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Kairin
2013-07-05, 22:57
As the title of this thread suggest, the purpose here is to allow discussion which compares the content between an anime episode as it aired and how it is laid out in the source material the anime was adapted from. All spoilers are allowed as long as it is relevant to the discussion at hand. It will be helpful if the posters clearly indicate the episode number before engaging into a detailed comparison to the source material. Obviously you are required to watch the episode prior to posting here. Thread is open to everyone, but since the novel readers are expected to participate, the anime-only viewers are advised to use discretion before venturing into this thread.

For the High School DxD Novel Readers: Please do your darndest best to stay on topic when engaging into these comparison. Whenever you see one of your fellow novel reader is spewing spoiler for no apparent reason, feel free to tell him/her to stop. Report such post so a moderator can delete the off-topic post.

Have fun!

Wigwams
2013-07-07, 20:53
Episode 1: Im sad with the fact that Rias didnt barge in on the scene where Akeno was sucking Ise's finger. It was a nice scene in the LN.

birdy1564
2013-07-08, 01:04
let's not also forget that it also cuts Akeno's conservation with Issei of wanting to make a love affair, that part was one of my favorite one in the novel

sky black swordman
2013-07-08, 03:05
Episode 1: Im sad with the fact that Rias didnt barge in on the scene where Akeno was sucking Ise's finger. It was a nice scene in the LN.

let's not also forget that it also cuts Akeno's conservation with Issei of wanting to make a love affair, that part was one of my favorite one in the novel

I'm still holding out hope that they will do both of these in episode two. :heh:

Chris38
2013-07-08, 03:29
From what I remember it has been recently mentioned somewhere on the Highschool DxD sub forum or some other place (sorry, can't find the source, at the moment) that Akeno's dragon sucking scene is going to be longer and Rias argument with her, is also going to be shown, in the BD version of Episode 1.

From what I remember the ultimate source of this information, has been Miyama Zero's twitter page, so if someone knows Japanese, they can verify if this information is correct.

EDIT: I found the source. In Japanese it's written like this:

今のシーンも続きもBDで

Using Google, it translates into something similar to this statement:

Continued scene of today in BD

Valky
2013-07-08, 03:41
They apparently add 3 more minutes for BD episodes, according to the news mentioned earlier. So, lets looking forward to the BD.

Btw, the order a bit different, huh? Compared to the novel.

sky black swordman
2013-07-08, 06:25
^ I sort of expect something like that to happen, after taking into consideration what they did in season 1.
From what I remember it has been recently mentioned somewhere on the Highschool DxD sub forum or some other place (sorry, can't find the source, at the moment) that Akeno's dragon sucking scene is going to be longer and Rias argument with her, is also going to be shown, in the BD version of Episode 1.

From what I remember the ultimate source of this information, has been Miyama Zero's twitter page, so if someone knows Japanese, they can verify if this information is correct.

EDIT: I found the source. In Japanese it's written like this:



Using Google, it translates into something similar to this statement:

*tsk* I guess, I will have to wait until then. :(

Heat Exhaustion
2013-07-08, 11:03
It usually needs to be in chronological order. Or it'll end up as a confusing mess like K.

Wilshere
2013-07-08, 11:03
I think they did cut Akeno's affection towards Issei in S1 right? Her having them now seems bit confusing to viewers although its a harem show.

sky black swordman
2013-07-08, 17:45
I think they did cut Akeno's affection towards Issei in S1 right? Her having them now seems bit confusing to viewers although its a harem show.

In season1 ? :eyebrow:
No they didn't, in volume 1 and 2, Akeno barely interacted with Ise. Her thought and personal feelings toward him at that particular time was that he was a cute junior and that he was ," like a very idiotic little brother."

Wigwams
2013-07-08, 22:46
Yeah, Rias and Akeno started liking Ise after his fight with Raiser which happened in the ending part of S1. That sucking scene was supposed to be the start of the 2 onee-san's fight over Ise. :upset:

ReaperxKingx
2013-07-08, 22:54
I think they did cut Akeno's affection towards Issei in S1 right? Her having them now seems bit confusing to viewers although its a harem show.

It does seem confusing, but if you are a avid reader of the series then you already have become accustom to the unusual. AKeno affection does start in volume 3, and the anime does follow the Light Novel almost to the letter during that scene with Akeno. Though I was expecting it to be more borderline pornography by the details of the Light Novel.

Wilshere
2013-07-09, 04:23
It does seem confusing, but if you are a avid reader of the series then you already have become accustom to the unusual. AKeno affection does start in volume 3, and the anime does follow the Light Novel almost to the letter during that scene with Akeno. Though I was expecting it to be more borderline pornography by the details of the Light Novel.

I have read until Volume 5-6 but that was like months ago so I waited for the anime to draw comparison, and I guess she shows real interest in Volume 3+.

darkmaster1928
2013-07-09, 19:03
Could someone tell me where the scene with azazel appears in the novel? i didnt remember it :/.

Chris38
2013-07-09, 19:45
Could someone tell me where the scene with azazel appears in the novel? i didnt remember it :/.

No wonder you don't remember it, since it's an anime made content.

The "novel" scene with Azazel occurs in Life. 0, part 2 of volume 4, and the anime hasn't reached that moment yet.

ReaperxKingx
2013-07-09, 20:37
No wonder you don't remember it, since it's an anime made content.

The "novel" scene with Azazel occurs in Life. 0, part 2 of volume 4, and the anime hasn't reached that moment yet.

I am not sure to why they put Azazel this early in the story. Are they trying to expand volume 3? I'll admit that volume 3 does seem short if they were to animate it.

GDB
2013-07-09, 20:41
Probably putting him in now because it's kind of just tossed out there that he's one of Issei's regular clients (if not his best client), yet the first time we meet him as viewers is when he outs himself as the Viceroy of the Fallen Angels.

ReaperxKingx
2013-07-09, 21:05
Probably putting him in now because it's kind of just tossed out there that he's one of Issei's regular clients (if not his best client), yet the first time we meet him as viewers is when he outs himself as the Viceroy of the Fallen Angels.

He is Ise's best customer Azazel pays Ise with Gold and Jewels, forgot which part in the Novel where it is mentioned, but I know it was mentioned.

sky black swordman
2013-07-09, 21:09
He is Ise's best customer Azazel pays Ise with Gold and Jewels, forgot which part in the Novel where it is mentioned, but I know it was mentioned.

@Chris38, mentioned it's location in his post, "Life. 0, part 2 of volume 4." :)

Chris38
2013-07-09, 22:58
@Reaper

Well, the only thing that came to my mind, on why Azazel was introduced so early, is because of the fact, that ... during the final battle of volume 3, Vali mentioned that he is fulfilling Azazel's "orders".

Maybe, they want to make that particular scene, a little easier to understand, to the anime viewer, by introducing us to Azazel, before the final fight of the volume is going to occur.

ReaperxKingx
2013-07-09, 23:02
@Reaper

Well, the only thing that came to my mind, on why Azazel was introduced so early, is because of the fact, that ... during the final battle of volume 3, Vali mentioned that he is fulfilling Azazel's "orders".

Maybe, they want to make that particular scene, a little easier to understand to the anime viewer, by introducing us to Azazel, before the final fight of the volume is going to occur.

Anime viewers are so picky, regardless I agree it will serve that purpose. Though Azazel appears much older in the anime than the Light Novel.

DrakeKnight
2013-07-10, 00:28
Well Azazel was Ise's customer before his identity was known so the anime is close to the LN

GDB
2013-07-10, 09:09
Though Azazel appears much older in the anime than the Light Novel.

He doesn't really seem that old to me. Maybe early 30's, in terms of looks.

sky black swordman
2013-07-15, 06:33
So due to the anime removing the certain moments and scenes that show Rias and Asia, competing for Issei's love and affection seems to be causing people to start throwing around "that" particular acronym.

DrakeKnight
2013-07-15, 11:10
Cant really label the relationship with between those three with that acronym because ep 2 shows Asia perfectly happy is only Rias share Ise

sky black swordman
2013-07-15, 21:08
That's true, but there are people that are using it. *sigh*

ImperialFlameGod8190
2013-07-16, 04:39
So this is where it all went alright but yea using "that" is naïve because 1 there not in a relationship yet in the anime point 2. Nobody is stealing anybody honestly. 3. That word doesn't apply at all in this series accept for Asstaroth's attempt in Vol 6 but he got punished for that.

XFire
2013-07-16, 15:02
I am not sure to why they put Azazel this early in the story. Are they trying to expand volume 3? I'll admit that volume 3 does seem short if they were to animate it.

I actually like that they did this. I was a little put off by the way that they just suddenly introduced him in vol 4. "Hey this guy has been my client for a while...HOLYSHITSUDDENANGELWINGS."

GDB
2013-07-16, 15:57
I actually like that they did this. I was a little put off by the way that they just suddenly introduced him in vol 4. "Hey this guy has been my client for a while...HOLYSHITSUDDENANGELWINGS."

Agreed 100%.

b10nutz
2013-08-10, 15:34
I just started reading the Novels a few days back and I'm already half way through Vol. 4 and I have to say it is so much more enjoyable reading the Novels then watching the Anime, there are moments were my imagination is over stimulated and can't stop from reading. :)

Regarding the way that Azazel (along with Vali, although if you did not read the Novel you just may think as him as a mysterious character for now, or at least until the next episode) was introduce I think the anime did a better job, in the Novel he was introduce way to abrupt.

AC-Phoenix
2013-08-18, 23:22
And starting next week we will have to bear Serafall for at least 2 episodes...
I wonder how they will display all the stars in her sentences...

DrakeKnight
2013-08-18, 23:58
The anime showed Akeno falling for Ise better. Anime make it happen for a longer time period. I like how they divided the "finger sucking" scene in two and how Akeno shows alot more emotion on the second part of the scene in episode 7 after she fall for Ise.

GDB
2013-09-11, 19:21
Don't like how the preview for next week seems to imply Irina has her Excalibur Mimic back. That's supposed to be fused with the other 3 Excalibur parts by now. Unless they're going to say she's using the 4-piece Excalibur, which is also kind of...

Chris38
2013-09-11, 20:39
^ I think that it was mentioned in the novels that the fragments separated again, and can be used to create another Excalibur based upon the core that was used as a base.

The way it was stated in the novel, don't suggest that the core's of Excalibur have been fused.

“Irina returned to headquarters along with the corpse of Balba and the 5 Excaliburs including mine. The “fragments” that act as the cores were retrieved in that state. So the mission of retrieving it was accomplished. If they have the cores, they can use alchemy to make the holy-swords again.”

So, I see no problem in Irina having Excalibur Mimic again, provided that it's destroyed during the current incident.

GDB
2013-09-11, 20:46
I suppose that works, but then it also means there's absolutely no reason why she shouldn't be using some form of Excalibur when she appears again in volume 6, since Xenovia doesn't get the sheathe until volume 9. Until then, Irina is just using swords of light, and Excalibur would obviously be stronger than that.

Wigwams
2013-09-22, 23:58
I was looking forward to Azazel's speech and the fallen angels pledging their loyalty to him and the alliance. :upset:

Somethindarker
2013-09-23, 03:02
I am not sure to why they put Azazel this early in the story. Are they trying to expand volume 3? I'll admit that volume 3 does seem short if they were to animate it.
He is Ise's best customer Azazel pays Ise with Gold and Jewels, forgot which part in the Novel where it is mentioned, but I know it was mentioned.
@Reaper

Well, the only thing that came to my mind, on why Azazel was introduced so early, is because of the fact, that ... during the final battle of volume 3, Vali mentioned that he is fulfilling Azazel's "orders".

Maybe, they want to make that particular scene, a little easier to understand, to the anime viewer, by introducing us to Azazel, before the final fight of the volume is going to occur.

I like the way the anime introduced Azazel, in the novel all his previous interactions with him were through flashbacks, so putting him in the story earlier makes perfect sense.

He doesn't really seem that old to me. Maybe early 30's, in terms of looks.

The way he looks makes him seem more "world traveled", if you pay attention to the novels he looks closer to the anime the farther into the story you get.

So due to the anime removing the certain moments and scenes that show Rias and Asia, competing for Issei's love and affection seems to be causing people to start throwing around "that" particular acronym.

I also wanted to see Issei teaching Koneko how to swim...


Cant really label the relationship with between those three with that acronym because ep 2 shows Asia perfectly happy is only Rias share Ise

Well Rias is the first wife and Asia is her second in command.


That's true, but there are people that are using it. *sigh*

Using what?

I suppose that works, but then it also means there's absolutely no reason why she shouldn't be using some form of Excalibur when she appears again in volume 6, since Xenovia doesn't get the sheathe until volume 9. Until then, Irina is just using swords of light, and Excalibur would obviously be stronger than that.

Was she even supposed to be at the Alliance meeting? I don't remember her there at all.

GDB
2013-09-23, 05:55
Was she even supposed to be at the Alliance meeting? I don't remember her there at all.

In the novels, no she was not at the meeting.

sky black swordman
2013-09-24, 15:46
Using what?Well, the NTR acronym. Some people (most likely anime only viewers) were saying that Rias stole Issei from Asia.

n0m@n
2014-03-16, 18:06
After watching season 2, I have to say that season 2 did crap compared to season 1.
Season 2 received more budget and had more potential to do better than season 1. Though it couldn't pull it off.

1.) Wasted too much episodes on useless parts. It didn't need 6 episodes to cover volume 3 plot. 4 or 5 episodes would have been fine. And they rushed the main/important parts of volume 4. Seriously, there was a single episode dedicated Gasper, but that wasted a lot of time. Hence the climax was rushed.

2.) There was no need to have 2 OP and 2 ED. If you compare between the 2 OP, 80 to 90% off screen were recycled and used. Simply having 1 OP and 1 ED would have been enough. They could have used the budget they used on the extra OP and ED on something else...

3.) The final battle between Ise and Vali was done badly. Too rushed. The season 1 final battle between Ise and Raiser did much MUCH better. But Ise and Vali was supposed to be better in the original LN...

lived_1714
2014-03-16, 19:55
Of course, they don't show that Issei can use [Divide] after taking the gem in.

X102reddragon
2014-03-18, 11:44
^ actually they did.

lived_1714
2014-03-18, 12:07
^ actually they did.

The Blu-Ray version?

Chris38
2014-03-18, 12:12
The Blu-Ray version?

Nope the original one. You might have been distracted by the naked image of Rias, since it happened a few seconds after it was shown. :)

X102reddragon
2014-03-20, 17:22
^ lol bingo.

lived_1714
2014-03-21, 06:22
Re-watched it, yes, Issei did have a punch at Vali which was also [Divide], but I mean in the light novel he divided magic ball or what then Saji commented that Issei wouldn't achieve the same caliber divide as Vali.

Starway
2015-05-03, 00:20
There's a thread in the novel sub-forum that's sadly underused: High School DxD - Weekly Anime Episode-to-Novel Comparison Thread [Spoilers Aplenty] (https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=120467)

And I would HIGHLY SUGGEST that all this discussion move there.
Well as he said we should try using this old dusty closet some more I I'll start what everyone favourite and least favourite change from the novel this season I like the extra scene time that's is being given to some people who didn't get any in the novels and dislike that theirs to much focus on Loki.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-03, 00:55
Well frankly i didnt like the execution of almost everything related to Loki and the battles. Original Loki doesnt come during the conference he ambushes and introduces himself and basically goes without doing Much. Seeing Vali and issei work together would've been rather fun also. As for Akeno and her dad. The impact of the date was completely ruined because the episode before Akeno seems to accept her power but all of the sudden hates her Dad.

Personally one of the questions i've always had is how the hell did he come up with Bilingual originally but i gotta say what they did was utterly idiotic

Royalknightftw
2015-05-03, 01:49
Alright here is my rant regarding vol 5 episode

RUSHED AS HELL and a lot of liberties taken which i think is not so good

1. In the LN it was explained how to acquire Gleipnir and why they should use it, how about in the Anime version?? Nope, no single explanation whatsoever
2. Loki in the LN was able to act as cocky as hell thanks to Fenrir, but here not only Fenrir is weak as hell it also just makes Loki looks dumb ( Come on all his "military armaments" are just defective)
3. No love for Akeno, eh ?? Her problem which was introduced and solved brilliantly in the Ln is completely butchered in the Anime version.
4. Too much hype for Sairaorg which makes me feel sick

Well, i understand that TNK is struggling to animate 3 volumes in 12 episodes, but still come on, mixing and rushing the materials is just a recipe for a disaster you know

DragoMuseveni
2015-05-03, 03:36
Well i must agree that now at episode 5 akeno`s drama was rushed , but why everybody can`t understand that it was supposed to a time like this to came . I wonder you wanted that season 5 to finish with ise death ?
Well on the other side , Isshibumi said that chichigami will be introduced in another way so .... we won`t know what will happen till the las episode . We know for sure , from the spoilers across the net and ishibumi tweet that volume 6 will be animated faithfully .
Also I hope here were going to argue about the adaptation , because i have a freind who is non LN reader , and he did enjoy this episode as well as the others .
And looking across the web , the non LN readers , some of them liked this episodes, some of them did not liked it and only some of the LN readers are raging .
And I just wonder , if episodes 6-10 will animate the volume 6 , how they will gonna animate the last fight between Ise and Loki .

Krudelu
2015-05-03, 03:55
Alright here is my rant regarding vol 5 episode

RUSHED AS HELL and a lot of liberties taken which i think is not so good

1. In the LN it was explained how to acquire Gleipnir and why they should use it, how about in the Anime version?? Nope, no single explanation whatsoever
2. Loki in the LN was able to act as cocky as hell thanks to Fenrir, but here not only Fenrir is weak as hell it also just makes Loki looks dumb ( Come on all his "military armaments" are just defective)
3. No love for Akeno, eh ?? Her problem which was introduced and solved brilliantly in the Ln is completely butchered in the Anime version.
4. Too much hype for Sairaorg which makes me feel sick

Well, i understand that TNK is struggling to animate 3 volumes in 12 episodes, but still come on, mixing and rushing the materials is just a recipe for a disaster you know

Just sharing my thoughts...

