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monir
2013-06-28, 23:29
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Casshern
2013-06-29, 06:32
It's butcher time! (i hope)

bastek66
2013-06-29, 06:43
It's butcher time! (i hope)
And I hope opposite.

MisaoFan
2013-06-30, 03:23
I will also look forward to watch this final episode, and for the first time since episode 8, I will finally have to see Amy reconcilies with Ledo and they will have their own happy end together, which I hope Gen will make another attempt at portraying this kind of ending since Madoka Magica.

Obelisk ze Tormentor
2013-06-30, 04:01
Damn you, Monir! Why do you have to put “Urobutcher End” on the thread’s title! :frustrated:

Even though it’s true that Butcher will handle this ending, what will you do if you jinx us into a "screw them all" ending ala Butcher? :upset:

ustatsu
2013-06-30, 04:18
I would be happy with both kind of endings. I prefer a good end for Ledo and Amy, but if Urobuchi fulfills his own cliche of no happy end, it would also be somehow funny.

monir
2013-06-30, 05:02
Damn you, Monir! Why do you have to put “Urobutcher End” on the thread’s title! :frustrated:

Even though it’s true that Butcher will handle this ending, what will you do if you jinx us into a "screw them all" ending ala Butcher? :upset:

:heh:

Well, I did spell without a "t", so we can only hope the ending won't be too far off a rosy one. Here is to Buch! :heh:

Funkatron
2013-06-30, 07:59
One way or another, people are going to be disappointed.

ustatsu
2013-06-30, 08:28
You are awesome Sugita-Bot. Greatest character of this season.

MisaoFan
2013-06-30, 08:34
Man, I just teared all over the finale so much. That battle was just too intense, it even caused Chamber to destroy itself, I just wanted to see Amy trying to save Ledo and Chamber, I just cried like a poor little girl so much to the point I was trying to realize what Gargantia has offered to me: it bought a staff filled with my personal all-star people, but VVV outbeat this anime as my favorite and if it isn't here, Gargantia easily end up being my favorite show of the season too. My feelings are too strong in the last few episodes and I even show my true colors that there were not empty, I was just hiding them before the finale. Plus, Ledo is now living in his own life at Gargantia by becoming a definite member, he even gains the male squirrel as a pet, and finally end up with Amy and Grace. This is exactly the kind of Urobuchi ending I've wished for, and I will never forget it.

konart
2013-06-30, 08:36
Color me disappointed.

bastek66
2013-06-30, 08:51
Iron giant end. As I expected.

Dammit Ishikei
http://i.imgur.com/8qnWk8Nl.jpg (http://imgur.com/8qnWk8N)

ReddyRedWolf
2013-06-30, 08:59
Been reading the Bolo books lately. From the pilot machine interface to the self sacrifice to the vague ending with Chamber's remains I can't help but think Chamber as a Bolo.

Gargantia the main ship is actually an orbital mass driver. Using that it forced the Kugel fleet to surrender.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/1372600685629_zps84bdbb96.gif (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/ReddyRedWolf/media/1372600685629_zps84bdbb96.gif.html)
Pinion is caught in a harem like situation. Bellows , Rackage and the brown girl! Bellows and Rackage are fighting over his attention while the brown girl mechanic is very annoyed with those two around him.

Bevel teaching about space with all the contest winner design characters listening.

Ledo is now a salvager salvaging data storage devices to recover the knowledge of the previous age. Amy was waiting for him.

Obelisk ze Tormentor
2013-06-30, 09:32
^ I guess Pinion becoming a harem-lead is the true twist Urobuchi came up with :heh:. Looks like he had enough making the main characters of his works suffer.

Algent
2013-06-30, 09:45
Gundam boot screen ? :heh:
http://i.imgur.com/i6j5oiH.jpg

DuelGundam2099
2013-06-30, 09:57
So.... Lukkage was straight? I admit I did not see that coming. I also have something else I want to say but I will wait until I watch the ep subbed.

Marina2
2013-06-30, 10:03
Man, I just teared all over the finale so much. That battle was just too intense, it even caused Chamber to destroy itself, I just wanted to see Amy trying to save Ledo and Chamber, I just cried like a poor little girl so much to the point I was trying to realize what Gargantia has offered to me: it bought a staff filled with my personal all-star people, but VVV outbeat this anime as my favorite and if it isn't here, Gargantia easily end up being my favorite show of the season too. My feelings are too strong in the last few episodes and I even show my true colors that there were not empty, I was just hiding them before the finale. Plus, Ledo is now living in his own life at Gargantia by becoming a definite member, he even gains the male squirrel as a pet, and finally end up with Amy and Grace. This is exactly the kind of Urobuchi ending I've wished for, and I will never forget it.

Yes! This is the the ending I want to see. :D

I am very happy now.

Kanon
2013-06-30, 10:35
The title of this thread is going to give people false expectations (which some already had). I told you this would be an uplifting show with a happy ending.

Iron giant end. As I expected.

Dammit Ishikei
http://i.imgur.com/8qnWk8Nl.jpg (http://imgur.com/8qnWk8N)

This is totally a cropped porn picture.

bastek66
2013-06-30, 10:36
Winners of contest
http://i.imgur.com/XL5Z5aGl.jpg (http://imgur.com/XL5Z5aG)

This is totally a cropped porn picture.
Yeah, I saw rest, too bad I can't post it here.

ReddyRedWolf
2013-06-30, 10:50
Yeah, I saw rest, too bad I can't post it here.

And you believed it? :heh:

That drawing is fake.

bastek66
2013-06-30, 11:14
And you believed it? :heh:

That drawing is fake.
B-b-b-b but looks so fitting...

pagan poor
2013-06-30, 11:21
Ika Musume lives!!

And funny to see the 3 characters of "dubious sexual orientation" help in the transition of the Kugel fleet followers.

Principalities
2013-06-30, 11:36
Salute to Chamber.

Nothing else matters.

mikeomni
2013-06-30, 11:44
Salute to Chamber.

Nothing else matters.

Indeed, that was quite Gar. Or maybe, very Bolo.

Gravitas Free Zone
2013-06-30, 12:34
Indeed, that was quite Gar. Or maybe, very Bolo.

The Dinochrome Brigade would nod its cannons to Chamber giving its all.

I do note at the end that the Machine Caliber's wreck had become a whalesquid baby nursery... and seemed relatively intact.

My "Okay, I just read that" moment for today:
http://i.imgur.com/fe6r043l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/fe6r043.jpg)

I have no regrets for the final episode turning out relatively bloodless for the main cast.

andyjay729
2013-06-30, 12:35
So in the end, this song from Wall-E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTQD0weUTF8) sums up SnG somewhat well (well, except for the references to land).

So.... Lukkage was straight? I admit I did not see that coming. I also have something else I want to say but I will wait until I watch the ep subbed.

I'm still gonna go with bi.

kakakka
2013-06-30, 12:55
Chamber's a hero in this one.

CHAMBER: Response to final warning: Go to Hell, Tin Can!

9/10

Dop
2013-06-30, 13:06
Perfect 10 if only for Chamber's crowning moment of awesome.

I wasn't that far out with my prediction of how the fight would end, but Chamber's final decision was a good one.

Mind you, I did worry a bit when Amy showed up during the fight, but was relieved that Urobuchi didn't live up to his stereotype here.

ookamigirl
2013-06-30, 13:07
As I suspected, the mecha was behind it all.
That thing was seriously delusional..
It was kinda fun watching two mechas have a discussion.
Chamber actually managed to surprise me with his responses.
Things were pretty intense for the humans as well.
Wow, amazing final episode!

Awrya
2013-06-30, 13:09
The reason Striker went rogue was because Kugel entrusted Striker to follow his main plan and without input from the pilot, Striker reached his conclusions after following the plan and observing the fleet's behaviour?

Striker (or maybe Kugel) targeted Gargantia was because of the orbital mass driver, how did they know where it was? Did the assume it's on Gargantia (the fleet) because of the name?

Chamber calling Striker tin can was epic, guess he learned something from Pinion.:D

So Ledo can calm down the Hideauze with that flute made from their teeth? A bit unexpected.

Somethindarker
2013-06-30, 13:19
I give the series as a whole a 6, predictable and safe. Chamber was a bro Ledo stayed beta the whole series. Lovely world building, probably the highlight of the series for me. If they do a season 2 I'd be down for it.

Iby
2013-06-30, 13:27
So anybody remembered Terminator's "Hasta la vista, baby" after Chamber's "Go to Hell, Tin Can!"?

hai_san
2013-06-30, 13:30
Well, overall a nice ending, Chamber and Striker doing double K.O was predictable but still well nicely done. The Headline of this thread was misleading with Oro Bucher(? not Butcher?) ending... well considering the whole cast survive. Chamber was the star of the show. 12 ep was a little to short in my opinion, Ledo+Amy was too much force so not really believable. But still a good ending.

LoweGear
2013-06-30, 13:45
Chamber being a total bro... why can't we have more awesome AI like him anywhere? RIP broest of bros ;-;

A good end to a good series, though I wish they showed a more "substantial" reunion between Ledo and Amy. Still, it was a nice 12-episode ride, and hoping to see more of Gargantia in the future. :)

Gravitas Free Zone
2013-06-30, 13:49
Speaking of bros, Konishi didn't quite go all the way over the top this episode, but it seemed like he wanted to...

pagan poor
2013-06-30, 13:52
I did see Striker and Chamber doing the last dance of death at the end coming. What I didn't see is was Chamber's last act of defiance. Nice.

