding that setting their life's goal to beat Blank (Kurami) and trying to one-up Blank because she's temporarily frustrated (Steph) are 2 completely different things.

Kurami's life goal is to beat Blank now? That's one interesting view of her character. Isn't volume 5 all about her finding her own goals, and her own playstyle separate from Sora's?

Have you considered that she also only tried to one-up Blank because she was temporarily frustrated at Sora taunting her, then risking the safety of the entire human race back then?

It's also perplexing why you keep denying the fact that she has immense talent, and I never said she learned 'with little effort'. She's an administrator of the Imanity; there's no room for slacking.

Even the novel's narrator (and Kurami after she gained his memories) state that Sora is an idiot whose level of skill can be reached by anyone who is willing to try.

"Talent" is being having the innate ability to excel with little practice required, like Fii's ability to cast six spells at once or Shiro being able to decipher multiple languages on her own.

Having mistaken preconceived notions as facts (e.g. believing the bird game was pure luck, thinking the Warbeasts ciuld read minds, thinking using math in card games is cheating, etc.) then having them forcibly proven wrong and learning from those mistakes is simple human nature.

Unless you're telling me learning from your mistakes takes talent...
And lastly, this is the part where I say, 'Don't underestimate Humanity'. Why don't you try and beat three million people on your own at JUST poker game within a year and come back to post the experience. Why don't you try NOT relying on your government to make your life better.

Several fallacies here.

1.) Talent is not a requirement for skill. I never said Steph was hopeless. Why do you believe talent is needed to accomplish great things? Isn't that underestimating humanity even more?

2.) I'm pretty sure Steph did not face three million people, or even 1/1000th of that number. It was stated that she was facing the Imanity nobles and feudal lords who wanted part of what Sora won from the Warbeasts because they believe they are entitled to it from their political position.

And considering Steph didn't even know how to card count and use probability in games despite graduating from a prestigious academy, what makes you think any of the other nobles are any less ignorant than how she used to be?

3.) I don't think my or your personal circumstances have anything to do with this, but if you want to bring up my stance on the series, I certainly did not buy that the Warbeasts could read minds as like Steph did, and I definitely didn't think that bird guessing game was random like she did when she never put a restriction on messing with the birds directly.

Steph's role is to play The Fool so that Sora can explain his methods to the audience. The reason why Steph fits that role so well is because she is not talented - her beliefs are exactly like any other common person's would be if they were completely new to games.

[Why do you THINK there are people who aren't 'keeping an open mind' ever since Blank became King, even though there's bound to be some in THREE MILLION PEOPLE who might be trying to change and improve themselves too - even your 'lousy nobles' - is mind boggling to say the least.

Because when Sora bet Imanity's race piece against the Warbeasts, not one person was willing to challenge him except for Kurami. Their lives were on the line, but they weren't willing to do anything about it except complain. Sora ignored them for a reason.

[Craxuan]

Yeah. Separate from Sora, and eventually beating him at a game?

Once.

Have you tried? People seem to forget that persistence and tolerance in hard-working is also in some ways a talent. Sure, anyone can get to his level if they tried - the problem is, can they try as hard and as long and as desperate as he is?

People forget to learn from their mistakes always. Some learned, and they forget. One thing this type of anime - and some people in real life - always forget is that 'learning from your mistakes' isn't as easy as you think, because nothing ever is.

What? Did I say talent is required for skill? And although unrelated, why do you think talent is not needed to accomplish great things? It's a component, even if someone might score zero at it.

Okay, try challenge say, 100 people - I'm being very kind here - at poker and boast a 100% win rate before you come back here. I'll give you a year. You don't even need to pretend the ease at Steph defeated the said nobles, or be distracted as she was worrying about Sora and Shiro. Oh, and it's your freedom to think that out of 100 people, everyone of them is ignorant enough to know nothing about card counting and probability and whatever else hidden tricks, when a DRUNK in Episode 1 knows to cheat to win a poker game.

Her role is to play The Fool, sure, and she's probably going to play it for as long as Blank is around. But the assumption that she will play a single role forever is as shallow as you can imagine.

Right, Kurami doesn't count as part of the three million Imanity. You pick the worst scenario possible to support your statement.

Imagine that you're an Imanity. You have a family to support, you have friends you care about. You're used to being oppressed and scorned upon for your entire life. You're practically The Slave of the Races unofficially. You worry about the next meal because your country's poor, and a single mistake might cost you your entire living. Are you willing to risk everything to beat a ruler who you know, by yourself, you cannot possibly beat? He beat an Imanity with the Elf's help. you know, even though the victory might be super suspicious. He might be the Warbeast's puppet you know.

Like seriously? It takes a courageous person to go through all this, consider his options, plan the ins and outs, gather up allies and still challenge Blank to a gamble in order to save their Race. That's Kurami, blessed with a natural tendency for tactics and manipulation, and lucky enough to know Fii The Elf as a friend and valuable ally since childhood. She also had no familial ties holding her down. She had what it takes to challenge Blank. And it still took her until the last moment to prepare - perhaps it was even intentional - before challenging Blank. Moreover, Blank never allowed a long enough time frame for anyone except Kurami to mount an uprising or counter attack.

Of course humanity are selfish cowards. 99% of them, especially when they've been oppressed for so long, will not try to struggle even with everything on the line. However, there will be 1% people who are smart and bold and open-minded enough to challenge. Unfortunately, out of that 1%, only one person had the right brains and the right friends and the right resources at the right time to do it - Kurami.

To use that kind of scenario and say, NAH, NONE OF THE THREE MILLION IMANITY ARE OPEN-MINDED is an idiot choice, plain and simple.

[Bakaizer]

can anyone tell me why is kurami hated in the novel?

[LoweGear]

can anyone tell me why is kurami hated in the novel?

She is? She mellows up considerably enough after the Reversi game that she becomes totally likeable.

[Netto Azure]

She is? She mellows up considerably enough after the Reversi game that she becomes totally likeable.

She becomes part of the team too undermining the Elven race from the inside. Which does help [Blank] a lot. :D

[quigonkenny]

can anyone tell me why is kurami hated in the novel?
Don't know where you're getting the idea that she's hated. Even before she joins sides with『　』, they never have anything against her personally, she's just an antagonist, and even then only temporarily. She means well, but is misguided, much like Steph was at first.

Huh... I just realized that (assuming there isn't one in the largely untranslated fourth volume) this series doesn't give us any real "bad guys" until the prologue of the fifth volume, and those two are promptly (and humorously) disposed of in the same chapter. There are more antagonists than you can shake a stick at, and a few shady characters that aren't really in the story long enough to count (the inn owner, the defrocked nobles, the highwaymen, etc.), but no real villains.

[c933103]

(btw see v5prologue for kurami x feel, don't think that's hated

[CptChaos]

Is there an actual backstory for the relationship between Kurami and Fil?

[Newprimus]

We should see some of that backstory next ep.

[deathcoy]

Is there an actual backstory for the relationship between Kurami and Fil?

Yea, interested in that too. But mostly interested in the Nilvalen family itself... How fucked up can the family be so much so that you are dead set on fighting against your entire race more than the other Exceeds.

Speaking of which, the elf's name is disturbing lol. Fii also happens to be my real name, which is also a very rare name and hearing my name being called in the anime and in the novel feels... weird... and i'm a guy too >.>

[c933103]

It had been announced previously that each BD/DVD volume release would come with a original novel story. And from what I read on the author's twitter, their total length added together would be longer than a usual volume of book.

[quigonkenny]

Speaking of which, the elf's name is disturbing lol. Fii also happens to be my real name, which is also a very rare name and hearing my name being called in the anime and in the novel feels... weird... and i'm a guy too >.>
Well, Fii is short for フィール (Romanized as "Fiiru") which is usually translated as "Feel", though I personally prefer "Fille" (though I've yet to pick up a naming pattern for the elves, unlike the angelic Flügel naming pattern).

[Ayulsa]

Well, Fii is short for フィール (Romanized as "Fiiru") which is usually translated as "Feel", though I personally prefer "Fille" (though I've yet to pick up a naming pattern for the elves, unlike the angelic Flügel naming pattern).

I don't think personal preference matters much when Japanese typically use フィール to write "Feel". There are companies and products that go by this name.

[Nvis]

Well, Fii is short for フィール (Romanized as "Fiiru") which is usually translated as "Feel", though I personally prefer "Fille" (though I've yet to pick up a naming pattern for the elves, unlike the angelic Flügel naming pattern).

