Licensed + Crunchyroll Genshiken Nidaime [Archive]

Utsuro no Hako

2013-01-23, 10:02

According to ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-01-23/genshiken/second-season-sequel-manga-gets-anime), Shimoku Kio's Genshiken manga is getting a third season which will adapt, in what is sure to confuse absolutely everyone, the second season of the manga even though the second season of the anime didn't adapt all of the first season.

With most of the original cast relegated to supporting roles and the focus on a new generation of Genshiken members, almost all of whom are fujoshi, I expect this might be controversial with fans of the original two seasons.

Dop

2013-01-23, 10:56

I've only read the first volume of the new manga, but I did like it, so not only am I looking forward to reading more, but I'm definitely looking forward to the anime.

Not sure how much of the original manga was left to adapt after the end of the second anime series, I wouldn't have thought that much, maybe enough for an OVA or an "Episode 0" for continuity purposes, which would be nice if it happened.

Yes. the Genshiken has gone from an almost all male society to an almost (shush!) all female society, but that possibly reflects changes and trends in fandom.

zarqu

2013-01-23, 11:12

I went and read the first three chapters of Genshiken Nidaime. I liked it!

As for the cast being (almost) all fujoshi, well. One weakness with this kind of approach could be too many fujoshi jokes which might be inaccessible to those not in the know (I still don't know which is seme and which is uke, lol). The same is true for all parody jokes, of course, so I don't really see a problem with a fujoshi cast. As long as the comedy delivers.

But still, Genshiken has never been simply a comedy/gag series. One of its strengths is a healthy dose of realism when it comes to personal relationships, something I liked a lot about the two seasons of the original anime. I guess I'll find out if the "second season" of the manga preserves that.

edit: I had forgotten how cute Ogiue-chan is! <3

edit2: I didn't even realize how much of a problem continuity could be when it comes to this kind of adaptation ("straight to second season"). Oh well.

Lord of Fire

2013-01-23, 12:55

Sweet. Genshken was one of the first shows I watched, and I loved both seasons, so more is definitely welcome.

I prefer not to judge the show based on the new main cast. If they keep the atmosphere light-hearted, it should be fine.

TurkeyPotPie

2013-01-23, 15:39

There was actually a pretty decent chunk of Genshiken 1 not adapted in the anime. Enough for at least half a cour I'd think, certainly more than one or two episodes. It was mostly Ogiue development too, so it will be disappointing if the rest of Genshiken 1 doesn't get adapted somehow.

I'm a lot less enthused about an adaptation of Genshiken Nidaime. It's missing that special something that Genshiken had. The new characters are not that interesting, perhaps because other than Hato they've had no development. And Hato is major part of the problem I have with Genshiken Nidaime. There's way too much focus on him to the exclusion of the other characters. Even Ogiue gets shunted to the background thanks to him. There are other characters with potential (I'd like to see more Yajima in particular), but they are pretty much ciphers thanks to Hato. And why does every single female character have to be a BL obsessed fujoshi (except Saki, who barely appears anyway)?

Vicious108

2013-01-23, 17:24

There were still 13 chapters left that were never animated from the original manga, so half a cour sounds about right.

Too bad it won't happen, because skipping ahead to Nidaime is an awful idea. Not only because it will make anime-only viewers extremely confused, but also because the original's material is so much more deserving than the substandard Nidaime.

Ultimately though, it doesn't matter all that much, because animated Genshiken was never anywhere near as good as the manga.

Azuma Denton

2013-01-23, 22:23

Well, i still think that they should adapt the rest of 1st generation Genshiken into anime first, as they are some important plot that builds the foundation on 2nd generation Genshiken.

jeroz

2013-01-23, 23:46

a couple eps of OVA first before the season starts maybe?

MisaoFan

2013-04-23, 14:04

Staff revealed:

Tsutomu Mizushima (Girls und Panzer, Squid Girl, XXXHOLiC, Genshiken OAV, episode director on first Genshiken) is serving as both director and sound director at Production I.G. Michiko Yokote is returning from the previous Genshiken projects to supervise the series scripts, and Junichiro Taniguchi (Yondemasu yo, Azazel-san, Natsuyuki Rendezvous, Mudazumo Naki Kaikaku) is the new character designer.

Toshihisa Kaiya (Bunny Drop, Robotics;Notes, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex episode animation director) and Taniguchi are collaborating as chief animation directors. Studio Fuga's Ichirou Tatsuta (Bunny Drop, Robotics;Notes) is serving as art director with Katsufumi Hariu (Yuruyuri, Katanagatari) designing art and Emiko Ueno (Yondemasu yo, Azazel-san, Psycho-Pass) in charge of color keys. Takayuki Uragami is designing clothes, and Shingo Takenaka is designing props.

Fumio Kogawa is serving as director of photography, while Junichi Uematsu is editing. The studio Dandelion (Blood-C: The Last Dark) is in charge of 3D animation, and Starchild Records is producing the music.

The new anime will premiere this summer, and the next issue of Monthly Afternoon will announce the new cast members in May.

serenade_beta

2013-04-23, 17:12

It's nice to have another Genshiken anime. Especially since it makes fun and talks about otaku culture in an understandable environment, unlike other anime these days that just stick otaku culture into something like a typical light novel comedy just to gain laughs and all of that crap.
Not that I really followed the Genshiken manga though. (But I did like the anime)

Utsuro no Hako

2013-05-06, 01:48

Cast announced (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2013-05-06/nozomi-yamamoto-sumire-uesaka-join-genshiken-2nd-season-cast).

I'm disappointed that they recast Ogiue. I suppose since there's no announcement for Madarame, Ohno or Kikuchi that they got the rest of the original cast to come back.

Soliloquy

2013-05-06, 02:43

Not only I'm happy that Genshiken season is on the way but the fact one of my favourite character from Genshiken manga is played by the seiyuu I always liked. I was always wondering before why she was rather underused in the industry despite how I had a good impression of her from Joshiraku and UN-GO.

Also happy with Anime staff. I was fond of Tsutomu Mizushima's work from the beginning. I believe the writer Michiko Yokote seems to work with the director if they are doing comedy, it is in good hands.

TurkeyPotPie

2013-05-06, 08:38

When I read that Uesaka was singing the OP a while back, I thought she would end up voicing one of the new characters. She's a good fit for Yoshitake.

The Ogiue recasting is a huge disappointment though. Anticipation for this adaptation just went down even further.

Also, there was nothing about a seiyuu for Sasahara's sister Keiko. I do hope she is not going to be dropped like in the second season, and that it just means her seiyuu from the first season is coming back. Her absence from the second season was a little odd but understandable given the minor importance of her role in that part of the story, but it would be really strange if she was missing from this season. She is hardly my favorite character, but Keiko is a lot more interesting of late.

relentlessflame

2013-05-07, 16:22

I want to remind everyone: no spoilers in anime threads, even behind tags.

Kakkou

2013-05-07, 23:50

I want to remind everyone: no spoilers in anime threads, even behind tags.
The ANN article does mention that Hata has a VA for each persona, so I figured it should be okay... oh well, I'll be more careful I guess.

maximilianjenus

2013-05-08, 09:05

@Kakou, yeah, the site mentions that, but it's one of those things that only are spoilers if you know what it means, otherwise there are a myriad of posible reasons why they did that.

AmeNoJaku

2013-05-08, 10:09

I really hope that the staff can substitute the in-universe anime with Free! from KyoAni... it would become not only contemporary, but hilarious considering the rage already coming from 2-chan and western homophobes :p

Librantu

2013-05-22, 08:04

Recast:
Harunobu Madarame - Kazyuki Okitsu (Jojo's Bizarre Adventure's Jonathan Joestar, Toradora's Hisamitsu Noto)
Saki Kasukabe - Rina Satou (Certain Scientific Railgun's Mikoto Misaka)
Ohno Kanako - Yukan (Code Geass' CC)
Susanna Hopkins: Naomi Ohzora
Angela Burton - Misa Kobayashi

Utsuro no Hako

2013-05-22, 08:36

Disappointing to see the roles recast, but hopefully they got actresses who are decent at English this time.

scineram

2013-05-22, 09:59

Another show on my boycott list.

SidVicious

2013-05-22, 10:55

Freeter

2013-05-22, 12:27

Did they seriously just recast Saki and Madarame? EPIC FAIL.

Not even Sue is going to get me to watch this now.

AbZeroNow

2013-05-26, 17:01

On the official site(and on Moon Phase), this has a premiere of "7/06 25:00" on Tokyo MX.

Will try to marathon all of the previous material in case Crunchyroll streams it.

TurkeyPotPie

2013-06-01, 03:02

So I don't think a single seiyuu from the previous seasons returns.

Full cast list. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2013-06-01/jun-fukuyama-mamiko-noto-join-genshiken/2nd-season-cast)

Nozomi Yamamoto as Chika Ogiue
Sumire Uesaka as Rika Yoshitake
Yumi Uchiyama as Mirei Yajima
Ai Kakuma as Kenjiro Hato (Female)
Kazutomi Yamamoto as Kenjiro Hato (Male)
Yukana as Kanako Ōno
Jun Fukuyama as Manabu Kuchiki (formerly Akira Ishida)
Naomi Ōzora as Susanna Hopkins
Kazuyuki Okitsu as Harunobu Madarame
Tatsuya Kobashi as Kanji Sasahara (formerly Takanori Ohyama)
Momoko Ohara as Makoto Kōsaka (formerly Mitsuki Saiga)
Rina Satou as Saki Kasukabe
Takayuki Kondou as Sōichirō Tanaka (formerly Tomokazu Seki)
Hiroki Yasumoto as Mitsunori Kugayama (formerly Kenji Nomura)
Misa Kobayashi as Angela Burton
Ikumi Hayama as Keiko Sasahara (formerly Kaori Shimizu)
Madoka Yonezawa as Kumiko Yabusaki (formerly Reiko Takagi)
Konomi Tada as Naoko Asada
Mamiko Noto as Kaminaga

Disappointed. I wonder what caused a wholesale recasting.

Utsuro no Hako

2013-06-01, 08:54

I'm really surprised about Kuchiki. Jun Fukuyama is going to give the character a completely different vibe from the earlier seasons.

ahelo

2013-06-01, 09:29

Oh get over it, I'm pretty sure you can get used to seiyuu changes after a few minutes. Didn't this happen to Brotherhood too?

