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EagleBlue
2012-11-05, 06:52
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-11-05/witchcraft-works-fantasy-manga-gets-anime
Can't find more information like the staff or cast so probably they'll announce them in a month or a couple of months.
I'm pretty excited that it's getting an anime.
mangamuscle
2012-11-05, 09:08
WOW! *pinches cheek* WOW. I never saw that coming, this is a true rarity considering japanese society, not because the male lead is your average useless male™, but because the female lead is a strong silent type that overpowers the male lead in just about everything; this is a story with a true role reversal, where the guy takes the role of the damsel in distress and our female lead is the cool hero that beats the bad guys to a pulp.
Cosmic Eagle
2012-11-05, 09:16
Didn't expect this to get an anime....
MisaoFan
2012-11-05, 09:32
Synopsis looks interesting. The artstyle looks uniquely stunning that reminds me of Durarara!!, so I'll give it a try.
WOW! *pinches cheek* WOW. I never saw that coming, this is a true rarity considering japanese society, not because the male lead is your average useless male™, but because the female lead is a strong silent type that overpowers the male lead in just about everything; this is a story with a true role reversal, where the guy takes the role of the damsel in distress and our female lead is the cool hero that beats the bad guys to a pulp.
^isn't this normal these days? lol.
mangamuscle
2012-11-05, 14:22
^isn't this normal these days? lol.
The average useless male™ ends up becoming pretty badass or at the very least somehow useful, but so far in the manga run this has yet to happen, so unless the anime heavily tinkers with the plot it would be no different.
Lenneth4
2012-11-05, 14:50
Look stylished
will see it
nice to see for change a older female lead protecting a hero
mangamuscle
2012-11-05, 15:00
nice to see for change a older female lead protecting a hero
They are the same age, but she is taller than him (and everyone else, except her own mother).
WOW! *pinches cheek* WOW. I never saw that coming, this is a true rarity considering japanese society, not because the male lead is your average useless male™, but because the female lead is a strong silent type that overpowers the male lead in just about everything; this is a story with a true role reversal, where the guy takes the role of the damsel in distress and our female lead is the cool hero that beats the bad guys to a pulp.
^ Just what I'm seeking in anime. Nice.
Richocet
2012-11-05, 19:14
Wow, I'm surprised and happy that this got an anime
Wonder when its due for, considering there are like 16 scanalated chaps out (dunno about the raws)
Nachtwandler
2012-11-05, 21:00
4th volume of manga would come this month. Still. It's enough for 12 eps... probably
WOW! *pinches cheek* WOW. I never saw that coming, this is a true rarity considering japanese society, not because the male lead is your average useless male™, but because the female lead is a strong silent type that overpowers the male lead in just about everything; this is a story with a true role reversal, where the guy takes the role of the damsel in distress and our female lead is the cool hero that beats the bad guys to a pulp.
Well, there is prob is a reason for having an overpowered protector like "awakened powers spell disaster to the world" or "future savior of the world, therefore must protect". If the manga is aimed at guys, then this guy isn't going to stay useless.
Master Assassin
2012-11-07, 09:02
Didn't expect this to get an anime....
Yep, unexpected much.
I for one will be looking forward to the anime design and see whether it's a yay or nay. The manga's design kind of puts me off a bit, but eh it's OK. :heh:
Cosmic Eagle
2012-11-07, 11:25
Ehh....the manga artwork isn't something extra-special but it's something I'm neutral towards.
Endscape
2012-11-07, 12:36
I'm really surprised, I didn't expect this to be getting an anime. I'll be looking forward to it.
Well, there is prob is a reason for having an overpowered protector like "awakened powers spell disaster to the world" or "future savior of the world, therefore must protect". If the manga is aimed at guys, then this guy isn't going to stay useless.
Um Date A Live? Normally in a Fantasia Bunko at some point there will be competing males with their own intentions. Shindou will have to deal with a male AST member (who rather than using power armor pilots a huge ass mecha) or some guy who does want to see the world burn.
Lenneth4
2012-11-08, 19:52
They are the same age, but she is taller than him (and everyone else, except her own mother).
ohhh !
Ok i was thinking he was way younger since he is smaller xd
A first saw this in the manga thread... yeah, it's certainly out of left field, but it should be interesting. Actually, a big appeal to this is the fact of just how hilarious half the stuff is in the manga (and the big explosions when certain people go overboard....), and it's not just the gender reversal part either.
I love the artwork for this story, it's insanely detailed. I can see why people might not like it though. The plot (for the few chapters that exist) is pretty interesting, and the role reversal is well done, as is the humor. Reminds me of Beezlebub sometimes with the randomness and absurdity.
I look forward to it. Now someone announce Assassination Classroom, dangit! :D
Just read the manga until chap 2. Man, the heroine is very epic. She's so damn strong with capacity to kick the living crap outta anything. This is the heroine i'll be rooting for (I get tired seeing weak/non-action heroines in anime).
Coldlight
2012-11-12, 05:29
Alright! Another one of the manga I've been following for a long while is getting an anime. :D
I really liked this one for the role reversal, the funny moments and the really intricate artwork. I hope the detailed style of the artwork survives adaptation into anime.
Can't wait to see Ayaka and Honoka animated (yes, the guy IS named Honoka).
Looks interesting. I'll watch this for the strong female lead.
Kaioshin Sama
2012-11-15, 09:39
Relationship dynamic in this sounds a lot like Accel Worlds (to name one example) what with it being the heroine that takes point and the male hero kind of riding her coattails until he comes into his own. It's a pretty uncommon one historically though not as much as some people might think and becoming far less so with each passing season. The heroine in these also almost always seems to follow the same basic rule of the tall dark and bishoujo ojou-sama archetype too making me think it's some sort of very specific wish fulfillment trend of the hapless everyday male student being rescued and looked after by the "untouchable" school beauty/idol/princess who would normally never have any reason to pay special attention to them that's taking off in Japan with each passing example. It's kind of hard not to notice as I pointed out in the last thread I created.
mangamuscle
2012-11-15, 10:39
The heroine in these also almost always seems to follow the same basic rule of the tall dark and bishoujo ojou-sama archetype too making me think it's some sort of very specific wish fulfillment trend of the hapless everyday male student being rescued and looked after by the "untouchable" school beauty/idol/princess who would normally never have any reason to pay special attention to them that's taking off in Japan with each passing example.
Maybe it will be the season surprise like Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita was the past season. My bet on the voice for Kagari is Haruka Tomatsu.*waku* *waku*
cynicalicious
2012-11-30, 22:47
Ah, this has been a good week. I find out that one of my favorite manga (Witchcraft Works) gets a green light, and my favorite fluff series (Dog Days) also gets one as well. (Hey, after a long day, I need my fluff.)
I've been hoping for an adaptation for Witchcraft Works pretty much since it came out. I love the art. It's nuts. In a good way. I keep buying the tanks because it's fun to study the art and see all of the little tiny things the mangaka keeps putting in.
I just hope the art doesn't get flattened or hit with the boring-o-tron in the anime to the point where it loses its flavor.
My other concern (and really, this is my bigger concern) is that the story hasn't really advanced far enough for a good adaptation yet. Sure, a lot of stuff is happening, but there's SO much stuff we don't know about, that any anime is going to need either a 'To be continued' or an Anime Original ending.
waku waku indeed.
Another amung my favourit mangas. Just <3 Ayaka, especially for how huge she is O_o. Comedy is fantastic and I dont care if the protagonist is weak or not, and dominated by strong females. But theres not really much content material yet. Manga doesnt realease all that fast ><
mangamuscle
2013-10-16, 13:08
In page #21 of the latest chapter (#28) there is a tiny announcement that in next month issue there will be an announcement about the anime. If we are optimistic they waited this long (a little more than a year) so there could be enough story for a one cour series. My guess is that they are aiming for the winter season. Any bets what studio would be the best for doing the animated (as in "non statical") scenery porn?
Articalys
2013-10-31, 21:45
Turns out the answer to the above question is J.C.Staff, and the anime is indeed confirmed for January 2014.
http://moca-news.net/article/20131101/201311011129a/01/
dmaxzero
2013-11-01, 07:49
They made her less tall than in the manga or the less shorty, or its just me?
Additional cast, all the names have the reading on the official site http://www.witch-cw-anime.jp/character.html but I might have fudged here and there, just PM and I'll edit:
Takamiya Komachi - Ayako Kawasumi
Black Noir Schwarz Six - Rie Kugimiya
Twin Tails (Kanna Utsuga) - Shiina Natsukawa
Tsurupeta (Rin Kagari) - Momo Asakura
Deko (Kotetsu Katsura) - Natsumi Hioka
Gantai (Mei Menowa) - Yuka Iida
Kazane Kagari - Sayaka Ohara
Kanae Hoozuki - Yō Taichi
Touko Hio - Kana Asumi
Ai - Ai Matayoshi
Mai - Mari Shiraishi
Mii - Yuka Kuroka
Weekend - Aya Hirano
source: http://witch-cw-anime.at.webry.info/201312/article_2.html
FredFriendly
2013-12-30, 15:14
I just watched the RAW of episode one and, language barrier aside, it seemed to be a pretty faithful adaptation of the first two of chapters of the manga. Lots of blazing fire!
The biggest surprise for me was the ED, which actually had me laughing out loud.
Just watched it. I did not expect it to be so faithful, and not only that, but pretty much everything about it exceeded my expectations. I feel like this anime is going to be my favorite for this season.
MisaoFan
2013-12-30, 16:48
The first episode was really great although it will have 12 episodes. Aside from that, it was basically like any other romance series with fantasy backgrounds, except it's done differently by subverting a lot of tropes, like the normal male student with ordinary trait as the main characters and the obligatory popular female student. However it was presented with a manner that was so formidable I loved it. The color palette is the kind of colored art I love although it was way too brilliant to watch during night. The character designs are a refreshing change of pace and the way the girls and their breast size goes are very fitting, which is another aspect I liked about the series. It may have a lot of girls, but the show doesn't need any harem antics and instead promising to focus on Takamiya and Kagari's relationship only. The theme songs are great and might end up loving it a lot more as the show goes. This is easily my personal winner for winter season comedy-wise so I will totally follow it.
Endscape
2013-12-30, 17:04
This was out already!? Completely slipped past me.
*runs off to go watch it*
Kirihara_R
2013-12-30, 19:44
great , episode 1 already started , as a manga reader I have great expectations from this ..
Tempest35
2013-12-30, 23:43
Honestly, the fights were awesome, CG and art are very good (although I must say that they miss on Karagi's flames), character interaction is still just a bit off for me though. The timing on the delivery of their lines had me feeling that they were rushing to get through the first two of chapters. It almost felt as if it was a flat read for Honaka (male lead) in some respects. Not enough time given for his words to really 'sink in' at different. I understand that they have chapters that are 40+ something pages at times but still...
As for the flames, the explosions are great, but Kagari is not suppose to be on fire, as the CG flames make it look to be - she is the fire - body and clothing. Those are my biggest gripes about it so far... I'll keep watching it though - for Kagari's many ways of blowing stuff up. :)
Richocet
2014-01-01, 14:32
I really liked this episode, nicely done, the visuals were good and the ED had me in fits
ookamigirl
2014-01-01, 15:49
The animation is awesome.
Colors are really vivid and the characters look good.
The story is unusual, but very fun!
Kept me glued to the screen the entire time.
I'm definitely watching this ^^
sikvod00
2014-01-01, 15:54
I wonder why the anime staff chose Asami Seto to play Ayaka. IMO her voice doesn't fit stoic emotionless, characters very well. Or maybe I'm so used to her being cast as plucky, hyper-energetic characters so it sounded forced to me. Oh well. The first episode was an OK introduction; things flew by so fast it was hard to care about much.
Avaricia
2014-01-01, 16:12
The chorus of the opening is awesome and also, Roasted bunnies!!!
Kaoru Chujo
2014-01-01, 16:19
Good start. I read a bit of the manga and was taken with it -- particularly with Kagari-san. The big, strong, kindly, commanding, soft-voiced, nice-smelling, huge-breasted witch. This is not a fetish I would normally go for, but this story does it so well that it works. I think the fetish -- plus the fighting -- is what makes this story go. And so far the anime seems to have got it.I wonder why the anime staff chose Asami Seto to play Ayaka. IMO her voice doesn't fit stoic emotionless, characters very well. Or maybe I'm so used to her being cast as plucky, hyper-energetic characters so it sounded forced to me. Oh well....I think Seto Asami is an outstanding young seiyuu who can do just about anything. I thought she was great as Chihaya in Chihayafuru. I think she was also good in episode one here. She's a big person with lots of power in her voice. The stoic voice had little hints of colour through it, I thought. And the character gave the same feeling I got from the manga.
DXMichael
2014-01-01, 16:41
That was a pretty good first episode if I do say so myself, I was entertained the entire way through and the action was great to watch :) I'm liking the main characters at the moment, Honoka is what you would expect since he's the on being protected, rather useless and always in trouble, but he isn't exactly bad, in fact, he's rather good at being that character haha :p Compared to similar characters from different anime, he isn't even close to being annoying. he's more enjoyable actually :heh:
Kagari Ayaka is amazing 0.o She does actually seem to have a personality and emotions, she just doesn't show them very often, but when she does, the result is worth it haha.
19 chapters in and.........
even if I want to answer you I cant since it's forbidding to talk about manga spoiler that didn't show up yet in anime even if it was behind spoiler tag so it's better to edit your post
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5677/wl1z.jpg
Tenzen12
2014-01-01, 17:14
I LoLed through whole that ending:D
I have tendences drop animes when I read manga as well, but this look like one of few exceptions.
Nachtwandler
2014-01-01, 17:38
I wonder why the anime staff chose Asami Seto to play Ayaka. IMO her voice doesn't fit stoic emotionless, characters very well. Or maybe I'm so used to her being cast as plucky, hyper-energetic characters so it sounded forced to me. Oh well. The first episode was an OK introduction; things flew by so fast it was hard to care about much.
But she played couple of stoic characters. IMHO she did a great job as Rin in Stella Jogakuin Koutou-ka C³-bu and Lan in Rinne no Lagrange was quite stoic type(although not as stoic of cause).
Master_Yoma
2014-01-01, 22:43
Not to bad of a start but must say there soming one else who pulled a Nagato
GundamZZ
2014-01-01, 22:44
I heard the show is about a older sister type and her under class admirer. They show it as the difference of their body heights. Maybe it can be classified as another type of moe.