I've heard "Fiel" and Fi(i) is her nickname by Kurami.

[quigonkenny]

I don't think personal preference matters much when Japanese typically use フィール to write "Feel". There are companies and products that go by this name.
Yes, but in English (not to mention other languages that use the Latin alphabet), you can have words that are pronounced the same but spelled differently. You can't really differentiate like that in Japanese, especially since all foreign words are spelled with katakana.

That's not even counting words that are pronounced differently in a language different from Japanese (or words from multiple different languages) but might be approximated into the same pronunciation (and thus spelling) in Japanese due to the l/r issue or the limits of a syllabic alphabet.

[Bakaizer]

Don't know where you're getting the idea that she's hated. Even before she joins sides with『　』, they never have anything against her personally, she's just an antagonist, and even then only temporarily. She means well, but is misguided, much like Steph was at first.

Huh... I just realized that (assuming there isn't one in the largely untranslated fourth volume) this series doesn't give us any real "bad guys" until the prologue of the fifth volume, and those two are promptly (and humorously) disposed of in the same chapter. There are more antagonists than you can shake a stick at, and a few shady characters that aren't really in the story long enough to count (the inn owner, the defrocked nobles, the highwaymen, etc.), but no real villains.

well a friend of mine told me that, . thanks now i'm clarified, since she is likable character.

also can i ask kurami's expressions/reactions when she got to know more about sora in the latest episode. what things has made her trust sora more, and what made her shocked.

[Seitsuki]

Going out on a bit of a tangent here and I know Kamiya technically isn't a native but seriously Japan is terrible at romanising 'foreign' names. Well, just dealing with foreign names in general.

'Clammy', yeesh. No wonder she's so disillusioned with humanity.

[Hell_ping]

Well, I think he's still better at coming up with foreign names than most of the LN authors out there.

And seriously, who put the 'pure love story' tag there...

[Seitsuki]

Me of course.

What, you don't agree? /Glare

[LoweGear]

It's a very wholesome love story indeed :nod:

[c933103]

According to fans translator in mainland china, currently the fans translation process of vol.6 is:
prologue released
ch1 proofreading
ch2 completed
ch3 translating
epilogue completed
but then they find out that there are already some for-profit unlicensed fans translation appear on mainland China's market...........................(which mean nowadays pirates even have their own translation team....(official traditional chinese trans to be come in around 3-4 months and official simplified chinese translation had already terminated ppublication due to political sensitiveness

[venshade]

I just recently watch the series, May I ask if the blank manage to defeat the warbeast?

[c933103]

A certain japanese popular science site figured out of what would happen when Kuuhaku removing mantle and outer core and crust away
(see http://ngnl.jp/news/20140606/index3.html for background
(because it'd only available on the site for few hours so i copied those content down below:

空想科学図書館通信

第309号 2014年6月2日号

『ノーゲーム・ノーライフ』で、
空はマントルを消しました。本当にやったら、どうなりますか？


　島根県のトコさんからの質問。いま大人気の『ノーゲーム・ノーライフ』は、ヒキコモリの兄妹が、ゲームが すべての世界へ召喚され、水を得た魚のように活躍する物語だ。
　兄の空は18歳。人の言葉や真意を読むことに長けすぎて疎まれた。妹の白は11歳。知能が高すぎて兄しか 理解者がいない。２人が生きられるのはネットゲームの世界だけ。『＿＿』という名で全勝を続け、都市伝説に なっていた。
　この兄妹が、人命も国境もゲームで決まる異世界「ディスボード」へ召還される。そこでは16の種族が『十 の盟約』に従って戦っていた。人間は「人類種」と呼ばれ、魔法の使用も感知もできないため、位階序列は最下 位。空と白はゲームに勝って人類種の国エルキアの王となり、位階序列六位「天翼種」のジブリールと戦う。種 目は「具象化しりとり」。言葉が指すものが、そこに存在しなければ出現し、存在すれば消滅する。この戦いの なかで、空はマントルその他を消したのだ。
　マントルを消すとは、空想科学界でも稀有な大蛮行。本当にやったらどうなる？




◆地球はどうなった？

　この作品はもともとラノベだが、ここでは状況がわかりやすいアニメ版で考えよう。空とジブリールは次のよ うな応酬を繰り広げた。『　』が空の言葉である。
『マントル』「ルーオオシ蛾」『外核』「クロック」『クリーチャー』「灯り」。ここで空と白は階段を駆け上 がってジャンプし『リソスフェア！』。直後、大地が消えて、人々は宇宙に浮かぶオレンジ色の球体に落下して いくのだった。
　いったい何が起きたのか？　地球の内部は次のようになっている。表面から地下５～60㎞までが地殻、２９ ００㎞までがマントル、５１００㎞までが外核、中心までが内核。また、マントル表面の岩盤と、地殻を合わせ てリソスフェア（プレート）と呼ぶ。　ディスボードのある惑星が、大きさも内部構造も地球と同じだとすると 、空が「マントル」と言った瞬間、地下数十㎞から２９００㎞までが空洞になったはず。続く「外核」で、空洞 は地下５１００㎞まで広がった。地球の半径は６４００㎞だから、これによって惑星は、中心にある半径１３０ ０㎞の内核と、表面の地殻だけになってしまった。
　この状況下、空と白は「リソスフェア」と唱えたわけだ。これで地殻が消えたため、兄妹の仲間のステフを加 えた４人は内核に落ちて行った……。
　そんなことをしたら、自分たちも死ぬのでは？と心配になるが、それこそが空と白が賭けた勝機。具象化しり とりには「続行不能になったら負け」というルールと「勝負がついたらすべて元どおり」という前提がある。空 と白は階段の上でジャンプしたから、内核へはジブリールのほうが先に衝突するだろう。その瞬間、空と白の勝 利が確定し、すべて元どおりというわけだ。


◆勝負はタッチの差

　リソスフェアが消えた後、４人はどうなるのだろうか。
　各層の重さは、内核が惑星の２％、外核が31％、マントルが66％、地殻が１％。すると、マントルが消え た瞬間、惑星の重さは３分の１になり、外核の消滅で30分の１になったはずである。すると、重力も小さくな る。外核が消えた時点で30分の１。ほぼ無重力になったわけで、体がふわっと浮く異様な感覚を味わったはず 。しかし全員、何の反応もしなかった。そこまで勝負に集中していたのか!?
　それより重要なのは、マントルと外核と地殻が消えたいま、惑星は重さが２％の内核だけになってしまったこ とだ。この結果、４人は惑星の重力の50分の１という微弱な力で内核に引き寄せられる。ただし、まっすぐ落 ちていくのではなく、それまで惑星の自転と同じ速度で運動していたので、細長い楕円軌道を描く。そして１時 間58分49秒後、内核にマッハ９・１で激突！
　この状況下、本件の最重要項目「激突の時間差」は、どれほどなのか？　階段＋ジャンプの高さは５ｍほどだ った。その場合、０・００９秒！　勝利を喜ぶヒマは、まったくありませんな。


◆暑くないのか

　だが、勝負はそんなに長くかからなかった。落下開始から４分26秒後、ジブリールがついに敗北を認めたの だ。
　これは、空たちにとって超幸運だった。地球の内核の表面温度は５千℃。ジブリールによれば、この惑星の内 核は３千℃らしいが、それでも猛烈な熱を受ける。計算すると、真夏の太陽の３００倍。暑くてたまらんどころ か、体の表面が８９０℃に加熱される！
　火傷に加えて心配なのは、脱水症だ。人間は、体の水分が２％失われると脱水症が現れる。４分26秒も内核 の熱を受けた４人は、すでに13％の水分を失っていたはずなのだ。これは幻覚や精神錯乱が起こるレベル。し りとりなんぞやっている場合ではない！
　本当にギリギリで勝利を収めた空と白。都市伝説になったのも、当然ですなあ。

http://i.imgur.com/s9hJqpc.jpg (http://imgur.com/s9hJqpc)
兄妹とジブリールは楕円軌道で落ちていく

[Breimoon]

EMH..... some kind of translation please? Even just a little summary would be fine.

[endarion88]

well i think the first question is

sora cancelled the mantle. if it was really done what would become/happen?

sorry been studing japanese only for 4 months too long for me to translate all ^.^'

[c933103]

Rough idea(powered by google translate):

What would really happen when you remove mantle?