Horse

2013-06-01, 13:51

Oh get over it, I'm pretty sure you can get used to seiyuu changes after a few minutes.

Perhaps but they will certainly feel like different characters.

Didn't this happen to Brotherhood too?

Sequel cast change vs Remake cast change.

Utsuro no Hako

2013-06-01, 14:40

While I'd prefer continuity with the original series, I don't have a problem with most of the cast changes. But Fukuyama's too good at making characters likeable, which is totally not how Kuchiki is supposed to be.

TurkeyPotPie

2013-06-20, 23:21

So a Genshiken OAD is coming:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-06-20/genshiken/2nd-season-manga-to-bundle-original-anime-dvd

I bet this is how they wrap up the end of the Genshiken manga that wasn't covered by the anime. I hope there is more than one OAD episode though, there's enough un-animated material for a couple of episodes at least.

ArrowSmith

2013-06-24, 02:16

Genshiken 1 & 2 happened like 5-6 years ago. It's totally unreasonable to expect the same cast now.

Utsuro no Hako

2013-06-25, 01:39

Latest PV:

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Needs more Madarame and Hato.

articuzwolf

2013-06-25, 01:51

darn, now they are really changed all the VAs

even saki and ogiue as well :(

Pocari_Sweat

2013-06-25, 03:04

backbone

2013-06-25, 07:59

Ouch, Kuchiki will be voiced by Fukuyama? Not sure how it will really work given Kuchiki's personality

maximilianjenus

2013-06-25, 09:18

Hopefully the opening isn't that high pitched crap that the PV is showing. Though I don't think nothing can match the opening/atmosphere that was portrayed in the first season:

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I remember this anime... then compare it to the currently airing Oreimo, and it is truly truly a sad sight :(

was gonna tell you off for comparingit to oreimo, then remembered oreimo was also supossed to be about otaku culture :frustrated:

Utsuro no Hako

2013-06-25, 10:28

Well we do have WataMote coming up this season, which is basically what Kirino would be like in real life -- the creepy girl with messy hair and bags under her eyes who sits in the back of class and never talks to anyone. It should make a really nice double-feature with Genshiken.

Pocari_Sweat

2013-06-25, 10:34

I think I was unclear it what I meant. What I meant was I look at Genshiken S1 and gives me a big smile on my face because it's a slice of life anime on otaku culture done right. You look at Oreimo right now and she what a trainwreck it is considering it just insultingly trolls shippers (not in a good way either) and is pointing towards an incest end.

jeroz

2013-06-26, 08:32

the second season for oreimo doesn't really count anymore, it just became a generic RomCom and not much about otaku culture.

I'm trying hard to think back to the this year and last if there are other otaku-culture focused series, and the closest I can think of is Ixion Saga DT with it's gaming culture references...

RandomGuy

2013-07-02, 20:39

Saw the news about the recast.

Looks like they took the sub-title "Second Generation" a little too literally.

Incidentally, I seem to remember Ohno's new voice having played someone in the TV version of Kujibiki Unbalance. It wasn't the same character Ohno's original voice played in the OVA, was it?

EDIT: Why yes, Ayako Kawasumi played Kasumi Kisaragi in the KujiUn OVA, while Yukana played the same role in the TV series. That has got to be intentional.

AbZeroNow

2013-07-04, 17:42

Licensed by NIS America:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-07-04/nisa-adds-hanasaku-iroha-film-genshiken-2nd-season-anime

Would love to see NIS America license rescue the previous seasons so they can get a beautiful Premium Box too.

serenade_beta

2013-07-06, 12:09

*starts watching ep1*
*pauses*

I wanted to hit my head when I heard Fukuyama.
His voice is like, a whole ways different from that character's original voice, right?

Freeter

2013-07-06, 12:49

This whole recast is full of fail. Everyone sounds off, and Saki is just Biribiri 2.0.

Not even those Monogatari references can save this.

Utsuro no Hako

2013-07-06, 14:20

Ohno and Kuchiki are really miscast, but Sue, Ogiue and Saki sounded okay to me and I thought Madarame and Sasahara were spot on. And the new cast is great.

It's been a while since I've watched the first two seasons, but the backstory with Ogiue and the manga club girls never got shown, did it? That's going to be confusing for anime-only viewers later on.

Haak

2013-07-06, 14:46

Damn I think I just watched 20 minutes of pure awesomeness. :heh:

I haven't watched the previous season which is probably why I think the first episode went at such a blistering pace but I was able to make out most of the story and enjoyed every minute of it. It was mostly comedy but i hope it gets a bit more interesting and explores a bit more because I can already see a lot of potential.

As for the voices I thought they were all great, especially Kuchiki. Like I said though, I haven't watched the previous season.

Dop

2013-07-06, 15:01

Well I really enjoyed the new characters, who worked just fine and how I imagined them from reading the manga.

As for the recast, it all just seemed a little bit off.
OK. I rewatched the original series not long back, so I've heard the original cast fairly recently.
If you're new to the series, then it doesn't matter.

I have to agree that Kuchiki does seem particularly miscast, though.

Still. I'm not going to have a hissy fit over some recasting which might not have been avoidable.
At the end of the day, it still has that good old Genshiken feel to it even if the voices are different.
I suspect after a few episodes to get into it the recasting won't matter to anyone.

Elestia

2013-07-06, 16:08

I am fine with most of the recasting, but it is a real shame that they also had to recast Madarame played by Nobuyuki, who arguably is the main face of the anime after his stellar "2D Girl Complex" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qezJcCIH4Jo). Kuchiki, Saki, and Ohno also place a close second as bad miscasting efforts. Having someone with such a iconic voice such Jun Fukuyama playing the support character Kuchiki does not complement the overall seiyuu cast very well.

ZGMF-X10A

2013-07-06, 16:14

I'm so confused. There's so many new characters. Who is Sue, she's so cute. I don't remember seeing her in previous Genshiken. At first I was like who is this president, but when she tied up her hair I was like oh it's Ogiue. I also remember Ohno.

Dop

2013-07-06, 16:40

Sue did appear in the original show's second season (and I was glad they addressed season numbering in the next episode trailer), as one of Ohno's American friends.

konart

2013-07-06, 17:00

I really can't stand her voice now -_-

jedinat

2013-07-06, 17:04

Well, I really enjoyed the first episode. Which I wasn't really expecting considering almost the entire cast has exited stage left, lol. I haven't read the Nidaime manga; hopefully this season continues to entertain... and hopefully there aren't too many BL jokes.

Clarste

2013-07-06, 17:04

I don't mind the recast because I haven't heard the originals in a long time, but Jun Fukuyama does really stand out as the annoying guy. I just played Dangan Ronpa 2 though, where he plays a very similar character so all I can say about that is that it unexpectedly works. Just take away your preconception and actually listen to him and surprisingly it works. It may take a while to get used to it though, and maybe the series isn't even long enough to.

psycho bolt

2013-07-06, 17:13

dem traps again

it was nice seeing the old characters

jedinat

2013-07-06, 17:13

Having someone with such a iconic voice such Jun Fukuyama playing the support character Kuchiki does not complement the overall seiyuu cast very well.
I'm just glad he was recast; couldn't stand his original voice. Now that he's (sorta) the only guy in the group and apparently a prominent member... I'm glad he's not so grating. Even if it's a little weird hearing him with the voice of Watanuki, lol.

serenade_beta

2013-07-06, 17:39

Other than the different (and bad) casting for the old characters, it was fairly enjoyable. But damn, Madarame and Kikuchi. They're supposed to be otaku with "otaku" voiced, but now they have these "ikemen" voices. And it just makes you want to facepalm.
And I have a feeling some of the other characters' voices feel weird too, but to be honest, those two guys stand out way too much.
Oh, and I can't tell what Suu is saying most of the time.

Kaoru Chujo

2013-07-06, 18:47

That was great. I'm sold. There's a somewhat different feel to mythical otaku life here in 2013, with the arrival of the rotten wave. But i found all the new voices acceptable, and the new characters excellent. That was highly entertaining, and i'm eager to follow the development of the characters -- hoping that future episodes are as well directed as Mizushima-sensei did this first one.

I know people are complaining about Jun-chan, but i thought he was good. I especially liked Ogiue's seriousness, as portrayed by the new seiyuu, Yamamoto Nozomi (Tetora in Joshiraku). I've made a characters/seiyuus page (http://hashihime.x10.bz/etc/2013/genshiken/charsei.html) with pics of the main characters and their seiyuus, and a bit of info about each seiyuu.

Because of how they are shown on the official site, i have a feeling that the old main characters (particularly Sasahara and Madarame) will have much reduced presence this time. So maybe their changed seiyuus will not be as much of a problem as we go on.

Dop

2013-07-06, 19:43

I think one of the things about Genshiken is how the dynamic has changed. At the start of the original manga the Genshiken was very much a boys club.
At the start of the new one, the pendulum has swung so much that Oguie worries it may become too much of a fujoshi club.

I think it's that altered dynamic which is one of the interesting things in the new series, so far.

frubam

2013-07-06, 19:51

Nothing to say other than this felt like classic Genshiken, although a bit more subdued somehow. It might have to do with the lack of unity that hasn't been developed between the new and current club members =0(. The recasts don't bother me too much either since I haven't watched the prequels in a long time, but Fukuyama does sound the way-the-hell out of place =02. Maybe because I'm so used to him playing pretty boys (>.>)...It's been a while since I've watched the first two seasons, but the backstory with Ogiue and the manga club girls never got shown, did it? That's going to be confusing for anime-only viewers later on.

I believe it was shown as a 3 ep OVA before the 2nd season, though I recalled it was never translated, least at the time I started watching the 2nd season. I did wonder about the details, but I just continued on with the anime as-was. It was kinda rough, but in time, I got the gist of what had went on.

Utsuro no Hako

2013-07-06, 21:55

As for the voices I thought they were all great, especially Kuchiki. Like I said though, I haven't watched the previous season.

The problem with Kuchiki is he's supposed to be that guy -- and if you've ever attended a con or been in any sort of geekish club, you've probably met someone like him -- that everybody hates but he keeps showing up anyways, and girls don't like being near him because he's completely lacking in the social conditioning that tells him what is and isn't appropriate behavior And Jun Fukuyama just makes the character sound too cool.