Striker was playing to win and survive. Chamber was playing to win or draw at any cost.

waffler
2013-06-30, 13:54
omg that was so sad D: chamber was my favorite character i hoped he could have lived with ledo T.T

Haak
2013-06-30, 13:54
Damn Chamber stole the episode. :heh:

Yeah, okay it was a bit cheesy and probably the most cliché episode in the entire series but I did still enjoy it in the end.

ReddyRedWolf
2013-06-30, 14:05
Chamber it seems to be intact. I can imagine decades or centuries from now somebody will salvage him and in turn activate Chamber.

Chamber reminded me of Bolo. He did exceed his programming but was still true to his purpose of serving humanity and ensuring his Human charge be a successful person.

Striker is a rampant AI that believed its own hype of being a god. As such Chamber took upon himself of eliminating this threat to humanity's freedom.


Crap I was right! Abandoned by the Continental Union and Evolvers somebody did find a solution to the ice age but it turned the planet into a waterworld.

I meant it as a joke but Earth found a way to reignite the sun.

ghost013
2013-06-30, 14:07
CCCHHHAAAMMMBBBEEEERRRR!!! Anyways, does anyone think we'll ever get a second season or is this is?

Iby
2013-06-30, 14:19
I'm expecting to get two more extra episodes.

konart
2013-06-30, 14:22
CCCHHHAAAMMMBBBEEEERRRR!!! Anyways, does anyone think we'll ever get a second season or is this is?

We have a clear conclusion to the story.
The sequel could be either a boring(even more) slice of life or Aliance coming and getting all their bases :heh:

Jan-Poo
2013-06-30, 14:36
So well this episode taken by itself was really awesome, the battle of the two machine calibers in the cloudy sky was really astonishing. Still it really went for a pretty clicheed route.

Sure now it's easy to say that it was predictable, oh I'm not denying that there were some who predicted this ending with a 90% accuracy, but the predictions that turned out to be completely wrong are a lot more.


I think the opinions were split among those who were expecting some kind of dark twist or a shocking revelation and those who simply foresaw a classical ending, the latter turned out to be right.

Regarding Striker and Chamber and their decisions unveiled in this episode I can only conclude that the machine calibers should come with a warranty: "attention prolonged exposure to human behaviors can lead to severe malfunctions".

Both of them albeit in different ways ended up acting against their programming. Striker following the deranged plan of the late Kugel ended developing a god-like complex, Chamber ended up becoming Ledo's mom, giving up his own life in order to let Ledo develop into an independent adult.

Honestly it is pretty easy to see Striker and Chamber as respectively the tyrannical mother model and the supportive mother model.

The first approaches the nurturing of humans by treating them like children and making every decisions in their place, keeping them in a situation of total dependence. The second believes that his role is to support humans as they grow and then let them decide the path to take even if he himself do not understand it, eventually stepping aside once his role has ended.

When Urobuchi said that this was about the coming of age of the MC he was serious indeed, but this ended up more about the "mothers" of this boy rather than the boy itself.


My only complaint is that... well there was a lot of stuff that seemed to be important and in the end it wasn't.

The whole battle between the Hideauze and the GA just remains in the background, like I pointed out back in EP12, Ledo lives happily thereafter while, supposedly, there is still a fierce war going on in the galaxy, am I supposed to just think, well whatever?

The revelation of the Hideauze being humans then was nothing more than interesting sidetracking from the main focus of the series, because in the end the subject was dropped as easily as holo-kugel stating "former humans" and the case was just settled like that.

The whalesquids as well only served as sacrificial victims to make Ledo feel guilty but nothing more than that, I don't even know why anyone should bother about them at the end of the story. It is suggested that it is possible to communicate with them so perhaps they are a little above the animal level, but still, what's their purpose and why do they seem to like lost technology so much?

There's a few things that was left completely unexplained or is simply ridiculous to accept as it is. Bevel's final explanation just doesn't make sense... how exactly sinking the land under water helped with solving the problem with the sun? But in the first place how could they even sink all the land under water? That's just mindboggling!

Also the fact that both Striker and Chamber ended up on planet Earth is simply ridiculous if it was just mere chance. The space is huge, the chances for reaching a planet, any planet, after a random spacial dislocation through a wormhole are so abysmal that they aren't even worth being considered. Imagine the chances to reach Earth of all the planet then!
It would have been made more sense if they said that the wormhole gate in orbit around the earth is still there and somehow it got connected with the one from the Lamorack. And perhaps that's exactly what happened, but nobody said that.

About the chara contest then... I was... quite disappointed. I expected a bit more than a still group image. You know they could have just choose one and animate him/her even for a bit. That's not even funny.

Anyway well... I guess I can still say that this series was masterfully executed with a pretty good soundtrack and good direction, and surprisingly what I find lacking is the story structure itself. It kinda lacked direction I think, and this reinforces my idea that Urobuchi was only partially involved. The major plot basically pops up unexpectedly on the last three episodes.

I guess I'm going to give it a 8/10

Gravitas Free Zone
2013-06-30, 14:37
The Orbital Mass Driver Cannon that they happen to have lying around: I'm quite amused at how the water-sprinkler function turned out to not be a postapocalyptic add-on, but was built into it to start...

To that end... so there's a way to get something into orbit, or at least some distance closer to. It would be conceivable that in the future they would recover enough technology to cobble together a satellite, maybe see if the wormhole gate is still around, etc.

Though they'd need some means of dealing with the launch acceleration before putting any people up there... it does not seem like the people of earth figured out gravity control before they left the planet. The Machine Caliber would also be a choice, if they can get it working again.

stormy001_M1A2
2013-06-30, 14:40
My speculation is the golden key is some kinda access to an orbital launch device similar to historical video when the Evolved nation is sending crafts to space so Striker and Chamber will self destruct in space. Those 2 advanced war machines should have tremendous energy source as propulsion and if even one of them exploded on Earth, it would be equalivent to multiple current modern nuclear rounds in terms of sheer destruction.

Nice ending: Ledo/Red decides to stay on Gargantia and becomes intimate with Amy after Chamber ejected him out of the cockpit to fulfill its last mission in protecting the pilot while it hugged Striker to the orbit for self destruct sequence

Bad ending: In last ditch effort to defeat the rogue war machine, Ledo/Red with his mecha hugged Striker, shoots into orbit and self destruct - a noble self sacrifice.

Crazy ending: GA or Space Hideauze appears in the orbit.

Looks like my speculation is half correct. LOL.

Love this ep. But I wonder what is the last montage means. Sequel? Or just a hint?

Ah well, thank you, Gargantia.

Theo
2013-06-30, 14:58
Mah bro...mah nigga Chamber...I will miss you dearly.

So it's a predictable (but very well executed end) with best Gargantia dying and every other mediocre character besides Ledo living.

I feel the show as a whole wanted to do so many things in only 12 episodes, which led to a whole bunch of themes being espoused with a lack of development for Ridget, Amy, and a few others. Also a bunch of little things scratching at the back of my mind regarding the GA/Hideauze war and the rest of Earth.

Oh well.

LystAP
2013-06-30, 15:22
We have a clear conclusion to the story.
The sequel could be either a boring(even more) slice of life or Aliance coming and getting all their bases :heh:

Or it could be a spin-off focusing more on the war between the Galactic Alliance and the Hideauze.

This ending was a lot more optimistic than I expected, but it sure was a great one. Chamber's responses to Striker were really amusing, representing the possibility that just because a AI has intelligence and developed its' own personality, doesn't mean it will go auto-Kill/Rule-All-Humans as many stories have told before.

Sure Striker did, but going by the same logic, Chamber also came up with his own conclusions. In fact, the reveal about the Hidueaze may have shaped his conclusions as well in my opinion; the Hideauze gave up their intelligence for their adaptive forms; for humans to give up their right to choose and decide, they may as well become Hidueaze themselves.

Then again, in the end, you could say Chamber just completely threw away the rules and logic Machine-Calibers or any "programed" AIs were supposed to follow, like Striker noted, and became a truly sentient individual/life-form ("Go to hell, tin can!").

Enjou
2013-06-30, 15:55
A nice mostly happy ending. I expected Chamber to not make it, so not really surprised at that. Still, his last words were awesome. Also, his reamains becoming a whalesquid nest is a nice touch.

Mangaka-chan
2013-06-30, 16:23
The ending was rather predictable but it was still enjoyable, nonetheless. Even though I had a feeling Chambers would sacrifice himself so that Ledo would live that scene still struck a cord in me, and I just hope Ledo has named his new pet flying squirrel after his former AI companion. I'm also surprised that I liked where they ended with Amy and Ledo's relationship. I'm usually quite a shippy person, but in this case I liked the fact that they didn't rush into each others arms or something after the climactic battle. I don't think Amy and Ledo's relationship was ever meant to be a passionate love-at-first-sight kind of relationship; it's more of a friendship that slowly evolved to become love. And the turn of friendship to romantic love is already starting, it should take a little bit more time for it to mature, and I like how the show gives us that open-endedness.

