Suisei no Gargantia - generic discussion thread [Archive] - Page 2

duckroll

2013-04-01, 16:09

Hmmm, looks like the episode count might be cleared up by this comment here: http://gargantia.jp/blog/?p=188

"新作OVAがⅠ・Ⅲに収録されるなど、豪華特典満載です！"

So only the first and third boxes will have an OVA episode, which means the second box likely has 5 regular episodes. That would make it 5 episodes per box (including the OVAs). 13 normal episodes, 2 OVAs in total.

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http://www.gargantia.jp/

In other news, it looks like we finally have the first look at villains. Probably the early villains in the first few episodes of the show. The Lobster pirates led by the female leader Rakeeji (Wreckage?):

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Xion Valkyrie

2013-04-01, 17:24

^ Those slaves seem to be pretty well nourished :heh:

desrtsku

2013-04-02, 00:43

^ What did you expect from the old great Naruko-sensei? :cool:

Kaoru Chujo

2013-04-02, 13:06

Excellent first two episodes. I'm in. Liked the way they ran the story: no sneaking around hiding the truth, just figuring out how to deal with things and dealing with them. The animation was pleasing to the eye. The characters made sense.

Kanemoto Hisako was excellent in the role of Amy. And I loved the voice and approach of the young seiyuu playing the lead, Ishikawa Kaito (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=114052) (age 20). His first roles were last year, but this and Soda Manatsu in Red Data Girl are the only ones that will last longer than one episode.

lightbringer

2013-04-04, 16:53

The Gargantia Blu-ray Box sets which were announced at ACE are confirmed to contain English Subtitles, like most "big" Bandai Visual releases these days. The first set will be released on July 26 for 16,800yen, and will contain the first 4 episodes and a bonus OVA episode (full length episode).

Typical Japanese rip-off... in a few years we'll have the subbed blu-ray of the entire season out in Europe for the equivalent of about 400 yen.

Lenneth4

2013-04-04, 17:21

reminds me blue submarine !!!((shark mecha like the bad guy shark in the end)

Helius

2013-04-05, 07:40

Typical Japanese rip-off... in a few years we'll have the subbed blu-ray of the entire season out in Europe for the equivalent of about 400 yen.

Well, duh. You think that's only in Japan? A typical video games sells for $60 on release. A few years later you can get it for as cheap as 50c.

Diveman

2013-04-05, 10:17

how come I didnt see this before? I hope Gen surprises us with his usual stuff, I wanted more of Psycho pass but I guess this can work too.

Midonin

2013-04-05, 15:53

CR's last pick of the day is right here. (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/04/05-1/crunchyroll-to-stream-gargantia-on-the-verdurous-planet-anime)

AbZeroNow

2013-04-05, 15:57

CR's last pick of the day is right here. (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2013/04/05-1/crunchyroll-to-stream-gargantia-on-the-verdurous-planet-anime)

Crunchyroll knows how to finish off this week's annoucements with a bang.

Great get for Crunchyroll. Wonder if the Urobutcher will surprise us by not killing off most of the cast.

leokiko

2013-04-05, 21:43

So...only 13 episodes? :(

duckroll

2013-04-05, 23:30

So...only 13 episodes? :(

13 episodes and 2 bonus OVA episodes, yeah.

jeroz

2013-04-07, 06:50

So...only 13 episodes? :(

madoka had only 12 episodes and it's as awesome as fk

as long as the story is tight, and the inner characters are explored well enough, and the climax being fantastic, I don't care how long this show is.

(Edit:....i guess pun intended?)

tsunade666

2013-04-07, 07:05

2 episodes? Is this 2 episode pre-aired episodes?

when will be the airing date? what season?

desrtsku

2013-04-07, 08:01

2 episodes? Is this 2 episode pre-aired episodes?

when will be the airing date? what season?

They gave away the first 2 episodes on free blu-ray 1-2 weeks ago, so basically a lot of people already saw them. The actual thing is a spring 2013 anime, and its premiere was ... 1 hour ago ^^

Midonin

2013-04-07, 13:04

Gargantia 01 - AQUA - Fall

This is going to be a little odd, but when watching this, the closest thing I could compare this to is Hataraku Maou-sama in the way it stirred with my emotions. Namely, knowing from the promotional art that the opening moments were just a prologue, I was waiting for them to hurry it along so I could get to what the show was really about, even if these opening moments were important in establishing context. Both also involve a young man and his partner from a war-torn world coming to Earth and dealing with a language barrier, though I don't think Ledo's going to work at MgRoland's.

I had forgotten it even was a mecha show. All the preview stuff suggested a sort of high-seas/peaceful adventure. Not quite as everyday life as ARIA... is comparing Urobuchi to ARIA even possible? This is the first Urobuchi show I've watched since Madoka because the color palette and arrangement of the cast, gritty this world may be, actually has bright colors, people with smiles on their faces, an atmosphere that radiates some kind of hope. Amy's really the only one who got any screentime of the Earthlings, but if she's going to be the Chiho to his Maou, I'm sure we'll be seeing a lot more of her. The show's got some nice visuals, something of a sense of humor (what Amy was really saying... a similar joke was used in Jinrui) and even the mecha are kind of cool.

Let's see where this goes.

Entravity

2013-04-07, 13:10

Enjoying the first episode. I wonder how this will all tie in to the human alliance?

leokiko

2013-04-07, 13:13

That was a great episode, the setting is interesting, wonder how it will go from here.

bastek66

2013-04-07, 14:03

It was great. Next episode is even better.
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com_gwp

2013-04-07, 14:20

Wow, I love this! The setup's traditional scifi-esque and bloody brilliant. Solid direction by Kazuya Murata, he really got that beautiful setting nailed, with that bright, nomadic artstyle he brought from FMA milos.

Also really love that touch of detail giving both races a unique tongue. I imagine funnier moments will be coming from this. "Reproducing with your mother" and "Excrement", heh. :D

Reckoner

2013-04-07, 15:09

Wow.

This is the first episode this season of any show to truly blow me away. Attack on Titans was very good, but I wasn't exactly in awe there. Part of me is probably just so excited to have a legitimate mecha TV series after so many years of utter shit. But damn, IG is being a powerhouse this season with the visuals. This looked gorgeous. Love the BGM so far too. Man, I been craving something like this for awhile.

The episode was over before I even knew it. It flew by. Best premiere of the season IMO.

HandofFate

2013-04-07, 15:18

The many lasers in the first half kept desyncing the audio/video and subtitles for me.
But got enough of the idea.

The 2nd half was nicely done. Loved how it handed the two differing languages. And the pilot's VA did a great job imo of portraying the confusion of where he ends up.

Also the talking computer is great.

Requiem-x

2013-04-07, 15:21

Ok first post here, but definetly not the last. Boy, that was fun. The setting looks interesting, both the space and post apocalyptic yet beautiful earth parts, and looks great too. as for our main character, I quite like hi already, despite being the clear cut soldier type he's doesn't come off as souless or a douche, and can do pretty cool stuff (see the pat), and talking mecha with possibilities of bro moments is always nice (cliched, I know but, it always works for me). It's hard to believe Urobuchi is participating in this, though you can see some signs, like the whole hypnotism thing, but it feels more relaxed than anything right now.

Oh, by the way, I found something interesting regarding the (possible) direction this might take.

Kazuya Murata (the director and the other co-creator)

"If there was a city that connected ships floating on the sea, what kind of life would people live there?

Ever since I was a kid I admired the world of oceans and ships. It's been more than a decade since I first began wanting to depict a tale of the people and their active lives in that world.

I started working on the concept for this all by myself, but thanks to Gen Urobuchi, Hanaharu Naruko, and all the other various staff listed below, I really feel like it's finally taking shape.

As director, my goal is to depict a world that makes people want to go there, want to live there, and to show the growth of Ledo a young foreigner who wanders into this world.

He's a child soldier who's only way of life has been fighting at the ends of the galaxy, but I wonder what choice he'll make when he meets people who can enjoy life away from land?

I hope to let everyone experience a world that makes them wish they could live together with these charming characters, and that's what I'm looking forward to most right now."

Give me sci-fi slice of life! Some war moments could be ok, though, anime could more stuff like Sora no Woto.

desrtsku

2013-04-07, 15:26

Kazuya Murata (the director and the other co-creator)

"If there was a city that connected ships floating on the sea, what kind of life would people live there?

Ever since I was a kid I admired the world of oceans and ships. It's been more than a decade since I first began wanting to depict a tale of the people and their active lives in that world.

I started working on the concept for this all by myself, but thanks to Gen Urobuchi, Hanaharu Naruko, and all the other various staff listed below, I really feel like it's finally taking shape.

As director, my goal is to depict a world that makes people want to go there, want to live there, and to show the growth of Ledo a young foreigner who wanders into this world.

He's a child soldier who's only way of life has been fighting at the ends of the galaxy, but I wonder what choice he'll make when he meets people who can enjoy life away from land?

I hope to let everyone experience a world that makes them wish they could live together with these charming characters, and that's what I'm looking forward to most right now."

Give me sci-fi slice of life! Some war moments could be ok, though, anime could more stuff like Sora no Woto.
Where did you find this?

Haak

2013-04-07, 15:28

That was a truly wonderful episode. Watching this episode, I can really believe Urobuchi and Kazuya are actually gonna give a touching story.

Best premiere of the season.

Requiem-x

2013-04-07, 15:29

Where did you find this?

A certain imageboard we might be all familiarized with :heh: Didn't see anything suspicious about it so I figure it might be from an interview.

Jerseykid

2013-04-07, 15:35

That was very entertaining. The best put together anime of the new season I have seen so far.

Beltane70

2013-04-07, 15:50

This was actually one of the shows that snuck in under my radar. I don't understand how I actually missed it considering that I'm a fairly big mecha anime fan!

The first episode certainly did not disappoint!

ginger02

2013-04-07, 16:04

Checked out the show since it was updated on Crunchyroll and the colors looked pretty. Never heard of it or seen any of the director's or author's work, but it grabbed my attention. Mainly for more pretty colors and cool animation, but the characters are interesting. Having Ledo land on Earth is a nice twist to the normal space mecha show, so I wonder where the show is going to head from here. And I like the Heroine as well.

SolarAquarion

2013-04-07, 16:17

I think the artist will be doing sexy time doujinishi's of gargantia once this anime is done.