Pesti13nce
2014-01-01, 23:43
I heard the show is about a older sister type and her under class admirer. They show it as the difference of their body heights. Maybe it can be classified as another type of moe.
Where did you read that?!? I'll admit even the manga started out a little slap stick with the cat tower witches but it takes a rather dramatic turn and shit gets real in future chapters..
I'm a big fan of this manga and i'm glad they seem to be going in parallel and this story is just getting better and better as the manga develops.
Yeah, not really sure where these weird descriptions are coming from. The only character description I've agreed with is people saying that Kagari somewhat behaves like Mikasa from Attack On Titan. Anyway, the second episode airs on 1/12 right?
Well that was a lot of fun. Especially since tall girl-shorter guy is my fetish :D
Oh and not forgetting the warrior bunnies! And that superb ending! :D Gonna be following this for sure..
I thought it was pretty good for the most part the only thing that turned me off was the weird bunny things.
The rest of the the witches look interesting enough so ill keep watching for now.
forcerounds
2014-01-02, 04:43
I actually liked the bunny robots. They are likely to be the best element of what is to be a mediocre CGI festival.
I also liked the ending, so I'm going to give this show a shot.
That was great fun, I have to admit I was massively amused when Kagari retied Honoka's tie like it was a ribbon, partly because he left it like that and mostly because it was a big parody of the classic Marimite straightening the collar scene.
Did like the killer bunny robots, too.
NoemiChan
2014-01-02, 07:34
I officially declare that this anime is created by a genius.
The plot is beyond unique. The characters' are beyond the usual. The humor is beyond normal.
Mahou shoujo supposed to be short, pink and cute but she is tall, tomboy and hunky. Awesome. The good thing is she's obviously very STRAIGHT. I totally raised a thumb for that.
The ED is very funny. Awesome anime.^^
Oh, why is a Neko witch summoning metal Rabbit? >_>
Randrak42
2014-01-02, 08:18
Oh God...that ED is hilarious!
Guy Incognito
2014-01-02, 08:54
there take on obama care is extreme :)
Not a bad start, it's pretty faithful to the manga too which is nice. They did blaze through some of the material though, the school scenes in particular flash by.
But they screwed up, really bad. Kagari isn't on fire, she is fire. While the staff managed to do a decent job of adapting the look of the characters, they seem to be ignoring one of the big strengths of the manga, which is the little details of the art.
Here's an example:
http://i.imgur.com/gVQrLIe.jpg
Tempest35
2014-01-02, 13:43
...yes, YES! Thank you Solace! That was one of my major gripes - one that would have taken a unique technique in CG animation to pull off, along with traditional animation. Calcifer from Howl's Moving Castle is a good example of what I would have liked to see in regards to Kagari being on fire. That and her little fire daemons were awesome too.
Like how they animated the slugfest between the two rabbits, they could do a lot of the same with her fire daemons being animated and 'alive' when she's like that. Missed Moment of Awesome-ness.
But... at this point, it's almost a moot point. :heh:
And on that note, "May all your bacon burn".
Anime299
2014-01-02, 16:48
A nice little touch I noticed was that: She's more popular than he, she's taller, she's stronger, she has more talent, and she is his protector, but she also insists that he walk at her side, rather than taking a servile position. Nice. I look forward to seeing even the slightest hint of a smile break through. It would be like sun breaking though clouds... Just sayin'
Pesti13nce
2014-01-02, 17:07
A nice little touch I noticed was that: She's more popular than he, she's taller, she's stronger, she has more talent, and she is his protector, but she also insists that he walk at her side, rather than taking a servile position. Nice. I look forward to seeing even the slightest hint of a smile break through. It would be like sun breaking though clouds... Just sayin'
I'm gonna re-read the manga again.. but..honestly... I can't remember if she does actually smile..... and actually.... I don't "think" she is actually stronger than him... I think he just hasn't awoke or something I honestly can't remember, but she is indeed one of a craft witch, can't say more cause that would ruin a LOT, also their is a VERY good reason why she insists he walk by her side which plays a big roll later in the series, and it's not just for "protection" there is another rather large reason, he is indeed her "princess" lol.
Crunchyroll Strikes Again! (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2014/01/02/crunchyroll-to-stream-witch-craft-works-anime)
Kaoru Chujo
2014-01-02, 18:16
I don't know if there's any significance to this, but I enjoyed the fact that when he awoke in her room, she was reading a book called: "Feeding Turtles." I also liked the tiny spouting whale (toy?) cruising around the pond when they were eating lunch outside.
FateAnomaly
2014-01-02, 21:50
3 things that i took note of.
Kagari chest is too big.
The MC is complaining that cute girls are rubbing their butts on him everyday.
The villains are cuter than Kagari.
NoemiChan
2014-01-02, 22:06
3 things that i took note of.
Kagari chest is too big.
The MC is complaining that cute girls are rubbing their butts on him everyday.
The villains are cuter than Kagari.
>She's a BIG girl after all.
>Who in the world like butts being rub on ones face.:heh:
>Originality. Cuteness is character.
Am I the only one who had a :twitch: on his face during the ED?
Well, all said and done I wasn't overwhelmed by much of anything - I did giggle a bit at the poor MC's first day of Kagari accompanying him to school, etc. though, I guess, but the denseness, overall helplessness and weakness of the male lead combined with what felt like a super rushed pace kinda didn't do much for me.
Maybe will get better later, but atm not my cup of tea, it seems. ^^
MasterVampire
2014-01-03, 03:16
Really didnt like this.
EnOfEridu
2014-01-03, 05:16
This was interesting, but i was too distracted by the fact that Kagari boobs are way bigger than her head.
What i liked was the fact that she was tall and imposing in contrast to the MC that looks very small. Also it was fun the fact that 90% of Kagari fans are female, using the males only as brute force.
Was there an Obama-san there, wasn't it? One that spoke english? Reference? Accident?
I want the MC to keep the bow tie that Kagari made. It looks fitting with the "princess".
Breimoon
2014-01-03, 08:01
the ed was quite funny
I kind of enjoyed the première. The content itself is a little generic but they packed a lot in to keep me interested and the battles were quite nice (even the CG was well used). And yes I also loled at the the ED. :heh:
Cloudedmind
2014-01-03, 21:57
I guess I'll stay for the ED, and the somewhat interesting role reversal.
II Maestro
2014-01-04, 03:57
Kagari's height is just big compared to MC who is quite small.
Looking forward to the other character that will appear in this series.
The ending was cute & funny~!
anime fan99
2014-01-04, 08:54
I must say i Never understand Girls being jealous thing is the Girls all BI in this School:rolleyes:
Tenzen12
2014-01-04, 09:04
I don't think they are necessarily BI, it's just Kagari is best guy around...
anime fan99
2014-01-04, 10:03
I don't think they are necessarily BI, it's just Kagari is best guy around...
:eyespin: i do not understand fanGirls and fanBoys They believe some one is perfect and worthy of worship but what They do not believe the perfect person is a good judg of Character
Tenzen12
2014-01-04, 10:12
That's truth, but even if you can't understand it, you have to accept it as fact, Fanboys/fangirls are like that and always will regardless whether in fiction or real world.
Its true this is packed with some incredible plot convenience, but it does have other things that make up for it.
For example it has AyakaxHonoka, or AyakaxHonoka, or AyakaxHonoka, and AyakaxHonoka!
anime fan99
2014-01-04, 10:22
Its true this is packed with some incredible plot convenience, but it does have other things that make up for it.
For example it has AyakaxHonoka, or AyakaxHonoka, or AyakaxHonoka, and AyakaxHonoka!
what is AyakaxHonoka :eyespin:
Tenzen12
2014-01-04, 10:27
Ayaka is flame witch, Honoka is princess Duh...
OkamiNoKaze
2014-01-04, 11:44
Should I watch the preair episode or wait for the broadcast version?
Those 5 witches in the ED deserve their own spin-off.
BTW, isn't "Honoka" a female name?
Tenzen12
2014-01-04, 13:59
I don't think there are strict rules dividing between male and female names (In different animes I saw guys like Sakura or Kaori), but yes it is first time I saw this for guy as well.
It obviously intentional as It's clear who wear pants in their relationship.
Kaoru Chujo
2014-01-04, 14:19
Here is a characters/seiyuus page for this show (http://hashihime.x10.bz/etc/2014/witchworks/charsei.html), with pics of the characters (17 of them) and their seiyuus (many of them relative unknowns), and some info about each seiyuu. For example, two of the seiyuus are members of the Music Ray'n agency's new singing group (the agency's first singing group was Sphere). And scattered in among the newcomers are some big names: Kawasumi Ayako, Kugimiya Rie, Oohara Sayaka, Asumi Kana. And Hirano Aya.
Should I watch the preair episode or wait for the broadcast version?The first episode will be broadcast tomorrow (Sunday), so you don't have long to wait. The pre-air seems fine to me, but the broadcast version should be higher resolution.
Tempest35
2014-01-05, 03:30
Those 5 witches in the ED deserve their own spin-off.
BTW, isn't "Honoka" a female name?
... dunno if the name thing will be brought up, but yeah, kinda like 'Koyomi Araragi' :eyespin:
The manga series that the anime is based off was originally planned as a Yuri manga...
However shortly before it began publication, they changed Honoka from female to male.
But later on you'll still see some characteristics and habits they show what was originally
intended to be "Honoka" remain.
(Some freaky obsessions with plush penguins for starters)
FredFriendly
2014-01-05, 08:05
Here is a characters/seiyuus page for this show (http://hashihime.x10.bz/etc/2014/witchworks/charsei.html), with pics of the characters (17 of them) and their seiyuus (many of them relative unknowns), and some info about each seiyuu...
Thank you! Your efforts do not go unappreciated!
The manga series that the anime is based off was originally planned as a Yuri manga...
However shortly before it began publication, they changed Honoka from female to male.
But later on you'll still see some characteristics and habits they show what was originally
intended to be "Honoka" remain.
(Some freaky obsessions with plush penguins for starters)
I've never heard any of this. What's your source?
http://i.imgur.com/GE3afdn.gif . http://i.imgur.com/ayfLzRt.gif . http://i.imgur.com/nZUEndk.gif . http://i.imgur.com/4w995ef.gif
I've never heard any of this. What's your source?
From WCW manga inside cover info:
Witchcraft Works [Setting + Behind the Scenes]
This is a page collecting things which don't influence the storyline such as background information that probably won't appear thereafter, or the author's comments at the time of serialized publication, to mention a few.
If after reading the main story, those who say "I want to know more!" end up reading this and become even a bit more satisfied I'll be happy.
Chapter 1 [Takamiya-kun and the Fire Witch]
Takamiya Honoka
The reason his first name is Honoka (a name like a girl's).
Quite a while back, with Witchcraft Works, a work sharing the same name as this series now, I applied for the Four Seasons award and received an honorable mention. From that time, Takamiya-kun and Kagari-san had already been introduced, but Takamiya-kun didn't have a first name.
After that, while I was still planning storyboards for one of my works, Magical Girl Mono, I gave the girl protagonist the name Honoka.
When I received the offer to publish in good! Afternoon, I put Magical Girl Mono and Witchcraft Works together, made Takamiya-kun into a girl, and "Takamiya Honoka" was born.
It was going to be a lesbian manga with Kagari-san.
At the last minute, I returned to the setting where Takamiya-kun was a guy. But I left the name as it was.
Kagari Ayaka
In the Four Seasons award version, she had no family name, just Ayaka, always Ayaka. As I closed in on the final storyboards, I was asked "Is there a last name!?" by someone in charge, and I made a play on the "bon" of "bonfire".
Kagari-san's fire has levels which are set.
The easiest way to understand this: [symbol] means level 3.
From level 4 onward, she herself would turn into fire (self-combustion).
Looks like next week it will cover chapters 3-4. I'm more excited to see the third episode animated. Can't wait!
HandofFate
2014-01-05, 17:46
I like it. Great heroine, cool magic attacks, crisp character designs. Good OP and ED sequence.
Top pick of season so far for me.
Would love Kagari's wiener in my mouth.
OkamiNoKaze
2014-01-05, 19:17
This show was pretty good, a great start to a new season. Kagari is magical girl Sakaki. I couldn't help but laugh at the ending,
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!!
HandofFate
2014-01-05, 19:20
Like the OP intro, for some reason, the first few seconds remind me of Bewitched.
FlareKnight
2014-01-05, 19:42
Not too bad. Pretty good fun watching a bunch of robotic critters getting blasted away by fire. Not hugely thrilled with the main duo, but they should be ok. Good enough to keep watching.
mangamuscle
2014-01-05, 19:43
Would love Kagari's wiener in my mouth.
*spills coffee on monitor*
... what? the comment reminded me of certain Attack of Titan modified gif with Eren and the piece of bread Mikasa forcefully feed him.
Anime Online
2014-01-05, 20:04
I have yet to see a wiener as elaborate as the one in Kagari's bento. It's a work of art! And that mini-whale swimming back and fro in the pond!
Anyway, I think it would have been better if Honoka is a girl. The whole setting seems more fitting if he were a girl, not to mention Kagari repeatedly calling him Princess.
Tempest35
2014-01-05, 21:43
Ah damn, that ending is so catchy... and the chibi witches are cute as hell too. XD Hell, I'm along for the ride. :heh:
http://i.imgur.com/GE3afdn.gif . http://i.imgur.com/ayfLzRt.gif . http://i.imgur.com/nZUEndk.gif . http://i.imgur.com/4w995ef.gif
From WCW manga inside cover info:
Witchcraft Works [Setting + Behind the Scenes]
This is a page collecting things which don't influence the storyline such as background information that probably won't appear thereafter, or the author's comments at the time of serialized publication, to mention a few.
If after reading the main story, those who say "I want to know more!" end up reading this and become even a bit more satisfied I'll be happy.
Chapter 1 [Takamiya-kun and the Fire Witch]
Takamiya Honoka
The reason his first name is Honoka (a name like a girl's).
Quite a while back, with Witchcraft Works, a work sharing the same name as this series now, I applied for the Four Seasons award and received an honorable mention. From that time, Takamiya-kun and Kagari-san had already been introduced, but Takamiya-kun didn't have a first name.
After that, while I was still planning storyboards for one of my works, Magical Girl Mono, I gave the girl protagonist the name Honoka.
When I received the offer to publish in good! Afternoon, I put Magical Girl Mono and Witchcraft Works together, made Takamiya-kun into a girl, and "Takamiya Honoka" was born.