(for simplicity, all content below are calculated based on the anime)


Inner structure of the earth: down below the ground 5-60 km there're crust,and deep into 2900 km it's mantle, with outer core extended 5100km downward, and the center part would be inner core. all rock above mantle plus crust would be called as lithosphere. in case the planet disboard located at have a roughly same structure as earth, then when sora is spoken, from several tens of km to 2900 km underground that would become total hollow. and when outer core is spoken, the hollow extended downward to 5100km. the radius of earth is 6400km and now it only have the inner core with 1300km radius and the surface crust left.

In this case they spelled lithosphere and crust removed and 4 of them fall down to the inner core...........

and by the premise of 勝負がついたらすべて元どおり and rule of 続行不能になったら負け they are thus win. It's what the original work said. (note:probably the hypernova part is neglected because the original question only asked about what would happen when the mantle is removed)

***The tiny difference in win and lose***

So let's see what would happen to those 4 of them after lithosphere removed.

mass of inner core would be 2% of the whole planet, outer core 31%, mantle 66%, crust 1%. thus, when you remove the mantle, planet's mass would become original's 1/3, and with the removal of outer core, its mass would be 1/30 of original. and gravity would be reduced by that much too, which mean 1/30 gravitational force by the time mantle gone. so it would become an environment with nearly no gravity and you should be have a strange sense of body floating gently by the time. but all people gave zero reaction to it. do you really concentrate on the game that much!?
And it come the important part that after removing mantle and outer core and crust the mass of the planet would only be 2% the original and they're attracted to the center of the planet by a very weak gravitational pull that's 1/50 of the original. and as they are originally in a motion that same as the planet's rotation, so they will not go directly down but instead they'd follow elongated elliptical orbit down to the inner core and would crash on it after 1 hours 58 minutes 49 seconds with a speed of 9.1 Mach!
And in the circumstances, what's the most important part to the question, different in time crash? Assume those stairs plus jump are 5 meter height in total, in this case that would be 0.009 secons! There are totally no time to celebrate the rejoice of winning.

***Isn't it hot***

but the game didn't take that long to end. 4mins26s after they start falling, Jibril finally admitted her lost.
actually, that's super lucky to our sora. surface tempeature of earth's inner core is 5000'C and Jibril said that planet's inner core is 3000'C which is extremely hot and that's 300 times more than sun in the mid summer. It'd be much more than too hot to bear, that would heat your body surface up to 890'C!
in addition to burnt, even more worrying would be dehydration. For human, 2% loss of water would already trigger dehydration symption, and with 4 min 26 s exposure to heat of inner cocre, they'd lost 13% of water that would already cause you to have hallucinations and mental disorder. And it is not the sceanrio suitable for you to continue shiritori!
It's really a close win for Sora and Shiro. Naturally they'd become urban legend.

(attached picture for their orbit

[Breimoon]

so that kind of win is kinda realistic? lol

[watisit]

It's a very wholesome love story indeed :nod:

I'd like to point you to my post several pages back when somebody else said the same thing: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=5087235#post5087235

I just recently watch the series, May I ask if the blank manage to defeat the warbeast?

They're protected by plot armor. In all-or-nothing matches like this they obviously win. And of course, because they never lose.

[Superbia]

How absurdly powerful are the gigants going to be if Jibril, who can split the ocean with only five percent of her power, would need about five of her comrades to take down one?

[Trung-t-rung]

How absurdly powerful are the gigants going to be if Jibril, who can split the ocean with only five percent of her power, would need about five of her comrades to take down one?

Titan class ? Like the one in Greek myth ? Typhon or Kronos I guess.

[Newprimus]

How absurdly powerful are the gigants going to be if Jibril, who can split the ocean with only five percent of her power, would need about five of her comrades to take down one?

Split the ocean? Where in the LN does that happen?

[c933103]

Split the ocean? Where in the LN does that happen?

Volume 4 end of chapter 2

[Craxuan]

I'm not sure which Gigants you're referring to, but Exceed Race Number 1 is said to have power rivalling the gods, and Jibril can crack Earth in half by herself.

[Newprimus]

Exceed #1 are the Old Deus, the old gods. The Gigants are rank #5.

[kazzuya13]

Did they skipped chapter 1 and are doing chapter 2 of the 4th volume already?

[c933103]

Did they skipped chapter 1 and are doing chapter 2 of the 4th volume already?

there are different people translating. each of them have different progress on their pre-registered chapter

[Nvis]

Exceed #1 are the Old Deus, the old gods. The Gigants are rank #5.

Dragons must be ranked 2 or 3. They needed an army of Flugel to take one down.

[Breimoon]

the machines exceed or whatever are they called, what rank are they? 6?

[Xacual]

Exceed Ranking is
1. Old Deus
2. Phantasma
3. Elementals
4. Dragonia
5. Gigants
6. Flugel
7. Elves
8. Dwarves
9. Not clarified yet
10. ExMachina
11. Not clarified yet
12. Dhampir
13. Lunar beings or whatever
14. Werebeasts
15. Mermaids
16. Imanity

I think the other two races are Fairy and Demonia but which rank 9 or 11 is which hasn't been said.

[kazzuya13]

When Tet was asked where he live he pointed at a piece that seems to look like the queen piece.
So I wonder if the old deuse has the queen piece.

[Xacual]

They don't. Flugel have the Queen Piece, Elves are a Rook, Werebeasts are a pawn and of course Imanity is the King. I think that's all the revealed ones so far.

[c933103]

For anyone that's read them, can we get synopses for volumes 4 and 5? We've had bits and pieces (vampire traps, masochistic mermaid baby mamas, etc.) but it would be nice to have more context.


For リク, "Riku" is probably right. "Rick" is usually spelled リック ("ri-kku").

Don't know about the other name (シュヴィ) but it would be romanicized (and pronounced) "shuvi" (it corresponds to the proper name "Chevit"). I'd suggest that it's maybe "Shu-V" given her machine nature, but the letter V is usually romanicized as a lengthened syllable (ヴィー as opposed to ヴィ), so probably not. Some names of other Exmachina (best fictional race name ever, BTW) might be helpful in getting a theme (ie: French-sounding names, names with letters and numbers, etc.).

Because V6 C1-2 web chinese translation had already come out, so now シュヴィ is proven to be a name given by リク to ler her sound like a human.
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p.s. just for anyone who's interested about V4C1, http://no-game-no-life.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:4313#2

[quigonkenny]

More of volume 4 chapter 1 translated. All I have to say is "As expected of Steph".

[Yye1]

Based on the illustrations of volume 5, there seems to be another fluegel, or am i wrong?

[Pablete]

9 Should be demonia as opposed to 6 that is Fluegel.

[Newprimus]

Based on the illustrations of volume 5, there seems to be another fluegel, or am i wrong?

Believe her name is Azuril. I'm also interested in that one illustration that seems to indicate Jibril going to into full-on battle mode.

[quigonkenny]

Believe her name is Azuril. I'm also interested in that one illustration that seems to indicate Jibril going to into full-on battle mode.
Probably supposed to be Azriel. Yet another variation on an archangel name, Azrael. Traditionally the angel of death in various Abrahamic religions (the name is from Islam, but never actually appears in the Koran), but perhaps known better as a Batman character with a really 90's costume.

9 Should be demonia as opposed to 6 that is Fluegel.
To my understanding, the only races that have appeared to this point in the novels are Imanity, Elves, Phantasma (seen but not interacted with), Dragons (ditto), Flügel, Werebeasts, Dhampirs, Sirens, Ex Machina, and Old Deus. And of course Tet. Elementals, Gigants, and Dwarves are also mentioned, but have not yet been encountered in-story, and apparently Demons as well, but not in any part I've read yet. That should leave two unmentioned, one of which I'd bet is Orcs, or some equivalent.

[c933103]

...volume 7 spoilers claimed to be source from japan with exact source and credibility:
Shiro connect with the central connective body of exmachina

[ramzax]

Anyone knows who:
the guy and the girl that look similar to Shiro and Sora are in this image in Volume 6?
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/thumb/e/eb/Ngnl_v6_illust_%2815%29.jpg/800px-Ngnl_v6_illust_%2815%29.jpg

[Breimoon]

...volume 7 spoilers claimed to be source from japan with exact source and credibility:
Shiro connect with the central connective body of exmachina


So as many predicted
she really is an ex machina?wonder how her ability worked in the normal world.

