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Why isn't her last name on the thread? O.o
Shokuhou Misaki "Mental Out".
ronelm2000
2013-05-17, 20:40
Misaki's full name WAS mentioned in the Anime right?
relentlessflame
2013-05-18, 00:46
It's just because I didn't take the time to look it up and I couldn't remember off-hand. Anyway, thanks to Birdway above for providing the answer, it's fixed now. (I made it match the name order in the main Railgun thread.)
It's just because I didn't take the time to look it up and I couldn't remember off-hand. Anyway, thanks to Birdway above for providing the answer, it's fixed now. (I made it match the name order in the main Railgun thread.)
So... who's happy that (spoiler from railgun manga and NT volume 7) That Misaki knows Touma personally from before he lost his memory?
It sure makes me happy. She's a pretty funny character, at least in NT 7. She seems a bit less mellow in Railgun...
At least we know so far:
- Likes sweet things, doesn't cares about growing fat.
- Due to her being raised on closed spaces she isn't used to do physical work.
- Doesn't trust people she can't control.
- Dislikes the idea of getting along with gullible and emotionally unstable people like Misaka.
- Knows Touma way before his memory loss, feels in debt with him.
- Likes to get along people with carefree attitude regarding relationships like Touma.
- Her power works on way too many aspects so she needs to set restrictions to herself.
- Her power only works on humans.
Welsh_Dragon
2013-05-25, 00:45
At least we know so far:
- Likes sweet things, doesn't cares about growing fat.
- Due to her being raised on closed spaces she isn't used to do physical work.
- Doesn't trust people she can't control.
- Dislikes the idea of getting along with gullible and emotionally unstable people like Misaka.
- Knows Touma way before his memory loss, feels in debt with him.
- Likes to get along people with carefree attitude regarding relationships like Touma.
- Her power works on way too many aspects so she needs to set restrictions to herself.
- Her power only works on humans.
You forgot about her verbal tic ability.
You forgot about her verbal tic ability.
You mean her verbal tic "ability" and her excellent speaking "power."
Welsh_Dragon
2013-05-26, 20:46
You mean her verbal tic "ability" and her excellent speaking "power."
I was actually trying to put that verbal tic to use in my post for fun.
I was actually trying to put that verbal tic to use in my post for fun.
I know. I was saying on Index wiki, it says she uses ability and power randomly to phrase her sentences. So I added power :)
In combat, While Misaki's "Mental out" is not combat-type ability, she will do better than Mikoto and Shizuri in the battle as she can just mind-control her enemy. However, she can easily get taken out by a sniper from a far range (if she doesn't know sniper is "there")
In combat, While Misaki's "Mental out" is not combat-type ability, she will do better than Mikoto and Shizuri in the battle as she can just mind-control her enemy. However, she can easily get taken out by a sniper from a far range (if she doesn't know sniper is "there")
Since her mind-control ability range is ridiculous, can't she just mind control anyone within a huge area or make anyone in that area just go to sleep (an area that is close enough for anyone to snipe her) in that case, wouldn't she be fine? especially with Exterior?
Since her mind-control ability range is ridiculous, can't she just mind control anyone within a huge area or make anyone in that area just go to sleep (an area that is close enough for anyone to snipe her) in that case, wouldn't she be fine? especially with Exterior?
Probelm is: Misaki (noramlly) prefer to control only those who are near to her (around her) more than huge area control unless it is really necessary. Okey, if she is in combat situation, she may use wide area control just for her safety (unlikely, however)
But in normal situation where she is enjoying her everyday life? Why would she use wide area mind-control in the situation where she doesn't know she is about to get sniped? :heh: That's why a sniper can easily defeat her if needed.
It is one of her weakness to exploit.
Probelm is: Misaki (noramlly) prefer to control only those who are near to her (around her) more than huge area control unless it is really necessary. Okey, if she is in combat situation, she may use wide area control just for her safety (unlikely, however)
But in normal situation where she is enjoying her everyday life? Why would she use wide area mind-control in the situation where she doesn't know she is about to get sniped? :heh: That's why a sniper can easily defeat her if needed.
It is one of her weakness to exploit.
Sure, I agree with this. This is why she tries not to anger Academy City. :)
Tranhieu
2013-05-27, 04:35
But she can always use other people's abilities to protect herself right? Sniping her wouldn't be that easy with so many people around, and most of them are level 3 or 4.
But she can always use other people's abilities to protect herself right? Sniping her wouldn't be that easy with so many people around, and most of them are level 3 or 4.
What if they didn't care about hurting innocent people? It's still hard to protect against snipers unless you are Kinuhata Saiai
More importantly:
By the way, this is kind of obvious now I realize. But the fact that Mikoto said that all level 5's at Tokiwadai started as level 1's seems to be true probably. After all, Shokuhou had to train her mental out to make it stronger. She gradually developed her powers. Therefore, I'm guessing she was originally a level 1.
[SPOILER= Chapters 59/60 of Railgun Manga] Then can we say that one of the only reasons she reached level 5 was because the researchers wanted her to complete Exterior and because they didn't get to dispose of her? Otherwise she would have just had an average level of power. Instead, she got a special curriculum there? I mean they didn't even seem to care about her achieving level 5... they were just going to discard her once Exterior was complete... So... was she there for schooling beforehand? Based on the fact that the researchers were going to dispose of her: [SPOILER] is she a child error? We haven't ever seen a mention of her parents.
I don't think they'd be able to dispose of her without her parents complaining unless she was a child error and was abandoned because of her power to read minds. This might explain a lot... I mean she wasn't with her parents during the first part of Daihasesai. She was with the researcher, right? .................
So, based on railgun and the latest index volumes
She is in love with Touma?
Goldzero
2013-09-02, 14:28
So, based on railgun and the latest index volumes
She is in love with Touma?
never seen her smile like that to anybody else so i guess we can assume yes but i wouldn't take an interest to the pairing much since kamachi has yet to tell us her background with kamijou yet. i wonder when well he make a volume about touma past because its pretty obvious misaki is somewhat set up for us to learn about kamijou past and their relationship.
ACertainStark
2013-09-02, 15:09
So, based on railgun and the latest index volumes
She is in love with Touma?
That is quite obvious now, yeah. More interested in her being key to Touma's past.
Misaki's smile made me go like... uh... um... hello Misaki... are you there? :heh:
I was rather confused... I noticed she acted very differently around Touma... and it is kind of clear that Touma very much appreciates her figure as well :D :D :D which makes it a two-way like... and Misaka seems to think that Misaki isn't even in middle school which could make things even more interesting IMO. :D
So I'm wondering about whether Misaki and Touma were very close before. Though I am confused as to why he didn't mention her by name in volume 1 except for the fact that maybe Kamachi hadn't come up with her name yet... if so that would be nice to know. Hmm... it makes me wonder.
ACertainStark
2013-09-02, 16:55
Misaki's smile made me go like... uh... um... hello Misaki... are you there? :heh:
I was rather confused... I noticed she acted very differently around Touma... and it is kind of clear that Touma very much appreciates her figure as well :D :D :D which makes it a two-way like... and Misaka seems to think that Misaki isn't even in middle school which could make things even more interesting IMO. :D
So I'm wondering about whether Misaki and Touma were very close before. Though I am confused as to why he didn't mention her by name in volume 1 except for the fact that maybe Kamachi hadn't come up with her name yet... if so that would be nice to know. Hmm... it makes me wonder.
It could be the latter, or he just didn't know she was Mental Out, since this is there past. They seemed to have separated, maybe?
Misaki's smile made me go like... uh... um... hello Misaki... are you there? :heh:
I was rather confused... I noticed she acted very differently around Touma... and it is kind of clear that Touma very much appreciates her figure as well :D :D :D which makes it a two-way like... and Misaka seems to think that Misaki isn't even in middle school which could make things even more interesting IMO. :D
So I'm wondering about whether Misaki and Touma were very close before. Though I am confused as to why he didn't mention her by name in volume 1 except for the fact that maybe Kamachi hadn't come up with her name yet... if so that would be nice to know. Hmm... it makes me wonder.
Well, Touma seems to go for busty characters, lol.
Hmm if Misaki was close with Touma, it would be quite like that doujin that came out a few weeks back..., kinda creepy if you think about it
Xero8420
2013-09-02, 23:18
Well, Touma seems to go for busty characters, lol.
Hmm if Misaki was close with Touma, it would be quite like that doujin that came out a few weeks back..., kinda creepy if you think about it
Look at his eyes. Look at what he was starring. :heh:
http://i19.mangareader.net/to-aru-kagaku-no-choudenjibou/47/to-aru-kagaku-no-choudenjibou-3044745.jpg
Dang, I can't believe this thread is inactive for months. We could have discussed more about Misaki in here recently. So, how about inviting those peeps into this party? :D
Now it's a matter of time for us to lose ourselves and go crazy over Touma x Misaki theories/speculation about their past relationship. Things are getting more interesting lately. :eyespin:
Goldzero
2013-09-02, 23:39
Look at his eyes. Look at what he was starring. :heh:
http://i19.mangareader.net/to-aru-kagaku-no-choudenjibou/47/to-aru-kagaku-no-choudenjibou-3044745.jpg
Dang, I can't believe this thread is inactive for months. We could have discussed more about Misaki in here recently. So, how about inviting those peeps into this party? :D
Now it's a matter of time for us to lose ourselves and go crazy over Touma x Misaki theories/speculation about their past relationship. Things are getting more interesting lately. :eyespin:
say hello to my new "OTP":hyper-^v^:.
Xero8420
2013-09-02, 23:47
say hello to my new "OTP":hyper-^v^:.
Because of the recent chapter and NT7, so say hello to the OTT/OT3 goodness. You get what I mean? :D
Because of the recent chapter and NT7, so say hello to the OTT/OT3 goodness. You get what I mean? :D
Um... The NT 8 preview was an even better (much better) indication IMO as to the situation between them :D (or at least how she feels)
This chapter just went overboard IMO lol...