In my opinion, I think 3 volume in 12 episode adaptation is possible but i think its a smarter move to not rearrange events from the source if theyre going for something like this so it wont end up ruining the consistencies even though some things done in a short proper explanation (I guess its better than nothing...). In my opinion, it may have been better if they didn't included unnecessary parts (like that random meeting with Sairaorg during Iseei's training) to use those space for necessary ones.

I'm just gonna wait till season ends to be able to sum up my overall thoughts on this season.

Estzero1
2015-05-03, 07:39
So its ok to, as you said, rush and mess up the consistency of those book just to have another season which could suffer the same problem in order to keep animating more??

Nope, seems you misunderstood me. Of course it's not good and would be better in the right order to avoid such logical flaws. My point just was that even when it weakens the adaption it's still better than some kind of Anime only route, which probably could get no sequel.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-03, 08:30
You know i cant help but laugh at the fact that the stuff you guys are saying were things i said Back when the first few episodes were airing and people looked at me like i'm crazy. Anywho i think my big annoyance is moreso the fact that with 7 episodes to go you basically have only vol 6. Vol 5 is pretty much destroyed and the RG is useless. vol 7 is also quite useless and frankly bringing the breast god in at this point would just be wasteful. Vol 6 is 4 episodes if they do it right but frankly i have scary questions about that especially considering that JD was one of the big points of emphasis for this season. If they screw that up dear satan its a disaster.

MV5
2015-05-03, 17:11
You know i cant help but laugh at the fact that the stuff you guys are saying were things i said Back when the first few episodes were airing and people looked at me like i'm crazy. Anywho i think my big annoyance is moreso the fact that with 7 episodes to go you basically have only vol 6. Vol 5 is pretty much destroyed and the RG is useless. vol 7 is also quite useless and frankly bringing the breast god in at this point would just be wasteful. Vol 6 is 4 episodes if they do it right but frankly i have scary questions about that especially considering that JD was one of the big points of emphasis for this season. If they screw that up dear satan its a disaster.

1)Vol. 6 is not that long a volume.
2)6-9 episodes is already confirmed, more than enough to cover everything. Ishibumi himself said vol.6 will be covered faithfully.
3)You either suffer with the changes now and get it over with or you risk it happening to another season. You have to setup 9&10 rather than 7&9 since the former lead into each other.
4)In the the words of Arron Rodgers, "R-E-L-A-X".

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-03, 17:20
1)Vol. 6 is not that long a volume.
2)6-9 episodes is already confirmed, more than enough to cover everything. Ishibumi himself said vol.6 will be covered faithfully.
3)You either suffer with the changes now and get it over with or you risk it happening to another season. You have to setup 9&10 rather than 7&9 since the former lead into each other.
4)In the the words of Arron Rodgers, "R-E-L-A-X".

First off Welcome to the forums you are clearly new. Secondly its Aaron Rodgers. 3rd its 3-4 ballpark. 1 episode for Irina intro school time and Diodora intro 2nd episode for a bit of Asia awkwardness along with start of RG. Episode 3 we get the reveal of Diodora's real nature along with his curbstomping ending with Asia's death 4th episode JD and Oppai Dragon song.

RDNexus
2015-05-03, 17:30
If you're already predicting what's to come, then I ask... Is it that bad?

MV5
2015-05-03, 17:34
First off Welcome to the forums you are clearly new. Secondly its Aaron Rodgers. 3rd its 3-4 ballpark. 1 episode for Irina intro school time and Diodora intro 2nd episode for a bit of Asia awkwardness along with start of RG. Episode 3 we get the reveal of Diodora's real nature along with his curbstomping ending with Asia's death 4th episode JD and Oppai Dragon song.

Which would mean 3 episodes to cover the final showdown with Loki. The Aaron Rodgers spell check doesn't really work on the name since there are two ways to spell it. Eh, it happens.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-03, 17:43
If you're already predicting what's to come, then I ask... Is it that bad?

Vol 6 is one of those volumes thats difficult to screw up but if you screw it up you do it fantastically.
The leadup is quite simple Irina introduced as a member of the school and leadup to Diodora. Showing him sending gifts is fine thats not difficult to screw up either. Its the actual RG that you must do well. The kidnapping having issei fight the nuns is pretty straightforward especially with DxDs fanservice styling. Freed is a OHKO so as long as he has his evilness and reveals diodora's true nature you're fine. The key to vol 6's execution is 2 things IMO. 1. You must get to Diodora by the beginning of the third episode that way his curbstomping is part of the 3rd episode and then Shalba comes in around the time of the eyecatch. There is 1 area that you can screw up and pacing is the key You absolutely must end the second to last episode of the volume with Juggernaught drive because the impact is greatest that way and the last episode is set.

MV5 the problem with 3 episodes for the final showdown is what exactly are you gonna do. You've lost Glepnir the vali issei teamup is pointless because Fenrir is gone. Talking to the actual sleeping dragon is pointless. All the leadup that happens in the original fight is GONE. So you just have them confronting loki which frankly we've already seen is pointless because they'll be curbstomped again. The breast fairy thing is also pointless because we've shown that he can handle it with a few boosts. There's no legitimate way you can see him winning without it being *shudder* anime original something which tainted this entire storyline to begin with

Seafoam
2015-05-03, 17:46
You absolutely must end the second to last episode of the volume with Juggernaught drive because the impact is greatest that way and the last episode is set.

Agreed 100%

GDB
2015-05-03, 17:51
Uh, no? The novel did it best by ending the previous "chapter" with Asia "dying". That's a far, FAR greater cliffhanger than Issei going berserk. If she doesn't "die" as the cliffhanger, then her death is 100% overshadowed by <insert yet another power-up for the main character here>.

MV5
2015-05-03, 18:00
MV5 the problem with 3 episodes for the final showdown is what exactly are you gonna do. You've lost Glepnir the vali issei teamup is pointless because Fenrir is gone. Talking to the actual sleeping dragon is pointless. All the leadup that happens in the original fight is GONE. So you just have them confronting loki which frankly we've already seen is pointless because they'll be curbstomped again. The breast fairy thing is also pointless because we've shown that he can handle it with a few boosts. There's no legitimate way you can see him winning without it being *shudder* anime original something which tainted this entire storyline to begin with

They will probably use the curse that Loki placed upon Issei as a driving point for the final battle. I've heard people theorize that maybe it will make Issei undergo JD again and go berserk to setup a fight with Vali. Or it will make Issei fall under Loki's control, where the chichigami could help break said control. All speculation at this point.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-03, 18:02
Uh, no? The novel did it best by ending the previous "chapter" with Asia "dying". That's a far, FAR greater cliffhanger than Issei going berserk. If she doesn't "die" as the cliffhanger, then her death is 100% overshadowed by <insert yet another power-up for the main character here>.

^^^^THIS. JUST THIS.

I'm still trying to figure how they will make the Oppai Dragon stuff since apparently there's no Sitri RG. I think they could say Azazel wanted to do it for the lulz, and it'd make sense, Azazel built a bunch of crazy stuff for lulz after all. I'm still waiting for the SS with the Maouga to be translated. But it still worries me.

Archilla
2015-05-03, 18:18
As much as I agree that the cliffhanger should be Asia's "death" and not the Power-up HYPEHYPEHYPE of the MC, I think it's most likely that they'll be doing the latter.

Look at how they ended the second to last episode that's out of BorN. It's just natural for a shonen to end an episode like this, and a "safe" decision. I love TNK and the work they've done for us, but I don't expect them to break away from the par.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-03, 18:22
Uh, no? The novel did it best by ending the previous "chapter" with Asia "dying". That's a far, FAR greater cliffhanger than Issei going berserk. If she doesn't "die" as the cliffhanger, then her death is 100% overshadowed by <insert yet another power-up for the main character here>.

I cant disagree with that but here's the question and its an opinion one. What makes Juggernaut drive such an iconic scene. Is it the transformation itself or is it why the transformation happens. I'll give u a comparable event. In Dragon Ball Z Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan for the first time after watching Frieza kill his best friend. if they ended that episode with krillins death and then had Goku transform in anger the next episode would it be as iconic. Same idea here. My opinion is Super Saiyan is iconic because you see his pain erupt into power and that fuels him. Its an opinion so idk what your thought on the subject is.

^^^^THIS. JUST THIS.

I'm still trying to figure how they will make the Oppai Dragon stuff since apparently there's no Sitri RG. I think they could say Azazel wanted to do it for the lulz, and it'd make sense, Azazel built a bunch of crazy stuff for lulz after all. I'm still waiting for the SS with the Maouga to be translated. But it still worries me.

You know the scary thing is i forgot about the Oppai dragon thing because without the reveal of the TV show and the stuff the theme song to stop JD is also not quite there. Plus we have akeno sexytime but no Rias time YET.


The problem with that second statement is they've broken away from the "par" with dxd already so doing it moreso isnt surprising

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-03, 18:22
As much as I agree that the cliffhanger should be Asia's "death" and not the Power-up HYPEHYPEHYPE of the MC, I think it's most likely that they'll be doing the latter.

Look at how they ended the second to last episode that's out of BorN. It's just natural for a shonen to end an episode like this, and a "safe" decision. I love TNK and the work they've done for us, but I don't expect them to break away from the par.

Actually, that scene in episode 4 makes me want them to go with the former even more. If they just repeat that it'll be kind of repetitive.

@Imperial: They already did the Oppai Dragon Song (It was brilliant, I still put that on replay for about an hour every now and then), so It's already confirmed to happen. It's more a worry of how they'll explain it.

Archilla
2015-05-03, 18:24
Actually, that scene in episode 4 makes me want them to go with the former even more. If they just repeat that it'll be kind of repetitive.

I agree. I'm just saying that I feel like it's likely that they will be doing the same thing. TNK wants this stuff to sell well. Didn't Ishibumi say JD was even more powerful this time around?

They're gonna hype the absolute crap out of it.

EDIT: Imperial, I see what you're going for with the SSJ reference, and no one is denying that it's one of the most iconic scenes in all of anime. But we've come to see DBZ inspired stuff like that all over the place. The "Rage-induced MC power-up to new epic form" is a trope, and almost a cliché at this point. Just because something else was iconic, doesn't mean a carbon-copy will be.

Seafoam
2015-05-03, 18:26
He just said it would be more epic than the LN. Not more powerful. But regardless I'm not even sure how that's even remotely possible.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-03, 18:30
He just said it would be more epic than the LN. Not more powerful. But regardless I'm not even sure how that's even remotely possible.
I'm pretty sure he said JD will be stronger in the second to latest post on his blog. Or the last one, don't remember exactly. At least Google Translate told me he said that. :p

If they paid 1/2 of the total budget for the animator of that episode and 1/3 third for the soundtrack of that same episode, it'll be the first time I get a boner watching DxD.

Gary29
2015-05-03, 18:32
I'm pretty sure he said JD will be stronger in the second to latest post on his blog. Or the last one, don't remember exactly. At least Google Translate told me he said that. :p

If they paid 1/2 of the total budget for the animator of that episode and 1/3 third for the soundtrack of that same episode, it'll be the first time I get a boner watching DxD.

It'll feel more powerful. Meaning exactly what Obey said.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-03, 18:34
It'll feel more powerful. Meaning exactly what Obey said.

I was kinda joking.

You know I said I used Google Translate don't you? It's not like I'm believing everything I read there to the letter, I'm not crazy. lol

Gary29
2015-05-03, 18:36
I was kinda joking.

You know I said I used Google Translate don't you? It's not like I'm believing everything I read there to the letter, I'm not crazy. lol

I know, I was only clarifying what I interpreted from GT. :heh:

On the Oppai Dragon stuff, the key part is how they're gonna get the children's attention on Ise so they can come up with the Oppai Dragon show. Fighting Loki wasn't televised so they can't use that excuse; I still think the best bet is showing the Sitri RG off-screen with the highlights as a TV broadcast and then they keep the Young Devils Tournament momentum as well as a reason for the Oppai Dragon show's commencement.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-03, 18:38
Actually, that scene in episode 4 makes me want them to go with the former even more. If they just repeat that it'll be kind of repetitive.

@Imperial: They already did the Oppai Dragon Song (It was brilliant, I still put that on replay for about an hour every now and then), so It's already confirmed to happen. It's more a worry of how they'll explain it.

That was my point. They've ignored Oppai Dragon to this point so they cant explain the song logically without it.



EDIT: Imperial, I see what you're going for with the SSJ reference, and no one is denying that it's one of the most iconic scenes in all of anime. But we've come to see DBZ inspired stuff like that all over the place. The "Rage-induced MC power-up to new epic form" is a trope, and almost a cliché at this point. Just because something else was iconic, doesn't mean a carbon-copy will be.

you're right however within every series you have certain moments that stand out and certain moments that you absolutely have to do right. I thought about my worries so i did a pole in the Social group for DxD about what are the top 3 iconic moments in this anime. Juggernaut drive is number 2 and if you ask anybody whose an LN reader (including me) one of the most important reasons for a Season 3 was juggernaut drive being animated. Its incredibly iconic within DxD most people probably wouldnt actually think of the SSJ reference without it being mentioned some might but either way THEY MUST DO THIS RIGHT. especially with a sketchy Loki battle remaining. If they do JD wrong it sets up very poorly for what i can only guess is a vol 9 and 10 season 4 (though doing 9 10 and 11 would be interesting (not necessarily in a good way)) because vol 10 of the current translated chapters is probably the best volume of the entire series to this point.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-03, 18:47
That was my point. They've ignored Oppai Dragon to this point so they cant explain the song logically without it.



you're right however within every series you have certain moments that stand out and certain moments that you absolutely have to do right. I thought about my worries so i did a pole in the Social group for DxD about what are the top 3 iconic moments in this anime. Juggernaut drive is number 2 and if you ask anybody whose an LN reader (including me) one of the most important reasons for a Season 3 was juggernaut drive being animated. Its incredibly iconic within DxD most people probably wouldnt actually think of the SSJ reference without it being mentioned some might but either way THEY MUST DO THIS RIGHT. especially with a sketchy Loki battle remaining. If they do JD wrong it sets up very poorly for what i can only guess is a vol 9 and 10 season 4 (though doing 9 10 and 11 would be interesting (not necessarily in a good way)) because vol 10 of the current translated chapters is probably the best volume of the entire series to this point.

Actually I would be mad as hell if they did V9-V11 as a Season 4. The reason I can put up with BorN doing 3 Volumes is because it allows them to give the 3rd Arc, which is the best one up to now by far, a proper adaptation.

And the fact that V7 is the worse Volume up to date and only has 4 scenes I care about, but that's besides the point.

GDB
2015-05-03, 18:49
I cant disagree with that but here's the question and its an opinion one. What makes Juggernaut drive such an iconic scene. Is it the transformation itself or is it why the transformation happens. I'll give u a comparable event. In Dragon Ball Z Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan for the first time after watching Frieza kill his best friend. if they ended that episode with krillins death and then had Goku transform in anger the next episode would it be as iconic. Same idea here. My opinion is Super Saiyan is iconic because you see his pain erupt into power and that fuels him. Its an opinion so idk what your thought on the subject is.

While I agree with the premise, Goku's rage took all of maybe 45 seconds to manifest into a transformation. Issei's will probably take close to 5 minutes.

That was my point. They've ignored Oppai Dragon to this point so they cant explain the song logically without it.


All they really have to do is have Azazel decide it'd be fun to do and bring it up in episode 6 or 7. They don't need to make a big thing out of it.

Archilla
2015-05-03, 18:50
That was my point. They've ignored Oppai Dragon to this point so they cant explain the song logically without it.



you're right however within every series you have certain moments that stand out and certain moments that you absolutely have to do right. I thought about my worries so i did a pole in the Social group for DxD about what are the top 3 iconic moments in this anime. Juggernaut drive is number 2 and if you ask anybody whose an LN reader (including me) one of the most important reasons for a Season 3 was juggernaut drive being animated. Its incredibly iconic within DxD most people probably wouldnt actually think of the SSJ reference without it being mentioned some might but either way THEY MUST DO THIS RIGHT. especially with a sketchy Loki battle remaining. If they do JD wrong it sets up very poorly for what i can only guess is a vol 9 and 10 season 4 (though doing 9 10 and 11 would be interesting (not necessarily in a good way)) because vol 10 of the current translated chapters is probably the best volume of the entire series to this point.

The part where I disagree is that the only way to make it iconic is to have the episode end on it. You know how to make it iconic? Make it awesome, well-done, and meaningful. And part of the meaningfulness is Asia.

For instance, to continue with the SSJ reference, are you aware the episode where SSJ is revealed doesn't end on the transformation? You get a scene with Ginyu-Frog and Bulma first.

What made that scene iconic was what it meant and the imagery. When most people think of that scene, the image that pops into their head is the famous shot of Goku from behind, glowing with golden aura, just having transformed. It was important because it showed how much Goku cared, and it went on to define the series.

JD be will be iconic if they make it look amazing, and get it to show how far Issei is willing to go for his loved ones. Blowing Asia out of the water by ending the episode on JD happening just leaves us with a classic Shonen ending, and you can practically hear DBZ's narrator:

"Has Shalba pushed Issei's anger to new heights?

And can Issei avenge the life of his close friend Asia?

*cue that epic guitar riff*

The only way to find out is to stay tuned to the next exciting episode of High... School... D...(xD)"

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-03, 18:54
"Has Shalba pushed Issei's anger to new heights?

And can Issei avenge the life of his close friend Asia?

*cue that epic guitar riff*

The only way to find out is to stay tuned to the next exciting episode of High... School... D...(xD)"

"Next Episode title: Asia is fine."


At least in my country the DBZ titles spoiled a lot of cool stuff. I still remember "Frieza is defeated" xD

GDB
2015-05-03, 18:56
At least we'd be able to find out how to pronounce DxD. D by D, D and D, D ex D, DD, D of D, etc.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-03, 18:59
Actually I would be mad as hell if they did V9-V11 as a Season 4. The reason I can put up with BorN doing 3 Volumes is because it allows them to give the 3rd Arc, which is the best one up to now by far, a proper adaptation.