All in all, while Gargantia had its pitfalls (i.e. episodes 5 & 6) it was a nice uplifting story, and definitely fits the theme that Urobuchi wanted to show, about young people finding their own path in life. There's still a lot of material left to be explored (least we forget, the war between the GA and the Hideaze are still on-going somewhere in the universe) and while I don't think a sequel will be made (though one never knows...), there's certainly a lot of good fodder for fans to explore. :)

ArturEngel
2013-06-30, 16:30
Honestly it is pretty easy to see Striker and Chamber as respectively the tyrannical mother model and the supportive mother model.


Correction, my guess is that Chamber represents a father, because of his male voicing. Also the explanation of a supportive mother model seems to me illogical.


The whole battle between the Hideauze and the GA just remains in the background, like I pointed out back in EP12, Ledo lives happily thereafter while, supposedly, there is still a fierce war going on in the galaxy, am I supposed to just think, well whatever?


That's just simple. If you had realized that everything you've done so far was for nothing, would you still care about it?



There's a few things that was left completely unexplained or is simply ridiculous to accept as it is. Bevel's final explanation just doesn't make sense... how exactly sinking the land under water helped with solving the problem with the sun? But in the first place how could they even sink all the land under water? That's just mindboggling!


He said: "It has lost its height". So that meens, it was much higher and they could send some spaceships with a nuclear weapon to reignite the sun just like in the "Sunshine". The polar ice melted and flooded the land completely. So they used the Gargantia like the Ark.

Kanon
2013-06-30, 16:39
Cliché, predictable... I don't care. The execution of this episode was freaking awesome. The battle between the two machine calibers was intense and Chamber proved himself to be the best character in the series. As expected of a mech voiced by Sugita. He might even have become my favorite anime A.I. That's how much I loved him. He grew just as much as Ledo over the course of the series and probably became more human than the humans remaining in space.

Glad Ledo got a happy ending (never doubted it). This was first and foremost his story. The whole stuff about GA and Hideauze was mostly inconsequential to the plot itself, although it was important for Ledo's character. I'm sure a lot of people wish they would have expanded on it (and I do as well on some level) but it simply wasn't the point of the story. It's a simple coming of age story with a fancy sci-fi package.

HandofFate
2013-06-30, 16:44
Amazing climax.

The kind of really mellow slice of life that people were complaining about, I think made the conclusion all the more potent.

Chamber is such a great friend. If an AI Pilot Support Interface can be considered one.
Just loved his 'conversations' with Ledo and how he developed.

I think the series would have been good with maybe 3-4 more episodes though, mainly just building up the character relationships.
Mainly things like Pinion x Rack and such, since for some reason they ended up pairing up rather strongly.

Algent
2013-06-30, 17:03
I guess we now know why for the first time we had true functional AI in an anime :3.

MeggieMay
2013-06-30, 17:10
I really liked the ending to this! While it could have been better, that would have entailed being a longer series than 13eps with 3OVA's. Biggest surprise was the sprinkler system turning out to really be a cooling unit for a Mass Driver! It was a totally plausible twist that I really didn't think about until it was used. The ending dialog did have some problems, IMO, because as several of us have pointed out before, melting the ice caps wouldn't flood all the land on the planet. While Bebel says they also sunk the land, that doesn't make total sense to me but I think Bebel was also hinting at the fact they may not really know all the details of what happened at this point, thus the decision by Gargantia to start gathering up artifacts of all types. If they can re-learn the history they lost they may find out more about just what really happened. Also, that map we saw mid series showed what look to be land - exploring that issue might be a way to do another series, if they so desired. However, I think the show was meant to have this has a real ending. It's a good place to leave the story of Ledo at but they do leave open the possibility of revisiting the universe in the future.

Now to my saddest moment in the show - the loss of Chamber :sad: I think he's moved to the top of the list of favorite Mecha/AI's. I knew the moment Chamber admitted that the AI interfaces had a programing flaw (more of a problem with the AI's gaining semi-sentence) he wasn't going to make it out alive ;-( He was as much a lead character in the series as Ledo and that's a rarity for a Mecha show. Along with his final words, I found the entire discussion right before that where Striker called him out on his not following his programming ironic. I wanted him to say "like you are, b*t*h?!" (I think Striker went somewhere Kugel wouldn't have gone with his plans long term but we'll never know where exactly Kugel was going) but "Go to Hell, tin can" was just as good :D

Kirarakim
2013-06-30, 17:10
Chamber...Noooooooooooooooooo

Okay in general I am satisfied with this ending.

I think the final moments with Chamber and Ledo were just lovely. This was the best relationship of the series by far. And they were the only two characters I ended up caring about. I also don't care if Chamber was just a robot, his death hit me hard.....

Still I am happy Ledo learned to find someone he cares for in Amy. I think their relationship could have used more development, but it was sweet all the same (would have been nice to see them at least holding hands in the end though).

Moreover I kind of like that they are trying to live peacefully with the whale squid and better come to understand them. This is the type of sci-fi I like.

It's going to be hard for me to judge this series overall because I still think the middle episodes were awful but at least I can say I left this series with a good feeling.

GreyZone
2013-06-30, 17:25
I heard there will be two OVAs, is that true?

Anyway... I liked how the ending played out. A (bitter-)sweet ending. BUT.... for me at least it felt too rushed.

mistress_kisara
2013-06-30, 17:39
Chamber!!!! :upset: and those final words!! He's been hanging around Pinion for too long! And I'm so happy everyone got a happy ending! This episode is 9/10 for me and overall 8/10 :p

Deathscyther
2013-06-30, 17:46
Good ending to a good series.:) The ending was a bit cliché, but the execution was great. There was some nice action, Pinion got his harem, Chamber got his GAR moment and Ledo got his happy end.

I agree that the story was all about Ledo finding his own path in life. He started out as a mindless soldier, but he finally decided to think for himself after learning about the past and because of his interactions with the humans on earth. It was a nice touch that Chamber, a machine calibers made for war, gave Ledo his permission/blessing to do whatever he wants to do.

I have to say that the ending was really open-ended. It might be better to say that there are still many questions to be answered:

There's still the war between the GA and the Hideauze. Is it still going on? Will earth, their home planet, be involved at some point? Did Ledo unintentionally travel to the past or future when he came to earth?


Then there's the wormhole the GA and the Hideauze used. Is it still intact?


Then there's Chamber. It seems like Chamber's machine caliber sunk to the bottom of the sea after the Striker exploded. It looks damaged, but not unfixable. The Hideauze seem to have made a nest out of him though. Ledo still has Chamber's 'key' with him too.


Then there are the earth's Hideauze. There still seem to be some of their 'originals' around, like the one who was with Chamber's machine caliber in the end. What are they up to? Why are they attracted to the lost technology? Ledo hinted towards future communication with them, so the humans might find out in the future. Maybe they are searching for a way to reconnect the wormhole, so that the space Hideauze can return?:p


Then there's the mystery of the people on earth surviving. Bebel's explanation was kind of short. How did they manage to 'revive' the sun? And why did the the land sink under the sea because of this? Did they use some kind of 'lost technology' to do it, which in turn destroyed the earth's climate or something?

There are still so many questions left to be answered, so I wonder if there'll be a season 2 at some point. I'm not expecting any of these questions to be answered in the upcoming OVA to be honest. There are certainly many possibilities to continue this story because of these unanswered questions. This ending works too though, since it gives off a feeling of hope.

Anyways, even though I liked the show, I'll give it a 7/10 because of some mediocre episodes in the middle, the many remaining questions and because there were some characters who just didn't get enough development in my opinion.

ThereminVox
2013-06-30, 18:45
I was going to say that this was a predictable conclusion, but the reason it was for me was because of Urobuchi's early comments about the nature of the series (taking your first steps into a new world) so I never considered anything to be an existential threat to Ledo himself. What kind of message would that be about growing up if the experience killed him? :heh:

Ledo's decision (and by extension, Chamber's) cuts to the heart of what the series has been about from the beginning: In episode 1, he asks "How long has it been since I felt fear?" It's not really death that scares him, because he's made peace with that possibility. As his conversations with Bevel and Chamber make clear, it's the prospect of having to live and make his own way that remains difficult for him.

Anyway, I'll happily call this episode a 9, though I don't think I can rate the series as a whole quite that high. Still, when Gargantia's good, it's REALLY good. I suspect from Bevel's talk at the end about how there are still questions as to how the Earthlings got to where they are now that the bonus episodes will probably touch on those mysteries. Perhaps there's something in the data Ledo scavenges at the end that will lead into a little bonus arc.

Finally, I totally ship Grace x ... other rodent. Let's call him "Grayson" to keep it clear.

Methuselah
2013-06-30, 19:02
Ahh.. I hate the Amy X Ledo crap == Who will Bellows be with now? The blue haired general at the end? *Wish they flushed out his character.

SagaraSouske
2013-06-30, 19:15
Been reading the Bolo books lately. From the pilot machine interface to the self sacrifice to the vague ending with Chamber's remains I can't help but think Chamber as a Bolo.


IMO BOLO wouldn't have gone rogue like Striker. Even the rogue bolo that had their brain damaged were trying to help children. But chamber does act like one.