Clarste

2013-07-06, 22:00

The problem with Kuchiki is he's supposed to be that guy -- and if you've ever attended a con or been in any sort of geekish club, you've probably met someone like him -- that everybody hates but he keeps showing up anyways, and girls don't like being near him because he's completely lacking in the social conditioning that tells him what is and isn't appropriate behavior And Jun Fukuyama just makes the character sound too cool.

He sounds like a guy pretending to be cool when he's not. Which is often how Kuchiki acts.

Arczyx

2013-07-06, 23:31

Kuchiki's voice is way too cool for his character... (I mean... seriously... Jun Fukuyama...???). It's entertaining in its own way though :heh:

That aside, shouldn't this thread be moved to Current Series?

serenade_beta

2013-07-07, 00:19

He sounds like a guy pretending to be cool when he's not. Which is often how Kuchiki acts.

Rather, he sounds like a cool guy pretending not to be.

Goty

2013-07-07, 00:32

I believe it was shown as a 3 ep OVA before the 2nd season, though I recalled it was never translated, least at the time I started watching the 2nd season.

The ovas? Sure it was, not long after they came out..
They're rather easy to find, though some fansubs name them "Genshiken episodes 13, 14 and 15" instead. The plot with Ogiue's "recruitment' from the manga club is all there.

Tenzen12

2013-07-07, 02:17

To be honest after all these years I didn't have problem with recast. (I was reading manga after that though)

But there is one thing I remembered more than clearly, how much annoying Kuchiki voice was. Thank godness for Jun Fukuyama. He makes him bearable.

EroKing

2013-07-07, 05:53

I don't remember any of the original voices since I did watch it way too long ago. Well that and my memory sucks :heh: so I did quite enjoy this episode.
Poor Madarame, still in love with Saki :heh: but that lol ending sure gave some foreshadowing of Madarame x Hato in the future episodes. Poor guy :heh:

ookamigirl

2013-07-07, 07:19

Cosplay/manga club?
Guess recruiting new members is always hard.
That club certainly has some unique members.
This sure is a weird, but fun anime.
Although, I still can't decide to watch it or skip it..

articuzwolf

2013-07-07, 07:27

I didn't read the manga but I assume they skipped some parts from what they left in season 3?

Tenzen12

2013-07-07, 08:20

It's a while I read manga so I don't remember everything, but I don't think they left out anything important(Manga also started with introduction of girls and Kuchiki was member already).

Utsuro no Hako

2013-07-07, 08:46

I didn't read the manga but I assume they skipped some parts from what they left in season 3?

They skipped about two and a half volumes from the original manga, most of which focused on Ogie. The first episode summarized the main points -- Ogie and Sasahara started dating and he used his editorial skills to help her polish a one-shot to the point that a professional publisher bought it -- but there are a few other points that will hopefully be covered in flashback.

Tenzen12

2013-07-07, 09:57

Rather, he sounds like a cool guy pretending not to be.

Maybe that's why people think Jun-san isn't best choice. Kuchiki is never cool.

backbone

2013-07-07, 10:37

Decent episode, i suppose. The recast doesn't really bother me, although i'm a bit conflicted by Fukuyama voicing Kuchiki, dunno why but just doesn't really click in my ears.

And after being disappointed by OreImo that failed miserably at showing how otaku supposedly act like otaku, this show make me feel very refreshed, and with the addition of 3 new members into Genshiken making this show definitely a must watch of the season for me.

serenade_beta

2013-07-07, 10:54

Maybe that's why people think Jun-san isn't best choice. Kuchiki is never cool.

Exactly. And as some people saying they prefer Fukuyama said, Kikuchi's original voice was annoying.
And, that's why his original voice was correct. Because it made Kikuchi annoying.

Tenzen12

2013-07-07, 11:10

Actualy that's my case as well. I was afraid he will ruin show for me, but even if Jun-san isn't suited, I still will prefere bearable Kuchiki to unbearable one regardless if it is OC or not.

Haak

2013-07-07, 11:15

Oh I see. So his voice is supposed to be grating but isn't. I have to admit that I found it difficult to hate him thanks to his voice so maybe you guys are right. Maybe that guy who plays Retro-kun in Chihayafuru would've been a better fit.

(PS: 10,000th post)

Horse

2013-07-07, 11:16

The recast killed the show for me. FukuJun is no Akira Ishida, Yukana as Ohno is just annoying, Madarame no longer is Madarame... and then Saki came in... I raged.

aohige

2013-07-07, 11:33

I was actually quite impressed with the acting job.
While obviously different voices, the new cast acted majority of the characters very well, matching the quirks of the previous cast.

I think the biggest issue I had was Ohno's voice. Sasahara's voice was nearly spot-on, and Madarame was my biggest worries, but he did pull it off pretty well.

I don't remember any of the original voices since I did watch it way too long ago. Well that and my memory sucks :heh: so I did quite enjoy this episode.
Poor Madarame, still in love with Saki :heh: but that lol ending sure gave some foreshadowing of Madarame x Hato in the future episodes. Poor guy :heh:

It's pretty much impossible for me to forget the original cast, not only were they insanely memorable, the entire cast was super-seasoned veterans. :heh:

Goty

2013-07-07, 12:56

I think the biggest issue I had was Ohno's voice. Sasahara's voice was nearly spot-on, and Madarame was my biggest worries, but he did pull it off pretty well.

Yeah, Ohno's new voice sounds just..no. It doesn't fit.
None of the others bothered me at all, including Madarame, which was surprising.

Malkuth

2013-07-07, 16:23

Dunno about the voices, the only thing I read about Genshiken since the last anime were doujinshi, so the new VAs don't bother me, it will take some time to get into their characters anyway.

Otherwise, I am also sold into the fourth (not second) generation... this characters have great chemistry... not to mention that I was ROLFing half the time, and had to rewind the damn episode took me almost 30 minutes to watch.

Tenzen12

2013-07-07, 16:39

Technicaly it is second season... of manga, that is. First two (three) seasons covered first manga. Nidamie is like Rozario Vampire II or The Breaker New wave.

cyth

2013-07-08, 02:33

I had to rewatch Ogiue's stunt, her dedication and the way she portrayed her love for the hobby and the way she managed to convey it to others completely won me over. I would've joined her club in an instant.

kniteowl

2013-07-08, 04:22

Loving every bit of Genshiken Nidame's adaptations, I don't mind the recasting of the voices, it's not as bad as I thought it'd be, I'll just think of it as the Genshiken new generation which requires new voices.

I love the Monogatari References especially Madarame & Sue, she just randomly shows up to role play.

I agree with others, that Kuchiki just sounds too kool for his character, he's suppose to be annoying, but this in itself is interesting lol, he's now the kool annoying character lol.

DidCart

2013-07-08, 14:36

Oh my... it's been some time since I posted here on AnimeSuki, but Genshiken coming back with an anime brought me back!

The thing is, besides the recasting, this anime was amazing. The script was sharp and effective. They covered two full chapters of the manga and did it very well. No unnecessary scenes, similar camera angles, everything according to what it should be.

About the recasting though, it was really strange to listen to the new Ogiue and Madame voices. Ohno and Sue also but the first two were the worst for me. Kuchiki was also very different, but entertaining in it's own way.

The new cast, on the other hand, was excellent... well, at least Yoshitake and Yajima. Hato was okay until it changed to his male voice... to abrupt, to different, way to much unnatural.

Overall a great first episode. I really hope with future OVAs coming with the BD releases they will show what happened in the gap between season 2 an this one. Some people may get really confused in future episodes. I also hope they'll announce a new season. 12 episodes are not gonna be enough.

HandofFate

2013-07-08, 15:38

Lord of Fire

2013-07-08, 15:47

I really need to rewatch Genshiken, I can't remember a damn thing about their voices, though I do remember Ogiue sounding different than I remember.

Aside from that, a solid first episode.

articuzwolf

2013-07-08, 15:55

Best thing about this episode of course Sue's lines and Sue cosplaying as Shinobu :heh:

Damn that was the best

They skipped about two and a half volumes from the original manga, most of which focused on Ogie. The first episode summarized the main points -- Ogie and Sasahara started dating and he used his editorial skills to help her polish a one-shot to the point that a professional publisher bought it -- but there are a few other points that will hopefully be covered in flashback.

ah I see, they should at least make OVAs for it :uhoh:

I really need to rewatch Genshiken, I can't remember a damn thing about their voices.

that should be a good thing actually :heh:
though Madarame voice didn't really bother me, just when I thought that impression of his voice will be the hardest to replace

Utsuro no Hako

2013-07-08, 15:59

Did the series previously have such a strong fujoshi undertone?
Only read the manga, but it seemed to go full fujoshi on the manga relaunch which is where this series seems to be starting.

The original cast was all guys except for Saki, so it wasn't a big factor in the first season, but the fujoshi element has increased every time a new woman joined the cast.

Surely you remember the scene where Saki sees Ogie sketching some Sasahara x Madarame art and assumes she has a crush on both of them?

Dop

2013-07-08, 16:36

One of the things I appreciate about the series is how the whole dynamic has changed. At the start of the original manga the Genshiken was pretty much a boys club, but that changed and now it's almost much all girls.
(Hato is a honorary fujoshi...)
I think Ogiue realises the pendulum has swung too far and would prefer a balance, so I wonder if that will come to pass as the series continues. Should get the second volume of the manga soon.

thundrakkon

2013-07-09, 06:01

An enjoyable start to the new series. However, when the old members came to the party, I felt a different dynamic compared to the current members. It felt more "comfortable".

As far as recasting went, I did not notice that there was a new cast at all, since it has been so long since I saw the last season. The only thing that felt different was Kuchiki, with Jun voicing him. I could not remember him voicing in the original series, so I checked it up. There, I finally found out that they recast everyone. Hence, in conclusion, the recasting of the voices sound fine, although Jun does stand out a lot.