And the fact that V7 is the worse Volume up to date and only has 4 scenes I care about, but that's besides the point.

Trust me i agree that vol 9-11 as season 4 would be bad.

The part where I disagree is that the only way to make it iconic is to have the episode end on it. You know how to make it iconic? Make it awesome, well-done, and meaningful. And part of the meaningfulness is Asia.

For instance, to continue with the SSJ reference, are you aware the episode where SSJ is revealed doesn't end on the transformation? You get a scene with Ginyu-Frog and Bulma first.

What made that scene iconic was what it meant and the imagery. When most people think of that scene, the image that pops into their head is the famous shot of Goku from behind, glowing with golden aura, just having transformed. It was important because it showed how much Goku cared, and it went on to define the series.

JD be will be iconic if they make it look amazing, and get it to show how far Issei is willing to go for his loved ones. Blowing Asia out of the water by ending the episode on JD happening just leaves us with a classic Shonen ending, and you can practically hear DBZ's narrator:

"Has Shalba pushed Issei's anger to new heights?

And can Issei avenge the life of his close friend Asia?

*cue that epic guitar riff*

The only way to find out is to stay tuned to the next exciting episode of High... School... D...(xD)"

While you're wrong what makes JD so epic is the fact that the reality is if Vali doesnt appear every single person that was there would've been dead and Sirzechs would've had to appear.

If they end it with Rias gremory you've made the wrong choice and start the transformation you have a much more epic announcement.

DBZ Narrator: What is this new transformation wat does it mean for Issei Shalba and even the Gremory Gang what about poor Asia
All this on the next episode of High School DxD
Title: Juggernaut drive bitch (its actually Juggernaut Drive but i had to make the reference.
*cue guitar riff*

@Chichi DBZ did that for me too in america. However, the fact they didnt show the images meant you knew what was coming but u didnt know HOW they'd do it. The fact they send so many images of the next episode is one of the great flaws of current anime the anticipation isnt as good. I mean really no matter how much you add the fact that they show u wats next ruins a bit of the fun (That episode preview is also gonna be real interesting

Gary29
2015-05-03, 19:21
While you're wrong what makes JD so epic is the fact that the reality is if Vali doesnt appear every single person that was there would've been dead and Sirzechs would've had to appear.


Not true. If Vali didn't appear, they'd still be able to escape but Ise would die (assuming just playing the song longer wouldn't be enough to snap him out of it).

What makes JD so epic is the absolute spine-chilling destruction it brings. Emphasis on spine-chilling. You have Ise walking around, disillusioned, trying to find Asia and go home. Then Shalba mentions she's dead. He looks up slowly, Ddraig starts that infamous line, he walks over to Shalba silently like a ghoul, and finishes [...made the wrong choice.] Then we have absolute curbstomp.

It's not about the power, it's about how it's shown. The cold, merciless desire to tear Shalba apart for what he did to Asia.

Archilla
2015-05-03, 19:24
We talked about ending the ep on the "You made the wrong choice" line before, and while epic it does totally overshadow Asia. Ah well. I'm excited either way.

Also, don't step to my DBZ narrator game, son. That was a direct quote from the CN broadcast, with only the names changed.

Edit: Gary hit the nail on the head.

Biohazardous
2015-05-03, 20:46
Yes letting her dying at end of episode is best. Leaves people on edge wondering what's going to happen and sad.

B214
2015-05-03, 21:57
Yes letting her dying at end of episode is best. Leaves people on edge wondering what's going to happen and sad.

Assuming if they don't show a pv that she's survived.

Archilla
2015-05-03, 22:21
Assuming if they don't show a pv that she's survived.

The PV could just be flashback shots of Asia being all happy, overset by Issei's JD chant.

Or y'know, classic "I can never forgive you for what you've done!" Stuff.

B214
2015-05-03, 22:36
The PV could just be flashback shots of Asia being all happy, overset by Issei's JD chant.

Or y'know, classic "I can never forgive you for what you've done!" Stuff.

What if they show a picture of Vali Team carrying Asia.

Tbolt
2015-05-03, 22:40
LOL the Vali team are not that Dumb.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-03, 22:42
You guys are missing the problem. If you show a character dying at the end of one episode showing them alive in the next one defeats the drama that comes with it. Unfortunately what i forgot is there's a good 3 or 4 minutes of material between the time Asia vanishes and the JD transformation because Shalba comes in but either way if you end the episode with Asia dying the preview CANNOT show evidence of her alive. But what you can do is show the beginnings of JD. But what is for sure is that if its done RIGHT JD will be one of those moments in anime where you could have that Clip alone get more views on youtube then some entire episodes. its that huge a moment.

What do u mean the Vali team arent that dumb

B214
2015-05-03, 22:43
They showed a preview of Ise being healthy and alive after his close call with death. For all we know, TNK might just spoil the entire thing by revealing Asia survived on the pv for next episode.

Tbolt
2015-05-03, 22:48
What do u mean the Vali team arent that dumb
Just what I said they are not so stupid to try and take ANY of Ise's girls.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-03, 22:51
Just what I said they are not so stupid to try and take ANY of Ise's girls.

Dude, they saved her from the Dimensional Gap. What that has to do with taking her?

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-04, 05:34
For once i agree with Chichi thats a dumb little statement

Tbolt
2015-05-04, 05:39
Sorry Imperial you thinking my statement is dumb after all the silly things you post holds no meaning to me. If you want to know what I ment by my original statement just ask me, but for you that is too much to expect. In the LN Vali brought Asia back from the Gap if the "picture" shows that I have no problem but if it is taking Asia away that is a problem. If I miss understood the original statement that is my fault that I will admit.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-04, 07:40
Sorry Imperial you thinking my statement is dumb after all the silly things you post holds no meaning to me. If you want to know what I ment by my original statement just ask me, but for you that is too much to expect. In the LN Vali brought Asia back from the Gap if the "picture" shows that I have no problem but if it is taking Asia away that is a problem. If I miss understood the original statement that is my fault that I will admit.

fine by me. But suggesting the vali team would steal Asia is idiocy plain and simple and chichi and i agree on that. Them showing a picture of Asia is because she's sent to the dimensional gap. Vali kinda saves everybody in a way because not only did he save Asia but he halved issei's JD so the gang could save him with the oppai dragon song and Rias's boobs.

Tbolt
2015-05-04, 07:57
That was a good moment for Vali, but he would not admit it.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-04, 08:37
That was a good moment for Vali, but he would not admit it.

Actually i've gotta say i disagree. True Vali didnt have to do it but Vali is the Vegeta of High School DxD. He helps Issei but only when its useful to him. There's always an endgame. As for whats the use of saving Asia its one of those you owe me moments. If he wasnt the White Dragon emperor i think he and issei would get along very well.

Archilla
2015-05-04, 08:45
Actually i've gotta say i disagree. True Vali didnt have to do it but Vali is the Vegeta of High School DxD. He helps Issei but only when its useful to him. There's always an endgame. As for whats the use of saving Asia its one of those you owe me moments. If he wasnt the White Dragon emperor i think he and issei would get along very well.

Also like Vegeta, Vali is slowly succumbing to becoming a decent guy and will obviously end up being bros with Issei. Hell, he honestly started off less of a dick than Vegeta did.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-04, 09:19
Also like Vegeta, Vali is slowly succumbing to becoming a decent guy and will obviously end up being bros with Issei. Hell, he honestly started off less of a dick than Vegeta did.

Vali becoming bros with issei is fine by me. As for being less of a dick. Vali was worse because Vegeta had a honor code which is why he killed Nappa. Vegeta fought nobly and honorably with very little backstabbing. Vali's big issue is that he threatened to kill issei's family just to make him more interesting.

For better or worse Vegeta has a honor code Vali really didnt to me.

Biohazardous
2015-05-04, 09:20
The start of the chant for JD would be epic. LN readers get chills and hype and anime only gets the uh oh whats happening. Even for anime only you can tell Ise cares for Asia deeply and would flip at her death. So as far as they know he is about to open a can of whoop ass on her "killers."

Archilla
2015-05-04, 09:24
Vali becoming bros with issei is fine by me. As for being less of a dick. Vali was worse because Vegeta had a honor code which is why he killed Nappa. Vegeta fought nobly and honorably with very little backstabbing. Vali's big issue is that he threatened to kill issei's family just to make him more interesting.

For better or worse Vegeta has a honor code Vali really didnt to me.

Uhh, what? Sure, honor n' stuff. But he did attempt to destroy Earth, and murdered an entire Villiage on Namek. Early Vegeta was a WAY bigger dick.


Bio: Smart anime viewers would be losing their minds too, because they'll remember when Vali started his chant...

Biohazardous
2015-05-04, 09:34
Oh dang I forgot about him starting his chant. Tho they still won't know she is alive just that he will proceed to whop ass to avenge her.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-04, 09:38
Uhh, what? Sure, honor n' stuff. But he did attempt to destroy Earth, and murdered an entire Villiage on Namek. Early Vegeta was a WAY bigger dick.


Bio: Smart anime viewers would be losing their minds too, because they'll remember when Vali started his chant...

Vegeta had zero interest in the earth he just wanted to kill Goku because he was stronger then him. As for the Nameks the dragon balls nuff said

They wouldnt be losing their minds because they remember that Albion was saying he didnt need to do it and it wasnt a big deal.

Here's the thing about issei's Juggernaut drive is this. Ddraig is yelling out to everybody

[Rias Gremory, leave this place at once. If you don't want to die, then it would be better to leave here immediately.]

Ddraig's voice. He emitted a sound, so even we can hear him. Leave? What does he mean? Buchou also put on a puzzled face like me.

Ddraig doesnt yell to everybody saying listen you are going to die and then it all begins

[The devil over there. Shalba was your name, right?]

Ise-kun pushes Buchou away, and stands up.

[-You…]

Ise-kun heads towards Shalba, while walking like a ghoul. When he went underneath Shalba, Ddraig's voice comes out from Ise-kun's mouth! His sound doesn't have a slight emotion that it gives chills to my body.

[Made the wrong choice.]

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOON!!!

The shrine shook violently, and Ise-kun starts to emit a blood-like red aura! That aura starts to rise, and it gets bigger. It started to dye the whole area inside the shrine red.

I can understand from the quality of the aura I can feel with my skin! That aura…….is dangerous! From Ise-kun's mouth, a curse-like chant is emitted. The voice isn't just that of Ise-kun. Young. Old. Male. Female. A creepy sound which is mixed with voices of several people.



Ever since that scene has come i've imagined whats gonna happen and everytime i do it brings chills to my spine and i can imagine that the actual episode will be spine chilling. its one of those moments that whether you are a little kid or an adult you will be about to crap their pants. And thats just from my imagination and thinking about how i would do it.

Biohazardous
2015-05-04, 09:43
Yes Imperial which is why we argee they can't mess up the chant or transformation. It has to induce chills.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-04, 10:06
Yes way i see it The diodora battle itself is 3 episodes long and this is if they do it right. '
First episode: gang arrives starts battling the nuns and handles business then Freed comes in. Kiba fights Freed he explains diodora's "style" then after freed is killed
they arrive to face diodora the episode ends with him coming up to Diodora and giving him a good ole punch in the face. (I'd say you can do the eye catch around the time that Freed finishes explaining diodora's "style)
Episode 2: Diodora gets his well deserved thrashing for about 5 minutes or so. you have the whole mess wtih everything happening and then the moment Asia vanishes (this is around the time of the eyecatch i'd say its an eye catch of Asia). Second half of the episode is all the stuff with Shalba and the leadup to JD ends with Ddraig saying to Shalba in a dark voice).
Episode 3: Well this is self explanatory. Juggernaut drive happens shalba has his chomping vali appears yada yada eye catch happens when irina comes in to explain there is a song (and its an irina one (personal preference)). then second half is the song and the birth of the switch princess :D and im guessing that they're gonna end it with the three-legged race and Asia's kiss).

Something to that degree now of course they can do stuff with that regards idc who does the eye catches and all the other stuff but something like this works for me.

Now i wont complain if its not exactly like this (at least i'll try chichi) but i think ideal world this is about how it would be.

Malicre
2015-05-04, 10:23
Yes way i see it The diodora battle itself is 3 episodes long and this is if they do it right. '
First episode: gang arrives starts battling the nuns and handles business then Freed comes in. Kiba fights Freed he explains diodora's "style" then after freed is killed
they arrive to face diodora the episode ends with him coming up to Diodora and giving him a good ole punch in the face. (I'd say you can do the eye catch around the time that Freed finishes explaining diodora's "style)
Episode 2: Diodora gets his well deserved thrashing for about 5 minutes or so. you have the whole mess wtih everything happening and then the moment Asia vanishes (this is around the time of the eyecatch i'd say its an eye catch of Asia). Second half of the episode is all the stuff with Shalba and the leadup to JD ends with Ddraig saying to Shalba in a dark voice).
Episode 3: Well this is self explanatory. Juggernaut drive happens shalba has his chomping vali appears yada yada eye catch happens when irina comes in to explain there is a song (and its an irina one (personal preference)). then second half is the song and the birth of the switch princess :D and im guessing that they're gonna end it with the three-legged race and Asia's kiss).

Something to that degree now of course they can do stuff with that regards idc who does the eye catches and all the other stuff but something like this works for me.

Now i wont complain if its not exactly like this (at least i'll try chichi) but i think ideal world this is about how it would be.

I wonder if there even going to include the three-legged race and kiss, i mean the loki fight is going to happen right after the JD stuff.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-04, 10:25
Now i wont complain if its not exactly like this (at least i'll try chichi) but i think ideal world this is about how it would be.

If they change the Juggernaut Drive I'll rant together with you.
I don't care about Loki or Fenrir, and I can stand the RG against Sitri not happening as long as the development from it happens.
But don't you dare to fuck JD up TNK. Don't even think about it.

Biohazardous
2015-05-04, 10:27
Don't worry Chich and Imperial you won't be alone. :D

Archilla
2015-05-04, 10:28
Everyone here will be crazy mad, obviously. JD is second only to every single second of volume 10.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-04, 10:32
I wonder if there even going to include the three-legged race and kiss, i mean the loki fight is going to happen right after the JD stuff.

I think at the very least they need the kiss because of the fact its Asia centric the three legged race was the cataylst but i'll say this we'll know a lot about this whole volume after this week. Best believe i'll be watching this week not only with an eye on this week but how it connects to the stuff afterwards.
(thats one of the reasons i was worried because if nothing else vol 6 requires the pacing to be done brilliantly in order to be done right).

GDB
2015-05-04, 17:25
Why not watch it to enjoy it rather than to meticulously pick it apart looking for anything to nitpick about?

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-04, 17:34
I can do that as long as JD stays epic and they don't downplay Asia's role in this arc too much.

KnightShade
2015-05-04, 19:29
I can do that as long as JD stays epic and they don't downplay Asia's role in this arc too much.

be honest, no way is that happening with editor-chan at the helm. asia's moment will be just fine. i'm still trying to figure out how the final fight with loki will work.

DOmus
2015-05-04, 19:57
Why not watch it to enjoy it rather than to meticulously pick it apart looking for anything to nitpick about?

Its bad to desire something "good" from a serie that you like? I dont know if you just accept whatever it comes, but at least I do have some standars to how it is done, even when it doesnt matters to the studio :heh:

RDNexus
2015-05-04, 20:04
The problem is, you can rant all you want, at the end of the day those rants will be worth nothing because, most likely, you don't contribute anything to those studios, by buying any of their products...

I understand you, I seriously do... But GDB is also right in his statement... It's complicated... :upset:

DOmus
2015-05-04, 20:08
The problem is, you can rant all you want, at the end of the day those rants will be worth nothing because, most likely, you don't contribute anything to those studios, by buying any of their products...

I understand you, I seriously do... But GDB is also right in his statement... It's complicated... :upset:

Well, to clarify, I do buy if I like what is being done, and Im sure that I wont get the volumes of the currents episodes so far. And as I said in my comment, it doesnt matter to them at the end of the day, but that wont change my opinion.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-04, 20:46
Why not watch it to enjoy it rather than to meticulously pick it apart looking for anything to nitpick about?

unfortunately you've missed a rather huge part of this at least in my case. I do watch it to enjoy it but by the end i've also picked it apart because some things are just plain bad. In some cases there are so many complaints because i've literally not enjoyed myself.

Archilla
2015-05-04, 21:28
unfortunately you've missed a rather huge part of this at least in my case. I do watch it to enjoy it but by the end i've also picked it apart because some things are just plain bad. In some cases there are so many complaints because i've literally not enjoyed myself.

If at any time watching an episode of DxD the LN/Anime comparisons or decisions TNK has made to adapt the anime make you so upset you're stopped enjoying it, you're doing it wrong.

I love this series as much as the next person here, but c'mon man, you might be overdoing it.

Biohazardous
2015-05-05, 08:29
Is it Saturday yet? :p

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-05, 08:31
If at any time watching an episode of DxD the LN/Anime comparisons or decisions TNK has made to adapt the anime make you so upset you're stopped enjoying it, you're doing it wrong.

I love this series as much as the next person here, but c'mon man, you might be overdoing it.

So you blame the viewer if the anime they love has bad moments yea that makes a load of sense to me.

Archilla
2015-05-05, 08:42
So you blame the viewer if the anime they love has bad moments yea that makes a load of sense to me.

Nah man I just mean if you're putting that much emphasis on comparing it to the LNs and needing it to be perfect, you're gonna miss out on the only part of the show that really matters: having a fun time and enjoying yourself while you're watching it.

Edit: To clarify, I was speaking under the assumption that you "literally not enjoying yourself" meant leaving the episode upset that you watched it. I don't mean you can't dislike certain scenes and such.

RDNexus
2015-05-05, 08:58
It's Imperial's beloved DxD, there's no way he wouldn't let this adaption (so far) pass him by without him having to state his feelings about it...

But this only goes to show that only a small myriad of stories do manage to get quite good adaptions, while all the others end up suffering in some way that'll displease those who follow the source material...