Dextro

2013-04-07, 16:32

Xion Valkyrie

2013-04-07, 16:51

That was a great way to kick start the show. Lots of flashy scenes and great pacing. The mecha itself felt great as well and the world seems quite interesting. I was particularly interested in that conversation between the computer and Ledo at the start and how it conveys something rather important about the great empire. It looks like soldiers (at least) only get recognized as citizens after a minimum amount of time spent in service. That's a rather interesting tidbit that I hope will serve as a basis for comparison with this waterworld Ledo finds himself in.

On the other hand I wouldn't mind seeing what Gen would do with that concept of earned citizenship since that seems to lend itself to the type of stories he's known for (the ones that nicknamed him butcher :heh:)

Yeah, I got that too. Although it feels more like the goal of citizenship is just a carrot that no soldiers will actually get (they'll probably die in battle before then).

Anyways, I got a huge Ender's Game vibe from the first half. The whole battle felt like Ender's fleet fighting the buggers, especially the Little Doctor like device they were using.

DragoonKain3

2013-04-07, 17:05

Xion Valkyrie

2013-04-07, 17:10

So he time travelled back to Earth before humanity set out for the stars? Colour me disappointed, since I loved the epic space battle in the beginning, and I doubt we'll ever get back to it. Now we're onto land and sea battles, which doesn't tickle my fancy as much as space battles do. :heh:

I don't think he travelled back in time. This should be still in the same time period as the first half. Remember that Earth is 'lost' to the Galactic Alliance humans.

Helius

2013-04-07, 17:10

I'm really glad there's finally a show which lives up to expectations, and then some. I suppose it's pretty much redundant now to talk about how great everything is about this first episode.

I hope Gen and co can keep up with this so that by the end of it I'll have one more series to add to my all time favourites! :D

On the other hand I wouldn't mind seeing what Gen would do with that concept of earned citizenship since that seems to lend itself to the type of stories he's known for (the ones that nicknamed him butcher :heh:)

Well this is not a new concept to begin with. The most obvious example being Starship Troopers - "service guarantees citizenship".

But yeah I'd love to see more about life (or the lack thereof?) in the Alliance. Maybe there'll be flashbacks in future eps about Red's life growing up as a soldier.

BTW does it look like the soldiers in the Alliance are clones or at least artifically grown, judging by the same hair colour? Maybe to do with coping with heavy losses fighting the war? That could explain the "right to reproduce"... :heh:

Elestia

2013-04-07, 17:19

Definitely a good episode. Pacing and setup to the story all left me hooked until the very end.

Kanon

2013-04-07, 17:20

That was even better than I expected. Wonderful animation, gorgeous scenery and battles, and bright color palette. The soundtrack isn't bad either.

Both settings (futuristic space colony Avalon and what I assume is a post apocalyptic Earth) were very interesting. I'm dying to find out more about the universe of Gargantia. I'm curious to see how they will tie everything in exactly. The previews made it seem like this would be a rather light-hearted show compared to Urobuchi's usual works, but the prologue indicates otherwise. We will definitely hear of those mysterious aliens again, and I wouldn't be surprised if they took the fight all the way to Earth. This could get dark pretty fast.

Yeah, I got that too. Although it feels more like the goal of citizenship is just a carrot that no soldiers will actually get (they'll probably die in battle before then).

It takes over 16 years (145,000 hours) to get the persmission to apply for limited citizenship rights... so yeah, I don't think these soldiers have any future. The numbers seemed iffy to me since Ledo seems very young. I assume that means he's been fighting ever since he was a kid. Genetic manipulations are probably involved, too. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the soldiers were clones. It would explain why they don't have rights.

So he time travelled back to Earth before humanity set out for the stars? Colour me disappointed, since I loved the epic space battle in the beginning, and I doubt we'll ever get back to it. Now we're onto land and sea battles, which doesn't tickle my fancy as much as space battles do. :heh:

There's no way they would create such a setting only to discard it completely ten minutes later. Ledo didn't time travel. Earth's level of technology is low because it's in decline.

thundrakkon

2013-04-07, 17:27

Definitely a very interesting start to the series. I hope that things will continue to develop well. I'm not sure yet if the story will be about the fights with the aliens or living on an underdeveloped earth. One of the better first episodes this season.

Xion Valkyrie

2013-04-07, 17:29

It takes over 16 years (145,000 hours) to get the persmission to apply for limited citizenship rights... so yeah, I don't think these soldiers have any future. The numbers seemed iffy to me since Ledo seems very young. I assume that means he's been fighting ever since he was a kid. Genetic manipulations are probably involved, too. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the soldiers were clones. It would explain why they don't have rights.

Some people are speculating that all the soldiers are basically enhanced humans produced for the sole purpose of fighting. Ledo says he's never even seen Avalon so he's probably spent his entire life in space training to be a soldier. There's also that whole brainwashing thing at the beginning so they're probably all disposable.

pagan poor

2013-04-07, 17:35

Nice start to the series. It looks like they blew their money shot this episode, and boy did they with that space battle. Now, I look forward to a fish out of water scenario and go from there. I was going "NOOOOOOOOO!!" at the end of the episode, and am ready for the next one. :eyespin:

Byakou

2013-04-07, 17:38

The beginning was pretty boring but it got better at the end. I wonder if he time traveled, would be a good way to reshape history and make sure they win against the aliens in the future.

Kanon

2013-04-07, 17:46

Some people are speculating that all the soldiers are basically enhanced humans produced for the sole purpose of fighting. Ledo says he's never even seen Avalon so he's probably spent his entire life in space training to be a soldier. There's also that whole brainwashing thing at the beginning so they're probably all disposable.

Yep, that's more or less what I had in mind. It makes sense.

FredFriendly

2013-04-07, 17:53

Knowing zippo about this new series until I watched it, I admit I was a little bored by the first half of the show, not being a great fan of mecha battles. However, as soon as the second half started, my interest certainly perked up. Amy in her very bright costume running through the corridors of what looked to be an old an dilapidated ship started to make things look much more interesting for me. The show suddenly switched from a mecha battle anime to, well, what???

Now, I look forward to a fish out of water scenario and go from there.

Yes, this seems to be where it's headed, or, at least, what will be a major part of the development.

My only disappointment was that, with all that obsolete fire power aimed at him, the MC didn't get blown from here to kingdom come. I wonder what his buddy would have done without him.

Clarste

2013-04-07, 18:40

Pretty sure there was no time travel. Earth is just a backwater now, which makes sense since the Human Alliance or whatever seems to have lost track of it somewhere along the way.

I very much doubt we've seen the end of the space bugs or the Human Alliance, and I'm expecting to see inside Avalon at some point, although I'm not sure how we're going to get from here to there.

Shinhwa

2013-04-07, 18:58

As expected of Urobuchi. This anime gave a movie-like feeling and it feels really good to watch it. Awesome mecha and good setting. I am surely going to watch this till the end :D

Ashlotte

2013-04-07, 19:24

HAH first show of the season that genuinely gets my interest up and I find out Gen wrote it...Why am I not surprised? Here's to hoping they can do more with the setting then Psycho did. Like others said I wanna hear more about society on that world ship/colony he comes from.

frivolity

2013-04-07, 19:43

Good episode. Interesting portrayal of unknown languages from different perspectives.

Shinhwa

2013-04-07, 19:59

Watched Episode 2 and yeah, definitely staying with this series.

Now the main question is: Who will Urobutcher kill this time in this series...

pagan poor

2013-04-07, 20:03

Guess we see how overpowered our pale friend and his system is at least against pirates. Also liked the ice breaking gesture by Amy with the fish. Ah, but I'll have to wait for subs for the other stuff.

Julio C

2013-04-07, 20:06

Another great start for another Production I.G. show. I expect great things from this show.

blackwhite67

2013-04-07, 20:08

I wonder who the main antagonist will be? Also, what's Ledo going to do about Chambers limited power supply?

creb

2013-04-07, 20:21

As soon as I heard Gen was doing a sci-fi/mecha show for Production IG I knew it was going to be the show to watch this season. :)

That was a great start.

So, it looks to be a floating city of some type, travelling the oceans.

The insinuation seems to be that in all the years humanity spread throughout the stars, they never found a planet they could set foot on and habitate.

The only downside I see is this appears to be only 11-13 episodes. :(

His society seems to be very Gen/Japanese, in its rigidity. Kind of like the Romans, using citizenship as a carrot to keep the war machine filled with bodies. I wonder if it plays any actual part in things, or if it was all just background, and the entire story deals with his interactions with the Earthlings.

Hata

2013-04-07, 20:23

Shinhwa

2013-04-07, 20:23

I wonder who the main antagonist will be? Also, what's Ledo going to do about Chambers limited power supply?

I think it may be possible that it has unlimited power supply or something.

creb

2013-04-07, 20:43

speculations from the first two episodes. spoiler tag just in case.

1. being Urobuchi scripted, a major character will die :)
2. with the rescue beacon always on, could the Hideous follow and reach Earth later?
3. would not be surprise Hideous is a human creation.
4. the Avalon sounds like a very tightly population control structure, due to the limited space/resources, as one of the right of being citizen is "right to populate",
5. would not be surprise the fight against Hideous is the way Avalon control its population, that they launch a major offense whenever a group of human reach citizen age.
6. So Earth, the defrost water planet, is literally the last heaven/Eden for Avalon human, if they only knew it, or do they already know but the computer/few human is withholding the knowledge from the masses?
7. but why is Earth frozen and lost to human in the first place, is it Hideous related?
8. would other "being" follow Ledo to Earth through the wormhole concurrently? both the Hideous or Kugel?
9. the mecha would not be invincible, one of the plot device would be it can run out of energy.
10. would Chamber be deactivated or turn against Ledo at some point of the story? especially after Ledo learns the truth of Avalon/Hideous/Earth?
11. is it me or isn't there some Galatica vibe? Water World? Nausicaa?

This being Gen, it would be very realistic that the powers that be know of Earth's existence. :heh: Using the war as population control would also be very Gen-like. :p

On the other hand, they are obviously veeeeeeeeeeeeery far away from Earth, since there were no stars Chamber recognized, so in that sense, the powers that be in Avalon may have no idea where Earth is.

I wonder if all the white hair/skin is due to genetic engineering, or if that's just a result of generations of living in space.

Which brings me to the question of population. Avalon doesn't seem like it can support all that many people. If humanity has been spreading through the stars for...well...a really long time, you'd think there'd be a heck of a lot more of them. :D

I mean, sure, obviously they suffer large casualties fighting, if the battle was indicative of a normal fight, but humans have relatively long upkeep in maintaining and growing populations. So, it would appear that Avalon's population of "real" citizens is a super small fraction of the population, with the vast majority apparently living in really large ships.