At the beginning when I heard about this, I expected it somewhat. I was like it would be nice if it were true. Then we see Touma is actually somewhat interested... And... then... she just goes absolutely ballistic/head over heels for him in a way... She calls him a prince :heh: I have nothing else to say (but not even in my dreams) :D
Xero8420
2013-09-03, 08:20
Allow me to post these quotes from zibi made a few days ago to discuss this further, shall we? :D
I guess the only thing I liked in this chapter was the few pages with misaki and touma.... I just love Misakis smile there.... and it seriously makes me want to know how and when they met...what was their relationship before toumas memory loss
and I wonder if misaki met touma in person... or she was observing him via other peoples eyes the one she taken control over so touma never personaly met her ^^ so misaki might not be aware that he lost his memory.... or maybe they met as kids kinda in elementary or middle school.... but something happened... maybe some other girls were getting to close to him she got jelous over him and did something to those girls memories... touma learned about it and got angry at her... (like she mentioned here in c62 if he showed up like that to some other girl she would be disturbed...but if its her its really ok as he is her prince)
but still I wonder if she would be able to fix toumas memory somehow... like we see that her powers might work on him (till he doesnt touch his head with right hand) so she might be the key to fix him... but she waits till he asks her personaly
for me the misaki and touma past is one of the most interesting to me and cant wait to learn about it ^^ (I wonder if misaki met his parents ;P like misaka and her parents met toumas)
I know she met him in person few chapters back (chapter titled encounter) but it was after his memory loss.... but when was it the first time they met is the question
about memory we dont know if it cant be fixed... she is the strongest telepath in the whole city she might be able to do something with it... or at least she could show him "her" memory of the encounter they had... kinda from her perspective
but maybe she doesnt want to fix it becouse she knows "that touma" was mad at her and mostly broke all contacts with her.... so now its like a fresh start in which she might not do the same mistake and lose him
If his memory cells were destoryed then he should be a vegetable now...as memories are located all over the brain not just in 1spot... since we get memories from different senses... be it smell of food or grass...to optical memory... if we hear sound off wind we remember it... memories might be based on our emotions too we remember when we were happy or sad... and those brain parts are located all over the thing in many locations.... the feather of light hit a certain area so maybe it just destroyed some "neoron paths inside the brain" that stops the memories from other brain parts to connect totaly
because if he had lost "all" memories... he wouldnt know how to walk, move, breath, speak or read..... generally its like destroyed cells are replaced by new ones... so maybe misaki would just need to start the brain to function properly by connecting few memories to start the chain effect and one memory would bring another one after some outside impulse
like if he would look on sea he might start to remember some memories containing the "sea" so memories of him being close to similar environment....ect.
but maybe aleister doesnt want touma to remember because its safe for him...better not to know what you are and what power you have... the same goes for misaki.... if he had forgotten his past then he had forgotten the time she crossed the line and he broke contact with her (she knows she hurt him and is aware of it...but it doesnt stop her from loving him.... and wont allow for other girls to get too close to him.... mostly the threat to misaka about entering her territory was about Touma... like dont get too close to him or I will act)
misaki might just want to start from the beginning... as she introduced herself to him in chapter encounter... and showed how similar they are :P (biribiri... piripiri) or how she can get so close to him with ease [crossed arms even though they first met... and misaki is not the type to allow herself to be touched by any guy [or new met people] so easily]
I guess the chairman (the girl) is kinda glad that he lost his memory...so he doesnt remember the bad things about her from past and can start from beginning without him hating her (from the beginning of new testament where she thought touma died... and she saw no point of getting up and was just lying around for few days... like if he is not there what is the point anyway)
so maybe the "cant" fix it (aleister the biggest mage of all time that created aiwass cant bring his memories back) is mainly the "it would be better not to fix it".... like cant aleister kinda go back in time copy toumas memories before the incident...go bck to present and put them inside his head :P
anyway its gona be intersting to see how touma will deal with misaka...and I wonder if touma wont make gensei notice him and grow curiosity on his power....
but still cant wait for a moment where touma wakes up inside misakis lap XD (misaka already did that)
Look at his eyes. Look at what he was starring. :heh:
http://i19.mangareader.net/to-aru-kagaku-no-choudenjibou/47/to-aru-kagaku-no-choudenjibou-3044745.jpg
Dang, I can't believe this thread is inactive for months. We could have discussed more about Misaki in here recently. So, how about inviting those peeps into this party? :D
Now it's a matter of time for us to lose ourselves and go crazy over Touma x Misaki theories/speculation about their past relationship. Things are getting more interesting lately. :eyespin:
Doesnt all men do that when they meet a hot chick?
It would be really awesome if this seriously happened for Touma when he knew Misaki:
http://i.imgur.com/ZBuiwrW.jpg
allfictions
2013-09-04, 17:53
Allow me to post these quotes from zibi made a few days ago to discuss this further, shall we? :D
And allow me to post following quotes demonstrating that zibi has no clue as to what the difference between ''semantic memory'' and ''event memory'' is.
We know for sure it can't be fixed. she's the strongest "telepath", yes, but even the greatest cook on earth needs ingredients to make a dish.
Some of Touma's brain cells were destroyed. It's not like his memories are there but are just inaccessible to him, they were reduced to nothing.
That is not quite "memory fixing", that's more "memory transfer". And that's not the sort of thing you should do, unless you're married to the other person or about to die.
I'm pretty sure that the novels explained that what was destroyed was the part of his brain that destroyed his event memory. Every other bit of his memory such as how powers worked, etc remained unharmed.
Event memories, nothing else, those feather were meant to be used on Index to begin with.
Nope.
"Memory" isn't something that is stored uniformly in our brain. There are different types of memory and each of these type are most of the time processed/registered by different parts of our brain, and/or is retained/consolidated in different parts of our brain.
There is what you call short term and long term memory.
1. Short term memory is when you look at this number : 4891427664231618. For a few of seconds you will remember it, but then you'll quickly forget it.
2. Long term memory is when something that was initially short term memories is deemed by your brain worth remembering, and is in consequence registered correctly then consolidated in parts of your brain
Long term memories can also be divided in two : explicit and implicit
2.1 Implicit memory : it's the memory regarding processed that doesn't require your thought = memory that is retrieved and processed subconsciously. For example : Acquired skills or memories of actions that you perform during your daily life (how to hold a gun, how to ride a bike, how to walk, how to write), this one is also called procedural memory.
For example : reflexes acquired through experiences but you might lose if you don't practice enough (Pavlov's dog type of reflex in general)
The parts of the brain involves with that are according to some scientist the limbic system and the cerebellum regions. Touma's implicit memories are intact, so there's no need to go further into this one.
2.2 explicit memory : it's the type of memory that requires your consciousness and your thoughts to remember = memories that your retrieve by explicitly wanting to remember it with your will. There are also two types of Explicit memory : semantic memory and episodic memory.
2.2.1 semantic memory : is the type of memory where all your general knowledges of the world are stored.
Example : definition of "square", the capital of Canada, Abraham Lincoln, Innocentius, etc
Touma's semantic memories are also intact (mostly)
2.2.2 Episodic memory : also called autobiographical memory sometimes, is the type of memory that involves our personal experiences or things that we took part ourselves.
Example : what I ate yesterday, my trip to Hawaii, who my mother is, what my name is, where I live, who thought me and where I learned what a square is, who thought me and where I learned who Abraham Lincoln is, who thought me and where I learned what Innocentius is.
It's this kind of memory that Touma Lost.
Things you have to know about explicit memory is that, the scientist themselves aren't exactly sure what parts of the brain are involved with this, especially with the semantic memory. They are almost certain that episodic memory is consolidated in the temporal lobe region of the cortex. Some say semantic memories is stored in the same region, some says it's stored on other region of the cortex, some says it's stored all over the brain like you said.
The reason for that is that most case of amnesia are about people being unable to retrieve their episodic memories yet, for some cases, have no trouble with their basic knowledges (and their implicit memories, obviously).
Touma had his cortex damaged by a magic spell, resulting in the loss of his episodic memories. Frog faced doctor himself told him the damage were impressive. It isn't just some problem with his synapse that unable him to access those memories, no, his brain cells were destroyed for good.
But he still retains all of his other long term memories (implicit and some of his semantic ones).
rladls716
2013-09-07, 00:18
I have a question.
If Misaki uses her powers on Index what would happen?
Chaos2Frozen
2013-09-07, 00:25
The honest truthful answer? Nobody knows.
Speculative answer? Possibly the same thing as Yamisaka Ouma, only worse because she's an Esper.
Rising Dragon
2013-09-07, 00:29
Best guess? Nothing good.
rladls716
2013-09-07, 00:34
Is Misaki kind of a character that read Index's mind after checking on her profile first or check
her what is inside her head without any second thought?
Sorry for repetitive questions I won't do it again.
Is Misaki kind of a character that read Index's mind after checking on her profile first or check
her what is inside her head without any second thought?
Sorry for repetitive questions I won't do it again.
IMO Misaki knows absolutely nothing about Index.
tsunade666
2013-09-07, 03:23
Misaki probably doesn't even know anything about magic but she is unlike Mikoto where even in front of her, where magic is being performed still reason out that its some esper power or scientific phenomenon (talking about dumb or wall -_- I fell for you Lessar and Mikoto should say high to star of Bethlehem. Gabriel might bit her)
Xero8420
2013-09-07, 05:22
Guys, tell that to Wilfriback. I remembered she has stated this:
Btw, I think Misaki knew about Touma's memory loss after brain controlling Heaven Canceler and making him tell her everything regarding Touma, that would explain why she is curious about Index(she was on the hospital so may know her via memory reading ).
She maybe knows nothing about magic by now, but she will eventually. If Misaki is curious of Index, then it will be a possibility that she will get involve into the magic side soon or later. And don't forget she trust Touma, even when he mentioned anything involves magics, unscientific stuffs, 'hocus-pocus' and sh!ts.
Well kind to think of it, I bet that both Misaki and Mikoto want the same thing in common. Don't you think?
StaticLord
2013-09-07, 14:11
Misaki is a sadist and she already uses her power on Index to dry Touma's bank account.
Proof:
http://i.imgur.com/vf47icL.jpg
Notice the eyes^^ She is possesed.
Misaki is a sadist and she already uses her power on Index to dry Touma's bank account.
Proof:
http://i.imgur.com/vf47icL.jpg
Notice the eyes^^ She is possesed.
Why didn't I ever notice this before? XD
Miraluka
2013-09-07, 14:19
Misaki is a sadist and she already uses her power on Index to dry Touma's bank account.
Proof:
http://i.imgur.com/vf47icL.jpg
Notice the eyes^^ She is possesed.
My life is a lie D:
Xero8420
2013-09-07, 23:39
Misaki is a sadist and she already uses her power on Index to dry Touma's bank account.
Proof:
http://i.imgur.com/vf47icL.jpg
Notice the eyes^^ She is possesed.
Those stars are a lie! :frustrated:
greensoulreaper
2013-09-08, 00:11
Misaki is a sadist and she already uses her power on Index to dry Touma's bank account.
Proof:
http://i.imgur.com/vf47icL.jpg
Notice the eyes^^ She is possesed.
lol...Genius!
Bakaizer
2013-09-08, 09:07
SO misaki is also a stalker, lol
Xero8420
2013-09-08, 09:59
SO misaki is also a stalker, lol
Stalker with a crush... Hmmm... It could be possible. :p
Stalker with a crush... Hmmm... It could be possible. :p
Another one? No wonder why she is Mikoto's rival.
Cosmic Eagle
2013-09-09, 01:12
It would be really awesome if this seriously happened for Touma when he knew Misaki:
http://i.imgur.com/ZBuiwrW.jpg
What's the title of that?
Xero8420
2013-09-09, 02:03
Another one? No wonder why she is Mikoto's rival.
Really... I mean, you wonder why she relentlessly teased Touma back in NT7 via mind-controlled peeps? Almost sounds like she's being a stalker gone crazy in love of Touma. :heh:
What's the title of that?
DL action 80, by Nakajima Yuka (Digital Lover). It was published for CT22. It seems like she was wondering how their relationship look like before Touma lost his memories. Another great way of speculating with doujinshi.
First kiss, first love. I hope this scenario comes true to justify Touma x Misaki. :eyespin:
Misaki is a sadist and she already uses her power on Index to dry Touma's bank account.
Proof:
http://i.imgur.com/vf47icL.jpg
Notice the eyes^^ She is possesed.
But but... if Misaki were to enter Index's mind, then she would die... D:
Xero8420
2013-09-09, 08:40
But but... if Misaki were to enter Index's mind, then she would die... D:
Get mind-raped. Just like what happened to tsunade. :heh:
Get mind-raped. Just like what happened to tsunade. :heh:
The magical books inside Index would kill Misaki the moment she sees it @__@
Xero8420
2013-09-09, 09:05
The magical books inside Index would kill Misaki the moment she sees it @__@
Like I said, those stars on Index's eyes are a lie.