Gary29
2015-05-05, 09:01
Even if the first half of this season hasn't been perfect, the second half certainly could. A faithful adaptation of v6 means we probably get to see the scene where Xenovia kisses Ise, which IMO would make up for the rushed resolution of Akeno's story (since people seem to have gotten the point that Ise would've refused having sex with her).

And there's JD. Beautifully horrific JD.

Archilla
2015-05-05, 09:08
And there's JD. Beautifully horrific JD.

"Wow, what a wuss. I could barely even keep up I was kicking his ass so fast."

"Well, you did start eating him. Which, again, ICK!"

"Well I'm sorry, Rias. It's a rampage."

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-05, 09:11
Even if the first half of this season hasn't been perfect, the second half certainly could. A faithful adaptation of v6 means we probably get to see the scene where Xenovia kisses Ise, which IMO would make up for the rushed resolution of Akeno's story (since people seem to have gotten the point that Ise would've refused having sex with her).

And there's JD. Beautifully horrific JD.

Asia's Volume being adapted properly already makes this Season a 9/10. And if they do what some people are predicting and make a Brainwashed!Ise in JD VS Vali in JD as the Finale it'll be 20/10.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-05, 10:12
Even if the first half of this season hasn't been perfect, the second half certainly could. A faithful adaptation of v6 means we probably get to see the scene where Asia kisses Ise, which IMO would make up for the rushed resolution of Akeno's story (since people seem to have gotten the point that Ise would've refused having sex with her).

And there's JD. Beautifully horrific JD.

corrected that for you. Yes if they do 6 well that can make it better.


"Wow, what a wuss. I could barely even keep up I was kicking his ass so fast."

"Well, you did start eating him. Which, again, ICK!"

"Well I'm sorry, Rias. It's a rampage."

Its not quite that simple.

Issei you freaked out quite a bit because of Asia dying what would u do if that was me

uhh Buchou i dont know.

Rias: Issei calling me Buchou you... MADE THE WRONG CHOICE

Rias: Now you get to see my juggernaut drive...

Issei: And i thought my last girlfriend killing me would be painful.


If they adapt Asia's volume properly it'll jump it. Admittedly for my final rating i'll probably just take the ratings i've used for the invidual episodes add them up and go from there. Depending on how they handle the last Loki fight it may also jump it big time.

Biohazardous
2015-05-05, 10:24
Lol Rias JD :p

Gary29
2015-05-05, 10:56
corrected that for you. Yes if they do 6 well that can make it better.




Its not quite that simple.

Issei you freaked out quite a bit because of Asia dying what would u do if that was me

uhh Buchou i dont know.

Rias: Issei calling me Buchou you... MADE THE WRONG CHOICE

Rias: Now you get to see my juggernaut drive...

Issei: And i thought my last girlfriend killing me would be painful.


If they adapt Asia's volume properly it'll jump it. Admittedly for my final rating i'll probably just take the ratings i've used for the invidual episodes add them up and go from there. Depending on how they handle the last Loki fight it may also jump it big time.

No no no, Xenovia > Asia :heh:

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-05, 11:01
No no no, Xenovia < Asia :heh:

FIFY

I wonder if Freed will be kept there. That fucker deserves his ending.
I just realized this recently, but a positive point of the rearrengement is that Rias and Akeno won't start a pety fight while their friend was kidnapped by a rapist.
So yeah +1 for TNK's idea.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-05, 11:06
No no no, Xenovia > Asia :heh:

make no mistake xenovia is one of my favorite characters but Asia is the one who gets vol 6 issei kiss.

Gary29
2015-05-05, 12:09
FIFY

I wonder if Freed will be kept there.
I just realized this recently, but a positive point of the rearrengement is that Rias and Akeno won't start a pety fight while their friend was kidnapped by a rapist.
So yeah +1 for TNK's idea.

Let's just say v19 Irina is superior to both and call it a day. :heh:

I hope so, it shows Kiba's improvement from his training and serves as the catalyst to revealing Diodora's true intentions.

B-But I loved that scene... it's the same level of comedy as Crom Cruach assuming Fafnir wants to go swimming!

make no mistake xenovia is one of my favorite characters but Asia is the one who gets vol 6 issei kiss.

“Somehow, talking to you made the nervousness inside me disappear.”
Xenovia approaches me who was sitting down and….
Chu.
She kissed me on the cheek! Uoooooooo! I was shocked at the sudden thing! A kiss in the cheek huh!
“It’s my gift to you. Should I give it to your lips next? Fufufu. Then I will be resting for today now.”
Xenovia leaves after saying that. I could only touch my cheek for the sudden kiss she gave me.

I meant that one.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-05, 12:10
Let's just say v19 Irina is superior to both and call it a day. :heh:

I hope so, it shows Kiba's improvement from his training and serves as the catalyst to revealing Diodora's true intentions.





I meant that one.

ah thats fine. I cant say vol 19 Irina is superior until i read it but no matter.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-05, 12:17
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B-But I loved that scene... it's the same level of comedy as Crom Cruach assuming Fafnir wants to go swimming!.

It was funny, but the situation made it cringe-worthy. Your friend was kidnapped by a rapist asshole and you waste time fighting the same way you do everyday? I seriously wanted to slap Rias and Akeno right then.

G147
2015-05-05, 20:33
It was funny, but the situation made it cringe-worthy. Your friend was kidnapped by a rapist asshole and you waste time fighting the same way you do everyday? I seriously wanted to slap Rias and Akeno right then.

Technically that was Koneko's fault, she did purposely tell Issei to ask Akeno out on a date which led to those two arguing. But you can consider their opponent more pitiable, they had to endure the full blast of their rage. :heh:

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-05, 20:51
Technically that was Koneko's fault, she did purposely tell Issei to ask Akeno out on a date which led to those two arguing. But you can consider their opponent more pitiable, they had to endure the full blast of their rage. :heh:

Actually they were arguing, and Koneko told Ise to ask Akeno in a date in exchange of her beating the opponents so that she would hurry and get over with it. At least that's what I remember, could be wrong. I pity Asia, since it seems her beloved "older sister" cares more about fighting with Akeno than to help her.

KnightShade
2015-05-05, 21:04
Actually they were arguing, and Koneko told Ise to ask Akeno in a date in exchange of her beating the opponents so that she would hurry and get over with it. At least that's what I remember, could be wrong. I pity Asia, since it seems her beloved "older sister" cares more about fighting with Akeno than to help her.

oh c'mon, don't be so over dramatic. being distracted hardly equates to not caring about someone. if that were the case, issei is a heartless bastard going by this sentiment

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-05, 21:10
oh c'mon, don't be so over dramatic. being distracted hardly equates to not caring about someone. if that were the case, issei is a heartless bastard going by this sentiment
I was being kind of sarcastic there.

My point is, fighting with Akeno and the others over Ise's attention and time happens pretty much almost every day, and Asia was just kidnapped by a rapist. Ignoring Akeno for a moment wouldn't hurt at all.

KnightShade
2015-05-05, 21:15
I was being kind of sarcastic there.

My point is, fighting with Akeno and the others over Ise's attention and time happens pretty much almost every day, and Asia was just kidnapped by a rapist. Ignoring Akeno for a moment wouldn't hurt at all.

well that's kind of hard to tell considering this isnt first time you have said something along these lines regarding the subject, but yeah i agree rias should have been more attentive in that moment. it was clear that she too had some maturing to do at that point.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-05, 21:21
well that's kind of hard to tell considering this isnt first time you have said something along these lines regarding the subject, but yeah i agree rias should have been more attentive in that moment. it was clear that she too had some maturing to do at that point.

I try to be sarcastic or snarky at least in one sentence of every comment I make. Don't take me too seriously. :p

G147
2015-05-05, 21:38
Actually they were arguing, and Koneko told Ise to ask Akeno in a date in exchange of her beating the opponents so that she would hurry and get over with it. At least that's what I remember, could be wrong. I pity Asia, since it seems her beloved "older sister" cares more about fighting with Akeno than to help her.

Akeno offered herself for the fight so did Rias, and Akeno just said that only her would be sufficient but Rias says it's best to reduce the risk. It was then that Koneko came out with the date suggestion and the two of them start arguing/bickering.

I don't even know how you considered the first part arguing since they were just discussing their strategy.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-05, 21:43
Akeno offered herself for the fight so did Rias, and Akeno just said that only her would be sufficient but Rias says it's best to reduce the risk. It was then that Koneko came out with the date suggestion and the two of them start arguing/bickering.

I don't even know how you considered the first part arguing since they were just discussing their strategy.

That's what the "At least that's what I remember, could be wrong." refers to. I haven't read Volume 6 in about a year and my memory isn't right half the time.

KingIsseisPawn69B
2015-05-06, 02:32
Sup guys?

After last weeks... (Is abomination strong enough?)
I finally decided to create an account.
I read most of the light novels about a month ago.

All that being said I have a couple of comments.

This season has had a lot of complaints like; appearing to eliminate the Sitri/Gremory RG, bastardizing AKeno's daddy issues (at the very least they shouldn't've been resolved the same episode they were introduced), not really explaining what was going on with Loki and why they had to send the people they did, and a host of other things. I understand they wanted/needed to adapt LN 9 and 10, as well as 11 and 12, together. I also do not currently have a problem with them eviscerating LNs 5 and 7. But...

If you were in TNKs shoes what would you have done?

I would've adapted LN 5 and 6, either extending certain scenes and/or introducing stories from LNs 8 and I think 13 (or if that proved to difficult, adapting parts of 15 and have flashback episodes of say Akeno and Kiba, though if memory serves they could conceivably have put the magical girl story), and made LN 7 into a movie.

As for the current discussion about Akeno and Asia...

Akeno is a major character who deserved a helluva lot more respect than she's been given this season. Honestly, I am not sure how they're going to have her character recover from the extremely poor resolution to her daddy issues. Watching the episode multiple times (ignoring the LN) it felt as though her issues with her dad weren't nearly as big/impactful as they should've been.

I can't really comment on Rias and Akeno fighting, given that that 'fight' was eclipsed by basically everything that came after it. Even supposedly perfect people make mistakes, thankfully Ishibumi doesn't make many.

I apologize if my question about how people would've done this season is in the wrong thread. I am new here and given that it has LN vs Anime comparisons I figured this was more appropriate than opening a new thread.

On a positive note, it is almost impossible for them to screw up LN 10 assuming DxD gets a season 4.

Royalknightftw
2015-05-06, 03:43
@King
I would have done the same thing, only animating Vol5-6 OR if they are so desperate to animate vol9-10 in season 4, it would have been better if they decided to go along with 4/5 episodes per volume( vol 5=5 episodes, vol6=3 episodes, and vol 7=4episodes) instead of mixing and adding some anime original material like what they are doing right now.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-06, 04:48
@King
I would have done the same thing, only animating Vol5-6 OR if they are so desperate to animate vol9-10 in season 4, it would have been better if they decided to go along with 4/5 episodes per volume( vol 5=5 episodes, vol6=3 episodes, and vol 7=4episodes) instead of mixing and adding some anime original material like what they are doing right now.

Royal they really cant do vol 6 in 3 episodes my friend.

Royalknightftw
2015-05-06, 05:02
Royal they really cant do vol 6 in 3 episodes my friend.

Actually they can, Vol 6 is battle centric and some character progressions (Asia slapping diodora's face and teensy bit info) thus makes me believe that it's possible.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-06, 05:04
Actually they can, Vol 6 is battle centric and some character progressions (Asia slapping diodora's face and teensy bit info) thus makes me believe that it's possible.

let me rephrase it. They can do it in vol 6 but to do it right you need 4.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-06, 05:33
We don't know the limitations of TNK staff, so saying something like "Oh, I'd have done Volumes X-W into a 2 cour and Y into a movie" is a completely empty statement. They never did anything more than 1 cour seasons and OVAs as far as I know.

To keep the pace of S4 as V9-V10, they could have done BorN with V5-V6 and V7 in OVAs, but then it'd take years for us to get a S4, since OVAs normally have months in-between episodes. So, yeah, This was the best we could get coming from TNK.

Gary29
2015-05-06, 08:29
You know what I would've done? "Better" anime-original content. :heh:

I have no problem with their intentions for this season, but I have a couple issues with how they were executed. Dialogue needs a revamp, and they needed to re-structure how they pulled off Issei and Akeno's development and save the majority of the ecchi for the second half.

It's still gonna get a solid 8.5/10 from me if they perfect v6, but that's only because of the second-half.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-06, 08:45
Yea i have to agree my complaints isnt as much the changes as the fact it seemed poorly managed. Akeno's plot with her father was handled poorly. I mean one episode we have Rias crying because Akeno seems to have accepted her past next she hates him again. The fact u have raynare appear episode 1 and not be addressed again. The training arc was too fast and the fact that they addressed the whole group is fine but they could've at least made it seem long like the one before Raisers fight. The ball they looked fine but it feels like it was one of those things that was just there.
The second Loki fight to me is the worst part of it all. First off for me to believe that Sirzechs would send his little sister and her peerage to fight Loki seems incredibly naive especially considering beelzebub had to seal him away. Fenrir was made to look far too weak and although vali's group was involved the strike and run style to me was a bit foolish.
The one part that i think i have a big problem is lies in Saji. Now i know with the 5 gears he was strong but you're gonna have a hard time convincing me that with just one he could actually restrict Loki period instead of with all 5. Rias reaction to issei's death made the end of the last episode and for her to just mellow so easily was kinda lame.

Now with a good volume 6 will it improve my belief yes but the fact that Loki's situation isnt resolved has me very worried.

My current rating for the first 5 is 5.5 out of 10.

Seafoam
2015-05-06, 08:57
I guess it helps greatly that Volume 6 is easily the best of the 3 being done this season.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-06, 09:22
I guess it helps greatly that Volume 6 is easily the best of the 3 being done this season.

Now thats not quite true. Vol 6 isnt the best of the 3. Volume 6 has the best moments of the 3 but if they're done right vol 7 and 5 are better OVERALL volumes.

From an anime perspective Vol 6 has the best moments i mean you have Diodora's beatdown after revealing the truth about Asia and her status. you have what happened with the restraints and how just before she disappeared she nearly had her power turned against him. After she disappears JD which as many agree is a Top 3 moment in this series most would say number 2.
Vol 6 basically has the diodora fight and thats it. And in truth thats not much of a fight. What happens after the fight is pretty much what makes vol 6 good.

Volume 5 has multiple solid moments and vol 7 also has quite a lot of great moments IF ITS DONE RIGHT. Which IMO with the changes ruined it.

Seafoam
2015-05-06, 09:26
Now thats not quite true. Vol 6 isnt the best of the 3. Volume 6 has the best moments of the 3 but if they're done right vol 7 and 5 are better OVERALL volumes.

From an anime perspective Vol 6 has the best moments i mean you have Diodora's beatdown after revealing the truth about Asia and her status. you have what happened with the restraints and how just before she disappeared she nearly had her power turned against him. After she disappears JD which as many agree is a Top 3 moment in this series most would say number 2.
Vol 6 basically has the diodora fight and thats it. And in truth thats not much of a fight. What happens after the fight is pretty much what makes vol 6 good.

Volume 5 has multiple solid moments and vol 7 also has quite a lot of great moments IF ITS DONE RIGHT. Which IMO with the changes ruined it.

I don't know about that. 5 was basically set up for the rest of the arc and upcoming one, and 7 was just pretty random and out of nowhere except for the Hero Faction fight. 6 just had the better pacing of them and flows together the best imo.

Gary29
2015-05-06, 09:27
Ophis-chan makes volume 6 the best volume of the 3. Great Red too. :heh:

Biohazardous
2015-05-06, 09:29
I like Ophis too she is awesome. Hopefully we get more of her. :)

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-06, 10:07
I don't know about that. 5 was basically set up for the rest of the arc and upcoming one, and 7 was just pretty random and out of nowhere except for the Hero Faction fight. 6 just had the better pacing of them and flows together the best imo.

thats fine its your opinion.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-06, 10:13
Volume 5 better than 6? Maybe. Volume 7? No way in hell. Like Obey Pyro said it was really random. Loki appeared out of nowhere and just went out in a comic-relief way to never matter to the story again, his actions didn't have any consequences either aside from Chichigami being introduced. Fenrir was supposedly as strong as Ddraig in his prime with his Fangs that kill Gods, and yet he couldn't kill one single enemy. It has the worst "main fight" in the series by far.
The only really good parts were the "Ketsuryuukou" bit, the heroines stalking Ise and Akeno in their date, Ise hugging Akeno and comforing her, and the Seirei of Oppai helping Ise lift Mjolnir.

Gary29
2015-05-06, 10:22
Volume 5 better than 6? Maybe. Volume 7? No way in hell. Like Obey Pyro said it was really random. Loki appeared out of nowhere and just went out in a comic-relief way to never matter to the story again, his actions didn't have any consequences either aside from Chichigami being introduced. Fenrir was supposedly as strong as Ddraig in his prime with his Fangs that kill Gods, and yet he couldn't kill one single enemy. It has the worst "main fight" in the series by far.
The only really good parts were the "Ketsuryuukou" bit, the heroines stalking Ise and Akeno in their date, Ise hugging Akeno and comforing her, and the Seirei of Oppai helping Ise lift Mjolnir.

I'm not so sure about that. I always thought the only reason Fenrir was in the top 10 was because of his God-killing fangs coupled with his insane speed. Sort of like a Longinus.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-06, 10:34
I'm not so sure about that. I always thought the only reason Fenrir was in the top 10 was because of his God-killing fangs coupled with his insane speed. Sort of like a Longinus.

Hm, no, my memory sucks, but I remember they mentioning Fenrir being as strong as a Heavenly Dragon in his prime.

@EDIT: Just checked the "History" section of his page in the wikia, and yes, he's said to be on par with the Heavenly Dragons.

G147
2015-05-06, 10:45
Volume 5 better than 6? Maybe. Volume 7? No way in hell. Like Obey Pyro said it was really random. Loki appeared out of nowhere and just went out in a comic-relief way to never matter to the story again, his actions didn't have any consequences either aside from Chichigami being introduced. Fenrir was supposedly as strong as Ddraig in his prime with his Fangs that kill Gods, and yet he couldn't kill one single enemy. It has the worst "main fight" in the series by far.
The only really good parts were the "Ketsuryuukou" bit, the heroines stalking Ise and Akeno in their date, Ise hugging Akeno and comforing her, and the Seirei of Oppai helping Ise lift Mjolnir.