On a separate note, does the ending seem like whale squids birth over machine remnant of Striker or Chamber and seems to hint them to be possible ancestor of space hideouze?

zztop
2013-06-30, 19:19
[QUOTE=bastek66;4742920]Winners of contest
http://i.imgur.com/XL5Z5aGl.jpg (http://imgur.com/XL5Z5aG)


That's it?!

I thought they'd actually animate the winning characters, or at least give ALL of them a bigger close up in scene(s) so they could be drawn in more detail. :(

Cadallin
2013-06-30, 19:20
He said: "It has lost its height". So that meens, it was much higher and they could send some spaceships with a nuclear weapon to reignite the sun just like in the "Sunshine". The polar ice melted and flooded the land completely. So they used the Gargantia like the Ark.

That was painful, but then, if you know anything about science sci-fi shows (especially popular ones) tend to be. I do wish writers would do just a touch of research on this stuff, and come up with more plausible techno-babble.

Given that I CAN ignore that stuff, this series was really good, very entertaining. I've been genuinely impressed with a lot of series this season.

Marina2
2013-06-30, 19:24
Ahh.. I hate the Amy X Ledo crap == Who will Bellows be with now? The blue haired general at the end? *Wish they flushed out his character.

She ends up in Pinion's harem.

Funkatron
2013-06-30, 19:24
Ahh.. I hate the Amy X Ledo crap == Who will Bellows be with now? The blue haired general at the end? *Wish they flushed out his character.

Bellows is obviously part of the Pinion harem

GreyZone
2013-06-30, 19:25
This absolutely deserves a 2nd season. It was too rushed!

And can someone confirm that there will be some OVAs? I hope they are not "side stories" or something like that, but actual sequels...

GundamZZ
2013-06-30, 19:30
Nothing too exciting happened. At least, they are all happy together. Few days ago, they were carpet bombing each other. A lot of people expects the writer to kill some memory person, but it doesn't happen. It's a good thing, since the pre-order number seems to be jumped.

The sci-fi element is great. They introduce man-machine interface and man mutant conflict. No explanation on how people survive on Earth. Maybe their ancestors were like Ledo. They fell from the universe.

The man-machine interface shows that each machine can change its logic. If pilots make the certain logical conclusion, the machine logic will change throughout the course. However, Ledo never curse other people. The machine would integrated the curse into its system. Maybe it is a bug. The bug is an unanticipated machine behavior. It also happens to be the machine's last message. It's くたばれブリキ野郎っ(You are going down tinplate yarou). The statement is illogical, since the word yarou is referring to a man. In Japanese show, they never use yarou to offend a woman or a thing.

Netto Azure
2013-06-30, 19:34
Well at least it was a happy end. Was totally expecting mass depression after watching, but sweet vanilla still has it's pluses.

zztop
2013-06-30, 19:35
This absolutely deserves a 2nd season. It was too rushed!

And can someone confirm that there will be some OVAs? I hope they are not "side stories" or something like that, but actual sequels...

There will be 3 OVAs. Each OVA ep comes with each Gargantia Blu-ray set.
The 1st OVA released with the August Blu-ray will be a side story(I think), no news as yet re. the final 2 OVAs.

http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/a3a2d77eaa81ac9f94f0b870cc8b9cde1370137621_full.jp g

OVA 1 will feature 15 yr old Ridget(left) and a nurse character(bottom right).

yankky5
2013-06-30, 19:51
....... I never expected hitlers V-3 to appear anime....

Cloudedmind
2013-06-30, 20:04
Totally expected, still cried my eyeballs out.

The exchange between Pinion, and pretty much anybody, the exchange between Chamber and Striker, and the exchange between Chamber and Ledo, absolutely loved it.

Yes, a lot of unanswered questions, but I think the reason why they were left so was because in the end they weren't critical to this story. The stuff about the GA and the Hideaze were mostly necessary to flesh out Ledo's character and the environment that he grew up in in contrast to the environment that he now finds himself in. It was also used to raise questions on what exactly makes one human. As it is I'm satisfied with what we got.

SeijiSensei
2013-06-30, 20:25
This has all the trappings of an "adventure-of-the-week" show starring Ledo, Amy, the squirrels, and a large supporting cast. There are a lot of possible side stories, too, with Pinion and his inamoratas, Ridget, Bebel, the flying girls, etc. There is also the whole mystery of the whalesquids and the open question about what's happening out in space and its relationship to what's happening on earth. I'm not thinking so much of another season but a franchise extending over multiple seasons. Urobutchi could have auteur responsibilities, but only write the occasional episode. Think Gene Roddenberry.

This would be a great thing for I.G. It would provide a nice predicable revenue stream to free them up for less conventional productions.

My single favorite moment was Lukkage yelling "Amore!" as she snatched Pinion from the air.

Methuselah
2013-06-30, 20:30
Bellows is obviously part of the Pinion harem

What a sack of Bullshit. XD I wish the OVA will conclude Bellows's partner. (I vote for the blue hair general guy.)

Tenzen12
2013-06-30, 20:45
Urobuchi is still Urobutcher. He killed Chamber bastard!

But seriously, I would give both Ledo and Amy for chamber.

And then I would introduce him to Arbalest.

frubam
2013-06-30, 20:57
Gotdamn, that was an intense last ep =03! The pacing was lightning-fast, but never managed to overcrowd the natural flow of events. Chamber ejecting Ledo was unexpected for me. They certainly did a stellar job trying to get the viewer to think that Ledo would bite the dust. My only qualm(other than Pinion having 3 women for his harem (>.>)) is how abruptly the conclusion came about w/o any cooldown/victory celebration time before the skip =02. But that's just a minor pigeon in an otherwise awesome episode =03.

Also, was it just me, or did anyone think that Amy was struck by Striker during the descent of that first Gargantia shot? I was like "SHIT, Gen strikes again :frustrated:..." :heh:.

Grey
2013-06-30, 21:02
So Pinion survived because Rackage is too awesome to be denied. And the other known characters survived too. Except Chamber. What treachery is this!

And geez, these AI certainly are independent. Kicking Ledo out at the end? Even Striker called Chamber out on that one.

There are no words. Alas, Chamber.

Edit: Oh yeah, seeing the contest winners get their little cameo was fun. Urobuchi gave a good shot at the Happy Ending with this one, but he was one AI short of achieving it. ;)

GreyZone
2013-06-30, 21:03
Also, was it just me, or did anyone think that Amy was struck by Striker during the descent of that first Gargantia shot? I was like "SHIT, Gen strikes again :frustrated:..." :heh:.

Amy flying around in the middle of the mech battle certainly looked like a very dangerous death flag... luckily it was not triggered :heh:

But yea, the first moment I saw that light I thought that it pierced Amy and actually I think the producers INTENDED it to look like that.

andyjay729
2013-06-30, 21:04
I don't really think there'd be much scope for further adventures, at least not in a non-contrived way. This was at heart a coming-of-age metaphor about young people questioning their values and eventually making their own way in society.

As I've said before, this show should really have been 25 or 26 episodes for all the ground it wanted to cover (and TBH I thought the same thing about Madoka), plus there were quite a few questions left unanswered (although I think it's pretty likely that Ledo and Kugel went through the wormhole gate in orbit), but it accomplished its main purpose in the end. And of course Gen succeeded in perhaps his greatest challenge yet; writing a largely happy ending. It wasn't the most original ending, but it still left our cast pleased and unharmed.

Gargantia really should've been written by just one writer (it wouldn't have to be Gen) and I wish they had fleshed out the Gargantians a little more, but in the end, the cast all at least seemed either likeable or believable (for Striker). I'd say 8/10 overall.

Now when do we get to vote for our three delivery girls in SaiMoe? :D

DuelGundam2099
2013-06-30, 21:07
I FINALLY got to watch this because my source was very late. Anyway, very nice finale to a rather enjoyable series. It definitely proved better than Majestic Prince or Valvrave although the characters were kind of boring. Kind of reminds me of Heroic Age to an extent. Also, my reaction to the ending because everyone (not just Anime Suki but pretty much any place this series was being discussed) was expecting this to be bad/kill 'em all/bittersweet/etc.

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af273/alienhulk2099/Reactions/qvk.png~original

Predicting something just because someone with experience is on staff. It is times like this I am glad I rarely care.



Now all I have to watch while airing is Majestic Prince now that this ended and Valvrave is on hiatus.

GreyZone
2013-06-30, 21:08
In Madoka, even if a few questions were still left open, the "problem" was completely solved. But in Gargantia we now know that if the GA should survive or even win the war in 5000 years time, at some point they would receive a certain signal... and that could be fatal for earth.

Obelisk ze Tormentor
2013-06-30, 21:09
But seriously, I would give both Ledo and Amy for chamber.

And then I would introduce him to Arbalest.A bit of correction: Arbalest is just a shell, much like Machine Caliber is to Chamber. Arbalest’s AI is called Al :p.

Talking about Al, yes, it is an AI equal to Chamber. It's just a pity that Full Metal Panic! anime was cut short and we never see Al truly develop as a character like in the novels & manga.

Tenzen12
2013-06-30, 21:28
I know, but I couldn't remember it's name (and was afraid people wouldn't know Laevatein.)

Anyway I think they would make great buddies

LystAP
2013-06-30, 21:38
In Madoka, even if a few questions were still left open, the "problem" was completely solved. But in Gargantia we now know that if the GA should survive or even win the war in 5000 years time, at some point they would receive a certain signal... and that could be fatal for earth.