Well anyway, since Misaki is Level 5, I wonder if she even do have other kind of psychic powers like Mind/Mental Tap, telekinesis, any kind of psychic attack ability? She could be the To Aru version of Emma Frost from X-Men.
Like I said, those stars on Index's eyes are a lie.
Well anyway, since Misaki is Level 5, I wonder if she even do have other kind of psychic powers like Mind/Mental Tap, telekinesis, any kind of psychic attack ability? She could be the To Aru version of Emma Frost from X-Men.
If I remember correctly, she pretty much has no offensive ability and relies on brainwashing/controlling other espers/people to fight for her.
If I remember correctly, she pretty much has no offensive ability and relies on brainwashing/controlling other espers/people to fight for her.
Maybe she has remotes for those things?
leukrota
2013-09-09, 17:47
Well anyway, since Misaki is Level 5, I wonder if she even do have other kind of psychic powers like Mind/Mental Tap, telekinesis, any kind of psychic attack ability? She could be the To Aru version of Emma Frost from X-Men.
What do you mean Emma Frost?
Misaki = Charles Xavier
Exterior = Cerebro (Hell, it's a literal brain)
This scene was mind blowing. Especially after reading Chapter 62 XD
http://i.imgur.com/8cJ4OG1.jpg
Xero8420
2013-09-09, 20:51
^
Nakajima sure has hyped a lot after when she came across with Railgun chapter 62. xD
^
Nakajima sure has hyped a lot after when she came across with Railgun chapter 62. xD
But my question is if she really drew that right after Chapter 62 was released in the magazine O_O;;
Xero8420
2013-09-10, 06:28
"But you are always like this. Perhaps that is the proper form for our relationship ability. No matter how many times I ask or our paths cross, the answer is always the same. Saying this will probably make you angry just like back then, but perhaps that is my punishment for having this power. After all, these repeated coincidences cannot be explained logically☆"
If I combine this with chapter 62, I got a feeling that Misaki might have developed a "bond" or a "link" with Touma's mind long time ago.
"But you are always like this. Perhaps that is the proper form for our relationship ability. No matter how many times I ask or our paths cross, the answer is always the same. Saying this will probably make you angry just like back then, but perhaps that is my punishment for having this power. After all, these repeated coincidences cannot be explained logically☆"
If I combine this with chapter 62, I got a feeling that Misaki might have developed a "bond" or a "link" with Touma's mind long time ago.
I hope that is the case...
Xero8420
2013-09-10, 10:03
I hope that is the case...
You know... When I combined the quote from NT7 with the scenario in Railgun chapter 62, I think there could be an irony about Touma. Whilst his right arm can destroy any red strings of fate from girls and were added into his harem... But his left arm, on the other hand, might have a red string of fate, with you-know-who. And yet, Touma himself is unaware of it.
You know... When I combined the quote from NT7 with the scenario in Railgun chapter 62, I think there could be an irony about Touma. Whilst his right arm can destroy any red strings of fate from girls and were added into his harem... But his left arm, on the other hand, might have a red string of fate, with you-know-who. And yet, Touma himself is unaware of it.
I am not too sure on that case lol
Xero8420
2013-09-10, 10:33
I am not too sure on that case lol
Just a speculation, though.
Whatever the case, I hope Kamachi really does explain Touma's past with Misaki somehow.
Whether it be in Railgun or in Index.
I feel Misaki would seriously skyrocket off the chart more after Railgun Season 3 is animated that people may demand more support for her lol.
I have a question:
From Misaki's flashback, she looked very different from how she currently does as a child. Does anyone think it is possible that Touma knows/knew how the old Misaki looked, but does not know how the older Misaki looks so she didn't think it was weird when he didn't recognize her (i.e. because of her new large bust...)
Does anyone think this is possible? Her figure changed a lot from the flashback to the current time of chapter 62 at least :heh:
So I'm wondering if it is true that she didn't suspect anything about Touma's memory loss because of that.
Xero8420
2013-09-10, 23:14
I have a question:
From Misaki's flashback, she looked very different from how she currently does as a child. Does anyone think it is possible that Touma knows/knew how the old Misaki looked, but does not know how the older Misaki looks so she didn't think it was weird when he didn't recognize her (i.e. because of her new large bust...)
Does anyone think this is possible? Her figure changed a lot from the flashback to the current time of chapter 62 at least :heh:
So I'm wondering if it is true that she didn't suspect anything about Touma's memory loss because of that.
Well it's hard to say... but we got to know when Misaki met Touma on the first sight, or the latter met the former in the past. Or maybe he's more interested on busty girls? :rolleyes:
If Seria is Touma's childhood friend and knew Misaki before as well as the existence of rivalry between her and Misaki, then Misaki may have met Touma during the childhood time, elementary school I think. But in post-childhood time, on the other hand, it's unclear if she still having a relationship with him at that time being.
Speaking of memory loss, I think she's aware of it most of the time since Daihaisei. Or did she already knew it? :rolleyes: Let's just say that she might have visited Touma in hospital and learned that Touma has suffered memory losses through Heaven Canceller before Index came to the hospital and see Touma. Pretend Misaki knew that Touma has 'amnesia'.
Well it's hard to say... but we got to know when Misaki met Touma on the first sight, or the latter met the former in the past. Or maybe he's more interested on busty girls? :rolleyes:
If Seria is Touma's childhood friend and knew Misaki before as well as the existence of rivalry between her and Misaki, then Misaki may have met Touma during the childhood time, elementary school I think. But in post-childhood time, on the other hand, it's unclear if she still having a relationship with him at that time being.
Speaking of memory loss, I think she's aware of it most of the time since Daihaisei. Or did she already knew it? :rolleyes: Let's just say that she might have visited Touma in hospital and learned that Touma has suffered memory losses through Heaven Canceller before Index came to the hospital and see Touma. Pretend Misaki knew that Touma has 'amnesia'.
I'm not sure she thinks he has amensia until NT 7'ish...
allfictions
2013-09-10, 23:37
How can Kumokawa be Touma's friend? He adresses her as senpai
“…Shut up. It’s just my usual misfortune.”
“I wonder how that misfortune works. If you looked into it, you might be able to find an interesting set of rules behind it.”
“You certainly seem to be enjoying yourself, senpai.”
Second week of July.
How can Kumokawa be Touma's friend? He adresses her as senpai
Second week of July.
It's more like he's her friend than she's his friend. I.e. the relationship is one way.
greensoulreaper
2013-09-10, 23:49
I hope that is the case...
You "hope" that is the case? What could be worse? Clingy childhood friend? Stalker? Rapist? Closet yandere? :D
Xero8420
2013-09-11, 00:23
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If Misaki is a yandere, she could have threatened any girls who acquianted on Touma straight away, or maybe towards Touma. :heh: She could be a stalker with a crush literally, though. :heh:
How can Kumokawa be Touma's friend? He adresses her as senpai
Seria is related to Touma's past, unfortunately. Her rivalry towards Misaki might have something to do with it.
allfictions
2013-09-11, 00:51
Seria is related to Touma's past, unfortunately. Her rivalry towards Misaki might have something to do with it.
If they truly were childhood friends, then Touma would adress her by her name.
Since he doesn't, the three-way childhood friends route needs to be taken out.
Of course she is related to Touma's past, but we already had hints of it way before NT6 and 7, it seems people realize it only now.
I'm not sure she thinks he has amensia until NT 7'ish...
I don't know... I mean if she did know him before, I don't think she really would have "introduced" herself in the Daihaisei arc.
Rising Dragon
2013-09-11, 15:02
Maybe, maybe not. The girl DOES seem to enjoy playing mind games with people. The only thing I find suspicious about her introduction to Touma in the manga is how they didn't show her eyes at all when Mikoto introduced Touma to her.
Maybe, maybe not. The girl DOES seem to enjoy playing mind games with people. The only thing I find suspicious about her introduction to Touma in the manga is how they didn't show her eyes at all when Mikoto introduced Touma to her.
I think it might have had a scene where she had surprised looks, seeing Touma after a long time.
If they truly were childhood friends, then Touma would adress her by her name.
Since he doesn't, the three-way childhood friends route needs to be taken out.
Of course she is related to Touma's past, but we already had hints of it way before NT6 and 7, it seems people realize it only now.
But he lost his memories... I mean wouldn't that be an obvious reason that he doesn't even know who they are anymore so he can't address them as childhood friends :heh:
I mean Misaki acts as if he should know her, but he acts as if he doesn't. The reason he acts that way is because he doesn't remember her. She remembers him though especially with the way she acts towards him :heh:
In terms of Seria, I am guessing something similar might be going on. This is completely possible. So I do not see any reason at all they couldn't have been childhood friends.
I more subscribe to the idea that they were close before (i.e. they had met each other several times at least and that one of them liked the other one), but I'm still open to the fact that they were actually childhood friends.
First of all, it's possible Touma didn't recognize her. It is possible she didn't want Misaka to know that Touma knew her from before if he wasn't saying anything because he might have done something for her just like he did for Mikoto with the sisters and it would be totally private. In terms of Mikoto she is super naive and open and doesn't hide everything.
However, as we see Misaki doesn't trust anyone and doesn't reveal any of her secrets at all to anyone she doesn't trust. It just seems that she might of thought that Touma was being subtle by pretending not to know her... which is the reason she changed the subject and started to go do other stuff.
This would fit in with her character.
IMO the biggest thing about Misaki is that she implicitly trusts Touma when she trusts no one else. This is a large sign that she knows him and they were either close or that he did something big for her, because she otherwise wouldn't trust anyone.
She can't even mind control Touma and yet she trusts him. This should be worth noting. She doesn't trust Mikoto because she can't mind control her. This should make it clear even just from the railgun manga that there is some connection between the two that Shokuhou knows even if Touma doesn't.
I wouldn't say they are childhood friends really. But I would say the relationship was kind of close, maybe not romantically.
Considering Misaki does know Touma's imagine breaker, I would say they had a good relationship as friends or something.
I wouldn't say they are childhood friends really. But I would say the relationship was kind of close, maybe not romantically.
Considering Misaki does know Touma's imagine breaker, I would say they had a good relationship as friends or something.
Re-read the last part of what I said :heh:
She trusts Touma even though she can't use her powers on him. She doesn't trust Mikoto who is openly kind/tsundere for that exact reason.
Also, Touma lost his memories and she might think he was keeping her privacy so she didn't suspect anything. Does that sound right?
allfictions
2013-09-11, 16:12
But he lost his memories... I mean wouldn't that be an obvious reason that he doesn't even know who they are anymore so he can't address them as childhood friends :heh:
In terms of Seria, I am guessing something similar might be going on. This is completely possible. So I do not see any reason at all they couldn't have been childhood friends.
I more subscribe to the idea that they were close before (i.e. they had met each other several times at least and that one of them liked the other one), but I'm still open to the fact that they were actually childhood friends.
Re-read my excerpt from SS2. Date: second week of July, meaning before he lost his memories.
I have nothing against the ''Misaki and Touma are childhood friends'' theory, but the part with Seria just doesn't make sense, that was my point.
Re-read my excerpt from SS2. Date: second week of July, meaning before he lost his memories.
I have nothing against the ''Misaki and Touma are childhood friends'' theory, but the part with Seria just doesn't make sense, that was my point.
Ah. Sorry lol. I see what you mean. :heh: Though he might have lost his memories more than once in his lifetime. (considering his character)
Ah. Sorry lol. I see what you mean. :heh: Though he might have lost his memories more than once in his lifetime. (considering his character)
Eh.......... I wouldn't say that.