Take our protagonist. He's been in "service" for 16 years (I have no idea how old he is, but it would suggest this society throws their people into war from a very early age). Looking at the casualties, surviving that long seems like it'd be a rare feat. :/ He's only now able to apply for limited citizenship. I wonder if everyone on Avalon is a long-term survivor of war, or if you're born on Avalon, you're automatically a citizen?

I think it may be possible that it has unlimited power supply or something.

I seem to recall him stating there was only a little bit of power left, and they would have to be careful with it.

DuelGundam2099

2013-04-07, 20:47

*raises hand* I heard the director or writer has a habit of making super depressing endings, it this true? Depending on the answer will give me consideration in whether or not to see this.

creb

2013-04-07, 20:49

*raises hand* I heard the director or writer has a habit of making super depressing endings, it this true? Depending on the answer will give me consideration in whether or not to see this.

I think that's a drastically overblown reputation. They're rarely sunflowers and rainbows, but they usually end with some form of hope, even if there's also often sadness and loss.

Shinhwa

2013-04-07, 20:51

*raises hand* I heard the director or writer has a habit of making super depressing endings, it this true? Depending on the answer will give me consideration in whether or not to see this.

If you watched Fate/Zero and Madoka, then you can expect some form of tragedy in this series too.

Ashlotte

2013-04-07, 20:54

I think that's a drastically overblown reputation. They're rarely sunflowers and rainbows, but they usually end with some form of hope, even if there's also often sadness and loss.

Yea they aren't generic "happy" endings, but he's no Tomino or Anno during their depression periods. :heh:

YourIdeas

2013-04-07, 20:55

Hata

2013-04-07, 20:57

Which brings me to the question of population. Avalon doesn't seem like it can support all that many people. If humanity has been spreading through the stars for...well...a really long time, you'd think there'd be a heck of a lot more of them. :D
in ep 1, Avalon is described as MAN MADE with 470 MILLION CITIZENS, and Avalon is shown as many pods connected together to form a giant structure, each pod kind of like a ctiyship, so Avalon can be strung together bead like with as many pods as they want, but they also shown many pods being destroyed by Hedious. since people without citizenship is denied to be on board Avalon, I can only assume before that they live on ships, with computer AI regulate their sleep, and more important, reproduction, etc. which explain why 16-17 years old is the threshold for citizenship.

creb

2013-04-07, 20:58

Definitely one of the stronger starts to the season I've seen. The universe is very easy to get immersed into and has a very interesting background to it. From what I'm taking in, humanity has essentially spread out enough that the "sophisticated" has to live in space, and any other pockets of populations are essentially separated enough that even Earth is now an unusual location.

Apparenace wise, Ledo reminds me of Shuu from Guilty Crown (mainly the eyes), which makes me think that if Guilty Crown wasn't such a fuck up, it could've been this show. That's about as far as that comparison will go though.

The "primitive" people provide a very interesting contrast to Ledo in appearance and technology. The development between Amy and Ledo should be interesting to watch.

Overall, very excited about this show.

I just pretend Production I.G never did Guilty Crown, so I can keep them on the pedestal I do. :heh:

I wonder if there are bidding wars now for Gen's writing skills between the studios. :p

in ep 1, Avalon is described as MAN MADE with 470 MILLION CITIZENS, and Avalon is shown as many pods connected together to form a giant structure, each pod kind of like a ctiyship, so Avalon can be strung together bead like with as many pods as they want, but they also shown many pods being destroyed by Hedious. since people without citizenship is denied to be on board Avalon, I can only assume before that they live on ships, with computer AI regulate their sleep, and more important, reproduction, etc. which explain why 16-17 years old is the threshold for citizenship.

Didn't they say he had put in 16 years of service (or 145k hours), so only now he was eligible for taking leave on Avalon? I think there's a difference between saying, "hey, you're 16 years old, now you get to party" and 16 years of service, but I guess we'll have to see, assuming we actually see more of that society at all.

By the way, the part where he pats the girl on her ass to get her to talk some more was pure gold. :heh:

blackwhite67

2013-04-07, 21:03

If you watched Fate/Zero and Madoka, then you can expect some form of tragedy in this series too.

I just found out about Urogen's sadistic streak. Gargantia really looks positive and vibrant so I hope UroGen will keep the tragedy toned down. I want a "happy" ending from him for a change. I'm pretty sure three of his works have already turned me into a latent criminal.

Shinhwa

2013-04-07, 21:08

As long as Ledo and Amy doesn't die, I think it may be fine.

Which means, that side characters such as Saaya, Melty and Pinion may die somehow in the future. If Urobutcher seriously goes sadistic again and decides to kill the main heroine, then... yeah... Nice going Urogen...

ginger02

2013-04-07, 21:27

As far as his age, given that Amy is 15, maybe he is 16. Or around there. When they said service, perhaps they were indicating that he's been a member of that system since birth.

SQA

2013-04-07, 21:31

Yea they aren't generic "happy" endings, but he's no Tomino or Anno during their depression periods. :heh:

For all of the "Gen the Butcher" writing, he's not even in the same league of slaughter as "Kill'em All Tomino" during the bad period. Which is kind of funny, when you think about it. In any other genre, Gen could probably be counted on to be very dark and kill lots of his cast. In Mecha, he'll have to try hard to even get a kill count in the top 10 of all-time.

Oh, and apparently while he's writing it, it's not actually his original concept. So, it might be a little less lethal.

creb

2013-04-07, 21:56

Also, crazy speculation time, why do you think he picked up the tooth?

Clarste

2013-04-07, 22:07

Also, crazy speculation time, why do you think he picked up the tooth?

Looks like he's carving a flute out of it or something. He had one floating around in his cockpit when he woke up for the first time in the episode too, so he probably just collects them.

creb

2013-04-07, 22:10

Looks like he's carving a flute out of it or something. He had one floating around in his cockpit when he woke up for the first time in the episode too, so he probably just collects them.

Ah good catch. :) I guess he's been almost eaten a number of times then. :heh:

ars89

2013-04-07, 22:13

That was beautiful. Lol after so much time he can only get limited situation and a vacation trip. I wonder if him being out of it for 6 months will mean anything. Since they tried to throw everything at that enemy and still had to retreat, maybe there's no place for him to go back to. Though he lucked out and ended up on earth.

creb

2013-04-07, 22:18

Actually, it's a bit strange when you think about it. It's been only six months, but he was "dug" up? :heh:

Was he translocated straight into the ocean or something? I'm assuming he was pulled out of the ocean.

I also wonder why they keep using minutes and hours for such long periods of time, and if there's a reason for that, or if it's just the writer/director attempting to be dramatic or something. :p

One thing I don't particularly like (and it's totally a matter of taste, obviously), is the fascination with putting "blush" on the female faces, which has become more and more common recently (Tempest did this too). But, I guess that's just the natural progression of artwork in anime these days.

Allium

2013-04-07, 22:41

What a great premiere episode. I haven't watched mecha anime lately, but this one stood out to me. The sci-fi setting is very strikingly vibrant, and reminiscent of Macross Frontier's, only with much more depth to it, such as Earth being a declining civilization. Ledo makes for an interesting protagonist, and the characters look pretty solid too.

In my opinion, Gargantia's main advantage would be its rather unique premise, so I hope they pull off the explanations and details well. I liked how the staff put in effort to make the languages differ, ie from Ledo's POV and Amy's POV.

Overall, a very good start. Honestly, I can't see this becoming a tragedy, and hopefully it'll stay as light-hearted as it looks.

creb

2013-04-07, 22:46

Kirarakim

2013-04-07, 22:58

This was my favorite first episode of the season for sure. However I am trying not to raise my expectations too high because Gen never completely fulfills them in the end.

On another note I love Chamber.

ginger02

2013-04-07, 23:59

I also wonder why they keep using minutes and hours for such long periods of time, and if there's a reason for that, or if it's just the writer/director attempting to be dramatic or something. :p

I feel like a lot of mech and future-set shows do this to make it seem more...hi-tech, or maybe just set it apart from being normal. Perhaps trying to show the fact that these people might think differently.

I'm curious how the language barrier is gonna work.

creb

2013-04-08, 00:10

I'm curious how the language barrier is gonna work.

Looks like Chamber can translate.

But, it's also possible that their learning is sleep/dream induced (based off the whole "sleep development time" in the beginning of the episode), in which case it's entirely possible that Chamber can flash the language into Red's head.

Haruyasha

2013-04-08, 00:15

Very well done episodes 1 and 2.. I have somewhat high expectations. (Just hope it doesn't run the course of Guilty Crown ;) )

Pacify

2013-04-08, 00:58

How is everyone watching episode 2?

I really liked the opening, kinda sad its only a one cour

ginger02

2013-04-08, 01:33

How is everyone watching episode 2?

I really liked the opening, kinda sad its only a one cour

I don't anyone is. Only 1 episode is out I believe.

apsody243

2013-04-08, 01:46

No no episode 2 is also available its raw tho, Google is your friend at times like this.

garbage

2013-04-08, 02:01

Oh man I'm loving this , this is my favorite type of shows :p adventures into unknown territories. Episode 1 was quite an opener, i'm willing to declare this my favorite this season, if they just continues as is,( and I have a feeling they will it's urobochi writing after all). and yes I love Hisako kanemoto and Ai kayanon much much, so yeah this is so much of a treat for me...

but why only 13 episodes >.<, for great world building & adventure I think at least 2 cour is needed, well hopingthey will continue with another season.

side note : the ship culture in gargantia reminds me a lot of Sakasama no Patema :) another show I like

hmm now that I reflect on it a bit this "town" is more like that engineering town in final fantasy 8( the one with the big solar panel) whose name escapes me at the moment.

Pocari_Sweat

2013-04-08, 03:14

Out of all the premier episodes from this new season, this was the best one. I was actually expecting Attack on Titans to be the best, but although the pilot episode of that was good, it did come across as incredibly over the top and hammy... and Yuki Kaiji is in it does not bode well for me.

This on the other hand was spectacular. Visuals are are amazing, the mecha designs are amazing and at least for now, you could have fooled me that Gen was writing this. Perhaps the guy wants to get rid of the image that he's all about tragedies, dark and serious business. Although I wouldn't say it's lighthearted, it sure as hell has a more light hearted atmosphere than any of the other series I've seen by him.

I'm sure the drama and conflict will come later, but I love it when series develop it first and not rush headfirst into the deep end (which was something I also disliked about Attack on Titan).

On a sidenote, looks like Production IG (and by extention Wits Studio) is on fire this season.

neshru

2013-04-08, 03:37

So, why exactly was the kid pointing his gun at the big guy instead of the hostage he just took? Kind of defeats the point of taking an hostage, doesn't it?