It was going to be a lesbian manga with Kagari-san.
At the last minute, I returned to the setting where Takamiya-kun was a guy. But I left the name as it was.
Kagari Ayaka
In the Four Seasons award version, she had no family name, just Ayaka, always Ayaka. As I closed in on the final storyboards, I was asked "Is there a last name!?" by someone in charge, and I made a play on the "bon" of "bonfire".
Kagari-san's fire has levels which are set.
The easiest way to understand this: [symbol] means level 3.
From level 4 onward, she herself would turn into fire (self-combustion).
Heh, that's neat trivia.
I guess that stuff makes sense now, but if he was going to change the genders at the last minute I can't see why he'd leave everything else in.
It doesn't help or hurt the story for now but I suppose it does leave ambiguity if he wanted to pull something later, and since it's persisted since the first chapter I'm thinking he'll do something with it at some point even if it's just a silly pun.
Charlotte Belew
2014-01-05, 22:19
Found the first episode quite entertaining.
The robot bunnies are funny and remind me of the Energizer bunny (http://www.energizer.com/energizer-bunny/Pages/bunny-center.aspx) XD
Kagari's fire attacks are absolutely awesome :D
Her huge witch hat is funny, while her thighhighs are a clear plus.
While popular girls aren't uncommon, her popularity here is massively over the top XD
However, I really don't like Kagari's oversized breasts, and she could be cuter.
I very much prefer the neko witch (Tanpopo) there :D
The ED is seriously funny.
3 things that i took note of.
Kagari chest is too big.
The MC is complaining that cute girls are rubbing their butts on him everyday.
The villains are cuter than Kagari.
1. Fully agree there, really don't like her melon breasts.
2. That wouldn't be an issue, but it's more that they shove their elbows in his face and such.
3. True, the other witches look cuter and more likeable - except Mei, which is the same older girl type as Kagari. At least she doesn't have such monstrous breasts however, which makes her still better.
mangamuscle
2014-01-05, 23:07
However, I really don't like Kagari's oversized breasts, and she could be cuter.
It is not a bug, it is a feature! Kagari is not supposed to be cute, she is cool (which is the opposite of cute); think D from Vampire Hunter D kind of cool (strong/silent type) and her breast size add to her imposing or even frightening presence, it is not an asset that the average pervert would grope (I bet she would break the arm of any offender, unless it is Takamiya, then she would ask if he wants some personal time with her).
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2014-01-05, 23:08
I wonder. Is it actually politically correct to say "she is better because her breasts are smaller"?
Because that's what you are saying.
What's the ideal breast size for a female to you? Maybe every girl in the show should have surgery so they are all the same size, yes? What size would you prefer them to be?
ZodiacBeast
2014-01-05, 23:51
Lol at Obama-kun. Also, I just now found a quote for my signature. Thank you, oh ye of head sized knockers.
I seriously hope Kagari's posse all get their asses kicked. It might be because I was treated the same way throughout my entire school life but hearing the same crap about "he doesn't belong here!" and beating the life out of him just because he talked to Kagari made me very uncomfortable.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/philip72/1388953923409_zpsc7a9b6c2.jpg (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/philip72/media/1388953923409_zpsc7a9b6c2.jpg.html)
My body is ready.
Myssa Rei
2014-01-05, 23:56
Kind of wondering why people are obsessing about Kagari's bust size. She's pretty much Sakaki (from Azumanga) as a witch, except with the proportions throwing things off (the thin waists don't help admittedly).
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2014-01-06, 00:26
Kind of wondering why people are obsessing about Kagari's bust size. She's pretty much Sakaki (from Azumanga) as a witch, except with the proportions throwing things off (the thin waists don't help admittedly).
As I say, they are not obsessed, they just assume that those with large breasts are inferior. You know, like calling them whores.
Which is really quite judgemental. The author's a woman, she knows best what she wants her female characters to look like. Kagari is just "big Everything". Her breasts aren't a big deal when you consider her body scale.
Myssa Rei
2014-01-06, 00:52
Her breasts aren't a big deal when you consider her body scale.
I remember her being HUGE in the manga, certainly much bigger than the "half head taller" the anime went with.
ZodiacBeast
2014-01-06, 01:04
I think that her breasts are just the right size for her build, although I wouldn't like it if they were any bigger. I think they did a good job of making her attractive but I like the aloof big sister type so I might be biased.
HandofFate
2014-01-06, 02:53
Kagari's voice acting really brings the dialogue to life imo. Love it.
Also looking forward to it because for me, usually Kagari's character type are side characters and usually not the main girl.
greensoulreaper
2014-01-06, 02:55
I remember her being HUGE in the manga, certainly much bigger than the "half head taller" the anime went with.
Personally it doesn't bother me. The way I see it, anime adaptations are never full on 100% accurate with anything. At least it was shown that she is bigger than Honoka, and mostly all the other students. If she's "normal" height or the same height, then there is a problem. In the manga, character proportions were generally kind of awkward anyways, for all the characters, but that exaggeration in size was part of the mangaka's style.
I'm really happy how the animations and character designs turned out though. The voices are great too, there weren't any uber main stream seiyuus used in this one.:heh:
Kagari's voice acting really brings the dialogue to life imo. Love it.
Also looking forward to it because for me, usually Kagari's character type are side characters and usually not the main girl.
Yeah, its definitely the kind of voice best suited for a cool beauty-type like Kagari. :)
Not a bad start, it's pretty faithful to the manga too which is nice. They did blaze through some of the material though, the school scenes in particular flash by.
But they screwed up, really bad. Kagari isn't on fire, she is fire. While the staff managed to do a decent job of adapting the look of the characters, they seem to be ignoring one of the big strengths of the manga, which is the little details of the art.
Here's an example:
http://i.imgur.com/gVQrLIe.jpg
Yeah, this is one part where the manga wins over the anime, but I kind of forgive that since it'll probably be pretty difficult to animate such detail. I mean look at some of those flames. They have faces!
She's pretty much Sakaki (from Azumanga) as a witch
Oh good, I'm not the only person who thought that!
Pretty good start. I came in for the female lead and I was not disappointed one bit. The male lead is ok as well, I was afraid he would be one those whiny types (he does whine, but he has good reasons to since everybody wants to murder him for getting close to Kagari) but so far he seems like a ordinary high school student.
Best line of the first episode is in ZodiacBeast's sig.
PS: Big boobs are great.
The manga series that the anime is based off was originally planned as a Yuri manga...
However shortly before it began publication, they changed Honoka from female to male.
But later on you'll still see some characteristics and habits they show what was originally
intended to be "Honoka" remain.
(Some freaky obsessions with plush penguins for starters)
That doesn't surprise me. Given his name and the fact he was called "Princess", I kept thinking he was originally intended to be a girl. A shame the author didn't stick to the original plan...
Random Wanderer
2014-01-06, 11:06
So... what is she, a fire elemental? The 'not getting killed when utterly impaled' thing implies she's not just a human who can turn into fire, but rather fire that happens to be taking the shape of a human.
There was something off about the scene transitions; like Takemiya getting beat one second from a serious perspective, to immediately going about his business as if nothing happened, but other than that, it was a pretty good showing =03. The action scenes were much better than I expected. I can't say I was emotionally invested in the chars enough that Kagari's 'sacrifice' really hit with me, but it was a nice gesture to show what she was willing to do for him.
Side note: the name Kurashi Tanpopo is such an ADORABLE name (^,^)! She's pretty cute too =03. Ah, I want to touch those ears....
Random Wanderer
2014-01-06, 11:59
Side note: the name Kurashi Tanpopo is such an ADORABLE name (^,^)!
"Living Dandelion?"
DragoonKain3
2014-01-06, 12:11
Not gonna lie, I'm not much into giantess heroines (or even short guy + tall girl... it just looks weird lol) but the combination of Seto Asami + JC Staff might have me finishing this one.
mangamuscle
2014-01-06, 12:19
... except with the proportions throwing things off (the thin waists don't help admittedly).
If her back was a bit more wide her boobs would not look so big (when looking at her from the front), but as things are many executives might be already nervous Kagari might initiate a mob of angry japanese otaku's wanting to burn the witch (and the DVDs and the blu-rays) >_<
... there weren't any uber main stream seiyuus used in this one.:heh:
What do you mean!? Later on we get Saber, Poplar, Shana, Lucy & Ezra (from Fairy Tail).
A shame the author didn't stick to the original plan...
To me it was a genius change, because there are plenty of useless male leads, but this is so far the only manga where one is coupled with a strong/silent female lead. We can compare them to Mikasa and Eren of Attack on Titan, but Mikasa has this fragility aura about her (represented by the scarf she always wears) while Kagari has this whole knight in shining armor aura around her.
So... what is she, a fire elemental? The 'not getting killed when utterly impaled' thing implies she's not just a human who can turn into fire, but rather fire that happens to be taking the shape of a human.
That is not the whole trick, stay tuned in the next episodes for more explanations.
That doesn't surprise me. Given his name and the fact he was called "Princess", I kept thinking he was originally intended to be a girl. A shame the author didn't stick to the original plan...
The dynamic of protector/damsel (and ojousama/"ordinary") is a mainstay in a lot of yuri, so I think the show would have felt a bit more "been there, seen that" with two female leads. That's not to say it would have been bad, just that I think in this particular case, it's a little more interesting to shake things up with a masculine-looking (and sounding) male lead than it would be otherwise.
There was something off about the scene transitions; like Takemiya getting beat one second from a serious perspective, to immediately going about his business as if nothing happened, but other than that, it was a pretty good showing =03.
I totally understand what you're saying but I actually liked that sudden scene transition a lot. I could just be thinking too much about it but it gave me that vibe of "oh, this is something that is expected to happen to anyone that gets special treatment from Kagari (and it probably isn't the first time something like this has happened), so don't put any emphasis/focus on it afterwards". Basically, just go along your business after you have been "justifiably" dealt with.
To me it was a genius change, because there are plenty of useless male leads, but this is so far the only manga where one is coupled with a strong/silent female lead. We can compare them to Mikasa and Eren of Attack on Titan, but Mikasa has this fragility aura about her (represented by the scarf she always wears) while Kagari has this whole knight in shining armor aura around her.
The dynamic of protector/damsel (and ojousama/"ordinary") is a mainstay in a lot of yuri, so I think the show would have felt a bit more "been there, seen that" with two female leads. That's not to say it would have been bad, just that I think in this particular case, it's a little more interesting to shake things up with a masculine-looking (and sounding) male lead than it would be otherwise.
I get where you guys are coming from. This kind of set-up definitely has its appeal, and it's indeed not very common in anime. I personally would have liked it to stay yuri because there are so few yuri anime around. Thankfully, 2014 is looking decent on this front. Incidentally, the upcoming Akuma no riddle seems to have a similar premise, so it's probably a good thing Witchcraft works is different.
Yeah, I totally understand where you're coming from. There aren't a lot of explicitly yuri anime made, and it initially rankles to find out that this one could have been one, but was changed to m/f at the last minute.
I just think that in this particular case, it made it more interesting than it would have been otherwise, because if you just change Honoka's gender back to female we get a nicely animated, but unexceptional series that relies heavily on the popular yuri tropes that have come before it. And as much as we need yuri series, it's also rare to find a m/f series that doesn't fall under traditional gender lines and is comfortable in not doing so.
I just think that in this particular case, it made it more interesting than it would have been otherwise, because if you just change Honoka's gender back to female we get a nicely animated, but unexceptional series that relies heavily on the popular yuri tropes that have come before it. And as much as we need yuri series, it's also rare to find a m/f series that doesn't fall under traditional gender lines and is comfortable in not doing so.
I agree with this. This setup is actually more fresh and 'different' than usual, hence it seems to present a more unique and fun experience.
I also personally think that oneesan character types have been far too underrepresented in an industry that is hungry for typical moe types. Oneesan character types are either usually supporting characters or are more featured in adult works. That, or she tends to play second fiddle to the much younger and cuter heroine. It's not so often you come across a 'big sister' that wears the pants in the relationship so to speak, so prominently in a mainstream feature such as this.
Kagari in her role as it is might not be that much older than Honoka nor shares a kinship with him blood-related or not, but she exudes the same kind of 'big sister protector' atmosphere (albeit a kuudere one) just enough to throw the usual tropes for a spin. I actually prefer strong heroines such her, not just in terms of character but also even in the conventional sense.
ZodiacBeast
2014-01-06, 15:45
I agree that the "onee-san" type isn't that common. I haven't seen it in a loooong time. In fact, I can remember the last time I saw it. Part of why I like Kagari is because she's this type of character. It's refreshing to see a relatively unusual (by today's standards) type of young lady.
because if you just change Honoka's gender back to female we get a nicely animated, but unexceptional series that relies heavily on the popular yuri tropes that have come before it. And as much as we need yuri series, it's also rare to find a m/f series that doesn't fall under traditional gender lines and is comfortable in not doing so.
It's fun seeing the knight in shining armor be the girl for a change but let's not blow this out of proportion. If Honoka was a girl instead of a guy the story would still be a good read. It's the wacky stuff that happens to the character that really makes this story shine, from the witch designs, the villains, and the overall, over the top way everything is done. Personally I find Kagari hilarious, because she plays everything so straight faced even when things get really ridiculous. Oh and Honoka's mother....oh man, lol.
But to be honest, the story isn't really that far yet. It's only just barely finished its first major arc, and there's so very little plot revealed. So we may be cheering the change of pace now, only to see it reversed later, or who knows....maybe Honoka was a trap all along. :heh: You never know.
ZodiacBeast
2014-01-06, 16:45
It's fun seeing the knight in shining armor be the girl for a change but let's not blow this out of proportion. If Honoka was a girl instead of a guy the story would still be a good read. It's the wacky stuff that happens to the character that really makes this story shine, from the witch designs, the villains, and the overall, over the top way everything is done. Personally I find Kagari hilarious, because she plays everything so straight faced even when things get really ridiculous. Oh and Honoka's mother....oh man, lol.
But to be honest, the story isn't really that far yet. It's only just barely finished its first major arc, and there's so very little plot revealed. So we may be cheering the change of pace now, only to see it reversed later, or who knows....maybe Honoka was a trap all along. :heh: You never know.
A trap? NOOOOOOO!
An interesting twist, but it would still hurt my soul.
Random Wanderer
2014-01-06, 17:01
A trap? NOOOOOOO!
An interesting twist, but it would still hurt my soul.
It would be a reverse trap, if we're talking about Honoka.