[watisit]

Anyone knows who:
the guy and the girl that look similar to Shiro and Sora are in this image in Volume 6?
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/thumb/e/eb/Ngnl_v6_illust_%2815%29.jpg/800px-Ngnl_v6_illust_%2815%29.jpg

Shu V, look around for discussions on vol 6

Believe her name is Azuril. I'm also interested in that one illustration that seems to indicate Jibril going to into full-on battle mode.

Yeah, that's her going full force using the same attack she used against Elven Gard "Heaven Strike"

[Newprimus]

So as many predicted
she really is an ex machina?wonder how her ability worked in the normal world.

How can she be an exmachina? I'm not as up-to-date on untranslated volumes, but both Shiro and Sora are from modern day Japan, are they not? re you suggesting that at least Shiro was originally from Disboard?

[c933103]

EDIT: with exact source and credibility UNKNOWN
(not sure why i move the word into separate line....

[Xacual]

To be honest, it sounds fake to me. Just someone playing up ideas after volume 6.

[quigonkenny]

So as many predicted
she really is an ex machina?wonder how her ability worked in the normal world.
Not necessarily. We don't know that one absolutely has to be Ex Machina to do that (whatever "connecting with the central connective body of exmachina" is supposed to entail). More likely it has to do with Shiro simply being hella smart, or with her being the reincarnation of the Ex Machina Shu-V, much as Sora is the reincarnation of Riku and Steph is the descendant (and likely reincarnation) of Dola. Hardly a surprising development considering their resemblances.

[Breimoon]

How can she be an exmachina? I'm not as up-to-date on untranslated volumes, but both Shiro and Sora are from modern day Japan, are they not? re you suggesting that at least Shiro was originally from Disboard?

in v 6
there are illustrations of exmachina shiro from the war times. Seems like mc could be reincarnations of those two in the illustrations since they really resemble each other

[bladestorm91]

Volume 4 chapter 1 updated. I do remember someone saying that the mermaids were stupid, but never did I expect for the whole race to literally be too dumb to live.

[Netto Azure]

It took a few reads to understand what happened...but Jeez, here you had the Dhampirs willing to be the male reproducers...and the mermaids went and messed that up by forcing them to find OTHER races to mate with.

Jeez.

[Nvis]

So as many predicted
she really is an ex machina?wonder how her ability worked in the normal world.

I'll shoot that down because Jibril did not sense Element in Shiro and Sora, so they can't be from this game world.

They are "unknowns".

[Breimoon]

HAHHAH mermaids really stupid,the queen believing an old fairy tale about sleeping princess and the prince coming to save her hahahahha

[Craxuan]

Actually, the mermaids are damn smart, and the blood clan - particularly one person - even smarter. You just haven't finished reading yet.

[R.LocK]

What a shocking twist! :heh:

[Breimoon]

Hell how manyi twists there are with them? Lol cant wait to see it.

[silvercover]

can anyone else access bakatsuki? I cant seem to go there...

[c933103]

can anyone else access bakatsuki? I cant seem to go there...

I can't access it since ~20 hours ago. probably something in maintenance?

[silvercover]

its actually been that way since 3 days ago...
hopefully their alright, otherwise if we lose all of those...

oh nvm, forgot that they had a PDF download option, so they just reupload those. it becomes a problem for the unfinished ones though...

[c933103]

their forum also down...

[zack sager]

can anyone else access bakatsuki? I cant seem to go there...nope its been down since yesterday morning

[kazzuya13]

It is already up and running

[quigonkenny]

It goes down from time to time. Seems like it happens more often when there's more activity, so since (at least) two of their current projects have animes airing right now, it's not surprising.

BTW Volume 4 chapter 3 is up.

[LoweGear]

*finally reads volume 4*

.... Steph became H4XX :eek:

[RDNexus]

its actually been that way since 3 days ago...
hopefully their alright, otherwise if we lose all of those...

oh nvm, forgot that they had a PDF download option, so they just reupload those. it becomes a problem for the unfinished ones though...
PDF DDL Option? Link, please, even if through PM? It might come in handy to me...

[silvercover]

PDF DDL Option? Link, please, even if through PM? It might come in handy to me...

it should be up there above the beginning of the series' volumes... maybe NGNL hasnt gotten PDF files yet?

anyways, I found it in the cubeXcursedXcurious translations:
http://baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=CubexCursedxCurious#The_C3_series_ by_Minase_Hazuki

for the PDF downloads:
http://www.mediafire.com/?6a6tgxa6o18vk

aaand turns out NGNL does have PDF downloads... they must have forgotten to post it in their page.

[GreyZone]

So aside from "don't be such a Steph" we also got "don't be such a sirene" now?

[Breimoon]

seems like both vampires and sirenes are liing to Sora and he got angry. The cheat is fake (and no i don't think it is just Ino behaving like a pervert) and so he got angry and had Jibril destroy the game? How does Miko relate to that though? Maybe she helped jibril somehow?

[LoweGear]

So aside from "don't be such a Steph" we also got "don't be such a sirene" now?

Steph may be on the way to gaining Blank's respect, judging from how awesome she is in Volume 4.

I mean, she just pulled being an ikemen perfectly enough to not only get her own harem of schoolgirls, but also get the information Sora needed.

Watch out Blank, be careless and Steph will trump you someday for everything you've done to her :D

seems like both vampires and sirenes are liing to Sora and he got angry. The cheat is fake (and no i don't think it is just Ino behaving like a pervert) and so he got angry and had Jibril destroy the game? How does Miko relate to that though? Maybe she helped jibril somehow?

I was under the impression from Sora and Shiro's supposed confidence at the end that everything, including his act of asking if there's a man better than Ino, to be part of the game plan, and that Plum just revealed the last piece that Blank needed to win the game and/or expose the Siren's and Dhampir's true intentions, with the destruction of the game by Jibril's spell being planned ahead of time.

[Awrya]

After reading the new chapter, I get the feeling that everything was a trap?
Especially since Jibril shattered the Dhampir spell on Sora's command.
The Dhampirs used the fact that the Seiren Queen sealed herself to plead to the newly established Werebeast - Imanity alliance to "rescue" the Dhampir - Seiren alliance. Making the sole representatives Sora, Shiro and Miko participate in the game by betting their everything, which should also include their rights as the sole representative of their respective race and their race piece, and intentionally messing up the Heart+ (Love Cheat) command to make the Queen reject any potential suitors, Amira will gain the rights of Imanity and Werebeast.
As only male Dhampirs are restricted to sucking Seiren blood, if Amira allows female Dhampirs to suck the blood of her newly acquired possessions (races), Dhampirs can grow in strength and maybe lure other races into Oceande.

In addition, since Amira is the sole representative of the Seiren right now, she could potentially also have the right to mate and produce offspring, she could mate with any male human or werebeast.
This is just speculation on my part.

[kazzuya13]

Steph may be on the way to gaining Blank's respect, judging from how awesome she is in Volume 4.

I mean, she just pulled being an ikemen perfectly enough to not only get her own harem of schoolgirls, but also get the information Sora needed.

Watch out Blank, be careless and Steph will trump you someday for everything you've done to her :D


I think more than respect she gained Sora's animosity cause she is what Sora detest and yearned to be...."A Raijuu".


So a hybrid is only possible for Flugel. Just imagine a flugel with the street smart of Sora.

[GreyZone]

I think more than respect she gained Sora's animosity cause she is what Sora detest and yearned to be...."A Raijuu".
[...]

You just reminded me of how someone posted on this forum that "Stephanie is the reverse case of []", i.e. while [] comes from our world, they prefer disboard. In contrast Stephanie would probably be much more suited to live in our world rather than in disboard.

[Craxuan]

Damn. The latest episode just gave me a stark realization that both Shiro and Sora are so much happier here. Not just them being in Disboard enjoying the sheer fun of playing games, but just the fact that they are born human and together alone.

Volume 6, the book that changed everything. I think I finally understand why Tet singled out Blank in the first place.

I foresee that No Game No Life has the potential of turning dark in the future, really. It still is going to be a lighthearted and happy story - otherwise, it won't be justice for Sora and Shiro - but seriously, wow. The revelations are stunning - I can't wait for Volume 6 to be made anime, even though I'm sure at the fastest it will be out at Season 3.

[quigonkenny]

I can't wait for Volume 6 to be made anime, even though I'm sure at the fastest it will be out at Season 3.
I would disagree. If they do another 12-13 episode season like this one, Volume 6 should close that season like Volume 3 is closing this one.