Quarkboy

2013-04-08, 03:42

So, why exactly was the kid pointing his gun at the big guy instead of the hostage he just took? Kind of defeats the point of taking an hostage, doesn't it?

Chances are his military training didn't include anything like this. The Hideauze don't seem like the kind of aliens who would care about one of their kind being held hostage and would just laser you both, so...

His point of carrying her was to prevent them from shooting at him for fear of hitting her. He was trying to not be too provocative.

neshru

2013-04-08, 04:05

Tenzen12

2013-04-08, 04:09

Chances are his military training didn't include anything like this. The Hideauze don't seem like the kind of aliens who would care about one of their kind being held hostage and would just laser you both, so...

His point of carrying her was to prevent them from shooting at him for fear of hitting her. He was trying to not be too provocative.

I got same impression from episode. Also it seems 2nd episode were removed from google search:(

Tiberium Wolf

2013-04-08, 04:29

For speculation it seems Ledo civilization were the humans that wandered in space for long and built city in space. Still it is limited coz limited resources and of population numbers that's why only few could go to the city. I guess they are the descendents of the ppl that left earth after some calamity and have long forgotten about it.

apsody243

2013-04-08, 04:54

Quick question, has anyone found a subbed version episode 2 yet?

All I seem to find are the raws.

Om Nerabdator

2013-04-08, 05:29

i cant even find the raws on nyaa, so im guessing its crap quality and the subbers cant be bothered until a good one comes out.....im guessing though i havent seen the raw

MartianMage

2013-04-08, 05:36

Episode 2 is already out? That's good to hear.

Anyway episode 1 was ok so it seems he time travelled to the past?

And it's prolly "mfer pos" right? :P

Tenzen12

2013-04-08, 05:45

There weren't said he didn't, but it seems more like Earthlings are just less developed due their postapocaliptic planet.

jeroz

2013-04-08, 05:46

stop asking for pre-aired ep2. It will just makes you suffer waiting longer for ep3 to come out.

Just take it as it is and go with the official TV schedule.

apsody243

2013-04-08, 05:52

No no the quality is 720p so its not bad by any means.

You won't find it on Nyaa tho, just use Google and you will find it.

I don't think were allowed to provide links to downloads so sorry about not providing one.

Om Nerabdator

2013-04-08, 05:57

i found the tosho link on another forum ^^.....................not sure about watching it without subs though :(

apsody243

2013-04-08, 06:00

That's also the version I have, but its raw so I'm hoping that someone will sub it.

Helius

2013-04-08, 06:13

I wonder if the producers simply thought that it would be too mean to show the main character pointing a gun at a little girl, so they went with a safer scene that doesn't make a whole lot of sense instead.

It can go both ways. Ledo can assume a "frail" girl like Amy probably won't put up much resistance, so he'd just use her as a human shield and point the gun at whoever attempts to approach him. It does make sense when you think about it, and is more in line with what a soldier would do.

For speculation it seems Ledo civilization were the humans that wandered in space for long and built city in space. Still it is limited coz limited resources and of population numbers that's why only few could go to the city. I guess they are the descendents of the ppl that left earth after some calamity and have long forgotten about it.

That's the logical assumption. It seems they're going for the premise that the galaxy is practically devoid of any Earth-like planets. Humanity probably left Earth after global warming melted the poles and became Waterworld. Millenia may have passed and humanity have advanced to the point of alien-like and Earth has become a forgotten memory while those who were left behind had to start from the beginning technology-wise.

That's also the version I have, but its raw so I'm hoping that someone will sub it.

You're lucky to have even found the raws. I seriously need to level up my google kung fu... :(

CJ_Walker

2013-04-08, 06:15

hmm now that I reflect on it a bit this "town" is more like that engineering town in final fantasy 8( the one with the big solar panel) whose name escapes me at the moment.

Fisherman's Harbor

. . .You're welcome.

Om Nerabdator

2013-04-08, 07:26

Alright just seen the raw! great ep, the action at the end was great, theyd have to have the aliens appear soon surely, or else the MC will OP EVERYONE which i wouldnt mind to be honest.

Id love to read all the dialogue in the first half though, looks interesting

DuelGundam2099

2013-04-08, 07:31

Madoka
That is all I needed to hear, I'll watch this when I get the chance then. I never thought of Madoka as depressing or even that dark (same with most Tomino and Anno classics too).:heh:

Algent

2013-04-08, 08:28

Seeing ep2, if his machine doesn't get out of fuel soon it's going to be ultra OP :d. Even out of fuel that thing is probably able to survive anything they have.

By the way finally seeing an capable AI is cool, this is also very realistic :3.

Obelisk ze Tormentor

2013-04-08, 08:46

Id love to read all the dialogue in the first half though, looks interestingThat's one reason why I don't wanna watch the raw even though it's already out for some time now :D. Without sub, I can't enjoy it fully. Watching the raw is like spoiling myself of the greater joy.

Helius

2013-04-08, 09:41

Id love to read all the dialogue in the first half though, looks interesting

Finally got my hands on the raw for episode 2 woohoo! :D

From what I can make out the conversation between Ledo and Amy, apparently the Sun went kaputt and Earth froze. So humanity were forced to leave for the stars. According to Amy the ice melted and now ocean covers the whole planet.

"Land" exists in stories only and every once in a while "sea galaxies" appear in the ocean which the fleet must steer towards for energy. So the purpose of the fleet i.e. Gargantia is to locate these "sea galaxies" and adjust their heading everytime one is found so that they can harness its energy to power the fleet.

Meanwhile the fleet council is unsure what to do with Ledo and Chamber and Amy tries to convince them that Ledo is no threat to the fleet.

Hypernova

2013-04-08, 09:49

ep2:
Sign that this series means business: People getting vaporized War of the World style.

The reactions of the officers are getting very annoying, surly she wasn't the only one that can hear Chamber? They talked for a whole night and still people doubt what they heard? Hopefully ep2 show of force will change their minds.

ookamigirl

2013-04-08, 10:49

Hmmm...
Lots of action in the first episode.
All the colors and shooting were pretty confusing.
At first I thought about dropping it, but the second part totally changed my mind!
I so watching this!!

Shinhwa

2013-04-08, 11:04

My only questions for this series are:

1. Is Ledo going to completely rely on Chamber for translation or will he be able to speak the Earth's language later on?

2. Who will Urobutcher murder tragically this time...

3. Who the antagonist of this series is

inb4 the humanity that lives in space finds Earth because of Ledo's Rescue signal and they decide to conquer Earth as their new base > >

SQA

2013-04-08, 12:05

One thing to keep in mind, while Gen is writing on this, he's not the only "original creator" credit. The director, Murata Kazuya, is also listed as such. We'll see how much of this is Gen the Butcher in charge or director Kazuya. (If they play well off each other, this could be a great series)

Oh and...

Did someone just say ep 2 says this is a WATERWORLD SEND UP?

Shinhwa

2013-04-08, 12:11

It is said because of the sun, the earth had a great flood where Earth was listed as an inhabitable planet, where they are actually surprised that people are still living like how it is shown on earth.

Bern-san

2013-04-08, 13:22

Watched episode 1 and it was pretty good, it's going to be painful to wait for the next episodes.
I'm also wondering if Ledo will learn the language or he'll just let Chamber do the work for him (I wonder what Ledo would do if Chamber gets broken or something happens to it).

Blaat

2013-04-08, 13:43

Excellent first episode, I loved the setting of the first part Avalon sounds like Rome with an eugenics policy and I can't help shake my head for teasing us with that setting for only to focus on the waterworld setting following a bunch of people digging relics from the past.

The other complained I have is the character design or to be really exact particularly the adult female character design (especially Ridget) I wish Gen told Hanaharu Naruko to reign in on the over the top huge breast size this isn't an hentai nor a crappy fanservice series.

SQA

2013-04-08, 14:46

Responding to Shinhwa's comment:

This is a little awkward as ep 2 is actually somewhat available, but few have seen it. Still, I'll leave my response in a spoiler.

Gen should be well regarded, especially in Psycho-Pass, for having a very good knowledge of the genre he was working in. It's noticeable where little things make nice homages to the original works that laid out some of the important ideas he's working on. Yet, I can't help but be a little shocked that they're using Waterworld as a reference.

I guess we should call "Ledo"/Red the "Submariner"?

Newhope

2013-04-08, 17:51

Excellent frist 2 episodes probably the best this season.

ep2:
Sign that this series means business: People getting vaporized War of the World style.

The reactions of the officers are getting very annoying, surly she wasn't the only one that can hear Chamber? They talked for a whole night and still people doubt what they heard? Hopefully ep2 show of force will change their minds.

Come on would you trust a complete stranger on just a few words in a world like theirs when a good few hundred lives depend on it.

lightbringer

2013-04-08, 17:56

3. Who the antagonist of this series is

Probably the only serious antagonist will be those aliens from the first ep, I'd expect them to appear again towards the end. Other than that, this should be a walk in the park.

Helius

2013-04-08, 18:07

Probably the only serious antagonist will be those aliens from the first ep, I'd expect them to appear again towards the end. Other than that, this should be a walk in the park.

Or maybe the Alliance actually, if they wanna reconquer the Earth for themselves.

lightbringer

2013-04-08, 18:15

Come to think of it, they are screwed if either the aliens or the alliance guys show up. Even a minor squad from either side could spell doom. The only way out - and it's a grim one but probably the only way for anyone to survive - is if both factions show up and duke it out :heh:

TurkeyPotPie

2013-04-08, 18:26

This has been my favorite premiere of the season thus far. I've already watched it three times -- I can't believe I missed the panty shot on the first viewing. :p While I love the sci-fi setting and story so far, I have to admit the girls are a big draw too, which I didn't expect. Very, very cute.

totoum

2013-04-08, 18:40

I wish Gen told Hanaharu Naruko to reign in on the over the top huge breast size this isn't an hentai nor a crappy fanservice series.

Considering Gen began as an eroge writer it wouldn't surprise me if he really likes the designs :p

Lenneth4

2013-04-08, 18:55

nice debut but attack on titan won the first episode debut this season

It also reminded macross zero for some reason

Enternal

2013-04-08, 18:57

nice debut but attack on titan won the first episode debut this season

It also reminded macross zero for some reason

That may be true depending on your opinion but Gargantia still does a great job with the 1st episode. Don't you agree?

Kirarakim

2013-04-08, 19:05

The other complained I have is the character design or to be really exact particularly the adult female character design (especially Ridget) I wish Gen told Hanaharu Naruko to reign in on the over the top huge breast size this isn't an hentai nor a crappy fanservice series.