It's fun seeing the knight in shining armor be the girl for a change but let's not blow this out of proportion. If Honoka was a girl instead of a guy the story would still be a good read.
I'd say no, because part of the humour and wackiness is that he is somewhat the damsel in distress in all of this. The fact that the heroine 'knight' is so calm and aloof in such a dichotomy plays right into this as well.
Yes, it could've been a well done yuri series, but it would've been a standard one.
mangamuscle
2014-01-06, 17:35
....maybe Honoka was a trap all along. :heh: You never know.
If they ever do that in the manga it would be akin to the time Coca-cola changed the formula (to be more like Pepsi). I mean, I like yuri and comparatively speaking it is more popular than onessan/giantess/strong female in a straight couple, tough changing WCW to catter to a more mainstream audience would leave a sour taste in my mouth, because I am the audience that likes WCW as it is and there are no substitutes in sight.
If anything my dream is that WCW will be the dark horse of the winter season (like Non non byori was in the fall) and we will get to see more animes like these one. There are no chances of a second season of WCW because (just like Non non byori) there is not enough material material for another full cour atm, so if the formula is popular enough another similar series (maybe with monster girls) will be animated (remember what happened with the evil overlord is not so evil trope).
ZodiacBeast
2014-01-06, 18:03
It would be a reverse trap, if we're talking about Honoka.
Oops, thought we were talking about my Amazonian beauty. Seems I misread, but I still wouldn't want Honoka to be anything but male. I like that it's a strong, confident woman protecting a weak(er) male.
Hopefully there will be more WCW anime later on when the manga has more material. I'd look up what manga there is now but don't want to spoil the anime for myself. I hope they don't go original end and have a nice place to end things for this season.
In other words, I hope WitchCraft Works is managed better than a certain other WCW.
Pesti13nce
2014-01-06, 18:12
A lot of these "why is she not getting hurt", "is she a fire elemental" questions are all going to be answered within the next episode or two so you just gotta wait. :-)
I'd say no, because part of the humour and wackiness is that he is somewhat the damsel in distress in all of this. The fact that the heroine 'knight' is so calm and aloof in such a dichotomy plays right into this as well.
Yes, it could've been a well done yuri series, but it would've been a standard one.
We'll have to agree to disagree, I guess. I'm not that hung up on gender roles.
Random Wanderer
2014-01-06, 18:33
Yuri makes everything better.
HandofFate
2014-01-06, 18:40
Usually I roll my eyes at how girls always crowd around and idolize their himes in anime...
But for Kagari...I think I can understand, lol.
chaos_animagic
2014-01-06, 19:34
I cracked up at the ED... WITCH ACTIVITY!!! *sing along* LOL
We'll have to agree to disagree, I guess. I'm not that hung up on gender roles.
I don't think this anime is hung up on them either.
To be honest, part of what makes the story interesting is seeing how the viewers react to how it plays around with expectations of gender roles.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b82/philip72/1388953923409_zpsc7a9b6c2.jpg (http://s17.photobucket.com/user/philip72/media/1388953923409_zpsc7a9b6c2.jpg.html)
SO is this Madoka-level blown away or...
Am fighting the temptation to read the Manga now to see what's coming, but the picture promises something I haven't felt from an anime in a couple years, and I would like to think I can still be as amazed by an anime as I was a month or so ago when I got my Moto X and it DL'd "Windy Day" automatically.
SO is this Madoka-level blown away or...
Am fighting the temptation to read the Manga now to see what's coming, but the picture promises something I haven't felt from an anime in a couple years, and I would like to think I can still be as amazed by an anime as I was a month or so ago when I got my Moto X and it DL'd "Windy Day" automatically.
[]It's more the WTFometer breaks after 7 tone stays pretty much this level through out.
ZodiacBeast
2014-01-06, 21:16
[]It's more the WTFometer breaks after 7 tone stays pretty much this level through out.
Hopefully it doesn't turn into a trainwreck of WTF. I have faith so I'll believe for now.
mangamuscle
2014-01-06, 21:22
SO is this Madoka-level blown away or...
I have been a fan of the series for a long time but objectively speaking this is no madoka-level event:
1) This is based on a manga, so it can't surprise us like an anime original story
2) The writing is not on the level of FMA (where my jaw dropped when i read what the big plan was all about).
3) No one has the figures but it is clear to see the budget is nothing special, it is average (whereas Madoka had the budget for above average visuals).
But IMO that does not mean it will not be entertaining and that it will have good moments.
SO is this Madoka-level blown away or...
No, because then you'll think it's some incoming mindscrew that turns the whole story on its head. But when I said over the top and ridiculous, I meant it.
http://i.imgur.com/ZyY2hC0.jpg
And that's normal.
ZodiacBeast
2014-01-06, 22:09
No, because then you'll think it's some incoming mindscrew that turns the whole story on its head. But when I said over the top and ridiculous, I meant it.
http://i.imgur.com/ZyY2hC0.jpg
And that's normal.
I am so looking forward to this. It's going to be awesome!
Also, I love how the giant teddy bear is the one who can't believe what's going on, as indicated by the "...". Actually, it was probably somebody riding in/on it, but it's much more funny to think that it's a giant bear doing what amounts to a silent facepalm.
zero7090
2014-01-06, 22:12
The manga series that the anime is based off was originally planned as a Yuri manga...
However shortly before it began publication, they changed Honoka from female to male.
But later on you'll still see some characteristics and habits they show what was originally
intended to be "Honoka" remain.
(Some freaky obsessions with plush penguins for starters)
wait what is it true?
omg it could has been an awesome yuri show, but we are stuck with spineless dick instead?
ZodiacBeast
2014-01-06, 22:20
wait what is it true?
omg it could has been an awesome yuri show, but we are stuck with spineless dick instead?
Would it have mattered if he was a spineless girl instead?
mangamuscle
2014-01-06, 22:21
... it's not dark and melancholy.
IMO the root premise on which the whole plot rides is very melancholic (and/or romantic), I could spell in ten words but that would be somehow spoilerific. But hey, I am a softy, I bet many people will not notice what all those flashbacks are about since "Hey look, incoming mecha bunny attack!!!" :twitch:
but we are stuck with spineless dick instead?
Objection, so far our MC has been useless, but not spineless, he took a giant hammer impact for the home team. The fact that he is useless does not derive from his personality nor his physical stature, any normal human would be overwhelmed in the those circumstances.
Charlotte Belew
2014-01-06, 22:36
I wonder. Is it actually politically correct to say "she is better because her breasts are smaller"?
Because that's what you are saying.
What's the ideal breast size for a female to you? Maybe every girl in the show should have surgery so they are all the same size, yes? What size would you prefer them to be?
The golden mean, medium size :D
I don't like either extreme, neither melon breasts nor pettanko (literal washboards).
Sadly us golden mean lovers are too often left out in the cold. There's a huge amount of material catering to melon breast fetishists (negative examples from the current season would be Maken-ki 2 or Super Sonico). There's also a very sizable amount of pettanko material (e.g. Ro-kyu-bu). The excessive amount of material for either extreme is far more pronounced still in doujinshi and hentai :heh:
Now melon breasts are invading this series as well, and what's worse, in the female main character, diminishing my enjoyment of the series a good bit and making it hard for me to feel sympathy (or even attraction) for this tit monster :heh:
A more moderate breast size would've been far better here.
Anyway, I think I'll be rooting for Tanpopo now :p
I hope I'll get enough enjoyment out of that. Perhaps I should even form a Tanpopo fanclub. Any takers? :D
The author's a woman, she knows best what she wants her female characters to look like.
I seriously doubt that. I've yet to see a single female who thinks "the bigger the better" without wanting to impress any melon brest fetishists.That's easy to understand, as there are a lot of problems that come with huge melon breasts (like e.g. back problems), so no woman would want to have them (if not impress others, as already said).
The absolutely only reason for Kagari's melon breasts is an attempt to raise sales by pandering to the melon breast fetishists.
Side note: the name Kurashi Tanpopo is such an ADORABLE name (^,^)! She's pretty cute too =03. Ah, I want to touch those ears....
Not just you ;)
Interested in a Tanpopo fanclub? :D
"Living Dandelion?"
No idea where you took that from. Her name is "倉石 たんぽぽ". "Kuraishi" could be translated as "lodestone", and "Tanpopo" has many more meanings than just "dandelion". For example, there's a very popular movie named "Tanpopo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampopo)", and there's also a J-pop girls band named "Tanpopo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanpopo)", an offshoot of "Morning Musume (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_Musume)".
About any yuri speculations: There most probably won't be any yuri stuff. If they they had planned any, then Kagiri wouldn't have those melon breasts. You never have melon breasts in any yuri stuff, because the target audience there doesn't want melon breasts.
Objection, so far our MC has been useless, but not spineless, he took a giant hammer impact for the home team. The fact that he is useless does not derive from his personality nor his physical stature, any normal human would be overwhelmed in the those circumstances.
This. Also, I don't know how you could see the protagonist being better if he were a girl instead...he/she still has the same exact personality. :confused:
Random Wanderer
2014-01-06, 22:45
No idea where you took that from.
Since frubam said "Kurashi" that's what I searched for. Place the word "kurashi" and the word "tanpopo" into a romaji to english translator and you get what I got. There's no way I could know what the actual characters for her name are, nor would I recognize them if I did see them.
Cloudedmind
2014-01-06, 22:47
I seriously doubt that. I've yet to see a single female who thinks "the bigger the better" without wanting to impress any melon brest fetishists.That's easy to understand, as there are a lot of problems that come with huge melon breasts (like e.g. back problems), so no woman would want to have them (if not impress others, as already said).
The absolutely only reason for Kagari's melon breasts is an attempt to raise sales by pandering to the melon breast fetishists.
I LOVE how you seem to know what every woman on the planet wants. The next time you decide to read my thoughts, let me know. I'll be more than happy to show you around.
Charlotte Belew
2014-01-06, 22:56
There's no way I could know what the actual characters for her name are, nor would I recognize them if I did see them.
You could simply take a look at the official page to find the kanji for her name:
http://www.witch-cw-anime.jp/kuraishi_tanpopo.html
There are even hiragana for those who aren't that good with kanji. Heck, baka gaijin who don't even know the simple hiragana could even take a look at the url which clearly spells out her name ;)
The next time you decide to read my thoughts, let me know. I'll be more than happy to show you around.
Thanks for the invitation, darling. I'll get back at you later ;)
mangamuscle
2014-01-06, 23:00
Since frubam said "Kurashi" that's what I searched for. Place the word "kurashi" and the word "tanpopo" into a romaji to english translator and you get what I got. There's no way I could know what the actual characters for her name are, nor would I recognize them if I did see them.
From my years of experience in this hobby, it is quite common for the mangaka to take a common word and add some weird kanji to it to make it exotic/funny, so IMO you did the correct procedure. If this was some serious literature the kanji would have some real meaning.
Male protagonist was awful in every way possible, which pissed me off quite a lot, almost enough to stop watching, but the weirdly cool fight scenes kept me going. It didn't stop it from being extremely average though. 3 episode rule here.
mangamuscle
2014-01-06, 23:07
The golden mean, medium size :D
TBT if every character had the same three sizes, height, weight, hair color and face it would be extremely boring/confusing. That is something WCW excels at, every character is diferent from another.
Not to mention (I hate to repeat myself) Kagari's exhuberant chest area goes quite well with her personality and general body size (you wont hear her say anything about back pains like other puny females >_< ).
Random Wanderer
2014-01-06, 23:26
You know, I didn't really notice that Kagari had particularly big breasts until people started making a fuss about it here and elsewhere. She seems... proportional.
Soliloquy
2014-01-06, 23:32
This one was pretty good. Unlike the other people wimpy male lead didn't bother me. Maybe he'll serve some purpose later on. The quality of CG simply goes over my head, I was just staring at the screen. I have to agree on one thing that the witches seem more attractive.
Anime Online
2014-01-06, 23:34
Passive boys who get hooked up with some beauty who just have to get close to them and won't take no for an answer is just a prevalent premise. Perhaps it's easier for the Japanese men to fantasize themselves in the role of these passive male characters whose unexplainable ufo-level charm magnetize women to them.
Why is Kagari so drawn to Honoka? They don't talk or anything, but she's just stuck to him from the get go. I believe it's playing on the wish fulfillment of an ordinary person who somehow draws the complete attention of the school idol/movie star/insanely attractive and popular character, which is also a common premise in Japanese/Korean/Taiwan romance dramas.
Hence, I believe there are marketing-related reasons why so many male leads are often spineless/passive/useless.
mangamuscle
2014-01-06, 23:46
Perhaps it's easier for the Japanese men to fantasize themselves in the role of these passive male characters whose unexplainable ufo-level charm magnetize women to them.
That is the where reality comes crashing down. If the premise was popular there would be tons of manga that dealt with said fantasy. TBT the japanese society is highly male oriented (a patriarchy in short) and even useless MC like Eren from Attack on Titan had a leash on the female lead (Mikasa) right from the start. The common phantasy of the japanese men is to be in control of a petit moe waifu. This pattern repeats again and again, no matter how powerful our female lead is, she will be subservient to the useless MC for whatever reason.
That is why I fear there will be some kind of backlash towards the series and I would not be surprised if someone attempted a kuroko or similar (at a smaller scale).
Myssa Rei
2014-01-06, 23:57
I seriously doubt that. I've yet to see a single female who thinks "the bigger the better" without wanting to impress any melon brest fetishists.
You've OBVIOUSLY not been following Saki at all, have you.
What would people have Honoka do in this situation though? "Man up"? Is he no good because he's not alpha male material? Not gar enough?
I find it interesting that no one really views Kagari as the main character, and instead they focus on how "useless" Honoka is.
I, for one, don't even bother with things like that (strictly speaking, only for this one). Its those AyakaxHonoka mushy, mushy moments that do it for me.
ellessarr
2014-01-07, 00:50
That is the where reality comes crashing down. If the premise was popular there would be tons of manga that dealt with said fantasy. TBT the japanese society is highly male oriented (a patriarchy in short) and even useless MC like Eren from Attack on Titan had a leash on the female lead (Mikasa) right from the start. The common phantasy of the japanese men is to be in control of a petit moe waifu. This pattern repeats again and again, no matter how powerful our female lead is, she will be subservient to the useless MC for whatever reason.
That is why I fear there will be some kind of backlash towards the series and I would not be surprised if someone attempted a kuroko or similar (at a smaller scale).
i was talking with a guy about this in another forum:
Pretty much this is a deeper cultural problem in Japan.