Actually Volume 6 is the weakest volume among the 3 in terms of plot-wise. The only reason it didn't feel that way was because of the JD.

But in truth Volume 6 spend around 1/3 of the book over Asia's "worry". Plus there was barely any threat in that Volume, the enemies in that volume was much weaker than the ones in Volume 7. Diodora's part of the plot is relevant, but Shalba and Creuserey appearance felt very much like it was forced. Especially Shalba's appearance, it became meaningless the moment Asia didn't die, he was introduced like he was supposed to be a threat yet he's just an useless addition, in truth i seriously feel that Shalba's introduction is the most meaningless one up to date.

At least in Volume 5, there was a proper exposure for Sona and her team, in Volume 7, there's the interaction with the Vali Team. But in Volume 6 the plot is made in a way where it revolves solely on Asia which in turn made it felt too forced.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-06, 11:04
Actually Volume 6 is the weakest volume among the 3 in terms of plot-wise. The only reason it didn't feel that way was because of the JD.

But in truth Volume 6 spend around 1/3 of the book over Asia's "worry". Plus there was barely any threat in that Volume, the enemies in that volume was much weaker than the ones in Volume 7. Diodora's part of the plot is relevant, but Shalba and Creuserey appearance felt very much like it was forced. Especially Shalba's appearance, it became meaningless the moment Asia didn't die, he was introduced like he was supposed to be a threat yet he's just an useless addition, in truth i seriously feel that Shalba's introduction is the most meaningless one up to date.

At least in Volume 5, there was a proper exposure for Sona and her team, in Volume 7, there's the interaction with the Vali Team. But in Volume 6 the plot is made in a way where it revolves solely on Asia which in turn made it felt too forced.
I love Asia, so I'm all for it focusing on her. :p

And Loki was much more meaningless than Shalba. At least Shalba served to show how strong an incomplete JD is and then came back later unlike Loki who was irrelevant even in Volume 7, hell, he was beaten with a comic-relief plot device and necer showed up again. I think he was barely mentioned as something important later on. And Shalba actually did something that had heavy consequences and "killed" Ise, which provided us with the most depressing Volumes in this series.

Creuserey was curbstomped by Sirzechs, which was good to show he wasn't useless. So, still better than Loki.

Comedy-wise it's also far better, Oppai Dragon Song >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seirei of Oppai.

Archilla
2015-05-06, 11:15
To add my two cents, I could never shake the feeling that Volume 7 felt like an anime filler arc. Decent character development, but crappy villain, little conequences, uninspired fights, and as other have said, Loki gets KO'd like it's freaking To-Love Ru.

Gary29
2015-05-06, 11:17
I love Asia, so I'm all for it focusing on her. :p

And Loki was much more meaningless than Shalba. At least Shalba served to show how strong an incomplete JD is and then came back later unlike Loki who was irrelevant even in Volume 7, hell, he was beaten with a comic-relief plot device. At least Shalba actually did something that had heavy consequences.

Creuserey was curbstomped by Sirzechs, which was good to show he wasn't useless. So, still better than Loki.

For the sake of fairness, while Shalba was the catalyst for JD, Ise's death and subsequent new body, Ise becoming the Hero of the Underworld, as well as being the indirect catalyst for Triana and CCQ, Loki's comedic defeat is the ENTIRE reason for Qlippoth's existence, as well as the catalyst for Fenrir's capture (and subsequently, the Le Fay-Fenrir team and Xenovia's complete Ex-Durandal) and Rossweisse joining the Gremory group. Shalba was useless trash that could never catch a break, but Loki was at least threatening.

G147
2015-05-06, 11:25
I love Asia, so I'm all for it focusing on her. :p

And Loki was much more meaningless than Shalba. At least Shalba served to show how strong an incomplete JD is and then came back later unlike Loki who was irrelevant even in Volume 7, hell, he was beaten with a comic-relief plot device and necer showed up again. I think he was barely mentioned as something important later on. And Shalba actually did something that had heavy consequences and "killed" Ise, which provided us with the most depressing Volumes in this series.

Creuserey was curbstomped by Sirzechs, which was good to show he wasn't useless. So, still better than Loki.

Comedy-wise it's also far better, Oppai Dragon Song >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seirei of Oppai.

I like Asia too, but to me the Volume 6 plot is too forced. In Volume 5 & 7 it gives exposure to other characters, and actually shows interaction between characters but in Volume 6, it was like entirely revolving around Asia and doesn't give much exposure to others, to me it's a bad attempt to try and develop Asia at the cost of making many characters irrelevant in the process.

For the sake of fairness, while Shalba was the catalyst for JD, Ise's death and subsequent new body, Ise becoming the Hero of the Underworld, as well as being the indirect catalyst for Triana and CCQ, Loki's comedic defeat is the ENTIRE reason for Qlippoth's existence, as well as the catalyst for Fenrir's capture (and subsequently, the Le Fay-Fenrir team and Xenovia's complete Ex-Durandal) and Rossweisse joining the Gremory group. Shalba was useless trash that could never catch a break, but Loki was at least threatening.

Agree with everything Gary is saying here.

KingIsseisPawn69B
2015-05-06, 11:47
The fact that most of 7 was comedic relief and that, aside from Fenrir, none of the villains ever showed up again (yet, for all we know Rizevim could revive Loki can't he? Make him stronger with the HG?), is why it'd be perfect for a film. The only issue really with making it into a film would be time. it'd have to be something they prepared for.

Honestly, I think they should've spent more time thinking about how they wanted this season to go, instead of tunnel-visioning LN 9 and 10. Thanks to that there's a small chance we wont get a season 4... who am I kidding. We'll get a season 4, but after this fiasco, I have very little faith in TNK.

Then again I could forgive a lot if the final episodes have the Sitri game. Given the speed of things they could/probably did make it an episode. Maybe they'll give it to us a few days story wise before the match with that... I wouldn't have an issue with them having that fight be even half an episode at this point considering they already did most of the development for it.
If memory serves aren't the only real important parts to that fight the following (which they could still do):
Gasper getting taken out
Issei and Koneko vs Nimura (I think it was her) and Saji
Xenovia getting beat, leaving Durandal to Kiba
Issei getting drained and using Bilingual to out Sona's plan
Issei getting eliminated inspiring Akeno (she doesn't say the power she hates anymore since apparently she didn't hate it that much which is why she was able to solve all her big daddy issues in not even 1 damn episode), Koneko, and Rias to pwn them before heading to the roof to pwn Sona.

I could see this coming in episode 7 with that ending with the diodora match up announced which would take place episode 9.

SOmething to this effect is the only way I see saving this season. Yes JD will probably be epic, but 1 epic moment doesnt save an entire season. It doesn't replace 4 horrific episodes. I think episode 1 was good and the reference to Raynare made it clear that she was still present in Issei's mind to those who somehow forgot about her. Imperial, i personally don't think its necessary to hammer the idea he's still thinking about her. That one scene did that, and it explained to the anime only watchers why events in LN 10 are so epic.

Now, episodes 2-5 IMO were at best 4.5/10. Because I read the LN's I have them at this rating. If I hadn't... I probably would have the rating somewhere around 6.9/10 largely due to the bastardization of AKeno's arc.

Tbolt
2015-05-06, 12:00
Loki is not dead he is sealed away.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-06, 12:01
For the sake of fairness, while Shalba was the catalyst for JD, Ise's death and subsequent new body, Ise becoming the Hero of the Underworld, as well as being the indirect catalyst for Triana and CCQ, Loki's comedic defeat is the ENTIRE reason for Qlippoth's existence, as well as the catalyst for Fenrir's capture (and subsequently, the Le Fay-Fenrir team and Xenovia's complete Ex-Durandal) and Rossweisse joining the Gremory group. Shalba was useless trash that could never catch a break, but Loki was at least threatening.
Any sense of threat he had went out the window the moment he was defeated that way. Rizevim could unseal and buff him with the Holy Grail, and I'd just be thinking "Oh, it's the thousands-year old guy who was defeated by a 17 year-old weakling with the power of the Breast God."

Shalba at least went out in a serious and slightly respectable manner, with a Crimson Blaster to the face. As a cliché cartoon villain. But a serious villain nonetheless.

@G147: Volume 6 also developed Ise with Xenovia, so I don't know about that "only focused on Asia" you're talking about. Rias also had some, since she and Asia started a "sisters" kind of relationship after that.

KingIsseisPawn69B
2015-05-06, 12:10
Loki is not dead he is sealed away.

My bad. Rereading LN 6 now. For some reason I thought he was killed. Oh well. Even so, Rizevim could unseal him for the sheer chaos to buy enough time to unseal 666, or distract a great many people. Hey, if Naruto can basically make Madara a pawn, DxD can, and actually has, make Loki a pawn in someone else's game.

You don't have to take him seriously. You just have to understand his potential impact. Then again, there's the possibility that Rizevim isn't reviving him because he couldn't control Loki. Regardless, Loki was a big villain, just because he failed doesn't mean a thing. After whats happened in the anime I highly doubt we'll ever see him again. The only thing more insulting then what happened to Loki was what happened to Akeno. Having her issues solved that quickly damn near killed the character for the near future (Maybe I'll change my mind in 2 months when the season's done, but now...).

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-06, 12:20
My bad. Rereading LN 6 now. For some reason I thought he was killed. Oh well. Even so, Rizevim could unseal him for the sheer chaos to buy enough time to unseal 666, or distract a great many people. Hey, if Naruto can basically make Madara a pawn, DxD can, and actually has, make Loki a pawn in someone else's game.

You don't have to take him seriously. You just have to understand his potential impact. Then again, there's the possibility that Rizevim isn't reviving him because he couldn't control Loki. Regardless, Loki was a big villain, just because he failed doesn't mean a thing. After whats happened in the anime I highly doubt we'll ever see him again. The only thing more insulting then what happened to Loki was what happened to Akeno. Having her issues solved that quickly damn near killed the character for the near future (Maybe I'll change my mind in 2 months when the season's done, but now...).

Rizevim is a Super Devil while Loki isn't even in the Top 10. He could make Loki his bitch if he wanted to.

A big vilain doesn't disappear in the same Volume they're introduced and is never mentioned again. Loki was a joke. His role in the anime also isn't done, if that curse of his comes to be more than just the typical "Damn you for defeating me!" He'll have been more important than his LN counterpart ever was.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-06, 12:48
Rizevim is a Super Devil while Loki isn't even in the Top 10. He could make Loki his bitch if he wanted to.

A big vilain doesn't disappear in the same Volume they're introduced and is never mentioned again. Loki was a joke. His role in the anime also isn't done, if that curse of his comes to be more than just the typical "Damn you for defeating me!" He'll have been more important than his LN counterpart ever was.

I get where you're looking at it but look at it this way.

Shalba got beaten because Issei went berserk and even then he was still alive. Thats cool and good but here's what makes Loki more interesting from a bad guy perspective.
In order to beat Loki you needed
1. Issei and vali to team up
2. To summon another heavenly dragon king and get some legendary chain to beat FENRIR
3. To beat Loki they needed to get a legendary hammer that belongs to a god.
4. Even once u had the hammer you need bilingual and a legendary god from another world just so issei could use it.

the thing about Rizelvims group thats interesting is that the loki volume and the APPEARANCE of the breast God gave him his motivation so Vol 7 had a larger role.

Vol 6 you had Diodora and his thing. Unfortunately Juggernaut Drive did a huge impact on vol 6 and thats what made this volume.

Vol 7 the ending was ridiculous but it should say that it took all that just to beat Loki.

Biohazardous
2015-05-06, 12:52
King too many complications to try and do the rating game now since they changed things.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-06, 13:02
Okay people wonder why i'm so annoyed so do this. Re-read volumes 5 and 7 (the actual volumes) and tell me what would've happened if the anime had followed 5 and 7 accurately instead of fusing 5 and 7 together. That is my complaint 5 and 7 were fused together. But vol 7 as a stand-alone volume is superior to 6. Yes JD and OD song are great but thats about it. Only after you've re-read it an

Seafoam
2015-05-06, 13:19
I get where you're looking at it but look at it this way.

Shalba got beaten because Issei went berserk and even then he was still alive. Thats cool and good but here's what makes Loki more interesting from a bad guy perspective.
In order to beat Loki you needed
1. Issei and vali to team up
2. To summon another heavenly dragon king and get some legendary chain to beat FENRIR
3. To beat Loki they needed to get a legendary hammer that belongs to a god.
4. Even once u had the hammer you need bilingual and a legendary god from another world just so issei could use it.

the thing about Rizelvims group thats interesting is that the loki volume and the APPEARANCE of the breast God gave him his motivation so Vol 7 had a larger role.

Vol 6 you had Diodora and his thing. Unfortunately Juggernaut Drive did a huge impact on vol 6 and thats what made this volume.

Vol 7 the ending was ridiculous but it should say that it took all that just to beat Loki.

This is actually very true. Loki isn't really a joke, rather he was unlucky on a level which we've never seen before. Being Loki is suffering :heh:

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-06, 13:19
I get where you're looking at it but look at it this way.

Shalba got beaten because Issei went berserk and even then he was still alive. Thats cool and good but here's what makes Loki more interesting from a bad guy perspective.
In order to beat Loki you needed
1. Issei and vali to team up
2. To summon another heavenly dragon king and get some legendary chain to beat FENRIR
3. To beat Loki they needed to get a legendary hammer that belongs to a god.
4. Even once u had the hammer you need bilingual and a legendary god from another world just so issei could use it.

the thing about Rizelvims group thats interesting is that the loki volume and the APPEARANCE of the breast God gave him his motivation so Vol 7 had a larger role.

Vol 6 you had Diodora and his thing. Unfortunately Juggernaut Drive did a huge impact on vol 6 and thats what made this volume.

Vol 7 the ending was ridiculous but it should say that it took all that just to beat Loki.
A replica of a legendary hammer that belongs to a god.
And about Loki, let me clear something up you seem to have misuderstood. HE WAS A THREAT! But then got beaten with a completely comic-relief way in the same Volume he was introduced and never mentioned again. It was funny, yes. I liked the scene, yes. But Loki turned into an utter joke, any sense of threat he had was gone the moment he waited for Ise to finish the conversation with Akeno and Barakiel and he was one-shotted by the power of a Breast Seirei.

Shalba was vital for Ise's power ups, so even if he was weaker, he was far more important to the story than Loki.

I'll try to make it simple:

If Loki never attacked, The story would either have ended in V12 or Ishibumi would think of something else, since the Qlippoth was something he didn't know he'd use until it was too late. Fenrir wouldn't be in Vali's team, and he wouldn't have been named Ketsuryuukou (Or Azazel could name him that, he raised the kid for a few years after all, wouldn't be weird for him to know that) but that's it for differences.

If Shalba never appeared, Ise wouldn't have had any of his power-ups and would have died in Kyoto together with the others who where there with him.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-06, 13:24
A replica of a legendary hammer that belongs to a god.
And about Loki, let me clear something up you seem to have misuderstood. HE WAS A THREAT! But then got beaten with a completely comic-relief way in the same Volume he was introduced and never mentioned again. It was funny, yes. I liked the scene, yes. But Loki turned into an utter joke, any sense of threat he had was gone the moment he waited for Ise to finish the conversation with Akeno and Barakiel and he was one-shotted by the power of a Breast Seirei.

Shalba was vital for Ise's power ups, so even if he was weaker, he was far more important to the story than Loki.

I'll try to make it simple:

If Loki never attacked, The story would either have ended in V12 or Ishibumi would think of something else, since the Qlippoth was something he didn't know he'd use until it was too late. Fenrir wouldn't be in Vali's team, and he wouldn't have been named Ketsuryuukou (Or Azazel could name him that, he raised the kid for a few years after all, wouldn't be weird for him to know that) but that's it for differences.

If Shalba never appeared, Ise wouldn't have had any of his power-ups and would have died in Kyoto together with the others who where there with him.
Look we can both agree that the ending was a bit ridiculous but lets face it not the first time in anime that u've had an opponent so powerful that you need a completely ridiculous reason to kill him. The two heavenly dragons who have been fighting since the beginning of time worked together and still couldnt beat Loki even without Fenrir. True the ending of vol 6 is vastly inferior but Overall vol 7 is better. Re-read volume 7 and think about everything that happened and just as importantly what the anime SCREWED UP by fusing it with 5. (granted 5 is pretty weak as a stand-alone

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-06, 13:41
Look we can both agree that the ending was a bit ridiculous but lets face it not the first time in anime that u've had an opponent so powerful that you need a completely ridiculous reason to kill him. The two heavenly dragons who have been fighting since the beginning of time worked together and still couldnt beat Loki even without Fenrir. True the ending of vol 6 is vastly inferior but Overall vol 7 is better. Re-read volume 7 and think about everything that happened and just as importantly what the anime SCREWED UP by fusing it with 5. (granted 5 is pretty weak as a stand-alone

They didn't finish adapting V7 so saying they screwed it up completely is unfair.

No, 7 isn't better. To me at least, like I said it felt too random.

V6 brought up things that were foreshadowed in Volume's 1 with the reason Asia was banished, and it served to show how Rias's group was compared to another Young Devil without any rules to get in the way. It also showed a lot of power levels that weren't shown until then like Sirzechs beating Creuzerey easily or Odin yolosoloing those High-Class Devils form the Old Mao Faction. It also showed the reason Ophis accepted helping Chaos Brigade in the first place, besides introducing the Oppai Dragon aspect which is one of the major aspects of the series.

V7 felt like the Ishibumi wanted to focus in Akeno's story, but since there can't be a Volume without a big fight and he didn't want to use any of the known enemies or introduce the Hero Faction just yet, he choose some random villain to have the fight and never appear again.