[watisit]

After reading the new chapter, I get the feeling that everything was a trap?
Especially since Jibril shattered the Dhampir spell on Sora's command.
The Dhampirs used the fact that the Seiren Queen sealed herself to plead to the newly established Werebeast - Imanity alliance to "rescue" the Dhampir - Seiren alliance. Making the sole representatives Sora, Shiro and Miko participate in the game by betting their everything, which should also include their rights as the sole representative of their respective race and their race piece, and intentionally messing up the Heart+ (Love Cheat) command to make the Queen reject any potential suitors, Amira will gain the rights of Imanity and Werebeast.
As only male Dhampirs are restricted to sucking Seiren blood, if Amira allows female Dhampirs to suck the blood of her newly acquired possessions (races), Dhampirs can grow in strength and maybe lure other races into Oceande.

In addition, since Amira is the sole representative of the Seiren right now, she could potentially also have the right to mate and produce offspring, she could mate with any male human or werebeast.
This is just speculation on my part.

To all who said that Plum and the mermaids are lying. Remember that the werebeasts can detect lies. Although ch 1 isn't completely up yet Plum will repeat her statements in front of Miko, the most powerful user of the Blood ability. Lies are impossible

Awrya, your first part is right. The vamp-mer alliance wanted to get all the rights to both werebeasts and imanity to secure food/breeding supply. However they did not cheat on the love command nor the spell. Both works. They could not lie about that as I mentioned before.

The thing is, the fairy tale that inspired the mermaid queen? The one about the princess who had everything, who in the end supposedly fell for a poor man who offered everything of himself? That was like the kiddy version of Grimms Fairy Tales. In the actual story she was killed by the guy who came to reject her. And so the actual condition of waking her up was to reject her utterly, not to fall in love with her. So the love spell was useless in the first place even though it works.

Oh and Plum is a male

[Craxuan]

The warbeasts are basically real life lie detectors - they can see the slightest changes of your heart rate or blood pressure or cold sweat etc, but that is all. They don't detect lies; they detect potential signs that might mean that their targets are lying. They also have a high failure rate because our own lie detectors fail often enough.

[watisit]

The warbeasts are basically real life lie detectors - they can see the slightest changes of your heart rate or blood pressure or cold sweat etc, but that is all. They don't detect lies; they detect potential signs that might mean that their targets are lying. They also have a high failure rate because our own lie detectors fail often enough.

Please do not bring your RL into our fantasy. Thanks.

[lokoxDZz]

*finally reads volume 4*

.... Steph became H4XX :eek:

What do you mean by steph being H4XX? :O

[kazzuya13]

To all who said that Plum and the mermaids are lying. Remember that the werebeasts can detect lies. Although ch 1 isn't completely up yet Plum will repeat her statements in front of Miko, the most powerful user of the Blood ability. Lies are impossible

Awrya, your first part is right. The vamp-mer alliance wanted to get all the rights to both werebeasts and imanity to secure food/breeding supply. However they did not cheat on the love command nor the spell. Both works. They could not lie about that as I mentioned before.

The thing is, the fairy tale that inspired the mermaid queen? The one about the princess who had everything, who in the end supposedly fell for a poor man who offered everything of himself? That was like the kiddy version of Grimms Fairy Tales. In the actual story she was killed by the guy who came to reject her. And so the actual condition of waking her up was to reject her utterly, not to fall in love with her. So the love spell was useless in the first place even though it works.

Oh and Plum is a male
You forgot that they are underwater. Which makes the Werebeast senses dull. So it is possible to lie to them.

[watisit]

You forgot that they are underwater. Which makes the Werebeast senses dull. So it is possible to lie to them.

That point would be covered in vol 5. And Plum was on land when she talked.

[Craxuan]

Please do not bring your RL into our fantasy. Thanks.

Please don't be so dumb that you think the Warbeast can detect every lie, because that's literally mind reading and the Warbeast CAN'T READ MINDS. Also, the concept of truth and lies are vague as hell in the first place, so you're a complete idiot if you think that you can tell the differences just from body reaction alone.

Here's a simple example: I mention that someone's family is missing, and the suspect fidgets and says he doesn't know anything about it. Oh, so he's lying! A Warbeast can prove it that his heart rate increased or whatever!

Or, maybe the poor guy is just scared and worried when you told him that his family went missing, and it is serious enough that the police brought him in for questioning. So yes, please do not bring your IDIOCY to my face, I cannot stand but want to spit on it. Thank you.

[watisit]

Please don't be so dumb that you think the Warbeast can detect every lie, because that's literally mind reading and the Warbeast CAN'T READ MINDS. Also, the concept of truth and lies are vague as hell in the first place, so you're a complete idiot if you think that you can tell the differences just from body reaction alone.

Here's a simple example: I mention that someone's family is missing, and the suspect fidgets and says he doesn't know anything about it. Oh, so he's lying! A Warbeast can prove it that his heart rate increased or whatever!

Or, maybe the poor guy is just scared and worried when you told him that his family went missing, and it is serious enough that the police brought him in for questioning. So yes, please do not bring your IDIOCY to my face, I cannot stand but want to spit on it. Thank you.

They can only detect if somebody is lying, how that person lied is entirely up to their own speculation. That's how it is set up in the story. Werebeasts are able to detect even the slightest change in the body which might indicate a lie. And they are good enough at it to earn a reputation of mind-reading.

And why are you so insistent on the lie detector example and how it won't stand as official proof? As I said, this is nor RL, there is no need to compare RL lie detectors and the werebeasts.

[Shadow5YA]

Please don't be so dumb that you think the Warbeast can detect every lie, because that's literally mind reading and the Warbeast CAN'T READ MINDS. Also, the concept of truth and lies are vague as hell in the first place, so you're a complete idiot if you think that you can tell the differences just from body reaction alone.

Here's a simple example: I mention that someone's family is missing, and the suspect fidgets and says he doesn't know anything about it. Oh, so he's lying! A Warbeast can prove it that his heart rate increased or whatever!

Or, maybe the poor guy is just scared and worried when you told him that his family went missing, and it is serious enough that the police brought him in for questioning. So yes, please do not bring your IDIOCY to my face, I cannot stand but want to spit on it. Thank you.

That's a terrible straw man's argument. Who said that Warbeasts judge a lie based on heart rate alone? People don't even do this in real life.

No one ever said they could detect every lie either (Sora even proved they couldn't when they first met), so I don't know who you're trying to talk down to.

[Netto Azure]

What do you mean by steph being H4XX? :O

Steph's social skills and being a riajuu.

>Ino was still kowtowing at the school gates.

:heh:

[Craxuan]

That's a terrible straw man's argument. Who said that Warbeasts judge a lie based on heart rate alone? People don't even do this in real life.

No one ever said they could detect every lie either (Sora even proved they couldn't when they first met), so I don't know who you're trying to talk down to.

This is the last time I'm going to reply you on this subject, because obviously you somehow by some miracle miss the or whatever part of my sentence.

[quigonkenny]

Putting forward the Werebeasts as absolutely infallible lie detectors is a mistake. It's already been proven that they're not, since Sora and Shiro were able to fool Ino's readings. And I don't think anyone was seriously "bringing RL into it", only noting that our lie detectors are fallible as well. Any lie detector that depends upon the subject's reactions is fallible, if the subject knows and is able to control which reactions betray a lie, or if the detector itself can be fouled up. Both could be the case here. Pathological liars (assuming that's what we're dealing with) often don't feel that they are lying, and thus would not show any physiological signs, and both the underwater environment and the Sirens' "attraction" ability should be able to blunt even a Werebeast's senses to some degree.

[RDNexus]

it should be up there above the beginning of the series' volumes... maybe NGNL hasnt gotten PDF files yet?

anyways, I found it in the cubeXcursedXcurious translations:
http://baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=CubexCursedxCurious#The_C3_series_ by_Minase_Hazuki

for the PDF downloads:
http://www.mediafire.com/?6a6tgxa6o18vk

aaand turns out NGNL does have PDF downloads... they must have forgotten to post it in their page.
Oh... That one... I already knew about it too, but since it barely has been updated since the first time I found it, a couple of months ago or something like that, I thought there could be some other, more up-to-date, place with all B-T LN PDFs...