Young guys in Japan read stories about characters they relate to. I lived in the country a couple years, and have kept up on the news over there, and the younger generation is being basically neutered by a constantly bad economy with no pleasant job prospects, accompanied by escapism in video games, manga and porn (believe me - the porn culture over there is a lot more pervasive than in North America). The young Japanese male increasingly lives in a world devoid of any manly purpose. The pathetic indecisiveness of these male leads simply reflects the reality that the readership increasingly relates to personally. They feel their own lives are hopeless, and that nothing they do about life will matter anyway - so they escape in romance stories where the male lead doesn't do anything and is simply handed exciting (but ultimately shallow) relationships on a silver platter. Of course then, true to form, he can't make any decisions, the women do ALL the work in the relationship, and we're still supposed to award points to this human waste-of-space because he's "nice deep down inside."
This sort of story appeals to people who already feel hopeless and useless themselves, but are holding out the hope for someday getting a big lucky break.
that was the quote he give, basically the problem is who animes/manga/LN are "destroying" the manly in japan, since the young japaneses started to turn in hardcore otakus who just hate reallity and thing 2d world is better, then the anime/manga/ln marketing is worsing this giving more and more mcs like that to make the japaneses dream with this 2d life stile of spineless/trash/garbage man type of life.
in the previous season we have 2 exemples of that the mc of white album 2 and the mc of yusibo(raul)
and if you look back in otaku market this type of mc really start to great increase in the market a big amount of shounen mc are like that, specially the harem ones.
instead of the otaku market try to make the otakus avoid this "dream life" their dragging them more and more inside.
this is a big problem of handly wrong the things by otaku culture, a perfect exemple was the outbreak company we see all the negative effects on the peoples from the eldant peoples, their stopping want work, became too much addicted(like a drug).
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/young-512473-japan-one.html
http://skepticsplay.blogspot.com.br/2013/10/japanese-herbivore-men-hold-mirror-to.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men
basically the anime/manga/LN this being a reflection of this problem.
japaneses male are "turning in girls :p .
whitecloud
2014-01-07, 01:20
The knight is the woman and the princess is the man? I guess there is a reason she suddenly call him princess, reincarnation maybe? somehow their soul got swapped in the process the knight go to the female body, and the princess become a man....
Either by accident or some mischiveous god ( those erabe god..hahaha...choose, male knight body but with weak constitution or female sexy witch body but a very strong)
i was talking with a guy about this in another forum:
that was the quote he give, basically the problem is who animes/manga/LN are "destroying" the manly in japan, since the young japaneses started to turn in hardcore otakus who just hate reallity and thing 2d world is better, then the anime/manga/ln marketing is worsing this giving more and more mcs like that to make the japaneses dream with this 2d life stile of spineless/trash/garbage man type of life.
It's a bit more complex than that. Popular culture and media only reflect a more concrete problem.
Women in Japan are also incresingly foregoing the concept of marriage and starting a family. Getting married and having kids is a death knell for their careers, and couple this with life-long employment no longer a guarantee and an uncertain economy, more women are choosing to assert themselves and adapt in today's social climate.
Of course, while marriage and children for a lot of women is out of the question, relationships are another matter entirely, but then... there are other issues as your post demonstrates.
See also 'grass-eating' or herbivore men (and carnivore women).
Hmm the ending song was so catchy, any release date on them?:confused:
ellessarr
2014-01-07, 10:45
It's a bit more complex than that. Popular culture and media only reflect a more concrete problem.
Women in Japan are also incresingly foregoing the concept of marriage and starting a family. Getting married and having kids is a death knell for their careers, and couple this with life-long employment no longer a guarantee and an uncertain economy, more women are choosing to assert themselves and adapt in today's social climate.
Of course, while marriage and children for a lot of women is out of the question, relationships are another matter entirely, but then... there are other issues as your post demonstrates.
See also 'grass-eating' or herbivore men (and carnivore women).
basically boys are turning in girls and girls turning in boys lol, real life genderbender/crossdress :p, but like i told if the otaku culture instead of worsening the problem try to help to solve, make the males readers want have a real better life with manly mcs this could be helped reduce the problem or put it in control the problem than just turning in worse.
and obvious in real life no woman want a freaking spineless/no balls/coward man in their life, then this create this paradox, womans become more independant and strong but still want strong men(active) while the mans become less manly and cutting their balls and looking more feminine and looking for active girls since their start to become the "passive side" of the coin.
if this keep coming future hentais gonna be about focus on womans raping guys :p, and tentacles attacking mans and things like that.
now i think better this anime/manga is exactly a perfect reflection of this "herbivore man" problem, much more than others like to love ru , white album, yusibu.
Cloudedmind
2014-01-07, 10:49
Hmm the ending song was so catchy, any release date on them?:confused:
CD Japan has the release date as February 5th.
mangamuscle
2014-01-07, 11:08
but like i told if the otaku culture instead of worsening the problem try to help to solve, make the males readers want have a real better life with manly mcs this could be helped reduce the problem or put it in control the problem than just turning in worse.
At best this is wishful thinking. Otaku culture is not worsening the problem because it is otaku (the opposite of mainstream), meaning a low percentage of the population consumes it. Mainstream anime has a bunch of manly male role models, so I do not see anime as part of the problem.
Therefore, if japan passed a law that allowed only manly male leads (1984 much?) it would only affect a very vertical market (people watching anime broadcast after midnight) and would probably destroy the fragile DVD/BD anime market since many males would no longer buy complete series if they feel no affinity (or feel aversion) for the male lead and I do not see fujoshi buying Toriko like series.
But ellessarr does confirm my thoughts that some people might believe WCW is "corrupting the minds and souls of the new generations" :/
NoOneKnowS
2014-01-07, 11:15
What would people have Honoka do in this situation though? "Man up"? Is he no good because he's not alpha male material? Not gar enough?
I find it interesting that no one really views Kagari as the main character, and instead they focus on how "useless" Honoka is.
I don't know much if this was a manga or a novel, but I see this anime as shonen, so useless male lead=crappy, eventually he'll man up I guess, but I've seen this kind of things for way too many times it's getting sickening, same old formula. The only thing missing is for the main lead to act yandere to our fire queen and wallah, story and anime done.
ellessarr
2014-01-07, 11:30
At best this is wishful thinking. Otaku culture is not worsening the problem because it is otaku (the opposite of mainstream), meaning a low percentage of the population consumes it. Mainstream anime has a bunch of manly male role models, so I do not see anime as part of the problem.
Therefore, if japan passed a law that allowed only manly male leads (1984 much?) it would only affect a very vertical market (people watching anime broadcast after midnight) and would probably destroy the fragile DVD/BD anime market since many males would no longer buy complete series if they feel no affinity (or feel aversion) for the male lead and I do not see fujoshi buying Toriko like series.
But ellessarr does confirm my thoughts that some people might believe WCW is "corrupting the minds and souls of the new generations" :/
when i say otaku culture i talk more about the "hardcore ones", who are part of the root of the problem and maybe you not full reading the info or news or even really pay attention to all my posts, cuz like i told a guy lived some years in japan and him saw this, he saw japaneses guys, turning in shutup, or parasites and focus their life in buy mangas, animes, eroges(specially eroge) and things like that, the most popular LN are the ones with the "spineless mc",
otaku culture is spreading more this conception, we have material with manly guys but this material is more watch/read for really young guys(10 to 14 or 15 years) the problem is affecting guys between 16 and 39(who is exactly when their start to really know what means live and all difficulties), then instead of try to fight like the japanese where used to do their just give up and hide in the imaginary 2d world,(porn magazines and eroges).
otaku culture is not solely the root of all evil, but he also dont try to help solve it, or just keep feeding more the "herbivores one" instead of try to make them goes back to carnivore.
most of the top LN or a good amount of mangas or eroges are with slive of life or school life and shounen are about the "spineless" or some variation of them like kirito or raul(who are strong heroes but when comes to girls are just completly clichê ones) or like the most classic or i can say "the root" of the problem rito(from to love-ru series) i see many more modern mangas making reference about to love ru or rito when comes to spineless mcs or guys with poor social skills and very bad at handle with womans.
this is not just otaku by, in overall, aways merchandise, marketing, fashion and trend are rulling over the world in a globalized world.
mangamuscle
2014-01-07, 12:03
I don't know much if this was a manga or a novel, but I see this anime as shonen, so useless male lead=crappy, eventually he'll man up I guess, but I've seen this kind of things for way too many times it's getting sickening, same old formula. The only thing missing is for the main lead to act yandere to our fire queen and wallah, story and anime done.
I think you missed the point in Solace question, lets see:
1) Building falls over you out of nowhere! What is the manly thing to do? run? that is not manly. Shout at it? that is stupid.
2) Army of mecha-bunnies attempts to decapitate you! What is the manly thing to do? run? that is not manly. Start delivering punches and kicks? That is stupid, they are made of metal, even a real life martial artists would not damage them.
So far our male lead has not been in a position where he has an option to "man up" and people easily confuse being useless in an overwhelming situation to being spineless/crappy.
this is not just otaku by, in overall, aways merchandise, marketing, fashion and trend are rulling over the world in a globalized world.
I fail to see uncool males in any of said venues of advertising (outside of the vertical otaku market).
I have read what you have said so far but that does not change my view that anime/manga is a mere reflection of reality, not the cause/cure.
ellessarr
2014-01-07, 12:17
I fail to see uncool males in any of said venues of advertising (outside of the vertical otaku market).
I have read what you have said so far but that does not change my view that anime/manga is a mere reflection of reality, not the cause/cure.
cuz if you really looking/search for infos about japanese life style, culture and issues you will see a lot then being related to the otaku culture itself and again i'm not saying who this is the only cause or the root but, the way of otaku culture keep using this more and more in his favor only help the things worse or spread more
if you really do a good search about japan and his problems you can see this.
and otaku culture i dont see as a just "vertical" since the otaku culture is easy being spread along the world is much more like a inverted pyramid or a snowball falling, i'm not saying who the otaku culture by itself is bad but how her is being used is what is bad, like making the "herbivore life style being good", is the same if let' me say i see a crazy/weird guy eating shit then this give me a vib of i can gain money with this and start to spread the idea of eat shit being good and things like that, instead of also show the disgusting/bad side i only try to show/make look "how good this can be".
i dont have problem with otaku culture itself, what bug me is how creep/weird/disgusting he can go for the sake of "sales" and money.
NoOneKnowS
2014-01-07, 12:42
I think you missed the point in Solace question, lets see:
1) Building falls over you out of nowhere! What is the manly thing to do? run? that is not manly. Shout at it? that is stupid.
2) Army of mecha-bunnies attempts to decapitate you! What is the manly thing to do? run? that is not manly. Start delivering punches and kicks? That is stupid, they are made of metal, even a real life martial artists would not damage them.
So far our male lead has not been in a position where he has an option to "man up" and people easily confuse being useless in an overwhelming situation to being spineless/crappy.
That's why I said "eventually", w/c is a common thing going on in these kind of shows wherein a spineless male lead eventually becomes some uber powered character or gain some special ablities whatnot.
And of course the main lead hasn't been in the position to "man up" yet. Looking at ep 1 before his "life-changing" events occured to thim. He seems not to be even trying.
Kaoru Chujo
2014-01-07, 12:52
We can talk about the male lead, but perhaps I'm more interested in the female lead. The strong, enormous, caring, impassive female lead. "Spineless" male leads are one thing. But this is a full role reversal, which is much more interesting to me. So far.
And in any case, I consider gar shounen heroes to be boring childish fantasies, so there's that. My theory is that the various genres of anime and manga are each basically aimed at the fantasies of children at certain ages: shounen for pre-pubescent ten-twelve year olds trying to establish their egos; seinen for 15-year-olds just discovering they are sexual beings, etc. At least most otaku are mentally 15, lol.
I suppose it's okay to talk, as the most dangerously old-fashioned Japanese do, about the rotting of the young generation (or at least of some of them). But I'd also like to look at just how unbearable Japanese society (even more than other societies) can be. The enormous social pressure, the exam hell, the conformity that everyone is supposed to long for, the disdain for what is different. If I had been born in Japan, I think I would have become one of those Japanese who heads for the West as soon as possible, to escape the pressure-cooker and find what looks from a distance like freedom.
Sure, there are psychological and social problems to having a lot of hikikomori, but real jobs (in Japanese terms) are in short supply, so some people's options are limited: be a despised shut-in or a despised freeter, always looked at askance by your parents, who expected more of you. Is it better to go to work cleaning out the Fukushima reactor on freeter wages, as some men have been doing? There may be better ways of fleeing than into stereotypical manga/anime and porn, but I can't help sympathizing with hikikomori otaku (until I read what they write in some 2channel threads, lol).
Anh_Minh
2014-01-07, 13:40
What would people have Honoka do in this situation though? "Man up"? Is he no good because he's not alpha male material? Not gar enough?
I find it interesting that no one really views Kagari as the main character, and instead they focus on how "useless" Honoka is.
These days, I'm reading something with a Boring Invincible Hero MC. It doesn't help, the submissiveness of the women around him is still creepy.
Re: Japan's birthrates. The problem isn't otaku, or anime. The problem is that, in general, people aren't complete idiots. They look at the time, effort and money it takes to form and maintain a relationship, plus what it takes to raise children, then they look at the benefits, and a lot of them conclude "not worth the hassle". A few animes with a sex-obsessed potential rapist MC aren't going to change that.
Triple_R
2014-01-07, 13:40
I largely enjoyed the first episode. The action scenes were good. Kagari is a very cool character so far. However, what I really want to focus on is Honoka.
It's funny that some people are talking about how he's somehow representative of everything that's wrong with modern anime male leads when he wasn't even intended to be a male character to begin with. :heh: And reading that revelation on this thread was a big eye-opener to me (i.e. the revelation that Honoka was originally a female character). It lets me see things that I now cannot unsee. It so completely explains some scenes and pieces of dialogue that initially felt a bit strange or off to me.
Before I get into that, let me say that Honoka is not wimpy. He did try fighting back at least once, and his shock and surprise at the bizarre circumstances assailing him makes perfect sense.
However, Honoka is very feminine. I don't say this to be critical of his character, but to make an observation. It seems likely to me that a bare minimum was changed when Honoka was gender-changed into a guy. Now I will look at a couple scenes and pieces of dialogue that I find very interesting in that regard:
1) First, dialogue beginning at 9:56.