I didn't like this either or the fact that they focused a bit on Amy's butt.

But then again it's not too bad. The female designs remind me of One Piece fanservice & if I can deal with that I can deal with this.

Actually the one girl's design made me think of a tamer version of Yoko from Gurren Lagann. So if I can deal with that I really can deal with this.

edit: And this was definitely my favorite premiere of the season. Titans was good too but I don't know the fact that this is new for everyone makes it a bit more exciting for me.

maplehurry

2013-04-08, 19:07

nice debut but attack on titan won the first episode debut this season

OT: No, that belongs to AnH.

Back on topic, I found it weird how the space alliance's technology is so much ahead of earthlings'...

Xion Valkyrie

2013-04-08, 19:32

OT: No, that belongs to AnH.

Back on topic, I found it weird how the space alliance's technology is so much ahead of earthlings'...

Let's assume that there was a massive ice age that froze most of Earth over and that the more technologically advanced/wealthier nations left on colony ships. Their technology would continue to progress as they explored the galaxy. Meanwhile most of the people left on Earth probably died off and the survivors lived in a post apocalypse scenario (ie, Fallout, Mad Max). After the Ice Age ended people probably were able to slowly restart civilization. Notice the Earthlings in episode 1 were all salvagers, so much of their technology is probably salvaged from the era before the ice age. The fact that pirates are so prevalent and powerful indicates that it's still a pretty chaotic age so it's probably not too long after the Ice Age ended.

Cirno

2013-04-08, 20:41

I thought this anime was similar to macross zero (even the girls wearing similar clothes), but the post-apocalyptic world setting at episode 2 makes me want to watch Waterworld (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114898/) again for nostalgia's sake.

creb

2013-04-08, 21:08

The one week separation between release and sub per episode (due to it pre-airing one week early, apparently) is going to make discussions of this show painful. :heh:

At the very least, can we do our best to keep episode comments in spoilers until the actual episode is "supposed" to air? :) For instance, I'm pretty sure episode 2 doesn't officially air, even in Japan, until the 14th. Yes, it's available early, just like episode 1 was, but common courtesy...:p

Midonin

2013-04-08, 21:09

It's only episode 2 that will have this problem due to the sneak preview BD. Come episode 3, we'll all be on the same page.

apsody243

2013-04-08, 21:12

Clarste

2013-04-08, 21:37

Well, it seems pretty obvious that they're going to be freaked out and even more cautious around him than they were before. I suppose the real question is how that manifests. Would they try to kick him off the ship because they're afraid of being near him, or will they cower before him and be afraid to do anything that might even slightly piss him off? I can see Pinion planning to attack him and everyone else vetoing it, although I guess that already happened.

Shinhwa

2013-04-08, 21:44

I actually laughed when Amy called Ledo a mother fucker and Chamber translated that for him lol

leokiko

2013-04-08, 22:09

Episode 2 has actually been released in english. Gonna watch that now.

And the "mother-" joke was indeed a great one.

Beltane70

2013-04-08, 22:28

Strange that two people have mentioned Macross Zero, yet I didn't once think of it while watching the first episode of Gargantia! Strange because of how much I love Macross Zero!

creb

2013-04-08, 22:32

I think the Macross comparisons are largely due to how eerily similar the Avalon "pods" and Macross colonies look. :)

Obelisk ze Tormentor

2013-04-08, 22:39

Episode 2 has actually been released in english. Gonna watch that now.It's too bad that the sub is of "questionable quality" (according to a certain site). I think I'm gonna wait for the well-translated one after all.

pagan poor

2013-04-08, 22:46

It's too bad that the sub is of "questionable quality" (according to a certain site). I think I'm gonna wait for the well-translated one after all.

Didn't bother me. I understood enough of it to get me through the episode reasonably. But no harm waiting til next week.

leokiko

2013-04-08, 23:18

It's too bad that the sub is of "questionable quality" (according to a certain site). I think I'm gonna wait for the well-translated one after all.
The guy actually said it was amateurish. I couldn't believe it though because I could understand it pretty well too.

hai_san

2013-04-08, 23:31

I am hooked! Scifi Mecha Galatic War + Tomokazu Sugita as seiryuu, let see how this serie unfold.

Shinhwa

2013-04-08, 23:40

I am glad I understand Japanese...

Lenneth4

2013-04-08, 23:43

That may be true depending on your opinion but Gargantia still does a great job with the 1st episode. Don't you agree?

Hey dont get me wrong
I want so much the second episode
It was great !!

Still i prefer a bit attack on titan.
Both are great anyway:)

Shinhwa

2013-04-08, 23:44

I want Episode 3 but not until 21st...

ahelo

2013-04-09, 00:46

This strangely reminds me of Now and Then Here and There and I don't really know why.

Obelisk ze Tormentor

2013-04-09, 01:06

Didn't bother me. I understood enough of it to get me through the episode reasonably. But no harm waiting til next week.
The guy actually said it was amateurish. I couldn't believe it though because I could understand it pretty well too.Oh, don’t get me wrong, there’s no doubt I will understand what the characters say with the “amateurish” translation. It’s just, I want to get the “best” one, and if waiting is the only requirement to get it, then why not? I’m a patient person :). You can blame my “perfectionist” side for wanting the best experience :p.

Rosalena

2013-04-09, 01:09

Yes, yes, yes! This is what I want. I wasn't too sure about the character designs when I first say them, but I'm happy to say that they're beautiful in motion. Everything was perfectly spot-on from the dialogue on down the palette.

I cannot wait to watch episode two!

ginger02

2013-04-09, 01:27

Saw the 2nd episode.

The conversation between Amy and Ledo is cute, and the fish scene was hilarious. The series is a bit slow moving for me, though the end was good. Wonder how everyone will react to what he did to the pirates.

TurkeyPotPie

2013-04-09, 01:32

The second episode kept up the quality from the first:

I wonder if Ledo vaporizing the pirates is going to backfire on him.

Also looks like Amy's panty shots are going to be a regular thing (even in the OP). Can't say I disapprove.

Obelisk ze Tormentor

2013-04-09, 01:42

I just watched 5 minutes of it.. The subs are very accurate.. Not sure what site you're talking about, but perhaps their opinion is questionable and flawed.

Amateurish? Not necessarily either. Chamber speaks awkward Japanese, and thus it's depicted so. Whether or not the subber depict it correctly is a matter of opinion. Likewise, subtitle color is irrelevant too..

From what I gather, it sounds like somebody (probably heavily opinionated) is simply going off on a tangent.. I would treat it with a grain of sand.Every opinion is questionable anyway. Still, I’ve been a regular on that site, so if they say they know there will be a better translation than what we got now, I’ll just trust them and wait for the inevitable. Also, I’m not actually in a hurry to watch episode 2.

As for the "amateurish" part, I only quoted that from leokiko's post, not my own word.

Haruyasha

2013-04-09, 01:47

Every opinion is questionable anyway. Still, I’ve been a regular on that site, so if they say they know there will be a better translation than what we got now, I’ll just trust them and wait for the inevitable. Also, I’m not actually in a hurry to watch episode 2.

As for the "amateurish" part, I only quoted that from loekiko's post, not my own word.

Actually, I take that back.. It does seem to have a few issues with missed subs and random underlined text.. :D I just never got there.

The translation quality itself, probably not an issue though.

edit: Hangyojin as "Geisha".. lol. Not quite (http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/%E5%8D%8A%E6%BC%81%E4%BA%BA).

Obelisk ze Tormentor

2013-04-09, 01:51

Actually, I take that back.. It does seem to have a few issues with missed subs and random underlined text.. :D I just never got there.

The translation quality itself, probably not an issue though.It seems that my pals on that site was right that the sub isn't the best yet.

And please don't be confused. When I'm talking about fansub episodes, I consider subtitle and translation the same ;).

Sumeragi

2013-04-09, 01:52

I might consider this.

CJ_Walker

2013-04-09, 02:57

Well after ep 2. . .this is definitely a Gen Urobuchi series, and I'm not even talking about the ending scene, the WHOLE episode just smells of Gen Urobuchi's style. . .much more realistic(the attitudes of the adults towards red in particular. . .they wanted to fight him and take his shit!) in this kind of situation than any other mecha show like this. Im pretty sure its going to get real dark real quick.

Eclipze

2013-04-09, 02:57

That is one targeting system that truly deserves the title of "high tech precision". Holy shit.:twitch:

MeoTwister5

2013-04-09, 02:59

This strangely reminds me of Now and Then Here and There and I don't really know why.

A seemingly innocent adventure premise with young and optimistic characters who will possibly be broken by being subjected to the unimaginable horrors of human cruelty?

CJ_Walker

2013-04-09, 03:08

A seemingly innocent adventure premise with young and optimistic characters who will possibly be broken by being subjected to the unimaginable horrors of human cruelty?

All sign- lasers point to yes. . .

FRS

2013-04-09, 03:48

That was a nice start, i cant get enough of Tomokazu Sugita as deadpan snarker AI.

ginger02

2013-04-09, 04:07

Ya know, Chamber's head kinda bugs me. Like it looks too big, like one of those sci fi humans with enormous head to contain their vast knowledge.

Pocari_Sweat

2013-04-09, 04:10

Chamber reminds me a bit of that mouse from mardock scramble with his informative but deadpan tone.

jeroz

2013-04-09, 04:16

I think the pilot is located in the head?

ginger02

2013-04-09, 04:20

I think the pilot is located in the head?

I know, it still just seems odd looking design wise.

Obelisk ze Tormentor

2013-04-09, 04:29

I know, it still just seems odd looking design wise.I think it's cool if we take a look at the overall design as far as mecha goes.

http://www.famitsu.com/images/000/025/662/l_50c23c17c2ad9.jpg

hai_san

2013-04-09, 05:09

From the Hi-Tech robots and spaceships (galactic alliance), the designs and plentiful colors remind me rather of Rinne no Lagrange.

and hell yea i love Tomokazu Sugita as seiryuu any characters he speaks!

Mubyoshi

2013-04-09, 05:15

oh, this was better than i thought it would be. man i sure am following a lot of anime this season although i hadn't planned on it. let's see if this one can keep my attention until finish.

grey_moon

2013-04-09, 05:15

After watching epi 2, I'm soooo excited about this series.

Lots of Culturesque scenarios popping though my mind as not only do they have to bridge the differences due to the technology divide, but also how Red deals with situations due to his military background!

Cirno

2013-04-09, 05:33

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFriRcIwqNU) better happen in next episode.

Ddraig

2013-04-09, 06:15

Wow. So much different in technology. Red can pretty much take over the world if he so desire dont to go back to space.