Eh.......... I wouldn't say that.
I just mean... seeing what he goes through... the trauma he's been through... I don't see why he mightn't have lost his memories another time before. Given the fact that he's been in AC for like 4 months in terms of when the LNs started telling some of his daily adventures... and he was presumably with the same type of personality before he could go to a heaven's Canceller after each battle arc.
I would be surprised if there was a photo of Touma and Misaki while they were young if they really were childhood friends.
FUND IT!
Is what I want to say, but the past that was shown in Railgun manga kind of contradicts that factor...
I would be surprised if there was a photo of Touma and Misaki while they were young if they really were childhood friends.
FUND IT!
Is what I want to say, but the past that was shown in Railgun manga kind of contradicts that factor...
Well what happened to her after that incident. She had to go somewhere right? I wouldn't be surprised if she went to Touma in the meantime before she had to go to Tokiwadai... or it could have happened before that project first occurred.
rladls716
2013-09-11, 22:44
Does her ability works against a magician with God's Right Seat Divine Punishiment? It's kind of hard to aim without any bad feeling towards the target.
Xero8420
2013-09-11, 23:02
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We can't tell if her Mental Out really works on mages.
Though I was hoping she could deal with Freyja's mind-control if she was there. :/
I just mean... seeing what he goes through... the trauma he's been through... I don't see why he mightn't have lost his memories another time before. Given the fact that he's been in AC for like 4 months in terms of when the LNs started telling some of his daily adventures... and he was presumably with the same type of personality before he could go to a heaven's Canceller after each battle arc.
Are you sure he was in AC for 4 months before the beginning of Index/Railgun? :confused:
I would be surprised if there was a photo of Touma and Misaki while they were young if they really were childhood friends.
FUND IT!
Is what I want to say, but the past that was shown in Railgun manga kind of contradicts that factor...
x2 this~!
Well, she was in AC at a very young age. But it's unclear if Touma was in AC at that time as well, so as Seria (since she became one of the board directors of AC).
tsunade666
2013-09-11, 23:06
Touma enters academy city after prep-school so his in academy city since grade 1 or elementary. Though I don't know about Misaki.
Xero8420
2013-09-11, 23:20
Touma enters academy city after prep-school so his in academy city since grade 1 or elementary. Though I don't know about Misaki.
The flashback in chapter 59 has shown that Misaki was in AC at a young age, but not sure when precisely. Elementary?
Miraluka
2013-09-11, 23:26
Maybe middle school, Touma was on AC at that time already(see vol.4).
Xero8420
2013-09-11, 23:39
OK, I'm a bit confused here. Touma was in AC since elementary or middle school? :confused:
Miraluka
2013-09-12, 00:14
He moved to AC about the time he was on elementary school due to the massive bullying.
Xero8420
2013-09-12, 01:48
He moved to AC about the time he was on elementary school due to the massive bullying.
Thanks for clarification. Being moved out to AC due to his mass-contribution of misfortunes around him, eh? :heh:
If Misaki moved into AC in middle school, then it couldn't be right since she was already there when she was a kid. In that case... then it could probably support the theory that Misaki may have met Touma (along with Seria) around the childhood times. At most would be late-childhood/adolescent time if childhood period is not viable.
allfictions
2013-09-12, 05:02
Sigh
I keep saying it times and times again, but people, stop involving Seria since there's basically nothing supporting a childhood friend route involving her.:uhoh:
With Misaki as a childhood friend, doubtful but plausible.
With Seria as a second childhood friend, despite proof of the contrary, it's a fantasy.
Miraluka
2013-09-12, 05:43
^ Logic says no until proved otherwise.
Remember how Misaki says how she was alienated before?
http://i.imgur.com/pwlWHQQ.png
So how did she become more confident with her powers and actually start to attract servants/friends?
I wouldn't be surprised if Touma was the one who gave her confidence on her powers :D
Like example Misaki is alone or something back in Elementary School, then Touma approaches her and tries to befriend her and tells her that he tends to get alienated too somewhat because of his misfortune and such.
Like, maybe have this happen after the Dolly incident maybe.
Xero8420
2013-09-12, 10:32
Remember how Misaki says how she was alienated before?
So how did she become more confident with her powers and actually start to attract servants/friends?
I wouldn't be surprised if Touma was the one who gave her confidence on her powers :D
Like example Misaki is alone or something back in Elementary School, then Touma approaches her and tries to befriend her and tells her that he tends to get alienated too somewhat because of his misfortune and such.
Like, maybe have this happen after the Dolly incident maybe.
LOL! Almost sounds like Touma moved into AC for the same reason. :heh:
Misaki, on the other hand, did that mean she moved into AC shortly after she newly-found her Mental Out?
Speaking of confidence, I remembered she did say this...
...that is the proper form for our relationship ability. No matter how many times I ask or our paths cross, the answer is always the same. Saying this will probably make you angry just like back then, but perhaps that is my punishment for having this power.
allfictions
2013-09-12, 13:20
^ Logic says no until proved otherwise.
We have had chapters with Seria's POV multiple times, even from before Touma's memory loss, and somehow, despite no hint of any sort, she could be his childhood friend? When he even adressed her as ''senpai'' before his amnesia?`
Not buying it.
I'm against the fact that she is his childhood friend, not that they were friends, big difference.
Miraluka
2013-09-12, 13:29
We have had chapters with Seria's POV multiple times, even from before Touma's memory loss, and somehow, despite no hint of any sort, she could be his childhood friend? When he even adressed her as ''senpai'' before his amnesia?`
Not buying it.
I'm against the fact that she is his childhood friend, not that they were friends, big difference.
I'm talking about Misaki e.e
If you want to talk about Seria, just think of Endymion's retcon.
allfictions
2013-09-12, 13:53
I'm talking about Misaki e.e
If you want to talk about Seria, just think of Endymion's retcon.
Then it was all a misunderstanding :D
Remember how Misaki says how she was alienated before?
So how did she become more confident with her powers and actually start to attract servants/friends?
I wouldn't be surprised if Touma was the one who gave her confidence on her powers :D
I think it was more like she used to use her power to tell when somebody was lying or something like that. So obviously the people would dislike her and would try to keep themselves away from her so their secrets don't get found out. Later she would just control them as she does now.
Everyone is pretty interested in finding a romantic bond between Misaki and Touma. Am I the only one who's only interested in the posibility of Misaki befriending Mikoto in the future?
Goldzero
2013-09-12, 18:12
I think it was more like she used to use her power to tell when somebody was lying or something like that. So obviously the people would dislike her and would try to keep themselves away from her so their secrets don't get found out. Later she would just control them as she does now.
Everyone is pretty interested in finding a romantic bond between Misaki and Touma. Am I the only one who's only interested in the posibility of Misaki befriending Mikoto in the future?
when misaki and mikoto are together you just can't help but laugh, i would like that to happen as well. it seems like almost all the misaki and mikoto fanarts are fans wanting these two to befriend each other(which you can tell we are not alone in this statement as well).
Nah, we want a romantic comedy between Touma, Mikoto and Misaki, in a Shuraba setting :D
Everyone is pretty interested in finding a romantic bond between Misaki and Touma. Am I the only one who's only interested in the posibility of Misaki befriending Mikoto in the future?
If the first chapter of the new novel is enough I can tell they're not friends and there is a clear mistrust from Mikoto towards Shokuhou so far.
Also, I don't want that, I have the feeling people just wants Misaki acting as if she was Kuroko, enough with the real one, don't bring their delusions on Misaki :heh:.
At least Misaki doesn't go pervy on Mikoto =w=;;
Goldzero
2013-09-12, 19:32
At least Misaki doesn't go pervy on Mikoto =w=;;
i love kuroko antics though(she can go overboard though from time to time) which creeps me out.
Xero8420
2013-09-12, 20:41
Everyone is pretty interested in finding a romantic bond between Misaki and Touma. Am I the only one who's only interested in the posibility of Misaki befriending Mikoto in the future?
I wholeheartedly support this idea, actually. So you're not the only one here, though. In fact, I'm all for the threesome shipping. :D :eyespin:
Goldzero
2013-09-12, 20:49
I wholeheartedly support this idea, actually. So you're not the only one here, though. In fact, I'm all for the threesome shipping. :D :eyespin:
so many people are pairing toumaxmisakaxmisakai already. unless kamijou is considering to become a "pimp" i only see one girl coming into hes world.
so many people are pairing toumaxmisakaxmisakai already. unless kamijou is considering to become a "pimp" i only see one girl coming into hes world.
As long as it isn't Index...
Kamachi needs to make the threesome of Mikoto, Misaki and Touma canon one way or another.
Everyone is pretty interested in finding a romantic bond between Misaki and Touma. Am I the only one who's only interested in the posibility of Misaki befriending Mikoto in the future?
Nah, they're only so funny together because they don't get along. If you take that away they're just another pair of friends.
Xero8420
2013-09-12, 21:15
Nah, they're only so funny together because they don't get along. If you take that away they're just another pair of friends.
Misaki actually befriend with Mikoto in a certain degree, but in an uncanny way. She partly trust Mikoto and was willing to share a part of her secrets, so as Mikoto.
Still, it's always fun to watch them catfighting each other. :D
When it comes to them fighting each other, I truly loved this scene:
http://i.imgur.com/RpicdAI.png
Xero8420
2013-09-13, 07:34
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Awww... Isn't that wonderful to see them quarreling just like in a good old times back in school when girls fighting like that is like a part of the norm in our lives? (☆w☆)
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Awww... Isn't that wonderful to see them quarreling just like in a good old times back in school when girls fighting like that is like a part of the norm in our lives? (☆w☆)
The classic catfight :p
Haha I agree that the good point there is the way they "fight", but they can be friends and still be like that (Like Momiji and Ichiko from Binbougami ga!) a little like the Kongou-Kuroko relationship, they seem to don't like each other but they help each other when they need it.
Bakaizer
2013-09-14, 08:14
Misaki is doing well in the ISML tournament, even beating tohka
i think she can win the block D, but it could be quite difficult
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/554/05ej.png
Misaki is doing well in the ISML tournament, even beating tohka
i think she can win the block D, but it could be quite difficult
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/554/05ej.png
She should just use her abilities to win!
Xero8420
2013-09-14, 09:21
Haha I agree that the good point there is the way they "fight", but they can be friends and still be like that (Like Momiji and Ichiko from Binbougami ga!) a little like the Kongou-Kuroko relationship, they seem to don't like each other but they help each other when they need it.
Kongou x Kuroko and Misaki x Mikoto, eh? Looks like both have something in common... Interesting...
Misaki is doing well in the ISML tournament, even beating tohka
i think she can win the block D, but it could be quite difficult
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/554/05ej.png
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Misaki is in ISML too? Dang, I should have seen that coming. :/
Bakaizer
2013-09-14, 09:21
jokes aside, I want another railgun/index character to win the ISML tournament. this could prove how popular and great railgun/index series is
Xero8420
2013-09-14, 09:29
jokes aside, I want another railgun/index character to win the ISML tournament. this could prove how popular and great railgun/index series is
Thing is, Mikoto already won once. So I have no idea who will take its place.
Dammit, niko. I don't see Miskai in ISML! :mad: Are you talking about another Saimoe?
Bakaizer
2013-09-14, 09:53
Thing is, Mikoto already won once. So I have no idea who will take its place.