DragoonKain3

2013-07-09, 12:19

I miss most Madarame's scratchy voice, though the new VA does indeed fit. Only one that doesn't fit with what I remember of the original series is Ohno, but then again Kawasumi is pretty much legendary at this point. I mean, I have utmost respect for Yukana (<3 Habara), but my head keeps saying "That Ohno is so wrong!" every time she speaks. XD

Did the series previously have such a strong fujoshi undertone?
Lol you just missed the best episode ever. Episode 5 I think of the secound 'season'? Was LMAO all the way through. XD

DidCart

2013-07-09, 14:44

Did the series previously have such a strong fujoshi undertone?

Not that much. The thing is that, time has passed since the first series to this second one. And the otaku world has changed.

In the past, women otaku were the minority in most of the clubs. That's why the presence of three girls in the Genshiken was so much of a big deal.

Nowadays, women otaku are very common and the number of fujoshis among them is rising considerably.

To continue the series with the same "spirit" as the original one would be being unreal. Genshiken always tried to picture it's own time. The original series was all-about otaku in the late 90s and beginning of the 2000s. The Nidaime series, on the other hand, is all about the otaku in this new decade after 2009-2010.

That's why it's impossible to specify which year are the characters on. If we used logic, there would be no logic. :p

So yeah, it's a different undertone, but even though I also don't like fujoshi stuff, I find it very interesting to know more about this side of the otaku universe.

cyth

2013-07-09, 15:45

Solafighter

2013-07-09, 16:24

To be frank, I don't like this series that much, though will watch it because of Madarame. :heh:

Malkuth

2013-07-09, 16:47

What cyth wrote, I remember from my sister that comiket was always choke full with fujoshi... I think that the misconception is based on what was promoted outside Japan, as well as that domestically it's less of a social stigma to buy hentai as male, rather then female. Also both in Japan and even more so in America, female homosexuals are more acceptable by society than male ones.

In any case, before Ogie's second presidency, Kanako was pulling out yaoi material occasionally, and that was about it... probably the writer wanted to talk about the majority of fanbase eventually... not to mention that I find it more hilarious than the old one.

serenade_beta

2013-07-09, 22:34

Did the series previously have such a strong fujoshi undertone?
Only read the manga, but it seemed to go full fujoshi on the manga relaunch which is where this series seems to be starting.

Not a big fan of the fujoshi stuff, but I really enjoy Sasahara, Oguie, Saki and Madarame's character, so sticking around just to see them.

Which is unfortunate. It really was nice when the characters were mainly male, but the author decided to move towards fujoshi and that type of stuff, so it kind of isn't the same series now.
Oh, and I guess the voice cast kind of matches that feel.

jeroz

2013-07-11, 05:26

I do love the focus on doujin production though. good times

GDiddy

2013-07-11, 08:22

Utsuro no Hako

2013-07-11, 08:34

I've read both the original and Nidaime so I knew who everyone was, but now I gotta pick up the original anime to see what the fuss was about with the voices.

I like the big girl and her friend so far. Don't see big girls in anime too often.

And there are two of them -- the president of the manga club, seen briefly in the pre-credits is the same size. For that matter, Ohno's not exactly skinny herself, though that's more because she has a large frame.

Kaoru Chujo

2013-07-13, 15:03

Ep2 was excellent. I enjoyed every second of it. Beautiful flow and fine characters. As well as excellent voices. Of course, the two voices that most struck me are new ones: Uchiyama Yumi as Yajima (the big girl) and Uesaka Sumire as Rika (glasses). And Kakuma Ai as Hato. But I thought the rest worked fine, too. Yukana's voice always does it for me....

With Kin-iro Mosaic, there's a lot of comparatively well-pronounced English around this season. Sumipe's little bit in class was as good as it gets in anime. So she can not only speak Russian, but her English is good too?

Utsuro no Hako

2013-07-13, 21:46

The newbies having a night out together was a lot of fun, as was their helping Ogie, but Ohno stole the show with her two scenes -- first freaking out the Kuchiki already has a job lined up, then showing up with cosplay at the end. (You have to feel sorry for Kugayama getting called out in the middle of the night just because he has a car. At least Tanaka gets something out of being Ohno's slave.)

And if it's not obvious, the girls were supposed to be drunk during the sleep-over scene, but this being Japan broadcasters can show underage girls naked but not drunk.

creb

2013-07-14, 00:32

stassy

2013-07-14, 01:36

Goty

2013-07-14, 02:58

I guess I'll be the sourpuss who thinks Genshiken has tilted a little bit too far from what I enjoyed about it originally.

I mean, this generation is all women ('cept what's his face who'll probably have about 15 lines all season, again).

I know what you mean, i had a hard time adjusting while reading the manga - Genshiken isn't the same without Madarame and Saki imo.
But stick with it, the guys will get to appear more, especially Madarame, whose story is not over yet.

articuzwolf

2013-07-14, 04:10

http://i.imgur.com/KFLRbTV.jpg?1

this legs should be considered a crime...in many ways

Malkuth

2013-07-14, 05:26

I am sold... the second episode was awesome, everything I hoped from Genshiken... the new girls (and that one super-hot "guy") are so damn interesting :D

PS:.. and yeah I get the complains about Oono and Chukichi (or however is that guy called), but the story is not about them anymore... it's like complaining that Yui@EVA not having a fitting VA :rolleyes:

Guardian Enzo

2013-07-14, 07:34

I guess I'll be the sourpuss who thinks Genshiken has tilted a little bit too far from what I enjoyed about it originally.

I mean, this generation is all women ('cept what's his face who'll probably have about 15 lines all season, again). This feels like the type of pandering something like K-ON does.

Oh well, there are still some laughs to be had.

I truly believe this is a function of the way anime/manga fandom has changed. There was a time otaku would watch anime about guys like themselves - now, otaku only want to watch guys if they're traps, punching bags or impossibly bland and generic place-holders for harems. With no built-in audience for a show like the original Genshiken, you get a show about fujoshi instead, hoping otaku will watch it and there might be enough fujoshi with more self-awareness than otaku willing to watch a series about people like them.

aohige

2013-07-14, 08:43

Ack, KugaP's voice change actually did bug me. It's too deep and cool sounding. :heh:
Tanaka doesn't bug me at all, even though I really loved Seki's voice.

http://i.imgur.com/KFLRbTV.jpg?1

this legs should be considered a crime...in many ways

I have a figure of the scene stuck on my fridge. :D
http://i.imgur.com/nmLEr5X.jpg

lordblazer

2013-07-14, 10:34

I truly believe this is a function of the way anime/manga fandom has changed. There was a time otaku would watch anime about guys like themselves - now, otaku only want to watch guys if they're traps, punching bags or impossibly bland and generic place-holders for harems. With no built-in audience for a show like the original Genshiken, you get a show about fujoshi instead, hoping otaku will watch it and there might be enough fujoshi with more self-awareness than otaku willing to watch a series about people like them.

I think they're pushing it, but to be honest it seems to be the theme of this summer's anime lineup. I'm pretty much done with this show now. Just isn't interesting. I am hoping the 3rd episode is an improvement.

Dop

2013-07-14, 13:53

And if it's not obvious, the girls were supposed to be drunk during the sleep-over scene, but this being Japan broadcasters can show underage girls naked but not drunk.

That is too bad the previous scene was partially "censored" because this is a clue to one of the character's age as they couldn't have bought alcohol in the supermarket due to that restriction.

I noticed that too, that in the manga they'd bought beer. You mean to say that first years at Japanese universities aren't allowed to drink? That's just bad and wrong!
Being a university student is all about drinking!!!

(... and that's why i got a third...)

Haak

2013-07-14, 13:57

DidCart

2013-07-14, 15:47

If you care to look at the official pamphlet on the history of Comic Market, you'll see that women participation was in 40 percentile already back in 80's. So I find your assessment of female otaku being a rarity only 10 years back somewhat faulty.

EDIT: Just checked it again. Actually, it's the other way around. In 2004, circles attending Comic Market consisted 71% women, 29% men. This has been changing in favor of men, they were up to 40% in 2009. To have women participate in such circles shouldn't surprise anyone. Link (http://www.comiket.co.jp/info-a/C77/C77CMKSymposiumPresentationEnglish.pdf).

Yeah, that's the data. But if you think about manga and anime clubs there's no doubt about the rate of men and women.

And bigger then the gender, what changed the most was the style of the otaku fandom. They're not anymore people that don't have social skills or don't take care of ther health or beauty. And, above all, they aren't that much ashamed of their hobby.

But talking about last episode, no doubt it was awesome.
Again they are covering two chapters of the manga and doing it with precision. Okay, the Yajima's room scene was supposed to have booze in it... but it's an understandable cut. Mostly if you consider that they're underage.

Again, a great episode.

The only thing that keeps getting on my nerves is Ohno's new voice. It doesn't fit the character at all!

On the other hand, I'm now ok with Ogiue's new voice. The voice actor did a pretty good job this episode.

articuzwolf

2013-07-14, 15:49

I have a figure of the scene stuck on my fridge. :D
http://i.imgur.com/nmLEr5X.jpg

:uhoh: so what is under...you know

aohige

2013-07-14, 17:03

So this show isn't going to be any more than about a fujoshi group? That's a little disappointing: I like the comedy but this can only go so far and it's a massive waste of potential to leave it at just this. I agree with Enzo: The medium is severely lacking in anime where dudes can just be dudes.

No, just like ALL of Kio Shimoku's work dating back to The 4th Grade, 5th Grade, or the more recent Jigo-Pri, this is going to focus on social relationships as well as coming to terms with own's identity. Genshiken has always used the otaku-circle backdrop as simply a plot environment to characterize the human relationships, and that has not changed at all.

:uhoh: so what is under...you know

Alas, I cannot lift off the plastic skirt, as hard as I may try. :rolleyes:

cyth

2013-07-14, 20:04

Yeah, that's the data. But if you think about manga and anime clubs there's no doubt about the rate of men and women.Genshiken is a circle that publishes stuff on Comic Market as well. So that data is very relevant to it.