And who knows if it will even take 5000 years; after all, Chamber's reply was based on their current proximity to the main Alliance fleet and Avalon. If something goes bad, they may have to evacuate Avalon and flee all over the galaxy to escape the Hideauze. And one of these fleets could emerge close enough to receive the signal, that there is a safe world. Or a scouting force/probe looking for resources could also journey near enough to receive it. Both possibilities also include the other party coming after in pursuit, or discovering the planet in the process of looking for their opponent.

The same could be true, vice versa for the Hideauze; even if it was a accident, both Chamber AND Striker managed to reach the planet. The first (Chamber or Striker) would have been a miracle, but things that happen more than once aren't miracles anymore.

Guardian Enzo
2013-06-30, 21:39
Well, I wanted Gen to take a side, and he did. Both the G.A. and the Hideauze are wrong (declaring everybody wrong is his usual M.O.) but there was a third option, and he actually endorsed it for a change. Stay behind, make sacrifices, fix the problem and share the planet. Gen Urobuchi, the beacon of hope.

I liked the finale better in that broad sense than in the narrow - I thought there was way too much cartoon villainy down the stretch and the execution of the last episode was pretty inconsistent. I also wasn't thrilled seeing a final episode that was basically a routine extended combat sequence, with almost no character interaction. But I did like Chamber's decision - it made perfect sense for him. In the first place I think Chamber realized that this Earth would be far better off if neither he or Striker existed - they, along with Pinion's "castle", had to go. I also like the fact that it was when Ledo admitted at last that he wanted to live that Chamber realized his ultimate duty - to give his pilot a chance to explore his existence as a human being. Declaring Ledo "unfit to be a soldier" is a nice way of giving him a left-handed compliment - Ledo has finally grown beyond the conditioning of the G.A. and realized his potential as a person. I certainly hated to see Chamber go - he was a great character and Sugita Tomokazu was his usual brilliant self. But in the context of the moment, it was the right thing to happen.

Wandering_Youth
2013-06-30, 22:07
[QUOTE=bastek66;4742920]Winners of contest
http://i.imgur.com/XL5Z5aGl.jpg (http://imgur.com/XL5Z5aG)


That's it?!

I thought they'd actually animate the winning characters, or at least give ALL of them a bigger close up in scene(s) so they could be drawn in more detail. :(

A couple of the characters in this scene rather well animated more than usual is there a meaning behind this?

GreyZone
2013-06-30, 22:14
A couple of the characters in this scene rather well animated more than usual is there a meaning behind this?

There was some kind of contest, where the producers asked the viewers to create and send their own "Gargantian Citizen". The best ones were shown in that scene.

That's how I understood it at least...

stormy001_M1A2
2013-06-30, 22:18
Well, for what we know, Galactic Alliance is already defeated - in 1st episode, they throwing everything they have for the assault and lost.

It is highly probable that by the time Ledo/Red woke up on Earth, the government that he and Colonel Kugel fought for is already space dust, consumed by Space Hideauze.

Grey
2013-06-30, 22:24
Oh yeah, forgotten about the GA-Hideauze plot thread what with Chamber and sleepiness. I guess, once you widen the scope, it's not necessarily a happy end at all since that plot thread isn't resolved. The GA is probably still spartan and militaristic or wiped out by the Hideauze. Not the greatest thing either way.

Edit: Oh yeah. Felt a bit out of character how quickly Pinion caved to the Lobster Queen. Especially after resolving to send his team away and staying himself. And working on setting the machines to explode. Guess they were short on time.

GreyZone
2013-06-30, 22:25
Well, for what we know, Galactic Alliance is already defeated - in 1st episode, they throwing everything they have for the assault and lost.

It is highly probable that by the time Ledo/Red woke up on Earth, the government that he and Colonel Kugel fought for is already space dust, consumed by Space Hideauze.

That could have been an exaggerated motivational speech though, like "EVERYTHING depends on you! Mistakes will be our fall, but success will make YOU the turning point in this war."
And it actually sounds like something that the GA would do...

monir
2013-06-30, 22:34
Well, I wanted Gen to take a side, and he did. Both the G.A. and the Hideauze are wrong (declaring everybody wrong is his usual M.O.) but there was a third option, and he actually endorsed it for a change. Stay behind, make sacrifices, fix the problem and share the planet. Gen Urobuchi, the beacon of hope.


Finally got around to watch it and I just couldn't help but laugh when I read your comment, especially the bolded part! :D

The episode still retains the Urobuchi touch despite the mild outcome! He doesn't resolve anything other than going for the third option. Yeah, the mechas along with the super-weapons are gone, but the human element is ever present with ALLL their differences. And that's all it takes to spawn another nightmarish scenario Urobuchi would relish exploring into.

Terrestrial Dream
2013-06-30, 22:58
I enjoyed the ending, really simple as that. I liked the picking the Gargantia's method over the other and think the choice is very reasonable. The ending did feel very sudden, it would have better with less actions involving Pinion, more time for Ledo to reflect on his past experience would have improved the overall pace and the mood. The majority of the characters definitely could have been developed more. It is ironic that non-human character like Chamber had the best development. And Chamber was just made the show for me, his death really fit the overall ending and the direction that this show was heading to.

Was it a show with few flaws? Characters wise I would say so, but I really enjoyed the theme that was presented. Just really solid and reasonable anime, I am happy with this anime and how it turned out.

Obelisk ze Tormentor
2013-06-30, 23:11
You know, looking at it again, this series has some real similarities with Full Metal Panic!, but with more sci-fi and environmental elements in it and less comedy. We got a soldier-boy who knows nothing but fighting in war (Ledo & Sousuke Sagara) thrown into civilian environment and forced to live in it and met the civilian girl (Amy & Chidori Kaname) that becomes his main guide in exploring the “new world”. We even got the onee-chan (Bellows & Mao) and onii-chan (Pinion & Kurz) characters to help the MC to adjust. Not to mention that both MCs are also accompanied by cutting edge mechas (Machine Caliber & Arbalest/Leavatein) with stellar AIs (Chamber & AL). Both series have their MCs gradually understand how “normal” people behave and became invested with them to the point that he questions his own reasons for fighting all this time. At some point, the MCs also engaged in battles with their "old acquaintances" inside their equally cutting edge mechas (Kugel inside Striker & Gauron inside Codarl). Still, it’s good that Gargantia is a less bloody venture which complements the cheery and colorful vibe of the series. While FMP, when entering its “serious mode”, is quite dark and have characters die left and right (in gruesome ways during some occasions).

BoyTitan
2013-06-30, 23:20
You know, looking at it again, this series has some real similarities with Full Metal Panic!, but with more sci-fi and environmental elements in it and less comedy. We got a soldier-boy who knows nothing but fighting in war (Ledo & Sousuke Sagara) thrown into civilian environment and forced to live in it and met the civilian girl (Amy & Chidori Kaname) that becomes his main guide in exploring the “new world”. We even got the onee-chan (Bellows & Mao) and onii-chan (Pinion & Kurz) characters to help the MC to adjust. Not to mention that both MCs are also accompanied by cutting edge mechas (Machine Caliber & Arbalest/Leavatein) with stellar AIs (Chamber & AL). Both series have their MCs gradually understand how “normal” people behave and became invested with them to the point that he questions his own reasons for fighting all this time. At some point, the MCs also engaged in battles with their "old acquaintances" inside their equally cutting edge mechas (Kugel inside Striker & Gauron inside Codarl). Still, it’s good that Gargantia is a less bloody venture which complements the cheery and colorful vibe of the series. While FMP, when entering its “serious mode”, is quite dark and have characters die left and right (in gruesome ways during some occasions).

Wana know what full metal panic had that series didn't character development, And counter arguments.

Anyways 3 outa five just for the decent fight scenes and at that last gen series I will ever touch EVER.

Triple_R
2013-06-30, 23:21
A largely solid and satisfying ending, albeit a predictable one after last episode.

The one truly standout element of this finale was, imo, the Chamber/Striker war of words and particularly the climax of their conflict. I liked how Chamber temporarily took leave of his typical speech patterns to say "Go to hell, Tin Can!" There was something ironically very human about the decisions, and even to some extent the dialogue, that Chamber had in this episode. Just as Ledo went beyond his soldier "programming", Chamber struck me as overcoming his programming as well. Chamber's valiant death in taking down Striker is probably the most impressive death scene I've seen since another Gen work - Fate/Zero.


On the whole, Gargantia has been a pretty solid anime. It does leave some important plot threads hanging, but I think it dealt with its core ideas and themes well enough.

Perhaps my biggest disappointment is that we didn't get much of an aftermath in this episode, as the overwhelming bulk of it was devoted to the battles. But I guess that's what these remaining OVA episodes are for.

Terrestrial Dream
2013-06-30, 23:24
There will be OVAs after this? Are they guaranteed sequels?

Triple_R
2013-06-30, 23:26
There will be OVAs after this? Are they guaranteed sequels?

It's mentioned here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4743390&postcount=69).

I don't know much about them, except that they are coming. Three of them. The first is more of a prequel than a sequel though, as it focuses on a younger Ridget. I don't know what the other two are focusing on. Hopefully at least one of them will focus on the aftermath of this episode.