[kazzuya13]

Putting forward the Werebeasts as absolutely infallible lie detectors is a mistake. It's already been proven that they're not, since Sora and Shiro were able to fool Ino's readings. And I don't think anyone was seriously "bringing RL into it", only noting that our lie detectors are fallible as well. Any lie detector that depends upon the subject's reactions is fallible, if the subject knows and is able to control which reactions betray a lie, or if the detector itself can be fouled up. Both could be the case here. Pathological liars (assuming that's what we're dealing with) often don't feel that they are lying, and thus would not show any physiological signs, and both the underwater environment and the Sirens' "attraction" ability should be able to blunt even a Werebeast's senses to some degree.

Sora and Shiro didn't lie however they didn't also tell the truth. For example if they say they will win and they read at as the truth however they don't know the process. Simple as that.

[MonkeyDude]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the people aware that the Werebeasts aren't actually mind-readers should only be the ones present during the challenge against the Eastern Union right? Even if the world knew they couldn't read minds, they should still be unaware of their lie-detector ability. Not really the kind of intel you would leak about your potential allies.

How does one prepare themselves against something they don't know about? [Information] seems to be one of the key points NGNL hammers home and the Dhamphirs/Sirens shouldn't be equipped with this piece of data. Yes the Werebeast's lie detector ability isn't absolute, but so far that has only been shown against those that are well equipped and prepared to defend against it. Until shown otherwise, not having the [information] and the proper countermeasures due to said [information] means you are wholly susceptible to the [cheat].

Obviously the [cheat] in this case is the lie detector ability.

Oh and I don't think calling people dumb and idiots are appreciated around these parts. Might wanna tone down the superiority complex and vitriol.

[quigonkenny]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the people aware that the Werebeasts aren't actually mind-readers should only be the ones present during the challenge against the Eastern Union right? Even if the world knew they couldn't read minds, they should still be unaware of their lie-detector ability. Not really the kind of intel you would leak about your potential allies.

How does one prepare themselves against something they don't know about? [Information] seems to be one of the key points NGNL hammers home and the Dhamphirs/Sirens shouldn't be equipped with this piece of data. Yes the Werebeast's lie detector ability isn't absolute, but so far that has only been shown against those that are well equipped and prepared to defend against it. Until shown otherwise, not having the [information] and the proper countermeasures due to said [information] means you are wholly susceptible to the [cheat].

Obviously the [cheat] in this case is the lie detector ability.

Oh and I don't think calling people dumb and idiots are appreciated around these parts. Might wanna tone down the superiority complex and vitriol.
Clammy and Fii do already know, and the only other ones witnessing the challenge are humans, all of whom have no reason to assume Werebeasts don't read minds. In fact what they've seen so far would probably only "confirm" that opinion.

[Breimoon]

Assasin vampires can hide themselves given enough magic. Even jibril has an hard time detecting them [if not on guard]

[quigonkenny]

Assasin vampires can hide themselves given enough magic. Even jibril has an hard time detecting them [if not on guard]
Which has little to do with the intended audience for the challenge, which was the point of discussion. I'm sure Tet and a whole slew of Old Deus were probably listening in as well, not that it really matters...

[Newprimus]

So apparently the end of episode 12 is an event that happened at the end of volume 6 of the LN. Can someone explain it to me?

[Sixth]

About the end of episode 12, what just happened? Did the fox girl summoned the Old Deus? or she is one of them or....?

I don't understand about it. Someone care to explain this for me?

[Om Nerabdator]

About the end of episode 12, what just happened? Did the fox girl summoned the Old Deus? or she is one of them or....?

I don't understand about it. Someone care to explain this for me?

i would also appreciate some spoilers on that plz

[c933103]

About the end of episode 12, what just happened? Did the fox girl summoned the Old Deus? or she is one of them or....?

I don't understand about it. Someone care to explain this for me?

Wikipedia, article on Miko:
Miko traditions date back to the ancient Jōmon era[1] of Japanese history, when female shamans[citation needed] who would go into “trances and convey the words of the gods”[citation needed] (the kami), an act comparable with “the pythia or sibyl in Ancient Greece.”[20]

That's probably what Sora and Shiro suspecting and our miko does act according to it.

[frodonk]

blank wondered if the title "shine priestess" held any meaning, i.e. whether she was a priestess of a god or something.

turns out she was a priestess of a god, more specifically an old deus. what wasn't shown was whether blank challenged the old deus to a game.

the fox girl channeled the old deus, she didn't become one or is one of them.

turns out, the reason why the eastern federation gained huge advances under miko-sama is because an old deus is backing her up, which ties up nicely with the "everyone gets help from a different higher ranked race" subplot that started with kurami.

once again, there's no loose threads, I really love this series.

[Newprimus]

Wikipedia, article on Miko:
Miko traditions date back to the ancient Jōmon era[1] of Japanese history, when female shamans[citation needed] who would go into “trances and convey the words of the gods”[citation needed] (the kami), an act comparable with “the pythia or sibyl in Ancient Greece.”[20]

That's probably what Sora and Shiro suspecting and our miko does act according to it.

Some of us do know what a miko is. What I want to know is the part of volume 6 where this apparently happens. So after Tet's story, Miko suddenly up and manifests an old god?

[c933103]

well, since vol.6 hadn't fully translated in chinese so I can't say for sure, but with my limited japanese knowledge, the anime ending is an adaption of second half of the vol.6 closing talk.

[RDNexus]

Some of us do know what a miko is. What I want to know is the part of volume 6 where this apparently happens. So after Tet's story, Miko suddenly up and manifests an old god?

well, since vol.6 hadn't fully translated in chinese so I can't say for sure, but with my limited japanese knowledge, the anime ending is an adaption of second half of the vol.6 closing talk.

Vol06? You don't mean Vol03?

[Newprimus]

Vol06? You don't mean Vol03?

Everything up to the whole Miko channeling an old god is more or less from volume 3. That last bit is pulled from volume 6 apparently.

[c933103]

Vol06? You don't mean Vol03?

yes volume 06

[RDNexus]

Ah! I kinda got that idea from their posts but thanks for the confirmation.

[jandkas]

I'm sorry but I just came from the anime, and I am so lost. Who is past Sora and Shiro? Are the robots on Vol. 6's illustrations?

[Netto Azure]

I'm sorry but I just came from the anime, and I am so lost. Who is past Sora and Shiro? Are the robots on Vol. 6's illustrations?

Just think of it this way. Shiro and Sora (plus Steph) are reincarnations of the people who helped Tet end the war to become the One True God.

[quigonkenny]

I'm sorry but I just came from the anime, and I am so lost. Who is past Sora and Shiro? Are the robots on Vol. 6's illustrations?
Needless to say, spoilers follow, and take this all with a grain of salt, because this is only what I've gathered from this forum and the Japanese Wikipedia page (via Google Translate):
Riku Dola -- the "Past Sora" from the pics. Has white hair, and presumably red eyes, like Shiro. Leader of a small human village.

Shuvi Dola -- the "Past Shiro" from the pics. Has dark hair and eyes, like Sora. A member of the Ex Machina, a race of sapient machines in human form (Exceed Rank 10). Wife of Riku. "Shuvi" was a "more human" name given to her by Sora. Her original name is something along the lines of "207th Üc Pr-type 4f57t9" (Üc=Über-cluster, Pr=Proofer).

Korone Dola -- the "Past Steph" in a couple of the pics. Unlike Riku and Shuvi, she looks to be basically identical to her (presumed) reincarnation Steph. Older sister-in-law/stepsister (spelled the same in Japanese) of Riku, and the eventual first Elkian Queen of imanity, after the war. Steph's direct ancestor.

Due to the similar eye and hair colors, Shuvi and Korone look quite alike at first glance in some of the pics, so keep in mind that they share the...erm...assets of their present analogues, and you can tell them apart quickly.
Anyone who's read a translation of or more detailed notes on Volume 6 feel free to correct or expand on this. I'm particularly curious to know if there is confirmation one way or the other on whether Korone is Riku's step-sister or sister-in-law. My assumption is it's the former, but you never know.

[jandkas]

Needless to say, spoilers follow, and take this all with a grain of salt, because this is only what I've gathered from this forum and the Japanese Wikipedia page (via Google Translate):
Riku Dola -- the "Past Sora" from the pics. Has white hair, and presumably red eyes, like Shiro. Leader of a small human village.

Shuvi Dola -- the "Past Shiro" from the pics. Has dark hair and eyes, like Sora. A member of the Ex Machina, a race of sapient machines in human form (Exceed Rank 10). Wife of Riku. "Shuvi" was a "more human" name given to her by Sora. Her original name is something along the lines of "207th Üc Pr-type 4f57t9" (Üc=Über-cluster, Pr=Proofer).