And bigger then the gender, what changed the most was the style of the otaku fandom. They're not anymore people that don't have social skills or don't take care of ther health or beauty. And, above all, they aren't that much ashamed of their hobby.Can you please stop spewing random unverified trivia about Japanese fandom that you don't even know for sure it is correct? What you say is what's being sold over the internet as a reimagining of the otaku under the "Cool Japan" flag. As far as stats go, more Japanese people are less inclined to move away from their parents' house to start their own life than ever before, less young people are getting married young, more single people all around in Japan ... These reports don't correllate well with what you're saying. Furthermore, what you say about outgoing otaku is only partially true, because you need to contextualize that first. There are more idol, 2D/3D otaku, some of which might be called riajuu or outgoing, but even so they are still otaku, and society doesn't look favorably down on them, because they fall in the same kinds of consumer spending habits. It's not like "Cool Japan" propaganda machine managed to change the general perception of otaku among Japanese people in just under a decade. That is going to take quite a bit longer. What it did accomplish was to change the perception of otaku, OUTSIDE of Japan, which only benefits merchants who sell things directly to overseas otaku.

DorkingtonPugsly

2013-07-14, 20:16

I know what you mean, i had a hard time adjusting while reading the manga - Genshiken isn't the same without Madarame and Saki imo.
But stick with it, the guys will get to appear more, especially Madarame, whose story is not over yet.

Yeah when I was reading first, it was a bit weird, but I got used to it. And Madarame's still a plenty important character in the new series like you said.

I usually never watch anime of mangas I read, but Genshiken's an exception because I love it so much.

Can't wait for episode three, there's a lot that I'm looking forward to watching animated.

So this show isn't going to be any more than about a fujoshi group? That's a little disappointing: I like the comedy but this can only go so far and it's a massive waste of potential to leave it at just this. I agree with Enzo: The medium is severely lacking in anime where dudes can just be dudes.

Please give the show some time. It just got started. As a manga reader I can tell you this isn't gona be a waste of time and will get very interesting and deep. Don't let it go!

Utsuro no Hako

2013-07-14, 22:04

So this show isn't going to be any more than about a fujoshi group? That's a little disappointing: I like the comedy but this can only go so far and it's a massive waste of potential to leave it at just this. I agree with Enzo: The medium is severely lacking in anime where dudes can just be dudes.

The second half of the episode did open up a more traditional Genshiken storyline with Ogiue enlisting the Genshiken to help her with her manga so she could finish in time to do a doujin for Comiket. And lets face it, Comiket episodes have always been the best part of the series.

DidCart

2013-07-14, 22:59

Can you please stop spewing random unverified trivia about Japanese fandom that you don't even know for sure it is correct? What you say is what's being sold over the internet as a reimagining of the otaku under the "Cool Japan" flag. As far as stats go, more Japanese people are less inclined to move away from their parents' house to start their own life than ever before, less young people are getting married young, more single people all around in Japan ... These reports don't correllate well with what you're saying. Furthermore, what you say about outgoing otaku is only partially true, because you need to contextualize that first. There are more idol, 2D/3D otaku, some of which might be called riajuu or outgoing, but even so they are still otaku, and society doesn't look favorably down on them, because they fall in the same kinds of consumer spending habits. It's not like "Cool Japan" propaganda machine managed to change the general perception of otaku among Japanese people in just under a decade. That is going to take quite a bit longer. What it did accomplish was to change the perception of otaku, OUTSIDE of Japan, which only benefits merchants who sell things directly to overseas otaku.

Everything you wrote is correct, of course, but the same goes for what I wrote. My only mistake was not to level things up. Of course there is more and more people don't leaving their parents house and that's all this marriage situation happening, but we can't ignore that otaku culture is more acceptable than ever in japanese society. I'm not saying that they love it or approve it (of course not), but they don't see them as complete monsters as they did in previous years. Otaku themselves doesn't see them in a so bad way also.

Let's use some Genshiken examples...

When Sasahara entered the Genshiken, he was very shy when talking about his hobby, even with people from the club.

Now take Yoshitake, or even Yajima or Hato, the newcomers of this season. They are way more comfortable with what they are and what they like.

Like I said, of course that it's not 100% true for every otaku out there, but we can't say that they are in a worst position then they were back then.

But hey, I'm sorry if I wasn't very specific on the topic. It wasn't my intention to create some misunderstandings or some ruckus. My bad.

backbone

2013-07-15, 01:31

Tenzen12

2013-07-15, 02:33

from some reason I have impression you and I watch completely different show.

And in your case it's not Genshiken.

DorkingtonPugsly

2013-07-15, 04:43

nojay

2013-07-15, 05:57

What it did accomplish was to change the perception of otaku, OUTSIDE of Japan, which only benefits merchants who sell things directly to overseas otaku.

Otaku are big business in Japan too, in terms of numbers and also economic leverage. Twice-yearly Comiket pulls in 500,000 attendees or about three times the attendance of the biggest US comics convention and they're all otaku (myself included a couple of times). Chuo-dori, the main street in Akihabara is closed to traffic on Sundays because it's so crowded with shoppers and gawkers. Artists, publishers, manufacturers, sales staff and many other jobs in Japan depend on the otaku market and their spending power.

backbone

2013-07-15, 06:21

Didn't you read my post?

Yep, but i was talking about what the show has shown me so far, not about what will happen in the future eps that i still can't see for now

Suryce

2013-07-15, 07:36

Ugh, still a bit conflicted while watching this show. I mean, this is supposed to be a show about manga, anime and the fun side of otaku culture. NOT CROSS-DRESSING TRAP AND GIRLS TALKING ABOUT GIRL PROBLEMS! It's no different than watching K-On!, Tamako, and whatever cute girls doing cute things out there (albeit with adult characters)! Jesus, i didn't come into this show for this kind of thing!

Apologize for the rant, but this isn't even remotely close to the original Genshiken that i used to watch and loved very much. Highly disappointing.

First Genshiken was about male otakus enjoying their things and dealing with their own problems.
Genshiken Nidaime is about female otakus enjoying their things and dealing with their own problems.

It's really the exact same idea with just a new cast of characters. If this was a moe show, the characters would cuddle and stuff instead of having normal relationships, and you wouldn't have a character like Yajima, fleshed out as a believable person with her own difficulties to overcome, instead of being made fun of for not being thin and cute like any main character for a moe show is expected to be.

jeroz

2013-07-15, 07:47

Doesn't matter, this show has got a trap, it's now trash no matter what. Nah nah nah I can't hear you

/sarcasm

backbone

2013-07-15, 08:02

^Well, nice way of summarizing other people's thought into a shallow, sarcastic comment

MeisterBabylon

2013-07-15, 10:08

As for those who sense the increased "moe" appeal of the Nidaime, I'd tend to agree. I could feel that the producers were pushing that angle as far, far, faaar, as they could without actually infringing on what made each of them well, uniquely Genshiken. The rampant Bakamonogatari in this episode didn't help much (and I ROFL'd hard at Sue's performance this season, mirrors the Shion who sudden ups and makes a huge presence of herself in the 2nd season of Baka.)

(Yes, I deliberately spelt it as Baka.)

Whether they actually overdid the moe feelings or not is up for debate. It's not for me. They pushed it, but it always had a catch. The 2 newcomers were "rotten", one even downright fat. Which in contrast to Mio her fatness wasn't at all obvious, just the moe overload. The cutest, most moe performance is a guy (SO WHAT IF HE'S A GUY.)

They feel ordinary and not only that they resemble the anime circle I've become entrenched in. I think that's one of the beauties of the Genshiken series and that clearly isn't lost here. Yes there's more moe than before, what with the all-girl cast. It's not impossible: I certainly saw that happen once, when we got a whole lot of female regulars in a year while the few guys just huddled in one corner playing Starcraft 2. And the new members weren't K-on! airy, which again, another thing done right instead of selling out for merchandisables.

(It would be great if Figmas are made out of the newcomers! I'd want to see how they perform on the market!)

Nidaime is different, and rightly so; I feel the ride would be less enjoyable otherwise. Playing around with Ogiue was definitely what I wanted to see. So, with this opening, let's see where the studio takes us next!

KholdStare

2013-07-15, 13:01

Man this anime is incredible so far.

Also, yes I feel more "moe" in Nidaime. But why do we even care really.

DorkingtonPugsly

2013-07-15, 16:37

Yep, but i was talking about what the show has shown me so far, not about what will happen in the future eps that i still can't see for now

Yeah, I know, it's a bit unfortunate. I didn't really like the change either.

But I'm thinking the author just wanted a change, to write something a bit different. He ended his series but then came back to it later, and I'm guessing he just wanted to put together a story with some different characters doing different things, while further developing the older characters. If you write something for a good number of years you kinda get sick of it, somewhat.

And it does reflect the state of otaku culture in this era more so than the last did. I think that's one of the points.

creb

2013-07-16, 20:53

Well, I'm still going to hedge my bets and say he's not really a trap, and that he is in fact an actual girl.

Soliloquy

2013-07-17, 06:11

The only weak link for me in the new Genshiken series is Hato and Kuchiki. Then again I was never that enthusiastic about a trap character. As long as this character brings in some character development or some sort of interaction like I have seen from Episode 2, this series is just fine for me. I really didn't like episode 1 I guess because nothing really happened.

For me it doesn't matter if the main characters are going to be bunch of otaku girls and main guys like Sasahara or Madarame don't show up too often. If it doesn't devolve into K-on slice of life with sugary sweet stuff, I'd like this series. With the familiar staff, I think it will do fine without pandering too much to the core. I just want to see down to earth slice of life like Jellyfish Princess.

maximilianjenus

2013-07-17, 18:15

cute girls doing cute things.

I amt rying to sell this show to that demographic, it seems to work until penis.

Malkuth

2013-07-18, 09:04

cute girls doing cute things.

I amt rying to sell this show to that demographic, it seems to work until penis.

That's probably why they didn't show it :rolleyes:

Utsuro no Hako

2013-07-20, 14:38

Well, I hope everyone who worried that this series was going to be nothing more than K-on with fujoshi realizes they were completely and utterly wrong.

It's actually yaoi :D

Anh_Minh

2013-07-20, 16:11

Maybe it's because I don't read yaoi, but I don't really see where Hato comes from with his Hato x Mada fantasies. He's totally the girl, so it'd be Mada x Hato.

GDiddy

2013-07-20, 16:52

I love the fact that this show shows female fans in all of their glory:

That we can be perverted just like male otaku are :heh:

Clarste

2013-07-20, 16:53

Maybe it's because I don't read yaoi, but I don't really see where Hato comes from with his Hato x Mada fantasies. He's totally the girl, so it'd be Mada x Hato.