Not really surprising they teamed up. Ise doesn't give half a shit about the fate of the Heavenly Dragons, he wants a peaceful life and prove to himself he can get as strong/stronger than Vali. He doesn't care who he has to team up with if he needs to do so. Same thing with Vali, if he can fight strong enemies, he doesn't care wether they have the Boosted Gear or not. That and, the possessors weren't near God-Class at the time, so of course they couldn't beat Loki by themselves.

As a stand alone, 7 is the Volume I like the least. It's enjoyable, nut not nearly as focused in the overall story as the other Volumes. Like GDK1 said, it felt like a filler arc.

G147
2015-05-06, 20:01
@G147: Volume 6 also developed Ise with Xenovia, so I don't know about that "only focused on Asia" you're talking about. Rias also had some, since she and Asia started a "sisters" kind of relationship after that.

Simple, in Volume 5, while it's a Koneko Volume, it also expanded a bit on Akeno accepting her bloodline, showing how much Yuuto has grow, the Sitri Team especially Saji's determination as a whole. It's very much related to the plot.

In Volume 7, while it's an Akeno Volume, it shows stuffs like how Loki's intervention strengthen Odin's desire to form peace with other myths, the growing respect between Issei and Vali, Saji's evolution and how Ise despite being a pervert won't just take advantage of a mentally weaken lady.

But in Volume 6, you can pretty much summaries it in this way: Asia's uncertainty due to Diodora's proposal and the battle to rescue Asia. Hell the rescue Asia is so emphasize on that it felt that the Old Satan Faction taking on the leaders are just place there as an addition only.

And the bit with Xenovia isn't even fully plot related, it's just Xenovia personally whereas in Volume 5, it shows how much determination the Sitri has for their dreams and it's starting to shape up in Volume 17 and how their dreams has started to change the Underworld entirely, in Volume 7, even your so called Loki's random 1-time intervention has made Odin more determined to proceed with the treaty and did it much faster.
Maybe you can try and say Ophis and Great Red is plot related, since it shows you that Ophis is gunning for Great Red but since that won't happen, it's pretty much out of the plot too.

Of course i'll admit the Juggernaut Drive is very relevant and i like it very much since it's the key and trigger to Ise's many power-up but that was pretty much the only thing that is plot related as of Volume 6 is concern.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-06, 20:30
Odin was already negotiating with the Shinto faction, it was said that after Loki attacked he left Japan and Rossweisse behind. Nothing about speeding up the process.
Volume 6 showed that Sirzechs and Odin aren't useless like some of the Volumes make it look like. This was important doesn't matter how you look at it.
It also showed that Great Red was attracted by the Sekiryuutei going berserk which is vital to foreshadow the way Ise got saved in V11.
So Xenovia showing interest in becoming Ise's servant isn't relevant?

G147
2015-05-06, 21:05
Odin was already negotiating with the Shinto faction, it was said that after Loki attacked he left Japan and Rossweisse behind. Nothing about speeding up the process.
Volume 6 showed that Sirzechs and Odin aren't useless like some of the Volumes make it look like. This was important doesn't matter how you look at it.
It also showed that Great Red was attracted by the Sekiryuutei going berserk which is vital to foreshadow the way Ise got saved in V11.
So Xenovia showing interest in becoming Ise's servant isn't relevant?

Odin was in process with negotiating with the Shinto yes, but if Loki had been successful lets say killing one of the Shinto, it would break out into war, plus Odin was negotiating with more than just 1 myth. If Loki had kill him back then, then all the previous negotiating would have gone naught.

Sirzechs and Odin fighting was just like all the leaders were fending off Khaos Brigade level of importance only. All the leaders were already fighting, it just happens that Sirzechs and Odin's was shown. I doubt it'll change much if it was changed to Ajuka or someone else.

Great Red wasn't attracted by the JD.
“The True God-Emperor of Red-Dragon. Apocalypse Dragon, the Great-Red. It’s the great dragon which is called the ‘True-Dragon’. It chooses to live in the dimensional gap and swims there for eternity. Today, we came here to confirm ‘that’. The field of Rating Game is inside a section in the dimensional gap by putting on a barrier. This time, Ophis’s true aim was to confirm that. Shalba’s plan was something which wasn’t important to us.”

Character-wise yes but plot-wise no. In Sitri, there's the school, in Odin's there's the treaty, in Xenovia's there only personal want.

Wandering Soul
2015-05-06, 21:12
I get where you're looking at it but look at it this way.

Shalba got beaten because Issei went berserk and even then he was still alive. Thats cool and good but here's what makes Loki more interesting from a bad guy perspective.
In order to beat Loki you needed
1. Issei and vali to team up
2. To summon another heavenly dragon king and get some legendary chain to beat FENRIR
3. To beat Loki they needed to get a legendary hammer that belongs to a god.
4. Even once u had the hammer you need bilingual and a legendary god from another world just so issei could use it.

the thing about Rizelvims group thats interesting is that the loki volume and the APPEARANCE of the breast God gave him his motivation so Vol 7 had a larger role.

Vol 6 you had Diodora and his thing. Unfortunately Juggernaut Drive did a huge impact on vol 6 and thats what made this volume.

Vol 7 the ending was ridiculous but it should say that it took all that just to beat Loki.
Even with all that considering the way he was defeated it became pretty hard to take him seriously. If Loki does come back I just see it as a way to show how powerful everyone is compared to how they were back then.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-06, 21:24
The school is not Sona's personal want? It's her wish to change something, it may be grander than Xenovia's but it's still her own dream.

My point was that Odin would have done the treaty with or without Loki. His actions didn't have any consequences for the plot aside from Chichigami. It didn't matter at all in the end.

That wasn't important because it was Odin and Sirzechs specifically. Showing Faction Leaders fighting is already something that you don't see often in DxD aside from Azazel, seeing other leaders do something at all is really refreshing.

And I forgot to mention, but the fact it started the whole Oppai Dragon franchise makes V6 even more important, V10 and V12 relied heavily on it.

KingIsseisPawn69B
2015-05-06, 21:42
Okay people wonder why i'm so annoyed so do this. Re-read volumes 5 and 7 (the actual volumes) and tell me what would've happened if the anime had followed 5 and 7 accurately instead of fusing 5 and 7 together. That is my complaint 5 and 7 were fused together. But vol 7 as a stand-alone volume is superior to 6. Yes JD and OD song are great but that's about it. Only after you've re-read it an

While I agree, I think the gym scene with Xenovia basically forcing Issei to grope her and Asia was pretty good.

I think we can all agree this season has so far suffered greatly from fusing/ignoring parts of 5 and 7. I think we can also agree it'd likely be far better had they done things linerally and maybe changed some scenes so they weren't crap like they were in the LNs (Akeno and Rias fighting...).

On another note, I am not sure where I read this here but I recall several people complaining bout Issei getting uber powerful uber fast. The way I see things is this is the story of the Legendary Oppai Dragon. It has been stated numerous times that Issei has done exceptional things. Hell, he was doing exceptional things 15 minutes into the series when he survived Raynare's assault thanks to Rias's boobs. Think about that. Back when he was a mere Human he was already attracting powerful beings to save his ass. While Issei may think he's done nothing special Azazel has repeated told him otherwise. If anything I am shocked Issei didn't pwn Loki the first chance he got since he's so legendary.

Lets put the issues of how much this season sucks because they want to give us 9 and 10 next year or whatever, and whether LN 7 was silly/necessary. Ln 7 was both. Who cares about Loki getting beat because of the boob god, if you think about it wasn't Vali essentially beat in season 2 because Azazel told Issei Vali threatened to halve everyone's boobs? Didn't he defeat the Sitri team thanks to Bilingual (okay, not him, but he was the primary reason they won). My point is that with the exception of Raiser and maybe Raynare, ALL (or most if I am forgetting something) of Issei's victories before I think LN 14 were arguably thanks to comic relief (if memory serves weren't rias's boobs glowing when he finally achieved his CCP?). If anything, his victories after LN 12 that didn't include boobs were arguably OOC which that was thankfully brought up I think in the early parts of LN 18.

To whoever said Loki was a joke because of how he lost, your reasoning if it was solely based on him being defeated by the boob god is nonsensical given how most of his victories were obtained. Hell. he beat Cao Cao thanks to a switch princess action figure.

Nuff said.

So Born episode 6. How are they going to bastardize the LNs now? Seriously, how are they going to explain the young devils tournament or at least the rating games? Are they going to cut them out entirely and just have Diodora kidnap Asia for lulz before betraying the underworld only for Sirzechs to, for no discernible reason, have his sister and peerage go after them? They at least need to reference the sitri fight, give it to us in 2 ova's at seasons end or something, they can't ignore it and make a quality show easily.

Something tells me they will include the tournament including the sitri game because they bothered to introduce the yankee devil who if memory serves gets his ass beat by Diodora. At this point I don't care how halfassed the Sitri/Gremory RG is, just give it to us GDI. didn't they actually reference a RG between them during this poor excuse of a Loki arc?

G147
2015-05-06, 21:42
The school is not Sona's personal want? It's her wish to change something, it may be grander than Xenovia's but it's still her own dream.

My point was that Odin would have done the treaty with or without Loki. His actions didn't have any consequences for the plot aside from Chichigami. It didn't matter at all in the end.

That wasn't important because it was Odin and Sirzechs specifically. Showing Faction Leaders fighting is already something that you don't see often in DxD aside from Azazel, seeing other leaders do something at all is really refreshing.

And I forgot to mention, but the fact it started the whole Oppai Dragon franchise makes V6 even more important, V10 and V12 relied heavily on it.

It's not just Sona but her servants as well. It's a dream of a group rather than an individual.

Your missing something here, Odin was in preparation for the peace talk with the Shinto only, it hasn't been official nor has it started at the time Loki intervene. So if Loki had been successful in stopping Odin, then the Shinto and Norse wouldn't have form the treaty. Plus Loki purposely retreat and waited for the day Odin and the Shinto God would meet, presumably not only to kill Odin but the Shinto Gods as well effectively starting his "Ragnarok" because if Loki killed them, the Norse and the Shinto would without a doubt start a war.

Plus this alone made Volume 7 good plot-wise

“Nothing much. Until this age, this geezer right in front of you believed that he can solve anything with his wisdom. But you know, that was just the pride of this old man. What is truly important is the possibility of the young ones. Hohoho, I started to realise that right now, so how foolish was I….. My pride gave birth to Loki. And now, because of my pride, the young ones are going through hardships.”
Geezer’s eye was filled with sorrow.
Hmmm. I really can’t understand how important people think.
“I don’t really get it, but wouldn’t it be okay just to take one step at a time?”

It shows Ise is actually growing as a character.

Don't get me wrong, i like Volume 6 in fact i love it but i'm just saying compared to Volume 5 & 7, it doesn't actually show much character growth from other characters because it was too Asia oriented.

KingIsseisPawn69B
2015-05-06, 21:46
The school is not Sona's personal want? It's her wish to change something, it may be grander than Xenovia's but it's still her own dream.

My point was that Odin would have done the treaty with or without Loki. His actions didn't have any consequences for the plot aside from Chichigami. It didn't matter at all in the end.

That wasn't important because it was Odin and Sirzechs specifically. Showing Faction Leaders fighting is already something that you don't see often in DxD aside from Azazel, seeing other leaders do something at all is really refreshing.

And I forgot to mention, but the fact it started the whole Oppai Dragon franchise makes V6 even more important, V10 and V12 relied heavily on it.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Oppai Dragon and the dream of the kids the primary reason Issei was able to return from the Dimension Gap? Actually, wasn't it because of those childrens' cries he was able to hold onto his soul without his body, get a new one, and return?

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-06, 21:53
While I agree, I think the gym scene with Xenovia basically forcing Issei to grope her and Asia was pretty good.

I think we can all agree this season has so far suffered greatly from fusing/ignoring parts of 5 and 7. I think we can also agree it'd likely be far better had they done things linerally and maybe changed some scenes so they weren't crap like they were in the LNs (Akeno and Rias fighting...).

On another note, I am not sure where I read this here but I recall several people complaining bout Issei getting uber powerful uber fast. The way I see things is this is the story of the Legendary Oppai Dragon. It has been stated numerous times that Issei has done exceptional things. Hell, he was doing exceptional things 15 minutes into the series when he survived Raynare's assault thanks to Rias's boobs. Think about that. Back when he was a mere Human he was already attracting powerful beings to save his ass. While Issei may think he's done nothing special Azazel has repeated told him otherwise. If anything I am shocked Issei didn't pwn Loki the first chance he got since he's so legendary.

Lets put the issues of how much this season sucks because they want to give us 9 and 10 next year or whatever, and whether LN 7 was silly/necessary. Ln 7 was both. Who cares about Loki getting beat because of the boob god, if you think about it wasn't Vali essentially beat in season 2 because Azazel told Issei Vali threatened to halve everyone's boobs? Didn't he defeat the Sitri team thanks to Bilingual (okay, not him, but he was the primary reason they won). My point is that with the exception of Raiser and maybe Raynare, ALL (or most if I am forgetting something) of Issei's victories before I think LN 14 were arguably thanks to comic relief (if memory serves weren't rias's boobs glowing when he finally achieved his CCP?). If anything, his victories after LN 12 that didn't include boobs were arguably OOC which that was thankfully brought up I think in the early parts of LN 18.

To whoever said Loki was a joke because of how he lost, your reasoning if it was solely based on him being defeated by the boob god is nonsensical given how most of his victories were obtained. Hell. he beat Cao Cao thanks to a switch princess action figure.

Nuff said.

So Born episode 6. How are they going to bastardize the LNs now? Seriously, how are they going to explain the young devils tournament or at least the rating games? Are they going to cut them out entirely and just have Diodora kidnap Asia for lulz before betraying the underworld only for Sirzechs to, for no discernible reason, have his sister and peerage go after them? They at least need to reference the sitri fight, give it to us in 2 ova's at seasons end or something, they can't ignore it and make a quality show easily.

Something tells me they will include the tournament including the sitri game because they bothered to introduce the yankee devil who if memory serves gets his ass beat by Diodora. At this point I don't care how halfassed the Sitri/Gremory RG is, just give it to us GDI. didn't they actually reference a RG between them during this poor excuse of a Loki arc?

Vali wasn't beaten. Ise managed to hit him a few times but he wouldn't have won if Bikou didn't interfere. Shalba was beaten in a completely serious way and so was Sairaorg. Loki being beaten in a comic relief way and never being even mentioned again as someone relevant is what makes him a joke. Cao Cao was kinda, but at least the comic relief wasn't the whole reason, there was also the fact God's Will choose Ise's dream over his.

@G147: Ise saying he likes to take one step at a time is not growth, it's him being him, he was always like that.

G147
2015-05-06, 21:55
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Oppai Dragon and the dream of the kids the primary reason Issei was able to return from the Dimension Gap? Actually, wasn't it because of those childrens' cries he was able to hold onto his soul without his body, get a new one, and return?

No the reason why Ise was able to hold on to his soul is because of the past possessors of the Boosted Gear sacrificing themselves and Ddraig holding it to the armor. His new body came because of Ophis and Great Red and he returned from the Dimensional Gap because Great Red can travel in and out of the Gap.

Vali wasn't beaten. Ise managed to hit him a few times but he wouldn't have won if Bikou didn't interfere. Shalba was beaten in a completely serious way and so was Sairaorg. Loki being beaten in a comic relief way and never being even mentioned again as someone relevant is what makes him a joke.

Loki was beaten in a comic relief way? He was struck by a replica of Mjolnir along with Baraqiel and Akeno's holy lightning combined plus Saji came along last minute and restrain Loki. It took 4 guys to team up in order to beat Loki, how is that comic relief? And Rossweisse placed multiple layers of seals on Loki to seal him off.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-06, 22:00
No the reason why Ise was able to hold on to his soul is because of the past possessors of the Boosted Gear sacrificing themselves and Ddraig holding it to the armor. His new body came because of Ophis and Great Red and he returned from the Dimensional Gap because Great Red can travel in and out of the Gap.



Loki was beaten in a comic relief way? He was struck my a replica of Mjolnir along with Baraqiel and Akeno's holy lightning combined plus Saji came along last minute and restrain Loki. It took 4 guys to beat Loki, how is that comic relief?

The fact it wouldn't have happened if a God of Breasts from another dimension who was never foreshadowed before didn't interfere and he didn't just stand there waiting for Akeno to make up with her father.

G147
2015-05-06, 22:05
The fact it wouldn't have happened if a God of Breasts from another dimension who was never foreshadowed before didn't interfere and he didn't just stand there waiting for Akeno to make up with her father.

And the way how Ise would release himself from the Juggernaut Drive is foreshadowed? Irina suddenly coming in with the song when none of Ise's friend know about that song, Ise in his supposed madden state still enjoying it etc? You're emphasizing too much on Loki being a 1-time villain that you've gone and say Volume 6 is better than Volume 5 & 7, when it's not. At most all three volumes are about the same level.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-06, 22:17
And the way how Ise would release himself from the Juggernaut Drive is foreshadowed? Irina suddenly coming in with the song when none of Ise's friend know about that song, Ise in his supposed madden state still enjoying it etc? You're emphasizing too much on Loki being a 1-time villain that you've gone and say Volume 6 is better than Volume 5 & 7, when it's not. At most all three volumes are about the same level.

The Oppai Dragon song was hinted at the start of the Volume, when the ORC was at the TV Station or whatever for their interview, he went into a separate room for some time and when he was asked what he was doing he said it was a surprise. So yeah, it was foreshadowed.

G147
2015-05-06, 23:28
The Oppai Dragon song was hinted at the start of the Volume, when the ORC was at the TV Station or whatever for their interview, he went into a separate room for some time and when he was asked what he was doing he said it was a surprise. So yeah, it was foreshadowed.

Okay maybe that was foreshadowed, but it still doesn't change that was an unexpected intro just like the Chichigami intro.

Archilla
2015-05-06, 23:42
Okay maybe that was foreshadowed, but it still doesn't change that was an unexpected intro just like the Chichigami intro.

The foreshadowing makes it easier to swallow. Chichigami showing up out of nowhere was confusing and random.