Dammit, niko. I don't see Miskai in ISML! :mad: Are you talking about another Saimoe?
saten and uiharu are also doing well
you can see it in BLOCK D in the spoiler pic i posted above
Draco Spirit
2013-09-14, 13:06
so many people are pairing toumaxmisakaxmisakai already. unless kamijou is considering to become a "pimp" i only see one girl coming into hes world.
Touma can be shipped with nearly every female character in Raildex tbh ..... and most of them have some form of cannon support! :D
tsunade666
2013-09-14, 13:34
saten and uiharu are also doing well
you can see it in BLOCK D in the spoiler pic i posted above
link to saimoe league please. To lazy to search the web :heh:
Goldzero
2013-09-14, 13:42
Touma can be shipped with nearly every female character in Raildex tbh ..... and most of them have some form of cannon support! :D
i normally hate harem series(including the characters) but touma was a different one in my point of view since index rarely focuses on harem/romance so i hope the author continues to keep it to a minumem. i personally want the guy to pick a girl he prefers and to be honest hes a bit to good for most of the girls in hes harem(not in the looks department since hes barley above average. but lately his new designs in the railgun S anime and hes LN designs are making him very attractive lately)but rather the things hes capable to do which makes him "Husband Material".
If I think about it, an open ending where Touma doesn't end up with anyone might be a good idea as fans can just speculate what will happen in the future after the series end or something, and continue to make doujinshi of the series in an open setting without having to worry about contradicting the main story too much.
However I do want Touma to end up with Mikoto romantically >___<
Misaki is good too though 8D
Goldzero
2013-09-14, 18:37
If I think about it, an open ending where Touma doesn't end up with anyone might be a good idea as fans can just speculate what will happen in the future after the series end or something, and continue to make doujinshi of the series in an open setting without having to worry about contradicting the main story too much.
However I do want Touma to end up with Mikoto romantically >___<
Misaki is good too though 8D
that sounds like a good idea because no one knows what well happen next so they can imagine there own ending and consider what they want the most in their own mind to happen. i guess a harem ending should be a perfect way to end it for those who wants one of the other girls to be with kamijou.
that sounds like a good idea because no one knows what well happen next so they can imagine there own ending and consider what they want the most in their own mind to happen. i guess a harem ending should be a perfect way to end it for those who wants one of the other girls to be with kamijou.
Because if there was a single couple ending, we will see a deja vu of what happened with Oreimo...
More worse if Touma ends up with a girl who has a really low popularity =w=
Goldzero
2013-09-15, 10:58
Because if there was a single couple ending, we will see a deja vu of what happened with Oreimo...
More worse if Touma ends up with a girl who has a really low popularity =w=
yeah, i can see it as a oriemo type of ending with the fans complaining like that but i never really read the series let alone watched the anime but seen many fans butthurt from the ending:heh:.
yeah, i can see it as a oriemo type of ending with the fans complaining like that but i never really read the series let alone watched the anime but seen many fans butthurt from the ending:heh:.
I am absolutely sure tons of people will rage a lot if Touma does end up with Index.
Goldzero
2013-09-15, 16:02
I am absolutely sure tons of people will rage a lot if Touma does end up with Index.
i already seeing people raging about the fact that index is a "NUN" and shouldn't be with touma because of that:heh:. i wouldn't mind at all if touma ends with index because i grown to like her and relized her role and sole purposes is towards touma.
i already seeing people raging about the fact that index is a "NUN" and shouldn't be with touma because of that:heh:. i wouldn't mind at all if touma ends with index because i grown to like her and relized her role and sole purposes is towards touma.
I mind because Index has fallen from being an actual "heroine".
Goldzero
2013-09-15, 16:47
I mind because Index has fallen from being an actual "heroine".
poor index, still i heard shes very popular in japan atleast.
poor index, still i heard shes very popular in japan atleast.
Doesn't seem that way in some polls hosted in Japan XD
Also the amount of doujinshi/fanarts speak for themselves kind of lol.
Goldzero
2013-09-15, 17:10
Doesn't seem that way in some polls hosted in Japan XD
Also the amount of doujinshi/fanarts speak for themselves kind of lol.
well not much to say but i can't really blame the fans for hating on her.
well not much to say but i can't really blame the fans for hating on her.
Even on the Index/Railgun poll Misaki has outranked Index XD
Although some of the other characters are troll polls, fact remains how Index is even lower than Agnese who barely appears in the series lol
Goldzero
2013-09-15, 19:46
Even on the Index/Railgun poll Misaki has outranked Index XD
Although some of the other characters are troll polls, fact remains how Index is even lower than Agnese who barely appears in the series lol
touma losing to misaki since if you put it in a overall ranking without the troll characters he be in 4th place losing to misaka,misaki, and accelerator and i believe index be in 5th place.
Miraluka
2013-09-15, 19:51
I am absolutely sure tons of people will rage a lot if Touma does end up with Index.
Yeah, but they won't have any solid argument or basis o justify themselves besides the "my favorite character should win". Even worse because even Touma has show interest and sexual awareness towards her.
i already seeing people raging about the fact that index is a "NUN" and shouldn't be with touma because of that:heh:. i wouldn't mind at all if touma ends with index because i grown to like her and relized her role and sole purposes is towards touma.
Any magician belonging to any church are not real nuns but sisters(who are allowed to marry btw).
A nun life is that of living on monasteries removed from social and mundane matters while practicing rituals(that strictly forbids pagan practices like magic or esotherism(?)) and chastity devoting themselves to do that until the end of their lives.
Edit:
Even on the Index/Railgun poll Misaki has outranked Index XD
Although some of the other characters are troll polls, fact remains how Index is even lower than Agnese who barely appears in the series lol
Those online polls has lost any credibility due to the cheaters voting non-stop.
Kimi ga Light novel wa sugoi! magazine's polls and alike are far more reliable showing how ranks characters like Itsuwa, Touma, Accelerator and Index. I'm sure the next time Misaki will appear there.
Goldzero
2013-09-15, 20:45
Yeah, but they won't have any solid argument or basis o justify themselves besides the "my favorite character should win". Even worse because even Touma has show interest and sexual awareness towards her.
Any magician belonging to any church are not real nuns but sisters(who are allowed to marry btw).
A nun life is that of living on monasteries removed from social and mundane matters while practicing rituals(that strictly forbids pagan practices like magic or esotherism(?)) and chastity devoting themselves to do that until the end of their lives.
Edit:
Those online polls has lost any credibility due to the cheaters voting non-stop.
Kimi ga Light novel wa sugoi! magazine's polls and alike are far more reliable showing how ranks characters like Itsuwa, Touma, Accelerator and Index. I'm sure the next time Misaki will appear there.
its pretty obvious touma is very popular since the past 4-5 years hes been in the top 5 constantly in the LN poll. i find it ridiculous that hes losing this badly in that poll and the cell phone poll was surely one of the worst i seen in proving characters popularity(you even seen many Japanese fans liking him in there fanbase).
Yeah, but they won't have any solid argument or basis o justify themselves besides the "my favorite character should win". Even worse because even Touma has show interest and sexual awareness towards her.
Any magician belonging to any church are not real nuns but sisters(who are allowed to marry btw).
A nun life is that of living on monasteries removed from social and mundane matters while practicing rituals(that strictly forbids pagan practices like magic or esotherism(?)) and chastity devoting themselves to do that until the end of their lives.
Edit:
Those online polls has lost any credibility due to the cheaters voting non-stop.
Kimi ga Light novel wa sugoi! magazine's polls and alike are far more reliable showing how ranks characters like Itsuwa, Touma, Accelerator and Index. I'm sure the next time Misaki will appear there.
Yeah I guess so. I don't even want to participate in that poll anymore cause of the cheaters =3=
I sometimes seriously think an open ending would be the best for this series. I really don't want people to feel betrayed or have their heart broken after Kamachi goes with his own shipping for Touma where Deja Vu of Oreimo happens with Index/Railgun because Touma was romantically paired up with someone whose overall popularity in Japan is low at the end.
I don't think Deja Vu of Oreimo will happen if Touma is really paired up with Mikoto because she is the most favored female character in the entire index/railgun fanbase and people will be happy.
But really realistically speaking, I really think an open ending is most appropriate for a series like index/railgun with so many girls in the series.
I mean Oreimo had tons of girls and after the author made Kyosuke go major fail guy against all the girls who liked him by turning down on them and making all of them pretty much go through withdrawal and massive rage, after the fans read that, they all went massive hate, not only cause their favorite character got rejected, but also how they got rejected, along with the fact incest ending was made.
Really, I just wish Kamachi gives the most appropriate ending for this series so that it doesn't enrage people as compared to Oreimo making them burn their books and sending threat letters.
Kenju of the Right
2013-09-15, 23:20
Really, I just wish Kamachi gives the most appropriate ending for this series so that it doesn't enrage people as compared to Oreimo making them burn their books and sending threat letters.
only the crazed Mikoto fans would do that(like that one person that destroyed all their Index stuff for the lack of Mikoto in the end of the Old Testament)
and I love it when they get mad like that, because it means they will quit and there will be less over-obsessed fans like that
Xero8420
2013-09-16, 05:17
Funny how you folks began to discuss about polls in this thread. Good lord...
I sometimes seriously think an open ending would be the best for this series. I really don't want people to feel betrayed or have their heart broken after Kamachi goes with his own shipping for Touma where Deja Vu of Oreimo happens with Index/Railgun because Touma was romantically paired up with someone whose overall popularity in Japan is low at the end.
I don't think Deja Vu of Oreimo will happen if Touma is really paired up with Mikoto because she is the most favored female character in the entire index/railgun fanbase and people will be happy.
But really realistically speaking, I really think an open ending is most appropriate for a series like index/railgun with so many girls in the series.
I mean Oreimo had tons of girls and after the author made Kyosuke go major fail guy against all the girls who liked him by turning down on them and making all of them pretty much go through withdrawal and massive rage, after the fans read that, they all went massive hate, not only cause their favorite character got rejected, but also how they got rejected, along with the fact incest ending was made.
Really, I just wish Kamachi gives the most appropriate ending for this series so that it doesn't enrage people as compared to Oreimo making them burn their books and sending threat letters.
That's not gonna happen. Kamachi is maybe a crazy guy, but he's unlikely to be a twisted guy like that author who was 'forced' to fulfill his twisted fantasy. Anyway, let's not get this off-topic, shall we?
By the way, Touma x Mikoto was yesterday, but right now, Touma x Misaki recently emerged as a new canon pairing! Thus, it isn't a crack ship anymore! :D Well, whenever she sees Touma, she isn't in her 'usual' self all of a sudden. She relentlessly teased him in NT7 and the way she made a message to him in chapter 62 indicates that Misaki is being all freaky towards Touma. It's like she's madly in love with him as I mentioned weeks ago. She usually don't behave like that except when teasing. But Touma, she made an exception.
Dang, I don't know how many time I would repeat this? But hey, at least for those who haven't know, this could come in handy. :heh:
Well, shall we agree with tsunade that Misaki is the best pair for Touma? :heh:
only the crazed Mikoto fans would do that(like that one person that destroyed all their Index stuff for the lack of Mikoto in the end of the Old Testament)
and I love it when they get mad like that, because it means they will quit and there will be less over-obsessed fans like that
You should be glad that some fans gradually turned down on Mikoto for a bit after NT3 in Index.