"It was my fault for falling into their trap. You should've left me. Why would you get your hair burnt for someone like me? Your hair is... Your hair is... Your hair is a divine wonder bestowed upon you!"
This shows a remarkable degree of emotional openness on Honoka's part given how he barely even knows Kagari. It's quite atypical for an anime male lead conversing with the female lead in the very first episode. An anime male character valuing a girl's hair over his own life is also very odd. :heh: So this was one bit that really raised eyebrows for me... until I learned that Honoka was initially a female character. Now I get it.
Kagari/Honoka would have come across like the ultimate fusion between Homura/Madoka and Mari-Mite's Sachiko/Yumi if Honoka had remained a girl. Kagari would be the strong, protective, pragmatic onee-san looking out for her cute, girly, feminine Princess that in turn admires Kagari's beauty. Honoka's alarm of "You let your hair burn for my sake?!" feels much more natural as a comment coming from a female deeply admiring her beautiful Onee-san than it does as a comment coming from a guy that simply finds her attractive. Honoka's words to Kagari here is something very much in line with what I could imagine Yumi saying to Sachiko if similar circumstances arose in Mari-Mite.
2) Then there's the disagreement between Kagari and Honoka between 15:09 and 15:45. In this scene, Honoka is actually being remarkably reasonable and socially aware for an anime male lead. The disagreement between him and Kagari here reminds me again of similar ones between Yumi and Sachiko in Mari-Mite. It's all about reading the social atmosphere, acting with prudence, acting with discretion. Most anime male leads would either be too hot-headed or too clueless or both to take Honoka's actions here.
In addition to the above two scenes, there is a remarkable lack of sexual tension between Kagari and Honoka. There's barely any blushing at all, and not the slightest hint of perversion on his part. That seemed a bit odd to me during the episode, but it fits perfectly with Honoka originally being wrote as a female character interacting with another female character.
While I do like the total gender role reversal put on display here, I also can't help but think that making Honoka a guy was a mistake. As a girl, "she'd" come across as being prudent and nuanced. Her moments of self-loathing mixed in with openly admiring Kagari would come across as touching and maybe even moe. It would send the hearts of yuri fans aflutter.
But as a guy, Honoka hits a bit too closely to what many anime viewers dislike about modern anime male leads. But the funny thing is that it's not due to him living down to the perceived low standards of modern anime male leads, but rather due to how he was clearly written with a feminine voice and mannerisms back when he was conceived/wrote as a female character.
All of the above being said, I find this all strangely fascinating. I keep re-imagining scenes with Honoka as a cute twin-tails female character, and it makes some of these scenes work so much better. It's going to be fun to have my own 'What if he was a girl?' head-canon running alongside the actual canon while I watch this show. :heh:
In any event, I still like the show. The evil mechanical rabbit-army is indeed loads of fun. The action scenes are explosive and imaginative. But yeah, such a shame that Honoka didn't stay a girl. This would have been Madoka Magica meets Mari-Mite if he had, and those are two of my all-time favorite anime shows.
ellessarr
2014-01-07, 13:57
These days, I'm reading something with a Boring Invincible Hero MC. It doesn't help, the submissiveness of the women around him is still creepy.
Re: Japan's birthrates. The problem isn't otaku, or anime. The problem is that, in general, people aren't complete idiots. They look at the time, effort and money it takes to form and maintain a relationship, plus what it takes to raise children, then they look at the benefits, and a lot of them conclude "not worth the hassle". A few animes with a sex-obsessed potential rapist MC aren't going to change that.
thats another big problem, we can't go in a full extreme opposite side, like or a spineless/gay mc x a rapist
we have the middle term, someone with problems but this dont means who he must be "assexued" or not think in real womans or just look to 2d womans, we have good exemple of mc with a more "normal personality", who have their own problems but this not a excuse for him to become a "i hate/fear girls/womans".
e.g. we have banri in golden time, he not a full spineless mc neither a rapist, another exemple the guy in toradora not was neither spineless neither rapist, natsu from fairy tail, aoi tori from kyoukai senjo no horizon or the guy from kyoukai no kanata or even yuta from chunibyou, we have many good exemples of how you can make a good mc(at last for romance) without being a chickening "herbivore" or neither a rapist like akatsuki from hagura yuusha(a extreme case of very bad mc who really looks like a rape hentai mc).
is possible to do good works (comedy, action, romance) without need resort on this "stereotype/clichê type of mc or you can work with them but make then learn to improve by themselfs not by the girls, who is exactly the big problem.
going back to the anime as a manga reader too i can say who he not exactly the full spineless/coward mc like guys like raul or others generic mcs, he just a "normal person" dragged in a magic world, unless their change the plot.
i also like the fact of the whole "role reverse" with a damsel in distress guy and a badass girls, it's much more funny than a yuri or a clichê shounen route.
mangamuscle
2014-01-07, 14:29
1) First, dialogue beginning at 9:56.
Having read all of the manga, seeing this scene animated and hearing Takamiya's say those words to Kagari was touching and made a lot of sense; I can't say the reason because that would be a manga spoiler, but you nailed it in your first sentence of the paragraph. Whether the mangaka wrote that dialogue knowing what woould come later or was a retrofit is hard to say since the manga was bimonthly for a long time and only recently became monthly, so the mangaka has had lots of time to polish or retrofit the plot line.
2) Then there's the disagreement between Kagari and Honoka between 15:09 and 15:45.
Again, can't a male lead not be hot-headed or clueless with the woman they love without raising eyebrows?
Cloudedmind
2014-01-07, 15:01
I want to go read the manga now. Are translations of it horribly behind the Japanese release?
Personally, even as a woman I found Honoka's line about Kagari's hair eyebrow raising, and if Honoka had in fact been a girl I would have groaned and rolled my eyes, and put it off as typical female stereotyping. It's like the shits hitting the fan and all you can focus on is a few singed hairs.
With that said I really like Honoka, just the way HE is. I find him cute, endearing, and rather realistic or as realistic as a character can be in this type of show and setting. I don't find him spineless at all, there's not a whole lot he could have done, and he did actually try to protect Kagari once, and this was after he'd already witnessed her burning most of those rabbits to a crisp so she really didn't need his help.
mangamuscle
2014-01-07, 15:09
I want to go read the manga now. Are translations of it horribly behind the Japanese release?
Scanlated up to chapter 25 vs 30 raw (with 31 probably hitting the stores this week).
cuz if you really looking/search for infos about japanese life style, culture and issues you will see a lot then being related to the otaku culture itself and again i'm not saying who this is the only cause or the root but, the way of otaku culture keep using this more and more in his favor only help the things worse or spread more
if you really do a good search about japan and his problems you can see this.
and otaku culture i dont see as a just "vertical" since the otaku culture is easy being spread along the world is much more like a inverted pyramid or a snowball falling, i'm not saying who the otaku culture by itself is bad but how her is being used is what is bad, like making the "herbivore life style being good", is the same if let' me say i see a crazy/weird guy eating shit then this give me a vib of i can gain money with this and start to spread the idea of eat shit being good and things like that, instead of also show the disgusting/bad side i only try to show/make look "how good this can be".
i dont have problem with otaku culture itself, what bug me is how creep/weird/disgusting he can go for the sake of "sales" and money.
I think you overestimate how important otaku culture is. Sure, it makes up a good chunk of popular media over there, but in general otaku (and fujoshi) are just another subculture in Japan... at least the last time I lived there. Being an otaku isn't exactly something you could easily consider as 'ideal bachelor material' in general.
Kaoru explains it better, that the social problems of Japan brought about by social pressures to succeed and settle down in an uncertain economy are forcing changes and altering views on lifestyle. Men and women are refusing to marry because it isn't worth it anymore, the social and economic pressure is too much, stress and so on... Population growth is down. In this day and age, the youth are disillusioned about their future, and the old models of men with lifelong employment supporting their families or housewives living stable and content lives are no longer a sure thing, something which can perhaps be also said of other countries.
I think it's more of a case of trends in popular culture and media reflecting and addressing these issues rather than perpetuating them, though that too is also happening to a certain degree. After all, anime and manga have been here for decades, but the direction of trends change with the spirit of the times.
Cloudedmind
2014-01-07, 15:23
Scanlated up to chapter 25 vs 30 raw (with 31 probably hitting the stores this week).
Thanks, so not that far behind.
Love this show so far. My only problem is with Kagari's chest size. Even those have to obey the law of diminishing returns, and their size has passed the optimal point.
I like the way Kagari dealt with her own violent fan club in the hallway. Instead of verbally chastising them for the way they treat Honoka, she simply showed her care and affections for Honoka in front of everybody. I LOLed when she put all of their bentos on fire after Honoka left. She likes to speak with her actions rather than words.
Triple_R
2014-01-07, 20:43
Again, can't a male lead not be hot-headed or clueless with the woman they love without raising eyebrows?
Well, I don't think it's a huge deal. It's just that I've seen these sorts of conversations more with yuri than het.
I think that Honoka is still a good, or at least a decent, character. I just really wonder how this show would be/feel different if they had kept Honoka's original gender from the original narrative conception.
Charlotte Belew
2014-01-07, 21:35
TBT if every character had the same three sizes, height, weight, hair color and face it would be extremely boring/confusing.
lolwtf dude? I was only talking about the breast size. Why did you suddenly pull the other two sizes out of your hat, and then weight, hair color and face on top of it? Just an attempt to make me look stupid? :rolleyes:
Not to mention (I hate to repeat myself) Kagari's exhuberant chest area goes quite well with her personality and general body size (you wont hear her say anything about back pains like other puny females >_< ).
Kagaris back pains are the reason for her urge to have other things go up in flames :p
Why is Kagari so drawn to Honoka? They don't talk or anything, but she's just stuck to him from the get go.
I've read neither LN nor manga, but I think it's because he's got some super power which hasn't awakened yet.
He isn't a spineless wimp, as some said, as he did try to do something, but it was totally futile without the powers he'll probably soon have.
You've OBVIOUSLY not been following Saki at all, have you.
No, I haven't. I've watched the beginning, but soon came to the conclusion that it's not much fun watching when you don't know anything about Mah Jong.
Saki's breasts aren't as oversized as Kagari's, however.
Love this show so far. My only problem is with Kagari's chest size. Even those have to obey the law of diminishing returns, and their size has passed the optimal point.
Yes, her breasts are definitely a long way past the optimal size.
I like the way Kagari dealt with her own violent fan club in the hallway. Instead of verbally chastising them for the way they treat Honoka, she simply showed her care and affections for Honoka in front of everybody. I LOLed when she put all of their bentos on fire after Honoka left. She likes to speak with her actions rather than words.
Smart idea because actions like this are often more effective than words.
ellessarr
2014-01-07, 22:29
well about this "breast size problem.
remember in real life every person have a different taste specially the woman then just remember to respect this, just because you dont like big breast this dont means who other peoples also must dont like or even womans can't or dont like it, i know some womans who like their big breasts it's just a matter of taste.
the case of the main girl of this serie i dont see her breast being that big compared with her size, the girl from sonic anime have a much more hugh brest than her compared with her size.
Triple_R
2014-01-07, 22:42
I can understand people having an aesthetic preference for breasts smaller than Kagari's, but it shouldn't be that big of a deal. This is because...
1) Kagari is big all-over. She's really tall, and her face is long (not to the point of detracting from her general beauty, but you can tell she has a long face). She's a big young woman. Complaining about Kagari's breast size honestly makes me think of someone complaining about the size of Shaquille O'Neal's hands. :heh:
2) The anime isn't being obnoxious about it. At all. There's no "boing boing" going on, or Honoka focusing a lot on her breasts. She's not being fanserviced up. At all.
ellessarr
2014-01-07, 22:45
I can understand people having an aesthetic preference for breasts smaller than Kagari's, but it shouldn't be that big of a deal. This is because...
1) Kagari is big all-over. She's really tall, and her face is long (not to the point of detracting from her general beauty, but you can tell she has a long face). She's a big young woman. Complaining about Kagari's breast size honestly makes me think of someone complaining about the size of Shaquille O'Neal's hands. :heh:
2) The anime isn't being obnoxious about it. At all. There's no "boing boing" going on, or Honoka focusing a lot on her breasts. She's not being fanserviced up. At all.
exactly this she a big woman, really big compared with others anime girls, then her breast size are exactly on what she must be not being a little cup but a medium cup for her height.
edit: maybe we have some famous "flat chested girls jealous" characters peoples who can't burden the fact who exist breats big than them :p .
miroku2192
2014-01-07, 22:54
I largely enjoyed the first episode. The action scenes were good. Kagari is a very cool character so far. However, what I really want to focus on is Honoka.
It's funny that some people are talking about how he's somehow representative of everything that's wrong with modern anime male leads when he wasn't even intended to be a male character to begin with. :heh: And reading that revelation on this thread was a big eye-opener to me (i.e. the revelation that Honoka was originally a female character). It lets me see things that I now cannot unsee. It so completely explains some scenes and pieces of dialogue that initially felt a bit strange or off to me.
Before I get into that, let me say that Honoka is not wimpy. He did try fighting back at least once, and his shock and surprise at the bizarre circumstances assailing him makes perfect sense.
However, Honoka is very feminine. I don't say this to be critical of his character, but to make an observation. It seems likely to me that a bare minimum was changed when Honoka was gender-changed into a guy. Now I will look at a couple scenes and pieces of dialogue that I find very interesting in that regard:
1) First, dialogue beginning at 9:56.
"It was my fault for falling into their trap. You should've left me. Why would you get your hair burnt for someone like me? Your hair is... Your hair is... Your hair is a divine wonder bestowed upon you!"
This shows a remarkable degree of emotional openness on Honoka's part given how he barely even knows Kagari. It's quite atypical for an anime male lead conversing with the female lead in the very first episode. An anime male character valuing a girl's hair over his own life is also very odd. :heh: So this was one bit that really raised eyebrows for me... until I learned that Honoka was initially a female character. Now I get it.
Kagari/Honoka would have come across like the ultimate fusion between Homura/Madoka and Mari-Mite's Sachiko/Yumi if Honoka had remained a girl. Kagari would be the strong, protective, pragmatic onee-san looking out for her cute, girly, feminine Princess that in turn admires Kagari's beauty. Honoka's alarm of "You let your hair burn for my sake?!" feels much more natural as a comment coming from a female deeply admiring her beautiful Onee-san than it does as a comment coming from a guy that simply finds her attractive. Honoka's words to Kagari here is something very much in line with what I could imagine Yumi saying to Sachiko if similar circumstances arose in Mari-Mite.