Korone Dola -- the "Past Steph" in a couple of the pics. Unlike Riku and Shuvi, she looks to be basically identical to her (presumed) reincarnation Steph. Older sister-in-law/stepsister (spelled the same in Japanese) of Riku, and the eventual first Elkian Queen of imanity, after the war. Steph's direct ancestor.

Due to the similar eye and hair colors, Shuvi and Korone look quite alike at first glance in some of the pics, so keep in mind that they share the...erm...assets of their present analogues, and you can tell them apart quickly.
Anyone who's read a translation of or more detailed notes on Volume 6 feel free to correct or expand on this. I'm particularly curious to know if there is confirmation one way or the other on whether Korone is Riku's step-sister or sister-in-law. My assumption is it's the former, but you never know.

So Riku is part of the Royal Family? And wasn't Ex Machina Rank 2, 2nd only to the Old Deus. And this was still during the war between all races right? In other words before Tet.

[Awrya]

So Riku is part of the Royal Family? And wasn't Ex Machina Rank 2, 2nd only to the Old Deus. And this was still during the war between all races right? In other words before Tet.

Phantasma are Exceed Rank 2.

[quigonkenny]

So Riku is part of the Royal Family? And wasn't Ex Machina Rank 2, 2nd only to the Old Deus. And this was still during the war between all races right? In other words before Tet.
That's one of the reasons why I'm wondering whether he and Korone are step-siblings or in-laws. There was no royal family back then. There was no Elkia back then, at least not as a kingdom. Not until the end of the war. All I know for sure is that Korone was the first Queen of Elkia, and an ancestor of Steph.

And the Ex Machina are rank 10. The Wikipedia page is quite clear on that, and something like that is unlikely to be wrong in the book's native language. (The ranking of a couple of races on the English Wiki page when they're unranked on the Japanese page, however...)

[Nihgthawk]

So I just read chapter four of volume 4 and I have a question about the end of the chapter. Which is the 3rd race that Sora said that they could save?
Also does anyone have a basic run down of what happens in volume five and six?

[Hidfe]

So I just read chapter four of volume 4 and I have a question about the end of the chapter. Which is the 3rd race that Sora said that they could save?

Not safe but include in the alliance. It’s the Flügel

Also does anyone have a basic run down of what happens in volume five and six?
Someone did a good summary of Volume 5:
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?mangaid=48399

[quigonkenny]

Not safe but include in the alliance. It’s the Flügel
Ah! I knew that supposed "throwaway comment" about Plum not being able to take essence from a Flügel was more than what it seemed...

[Nihgthawk]

Someone did a good summary of Volume 5:
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?mangaid=48399[/QUOTE]

Thank you, now is there any more news about her?http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/thumb/1/11/NGNL5_369.jpg/450px-NGNL5_369.jpg

[silenceblade]

Sora said "No one will die it's only a game" but if it was not a "game" but "war" could he still say it? Seeing how blank lost in their world could they have survive in the ancient war the answer is no. In the end I feel Sora is only talk, well what Steph said about "abandoning the minority to save the majority is wrong" is definitely naive. While Jibril who killed countless people in enjoyment actually want the world to be united in peace?

[GreyZone]

Sora said "No one will die it's only a game" but if it was not a "game" but "war" could he still say it? Seeing how blank lost in their world could they have survive in the ancient war the answer is no. In the end I feel Sora is only talk, well what Steph said about "abandoning the minority to save the majority is wrong" is definitely naive. While Jibril who killed countless people in enjoyment actually want the world to be united in peace?

The ancient war is irrelevant, since right now the oaths are in effect. So I don't see the point in saying that "Sora is only talk". It's not like we talk about ideas in the present being "only talk", because it would be impossible during World War 2.

[amigos]

spoiler splease:
1.what does happen here:
https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=File:NGNL5_350.jpg
2.isn't plum in the palm of their hand(shiro&sora),or does he/she still have something up his sleeve?
furthermore,is he(?),the last male and/or his race representative?

[quigonkenny]

spoiler splease:
1.what does happen here:
https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=File:NGNL5_350.jpg
2.isn't plum in the palm of their hand(shiro&sora),or does he/she still have something up his sleeve?
furthermore,is he(?),the last male and/or his race representative?
Plum's true nature is as-yet unrevealed in the translated portion. No mention of the Dhampir racial representative is mentioned so far, either. But yeah, he's a trap.

Ackbar.jpg

[Netto Azure]

Pfft. I was having a problem with Plum's gender because of all the back and forth use in pronouns. XD

[Breimoon]

Just finished reading spoilers, cant wait for next volume xD by the way thanks for the translations+spoilers!!

[c933103]

Pfft. I was having a problem with Plum's gender because of all the back and forth use in pronouns. XD

In entire volume 4, female pronoun is used when pointing to Plum.

[Bakaizer]

can anyone tell me how strong jibril is and her abilities

[Newprimus]

can anyone tell me how strong jibril is and her abilities

IIRC she uses 5% of her power in a single strike that parts the ocean all the way to the floor in a line that extends about 300 kilometers long from the shore.

That's one instance.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Where has the Anime stopped at? Looking at the titles I can't tell if it's Vol 3 or 4.

[Breimoon]

it is volume 3 with part of vol 6.

[Chaos2Frozen]

How much part? Just the after credits bit with Miko (yea I heard) ? Negligible?

[omega253]

How much part? Just the after credits bit with Miko (yea I heard) ? Negligible?

Only the part with the Old Deus possessing Miko is from Volume 6. Everything else is just Volumes 1-3.

[quigonkenny]

How much part? Just the after credits bit with Miko (yea I heard) ? Negligible?
Can't say for sure exactly how much is from volume 6, but the only part after Miko agreed to both sides winning that was in volume 3 was the bit with Fii and Kurami. Also, in the novel, he didn't mention that he had given Elven Gard bad information until after Miko conceded the tie. Except for maybe a line or two here and there, all the rest is either new or presumably part of volume 6.

[kazzuya13]

Can't say for sure exactly how much is from volume 6, but the only part after Miko agreed to both sides winning that was in volume 3 was the bit with Fii and Kurami. Also, in the novel, he didn't mention that he had given Elven Gard bad information until after Miko conceded the tie. Except for maybe a line or two here and there, all the rest is either new or presumably part of volume 6.

They mentioned it in volume 3 that they alter Fii's memory in order for Elven Gard to lose if they challenged they Werebeast.

I can't wait for volume 5 where they will finally conquer their first "Life" being race. Namely the Flugel.
They already conquer:
Imanity = volume 1
WereBeaste = volume 3
Seirins, Dhapnir, and Flugel = Volume 5
I wonder which race are they gonna conquer next.
I think it's gonna be awhile before they conquer Elven Gard because he leave the conquest in the hands of Kurami and Fii. And when it is totally crippled he will challenged them for an easy win.

[quigonkenny]

They mentioned it in volume 3 that they alter Fii's memory in order for Elven Gard to lose if they challenged they Werebeast.
I know. I'm just saying that in the novel they didn't mention that until after Miko conceded the tie. In the anime, they told her before.

[kazzuya13]

I know. I'm just saying that in the novel they didn't mention that until after Miko conceded the tie. In the anime, they told her before.

Really?. I thought they told her after she conceded. I'm gonna watch it again for clarification.

[GreyZone]

So would it be plausible to claim [ ] conquers a race or more in odd volumes (1,3,5)?

[c933103]

vol4 completed

[dracorax]

Will the translator of volume 4 also translate volume 5?

[GreyZone]

Will the translator of volume 4 also translate volume 5?

There are 2 active tranlators right now, Venis and Maine12329. Venis already did the prologue for vol. 5 at an earlier point and seems to have generally have quite a fast pace at translating. Maine12329 needed 1 month for half of vol. 4 chapter 1 (not taking other possible translation project into account), but in the last 2/3 days finished the 2nd half in 1 go, while also finishing the second half of the vol. 6 prologue.

Compared to other Light Novels, which are only translated as a side-project (which is still infinite-times better than nothing! So don't be rude to these tranlators! No one wants PROcess to drop Shinmai Maou!) or where there is no translation at all (like Sovereign of Omnia :( ), NGNL is really gifted with translators. If the translations continue at this pace, then it will be fully translated before the author is back from his break to write vol. 7.


However as of yet none of the translators wrote their names into the registration page.