Draco Spirit
2013-09-16, 08:43
Considering all the dating game reference Touma makes in the LN and the general tone of humour , anyone considered they might actually decided to do the multiple paths ending, i.e. showing Touma ending up with several of the girls (and of course the 'bad' ending where they have him end up Style or something). :D
If Kamachi for some reason was to pair up Touma with Misaki at the end, I think that will be overall satisfactory to all the fans :D
Because who knows, Misaki might be his ideal girl (Didn't he like Blonde busty girls XD)
Miraluka
2013-09-16, 10:27
Yeah I guess so. I don't even want to participate in that poll anymore cause of the cheaters =3=
I sometimes seriously think an open ending would be the best for this series. I really don't want people to feel betrayed or have their heart broken after Kamachi goes with his own shipping for Touma where Deja Vu of Oreimo happens with Index/Railgun because Touma was romantically paired up with someone whose overall popularity in Japan is low at the end.
I don't think Deja Vu of Oreimo will happen if Touma is really paired up with Mikoto because she is the most favored female character in the entire index/railgun fanbase and people will be happy.
But really realistically speaking, I really think an open ending is most appropriate for a series like index/railgun with so many girls in the series.
I mean Oreimo had tons of girls and after the author made Kyosuke go major fail guy against all the girls who liked him by turning down on them and making all of them pretty much go through withdrawal and massive rage, after the fans read that, they all went massive hate, not only cause their favorite character got rejected, but also how they got rejected, along with the fact incest ending was made.
Really, I just wish Kamachi gives the most appropriate ending for this series so that it doesn't enrage people as compared to Oreimo making them burn their books and sending threat letters.
So in resume you say if your favorite isn't chosen nobody else should?
Sigh...
About Oreimo, what bothers the fandom(Ruri's) was just that the author made it look reciprocal and then broke it because it was too much of a show stealing(Sister is the tittle character afterall) and, why not?
only the crazed Mikoto fans would do that(like that one person that destroyed all their Index stuff for the lack of Mikoto in the end of the Old Testament)
and I love it when they get mad like that, because it means they will quit and there will be less over-obsessed fans like that
I recall that but it was with the WWIII that it happened; fanboys raging because a) Mikoto didn't had a major involvment against the heavy hitters and only got to stope a nuke(seriously? they wanted her to go against Fiamma?), b)no confession(lmao, as if she could), c) Touma ignored her(just the usual) to say some reasons I found on Sankaku.
It was so hilarious. I want it happen again!
So in resume you say if your favorite isn't chosen nobody else should?
Sigh...
No that's not what I mean. Personally I want Mikoto to end up with Touma. However in a larger view, I am just saying the series may be more appropriate to end with an open ending. For one thing this isn't a romance series.
Bakaizer
2013-09-16, 13:48
No that's not what I mean. Personally I want Mikoto to end up with Touma. However in a larger view, I am just saying the series may be more appropriate to end with an open ending. For one thing this isn't a romance series.
well there is CONsiderable development, plus kamachi has been constantly been teasing us with this romcom situations, so i think it would it be better if touma does end up with someone
well there is CONsiderable development, plus kamachi has been constantly been teasing us with this romcom situations, so i think it would it be better if touma does end up with someone
Development for Touma and who though?
There is development. It's just that Touma is still clueless about it or couldn't care less. And Kamachi doesn't want him to get development with characters that he would like because then it would be hard to write. It might happen just at the very end of the series, so Kamachi wouldn't have to write anything about it... The one main problem I see with Mikoto/Touma ending is that it would clearly also have to happen in Railgun... I'm not sure if the context in Railgun would be near enough to appreciate that... (just saying...) (or if Kamachi is planning it, then we can tell whether it could happen or not based on much Touma continues to intervene in the railgun manga to save her life :heh: )
About Misaki/Touma, I actually think Kamachi prefers Misaki to Mikoto which is why he created a character like her that he wants to see become popular... This is just my theory, but if a character he would really like became the #1 girl character, then it would mean that he could have open character development for a girl character that he really likes and really wants to include in the action. Just my theory...
Kenju of the Right
2013-09-16, 23:46
everyone keeps going on about these ships and who Touma will end with
but they always miss the main factor
Touma
it's about what he cares about
and the person that Touma has the strongest relationship and feelings for(as we've seen) is Index
although anyways I don't think he'll end up with anyone
Except if he does end up with Index, we may see tons of people rage about it. Especially pure Railgun fans.
Miraluka
2013-09-16, 23:51
everyone keeps going on about these ships and who Touma will end with
but they always miss the main factor
Touma
it's about what he cares about
and the person that Touma has the strongest relationship and feelings for(as we've seen) is Index
although anyways I don't think he'll end up with anyone
Afterall who Touma ends with isn't based on his perception? =__= Long time I said people don't care about the guy's feelings :S.
I'm going to restate the fact that problem with the Touma/Mikoto ship is the fact that it would have to appear in the railgun manga as well.
With Index, it's familial, nothing more than that I'm pretty sure except as fan-service.
I just don't see it happening... because if that happened, then his life would really suck more than ever... his finances would be permanently tied into hers :twitch:
About Touma... in the end, it isn't Touma's choice at all. It is Kamachi's :heh: And he has fans on many ends of the spectrum to please. He also has to please himself.
IMO he created Misaki to overtake Mikoto in popularity and be the one Touma ends up so that he can write about a character he actually likes.
Miraluka
2013-09-17, 00:06
With Index, it's familial, nothing more than that I'm pretty sure except as fan-service.
I just don't see it happening... because if that happened, then his life would really suck more than ever... his finances would be permanently tied into hers :twitch:
There is no statement saying that besides those from the opposite ship... eh, family fanservice? What? Incest? lol
He still would lose his money on or other way.
ACertainStark
2013-09-17, 00:10
Knowing Kamachi's out of left field style. None of those 3 will be chosen. :heh:
I'm alright if that happens. But prefer to keep it romcom.
Chaos2Frozen
2013-09-17, 00:11
I could have sworn this was Shokuhou "Mental Out" Misaki's thread...>_>
There is no statement saying that besides those from the opposite ship... eh, family fanservice? What? Incest? lol
He still would lose his money on or other way.
I meant that Index is more like family to him like a little sister (even though she isn't so it's not creepy). :heh:
And yes um... this is the Misaki character discussion thread that needs explanations on every character in the series to give context to talk about Misaki :D
I hope Misaki does something next arc as well.
Kenju of the Right
2013-09-17, 00:34
Afterall who Touma ends with isn't based on his perception? =__= Long time I said people don't care about the guy's feelings :S.
decreasing my faith in the fanbase even further
deep darkness
Misaki needs to join the main romance rival circle!!!
decreasing my faith in the fanbase even further
deep darkness
Zealous fans want to ship... that isn't really wrong... it's just wrong if they blame the author ardently for not agreeing with them and overreact to it :heh: Everyone has their own opinion as to what's better...
Zealous fans want to ship... that isn't really wrong... it's just wrong if they blame the author ardently for not agreeing with them and overreact to it :heh: Everyone has their own opinion as to what's better...
Burning books and sending threat letters are definitely overreaction lol
Xero8420
2013-09-17, 05:35
Folks, try not to discuss about other shippings and other series for too long in here. Cause I'm worried this thread is going to derail if you all continuing like this. :topicoff:
decreasing my faith in the fanbase even further
deep darkness
I don't know about you, but you seems biased with the 'first girl wins' concept. But hey, for series like this, it's fun to ship around. :p Thus, I stand with what Shinhwa said, that an open ending is the best possible ending for a series like this.
Anyway, let's seriously get back on topic, shall we?
Alright, what do you think that Misaki is the best pair for Touma? *tsunade, are you there? * :heh:
I meant that Index is more like family to him like a little sister (even though she isn't so it's not creepy). :heh:
I think Wilfriback means that there is not a single passage in the novels where Toma and Index are described as family.
So the "Index is like a sister to him" thing is just something people who don't like Index would oftenly claim to not fall in dispair, like some kind of denial of reality. Maybe they want to become espers.
Back to the topic.
I think next chatper will show how things are dealt with and only at the very end Misaki will throw to us another bait that will make the public go wild.
Bakaizer
2013-09-17, 12:54
now now, i will only say more about touma-misaki if their past is revealed.
as for index-touma. that's still a possibility.
touma saved mikoto, touma saved index. both have romcom scenes. touma had fights with both of them
most of touma's scene with index and mikoto similar, except
while index was was seen naked. touma hasn't seen mikoto naked. WHY?
Altima of the Gates
2013-09-17, 13:08
Well, like another poster said, considering the developments in Railgun, I am interested in Mikoto and Misaki's relationship developing(one of the reasons she helped Misaka Imouto was because of Dolly), as well as these possible revelations on his past if she indeed does have a past with Touma. Would it develop romantically? Don't know, I'd like it, but I would not be destroyed if it didn't end up that way.
Can't people have multiple reasons for wanting a relationship to develop without it being labeled as just shipping? As long as I get good character development, its a win for me.
I am just hoping Misaki will be promoted more throughout the railgun series since she didn't get her chance for the entire Index novel series until New Testament.
I think Wilfriback means that there is not a single passage in the novels where Toma and Index are described as family.
So the "Index is like a sister to him" thing is just something people who don't like Index would oftenly claim to not fall in dispair, like some kind of denial of reality. Maybe they want to become espers.
Back to the topic.
I think next chatper will show how things are dealt with and only at the very end Misaki will throw to us another bait that will make the public go wild.
My prediction: Next chapter will be about Gensei and Mikoto vs. Touma. I want to see Kuroko teleport Mikoto into the windowless building! Misaki will be trying to get Gensei I think... after she runs away from Kuroko... The thing about her is that I don't think we'll get too much more out of her right now... I have a sneaking suspicion which might be completely wrong but whatever....
And anyway about Index, it isn't obvious that they like each other. It's only possible. I don't see how it is more obvious than the Mikoto/Touma ship... Touma treats her like a child... and I swear I would pity him if he had to end up with her :heh: He would be destitute really... Misaki is perfect for him.
I agree Misaki is actually an idealistic partner for Touma in a way, but her latecoming into the series is the negative part about her... DX
And anyway about Index, it isn't obvious that they like each other. It's only possible. I don't see how it is more obvious than the Mikoto/Touma ship... Touma treats her like a child... and I swear I would pity him if he had to end up with her :heh: He would be destitute really... Misaki is perfect for him.
I would describe her as a selfish gf.
I would describe her as a selfish gf.
When you put it like that, that could certainly be possible as well. I just don't think he actually openly likes her more than as someone he wants to protect...
But I think Misaki will try to tell Touma something important in NT 9 or NT 10...
Chaos2Frozen
2013-09-18, 02:03
I would like to do a comparison between people's attitude towards Misaki at the start of the current manga arc, especially when she memory wiped people as well as kidnapping, to how things are now.
Sadly, the manga thread has become too bloated that it would take awhile to dig through...
Xero8420
2013-09-18, 06:07
When you put it like that, that could certainly be possible as well. I just don't think he actually openly likes her more than as someone he wants to protect...
But I think Misaki will try to tell Touma something important in NT 9 or NT 10...
Only if he finds out and gets angry of it. Remember NT7?
But still, you should tell that to the pre-amnesia Touma instead. :heh:
ACertainStark
2013-09-18, 09:37
I would like to do a comparison between people's attitude towards Misaki at the start of the current manga arc, especially when she memory wiped people as well as kidnapping, to how things are now.
Sadly, the manga thread has become too bloated that it would take awhile to dig through...