While the song was surprising, the fact that it was foreshadowed let me chuckle instead of stopping to see if I had missed something.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-07, 05:31
What made the song such an interesting twist was this idea that NOBODY other then issei and azazel knew about it. You also forget two interesting things. 1. The song calms him down and then vali uses his BB and Rias's poke to heal him.

Either way can we all agree that regardless of whats better that vol 6 must be done well and by volume 6 i mean the juggernaut drive and OD song

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-07, 05:47
What made the song such an interesting twist was this idea that NOBODY other then issei and azazel knew about it. You also forget two interesting things. 1. The song calms him down and then vali uses his BB and Rias's poke to heal him.

Either way can we all agree that regardless of whats better that vol 6 must be done well and by volume 6 i mean the juggernaut drive and OD song

I also want the curbstomp of Diodora. And Freed's death. And the Leaders kicking ass. But yeah, JD and OD Song are the most important.

Hk1117
2015-05-07, 05:57
I also want the curbstomp of Diodora. And Freed's death. And the Leaders kicking ass. But yeah, JD and OD Song are the most important.

We already have heard the OD song. It's wonderful. What matters is the JD chant doesn't get mucked up.

Hk1117
2015-05-07, 06:01
It's not just Sona but her servants as well. It's a dream of a group rather than an individual.

Your missing something here, Odin was in preparation for the peace talk with the Shinto only, it hasn't been official nor has it started at the time Loki intervene. So if Loki had been successful in stopping Odin, then the Shinto and Norse wouldn't have form the treaty. Plus Loki purposely retreat and waited for the day Odin and the Shinto God would meet, presumably not only to kill Odin but the Shinto Gods as well effectively starting his "Ragnarok" because if Loki killed them, the Norse and the Shinto would without a doubt start a war.

Plus this alone made Volume 7 good plot-wise



It shows Ise is actually growing as a character.

Don't get me wrong, i like Volume 6 in fact i love it but i'm just saying compared to Volume 5 & 7, it doesn't actually show much character growth from other characters because it was too Asia oriented.

No volume that's Asia-centered can ever have any real Char Dev, because 90% of the time, they'll be too busy keeping her butt safe or getting unnecessarily mad because she was harmed.

Royalknightftw
2015-05-07, 06:13
No volume that's Asia-centered can ever have any real Char Dev, because 90% of the time, they'll be too busy keeping her butt safe or getting unnecessarily mad because she was harmed.

I disagree, Slapping Diodora in the face for saying bad things to Issei is a nice character progression for Asia and don't forget that she was trying hard (kissing issei in the back of gymnasium) to get out of Issei's "family zone"

Hk1117
2015-05-07, 06:20
I disagree, Slapping Diodora in the face for saying bad things to Issei is a nice character progression for Asia and don't forget that she was trying hard (kissing issei in the back of gymnasium) to get out of Issei's "family zone"

it's not "character progression", it's "doing the obvious". Character progression would be steeling her resolve in the battlefield and not getting all sentimental all the time. She is nowhere near it and ends up burdening Ise and the rest thanks to that. Hell, even Gasper can hold his own now in a fight.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-07, 06:30
it's not "character progression", it's "doing the obvious". Character progression would be steeling her resolve in the battlefield and not getting all sentimental all the time. She is nowhere near it and ends up burdening Ise and the rest thanks to that. Hell, even Gasper can hold his own now in a fight.

You seem to not have paid attention to the latest Volumes, she has a bunch of Dragons as her familiars. The ORC don't need to take care of her anymore.

Hk1117
2015-05-07, 06:52
You seem to not have paid attention to the latest Volumes, she has a bunch of Dragons as her familiars. The ORC don't need to take care of her anymore.

and among them, only Fafnir is noteworthy. the rest are grunts that Ise could casually send flying away.

Tbolt
2015-05-07, 07:05
Hk1117 so you think Asia has no use in the team and you think she is a liability to everyone? You have no idea how wrong you are, in real life we fought like hell to protect our medics because they were our only medical support. It is Asias healing that everyone is still alive, so get off the Asia bashing.

Hk1117
2015-05-07, 07:15
Hk1117 so you think Asia has no use in the team and you think she is a liability to everyone? You have no idea how wrong you are, in real life we fought like hell to protect our medics because they were our only medical support. It is Asias healing that everyone is still alive, so get off the Asia bashing.

Not to everyone, but many of them, yes. I never said she was useless, and neither did I imply it. I did say her sentimentality is a threat even greater than any enemy, because that could cause her to get confused and disoriented and she might accidentally end up healing an enemy back to full health.

I am not bashing her, either. She is a legitimately terribly-written character.

Tbolt
2015-05-07, 07:22
Reading your posts you are bashing her and injecting your opinion.

Hk1117
2015-05-07, 07:25
Reading your posts you are bashing her and injecting your opinion.

I am not bashing her. I am simply stating what is objective truth. the series has it's share of significant flaws, and it'd take a fool to ignore them.

Tbolt
2015-05-07, 07:32
By all means feel free to tell author that.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-07, 07:52
Not to everyone, but many of them, yes. I never said she was useless, and neither did I imply it. I did say her sentimentality is a threat even greater than any enemy, because that could cause her to get confused and disoriented and she might accidentally end up healing an enemy back to full health.

I am not bashing her, either. She is a legitimately terribly-written character.
Did she ever heal an enemy? No. So until she does, that's not an argument, just your assumption.

In fact she already overcame any desire to heal everyone indiscriminatelly. Just read Volume 11 and see how her "Archer-Mode" works. The healing arrows disappear if they are about yo hit an enemy.

Biohazardous
2015-05-07, 08:52
I also want the curbstomp of Diodora. And Freed's death. And the Leaders kicking ass. But yeah, JD and OD Song are the most important.

I completely agree.

We already have heard the OD song. It's wonderful. What matters is the JD chant doesn't get mucked up.

I agree the chant is just as important. Just hearing it should tell you things are about to get bad very very bad. The tone of his voice should send chills.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-07, 09:07
Lets face it diodora's pummeling is gonna be funny especially considering he looks just like the #1 male villian in harem anime history Makoto Itou from school days. Everything else will be fun. but lets face it if they muck up JD its a disaster

Gary29
2015-05-07, 09:13
Lets face it diodora's pummeling is gonna be funny especially considering he looks just like the #1 male villian in harem anime history Makoto Itou from school days. Everything else will be fun. but lets face it if they muck up JD its a disaster

You know... thinking about how much effort they've put into Ise's Balance Breaker this season, I'm really excited to see what Juggernaut Drive looks like. It's still impossible to imagine it being even better than in the LN though.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-07, 09:17
You know... thinking about how much effort they've put into Ise's Balance Breaker this season, I'm really excited to see what Juggernaut Drive looks like. It's still impossible to imagine it being even better than in the LN though.

Look the thing about JD thats interesting is we've seen the final view in the anime opening the question is how will they do the transformation. If i had to think about what i'm hoping it has as far as animation goes its this scene.

Naruto v Pain after Pain kills Hinata instead of naruto going straight to 6 tails like he did its a slower process kinda like when he transforms into 4 tails. To me unlike BB it cant be a fast process it has to be a slow process to me the transformation has to be a good 2 or 3 minutes.

I feel like the sad part about JD is that there's so much anticipation on what it can be and should be and will be. That the actual event can never live up to the hype.

Biohazardous
2015-05-07, 09:24
I agree that it can't fully live up to the hype. I also agree it should be a slow process especially since it's the first time using it. This is breaking seals Ddraig gets all his power back and gives it to Ise. To me it should be a slow build up in the since that for sake of argument its a few seals on him not one. As it breaks power comes out and fuels his transformation when they are all broken he is at full power and full transformation.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-07, 09:44
I agree that it can't fully live up to the hype. I also agree it should be a slow process especially since it's the first time using it. This is breaking seals Ddraig gets all his power back and gives it to Ise. To me it should be a slow build up in the since that for sake of argument its a few seals on him not one. As it breaks power comes out and fuels his transformation when they are all broken he is at full power and full transformation.

It was an incomplete version of JD

Biohazardous
2015-05-07, 09:55
He is still getting access to a lot of power.

Hk1117
2015-05-07, 10:28
He is still getting access to a lot of power.

the way I figure it, Ddraig and Albion have at least 2 more locked abilities. No way they became Heavenly Dragons with just 2 abilities each.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-07, 10:57
the way I figure it, Ddraig and Albion have at least 2 more locked abilities. No way they became Heavenly Dragons with just 2 abilities each.

Yeah, I agree, I hope in the next couple Volumes we get more insight in that since 20 will focus in Ise and 21 in Vali.

It'd be cool if Vali unlocked an ability to turn invisible (Vanishing Dragon, duh) and Ise freaked out because he only has access to Reflect. :p

Hk1117
2015-05-07, 11:05
Yeah, I agree, I hope in the next couple Volumes we get more insight in that since 20 will focus in Ise and 21 in Vali.

It'd be cool if Vali unlocked an ability to turn invisible (Vanishing Dragon, duh) and Ise freaked out because he only has access to Reflect. :p

I don't see Vali ever using that ability, if such an ability exists. It's not his style.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-07, 11:08
I don't see Vali ever using that ability, if such an ability exists. It's not his style.

That'd make Ise rage even more:

"How can you waste such treasure?!"

Hk1117
2015-05-07, 11:13
That'd make Ise rage even more:

"How can you waste such treasure?!"

Vali (very casually): This takes the fun out of fighting.

Gary29
2015-05-07, 11:14
That'd make Ise rage even more:

"How can you waste such treasure?!"

Ise would want it as the ultimate tool to peek on the girls' bath. He could even enter Heaven and watch the female Angels changing. Or take pictures of Rias sleeping without her ever realizing it. :heh:

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-07, 11:17
Ise would want it as the ultimate tool to peek on the girls' bath. He could even enter Heaven and watch the female Angels changing. Or take pictures of Rias sleeping without her ever realizing it. :heh:

He doesnt need to worry about that though the angel thing i doubt Irina would be too happy.

Hk1117
2015-05-07, 11:19
Ise would want it as the ultimate tool to peek on the girls' bath. He could even enter Heaven and watch the female Angels changing. Or take pictures of Rias sleeping without her ever realizing it. :heh:

the scary part is I can see that happening if he gains that ability. Again, assuming the ability exists.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-07, 11:41
the scary part is I can see that happening if he gains that ability. Again, assuming the ability exists.

As many naked girls as are around him already i bet if he asks that entire household (except for Kiba and Gaspy i hope) would give him a naked parade without too much hesistation.

Tbolt
2015-05-07, 12:17
And Ophis would be leading the parade with just her dark shades on.

Biohazardous
2015-05-07, 15:52
Imperial Kiba and Gasper would offer too though he'd object. :p

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-07, 16:57
Imperial Kiba and Gasper would offer too though he'd object. :p

Kiba probably but gasper idk.

KingIsseisPawn69B
2015-05-07, 20:09
Imperial Kiba and Gasper would offer too though he'd object. :p

Doesn't the tech exist to turn them into girls?

Also. To the person who was bashing Asia for being, something to the effect, "a poorly written character"...

Asia is currently the only member of the harem who can really be described as sweet. The only other girl who comes remotely close is Le Fay who isn't (as of about half way into LN 18) apart of said harem.

Think about the current members, Rias, Akeno, Asia, Koneko, Rossy, Xenovia, Irina, Ravel, Kuroka (after a certain scene between Issei and Irina... yeah... as far as I'm concerned Kuroka and Ophis are in) and Ophis (I considered putting Le Fay in, but its a little soon. Still. She clearly will be in at some point). Anyway, if you could describe each of these girls with one word, what would they be?

Asia=Sweet
Xenovia=Direct (Very, Very, Very, VERY direct)
Irina=Devoted
Ravel=Controlling (even before she became his manager)
Kuroka=(to quote Issei) Evil
Ophis=Innocent
Rossy=Inquisitive
Koneko=Tough
Akeno=Persistent
Rias=Determined

Are these words perfect? No. Are the characters themselves perfect? No. People reading this message, are you perfect? No. No one is perfect. Asia Isn't perfect but neither is everyone else. If you think you are perfect you are delusional.
The above is my list of what I consider the current (LN18 life 1) Harem and 1 word I'd use to describe each girl. What words would you use and which people are in it?

As Bad as this season has been so far, it is still better than damn near every other anime currently out there. That might change depended on how JD doesn't live up to the hype, though maybe it'll pull an Age of Ultron on us and mostly live up to said hype. Hell, most of the plot holes in that film are thanks to them cutting out over an hour of the D.C., which if you think about it is why DxD has been a failure so far.

Damn you time constraints!

KnightShade
2015-05-07, 20:20
Doesn't the tech exist to turn them into girls?

Also. To the person who was bashing Asia for being, something to the effect, "a poorly written character"...

Asia is currently the only member of the harem who can really be described as sweet. The only other girl who comes remotely close is Le Fay who isn't (as of about half way into LN 18) apart of said harem.

Think about the current members, Rias, Akeno, Asia, Koneko, Rossy, Xenovia, Irina, Ravel, Kuroka (after a certain scene between Issei and Irina... yeah... as far as I'm concerned Kuroka and Ophis are in) and Ophis (I considered putting Le Fay in, but its a little soon. Still. She clearly will be in at some point). Anyway, if you could describe each of these girls with one word, what would they be?

Asia=Sweet
Xenovia=Direct (Very, Very, Very, VERY direct)
Irina=Devoted
Ravel=Controlling (even before she became his manager)
Kuroka=naughty
Ophis=Innocent
Rossy=Inquisitive
Koneko=Tough
Akeno=Persistent
Rias=Determined

Are these words perfect? No. Are the characters themselves perfect? No. People reading this message, are you perfect? No. No one is perfect. Asia Isn't perfect but neither is everyone else. If you think you are perfect you are delusional.
The above is my list of what I consider the current (LN18 life 1) Harem and 1 word I'd use to describe each girl. What words would you use and which people are in it?

As Bad as this season has been so far, it is still better than damn near every other anime currently out there. That might change depended on how JD doesn't live up to the hype, though maybe it'll pull an Age of Ultron on us and mostly live up to said hype. Hell, most of the plot holes in that film are thanks to them cutting out over an hour of the D.C., which if you think about it is why DxD has been a failure so far.

Damn you time constraints!
um... while sweet is definately asia's thing, all the other others girls have been sweet in one way or another.(except maybe kuroka unless you count taking a bullet for her sister)

and FTFY :heh:. everyone else is legit

define bad and failure. aside from some rushed pacing and minor omissions(yes this means the rating game too as reverse was a terrible gimmick), born is no where near bas as far as anime adaption go. i take it you never suffered through something like madan.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-07, 21:01
If they start making changes from the start it makes it easier for me to swallow. Anyone here remember Beelzebub and how it went anime original only in the last half of the final episode? That makes me sad even now. :(

KnightShade
2015-05-07, 21:27
If they start making changes from the start it makes it easier for me to swallow. Anyone here remember Beelzebub and how it went anime original only in the last half of the final episode? That makes me sad even now. :(

that one still hurts. :(

KingIsseisPawn69B
2015-05-07, 22:31
um... while sweet is definately asia's thing, all the other others girls have been sweet in one way or another.(except maybe kuroka unless you count taking a bullet for her sister)

and FTFY :heh:. everyone else is legit

define bad and failure. aside from some rushed pacing and minor omissions(yes this means the rating game too as reverse was a terrible gimmick), born is no where near bas as far as anime adaption go. i take it you never suffered through something like madan.

While I do not disagree with your opinion, Asia is the only character who when you think about her the first thing that usually comes to mind when describing her is sweet. Yes Every other character except maybe Kuroka has sweet moments, but being sweet is not really in their characters.

Think of Asia when she first met Issei, she was very sweet and desperate for friendship. Koneko was tough until volume 5 when she started to simmer down only when she was around Issei and basically wanted to screw him. Kuroka, I'll give you naughty, that is a more accurate term for her which she has been throughout the entire series so far. Xenovia was also extremely direct when she first met Issei and that first day she was a devil (at least i think it was her first day) when she told Issei that as long as she bore his child he could do whatever he wanted to her (and when that failed did a crap ton of research which I believe she has continued to do in the hope of convincing him to seed her). I dont think there has been a single scene where Irina wasn't showing us how religiously devoted to Michael she is (she was even showing her devotion in Life 1 of LN 18 which I pray they adapt properly). If memory serves hasn't ravel always been bossy/controlling? Rereading LN 5 and 6 the first thing she did when she encountered Issei was basically force him to accept her gift. Yes she showed her sweet side on several occasions but that's something I think she has only shown to Issei. Ophis has only ever been innocent, maybe your definition of sweet differs from mine, but IMO Ophis is innocent and is simply a friend to Issei (Her innocence wasn't more evident IMO than Life 1 LN 18, one of the best Ophis lines btw). Rossy wasn't really sweet until LN 17 and that was largely revealed because she was trying to convince her grandma she had a boyfriend. Maybe in the future she will become sweeter but being sweet is without question not one of her defining qualities. I am not sure Akeno can be described as sweet. She is a wonderful character who is still working through many issues, but she has really ever shown Issei lust. I recall in LN 7 she did start to show other emotions, besides lust, but she has really been extremely determined to do whatever it takes to have an affair with Issei. Even their date was largely to get him to screw her to hide her daddy issues. Rias has unquestionably been sweet to Issei and is kinda like a fusion of most of the qualities I listed above. But being sweet is not her defining trait, she is determined not to have her boyfriend/future husband marry her name, nor will she allow anyone to screw with her family and friends. That is why I described her as determined. When she isn't fighting for her claim on Issei and defending her home town/world from destruction she is sweet to most of her peerage. I believe I read somewhere that in either LN 18 or 19 she finally decides to help Issei get his Harem, confident his heart belongs to her. I hope that is true, or if I missed it in a previous LN please inform me.

Back to LN 6, which the interviews... Doesnt Oppai Dragon happen Largely because of the RG with Sona? Because Issei shouted oppai during some snack break or something? How the hell are they going to explain OD?

On another note is anyone else looking forward to how Funimation adapts the ODS?

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-08, 05:09
Back to LN 6, which the interviews... Doesnt Oppai Dragon happen Largely because of the RG with Sona? Because Issei shouted oppai during some snack break or something? How the hell are they going to explain OD?