Mada is the submissive type who backs down under pressure, a natural "bottom". It's really mostly about personality. Pretty much all the girls agreed on that immediately when they first met him. I think Ogiue did too last season.

Anh_Minh

2013-07-20, 17:04

Clarste

2013-07-20, 17:09

I dunno... He backs down when it comes to girls, to a point, but he's much more comfortable with guys. And since Hato was (in addition to being more feminine) the one who was all flustered, as opposed to Madarame's laid back attitude (which kinda looks like confidence, if you're going to fit it into a fantasy)...

Which is exactly why Hato switched her perspective on it halfway through.

Also, I just typed "her" by accident while thinking "his" so I'm going to preserve that.

Silverwyrm

2013-07-20, 17:25

Well I'm not feeling this...moe...supposedly in this anime..maybe a little from hato, but thats kinda the joke. Too bad the other male in the group is the one genshiken character I hate, he never offered anything useful to the show imo...

In any case while so far I did enjoy the guys story more, I find the switch up interesting and still a good show. I'm liking it, but I adjust to anything pretty quickly sans sudden boy haircuts :< The time skip was a little odd at first but I feel they pulled out the essentials in a clean manner, I understand what happened in the time between easily enough.

HandofFate

2013-07-20, 18:48

Episode 3 was enjoyable. Mada was a favorite of mine during the first cast near the end when he developed away from just a reg. otaku character. He's mainly the reason I'm still enjoything this relaunch.

His self-reflection and focus reminds me of oguie's and sasahara. Nice now that its finally his turn. Don't know what his voice was like before, but I'm liking the middle ground between 'stereotypical anime voice' and a somewhat more realistic speaking tone.

Haak

2013-07-20, 19:18

Utsuro no Hako

2013-07-20, 22:18

You're totally getting into this, you know.

Madarame's such a sad sack that you just have to root for him when he gets a chance with a woman. Even when the woman has a weenie.

kobun

2013-07-20, 23:53

I miss all the video game referencess what happend to that?! what happend to all of those retro games they had in the room?

Myssa Rei

2013-07-20, 23:54

I miss all the video game referencess what happend to that?! what happend to all of those retro games they had in the room?

They're still there, the thing is none of the girls actually play games as much as, say, Madarame and Sasahara (who got into Genshiken BECAUSE of eroge).

jeroz

2013-07-21, 00:34

Madarame's such a sad sack that you just have to root for him when he gets a chance with a woman. Even when the woman has a weenie.

if only all other pathetic harem leads have as much fun personality as Madarame

novalysis

2013-07-21, 01:53

I think the entirety of Hato's character is the Mangaka's way of parodying, but also questioning the notions of Gender Identity. That being said, I find him one of the most multi-dimensional, interesting and fleshed out character by the third episode. If anything, I think he's meant to represent the Herbivorous Man, taken to a certain extreme.

Pocari_Sweat

2013-07-21, 02:40

Man, I feel really sorry for Madarame :heh:

frodonk

2013-07-21, 07:29

slice of life done right. I regret that I never got around to watch the first 3 seasons. now i think i'll marathon it sometime in the near future.

DorkingtonPugsly

2013-07-21, 17:43

Been wondering is Sue slightly autistic?

Tenzen12

2013-07-21, 17:50

She might be slightly autistic.

OR she still might have problems due language barrier.

OR she realy like cosplaying.

OR there might be various other possibilities I missed.

DorkingtonPugsly

2013-07-21, 17:53

OR she still might have problems due language barrier.

Yeah there's that, but it doesn't explain her sudden outbursts/actions and way she acts. It does to a certain extent but I don't know. I don't think the author's really thought that far into it, probably... She's just a weird character but she's adorable so it's all good.

Tenzen12

2013-07-21, 17:56

Exactly, there is no need stick some labels on her.

Clarste

2013-07-21, 17:56

The basic structure of Sue's character is that she speaks mostly in anime quotes. The implication being that she's not comfortable forming anything but the most simple Japanese sentences on her own so she just borrows the ones she knows. She's a bit weird even beyond that, but nothing exceptional that requires explanation.

Myssa Rei

2013-07-21, 18:24

It's a big thing when Sue doesn't quote anime, which means that she's serious about it. I think she's only done this twice throughout Nidaime.

cyth

2013-07-21, 19:01

Is it too much to expect Madarame to hit it off with a loli-kei character (Sue)? I'll take Mada x Hato if that's not possible. :heh:

Alhazred

2013-07-21, 19:10

The general assumption among the cast seems to be that Sue is trying very hard to 'create a character' - that is, self-consciously adopt a comically exaggerated outward persona, like how Yajima thought/hoped that Hato might actually be a girl who had created the character of a 'cross-dressing fudanshi' in order to make herself seem more interesting. Some of that wacky spontaneity might be natural but a lot of it is definitely for show - and it might put her in an awkward position later.

ApathyEcstasy

2013-07-21, 20:17

Is it too much to expect Madarame to hit it off with a loli-kei character (Sue)? I'll take Mada x Hato if that's not possible. :heh:

I'm on board the Mada x Hato train.

Goty

2013-07-21, 20:29

Is it too much to expect Madarame to hit it off with a loli-kei character (Sue)? I'll take Mada x Hato if that's not possible. :heh:

I wouldn't count Sue out. And what's with Keiko wanting to cosplay as Asuka for him? Maybe Watanabe is more popular than it seems..

Hato? Nah, Madarame definitely isn't gay. And Hato himself still has a denial to get over..

Utsuro no Hako

2013-07-21, 21:33

Been wondering is Sue slightly autistic?

No, just American.

DragoonKain3

2013-07-21, 22:11

Madarame still trying to 'steal' Saki? Nope, no sympathy at all... that's what he gets for getting in the way of childhood friends. :p

It's not as if he needs sympathy, because well, Hato is currently in the process of falling in love with him (Hato is definitely gay, or at least bi, despite what he tries to say) while Sasahara's imouto seems interested in him from the get go. For all of Kuchiki claiming Genshiken is his harem, it's Madarame who is closer to that outcome than he is. XD

Daniel E.

2013-07-22, 01:48

Three epsiodes so far and I am already enjoying this far more than the second season. I don't think anything could replace the first in my heart, but this new season already won me over with the new cast.

haru_sunye

2013-07-22, 03:39

Same, the whole scene with Hato and Madarame was so good that I wouldn't even mind if this season was just based on their romance, uh, you know... ;D

kniteowl

2013-07-22, 04:40

The adaptation from manga to anime is going pretty well, I especially like this episode (ep 3). Especially how they include extra content they skipped on from the original and included it as a flash back.

Mada x Hato vs Watanabe x Keiko vs Mda x Sue, I'm in the Sue camp personally, GO SUE!!!

aohige

2013-07-22, 04:51

I've always been the minority that likes Keiko, Sasayan's sister.

Tenzen12

2013-07-22, 04:56

Keiko... Sue...

Why not both, he deserve it.

Anh_Minh

2013-07-22, 05:46

Madarame still trying to 'steal' Saki? Nope, no sympathy at all... that's what he gets for getting in the way of childhood friends. :p

He's never done a single thing to try and steal her. He just has a crush on her, poor guy.

HandofFate

2013-07-22, 11:05

Only character I really hate is that one annoying other guy left. He brings nothing to the interactions, and his comedic moments are all flat. Even back in old Genshiken crew.

novalysis

2013-07-22, 11:07

Malkuth

2013-07-22, 11:38

Poor Madarame, those were two of the worst days of his life (high school slap being the third one). Not only he learned that for 3 years all his friends knew about his crush on Kasukabe and didn't bother to offer the slightest piece of advice, but even she knew about it and totally ignored him. And then he even gets rejected by Hato-kun... though I hope this works out differently for both their sake. What an excellent episode :heh:

maximilianjenus

2013-07-22, 12:49

(episode 3) that fanservice... it looks like this will be the yaoi anime for the people who are not fans of yaoi, I like hwo this show keeps on morphing.

Daniel E.

2013-07-23, 01:41

I've always been the minority that likes Keiko, Sasayan's sister.

I like her too and I still remember how she was robbed of screen time during the second season. >_<

EroKing

2013-07-23, 01:44

Madarame raising flags among other things in all the wrong places :heh: :heh:
Totally loving this season though :D

Daniel E.

2013-07-27, 15:48

New epsiode's out.

The cosplay bit was nice, but the whole episode went by so quicly, that I had to double check to see if it had actually lasted more than 20 minutes. :eyespin: :eyespin:

nojay

2013-07-27, 16:50

Ah, Comiket. The heat, the crowds, the marshalls...

http://i.imgur.com/IhpTAV0.jpg

prototype_sky

2013-07-27, 17:03

Shouldn't they be using computers to draw manga in this day and age :confused:

cyth

2013-07-27, 17:25

^Some things are better done the old-fashioned way.

HandofFate

2013-07-27, 18:02

I feel most mangas nowadays are done by computer on a drawing tablet.

But most mangas/animes are going have them be drawing because its 'more pure'

Goty

2013-07-27, 18:06

I feel most mangas nowadays are done by computer on a drawing tablet.

Anime, yeah, but not manga. Most mangaka still work on paper.

Malkuth

2013-07-27, 18:25

Shouldn't they be using computers to draw manga in this day and age :confused:

^Some things are better done the old-fashioned way.

Indeed, each approach has pros and cons. Inking for example is so much faster and better with vector graphics panel arrangement too, sketching and shading on the other hand is much easier on paper. It also depends on the manpower, schedule, budget and publishing method. From what I heard usually, panel/bubble, sketching, basic shades are done by hand, then scanned for inking, rearrangement, highlight and effects on a computer... but each mangaka has his preferences. Nonetheless it is extremely rare to hear that someone does not do at least the sketches with pencils.

I feel most mangas nowadays are done by computer on a drawing tablet.

But most mangas/animes are going have them be drawing because its 'more pure'

There are several filters for creating old printing/drawing flaws.

Dop

2013-07-27, 19:07

I feel most mangas nowadays are done by computer on a drawing tablet.

But most mangas/animes are going have them be drawing because its 'more pure'

Are university students going to be able to afford drawing tablets?
I would have thought not. Students tend to be rather impoverished on the whole!

Nice boat!