SolarAquarion

2013-04-09, 06:33

That is one targeting system that truly deserves the title of "high tech precision". Holy shit.:twitch:

He's the top sniper in the alliance.

tsunade666

2013-04-09, 06:57

man, what an episode. Episode 1 and 2 gives a different feeling to it though the first part of episode 01 is typical gen but after that when I'm watching 2. I'm beginning to ask if this will end as your typical number of deaths. Even the OP gives a total different feeling. The talk between Amy and Red? Ledo? is kinda peaceful and the galaxy road? or what ever the path they used when traveling. This setting of the people living in the sea reminds me of water world and horizon but horizon has advance tech while people here are way of the past. But its typical Gen's work when the pirates attack. The stupid generic thug pirate that rips the cloth of the one of the girl crew. Typical scene from his works and the death of the pirates. Well there won't be much blood but there won't be nothing left. Well maybe ashes.

This is my favorite for this season. Enough for me to watched it raw.

The mech design reminds me of gunvareel form robotic;notes.

CJ_Walker

2013-04-09, 09:51

orpheus2

2013-04-09, 09:59

Watched the 2 episodes. Looking good so far.

I think it's cool if we take a look at the overall design as far as mecha goes.

http://www.famitsu.com/images/000/025/662/l_50c23c17c2ad9.jpg

I agree. It looks great overall.

desrtsku

2013-04-09, 10:14

man, what an episode. Episode 1 and 2 gives a different feeling to it though the first part of episode 01 is typical gen but after that when I'm watching 2. I'm beginning to ask if this will end as your typical number of deaths. Even the OP gives a total different feeling. The talk between Amy and Red? Ledo? is kinda peaceful and the galaxy road? or what ever the path they used when traveling. This setting of the people living in the sea reminds me of water world and horizon but horizon has advance tech while people here are way of the past. But its typical Gen's work when the pirates attack. The stupid generic thug pirate that rips the cloth of the one of the girl crew. Typical scene from his works and the death of the pirates. Well there won't be much blood but there won't be nothing left. Well maybe ashes.

That's not an impression anymore, it's pretty much a fact that it's more or less a light hearted show now, I still think there will be huge loads of death every 1 or 2 episodes, but it won't have any dominating grimmdark elements at all.

The mech design reminds me of gunvareel form robotic;notes.
The same designer.

tsunade666

2013-04-09, 10:18

That's not an impression anymore, it's pretty much a fact that it's more or less a light hearted show now, I still think there will be huge loads of death every 1 or 2 episodes, but it won't have any dominating grimmdark elements at all.

Its still 2 episode. Its still too early to say it but I also wish no one will die this time around :hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^:for once Gen, don't kill the girls!!!

Hypernova

2013-04-09, 10:19

I'm pretty sure the galaxy road is man made...the "bugs" are just nanomachines made by the old humans to fix the planet eventually. At least that's what first popped into my mind when she mentioned it.

Nanos powered by lightning sounds rather inefficient and unpredictable though.

desrtsku

2013-04-09, 10:44

Its still 2 episode. Its still too early to say it but I also wish no one will die this time around :hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^:for once Gen, don't kill the girls!!!

I'm fine with the girls surviving ... b-but what about muh pirate brothers?! (#/TwT)/

tsunade666

2013-04-09, 11:11

who cares about the pirate guys they can eat the pew pew for all I care :D

Kireen

2013-04-09, 11:25

Just saw the first two eps right now, seems good so far and the mecha design is quite catchy too, I just hope that they keep it up.

desrtsku

2013-04-09, 11:25

Oh, yeah, I forgot the main boss is a pirate woman with an ultra-nice body. I still feel bad for my bros but she should make up for their loss.

bastek66

2013-04-09, 11:49

I love these scenes

http://i.minus.com/ibkxWCCXfHhdif.gif
SENMETSU
http://i.minus.com/ib11bpq6uZ76Rk.gif
Woosh
http://i.minus.com/ibb6iUCAnbVfhQ.gif

leokiko

2013-04-09, 12:10

^you should spoiler tag that, as not everyone here watched the second episode :heh: (I did though).

Kirarakim

2013-04-09, 14:01

Although it isn't anything major it would be nice if people were considerate to those waiting for the legal stream and not post spoilers outside a cut for episode 2.

Thank you!

Elestia

2013-04-09, 15:41

I love these scenes

They even made the night sky move during the dance. Now that's what I call dedication to quality.

Domonkazu

2013-04-09, 18:33

definitely my fav series this season

Hata

2013-04-09, 19:20

Oh, yeah, I forgot the main boss is a pirate woman with an ultra-nice body. I still feel bad for my bros but she should make up for their loss.

the so said boss
http://2cat.or.tl/~tedc21thc/live/src/1365531357377.jpg

jzmagic

2013-04-09, 19:59

Lol the lasers are like the the weapons from War of the Worlds where they just make you go poof!

FredFriendly

2013-04-09, 20:26

So anyone want to take a guess at how the Gargantia's crew will respond after witnessing what a dedicated annihilation weapon is capable of.

Bellows and Amy didn't seem particularly overjoyed at the fact that Red vaporized the pirates.

SHOCKED is the term that comes to mind. Even in their wildest dreams, they probably could never have imagined something as instantaneously powerful as Jumbo-tron. Then the sudden, sinking feeling that life as we know it is changing, right here, right now, and not for the better. Oh, my God, what have we done?

On the other hand, maybe Red and Jumbo-tron will receive an over-joyous hero's welcome on returning to the ship...

CJ_Walker

2013-04-09, 20:37

Nanos powered by lightning sounds rather inefficient and unpredictable though.

could have been tons of lighting during the world ice age, maybe ice helps conduct electricity even faster than water (im not a scientist) and thus help break the ice up. still sounds good to me :heh:

Om Nerabdator

2013-04-09, 21:01

On the other hand, maybe Red and Jumbo-tron will receive an over-joyous hero's welcome on returning to the ship...

i really doubt that, i think they are gonna try to imprison him and his gonna let them cause he doesnt want to kill em all, i know its a serious dumb move to be hostile to a guy who can kill em all in minutes, but its an anime so its not gonna be realistic

on a different note, are there any other anime with premises like this anime, OP guy comes to an underdeveloped planet.etc

Obelisk ze Tormentor

2013-04-09, 21:14

on a different note, are there any other anime with premises like this anime, OP guy comes to an underdeveloped planet.etc
IIRC You can find (kinda) similar premise in Macross Zero. It's just, the underdeveloped place is not a planet but an island. But I think the concept of "high-tec dude stranded on low-tech place" is already done to death, not only in anime but also in Hollywood movies like Outlander, etc. I just can’t mention some specific titles right now

garbage

2013-04-09, 21:15

definitely feels like another version of the various A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court story. At least that's what I thought of immediately at the start of Ep1 second half. But it's all good that's one of those stories I loved when I was a kid :)

FredFriendly

2013-04-09, 21:57

i really doubt that, i think they are gonna try to imprison him and his gonna let them cause he doesnt want to kill em all, i know its a serious dumb move to be hostile to a guy who can kill em all in minutes seconds in the blink of an eye, but its an anime so its not gonna be realistic

Fixed that for ya. Anyhow, I don't know how they would think they would be able to imprison him after witnessing Jumbo-tron's power. I'd be more inclined to think he would come back and tell them all that now he's taking over things whether they like it or not. Besides, I don't think Red would give a second thought to vaporizing the whole, bloody lot of them. Jumbo-tron certainly couldn't care less.

It does, however, make me wonder just how all-pervasive Jumbo-tron can be. Can he protect Red, no matter what? If, for instance he (Jumbo-tron) is on deck and Red is below, Red would be vulnerable to a sniper attack.

Anyhow, I just noticed that this anime is tagged harem (below). What??? Do all the women now wanna have Jumbo-tron's babies?

definitely feels like another version of the various A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court story. At least that's what I thought of immediately at the start of Ep1 second half. But it's all good that's one of those stories I loved when I was a kid :)

Now that you mention it, it's sort of a mix of A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court and Gulliver's Travels, with Red playing the part of the Yankee and Jumbo-tron playing Gulliver.

Kaoru Chujo

2013-04-09, 22:48

Excellent so far. Nice animation. Good story. I love the colour palette, especially around Gargantia. There are many directions the show could go, and I'm hoping for a good one. The basic Gulliver/Connecticut Yankee situation has hardly been "done to death." There are lots of exciting possibilities.

But being me, I am almost most excited about the voices. The two main humans, in particular. This is the best I have ever liked Kanemoto Hisako (Squid Girl). Her "sugoi, sugoi, sugoi" about the machine was just terrific, in my opinion.

And this is Ishikawa Kaito's first big role. He is also playing Manatsu (the boy twin) in Red Data Girl. His gentle and serious manner is bridging the gap between this character's origins in an unusual, regimented society and his role as a potential male romantic lead.

Kanemoto-san is 25. Ishikawa-kun is only 19:

http://i.imgur.com/YoRK4I8l.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qwlkWJLl.jpg

Ishikawa is a new member of the Pro-Fit agency, a formerly minor agency that already has Okamoto Nobuhiko, Yuuki Aoi and Kayano Ai. Someone there can pick good voices.

YourIdeas

2013-04-09, 23:46

Episode 2 felt like it dragged out, particularly because Ledo is just "stranded" on one of the cranks sticking out for 90% of the episode (lol), but the additional background is quite interesting and provides a large contrast between Ledo and Gargantia's cultures. The interactions between Ledo and Amy are particularly well done, as I really feel that they both, at least for now, cannot verbally understand each other, but still have a lot of chemistry. (Which will probably be destroyed by a death, given urobochi)

The reactions are fun to watch and feel different from most series I've watched. All the adults are being highly cautious where most of the kids show a high level of curiosity. Amy in particular is a fun character to watch, and Kanemoto Hisako continues to impress me with her voice acting. Then once Ledo throws out the human-poof beams (complete with enemy-discrimination), you can see the "what the hell are we dealing with?" looks on everyone's faces.

Also digging the water world-esque environment.

garbage

2013-04-10, 00:16

Excellent so far. Nice animation. Good story. I love the colour palette, .....

But being me, I am almost most excited about the voices. The two main humans, in particular. This is the best I have ever liked Kanemoto Hisako (Squid Girl). Her "sugoi, sugoi, sugoi" about the machine was just terrific, in my opinion.