2) Then there's the disagreement between Kagari and Honoka between 15:09 and 15:45. In this scene, Honoka is actually being remarkably reasonable and socially aware for an anime male lead. The disagreement between him and Kagari here reminds me again of similar ones between Yumi and Sachiko in Mari-Mite. It's all about reading the social atmosphere, acting with prudence, acting with discretion. Most anime male leads would either be too hot-headed or too clueless or both to take Honoka's actions here.
In addition to the above two scenes, there is a remarkable lack of sexual tension between Kagari and Honoka. There's barely any blushing at all, and not the slightest hint of perversion on his part. That seemed a bit odd to me during the episode, but it fits perfectly with Honoka originally being wrote as a female character interacting with another female character.
While I do like the total gender role reversal put on display here, I also can't help but think that making Honoka a guy was a mistake. As a girl, "she'd" come across as being prudent and nuanced. Her moments of self-loathing mixed in with openly admiring Kagari would come across as touching and maybe even moe. It would send the hearts of yuri fans aflutter.
But as a guy, Honoka hits a bit too closely to what many anime viewers dislike about modern anime male leads. But the funny thing is that it's not due to him living down to the perceived low standards of modern anime male leads, but rather due to how he was clearly written with a feminine voice and mannerisms back when he was conceived/wrote as a female character.
All of the above being said, I find this all strangely fascinating. I keep re-imagining scenes with Honoka as a cute twin-tails female character, and it makes some of these scenes work so much better. It's going to be fun to have my own 'What if he was a girl?' head-canon running alongside the actual canon while I watch this show. :heh:
In any event, I still like the show. The evil mechanical rabbit-army is indeed loads of fun. The action scenes are explosive and imaginative. But yeah, such a shame that Honoka didn't stay a girl. This would have been Madoka Magica meets Mari-Mite if he had, and those are two of my all-time favorite anime shows.
If anything, there is probably going to be some plot twist later where he gets turned into a girl ;P. As in, he is actually a witch himself, and a strong one / princess as he is often called, and was cursed to live in a guy's body or something.
That would explain a lot!
In any case, I liked the first episode! The bunnies were hilarious
1) Kagari is big all-over. She's really tall, and her face is long (not to the point of detracting from her general beauty, but you can tell she has a long face). She's a big young woman. Complaining about Kagari's breast size honestly makes me think of someone complaining about the size of Shaquille O'Neal's hands. :heh:
2) The anime isn't being obnoxious about it. At all. There's no "boing boing" going on, or Honoka focusing a lot on her breasts. She's not being fanserviced up. At all.
1) I actually find the traits in Kagari's character concept to be an interesting mix of opposites. First of all, she's this Amazonian woman who is tall and physically fit and strong, yet she's very stoic and calm in her mannerisms. She uses fire magic and burns her enemies, but she does so in a very cool, cold and almost detached fashion.
2) This is what I also find interesting. Despite Kagari's large chest, the story has hardly been fixated on it as you would expect in a situation that would usually be a gold mine for fanservice... not even in the manga (though her chest seems bigger in the anime to be honest, while she's actually around a full head taller than Honoka in the manga). She's not flaunting her assets. She's just built that way.
If anything, there is probably going to be some plot twist later where he gets turned into a girl ;P. As in, he is actually a witch himself, and a strong one / princess as he is often called, and was cursed to live in a guy's body or something.
You'll just have to wait and see, but I'm so tempted to make a comment in response to that.
Triple_R
2014-01-07, 22:55
If anything, there is probably going to be some plot twist later where he gets turned into a girl ;P. As in, he is actually a witch himself, and a strong one / princess as he is often called, and was cursed to live in a guy's body or something.
That would explain a lot!
It might be cool if he has a magical girl transformation - He's female when powered up but a guy otherwise. :heh:
I've only seen that sort of thing once before, and it was a long time ago.
Myssa Rei
2014-01-07, 23:07
No, I haven't. I've watched the beginning, but soon came to the conclusion that it's not much fun watching when you don't know anything about Mah Jong.
Saki's breasts aren't as oversized as Kagari's, however.
Not Saki herself, but do Google Iwato Kasumi to see what I mean.
And others have mentioned, Kagari is a HUGE girl. In the anime she's half a head taller than Honoka, but after going through the manga I'm shocked that this aspect of her was actually lessened -- in the manga she literally towers over everyone, even her own mother, and Honoka barely reaches her shoulders. For such a big teenager, her breast size actually makes more sense. The art style however, with its preference for thin waists, just accentuates her bust line.
mangamuscle
2014-01-07, 23:08
It might be cool if he has a magical girl transformation - He's female when powered up but a guy otherwise. :heh:
For those yearning for a male lead to become a powerful female you can see Twin Tail ni Narimasu (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=123524), move along, move along, nothing to see here ...
The art style however, with its preference for thin waists, just accentuates her bust line.
... and her hips, nobody has said anything about her glorious caboose!
While I do like the total gender role reversal put on display here, I also can't help but think that making Honoka a guy was a mistake. As a girl, "she'd" come across as being prudent and nuanced. Her moments of self-loathing mixed in with openly admiring Kagari would come across as touching and maybe even moe.
To be honest, I think Honoka is perfectly moe as a male character, perhaps even more so. There's a nice gap between his physical traits of overt masculinity and his feminine reactions to everything that works without being over the top and played as a gag. (His most moe sequence was grabbing on to Honoka's shoulder during the princess carry scene when she initially saved him from the falling clock tower. A close second was him panicking and wanting to call an ambulance after she was impaled.)
The traits you listed as THE standard for yuri protagonists (and shoujo protagonists in general) to the point of being hoary cliche. I'm sorry, I just can't get excited over a twin-tailed, ordinary girl with low self esteem swooning over her oneesama (or prince) after seeing it countless times before. Again, I'm far from opposed to yuri anime and manga, but with this particular set up and these particular character types? Nah.
I remember reading a bit of the manga once, so I'm happy this got animated. The story doesn't take itself too seriously and Kagari is an unconventional heroine, so should be a fun watch.
SidVicious
2014-01-08, 12:52
She's cute. :)
I have 195cm, so to me she's not that big.
Triple_R
2014-01-08, 13:24
So Kagari is 6'4''... That's about my height (I'm between 6'3'' and 6'4''). I don't think I've ever met a girl or woman as tall as I am, so Kagari is taller than any girl or woman I've ever met in real life.
ZodiacBeast
2014-01-08, 13:30
So Kagari is 6'4''... That's about my height (I'm between 6'3'' and 6'4''). I don't think I've ever met a girl or woman as tall as I am, so Kagari is taller than any girl or woman I've ever met in real life.
I'm 6'1 and have never met a woman past about two or three inches shorter than me.
I wouldn't mind meeting a Kagari in real life.
Cloudedmind
2014-01-08, 13:35
It would almost be like dating Brooke Shields who's 6'.
Or these girls who are 6'8" actually making them four inches taller then Kagari. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YKim4M9t7Q With Konoka pretty much being the guy with the yellow jacket standing directly next to Tyra, who's 5'10" without heels.
So Kagari is 6'4''... That's about my height (I'm between 6'3'' and 6'4''). I don't think I've ever met a girl or woman as tall as I am, so Kagari is taller than any girl or woman I've ever met in real life.
I'm 6'1, I've met 3 Women taller than I am. One was 6'6" or so (and pregnant at the time, if you don't think that looked a little different than normal...).
They are, however, very rare. Unless you attend WNBA games.
mangamuscle
2014-01-08, 13:42
I wouldn't mind meeting a Kagari in real life.
You might want to reconsider since Kagari is the autentic lone wolf (not a chunnibyou poser), she has tons of fans but no friends. She is so lonely I think the cannon fodder gives her the social interaction to keep her humanity O_o; So any person that aproaches her would probably be ignored or be considered as a threat in her relationship with Takamiya (and dealt acordingly).
Anh_Minh
2014-01-08, 13:46
It would almost be like dating Brooke Shields who's 6'.
Or these girls who are 6'8" actually making them four inches taller then Kagari. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YKim4M9t7Q With Konoka pretty much being the guy with the yellow jacket standing directly next to Tyra, who's 5'10" without heels.
Not really. 6' is like a tall(-ish) guy. Kagari's a lot taller than that, so unless you're even taller, which isn't given to every guy, she's going to be taller than you.
Also: wow, so many tall guys in this thread. I'm feeling short.
You might want to reconsider since Kagari is the autentic lone wolf (not a chunnibyou poser), she has tons of fans but no friends. She is so lonely I think the cannon fodder gives her the social interaction to keep her humanity O_o; So any person that aproaches her would probably be ignored or be considered as a threat in her relationship with Takamiya (and dealt acordingly).
Yes, but the advantage of her being so tall is that you can admire her from afar. No risk of losing her in the crowd.
Cloudedmind
2014-01-08, 13:53
Not really. 6' is like a tall(-ish) guy. Kagari's a lot taller than that, so unless you're even taller, which isn't given to every guy, she's going to be taller than you.
Also: wow, so many tall guys in this thread. I'm feeling short.
Yes, but the advantage of her being so tall is that you can admire her from afar. No risk of losing her in the crowd.
That's why I said almost.;) And then referenced even taller girls.
ZodiacBeast
2014-01-08, 13:54
You might want to reconsider since Kagari is the autentic lone wolf (not a chunnibyou poser), she has tons of fans but no friends. She is so lonely I think the cannon fodder gives her the social interaction to keep her humanity O_o; So any person that aproaches her would probably be ignored or be considered as a threat in her relationship with Takamiya (and dealt acordingly).
I don't want to take Takamiya as part of the deal! Ugh.
Anyways, I wouldn't mind it if we were just friends but I doubt that she's anything like completely socially withdrawn. I do think that she's extremely focused on protecting Takamiya and that she doesn't seem to consider doing anything but that. I admit (again) that I haven't read the manga and if it's mentioned there then I apologize.
I think that part of why she's withdrawn is the UNBELIEVABLY annoying posse she attracted. I think she decided that she didn't want to talk to anybody the first day and when everybody fell for her she just went with it.
Tempest35
2014-01-08, 14:07
Hah, I'm 5'7" so Kagari is almost a full foot taller than me...:heh: But this just means that I'll have a nice cushion to rest against when I lean back. :3 Yes, that's the first thing I think of when I see taller women.... >.>
And to ZodiacBeast: even the best of intentions can become corrupted.
aiuewatcher
2014-01-08, 14:11
Umm...Honoka, such a girly name :p
ZodiacBeast
2014-01-08, 14:12
And to ZodiacBeast: even the best of intentions can become corrupted.
Huh? I'm not going to turn into a witch, I promise you!
mangamuscle
2014-01-08, 17:08
I'm 6'1, I've met 3 Women taller than I am. One was 6'6" or so (and pregnant at the time, if you don't think that looked a little different than normal...).
They are, however, very rare. Unless you attend WNBA games.
.... or join Tall Club interntational (http://tall.org/join-tci-main/how-to-join/) (no, I don't have the required height)
But this just means that I'll have a nice cushion to rest against when I lean back. :3
... or maybe you will bounce of her rock hard abs! :-p this is an assumption (if Miakasa can, Kagari can do better IMO) , so far there has been no beach or hot springs episode (damn!) and at the compressed rate this is going there will be no filler (hopefully they will make a filler ova with said fanservice episode ;)
Huh? I'm not going to turn into a witch, I promise you!
Just in case, a male witch is called a Warlock (albeit I do not remember that word being used in the manga). But who knows, maybe you have already turned another forum member into a newt, we will have to throw you into a lake to see if you are made out of wood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g). Why? Because nobody expects the spanish inquisition! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tym0MObFpTI) :D
Random Wanderer
2014-01-08, 17:15
Just in case, a male witch is called a Warlock (albeit I do not remember that word being used in the manga).
I don't think the Japanese term for witch is gender-specific.
You know, just looking at the OP there seem to be way too many characters to meaningfully develop in a one-cour series.
ZodiacBeast
2014-01-08, 17:20
Just in case, a male witch is called a Warlock (albeit I do not remember that word being used in the manga). But who knows, maybe you have already turned another forum member into a newt, we will have to throw you into a lake to see if you are made out of wood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g). Why? Because nobody expects the spanish inquisition! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tym0MObFpTI) :D
Homu-homu~
As for being "compressed" I really hope they adapt what material they have available and wrap it up with an ending that makes sense. In other words don't have a non-ending but don't tie thing up so tightly that nothing could come afterwards. I hope they find a natural "breaking point".
And I eagerly anticipate my fanservice OVA.
You know, just looking at the OP there seem to be way too many characters to meaningfully develop in a one-cour series.
I noticed that too. Maybe we'll get a season 2 someday once the manga's progressed.
greensoulreaper
2014-01-08, 17:21
What do you mean!? Later on we get Saber, Poplar, Shana, Lucy & Ezra (from Fairy Tail).
Well, at least not for main characters, I'm happy with that variation.:)
Tempest35
2014-01-08, 17:21
Huh? I'm not going to turn into a witch, I promise you!
Well, I was referring to the situation surrounding Kagari at school but sure, thanks for the reassurance. :p :)
mangamuscle
2014-01-08, 17:24
I don't think the Japanese term for witch is gender-specific.
Somebody please correct me If I am wrong but I think the manga/anime is using the english term ウィッチ instead of the japanese ones 魔法少女/魔女 which makes sense since they are going with the full hats/brooms/familiars paraphernalia western witches are known to use.
You know, just looking at the OP there seem to be way too many characters to meaningfully develop in a one-cour series.
This is where the skills of the adaption team will shine (or come crashing in flames *cough* Maoyū Maō Yūsha *cough*).
ZodiacBeast
2014-01-08, 17:27
Well, I was referring to the situation surrounding Kagari at school but sure, thanks for the reassurance. :p :)
What you meant flew over my head until I thought about if for a little bit. I was referring to my "I wouldn't mind just being her friend" line since it would hurt to be friendzoned if she existed. I haven't found many anime characters like Kagari so I was quite taken with her...well, as much as you can think a drawing is attractive in a rational way.
I was basically saying that I wouldn't let my anger that she wouldn't reciprocate my feelings cloud my judgement...or Grief Seed.
mangamuscle
2014-01-08, 17:34
...well, as much as you can think a drawing is attractive in a rational way.