The cosplay sequence was even better in the anime than it was in the manga.
Rika was cosplaying Tsukimi from Kuragehime (Princess Jellyfish), right? And was Oguie as Azu-nyan?

Having recently read volume 2 of the manga, I feel the anime got that totally right, and OMG episode 5 is going to be epic!

Because I know people who know stuff, I can't help wondering about the whole Hato and Yajima dynamic. If Hato turns out to be transgendered, then pretty much everything Yajima has said to her is at least insensitive and at most really offensive.
I wonder if this will be a plot point? I also suspect this is why crunchy uses female pronouns for Hato.

GDiddy

2013-07-27, 20:21

Sue is one of my favorite characters so far this summer 'NICE BOAT!'

I really like Yajima as well, but she's really kind of nasty to Hato :heh:

Eclipze

2013-07-27, 21:10

So even Angela is interested in Madarame.

Hato, you need to up your game. :heh:

Kaoru Chujo

2013-07-27, 21:31

Magical episode. Slid by quickly and went down well. That was one of the best Comiket episodes I can remember. Not for detail, but for feeling. I love just about all the characters...except of course for Manabu, lol. I love how sensitive and reliable Sasahara is.

Utsuro no Hako

2013-07-27, 22:54

Too bad there's not going to be an episode devoted to Nyaako and Sue torturing Yabusaki.

Goty

2013-07-27, 23:13

That guy who stopped and stared at Hato while he was holding the men's toilet board was hilarious. :heh:

jeroz

2013-07-27, 23:29

Found an explanation image for someone who wonders what all the cosplays in the room are on

http://i.imgur.com/pJRqWkq.jpg

cyth

2013-07-28, 03:56

If Hato turns out to be transgendered, then pretty much everything Yajima has said to her is at least insensitive and at most really offensive.I thought it was implied in the second episode that while Hato has some personal reasons for crossdressing, it's mostly a thing he really likes doing. When he is dressed as a male, his personality and mannerisms change. He wants his crossdressing to be perfect to the point he'd rather throw away his female persona just so he wouldn't taint its female image with a patch of beard. That, to me, suggests he doesn't really care as much about the gender he's dressing as as a transgender person does. They don't throw away their sexual identity just because beard started growing. They ... can't!

He may be a bit confused about his sexual orientation (you know, him being a guy and fantasizing Hato x Mada), but that's a separate matter altogether.

nojay

2013-07-28, 06:59

Are university students going to be able to afford drawing tablets?

Quite a few professional mangakas use tablet-based workstations to create manga today. A few older hands tend to stick to pen and ink.

There's a Wacom Youtube channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfQ_9_PgqF0&list=PL4UR5yxtIwjT0Oiz4jnO_TH7GhPsCmWVn&index=4) showing a few manga artists using a very expensive digitiser/screen Cintiq system to create colour work.

It's worth noting that the MS Surface Pro tablet can match this kind of performance in a smaller screen size -- it can run the Manga Studio program the pros use, its digitising pen is as good as the Wacom and it's almost affordable for students and others of limited means.

Oguie-san is now a pro, of course...

Anh_Minh

2013-07-28, 07:53

She's barely debuting as a pro. She doesn't necessarily have a pro's budget yet, not to mention the time investment that goes into learning to do it on a tablet.

aohige

2013-07-28, 08:38

Meh, armatures. I was already using wacom Artpad to draw back in the 90s, while attending university! :heh:

stassy

2013-07-28, 23:40

Shouldn't they be using computers to draw manga in this day and age :confused:

There is also to note that in the manga and the anime, all of the Nidaime arc is completely anachronistic, because they should only be living in the 2000s while they are currently cosplaying and watching anime that are not supposed to exist at those time (Madoka, P&S...)...this is obviously to stick to the latest trend (also the fujoshi fever was only beginning at those days).

Owning a computer was not common too (especially one with enough ram to run drawing software) and you also need a good scanner and printer...

Also the problem with computer is...you have to do everything alone unless you have LAN and every assistant is working on computers, alone it is very unlikely that there exist a software alone that can create in a pinch backgrounds (I know there exist stock backgrounds and mainly 3D backgrounds to 2D but not everybody can easily masterise software that integrate it, if I remember well Negima author Ken Akamatsu used to have a special assistant for the whole academy area in 3D background).

I am a Photoshop and Illustrator user but when I got my hands on Mango Studio it took me quite a while to get used to it.

HandofFate

2013-07-29, 07:00

Malkuth

2013-07-29, 07:18

Is there an angle I don't quite get with the brief scene with Oguie's old classmate?
Don't really get the female relationships in anime. Is she being a bitch, trying to make up a bit, but too tsundere, or what?

Jealous I guess, not an awful lot of detail was given about what happened... actually this is true for most of the cast, they have extremely few flashbacks.

Eclipze

2013-07-29, 07:31

Malkuth

2013-07-29, 08:17

According to a comment I read on a streaming site, it was apparently manga material that the first 2 seasons + OVAs didn't cover, and I assume was re-written to fit the occassion in the anime. Whether or not it covered all the material is another question.

That's interesting... I have read only the beginning of the original run of the manga, so any manga readers out there interested in making comparisons (according to the spoiler rules of course) :uhoh:

Myssa Rei

2013-07-29, 10:34

Malkuth

2013-07-29, 10:46

Lets say that there IS quite a bit missing, context-wise, as the last few manga chapters of the old Genshiken that didn't deal with Madarame focused on what exactly happened to Ogiue back at her hometown. Her old schoolmate referred to a very small part of it. PMs could be sent for those who're not in the mood to drop by the manga thread.

The problem with manga/novel/game threads is that they are filled left and right with spoilers, and it's impossible to get info about material that has been changed, skipped, and condensed. Anyway, if you could post the chapter numbers would be even better to do some reading.

Myssa Rei

2013-07-29, 10:53

Actually Nidaime has been pretty much a 1:1 adaptation so far. Compare this to the previous two seasons, where for example they excised much of Keiko's (Sasahara's sister) screentime, which makes her appearance in Nidaime also lacking context to anime-only watchers.

Utsuro no Hako

2013-07-29, 11:13

That's interesting... I have read only the beginning of the original run of the manga, so any manga readers out there interested in making comparisons (according to the spoiler rules of course) :uhoh:

Well, since the anime seems to be assuming that viewers are already familiar with the unadapted parts of the original manga ...

Towards the end of the manga, Saki and Ohno start wondering why Ogie and Sasahara haven't hooked up. After a lot of badgering and tons of alcohol, Ogie confesses what happened. Back in middle school she'd been in the literature club with a bunch of fujoshi. They'd had the idea of making their own BL doujinshi featuring boys in their classes, and in particular a boy named Makita-kun whom they considered the "ultimate bottom." The other girls were going to write the stories, then Ogiue would do the illustrations.

But while that was going on, Makita came to Ogie to confess, and she accepted, though she insisted they keep it a secret for the time being. A few weeks went by and everything seemed to be going fine, but then one day Makita stopped coming to school. Then Ogie got called to the office where she found that the lit club had already published the doujinshi and had been quietly passing it around school -- but they only included the illustrations, none of the text, making it into just a book of gay porn involving Makita written by Ogie.

Makita naturally transferred to a different school and there's an implication that he may've attempted suicide. Ogiue for her part got tagged with the nickname "Homo-ue" and eventually tried jumping off the school roof.

All of which is why she had a major meltdown when she first tried to join the manga club in college and found it full of fujoshi, and why she was so outspoken against BL when she joined Genshiken. And of course, since she's been drawing Sasa X Mada illustrations, she's afraid that getting closer to Sasahara will just lead to a repeat of the Makita-kun incident. Saki and Ohno eventually convince her otherwise and get her to show her drawings to him. And Sasahara, being the coolest guy ever, gives her an honest, professional critique ... then offers to give her a personal demonstration of what an aggressive top he really is, which she gladly accepts ...

Kaoru Chujo

2013-07-29, 14:31

As usual, I just don't care if things have been left out, as long as what I am seeing works. And for me, it does, despite my not having seen all of the first season, much of the second, or more than a chapter or two of the manga.

Dop

2013-07-29, 17:45

There is also to note that in the manga and the anime, all of the Nidaime arc is completely anachronistic, because they should only be living in the 2000s while they are currently cosplaying and watching anime that are not supposed to exist at those time (Madoka, P&S...)...this is obviously to stick to the latest trend (also the fujoshi fever was only beginning at those days).

Admittedly I'd not thought of that, but yes, real time has passed quicker than story time, (especially as several years passed between the end of the original manga and the start of the current manga) so the writer has dragged it forward to keep it relevant.
But then again this is not really a story where the timeline really matters, so that's just something you have to take as read.

GDiddy

2013-07-29, 20:20

I don't care. I love the fact that it's a show about female otaku. Even if there's a trap involved.

aohige

2013-07-30, 00:53

Yeah, Oggie's friend and past stuff was resolved before Nidaime.
Resolving the past trauma led to her and Sasahara lovers.
To me it was the best drama portion of Genshiken.

http://i.imgur.com/XFgEFae.jpg
Also.... OMG. Sue just did the R Tanaka Ichiro face. (and his trademark half-bent peace sign)
How in the hell does she know Kyuukyoku Chojin R? That's some old school goodness!

Oh and Comic Master J F**K YEAH. That manga deserves more fame.

Dop

2013-08-03, 14:18

So many background details, I had to watch with one finger on the pause button.
Even spotted a 'Joshiraku' cosplay in one scene.
These last two episodes really need some annotated screencaps!

Having recently read volume 2 of the manga, all I can say is that 'THAT' scene was even funnier.

EroKing

2013-08-03, 14:21

http://i.imgur.com/Mt47YnFl.jpg (http://imgur.com/Mt47YnF)
LoL

nojay

2013-08-03, 16:50

So many background details, I had to watch with one finger on the pause button.

Is that a complete run of Genshiken manga on the shelf behind Madarame's head right at the beginning?

http://i.imgur.com/o9lHuQ4.png

leongsh

2013-08-03, 18:09

Madarame being the focus of his own triangle. XD

Helius

2013-08-03, 19:00

Not very subtle, is it...? :heh:

http://oi43.tinypic.com/35n8qox.jpg

nojay

2013-08-03, 19:14

Not very subtle, is it...? :heh:

Well you can't spell "subtle" without "sue", can you?