.....

http://i.imgur.com/YoRK4I8l.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qwlkWJLl.jpg

Ishikawa is a new member of the Pro-Fit agency, a formerly minor agency that already has Okamoto Nobuhiko, Yuuki Aoi and Kayano Ai. Someone there can pick good voices.

yes I love those colors/backgrounds too, as i've said before feels Grandia, FF8
like ^^, very hmmm....adventury(?) :)

as for Kanemoto, she seems to be getting better and better, one my favorite voices these days along with Kayanon... that's some agency there, they really wont be minor for long with talents like that.

desrtsku

2013-04-10, 00:56

i really doubt that, i think they are gonna try to imprison him and his gonna let them cause he doesnt want to kill em all, i know its a serious dumb move to be hostile to a guy who can kill em all in minutes, but its an anime so its not gonna be realistic

One of the reason why they didn't try to fight Red in the first place is because some higher ups speculated he might be too strong of an opponent for them to handle ... and I don't think having that fact confirmed would suddenly change their line of thinking.

Accelolita_

2013-04-10, 03:59

I love these scenes

http://i.minus.com/ibkxWCCXfHhdif.gif
SENMETSU
http://i.minus.com/ib11bpq6uZ76Rk.gif
Woosh
http://i.minus.com/ibb6iUCAnbVfhQ.gif

Loved those scenes too!
Mind if I use the first one as a reaction gif on tumblr every now and then? x3

eiyuu99

2013-04-10, 04:39

Quite an interesting show I agree

Kireen

2013-04-10, 05:24

One thing that bothers me during the first episode is that if the mechs can rain lazors of doom from everywhere, why don't they immediately do that instedad of using the rifles and shields?

jeroz

2013-04-10, 05:31

because then it would be a suicide mission. That's obviously the last resort for desperate times.

Kireen

2013-04-10, 07:30

well, it didn't end that differntly in the end...

tsunade666

2013-04-10, 07:41

^ the fast regeneration of the enemy is unexpected and the sheer number is madness. Look at one of the missile/capsule/rocket ship? its being swallowed by lots of them.

This is most of the problem for alien race. Humanity might developed powerful weapons but you can't beat sheer number with superior technology alone.

Kireen

2013-04-10, 07:53

so, it's like going against an horde of BETA that can regen? Scary...

andyjay729

2013-04-10, 07:57

SHOCKED is the term that comes to mind. Even in their wildest dreams, they probably could never have imagined something as instantaneously powerful as Jumbo-tron. Then the sudden, sinking feeling that life as we know it is changing, right here, right now, and not for the better. Oh, my God, what have we done?

"I am become Death, shatterer of worlds."
- Robert Oppenheimer, quoting the Bhagavad Gita.

Glad someone else thought of that with the looks on their faces. I'd have to imagine the implications of introducing such destructive power to a society unfamiliar with them will be one of the driving themes in this show.

yankky5

2013-04-10, 08:06

IIRC You can find (kinda) similar premise in Macross Zero. It's just, the underdeveloped place is not a planet but an island. But I think the concept of "high-tec dude stranded on low-tech place" is already done to death, not only in anime but also in Hollywood movies like Outlander, etc. I just can’t mention some specific titles right now

Well true their are allot of'em like that but the thing that personally cought my interest on how that jumbotron fly :D insetead of rockets, jets, or some huge propeller he used that space time continuum thing that you'd get from star trek.... watching that made my eyes glitter for the first time in a while now

grey_moon

2013-04-10, 08:24

i really doubt that, i think they are gonna try to imprison him and his gonna let them cause he doesnt want to kill em all, i know its a serious dumb move to be hostile to a guy who can kill em all in minutes, but its an anime so its not gonna be realistic

on a different note, are there any other anime with premises like this anime, OP guy comes to an underdeveloped planet.etc

Actually I think people in power tend to think that they are the most powerful, or just wish to resist overwhelming power. Some examples that come to mind is Sadam thinking he could taking on the USA, or the native Indians resisting the Europeans when they colonised.

Since this is an out of context scenario, I guess it would be more like the native Indians? But certain characters have already expressed their wish to take the technology for themselves....

One thing that bothers me during the first episode is that if the mechs can rain lazors of doom from everywhere, why don't they immediately do that instedad of using the rifles and shields?

I loved the way they formed the cone of shields and rifles, it maximises the amount they can fire, but if hit there is nothing behind them to reduce loss.

What does get me is why didn't they have more then one set of those hyperthingymagig ships? Have one charged ready to fire as the other one is charging... I guess it could be cost, but it cost more to loose the fleet imho!

jeroz

2013-04-10, 08:25

Maybe i should just ignore this thread until ep2 airs.too many spoilers already

FredFriendly

2013-04-10, 09:02

"I am become Death, shatterer of worlds."
- Robert Oppenheimer, quoting the Bhagavad Gita.

Glad someone else thought of that with the looks on their faces. I'd have to imagine the implications of introducing such destructive power to a society unfamiliar with them will be one of the driving themes in this show.

In a sense, it would be, on an albeit smaller but no less imposing scale, what those who were lucky enough (or unlucky, as the case may be) to have survived the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings would have felt. I, personally, cannot imagine how it would feel to witness such advanced and overwhelming destructive capabilities. Makes me wonder if this story is influenced by this particular historical past.

Maybe i should just ignore this thread until ep2 airs.too many spoilers already

Hmmm... If an episode is already available in English subs, then are these not spoilers, according to animesuki's spoiler policies? They may be "spoilers" in the general sense of the term, but not actual spoilers for the forum. Or am I wrong? Time to re-read the spoiler policy.

grey_moon

2013-04-10, 09:33

Since the lightning was forking into clear sky I wonder rather then lighting powering the things in the sea as suggested earlier, is it they create so much electricity it causes the lightning, kinda a reverse storm cloud....

Kireen

2013-04-10, 10:46

I loved the way they formed the cone of shields and rifles, it maximises the amount they can fire, but if hit there is nothing behind them to reduce loss.

What does get me is why didn't they have more then one set of those hyperthingymagig ships? Have one charged ready to fire as the other one is charging... I guess it could be cost, but it cost more to loose the fleet imho!

I liked the cone too, it was pretty choreographic, but maybe having a group of units ready to do that beam spam that would make Kira Jesus Yamato envious would probably helped more to open the way for the nuclear bombs+10. And, I'm just speculating, i think that the soldiers are clones or something like that (unless living in the space for too long makes everyone become white or grey haired), so it wouldn't be too bad to lose some to make them go all out.

As for the new weapons i guess that they just finished making those and ended the budget, or it would have taken too much to build some more.

Shinhwa

2013-04-10, 15:01

http://i.minus.com/ibkxWCCXfHhdif.gif

This thing is like sig worthy 8D

backbone

2013-04-10, 17:53

somehow the space war in ep 1 reminds me ofMacross Frontier ep 25, in a final, full-frontal battle between mankind and Vajra army

~Yami~

2013-04-10, 18:26

space war.... time travelling...

this will have a difficult plot but hopefully it won't give much mindbreak like what Urobuchi always did

promising and decent in first episode...

Casshern

2013-04-10, 18:32

Urobuchi, tentacle monsters, innocent girl... OK.

ReddyRedWolf

2013-04-10, 18:56

space war.... time travelling...

No time traveling. The Galactic Human Alliance thought Earth was uninhabitable due to an ice age and don't know where it would be.

Surprise surprise the ice age ended and humanity took to the seas.

By this time both human groups consider the other as myths and legend.

mikeomni

2013-04-10, 20:03

Interesting tech in this anime. Did anyone else notice that in episode one Red's right hand didn't have his gun for a moment then when the squirrel thing jumped on his face it was magically back. Some sort of expandable dimensional pocket on his hip? Somehow he kept two teeth and a pistol in that form fitting suit.

Also the Floater mechanic for making Chamber fly, it makes me think of the Star Carrier series of novels where they used micro-singularities to propel spacecraft. Think how much energy that takes to create a small black hole to pull you across the sky.

Then contrast that with the earth natives. They have AKs, MP5s and M16s! Must have had a well preserved 21st century armory underwater. I wonder if that's an attempt to make them relatable to us.

The UroButcher has his hands in this so I'm prepared to experience some heartache. Let's hope the rest is still awesome as Rider charging Gilgamesh.

Cirno

2013-04-10, 20:24

Urobuchi, tentacle monsters, innocent girl... OK.

Don't forget armpits (http://i.imgur.com/4IlmNyZ.jpg) and midriffs (http://i.imgur.com/u9L85wq.jpg).

Master_Yoma

2013-04-10, 21:57

Oh no its Water World the second coming but other then that it was a good first 2eps

suguru

2013-04-10, 23:41

I loved the first two episodes so far, although with Butcher Gen involved I'm afraid it'll turn dark, and I hate dark anime, so I'm probably setting myself up for disappointment.

I have to wonder if the vaguely Native American-looking clothing Amy and some of the others wear is deliberate - Waterworld crossed with Dancing With Wolves? It wouldn't surprise me to see our protagonist make friends with the natives, only to have his compatriots from the Alliance easily wipe them out when they eventually arrive, in the name of the Greater Good of the war effort. He'd feel responsible since he activated the distress beacon - but I can hope we get a happier ending if he finds a way to fight them off.

grey_moon

2013-04-11, 00:42

Then contrast that with the earth natives. They have AKs, MP5s and M16s! Must have had a well preserved 21st century armory underwater. I wonder if that's an attempt to make them relatable to us.

The AKs are understandable since they are one of the most easy to manufacture and maintain

Traece

2013-04-11, 00:50

So, going back a bit to more first episode impressions:

I'm actually very intrigued by this one. At the end of the first episode I actually felt sad because it had ended on such an interesting note. I wont say that the story is vastly original in terms of the plot, but there are certainly a lot of good things that were done here. I really hope that this continues to be an intriguing show, and I hope that it takes advantage of what it has at its disposal.

Tsukiyomi

2013-04-11, 01:03

someone's in trouble for vaporizing ppl...

grey_moon

2013-04-11, 02:33

someone's in trouble for vaporizing ppl...

He was just trying to make friends with them, but didn't realise he was in the wrong universe :heh:

Kireen

2013-04-11, 03:47

grey_moon

2013-04-11, 04:22

Well, i don't think that Chamber had other things aside from the vaporizing beams of doom aside form going melee on the ships, i guess that it was not exactly made with the idea of fighting other humans in mind.

I'm guessing it can control the intensity of the beams, since Red was able to use his pistol as a fine carving tool, but ofc could be different technologies....

Seiryuu

2013-04-11, 04:58

Tenzen12

2013-04-11, 05:23

I don't think he forgot, he just didn't care what spieces is his enemy from.