Terrestrial Dream
2013-06-30, 23:30
A prequel would be excellent as we didn't get to know most of the characters well. I see that as the biggest hole in this show.

Triple_R
2013-06-30, 23:34
A prequel would be excellent as we didn't get to know most of the characters well. I see that as the biggest hole in this show.

Learning more about Ridget's character and background should be good, yeah. Of the most important characters, she's the one who I feel needs more fleshing out the most. I think the anime did a great job with Chamber, a very good job with Ledo, and good jobs with Pinion and Amy. While the rest of the cast was pretty good, they all could use a bit more character development/fleshing out.

monir
2013-06-30, 23:39
The one truly standout element of this finale was, imo, the Chamber/Striker war of words and particularly the climax of their conflict. I liked how Chamber temporarily took leave of his typical speech patterns to say "Go to hell, Tin Can!" There was something ironically very human about the decisions, and even to some extent the dialogue, that Chamber had in this episode. Just as Ledo went beyond his soldier "programming", Chamber struck me as overcoming his programming as well. Chamber's valiant death in taking down Striker is probably the most impressive death scene I've seen since another Gen work - Fate/Zero.

Same goes for Striker too who surely isn't the first one with God-complex. :) They were acting just as human even in the absence of one. Even if the GA or the Hideauze go extinct, the human element goes on with these mechanized version of what defines humanity. Urobuchi just can't help himself from lecturing about humanity's terrible influence, can he? :heh:

apotheosis
2013-06-30, 23:42
My only complaint is that... well there was a lot of stuff that seemed to be important and in the end it wasn't.

The whole battle between the Hideauze and the GA just remains in the background, like I pointed out back in EP12, Ledo lives happily thereafter while, supposedly, there is still a fierce war going on in the galaxy, am I supposed to just think, well whatever?

The revelation of the Hideauze being humans then was nothing more than interesting sidetracking from the main focus of the series, because in the end the subject was dropped as easily as holo-kugel stating "former humans" and the case was just settled like that.

The whalesquids as well only served as sacrificial victims to make Ledo feel guilty but nothing more than that, I don't even know why anyone should bother about them at the end of the story. It is suggested that it is possible to communicate with them so perhaps they are a little above the animal level, but still, what's their purpose and why do they seem to like lost technology so much?

Yep, this part is far more interesting to me than the main story. It getting the brush off after the big reveal felt out of place & made me wonder if they even planned the arcs much before doing them.

If they really wanted us to care about more than Ledo & Chamber, they should have chosen one thing or another to focus on, instead of jumping all over the place (or made it longer). The captains, Lukkage & Ridget all seemed hugely underdeveloped and the mass driver was pretty much deus ex machina.

This is also the first show I've watched where I felt more moved by an AI's sacrifice than the possibility of any other character dying. In fact, I kind of hoped they would kill off more of the Gargantians. Uro had me going there for a second with slow pan to Amy during the Machine Caliber fight .. but not to be.

As to the "message to those about to enter society" .. it ended up being pretty banal IMO. Don't follow orders blindly and instead think for yourself? Really? I'd hoped for something more in depth about the short comings of all the different societies in the show (Gargantia included), but they dropped all of that for a stereotypical climax. Though, I must admit the battle scenes were quite well done & enjoyable, even if predictable.

Final thoughts: Fun & forgettable like a summer action flick with a bit skin, when it could have focused on some pretty cool Sci-Fi themes instead.

Obelisk ze Tormentor
2013-06-30, 23:59
Wana know what full metal panic had that series didn't character development, And counter arguments.I cut Gargantia some slack for that coz it only has 13 episodes + 3 OVAs compared to FMP’s 37 episodes + 1 OVA + Fumoffu (12 episodes) :heh:.

playmaker2k
2013-07-01, 00:19
"Dark Knight" Chamber with his theme song playing as he becomes the hero Gargantia deserves.

(Manly Tears have been shed)

Pinion should stick with Rackage since she can shape him up.

He was quick to leave his post when he got yelled at like she was an angry girlfriend/wife.

Bellows should not be in his harem. Ever.

Shinhwa
2013-07-01, 00:28
Chamber was awesome. This series was very nice and really was worth watching.

That final word Chamber said: "Go to hell, Tin can!"

Just full of pure awesomeness

I am glad I watched this series. Can't wait for the OVAs :)

Allium
2013-07-01, 00:32
That was a very satisfying ending, I'm quite glad - and to some extent, relieved - how things turned out. This episode really made up for the previous, not-so-consistent ones.

Chamber stole most of the spotlight this episode; the scene where he parted with Ledo was rather heartwarming. He is definitely my favourite character of the series.

Anyway, I had to give this a 10/10. Kudos on a more light-hearted ending for once, Urobuchi!

serenade_beta
2013-07-01, 00:55
So the title of this thread says Uro Bucher end, but does that mean there are other endings coming out? Or is that just a joke on the creator and hope/fear that lot of people will die with no deep meaning?

Iby
2013-07-01, 01:00
1 2013年8月28日予定 第1話 - 第4話、第14話(OVA)
2 2013年9月25日予定 第5話 - 第9話、「ぷちっとがるがんてぃあ」全13話+特別編
3 2013年10月25日予定 第10話 - 第13話、第15話(OVA)
I dunno where people are getting that info about 3 OVAs. The 2nd BOX will have all of Petit Gargantia episodes instead.

FlareKnight
2013-07-01, 01:02
Certainly a lot happened as expected. Chamber sacrificing himself for Ledo in awesome fashion being one of them. But it was still pretty darn satisfying. In the end Ledo did want to live and Chamber chose the route that would allow Ledo to keep on living while still eliminating the threat. An awesome sacrifice by Chamber.

Didn't quite expect that Gargantia would be a giant cannon, but hey it works :). Pretty handy and effective when having someone like Amy to spot for it.

Really just a solid last episode and a good one for Ledo. Looked back at where he was at the start of this all and has found his way forward. Found a way to keep finding information that will allow their society to advance while not forcing any confrontations with the Hideauze. While I doubt they can ever legitimately communicate with them (since I'm not thinking they have any sentience left) it's still not a bad step. At this point it is for the best to just avoid confrontation.

Will say Striker really went for classic villain stuff there. "I'm a God, worship me!"

Guido
2013-07-01, 03:39
This conclusion deserves the highest top marks and honors ever in the anals of anime history.

The flow that lead to the climax giving way to the ending was flawlessly executed, although I truly felt deep for Ledo's loss of chamber.

Their partnership became more of a symbiosis of sorts once they got in Earth and started to interact with their people.

I was hoping for Chamber to actually survive and getting adopted the role or assignment of becoming the storyteller for future generations of Earthling humans to come.

Chamber, you truly did more than just validating your own existence. You truly evolved to become your own person and did what was necessary to allow for the survival of no longer your pilot but your partner.

Question: How many of you cried out loud something like "Hell, yeah" or "Yahoo" or "Way to go Chamber!" when Chamber's last statement to Stryker before blowing that demented A.I. along with itself was: "Go to Hell, Tin Can"?

Guys and gals, seriously, I can now picture it!! That one-liner becoming a sort of meme for popular use throughout the whole internet community.

To tell you the truth this was the purpose of this series that needed thirteen episodes to go in order for the whole story to pay off: For Ledo to finally acknowledging the definition that what truly entails to be human is to think, make decisions, and do actions all by himself, and what truly meant for him to learn affection and to care for other human beings.
For Chamber, perhaps I like to think that it evolved beyond the parameters of its original programming, but never deviating from validating its own existence.

Chamber's depature from Ledo's side became the most poignant, emotional, and heartwrenching scene for me. It became even more epic and profound than when the T-800 departed from child John Connor's side at the end of Terminator 2: Judgement Day film.

Chamber you will always be remembered. You are a solid testament of what humanity can accomplish, and we are grateful that this time humanity was capable at achieving a positive accomplishment for good not when you were created, but what you did and said to your pilot towards the conclusion of this show.

ReddyRedWolf
2013-07-01, 04:03
You have to wonder centuries from now what legend Chamber would become.

Oldham said they used to have AI but lost the technology. Was it a decision made by their ancestors or was due to the lost industries?

Striker would be a cautionary tale of what AI should be. Chamber is the story of what a loyal AI should be.

bastek66
2013-07-01, 04:45
Wow, destroyed Chamber was whole time in the OP.

Seiryuu
2013-07-01, 05:10
I have to say, I was worried throughout this since I'd heard it was made by "The Butcher". I guess in this show he rejected that title, and demonstrated just what he's truly capable of. It would have been terribly easy to have devised some reason for Striker to vaporize civilians who got too close (i.e. AMY), and as Chamber demonstrated way back when, doing so would have taken no less effort than brushing away a fly.
I also quite enjoyed seeing the cultists that survived and were accepted on Gargantia being dealt with mainly by the hard gay terrors. I'd love to see a clip or two of how that went.

ArturEngel
2013-07-01, 05:15
Have you guys actually had the same feeling after Chamber had ejected Ledo's cockpit. They were both in maximized neuroplus mode. Doesn't it means, that Chamber were able to read Ledo's mind and share his feelings? And he also realized, that as long as he is in there, Ledo would never have peacefull life. So he sacrificed himself to free Ledo from his duty as soldier.