GDiddy

2013-08-03, 22:40

Angela's VA is pretty good at English. So is Ohno's VA.

I lol'd at everyone dressing up as Madoka with Sue as Kyubey.

jeroz

2013-08-04, 05:34

Madarame's harem adventure. First a trap, then a blonde gaijin, who will be next?

Tenzen12

2013-08-04, 05:42

TWO blonde Gajins! Don't dare forget Sue:mad:

But in all seriousness Mada x Sue sound like something that would work well to me.

jeroz

2013-08-04, 05:51

So a busty blonde plus a loli? Damn, Madarame got a great package in front of him.

Eclipze

2013-08-04, 06:50

Don't forget Sasahara's sister.

NoemiChan

2013-08-04, 07:20

I say.. I was liking this anime... but Hato-kun's behavior is creeping me out already.... I can't stand it.... My head hurts.....

aohige

2013-08-04, 07:59

Is that a complete run of Genshiken manga on the shelf behind Madarame's head right at the beginning?

http://i.imgur.com/o9lHuQ4.png

No, that's a set of Shigurui manga volumes.
Research at your own risk.

Daniel E.

2013-08-04, 17:31

I say.. I was liking this anime... but Hato-kun's behavior is creeping me out already.... I can't stand it.... My head hurts.....

I don't mind him, and actually like his inner self spirit; which should show up more often IMHO. :p

Rika is still the best of the new characters for me, though.

Dop

2013-08-04, 17:53

I say.. I was liking this anime... but Hato-kun's behavior is creeping me out already.... I can't stand it.... My head hurts.....

I like Hato. Hato is an interesting character and I look forward to seeing how Hato's story arc develops.

Kaoru Chujo

2013-08-05, 00:18

I like Hato. Hato is an interesting character and I look forward to seeing how Hato's story arc develops.I like him. He's complex. Too complex for me (or even he himself) to quite understand. And cute in any gender.

NoemiChan

2013-08-05, 02:37

Guys.... He reads BL and wears girls dress and freaks Madarame out.... I can relate what he is feeling......

Daniel E.

2013-08-05, 23:16

Got tired of looking for a Rika wallpaper, so I ended up making one instead: :p

http://i.imgur.com/J5kae2kl.jpg (http://imgur.com/J5kae2k)

Used a few screencaps from the anime and one illustration from the manga.

EDIT:

Oh crap. I didn't know imgur had a 1 MB compression limit; no wonder the image looses quality when uploaded there. >_<

Uploaded a different version now.

aohige

2013-08-06, 01:31

I dunno why, but for forever she has given me Fujishima Kousuke vibe.
Probably because many of his works have a character with her looks and personality. :heh:

DragoonKain3

2013-08-06, 12:45

A feeling that develops over time is stronger? Man I couldn't stop laughing at that line because Hato doesn't know that Saki and Kousaka are childhood friends lol. XD

But wow, Madarame gets another one in his harem. Not that I mind much, as despite his inferiority complex with Kousaka (which IMO he rightfully should; he's going after osananajimi after all ;)), he's actually a great guy and definitely deserves someone. Can't say gaijin-san (or anyone in his current harem for the matter) is the one for him though.

And Hato only ever felt 'that feeling' in 3d with girls? Sounds like someone is denial. :heh:

Finally, completely forgot that Madarame was completely unaware that he has been fantasized as the uke all this time. That revelation and his expression was priceless. XD

Daniel E.

2013-08-06, 18:31

I dunno why, but for forever she has given me Fujishima Kousuke vibe.
Probably because many of his works have a character with her looks and personality. :heh:

Rika could pull off an awesome Skuld cosplay, if she wanted to. :smile:

Utsuro no Hako

2013-08-06, 21:16

Rika could pull off an awesome Skuld cosplay, if she wanted to. :smile:

I don't know why Ohno didn't put her in the Homura outfit. She's much closer to the right build than Ohno is, her hair's long enough, and she even comes with Moemura glasses.

Jan-Poo

2013-08-07, 00:40

Also.... OMG. Sue just did the R Tanaka Ichiro face. (and his trademark half-bent peace sign)
How in the hell does she know Kyuukyoku Chojin R? That's some old school goodness!

Probably she read a yaoi manga about it.

Jaden

2013-08-09, 06:21

Hato's an interesting character...I mean, there are trap characters in every anime, but you rarely get to see their perspective.

I can somewhat relate to it, having once cosplayed as a female character. I actually went all out that time, having a female friend help with the make-up to the point where I could not be recognised. The embarassment from that event probably left me scarred for life, and I've never seen my friends laughing that hard before. All that aside, the feeling you get from transforming yourself is suprisingly liberating.

I see Hato as a crossdresser that has been seduced by that feeling, rather than someone that genuinely identifies as a female. Well, maybe she does identify as such now, or will eventually, but it's not the reason she started crossdressing.

shalala

2013-08-10, 12:35

Did anyone else notice the K and Psyco pass, Vocaloid cosplayers? As well as Robotic Notes figure and cosplay in the last few eps? Also am I the only once that wasnts Mada and Angela to be a couple?

Ushio the Omega

2013-08-10, 16:32

Episode 6

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Kuchiki-kun!

GDiddy

2013-08-10, 16:38

Did anyone else notice the K and Psyco pass, Vocaloid cosplayers? As well as Robotic Notes figure and cosplay in the last few eps? Also am I the only once that wasnts Mada and Angela to be a couple?

I noticed the references to Vocaloid and Robotic Notes...I missed the Psycho Pass and K references though.

HandofFate

2013-08-10, 19:12

Episode 6.
Sometimes the show gets a bit too fujoshi for me.
But its amusing seeing the situations reversed for a change.
Instead of guys trying to peek at girls with nothing but panties and boobs on the brain.

Its girls with thoughts of penis in their heads all the time trying to get a peak at some balls. lol.

GDiddy

2013-08-10, 19:59

Poor poor Hato.....:heh: He calls the object of his affection a bottom and all the girls want to see his dick. :heh:

Oh, Yajimachhi....just admit it that you like Hato :heh:

Daniel E.

2013-08-11, 00:30

They skipped on a couple of things from the manga, but it was a nice episode still.

Most interesting bit for me however, were the comments at the end between Ohno and Rika, were they hint at the chance of Risa joining the Genshiken next year.

Soliloquy

2013-08-11, 05:25

I know it's only animated character but damn, Kuchiki always increases his deprived side episode by episode. Still it's good that Madarame seems to have bit more airtime than rest of the old crew.

mpt37

2013-08-11, 14:41

Wasn't expecting much at first with the new cast (both characters and voice actors) but I'm really starting to enjoy this anime and Ep 6 confirmed that. Haven't laughed that hard since Nichibros.

maximilianjenus

2013-08-12, 10:58

Your ass ! Give me our ass !

shalala

2013-08-12, 16:20

I noticed the references to Vocaloid and Robotic Notes...I missed the Psycho Pass and K references though.

The Psyco Pass and K references was in ep 5 iirc. Psyco Pass was shown right at the back in the sence where it is just people outside. You could also see Miku's and Rin's Hair in that shot. As for K that was shown where Angila and Ohno where being photographed full legth and you see neko-chan and can't remember the other person name on the side of them. Also Lucky stairs figures where is Mada's room.

Poor poor Hato.....:heh: He calls the object of his affection a bottom and all the girls want to see his dick. :heh:

Oh, Yajimachhi....just admit it that you like Hato :heh:

Why else would she saying to Hato to dress like a guy? :P I would like to see more of Yajima. Soo far it kinda looks like it's more about Hato. Then the other characters.

NoemiChan

2013-08-13, 00:19

Risa x Hato

Best pseudo yuri couple and best pseudo yaoi couple.... dress them and you could have the fantasy of both worlds.....:D

aohige

2013-08-13, 01:38

Risa x Hato

Best pseudo yuri couple and best pseudo yaoi couple.... dress them and you could have the fantasy of both worlds.....:D

And yet, biologically speaking, they would be straight. :heh::heh:

As for Kucchi....
Kio does a great job in making him the most annoying type of nerd.
For the most part Genshiken has been story of likable nerds and geeks, with exception of Haraguro.
The difference is though, while Haraguro is quite accurately described as a douchebag, he is however, very talented in what he does.
A "necessary evil" if you will. Whereas Kucchi is... ugh. He's being alienated and disliked by pretty much everyone, yet he is made impossible to sympathize with. :heh:

He's like that guy even the lowest caste of nerds will look to and say "well, at least I'm not that guy."

NoemiChan

2013-08-13, 02:57

And yet, biologically speaking, they would be straight. :heh::heh:

The better... cross dressing to enjoy your everyday sex life as a straight couple!!!! WOah!!!

Jan-Poo

2013-08-13, 08:44

The Psyco Pass and K references was in ep 5 iirc. Psyco Pass was shown right at the back in the sence where it is just people outside. You could also see Miku's and Rin's Hair in that shot. As for K that was shown where Angila and Ohno where being photographed full legth and you see neko-chan and can't remember the other person name on the side of them. Also Lucky stairs figures where is Mada's room.

There's a lot of references there. In the same shot showing psycho pass and vocaloids you can see two shingeki no kyojin cosplay and Ami and Saya from Suisei no Gargantia.
There are probably more that I can't recognize.

Also at one point Angela says "probably that's guided by the law of cycles".
It's an English rendition of a popular Madoka Magica Meme about a strange and obscure sentence that Mami says in the series.

shalala

2013-08-13, 10:15

There's a lot of references there. In the same shot showing psycho pass and vocaloids you can see two shingeki no kyojin cosplay and Ami and Saya from Suisei no Gargantia.
There are probably more that I can't recognize.

Also at one point Angela says "probably that's guided by the law of cycles".
It's an English rendition of a popular Madoka Magica Meme about a strange and obscure sentence that Mami says in the series.

Didn't notice the AoT but I did see a Titan. Well it looked like one and was wearing a skin coloured suit and was walking like one soo I deemed it a Titan. I have not seen Suisei no Gargantia so I didn't catch onto that one. I did notice a mermaid with green hair looks like she was from some show from last season.

I think there should be a game where you try to find as many references as possible and then post them.