Guardian Enzo

2013-04-11, 05:59

Ridwan

2013-04-11, 08:20

So so beginning, but kinda reminds me of Xenogears so I'll try a few more episodes.

apsody243

2013-04-11, 10:59

I'm just wondering what the nature and how extencive those problems will be?

In a sence Red didn't do anything wrong, Amy asked him to use his "strength" to help her friends, which is exactly what he did.
No one specified how he should help he, mearly chose the most efficient method to deal with the situation while insuring the safety of the Gargantian's.

So I don't really see what kind of complaint they can make without sounding like ungreatfull duush bags.

broken270

2013-04-11, 11:19

There is a good chance that the reaction to the complete anniliation of the pirates is fear rather than praise. If Ledo can easily knock those guys out in a matter mintues, the same can easily happen to them. Amy would try to defend him, but her words may not be heard.

justinstrife

2013-04-11, 11:33

Those pirates got the end that they deserved.

Now the fact that he has more power at his fingertips than everyone on Earth combined, will make for some interesting drama in future episodes. :D

Kaoru Chujo

2013-04-11, 11:49

There is a good chance that the reaction to the complete annihilation of the pirates is fear rather than praise. If Ledo can easily knock those guys out in a matter minutes, the same can easily happen to them. Amy would try to defend him, but her words may not be heard.I was thrilled by the "destruction of mine enemies," but I worry that this will make Gargantia the target of other flotillas, or else shunned by them, making necessary trade impossible. Not to mention how it makes the Gargantians feel about Red. I'm sure Amy will continue to think Chamber (and Red) "sugoi," however. Good sci-fi plus actual romance: what more could I want?

Kirarakim

2013-04-11, 13:13

Btw is his name Red or Ledo. I am assuming it is Red but just want to double check.

Ghanw

2013-04-11, 14:25

It's could be both but the CR sub is using Ledo instead.

ginger02

2013-04-11, 14:53

Ledo looks cooler so I'm going with that. Red might be his name, just the Japanese pronunciation of it.

bastek66

2013-04-11, 15:03

Ledo - レド
Red - レッド

LystAP

2013-04-11, 19:23

I think it's more a matter of unfamiliarity with the concept of restraint. When you've become highly accustomed to fighting an enemy where no level of firepower is truly sufficient and anything short of eradication will only get you killed, you become a little excessive. In his mind this wasn't overkill, it was minimal action to eliminate an enemy; he just forgot that his "enemy" on Earth is also human.

I agree; from what I've seen of the first episode, the battle doctrine Ledo follows is significantly different from the conventional (more familiar) combat the humans on the flooded Earth employ. That doctrine is basically vaporize your enemy before they vaporize/overwhelm you.

Going by what we have seen of the aliens, they're just as capable as the Galactic Alliance at beam spamming (that Blossom fortress is a prime example, it literally one-shots entire fleets.) While individually a Alliance mecha maybe superior, the aliens appear to severely outnumber the Galactic Alliance forces and possess regenerative abilities that necessitate weapons capable of such quick disintegration (and inferring from these two insights, they are also capable of replacing their losses just as quick).

While we may be impressed by how awesome Chamber and Ledo perform in combat, it is easy from my perspective to understand why humanity is losing in the war against the aliens. Notice Chamber doesn't even try to attack the Blossom fortress while in overdrive mode, that infers limits for how each individual mecha (even their ships) can spam, and they were spamming like crazy to keep that Blossom fortress from regenerating.

Going from that, the only way Ledo and Chamber know how to fight is to do what they just did to those pirates. For the Gargantians, that method of fighting is nearly unconscionable; it was more of a massacre than a battle.

Kirarakim

2013-04-11, 19:33

Ledo - レド
Red - レッド

So it's Ledo then? At least it is spelled that way on the wikipedia article.

I thought this might be a case of Raito/Light but if it really is Ledo that works for me. :)

Cirno

2013-04-11, 19:41

Yeah, his name is Ledo (レド) (http://gargantia.jp/#character_0), not Red (レッド).

andyjay729

2013-04-11, 22:32

So who else already plans to vote for Amy in Saimoe?

Shinhwa

2013-04-11, 22:43

So who else already plans to vote for Amy in Saimoe?

Hmmm not sure.... yet

andyjay729

2013-04-11, 22:45

I feel like they're already hinted at less than light-hearted things, with the seemingly totalitarian/utilitarian society of the protagonist, as an example. :heh:

Also, are they using Polish/German/Other eastern european words?

You think Ledo's society are just "totalitarian/utilitarian"? Some /a/nons have been comparing the first half of Ep. 1 to Starship Troopers. And as I said earlier, note how shocked the Gargantians looked when he annihilated the pirates. We all saw how "healing" PP was (low body count, but still a rather depressing ending), so I'd strap yourself in for this one.

But yes, that doesn't mean everyone will die. (At least spare Amy, please Gen?)

Shinhwa

2013-04-11, 22:48

Knowing our Urobutcher, he will cause tragedies throughout this series one way or another...

Cirno

2013-04-11, 22:56

Knowing our Urobutcher, he will cause tragedies throughout this series one way or another...

So who else already plans to vote for Amy in Saimoe?

I just hope Amy and Bellows still survived from death before Saimoe.

MeoTwister5

2013-04-11, 23:01

Amy will survive. Scarred probably, but survive. Bellows and that mechanic dude are probably prime candidates for termination with extreme prejudice.

novalysis

2013-04-11, 23:33

Amy shall be given a four episode long death scene.... that is my prediction.

ginger02

2013-04-12, 03:41

Can't wait to see it in HD later on Sunday. Really loving the relationship between Ledo and Amy.

So who else already plans to vote for Amy in Saimoe?

Saimoe?

Tenzen12

2013-04-12, 04:29

International saimoe is internet popularity contest of anime girls.

Anyway I would rather vote for Bellows.

BoyTitan

2013-04-12, 04:33

I agree; from what I've seen of the first episode, the battle doctrine Ledo follows is significantly different from the conventional (more familiar) combat the humans on the flooded Earth employ. That doctrine is basically vaporize your enemy before they vaporize/overwhelm you.

Going by what we have seen of the aliens, they're just as capable as the Galactic Alliance at beam spamming (that Blossom fortress is a prime example, it literally one-shots entire fleets.) While individually a Alliance mecha maybe superior, the aliens appear to severely outnumber the Galactic Alliance forces and possess regenerative abilities that necessitate weapons capable of such quick disintegration (and inferring from these two insights, they are also capable of replacing their losses just as quick).

While we may be impressed by how awesome Chamber and Ledo perform in combat, it is easy from my perspective to understand why humanity is losing in the war against the aliens. Notice Chamber doesn't even try to attack the Blossom fortress while in overdrive mode, that infers limits for how each individual mecha (even their ships) can spam, and they were spamming like crazy to keep that Blossom fortress from regenerating.

Going from that, the only way Ledo and Chamber know how to fight is to do what they just did to those pirates. For the Gargantians, that method of fighting is nearly unconscionable; it was more of a massacre than a battle.

Even the U.S. Coast Guard would have sunk the 3 enemy ships and sniped the hostages what do you mean restraint. Then again that's because of paranoia never know if some ones tryna sneak a bomb close etc better to kill with extreme prejudice and be safe.

Honestly this is a series I could do with out a blood bath lets see something different long character development etc not more wasted potential like psycho pass. Oh well this season I got tons of anime to watch and multiple scifi so if one messes up I have another to fall on,Kakumeiki Valvrave was really good better than it looked in the trailers.

Only reason I can see to over react is due to the vast power difference. If this guy we do not know whats to kill us all we are doomed. Tho thats not gona be the reason they bitch oh no this guy killed the people we told him to kill how evil roll eyes -_-.

And for the love of god please let me be wrong do not have the cast yell at him for killing I hate main progs when they are soldiers who don't kill its illogical its stupid and its like getting paciest view crammed down your throat. Kira from seed,Kio asuno from age, The main character in eureka 7 who was such a wimp I couldn't watch the series.

Seiryuu

2013-04-12, 05:29

Considering UB made Madoka Magica, I imagine we can expect some serious surprises, esp. once we've become complacent, but at the least certain central characters should pull through, and maybe even come out with a relatively happy end (like Madoka). I doubt he'll kill Ledo or Amy off (though no big bets on anything), but just about everyone else is fair game. Wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't take all that long before Amy's two girlfriends are dead, maybe by Earth's first encounter with the enemies that made such ruthless efficiency necessary.
If he does kill Amy, may he find an angry mob prepared to subject him to worse.

duckroll

2013-04-12, 05:55

I think one thing that people going UROBUCHI UROBUCHI should probably note is that unlike Madoka and Psycho-pass where Urobuchi was involved in writing just about every episode, Gargantia is a show where he was involved in the concept work with the director and he's supervising the series, but he's not writing every episode. In fact, aside from writing the first episode, it doesn't look like there'll be another Urobuchi episode anytime soon. Episode 2-5 are all written by other people.

Murata is the director, and considering how similar Gargantia and FMA Milos feel, I'll say he's a director with a very clear vision of the sort of tone and visuals he wants from his show.

kaizerknight01

2013-04-12, 06:06

interesting series obliviously Ledo ( ?) was different set of rules of engagement that he operates in ( Well you re fighting giant space creatures etc ... )the definition of Enemy in his mind are too just blast and beam spam every thing [ pretty neat that you can adjust laser/beams between friendly and foes ]

but he and both his unit chamber could have use some restraint .....

leongsh

2013-04-12, 07:02

Knowing our Urobutcher, he will cause tragedies throughout this series one way or another...

Let's start up a betting pool on who will be killed off by the end of the show.

desrtsku

2013-04-12, 08:00

Kirarakim

2013-04-12, 08:04

Murata is the director, and considering how similar Gargantia and FMA Milos feel, I'll say he's a director with a very clear vision of the sort of tone and visuals he wants from his show.

Hopefully this will be better than Milos, that story was a mess.

At least this is original property though.

I think one thing that people going UROBUCHI UROBUCHI should probably note is that unlike Madoka and Psycho-pass where Urobuchi was involved in writing just about every episode, Gargantia is a show where he was involved in the concept work with the director and he's supervising the series, but he's not writing every episode. In fact, aside from writing the first episode, it doesn't look like there'll be another Urobuchi episode anytime soon. Episode 2-5 are all written by other people.

That sounds similar to the situation Moffat finds himself in with Doctor Who.

He doesn't write every episode but he is still heavily involved (and sometimes even does rewrites).

I am not discounting the director's contribution to the story but I don't think we should discount Urobuchi's role either, even if he doesn't have as large of a hand as his other works he probably still has a very large hand.