A lot of my friends who are trudging through the physical manga really don't like her right now. Kind of annoys me, since I cannot post images, but eh. I tell them that perception will change in Vol 9. :heh:
Xero8420
2013-09-18, 09:43
A lot of my friends who are trudging through the physical manga really don't like her right now. Kind of annoys me, since I cannot post images, but eh. I tell them that perception will change in Vol 9. :heh:
How so? That's a surprise. :confused:
A lot of my friends who are trudging through the physical manga really don't like her right now. Kind of annoys me, since I cannot post images, but eh. I tell them that perception will change in Vol 9. :heh:
Why they no like that sexy blonde queen?!
ACertainStark
2013-09-18, 10:02
Why they no like that sexy blonde queen?!
Because based Misaka and her were at odds with each other. Should judge her character on her own, not what Misaka thinks!
Because based Misaka and her were at odds with each other. Should judge her character on her own, not what Misaka thinks!
Well Misaki although a really nice character was a bit of a bitch until her real personality was revealed XD;;
Xero8420
2013-09-18, 10:15
Well Misaki although a really nice character was a bit of a bitch until her real personality was revealed XD;;
Yay~!!!!! xD
http://images.wikia.com/to-aru-majutsu-no-index/images/8/8a/To-aru-kagaku-no-choudenjibou-4422961_%281%29.jpg
ACertainStark
2013-09-18, 10:16
Well Misaki although a really nice character was a bit of a bitch until her real personality was revealed XD;;
I guess! I can't really dislike her just from a brief showing or what she was doing since there was no context to it till midway through.
Yay~!!!!! xD
Well... What I meant was that I actually thought that she may actually be some bad person after Kuroko, Saten and Uiharu were brainwashed and Misaka 10032 was kidnapped or something and Mikoto was suffering, but after seeing the truth behind her actions, I took back those opinion and saw her in a new light and after her past and true personality came into light, along with NT7 + Chapter 62, I started to want more of her XD
Kamachi needs to promote Misaki more :p
In Index and Railgun x)
ACertainStark
2013-09-18, 11:12
after Kuroko, Saten and Uiharu were brainwashed
You say that as if it's a bad thing!
You say that as if it's a bad thing!
Who would want their friends suddenly act they don't know you and act cold towards you and such when you were so close to them? DX
I hated it when I saw that happen at first. Right now though, I am fine with it :D
Xero8420
2013-09-18, 11:19
You say that as if it's a bad thing!
Mikoto fans would obviously thought it was a bad thing at first. Until Misaki's true intentions was revealed, she isn't a bad person after all. But still, for Misaki, good is not nice for her. God damn, Kamachi has set us up with Misaki's trololol notions.
Well, kind to think of it, since Misaki remembered that Touma was angry of her, I suspect that she may have planted a 'seed' within his brain, saying that it has something to do with their 'relationship'.
Kamachi seriously trolled us for sure with Misaki's actions then there was a plot twist XD
I would like to do a comparison between people's attitude towards Misaki at the start of the current manga arc, especially when she memory wiped people as well as kidnapping, to how things are now.
Sadly, the manga thread has become too bloated that it would take awhile to dig through...
Very interesting question. I actually absolutely hated her myself after I saw what she had done during the arc... and then NT 7 came out... :heh: which changed my mind *slightly* :D
ACertainStark
2013-09-18, 17:58
Very interesting question. I actually absolutely hated her myself after I saw what she had done during the arc... and then NT 7 came out... :heh: which changed my mind *slightly* :D
But you were going crazy in the comments of TAMNI wiki. It seemed much more than slightly, dniv. =P
But you were going crazy in the comments of TAMNI wiki. It seemed much more than slightly, dniv. =P
You can say that again :D That surprise was the definition of Kamachiesque!
Xero8420
2013-09-18, 20:31
Very interesting question. I actually absolutely hated her myself after I saw what she had done during the arc... and then NT 7 came out... :heh: which changed my mind *slightly* :D
And recently, Railgun chapter 62. Misaki confirmed madly in love with Touma and being all freaky on him. :heh:
And recently, Railgun chapter 62. Misaki confirmed madly in love with Touma and being all freaky on him. :heh:
And this is why she deserves Touma in a way.
And this is why she deserves Touma in a way.
Yeah, she's seems to be the most genuinely head over heels character for Touma, which is saying something! :heh:
Is she in middle school really though? That's the real question at hand :heh:
Yeah, she's seems to be the most genuinely head over heels character for Touma, which is saying something! :heh:
Is she in middle school really though? That's the real question at hand :heh:
If she wasn't, I think she may have gone to where Touma is already XP
If she wasn't, I think she may have gone to where Touma is already XP
Good point, though then Mikoto would be suspicious and might tell others that she lied to them... so I'm not sure if that would be so prudent... Then again, hasn't Misaki tried to go to where Touma is... :heh:
Good point, though then Mikoto would be suspicious and might tell others that she lied to them... so I'm not sure if that would be so prudent... Then again, hasn't Misaki tried to go to where Touma is... :heh:
If you mean the Certain High School, I think she is thinking what Mikoto is thinking: Both enroll in Touma's school :D
If you mean the Certain High School, I think she is thinking what Mikoto is thinking: Both enroll in Touma's school :D
Yep, basically. Now watch as all AC girls who like him try to enroll in his school + the girls from outside of AC. Watch the school capacity limit go bonkers :eyespin:
Watch the girls evict other members of the school including all of the clones so that the boy-girl ratio is X-3 where the three are Touma, Aogami Pierce (he will be in heaven), and Tsuchimikado who will have his sister for some reason enrolled in the same school as well :heh:
Xero8420
2013-09-19, 02:26
Good point, though then Mikoto would be suspicious and might tell others that she lied to them... so I'm not sure if that would be so prudent... Then again, hasn't Misaki tried to go to where Touma is... :heh:
But that doesn't stop Misaki from manipulating the people in the school to prove Mikoto wrong. :heh:
If you mean the Certain High School, I think she is thinking what Mikoto is thinking: Both enroll in Touma's school :D
In fact, they both want the same thing: get closer to Touma. :heh:
By the way, do you know that Bee girl = Misaki? Because one of her Kanji characters name stands for 'bee'.
PS: The Ace, The Queen and The King! You know what it means? :D :eyespin:
PS: The Ace, The Queen and The King! You know what it means? :D :eyespin:
If Kamachi uses that factor, the threesome can really come to reality!!!
Ace of Tokiwadai: Mikoto
Queen of Tokiwadai: Misaki
King of Harem: Touma 8D
Ruki0089
2013-09-19, 18:29
Oh my god~~! i never expect misaki would making that cute smile!
I hope we see touma and misaki past soon
and touma learn that shoukuhou misaki and mental out as same person
touma and misaki having conversation like this
Misaki : I know you better than anyone else and you know me better than anyone
Touma : What...do..you...mean?
Misaki : I knew everything about you more than anyone.... for example, your right hand....
Touma : ....are you aware about my lost memory?
Misaki : Of course, once i meet you, i will realize that first.
Touma : ...........who are you?
Misaki : who am i? Hmmm, i was someone that know you better than anyone
We need moar awesomeness of Misaki x)
Xero8420
2013-09-19, 21:02
Or maybe the "pre-memory lost" Touma already met her, but might have cut ties with her for being angry of her at one point. So I doubt that Touma would thought Mental Out & Misaki as two different person, maybe he thought it isn't worth mentioning her identity while confronting a stranger like Kanzaki, who is a magician, or maybe he didn't want to mention her name anymore if he really broke contact with her before he lost his memory.
Or maybe we should consider that back in Volume 1, Kamachi didn't really consider Touma and Misaki's relationship nor even considered her entire existence towards the series that he just put it that way and after she finally appears, a bit of contradiction is happening.
Or maybe we should consider that back in Volume 1, Kamachi didn't really consider Touma and Misaki's relationship nor even considered her entire existence towards the series that he just put it that way and after she finally appears, a bit of contradiction is happening.
This is what I believe. And I also believe that Touma was arguably (just to give Kamachi a break) too stressed to think of her at the time. That or he literally always forgets about who she is after they meet :heh:
I think Kamachi sure has a hard time trying to make sure the current concept matches the stuff he wrote in the past. It's really possible that before he didn't think much of Misaki (since her character wasn't even designed back then), then after he designed her, he needed to make sure things match.
In any case, Kamachi seriously should cover what Touma and Misaki's relationship was in the past. I think Railgun is a good place to cover that plot. Otherwise a special novel.
Xero8420
2013-09-20, 04:04
I gotta review this again:
Yeah, she's seems to be the most genuinely head over heels character for Touma, which is saying something! :heh:
Is she in middle school really though? That's the real question at hand :heh:
According to Mikoto, she suspect Misaki don't seems to be a middle-schooler by looking at her body and her 'maturity' (I love her body, by the way :heh: ). She could be at the same age as Touma. However, she could have manipulated the people in Tokiwadai to cover up her actual age.
Or maybe we should consider that back in Volume 1, Kamachi didn't really consider Touma and Misaki's relationship nor even considered her entire existence towards the series that he just put it that way and after she finally appears, a bit of contradiction is happening.
I think Kamachi sure has a hard time trying to make sure the current concept matches the stuff he wrote in the past. It's really possible that before he didn't think much of Misaki (since her character wasn't even designed back then), then after he designed her, he needed to make sure things match.
In any case, Kamachi seriously should cover what Touma and Misaki's relationship was in the past. I think Railgun is a good place to cover that plot. Otherwise a special novel.
But I don't think Kamachi made that out in Vol. 1 by accident either. There's still rooms for it since she was mentioned earlier, and that's it, nothing else mentioned further until now.
Besides, if Kamachi thinks the way as you stated, it's already contradicted to his early concept. But, I'm pretty sure that there was a very little details about her before Railgun Daihaisei arc. So, I doubt that Kamachi would thought of contradicting his work, especially for a character with very little detail in the earlier stage.
Well contradictions in character/relationship concept can appear if he didn't really think ahead in the long long future. But they are minor and are ignorable, so not a problem XD
I gotta review this again:
According to Mikoto, she suspect Misaki don't seems to be a middle-schooler by looking at her body and her 'maturity' (I love her body, by the way :heh: ). She could be at the same age as Touma. However, she could have manipulated the people in Tokiwadai to cover up her actual age.
But I don't think Kamachi made that out in Vol. 1 by accident either. There's still rooms for it since she was mentioned earlier, and that's it, nothing else mentioned further until now.
Besides, if Kamachi thinks the way as you stated, it's already contradicted to his early concept. But, I'm pretty sure that there was a very little details about her before Railgun Daihaisei arc. So, I doubt that Kamachi would thought of contradicting his work, especially for a character with very little detail in the earlier stage.
I think she was referenced in 7 LN volumes before NT 7 actually :heh: NT 7 was just her big debut. :heh:
It is quite possible Kamachi planned out everything about her beforehand. But... that would be slightly hard to believe even for him... :heh:
That's acceptable but I seriously don't know if he planned that far ahead when he wrote Volume 1 XD
ACertainStark
2013-09-20, 14:32
I don't think he planned the entire story out at Volume 1.
As he naturally thinks of what to write 2-3 books upcoming, not 30.
I don't think he planned the entire story out at Volume 1.
As he naturally thinks of what to write 2-3 books upcoming, not 30.
Of course not XD
No author thinks ahead 30 volumes or something lol
Xero8420
2013-09-20, 20:49
Of course not XD
No author thinks ahead 30 volumes or something lol
No authors are super-humans, ya know. They aren't prophet. LOL!
I was wondering... if Misaki really knew that Touma has memory loss, is there a possibility that she pretend she met him the first time and turned a blind eye? Or maybe, she really couldn't accept the fact that he completely forgotten her?