[dracorax]

There are 2 active tranlators right now, Venis and Maine12329. Venis already did the prologue for vol. 5 at an earlier point and seems to have generally have quite a fast pace at translating. Maine12329 needed 1 month for half of chapter 1 (not taking other possible translation project into account), but in the last 2/3 days finished the 2nd half in 1 go, while also finishing the second half of the vol. 6 prologue.

Compared to other Light Novels, which are only translated as a side-project (which is still infinite-times better than nothing! So don't be rude to these tranlators! No one wants PROcess to drop Shinmai Maou!) or where there is no translation at all (like Sovereign of Omnia :( ), NGNL is really gifted with translators. If the translations continue at this pace, then it will be fully translated before the author is back from his break to write vol. 7.


However as of yet none of the translators wrote their names into the registration page.

Thank you for your information. Now to wait for an epub version for Ipad for holiday.

[c933103]

There are 2 active tranlators right now, Venis and Maine12329. Venis already did the prologue for vol. 5 at an earlier point and seems to have generally have quite a fast pace at translating. Maine12329 needed 1 month for half of vol. 4 chapter 1 (not taking other possible translation project into account), but in the last 2/3 days finished the 2nd half in 1 go, while also finishing the second half of the vol. 6 prologue.

Compared to other Light Novels, which are only translated as a side-project (which is still infinite-times better than nothing! So don't be rude to these tranlators! No one wants PROcess to drop Shinmai Maou!) or where there is no translation at all (like Sovereign of Omnia :( ), NGNL is really gifted with translators. If the translations continue at this pace, then it will be fully translated before the author is back from his break to write vol. 7.


However as of yet none of the translators wrote their names into the registration page.

Maine said she had some relations troubles IRL for like past two weeks and thus MIA and seem like things hadn't completely settled so probably wont be opening new chapters within a short period of time. and actually the part of v6 prologue she translated is the first part although that's posted later.

And for translation of vol.6 to come before official vol.7 release, I think its probability isn't very high. From what i know, currently all translators on the project are Chinese-based, and the official taiwan translation of the novel will only release around the time when the next volume release in Japan. And alternatively it had been found that there are someone who sold pirated translation of the book in mainland China, but their qualities are reported to be low and it is hard to buy them outside mainland China. In addition to that, there are also someone who translating the book on a Chinese lightnovel forum from Japanese to Chinese and that is most probably what the volume 6 prologue based on, but that translation had now only released 2 out of 5 chapters which stopped there for over a month (which according to some sources, now they actually completed translation, but the proofread progress is slow due to factors like exam/work/Lovelive/Kancolle/sickness and such and they feel like it is unacceptable to release something without proofread)(And last week they had set an estimate ch3 release date at Monday but it hadn't yet released now)

And no one registered there to translate V5C1 by now.

Now Venis seem to be going to translate Henneko V2.

p.s. Actually v6c1 is registered to translate by the major vol.1-vol.3's translator beforehand, and when asked, he said it is 3/4 completed but he'll only get back to it when he have free time and thus he removed his registration status.

[GreyZone]

Isn't the NGNL author forced to take a break though? I think vol. 7 will be delayed then, won't it?

[quigonkenny]

Isn't the NGNL author forced to take a break though? I think vol. 7 will be delayed then, won't it?
Depends on how far along volume 7 is. Considering the pace at which the author was previously cranking them out, even allowing for a longer period of time than usually occurs between writing and publishing (to account for his involvement in the anime), I'd be surprised if he hasn't submitted at least a complete 1st draft of it yet.

[c933103]

the author does had mentioned on twitter with something like NGNL7 and CWP3 would have slight delay but please don't worry on twitter...and as a note, seem like he is now forced to have a trip to Indonesia for rest.

p.s. Latest info stated that NGNL vol.7 is not in MF bunko J's July and August release list, so the earliest it cna be is september 25, and probably later than it

[Shadow5YA]

Can somebody explain what exactly happened in the Great War? I was under the assumption that all the gods except Tet died, which is why he became the One True God.

However, Exceed #1 is Old Deus. So how/why would he let Tet become the One True God?

[quigonkenny]

Can somebody explain what exactly happened in the Great War? I was under the assumption that all the gods except Tet died, which is why he became the One True God.

However, Exceed #1 is Old Deus. So how/why would he let Tet become the One True God?
Your word tense suggests to me you've got at least one misunderstanding. There were/are more than one Old Deus. There was no specific "he" that "let" Tet become the OTG.

The following is my limited understanding of what happened at the end of the Great War, via Google Translate viewings of the Japanese Wikipedia page and comments on this forum. Beware massive spoilers and potential (likely?), if unintentional, misinformation:Tet was "created", or at least advanced to godhood, via the machinations of Riku the human and Shuvi the Ex Machina (the protags of the volume 6 flashback arc). The Great War was a result of a fight between the Old Deus over the Star Cup, the symbol of the OTG (it's the star-looking thing Tet had when he first brought Sora and Shiro to Disboard). Tet ended up winning, and thus became the OTG.

[Craxuan]

... Hahaha. I just read the BD Volume 1 short story. So Steph's true nature is that of a complete pervert, eh?

Though I also guessed right that she's incredibly talented. Sora admitted here that he would've lost to the all out I-don't-give-a-shit-anymore Steph if she had enough sleep. In Sora's heart the individual rankings are basically: 1) Shiro 2) Him 3) Steph, and all out Steph is basically the same level as him, with the possibility of beating Shiro one on one.

[c933103]

Can somebody explain what exactly happened in the Great War? I was under the assumption that all the gods except Tet died, which is why he became the One True God.

However, Exceed #1 is Old Deus. So how/why would he let Tet become the One True God?

originally, the rule is that by the time there are only one god left, then the star cup would appear and the remaining god would become one true god

then because gods are born from wishes, thus wherever there are life, there would be wish and there would be god and thus god would never die out as there would always be new wishes and new gods and thus there would never be left with only one god and therefore star cup would not appear and thus the war would never been ended

Then someone planned and created situation of multiple species attacking with their max. power weapon together and guide those attack toward center of the earth and thus the earth(japanese word for planet have the character for star in it) is penetrated so the star cup in it would come out and then it is given to tet.

[Plant42]

Man I can't wait for it.
https://twitter.com/yuukamiya68/status/485976593664196609

the rest of BD short stories and audio commentary will feature the contents such as
-the origin of Sora's exceptional people reading skill
-The story of Kurami and Fiel before they met Sora
-Jibril solo against the Dragonia
-reason why only elves can use multiple spells at once
-the previous king's true character

[quigonkenny]

Man I can't wait for it.
https://twitter.com/yuukamiya68/status/485976593664196609

the rest of BD short stories and audio commentary will feature the contents such as
-the origin of Sora's exceptional people reading skill
-The story of Kurami and Fiel before they met Sora
-Jibril solo against the Dragonia
-reason why only elves can use multiple spells at once
-the previous king's true character

Best hashtag ever: #blatantpropaganda <translated from Japanese>

As for the actual info, that's fuggin' brilliant. This is what happens when you have the original content creator dialed in on making the best adaptation possible. George Lucas may talk about an "evolving vision", but he has nothing on Kamiya-sensei.

[AC-Phoenix]

Man I can't wait for it.
https://twitter.com/yuukamiya68/status/485976593664196609

the rest of BD short stories and audio commentary will feature the contents such as
-the origin of Sora's exceptional people reading skill
-The story of Kurami and Fiel before they met Sora
-Jibril solo against the Dragonia
-reason why only elves can use multiple spells at once
-the previous king's true character

tbh I didn't know only elves could do multi casting oO.
One would expect Jibril to be able to do the same Considering how she killed 3000 Multicasters oO (or was it 8000? ) at once.


Back to the topic on the novel its sad that Vol 5 is on a hold - I really want to know how that game continues and why the flügel need to be saved in the first place (I guess they are playing a game with the Siren atm though)

[N3W1ife]

... Hahaha. I just read the BD Volume 1 short story. So Steph's true nature is that of a complete pervert, eh?

Though I also guessed right that she's incredibly talented. Sora admitted here that he would've lost to the all out I-don't-give-a-shit-anymore Steph if she had enough sleep. In Sora's heart the individual rankings are basically: 1) Shiro 2) Him 3) Steph, and all out Steph is basically the same level as him, with the possibility of beating Shiro one on one.

Do you have any links on where you read the short story? :)
(sorry my english sucks xD)