On another note is anyone else looking forward to how Funimation adapts the ODS?

Just have Azazel say he wanted to do it for da lulz.

Read GDK1's signature and you'll see why I don't give a shit about the Funimation dub anymore.

KnightShade
2015-05-08, 07:39
While I do not disagree with your opinion, Asia is the only character who when you think about her the first thing that usually comes to mind when describing her is sweet. Yes Every other character except maybe Kuroka has sweet moments, but being sweet is not really in their characters.

Think of Asia when she first met Issei, she was very sweet and desperate for friendship. Koneko was tough until volume 5 when she started to simmer down only when she was around Issei and basically wanted to screw him. Kuroka, I'll give you naughty, that is a more accurate term for her which she has been throughout the entire series so far. Xenovia was also extremely direct when she first met Issei and that first day she was a devil (at least i think it was her first day) when she told Issei that as long as she bore his child he could do whatever he wanted to her (and when that failed did a crap ton of research which I believe she has continued to do in the hope of convincing him to seed her). I dont think there has been a single scene where Irina wasn't showing us how religiously devoted to Michael she is (she was even showing her devotion in Life 1 of LN 18 which I pray they adapt properly). If memory serves hasn't ravel always been bossy/controlling? Rereading LN 5 and 6 the first thing she did when she encountered Issei was basically force him to accept her gift. Yes she showed her sweet side on several occasions but that's something I think she has only shown to Issei. Ophis has only ever been innocent, maybe your definition of sweet differs from mine, but IMO Ophis is innocent and is simply a friend to Issei (Her innocence wasn't more evident IMO than Life 1 LN 18, one of the best Ophis lines btw). Rossy wasn't really sweet until LN 17 and that was largely revealed because she was trying to convince her grandma she had a boyfriend. Maybe in the future she will become sweeter but being sweet is without question not one of her defining qualities. I am not sure Akeno can be described as sweet. She is a wonderful character who is still working through many issues, but she has really ever shown Issei lust. I recall in LN 7 she did start to show other emotions, besides lust, but she has really been extremely determined to do whatever it takes to have an affair with Issei. Even their date was largely to get him to screw her to hide her daddy issues. Rias has unquestionably been sweet to Issei and is kinda like a fusion of most of the qualities I listed above. But being sweet is not her defining trait, she is determined not to have her boyfriend/future husband marry her name, nor will she allow anyone to screw with her family and friends. That is why I described her as determined. When she isn't fighting for her claim on Issei and defending her home town/world from destruction she is sweet to most of her peerage. I believe I read somewhere that in either LN 18 or 19 she finally decides to help Issei get his Harem, confident his heart belongs to her. I hope that is true, or if I missed it in a previous LN please inform me.

Back to LN 6, which the interviews... Doesnt Oppai Dragon happen Largely because of the RG with Sona? Because Issei shouted oppai during some snack break or something? How the hell are they going to explain OD?

On another note is anyone else looking forward to how Funimation adapts the ODS?

while we agree about the defining traits, the bold is essentially true. i view sweet simply as the ability to be nice without a hidden agenda or motive regardless of who it's towards. while asia has everyone beat in this regard with rias as a close second, they have all fit my description in one way or another. how long it took for them to do so is irrelevant to me as i prefer a character that develop over ones that are static.

more or less i semi agree; asia is the sweet one but not because she's the only one capable of being sweet.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-08, 08:26
Asia is interesting because to me Asia has struck me from issei's perspective as quite literally the healer. Within all the chaos and everything else from the other girls Asia has always been that calm presence that Issei has used to relax himself. Issei didnt mind Rias akeno and xenovia but he's always kinda wanted to protect Asia from all the pervy stuff. He's always seemed to want to keep Asia pure and thats been reflected in his actions towards her and why he's not done much to her. I mean really he's been more protective of Asia and her situation moreso even then Rias which is why she's the constant #2 not because she's the most attractive or anything else but because she helps keep Issei sane within all the insanity that came around and that was true consistently even after the events that are coming.

If u guys want to talk more about Asia i dont mind but do that in the Asia Character discussion folder if there is one in this section because the anime one will restrict us too much.

KnightShade
2015-05-08, 11:07
But that thread is filled with cancerous asia haters thou lol jk. I gotcha imperial

Hk1117
2015-05-09, 07:56
is there one of those asia threads?

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-09, 08:15
is there one of those asia threads?

It's in the anime sub-forum, it only has 2 pages, andI don't remember seeing much Asia hate there though.

@EDIT: Just checked, there is only one comment hating on her.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-09, 08:52
Yea but be careful because the spoilers to vol 6 and other stuff is gonna be a big problem.

Always86
2015-05-10, 04:32
Rias is my fav. But Asia is a strong contender. Especially how she is in the anime. Not much cuter than the way she shows jealousy and the way she makes herself do things so she doesn't fall behind Rias is kind of awesome. Thinking about her I feel like she is one of the best written.

Biohazardous
2015-05-11, 08:46
Always if you haven't read the novels you should. All the church girls do more things so they don't fall behind. It's awesome.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-11, 10:42
Always if you haven't read the novels you should. All the church girls do more things so they don't fall behind. It's awesome.

I'd disagree with that only slightly. Xenovia is trying not to fall behind and she's pushing Irina and Asia who are fine with the status quo . its kinda like Akeno with Rias at least as far as i'm concerned.

What makes it so comical is the fact that just like the male harem characters have to be a bit stupid to stop things from becoming porno's (which if they were smart is what u'd get). Xenovia and Akeno have both needed plot induced interference or both of them would've had issei seed well beforehand. (Comically though until he died he didnt have dragonic genes he was just a reincarnated human one of the greatest misconceptions of this entire series)

KingIsseisPawn69B
2015-05-11, 17:23
I'd disagree with that only slightly. Xenovia is trying not to fall behind and she's pushing Irina and Asia who are fine with the status quo . its kinda like Akeno with Rias at least as far as i'm concerned.

What makes it so comical is the fact that just like the male harem characters have to be a bit stupid to stop things from becoming porno's (which if they were smart is what u'd get). Xenovia and Akeno have both needed plot induced interference or both of them would've had issei seed well beforehand. (Comically though until he died he didnt have dragonic genes he was just a reincarnated human one of the greatest misconceptions of this entire series)

Really? I think we may need more explanation. I know Draig said in New that his host have always been swarmed by women (and I'm assuming men when they were female), but with Issei, even before Draig Awoke he was already starting to attract power, Rias. If issei, before he was reborn, had screwed wouldn't Draig have been able to boost his seed to make kinda his own? He can boost everything else. Why not his seed?

Then again this is mute since as far as we know he hasn't screwed anyone yet. Actually I find it hilarious that the entire main cast are virgins. Given that DxD has a legitimate argument for being more, innocent, than most primetime TV shows.

KingIsseisPawn69B
2015-05-11, 17:31
Alright I'm going to be busy most of the week so here are my thoughts on Ep 6 and the comparison to the LNs.

I don’t mind the minor changes to irina showing up. Given how much the first 5 episodes bastardized several characters and the plot… Yeah, Thank god the change to irina showing up wasn’t big and kind of put this show back on a correct path. As for the stuff they omitted… who gives a damn. They could’ve done a helluva lot worse (first 5 eps).

I don’t really recall how Brave saints were explained but I think those were kinda changed which doesn’t matter since they are damn near irrelevant until LN 18 anyway.

Irina’s, how should I put this, devotion toward Michael… Was anyone else weirded out (it sounded like she was enjoying herself a little too much if you catch my drift)?

How the hell are they going to explain Rossy? Maybe my subs were bad but it doesn’t seem like she is Rias’s rook yet? Is she? I think she’s just a house guest. Regardless, she didn’t really do much in LN 6 anyway and given that she seems to be crying nonstop… Screw it. This change shouldn’t matter, if it does they probably screwed up LN 6.

Thank ******* god they’re doing the sports festival.

Damn Diodorshit. I don’t care if he’s accurate or not, F*** him.

Anyone else pissed about Akeno’s Line about being half fallen angel???

Oppai Dragon. Given that they stupidly eliminated the RG with Sitri this was basically the only thing they could do thought I am a little peeved we won’t have Issei record the song, though I guess he still theoretically could.

I guess the changes to Oppai Dragon are irrelevant since the message got across. At least it wasn’t Akenod.

ROFL at Draig crying.

Thank God Asia isn’t getting Akenod and that they are brilliantly laying the ground work for season 4 (one of only a handful good changes from the cannon). I personally enjoyed Asia and Issei preparing for the race more thank that poor excuse of a fight with Loki. Hell it was some of the best stuff this season.

F*** Diodora.

Given all the young women waking up on Issei’s crotch I’m shocked none of them (especially Akeno) haven’t given him a special wake up gift.

Rias’s face and thoughts about Issei’s. What exactly did she mean? Or were the subs bad?

Xenovia is awesome. Nuff Said… ROFL

Ep 7. Is it Saturday yet?

on another note
Given all the significant changes from LNs we should make a drinking game. Any Ideas?
All I could come up with was whenever a change pisses you off you drink a shot of vodka.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-11, 17:56
Azazel said they are going to make a song out of that documentary.

Loki isn't done yet.

No one mentioned anything about Ross being Rias's rook so I guess she isn't for the time being.

I don't drink and even if I did, the only time I got pissed off was with the Akeno stuff last week. Aside from that I'm fine with the way things are going.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-11, 18:01
Alright I'm going to be busy most of the week so here are my thoughts on Ep 6 and the comparison to the LNs.

I don’t mind the minor changes to irina showing up. Given how much the first 5 episodes bastardized several characters and the plot… Yeah, Thank god the change to irina showing up wasn’t big and kind of put this show back on a correct path. As for the stuff they omitted… who gives a damn. They could’ve done a helluva lot worse (first 5 eps).

I don’t really recall how Brave saints were explained but I think those were kinda changed which doesn’t matter since they are damn near irrelevant until LN 18 anyway.

Irina’s, how should I put this, devotion toward Michael… Was anyone else weirded out (it sounded like she was enjoying herself a little too much if you catch my drift)?

How the hell are they going to explain Rossy? Maybe my subs were bad but it doesn’t seem like she is Rias’s rook yet? Is she? I think she’s just a house guest. Regardless, she didn’t really do much in LN 6 anyway and given that she seems to be crying nonstop… Screw it. This change shouldn’t matter, if it does they probably screwed up LN 6.

Thank ******* god they’re doing the sports festival.

Damn Diodorshit. I don’t care if he’s accurate or not, F*** him.

Anyone else pissed about Akeno’s Line about being half fallen angel???

Oppai Dragon. Given that they stupidly eliminated the RG with Sitri this was basically the only thing they could do thought I am a little peeved we won’t have Issei record the song, though I guess he still theoretically could.

I guess the changes to Oppai Dragon are irrelevant since the message got across. At least it wasn’t Akenod.

ROFL at Draig crying.

Thank God Asia isn’t getting Akenod and that they are brilliantly laying the ground work for season 4 (one of only a handful good changes from the cannon). I personally enjoyed Asia and Issei preparing for the race more thank that poor excuse of a fight with Loki. Hell it was some of the best stuff this season.

F*** Diodora.

Given all the young women waking up on Issei’s crotch I’m shocked none of them (especially Akeno) haven’t given him a special wake up gift.

Rias’s face and thoughts about Issei’s. What exactly did she mean? Or were the subs bad?

Xenovia is awesome. Nuff Said… ROFL

Ep 7. Is it Saturday yet?

on another note
Given all the significant changes from LNs we should make a drinking game. Any Ideas?
All I could come up with was whenever a change pisses you off you drink a shot of vodka.

First off this episode was correct with irina it just adjusted a few facts but those arent big ones. Irina's devotion towards michael is very predictable when u consider her original faith in God and otherwise. Kinda like Xenovia's focused on making babies with issei Irina is focused on serving michael.

Everything else i agree with

KingIsseisPawn69B
2015-05-12, 03:21
First off this episode was correct with irina it just adjusted a few facts but those arent big ones. Irina's devotion towards michael is very predictable when u consider her original faith in God and otherwise. Kinda like Xenovia's focused on making babies with issei Irina is focused on serving michael.

Everything else i agree with

Basically we agree on everything for this ep. Yes Irina was properly adapted its just a little creepy actually seeing how much she enjoys her devotion toward Michael/god.

anyway I was reading some youtube comments for lulz when I came across this idiot. This was off a vid of a guy who plans to read the light novels afterwards. He really enjoyed the Akeno episode as he was a big Akeno fan. I expect his impression of this ep will change drastically after he reads what should've happened. anyway I'll post this for Lulz.
The idiot I am reffering to replied to a guy who basically said (short version) this season sucks because they are adapting 5, 6 and 7 and taking away most of the good parts of 5 and 7 and making them crap. The guy who responded to this guy said the following
"Season 3 is adapting volumes 5&6. Each season adapts 2 volumes, 6 episodes for each volume. You just pointlessly talked about volume 7 not being adapted when it will be adapted in season 4."
I dont know who is dumber, the staff for adapting Born's first 5 eps the way they've been (though in their defense they are apparently so far getting LN 6 correct which is a good sign for them not screwing up JD) or this moron. I think site rules prohibit me actually linking the website but I think I can list the name of the vid and the guys name if any of you are interested.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-12, 05:07
Basically we agree on everything for this ep. Yes Irina was properly adapted its just a little creepy actually seeing how much she enjoys her devotion toward Michael/god.

anyway I was reading some youtube comments for lulz when I came across this idiot. This was off a vid of a guy who plans to read the light novels afterwards. He really enjoyed the Akeno episode as he was a big Akeno fan. I expect his impression of this ep will change drastically after he reads what should've happened. anyway I'll post this for Lulz.
The idiot I am reffering to replied to a guy who basically said (short version) this season sucks because they are adapting 5, 6 and 7 and taking away most of the good parts of 5 and 7 and making them crap. The guy who responded to this guy said the following
"Season 3 is adapting volumes 5&6. Each season adapts 2 volumes, 6 episodes for each volume. You just pointlessly talked about volume 7 not being adapted when it will be adapted in season 4."
I dont know who is dumber, the staff for adapting Born's first 5 eps the way they've been (though in their defense they are apparently so far getting LN 6 correct which is a good sign for them not screwing up JD) or this moron. I think site rules prohibit me actually linking the website but I think I can list the name of the vid and the guys name if any of you are interested.

Quite frankly i agree with that idiot that they have screwed up by fusing 5 and 7 the way they did so thats another matter.

KingIsseisPawn69B
2015-05-12, 14:08
Quite frankly i agree with that idiot that they have screwed up by fusing 5 and 7 the way they did so that's another matter.

I think you misinterpreted my comment which is my fault the idiot's comments were only the quoted.
Idiot
"Season 3 is adapting volumes 5&6. Each season adapts 2 volumes, 6 episodes for each volume. You just pointlessly talked about volume 7 not being adapted when it will be adapted in season 4."

He was replying to someone who wasn't an idiot who said they screwed up by fusing 5 and 7. sorry for the misconception.

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-12, 16:52
No worries but what i will say is 5 and 7 fused didnt work well for me because a lot of the impact was taken away. Lets see what happens with volume 6.

KingIsseisPawn69B
2015-05-12, 19:33
No worries but what i will say is 5 and 7 fused didnt work well for me because a lot of the impact was taken away. Lets see what happens with season 6.

Season 6?

If memory serves isnt 9 and 10 supposed to be season 4, 11 and 12 season 5, I think season 6 would be 14 and 16?

Hmm. Personally I can't wait for season 5. Great Red and Ophis are awesome :D

ImperialFlameGod8190
2015-05-12, 20:09
Season 6?

If memory serves isnt 9 and 10 supposed to be season 4, 11 and 12 season 5, I think season 6 would be 14 and 16?

Hmm. Personally I can't wait for season 5. Great Red and Ophis are awesome :D

i meant to say volume 6.

~Sovereign~
2015-05-22, 11:19
Idk if i missed this in the anime or if it was just skipped, but what happen to venelana teaching ise about devil history and how to dance properly etc?? Isn't this kinda very important to ise's overall character as the story progresses as a whole?

Or maybe the story will change slightly in the anime and ise will visit ria's home again in the future and then it will happen? Iirc ise needs to have these lessons from venelana in order for the events from volume 8 and 11 to be taking care of properly in the anime.

Hopefully this is something that will be included in the blu-ray or something.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-22, 11:38
Idk if i missed this in the anime or if it was just skipped, but what happen to venelana teaching ise about devil history and how to dance properly etc?? Isn't this kinda very important to ise's overall character as the story progresses as a whole?

Or maybe the story will change slightly in the anime and ise will visit ria's home again in the future and then it will happen? Iirc ise needs to have these lessons from venelana in order for the events from volume 8 and 11 to be taking care of properly in the anime.

Hopefully this is something that will be included in the blu-ray or something.

It was skipped for now.

If those BD specials aren't an attempt to put missing content from the TV version, I'll be pissed. It doesn't really matter for them but I will either way.

Gary29
2015-05-22, 12:01
I keep seeing mention that Ishibumi confirmed both BD specials and extra scenes on his blog, but Google Translate can't interpret that part properly. Any confirmation?

The stuff with Venelana could easily be introduced in a flashback during the engagement ceremony in early S4.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-22, 12:15
I keep seeing mention that Ishibumi confirmed both BD specials and extra scenes on his blog, but Google Translate can't interpret that part properly. Any confirmation?

The stuff with Venelana could easily be introduced in a flashback during the engagement ceremony in early S4.

In one of his latter posts he mentioned something about BD extra footage.

Chichiryuushintei
2015-05-22, 20:02
Soo, just watched ep 7 subbed (Didn't want to watch the Funimation, so had to wait a lot more than usual) and I have to say, if they eventually end up doing the 4th arc, Rizevim will be soooo goddamn epic! Look how sinister and creepy they made the second lamest villain in the series! I mean, he already was creppy in the raw, but when I saw what he was actually saying it got even better. Cao Cao and Rizevim will be just too goddamn good.

And they mentioned Ise can use magic circles now, that's nice. :3