Casshern
2013-07-01, 05:27
Cool, are the whalesquid going to evolve chamber? Chambersquid?

Anyway, Gen, I am disappoint. I was hoping the GA and hideauze would find their way to earth and shit would hit the fan.

Nice dialogue though. I wish this would've been the 5th ep or something like that, with the war reaching a climax later on. As it is, the middle of the show was pretty boring.

Raviel
2013-07-01, 06:11
Have you guys actually had the same feeling after Chamber had ejected Ledo's cockpit. They were both in maximized neuroplus mode. Doesn't it means, that Chamber were able to read Ledo's mind and share his feelings? And he also realized, that as long as he is in there, Ledo would never have peacefull life. So he sacrificed himself to free Ledo from his duty as soldier.

To me it was more like Chamber evolved from a combat support system to a human development system, he went from just helping Ledo in combat to being an AI that guides Ledo to self-actualization.

Given the circumstances (i.e. further use of the neural link leading to Ledo's death and Striker's combat superiority) Chamber IMO, made an incredibly logical decision by sacrificing himself. Ledo wouldn't be able to fulfill/live out his full potential as a human being if he's dead.

tl;dr I guess when Chamber said he was a system that oversaw the development of pilots he also meant helping to develop pilots outside of combat.

This makes me a bit sad because I would have loved to see an OVA involving Chamber (plus other people on Gargantia) commenting on Ledo and Amy's relationship.

WHY'D YOU HAVE TO GO CHAMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ReddyRedWolf
2013-07-01, 06:26
tl;dr I guess when Chamber said he was a system that oversaw the development of pilots he also meant helping to develop pilots outside of combat.

This makes me a bit sad because I would have loved to see an OVA involving Chamber (plus other people on Gargantia) commenting on Ledo and Amy's relationship.

WHY'D YOU HAVE TO GO CHAMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hell in the first ep Chamber encourages Ledo to live a normal life for four weeks and even get laid.

Now Chamber basically means you don't need to fight anymore go to your girl cause I've got this. He has great expectations for Ledo.

Jan-Poo
2013-07-01, 08:04
That's just simple. If you had realized that everything you've done so far was for nothing, would you still care about it?

That's still his people those who are fighting in space dying and living in inhumane conditions. Moreover as many have mentioned the war could reach earth anytime.


He said: "It has lost its height". So that meens, it was much higher and they could send some spaceships with a nuclear weapon to reignite the sun just like in the "Sunshine". The polar ice melted and flooded the land completely. So they used the Gargantia like the Ark.

Apart from the fact that humans thinking that they can "help" the sun with their atomic bombs are as much as laughable as mosquito thinking that they can help an elephant (and that comparison doesn't even give the idea), as it was discussed before, even if you melt all the ice in the world in the end only a relatively small portion of the land will be submerged, our planet simply doesn't have that much water. The only way you can turn Earth into a water planet is by bringing huge amount of water from some other place or by making continents sink.

So in the end Sunshine was a funny watch and all but it was ridiculous in many respects, for example the fact that humans will instantly freeze in space is a total bull. Waterworld in the same way failed to consider the fact that our planet doesn't have all that water.

So yeah like someone pointed out earlier this is ridiculous technobabble or actually that's just sci-fi movies made by people that can't even check for basic facts.

Unfortunately Gargantia seems to be the same.


It also happens to be the machine's last message. It's くたばれブリキ野郎っ(You are going down tinplate yarou). The statement is illogical, since the word yarou is referring to a man. In Japanese show, they never use yarou to offend a woman or a thing.

I used to think the same but I found several examples that proved me wrong. While "yarou" is usually said against men nothing prevents you from using it on a woman if so you wish.
A good example is Chiaki from Minami-ke constantly calling her sister Kana "baka yarou".


Wow, destroyed Chamber was whole time in the OP.

Wow, nice catch!


I also quite enjoyed seeing the cultists that survived and were accepted on Gargantia being dealt with mainly by the hard gay terrors. I'd love to see a clip or two of how that went.

I couldn't help but laughing when putting myself in their shoes. The first thing they see when introduced to this new "culture" and "lifestyle" are the horrid okama.
I can almost hear their internal screams "Nooo! I want to go back to my old cultist society!!!"

Traece
2013-07-01, 08:08
That scene with Chamber... Cliche, and really I wasn't feeling the build-up to that sacrifice, but I'll be damned if that wasn't a great scene. Plus his one-liner skills have come quite a long way since the beginning of this anime. I will sincerely miss Chamber. o7

Suisei no Gargantia was a show I actually looked forward to because of its rather unique concept, and I think in a lot of ways it paid off. Though in a lot of ways I feel like it didn't. Like SAO I thought that some of the emphasis wasn't wholly in the right place, and there was some plot thrown in here that was treated more like a red herring than anything important. In the end everything that had been done was leading up to, well, nothing. The first major bit, the Hideauze reveal, was very interesting but ultimately was a footnote in the end. In a way I kind of liked that it was this mystery that was solved, but it was treated more like, "Oh by the way the Hideauze are actually this," and then it became largely irrelevant. The Kugel plot then came out of left field as this sudden development that developed suddenly into a plot about the AIs of the mechs. At the end, it really just felt like they were pursuing every avenue possible to fit a whole bunch of events into the final few episodes. I would have preferred they picked something and then stuck with it, instead of trying to do three different things. It made each one feel almost unfinished.

Besides that, I did enjoy this series. The idea was unique and the characters were handled rather well, with some interesting little bits and pieces that made it all quite entertaining. Not the best or worst of the season, but it found a nice middle ground for me, and did nicely alongside the other mechas.

triplez
2013-07-01, 08:16
I had a blast with this anime. I consider it the top anime I followed this summer. It reaffirm why I keep watching anime in the first place. Interesting characters that grow on you and some thoughts on how the future may develop plus a dramatic conclusion with most loose ends tied up.

I really enjoyed what it says about how Humanity may develop when facing an epic disaster. Instead of coming together HUmanity will fall apart. While both the Evolvers and Continental Union survival strategies proved valid the friction it caused made me think they would be better off if they never left Earth.

That still proved secondary to the coming of age story of Ledo. From a soldier not caring if he lived or died in battle to finally someone worthy of the mantle of hero. I like it better that Chamber become more than just a pilot support system to one that saw value in him making his own decision even at the cost of his own. Chamber proved a better parent than the Galactic Alliance ever was.

The last episode here really tied most of the characters's storyline. Pinion got his revenge even though it cost him his island of ambition. Lukkage the pirate went legit. The Gargantia fleet was reunited. The cult members were absorbed as well. I couldn't ask for more. WEll maybe a bit less fanservice but that's just my preference.

It's a bit sad they didn't get to keep the lost technology.Without a Stryker or Chamber to get pass the whalesquids all of that will still be stuck down there. Gargantia will still be stuck in a steam punk runt. All now rest on Ledo finding ways to communicate with the whalesquids, who knows if he will succeed.

Does the ending confirm that Amy and Ledo are now a couple?

orpheus2
2013-07-01, 08:24
Great episode but it should have been a 24 episode season. Oh well.

Chamber was awesome. This series was very nice and really was worth watching.

That final word Chamber said: "Go to hell, Tin can!"

Just full of pure awesomeness

I am glad I watched this series. Can't wait for the OVAs :)

True.

You have to wonder centuries from now what legend Chamber would become.

Oldham said they used to have AI but lost the technology. Was it a decision made by their ancestors or was due to the lost industries?

Striker would be a cautionary tale of what AI should be. Chamber is the story of what a loyal AI should be.

How would they view their ancestors' action now? This is another question.

In any case, they would not repeat the same mistakes of the past. Hopefully...

Gohan78
2013-07-01, 09:09
I gave this finale a 8/10 because it was too predictable. Still entertaining, and Chamber will be remember as a True Bro forever. I am surprised that the Urobutcher went for such a cliche ending. Maybe he really wants to change his image?

Also 8/10 for the anime as a whole. I thought that the first four episodes were almost flawless but then the show went on a downward spiral, which was partially redeemed by the last 2-3 episodes.

I don't care that the GA vs Hideauze war was left hanging. It was evident from the moment that Ledo discovered that he couldn't go back to the Alliance that it wasn't his war anymore. Also, both the Alliance and the space Hideauze have such a technological advantage over current Earthlings that they wouldn't stand a chance.

ID555
2013-07-01, 09:39
F*** no Arbalessssssttttttt!!!!!!!!! T_T

blakstealth
2013-07-01, 10:16
Who knew the crane tower doubled as artillery? That was a nice touch.

I enjoyed the finale. Overall, pretty decent show.

Gravitas Free Zone
2013-07-01, 10:26
That was the clever part: We saw the tower with Ledo early on, it looked ominous (Chekhov's Gun loaded). Then it was used for irrigation (seems like a Red Herring... but it isn't/Chekhov's Blank) and in the Camp Gay Chase Scene (by now it's just silly). Then it gets a blink-and-you'll-miss-it appearance in the History of Earth video (still counts as Chekhov's Boomerang).