Goldzero
2013-09-20, 21:11
No authors are super-humans, ya know. They aren't prophet. LOL!
I was wondering... if Misaki really knew that Touma has memory loss, is there a possibility that she pretend she met him the first time and turned a blind eye? Or maybe, she really couldn't accept the fact that he completely forgotten her?
i think you are over-thinking this by a little too much:heh:.
ACertainStark
2013-09-20, 21:24
Of course not XD
No author thinks ahead 30 volumes or something lol
I'm assuming that when he was deciding Misaki's debut for Index and how she fit into Touma's life, keywords like "rival" and "tokiwadai' came up. Easy enough to decide how to fit her in.
I think it really is possible she hasn't seen him for quite a long time until Daihaisei arc.
ACertainStark
2013-09-20, 21:42
Probably went there separate ways sorta. One left before the other, cue sadness then they finally re-unite.
Xero8420
2013-09-20, 21:52
Probably went there separate ways sorta. One left before the other, cue sadness then they finally re-unite.
Separate ways... A few years before Index, I think. Not sure if I could take DL doujins into account.... Maybe I over-speculating things. :heh:
ACertainStark
2013-09-20, 21:56
It seems obvious though. What age did Touma enter AC? Would be easier to guess if we knew Misaki's though. >_>
Xero8420
2013-09-20, 22:18
Touma entered AC at a very young age during childhood times. He was a woobie at that time being due to massive bully. So I think he may have met Misaki within the childhood period.
allfictions
2013-09-20, 22:29
Touma entered AC at a very young age during childhood times. He was a woobie at that time being due to massive bully. So I think he may have met Misaki within the childhood period.
Nah, he would at least have photos of them together, unless they had a massive falling out.
Friends at a later age is my theory.
I think DL 77's story can be somewhat realistic. I think it really is possible maybe they knew each other maybe a year beforehand, but who knows.
Considering Misaki's reaction towards Touma, I really think it was a one sided fall out maybe when Touma got pissed at her.
ACertainStark
2013-09-20, 22:40
I don't think they had any falling out. It's not in Touma's style to hold a major grudge like that and Misaki doesn't seem the type to do that either.
I don't think they had any falling out. It's not in Touma's style to hold a major grudge like that and Misaki doesn't seem the type to do that either.
Yeah, I don't think so either lol. I meant to say maybe Touma left her for a bit after getting angry at her, but really considering Touma's personality, I would say that's not the case lol.
Come on Kamachi!!! WE NEED MORE MISAKI X TOUMA DX
ACertainStark
2013-09-20, 23:47
Yeah, I don't think so either lol. I meant to say maybe Touma left her for a bit after getting angry at her, but really considering Touma's personality, I would say that's not the case lol.
His personality leads me to believe he would rather "fix" that immediately. Whether its a punch or getting biri biri'd on a bridge, he always does it with good intentions, and clearly Misaki sees that in that way.
allfictions
2013-09-20, 23:48
I didn't say they had a falling out, lol, I said that would be the only reason I can think of as to why Touma doesn't have any photos of him and Misaki together if they were childhood friend.
His personality leads me to believe he would rather "fix" that immediately. Whether its a punch or getting biri biri'd on a bridge, he always does it with good intentions, and clearly Misaki sees that in that way.
My only question is when Misaki will actually try to seduce him :p
I think Misaki may really be Touma's idealistic girl in terms of looks XD
Personality-wise... maybe not...
ACertainStark
2013-09-20, 23:55
She is very well aware of Touma's denseness. Though I think she should come up straight to him rather than use Mental Out. :heh:
I didn't say they had a falling out, lol, I said that would be the only reason I can think of as to why Touma doesn't have any photos of him and Misaki together if they were childhood friend.
Oh no wasn't accusing you. In general voicing my thoughts on such a possibility!
Xero8420
2013-09-21, 00:03
My only question is when Misaki will actually try to seduce him :p
I think Misaki may really be Touma's idealistic girl in terms of looks XD
Personality-wise... maybe not...
Her personality isn't entirely clear, especially the paranoia, as well as her intentions of doing something that isn't considered nice or acceptable to some people, even though it was doing for good deed.
ACertainStark
2013-09-21, 00:06
Her personality isn't entirely clear, especially the paranoia, as well as her intentions of doing something that isn't considered nice or acceptable to some people, even though it was doing for good deed.
She certainly does not hate him for whatever happened though, clear through her actions in Railgun/Index.
Xero8420
2013-09-21, 00:28
She certainly does not hate him for whatever happened though, clear through her actions in Railgun/Index.
I think the same way as you do. Although he was annoyed of her at one point, she don't hate him. It's like"you may angry of me as you wish. But you should know, that I love you" (OMG, this is too soon. XP). She completely trust Touma for a reason.
PS: OMG. Am I crazy? xP
She should just really make her move. Considering her personality, I think it may work lol
Xero8420
2013-09-21, 10:29
She should just really make her move. Considering her personality, I think it may work lol
I hope so...
I got a feeling that Kamachi might likely to make a plot of some evil-doers plan to kidnap/abduct Misaki not only for her Mental Out, but also to extract information about Touma's IB, since they had too many hard times to get the IB from him.
Oh man, I'm getting overboard~! :eyespin:
I wonder if Misaki's abilities can affect magicians though...
Xero8420
2013-09-21, 11:27
I wonder if Misaki's abilities can affect magicians though...
My thought? I personally think it could work, but it depends on what kind of magician. She could read their thoughts to analyst them or mind manipulation to disrupt their 'spells', works ideally as a tactician. Those are mainly subtle abilities, so it won't be much of an issue to deal with mages. I hope she actually do have some offensive abilities so that she can be even more meaningful as Level 5 esper. Despite being the weakest, she can be dangerous.
allfictions
2013-09-21, 13:04
I would think that Magicians have countermeasures put in place to protect them against mind control though...
I would think that Magicians have countermeasures put in place to protect them against mind control though...
Does mind-control magic even exist though? I don't we ever saw necessarius use it and instead go for torture...
ACertainStark
2013-09-21, 13:16
Maybe not psychologically, but through voodoo, doll magic you can control the body as this, to some extent, exists in real life.
Maybe not psychologically, but through voodoo, doll magic you can control the body as this, to some extent, exists in real life.
But why wouldn't Laura use it then? :heh:
greensoulreaper
2013-09-21, 13:19
I think she was referenced in 7 LN volumes before NT 7 actually :heh: NT 7 was just her big debut. :heh:
It is quite possible Kamachi planned out everything about her beforehand. But... that would be slightly hard to believe even for him... :heh:
if that is true then...
Shokuhou Misaki = Best girl in the works?:D
ACertainStark
2013-09-21, 13:20
VV - Oh yeah, christianity rules apply.
Chaos2Frozen
2013-09-21, 13:21
But why wouldn't Laura use it then? :heh:
Because voodoo is not Christianity.
Have you forgotten magic 101 about different "fuels" for different "engines" ?
if that is true then...
Shokuhou Misaki = Best girl in the works?:D
YES :D :heh: :cool: :) SHE IS/WAS!
allfictions
2013-09-21, 14:31
Because voodoo is not Christianity.
Have you forgotten magic 101 about different "fuels" for different "engines" ?
Norse is not Christianity too, yet there are Magicians in Necessarius (Stiyl's runes, Richard Brave, Ellastone) using it.
As for mind control in magic, there is legends using it, exemple Thoth's weighing of the heart, and apparently Nekomata and Kitsune can mind rape you in Japanese folklore.
greensoulreaper
2013-09-21, 15:58
I came across this today when looking at old posts, and can't believe I never noticed this little funny thing:
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8176/2011022704182363e.jpg
Remembered Otohime-Chan, She kinda almost like her (she could be Touma's another cousin and sister of Otohime) :eyebrow:
Touma's girl friend :twitch:
The Queen (5th Level 5) in mission :cool:
about the spiky black hair girl with glasses ... no idea :cool:
Again~ I think I also see them during Daihaseisai (Look at the anime)
EDIT : By the way~ How Fukiyose Seiri defeated ? Look at center picture with Seria in it
lol, it makes so much sense now!
ACertainStark
2013-09-21, 16:02
K has she actually been...
Norse is not Christianity too, yet there are Magicians in Necessarius (Stiyl's runes, Richard Brave, Ellastone) using it.
As for mind control in magic, there is legends using it, exemple Thoth's weighing of the heart, and apparently Nekomata and Kitsune can mind rape you in Japanese folklore.
Oh yeah, the Thoth mind-control legend I do remember once you mention it...
Though, I think Egyptian magic won't be referenced until the very end... for obvious reasons if you wikipedia Aleister Crowley... so I think Misaki's role might become bigger then if Thoth (Egyptian Gods) end up coming in... that would be epic... if it were true... The part about Egyptian Gods coming in is probably just some random speculation on my part though... it would be weird... the series turning into YUGIOH :heh:
I came across this today when looking at old posts, and can't believe I never noticed this little funny thing:
lol, it makes so much sense now!
That one girl who shows up everywhere was always mysterious to me but you're right that if she's one of Misaki's puppets, it would make sense why she can be spotted near Touma in a lot of places. :heh:
Oh yeah, the Thoth mind-control legend I do remember once you mention it...
Though, I think Egyptian magic won't be referenced until the very end... for obvious reasons if you wikipedia Aleister Crowley... so I think Misaki's role might become bigger then if Thoth (Egyptian Gods) end up coming in... that would be epic... if it were true... The part about Egyptian Gods coming in is probably just some random speculation on my part though... it would be weird... the series turning into YUGIOH :heh:
The thing is, Thelema was a beefed up modernized (for its time) version of the Egyptian Religion. Each of the main cogs in Aleister's plan (Level 5's, Touma, etc) could a person who is supposed to be an idol (Idol Theory) for each god who is important in the cult's teachings.
Xero8420
2013-09-21, 22:28
Allegedly; we can only take their word for it... Could be all just a big misunderstanding...
EDIT:
Who's that girl :eek: ?! It's like Kamijou Touma only has 6 other classmates aside from him :heh:
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8176/2011022704182363e.jpg
That illustration from the love letter battle (center) is really getting my excited... Just one more day till [Rainbow Spectrum: Colours] is on sale.... I hope Kino here has it... :uhoh:
So, that means......
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/thumb/e/ea/NT_Index_v07_037.png/408px-NT_Index_v07_037.png
Okay, I think this is getting a bit freaky here. :heh: Turns out that girl that stalked both Touma, Index and Mikoto could be Misaki's proxy. This means she really is a stalker. Another evidence of why she still knows that Touma is still being dense as ever. :heh:
Rising Dragon
2013-09-21, 22:38
The girl referenced in all those images wears a headband, though, which I'm not seeing on Misaki's victim.
I am more worried if Misaki will get a backlash/rebound if she were to go into the minds of a magician then see knowledge about magic, which then can actually hurt her as Espers cannot use magic.
Chaos2Frozen
2013-09-22, 00:39
That girl is from Kamijou's class, I think Kamijou-san would at least remember his classmates.
The girl that Misaki controlled is from the School Garden.
That girl is from Kamijou's class, I think Kamijou-san would at least remember his classmates.
What's up with her appearing so much though? O.o
ACertainStark
2013-09-22, 01:53
Would not be surprised if she ends up important 50 volumes later.
Either that, or Haimura likes to be consistent with certain random students.
Would not be surprised if she ends up important 50 volumes later.
Either that, or Haimura likes to be consistent with certain random students.
Inb4 she had a secret crush on Touma > >
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