This of course calls for a Genshiken reference (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVUOvHYv3ME)! *insert maniac laughter here*
blitz1/2
2014-01-08, 22:33
Yuri makes everything better.
Disagree, twincest makes everything better.
Yuri makes everything better.
Disagree, twincest makes everything better.
These two statements aren't mutually exclusive. I'm not sure I agree, but I defend your right to want both. ;)
Sinestra
2014-01-09, 16:17
I found the first episode very enjoyable and i love things are not always what they seem. I had some very good laughs and i happen to think the animation is nicely put together. I couldnt help but to crack up at the army of mechanized bunnies lol. Im thinking i like this so much because it kind of reminds me of Maburaho.
http://i.imgur.com/vQtqMqKl.jpg (http://imgur.com/vQtqMqK)
MisaoFan
2014-01-12, 09:01
The second episode is going pretty interesting. I like that although somewhat odd for a show with lot of female characters, most of them are basically enemy pawns that tries to target the main pairing, it was hilarious. I like that Honoka's bond with Kagari is pretty good and isn't overfilled with jealously from other females and enjoy spending together, especially Kagari who shows indifference towards anyone (other than Honoka) and prefers them to shut up. I love the animation and everything that the show had (the fight scenes are majestic), it's very great for a show of its genre and it had a chance of becoming my season' major surprises.
Awesome episode. Those tower witches are hilarious. Nice ED additions as well, I was thinking there was a lot of extra background space so I'm not surprised they are adding the characters as they appear. I'm very glad that they are sticking so closely to the manga (even burst out laughing that they added the picture scene after the ED). While Kagari's fire isn't exactly how it was depicted in the source I did notice they are starting to add little details to the fire animation (and faces lol). Also, it's a lot of fun trying to see how many times Takamiya's sister is placed somewhere in the background. I only spotted her twice in the first episode but I've lost count of how many times she showed up by the end of this episode. Ugh, the wait for episode 3 will kill me.
Well, ep 2 was not all that bad, I guess - maybe a bit more interesting than ep 1. Maybe.
Some time back someone told me they felt this series was more of a "battle manga" style work, and I guess I can see a little more of that if it is so.
Still not completely convinced yet....
Myssa Rei
2014-01-13, 07:50
Before people blow things out of proportion, no, they're not after his "white stuff", you pervs. I think the term that SHOULD have been used is "white thing".
Oh, and it should have been "Like Mario's star (aka Mario with the star power up)" heh.
And I hope people paid attention to who was tailing Honoka and Kagari this time.
Yeah the translations were slightly off. It's not crafting witch, it's workshop witch. The play on words falls a bit flat otherwise.
Other than that, I think things actually improved this episode. The pacing felt a bit smoother, although the comedy is still a bit flatter than the manga. Kagari's special effects are far better here, they even used the mini fire elementals.
All things considered, I'm impressed that JC Staff is handling this so well.
Myssa Rei
2014-01-13, 10:09
That box following them around too. It makes things less "wait, you did what during when again?", unlike what happened in the manga. Nicely done JC Staff.
Good second episode. The tower witches are funny, and Kagari is still a cold beauty (despite using fire). Honoka is okay, I'm pleased he wants to learn how to defend himself. I doubt he'll ever be stronger than Kagari, but at least he won't remain a damsel in distress the whole series.
There's one thing in this episode that intrigued me: the damage Honoka sustained was transfered to Kagari. It happened twice in the episode. The first time was obvious (they showed the bite marks on Kagari's neck) but the second was a bit more subtle. I wonder if the cause is some kind of protective spell, or if there's a deeper link between them. Anyway, now we know how to take down the seemingly invincible Kagari: injure Takamiya. Thankfully, the enemies haven't noticed yet.
Before people blow things out of proportion, no, they're not after his "white stuff", you pervs. I think the term that SHOULD have been used is "white thing".
I think it's a good translation. We were supposed to think about that when they brought up the white stuff. Honoka himself misunderstood. The joke would have been lost if it had been translated as "white thing".
ookamigirl
2014-01-13, 12:37
Kagari always takes things so literally.
She's just too stiff, too trained.
Takamiya, on the other hand, is too carefree around all that danger.
It was nice to see new characters.
Well, this anime doesn't lack action, that's for sure.
Practically everywhere they go they get attacked.
Things are getting out of hand.
Takamiya's situation is pretty ridiculous.
The way things are going, he's never gonna have a normal life.
mangamuscle
2014-01-13, 13:25
I doubt he'll ever be stronger than Kagari, but at least he won't remain a damsel in distress the whole series.
Takamiya will level up to "Damsel in stress" :heh:
About the white stuff,even the glasses witch said it would be misunderstood, it seems tanpopo in naive about the bees and stuff.
AmeNoJaku
2014-01-13, 16:55
Takamiya will level up to "Damsel in stress" :heh:
Princess in distress, and they didn't try to hide it either, stating it several times... if it wasn't for another useless guy, striving to become interesting with the help of the rest of the intriguing cast, I would like this anime (and a lot others) much more.
ZodiacBeast
2014-01-13, 17:02
Princess in distress, and they didn't try to hide it either, stating it several times... if it wasn't for another useless guy, striving to become interesting with the help of the rest of the intriguing cast, I would like this anime (and a lot others) much more.
I keep hearing this soooo much. I'd like to ask (some of them) what would happen if Takamiya were a girl like was originally intended but I bet they'd just answer that it wouldn't matter since she was a girl. For some reason being "useless" tends to be forgiven more often if the character is female (though not always).
He does improve somewhat latter (although by how much I'm not sure yet), so I wonder what they'll be saying then. And what's wrong with trying to become interesting? At least he's trying.
Ugh...sorry, I just got tired of hearing the same thing over and over again.
if it wasn't for another useless guy, striving to become interesting with the help of the rest of the intriguing cast, I would like this anime (and a lot others) much more.
Oh, and what kind of guy do you think he should've been to not be "another useless guy"? With the rest of the characters being all witches, anyone ordinary is going to be pretty much "useless"!
He did save that little girl after she was caught up in that fight. I'm not sure if Kagari would have reached her in time. Also, rather than moaning or whining he decided he wants to do something proactive so he won't be a burden to Kagari. I'd say Takamiya is doing the best he possibly can given the situation he's found himself in.
An anon on /a/ compiled 20 imouto sightings from the manga.
http://i.imgur.com/9dPCV9g.jpg
Now find the imouto in the latest episode of anime. :D
fun episode, I do love the ending bit.
An anon on /a/ compiled 20 imouto sightings from the manga
Now find the imouto in the latest episode of anime. :D
Wow tv tropes entry was even more incorrect then I thought as they said she wasn't mentioned till chapter 7 even though she was ided as such in chapter 6.
AmeNoJaku
2014-01-13, 22:04
I keep hearing this soooo much. I'd like to ask (some of them) what would happen if Takamiya were a girl like was originally intended but I bet they'd just answer that it wouldn't matter since she was a girl. For some reason being "useless" tends to be forgiven more often if the character is female (though not always).
Nope, if he was female it would be even more annoying since that trope has been prevalent even outside anime.
He does improve somewhat latter (although by how much I'm not sure yet), so I wonder what they'll be saying then. And what's wrong with trying to become interesting? At least he's trying.
He is not trying to improve himself, but be less troublesome to others. His first choice to deal with his circumstances after coming close to death several times was to run away or het locked up. His last option was "training". And still he hardly expressed any interest in understanding the situation in order to take some kind of action.
Should these change, even through bad writing, it would be a huge improvement for the anime.
Ugh...sorry, I just got tired of hearing the same thing over and over again.
It's tiring to watch the same thing over and over again too.
Oh, and what kind of guy do you think he should've been to not be "another useless guy"? With the rest of the characters being all witches, anyone ordinary is going to be pretty much "useless"!
He could at least try to be useful or take some initiative (like Takeshi@ MahouSensou or Hiyori@Noragami), instead of waiting to die then and there everytime. The only thing he has been doing in two episode is reflect on how miserable he is creating trouble for Ayaka. So to add insult to injury he is not only worthless, but so self-centered that fails to grasp any situation.
Avrorrange
2014-01-13, 23:00
Nope, if he was female it would be even more annoying since that trope has been prevalent even outside anime.
He is not trying to improve himself, but be less troublesome to others. His first choice to deal with his circumstances after coming close to death several times was to run away or het locked up. His last option was "training". And still he hardly expressed any interest in understanding the situation in order to take some kind of action.
At least he's attempting to get training. Some pussies in anime doesn't try to get any training whatsoever and insists upon staying 'normal'.
He could at least try to be useful or take some initiative (like Takeshi@ MahouSensou or Hiyori@Noragami), instead of waiting to die then and there everytime. The only thing he has been doing in two episode is reflect on how miserable he is creating trouble for Ayaka. So to add insult to injury he is not only worthless, but so self-centered that fails to grasp any situation.
And how exactly could you be useful in his situations:
- huge building falls down on you?
- you are assaulted by an army?
- you are being grappled by a witch *massively* stronger than you?
Rescuing a little girl might be the only thing you *can* do...
And running away is a brilliant choice!
About the white stuff,even the glasses witch said it would be misunderstood, it seems tanpopo in naive about the bees and stuff.
I find Tanpopo to be very cute and innocent regarding the matter :D
He is not trying to improve himself, but be less troublesome to others. His first choice to deal with his circumstances after coming close to death several times was to run away or het locked up. His last option was "training". And still he hardly expressed any interest in understanding the situation in order to take some kind of action..
It was made pretty clear he is trying to find out what is going on at the start of the second ep he just keeps getting denied the information. Running away from things that are trying to kill or capture you is usually a smart move especially when you don't have a way or knowledge to fight back and given, even if he had decided to become an apprentice at that point it is unrealistic to think he would be able to instantly protect himself. Also he did not want to be locked up but was trying to find out why he hasn't been if he is such a threat as it would make very logical sense to do so as it is much easier to protect someone if they are in the middle of a well guarded fortress.
HandofFate
2014-01-13, 23:38
what are some other series with a Cool Beauty type character like Kagari?
AmeNoJaku
2014-01-13, 23:44
what are some other series with a Cool Beauty type character like Kagari?
Anything by Kaishaku, YamiBou too.
At least he's attempting to get training. Some pussies in anime doesn't try to get any training whatsoever and insists upon staying 'normal'.
Eventually he did.
And how exactly could you be useful in his situations:
- huge building falls down on you?
- you are assaulted by an army?
- you are being grappled by a witch *massively* stronger than you?
I was talking about everything else
Rescuing a little girl might be the only thing you *can* do...
And running away is a brilliant choice!
He didn't rescue any girl, Ayaka rescued both of them.
It was made pretty clear he is trying to find out what is going on at the start of the second ep he just keeps getting denied the information.
He wanted to find out what is going on, and he wanted to do something about it... but didn't do either until the 3rd or 4th time he almost got killed, and he kept repeating that it was because he was an inconvenience to Ayaka.
Running away from things that are trying to kill or capture you is usually a smart move especially when you don't have a way or knowledge to fight back and given, even if he had decided to become an apprentice at that point it is unrealistic to think he would be able to instantly protect himself. Also he did not want to be locked up but was trying to find out why he hasn't been if he is such a threat as it would make very logical sense to do so as it is much easier to protect someone if they are in the middle of a well guarded fortress.
When I wrote "running away" I meant from reality, not from danger (which of course would be better), most of the time he was just sitting there wallowing in misery.
what are some other series with a Cool Beauty type character like Kagari?
Not exactly a cool beauty type heroine, but a guy can dream that one day Otoyomegatari will one day get adapted... preferably with a high budget.
Anime and manga heroines need more variety regardless of what character type they fall under.
Anime Online
2014-01-14, 01:18
Oh Honoka, you are so dead. There's the cardboard box from Metal Gear Solid following behind you.
ZodiacBeast
2014-01-14, 01:27
So now not only will the manga be produced in NA but WCW will be getting an OVA.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-01-14/witch-craft-works-manga-to-bundle-original-anime-dvd
majestix1988
2014-01-14, 01:35
That box following them around too. It makes things less "wait, you did what during when again?", unlike what happened in the manga. Nicely done JC Staff.
i give advice for that box user.......
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1016603_10201304544597987_1595502621_n.jpg
ep2...good episode
mangamuscle
2014-01-14, 01:44
He could at least try to be useful or take some initiative (like Takeshi@ MahouSensou or Hiyori@Noragami)
That is a pretty unfair assessment, both characters receive pretty early supernatural abilities that allows the to look cool; Takamiya will learn magic (as in, work from the basics and it will take time, being bestowed special abilities is instantaneous).
So now not only will the manga be produced in NA but WCW will be getting an OVA. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-01-14/witch-craft-works-manga-to-bundle-original-anime-dvd)
YES! YES! YES!
Random Wanderer
2014-01-14, 02:08
Oh, so that was the imouto. I saw several of the glimpses of someone following them, but I didn't connect who it was.
AmeNoJaku
2014-01-14, 02:14
That is a pretty unfair assessment, both characters receive pretty early supernatural abilities that allows the to look cool; Takamiya will learn magic (as in, work from the basics and it will take time, being bestowed special abilities is instantaneous).
I am referring to the period they didn't have any special powers, like the MC here.
mangamuscle
2014-01-14, 02:31
I am referring to the period they didn't have any special powers, like the MC here.
Takeshi@ MahouSensou carried a girl to the infirmary (first fight that he has magical powers)
Hiyori@Noragami becomes roadkill (saving a perfect stranger who would not have been killed like her with the force of the impact). Wakes up and tadah, she has supernatural powers.
So no, I do not see them behaving better than Takamiya, who could have carried a girl to the infirmary in a similar situation. Takamiya would not have tried to save someone dumb enough to be roadkilled because he is in hot pursuit of a cat, but he did his best to save the little girl in danger in episode 2.
NoemiChan
2014-01-14, 02:56
This witch is basically, or almost unbeatable. The burning in the stake scene is hilarious. Man, nice way to make those look funny.
greensoulreaper
2014-01-14, 02:57
An anon on /a/ compiled 20 imouto sightings from the manga.
http://i.imgur.com/9dPCV9g.jpg
Now find the imouto in the latest episode of anime. :D
Wow that is way too epic. I never noticed. Now I love the manga even more :)
http://i.imgur.com/zgZZVvol.jpg (http://imgur.com/zgZZVvo)
I wonder what the hell was that statue he was crafting...
Myssa Rei
2014-01-14, 06:28
I wonder what the hell was that statue he was crafting...
It's a penguin, believe it or not.
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