Then it actually gets fired, and it all comes together.

yankky5
2013-07-01, 11:02
I dont know whats worse no time skip to see what happend with ledo and amy or me reading the previous conversations and gotten spoiled that chamber will go down :(

But either way a very enlightening episode

Fnights
2013-07-01, 12:44
5/10 overall, seems the ending is trowed away just to close a mediocre serie. Nothing is gained and nothing is lost after watching these 13 episodes.

jeroz
2013-07-01, 14:32
Keep in mind that it's the director who has the initial ideas. Urobuchi is just there to flesh it out further.

Chamber is the last piece of attachment Ledo has with GA. If he continues to rely on his past there's a huge possibility that he would not move on. It's a massive improvement that he's able to operate that diver by himself now

ustatsu
2013-07-01, 14:58
Not only because of his past, but he relied too much on Chamber. He can't speak Gargantia's language? Chamber translates. Unable to control a normal mech? Just use Chamber for fishing. Some other problems? Chamber. The episodes where he was looking for a job, showed how useless he is on his own, same goes for the squid extermination which couldn't be accomplished otherwise. I really liked the last few lines between Chamber and Striker, where he spoke of a barrier which holds Ledo back and this barrier also included himself. Well done.

jeroz
2013-07-01, 15:34
There are indeed a lot of nice scenes in ep5~6, just needs to be written better without the cliche stuff

Witch of Uncertainty
2013-07-01, 15:43
Wasn't bad, but it could have been much better. 7/10 from me.
I certainly hoped for more Hideauze.

Anh_Minh
2013-07-01, 17:02
I couldn't help but laughing when putting myself in their shoes. The first thing they see when introduced to this new "culture" and "lifestyle" are the horrid okama.
I can almost hear their internal screams "Nooo! I want to go back to my old cultist society!!!"

It's not like they've been cultists for very long. They're just very adaptable. Soon, they'll be perfect, zealous okamas.

Awrya
2013-07-01, 17:03
Not only because of his past, but he relied too much on Chamber. He can't speak Gargantia's language? Chamber translates. Unable to control a normal mech? Just use Chamber for fishing. Some other problems? Chamber. The episodes where he was looking for a job, showed how useless he is on his own, same goes for the squid extermination which couldn't be accomplished otherwise.

Not so sure about those points, Ledo had Chamber translate at the beginning cause it was a foreign language, he did try to learn and speak their language with some success, but had Chamber translate the more complex sentences as with the limited vocabulary he learned in everyday life couldn't convey his thoughts about Hideauze and the Galactic Alliance's concept of happiness, obligation, etc.

About second point, Chamber is a weapon created by humans for humans to fight against the Hideauze and from episode 1, we know that Ledo spent all his years under military service, possibly receiving training with Chamber. He has fought with Chamber against Hideauze in space and now fights the whale squids on earth, in both cases fighting with Chamber was all he knew. You can't expect him to suddenly fight against whale squids using something else.

ginger02
2013-07-01, 17:43
Aw i loved the ending overall, it was a nice way to get everyone to come together for a common goal. Chamber sacrificing himself wasn't surprising, but it was still emotional.

The only thing I didn't like was how we didn't get to see Amy and Ledo officially reunite and seeing everyone's reactions to Chamber's demise.

mechalord
2013-07-01, 18:21
the left room for a sequel...

What exactly did Ledo recover? It seems like it could have been Chamber's brain, at least his memory core.

It seems Chamber's remains fell into a whalesquid nesting ground. Ledo snuck in there and may have taken that memory bar. That's what it appeared to me.

HandofFate
2013-07-01, 19:38
I know a lot seemed to want to know about some big war across the galaxy, but I liked that it was downplayed, and the story was centered and focused on this one soldier that got separated. And finding his own desires and settling down.

Irenesharda
2013-07-01, 21:25
Well, we have finally come to the end of Gargantia.

This episode was good, and while not having the really epic ending that I wanted, still was good in its own way. Interestingly, after all that supposed development for Red, this was really Chamber's episode. He's the star and has the best line in the entire series! LOL

His logic battle with Striker was really good, and the battle between them was excellent. The way he and Red began to think for themselves and how Chamber sacrificed himself for Red's future, he is truly the best robotic, A.I. onii-chan you could ask for!

Gargantia's fight itself was pretty underwhelming. After all that buildup, it turns out that "Heaven's Ladder" is simply an overpowered cannon. Big deal... The fight didn't take much since the cult people weren't really fighting back in the first place.

Indeed, most of my interest comes from the aerial battle and that in and of itself was glorious. Chamber telling Red that's he's no longer a soldier is very symbolic and powerful in hindsight of seeing though his journey of the series.

It was nice to see that Garganita has begun joining forces with other fleets and is pushing to advance themselves now. They have begun to teach the knowledge that once only Bevel and Dr. Oldham wanted to know. I'm glad Red's happy.

We leave the stars and it's eternal war to the GA and the space Hideauze. And the Earth, who it seems it was the inhabitants left behind who fixed if from its iceball status, to those inhabitants' descendants.

All in all, this was a good series, not great, but good. It had a lot of good potential, but it seemed to not quite know what to do with it all. The series ended up becoming a bit of a mish-mash of half-finished ideas and in the end only ended up being half as good as it could have been.

I give this episode an 8/10, and the series a 7.5/10.

Rest in Peace, Chamber, and farewell Gargantia...

P.S.

I'm serious, "Go to hell, you tin can!" is THE best line in this series. Right up there with, "Make my day.", "Yippee-ki-yay, motherf--er.", and "Get away from her, you bitch!"

VTHokiePride
2013-07-01, 23:30
Chamber, your sacrifice was not in vain. He had his best moments in this episode. For an AI, he seemed almost human without the emotions. Then again saying,"Go to hell, you tin can!" has some anger put into it. :D This series was overall an 8/10 for me. Two things though. 1) So Amy has a pet chipmunk type animal and no Ledo has one? 2) Was that supposed to be another unit underwater?

Gravitas Free Zone
2013-07-02, 00:12
Two things though. 1) So Amy has a pet chipmunk type animal and no Ledo has one? 2) Was that supposed to be another unit underwater?

1. Supposedly they're a male and a female chipmunk/squirrelthing, so at least one ship should be sailing.

2. That should be the rest of Chamber's Machine Caliber body... note in the wide shot with the whalesquid that the top of the head is missing.

Jerseykid
2013-07-02, 07:52
The happy ending!

but no kiss :(

GreyZone
2013-07-02, 10:26
We can still have hopes for the OVAs... and a sequel is not impossible at least

Eratas123
2013-07-02, 10:42
I'm just glad it actually ended. A lot of anime's nowadays have open-ended endings that make for giant sequel baits. Here everything's tied up except for that signal that'll reach in 6000 years. But hey, ten bucks says the Alliance is spacedust by then.

GreyZone
2013-07-02, 11:26
I'm just glad it actually ended. A lot of anime's nowadays have open-ended endings that make for giant sequel baits. Here everything's tied up except for that signal that'll reach in 6000 years. But hey, ten bucks says the Alliance is spacedust by then.

And when the alliance is space dust and the hideauze continue their "galaxy domination plan" at some point they will stumble upon their "planet of origins" and will probably think that the Gargantians are the remnants of the GA...
But right now it seems that that will only happen in a couple of hundreds or even thousand years, so let's focus on something that is more recent:

Ledo's and Amy's relationship... it was built up a lot, but the end result was a bit......... weak?

Miraluka
2013-07-02, 11:43
Aww, Urobuchi made us to like Chamber only to kill him later in the end ;_;

She ends up in Pinion's harem.
Lies, Pinion loves his treasure hunting.

Bern-san
2013-07-02, 12:01
I did like the finale. Chamber is one of the best characters of the song and my favorite mecha.
I hoped for a somewhat predictable ending without any sort of sudden Urobutcher plotwist so I was glad with the way it ended.
About Amy and Ledo, he did say that he wants to stay with and we've been shown Amy has feelings for Ledo so even if we didn't manage to see any type of romantic display I'm sure they will hook up.

A very entertaining anime with very interesting concepts that I would love to have seen them more expanded but at least I wasn't as dissatisfied as with Psycho-Pass

Triple_R
2013-07-02, 12:04
Who did Ledo think of when Chamber asked him if he was prepared to die?

Ledo thought of Amy, and Ledo started crying then. I think it's pretty clear that he's very attached to Amy, and that they're likely to have a full-fledged romance at some point.

Methuselah
2013-07-02, 12:50
In my mind. Bellows X Ledo foreva

Winterson
2013-07-02, 17:26
Best Line Ever-------->Go to hell Tin Can!

Winterson
2013-07-02, 17:31
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A couple of the characters in this scene rather well animated more than usual is there a meaning behind this?

I'm thinking that there'd be a sequel... I am thinking, I'm thinking, just thinking.... can't get over the shows beautiful ending.

Unknown Soldier
2013-07-04, 23:16
This ended a lot better than it should have, to be perfectly honest. They did manage to cram everything into 26 minutes though and it worked out okay. Dat Gen Butch writing magic, I guess. In the end it was a fun little series with some nice characters, though everyone was underused and everything was rushed to fit it into 1 cour. This show could have been epic with a 26 episodes run, even though the overarching story ended up being rather flimsy. God knows they've dragged out much worse mecha shows than this one for longer than 13 episodes!

Well, I guess we have the extra episodes being included with the Blu-ray releases to look forward to at least.

Cosmic Eagle
2013-07-05, 10:11
Chamber confirmed for ultimate bro...