View Full Version : White Album 2 ~Shiawase no Mukougawa~
Leon_Lelouch
2013-10-26, 04:00
As the PS Vita is coming near and the anime is also being aired
to avoid spoilering of the game inside anime thread, maybe we should just talk in here
I have searched for the thread that talk about this but I haven't found it.... While this game is actually very famous but I guess not many people here play this I think
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/756/g7f5.png
here is the PS Vita (http://aquaplus.jp/wa2vita/) site
The only thing that I heard which makes PS3 version and PS Vita version is that in PS Vita version there's an option to make it into novel version where it will show wall of text which will make the character portrait disappear and the other one is a warning icon for a scene that can make player to cry based on vote by fans
source here (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/08/19/dating-sim-turned-anime-white-album-2-coming-to-ps-vita-this-november/)
and last is the important one.... it include nintengo of Kazusa and Setsuna for the limited edition~
I doubt there's another extra scenario or scene for this version... but still hoping for it:D
The translation is on progress here (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=White_Album_2)
Hope for people to join in again.... just ask velocity (I think I saw him here too) if want to join
I think I can finish IC before the anime ends
actually I want to discuss about the game songs too in here
like what you thought about a certain song and its lyrics as it all had a meaning related to the series (Todokanai Koi and Closing has already had a definite answer)
todokanai koi being Haruki's feelings to Kazusa and Closing being Kazusa's feelings exploding out
When Chiaki said to Takeya in IC (after finishing Chiaki route), Takeya realized it too, and when Chiaki said it to Haruki in her route Haruki didn't deny it (as Haruki's the one who wrote the lyrics)
While Closing was accepted by the singer Uehara Rena and both Nabatame and Yonezawa
If I miss the thread that had been made, pls tell me or just merge it
hope for a nice discussion
oh and while at it... as this is a promise question.... pls mention which faction you are (Kazusa or Setsuna)
I'm Kazusa faction though
Addition:
This game is categorized as the best VN from here link (http://erogamescape.dyndns.org/~ap2/ero/toukei_kaiseki/toukei_median.php?erogame=null&coterie=null)
I don't really know if it's reliable enough, some people said that this site a bit reliable for japanese site (well its still based on each person's preference though)
Cosmic Eagle
2013-10-26, 08:40
Is there any difference with the original other than no H-scenes?
Leon_Lelouch
2013-10-26, 12:22
The PS3 and PSV version has an extended scenario for Kazusa's normal end (also called as Uwaki Route in PS3 and PSV version)
Key Board
2013-10-26, 22:48
Isn't the Vita version the exact same version as the PS3 version?
and rather than this, I'm still waiting for a fandisc
Pillow Talk is not enough...
Mazryonh
2013-10-26, 22:57
Can we talk about the original PC version here too?
Leon_Lelouch
2013-10-27, 09:45
lol, pillow talk is just like self talking, not really satisfied enough with it
but.... I guess fandisc maybe will lower the impact of the ending so that's why they're not making it at all.... (not like I'm agains the making of it though)
Why not? the difference is that PC version has H-scene while PS3 remove that but extend one of the route scenario, not that much different haha
Key Board
2013-10-27, 14:27
I can think of several ideas for Kazusa FD
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Haruki being Haruki at work. Vienna version
Kazusa finally changing her stage name to match her new one
Kazusa giving Youko her promised grandchild
Also Kazusa true was a bit too platonic
I think it just writes itself
SaintessHeart
2013-10-27, 14:46
Then what is Haruki going to do in Vienna?
Key Board
2013-10-27, 15:03
pillow talk hints what will happen
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Haruki enjoying his new job a bit too much, because he's a workaholic
Kazusa wanting an apology
Makeup sex
ect..
SaintessHeart
2013-10-28, 02:35
There are a couple of clues which pointed towards the timeskip being more than 3 years in CC. For example, Haruki's workplace is using Windows XP, which was released in 2001; by then most companies only started adopting it in the mid 2000s due to stability issues before the SP1 patch. If it is 3-year timeskip, then it should be 1996+3=1999.
Secondly, Setsuna highlighted something about a 10th anniversary live in one of the scenes during the class gathering at the end of CC.
That is why I said that it will come back to bite them in the later part of the anime if they set the setting in 2007.
There are a couple of clues which pointed towards the timeskip being more than 3 years in CC. For example, Haruki's workplace is using Windows XP, which was released in 2001; by then most companies only started adopting it in the mid 2000s due to stability issues before the SP1 patch. If it is 3-year timeskip, then it should be 1996+3=1999.
Secondly, Setsuna highlighted something about a 10th anniversary live in one of the scenes during the class gathering at the end of CC.
That is why I said that it will come back to bite them in the later part of the anime if they set the setting in 2007.
Note: I haven't played all of CC yet because I'm lazy/busy
but surely the fact that Haruki is a 3rd year college student is more relevant than these small other things? I mean I guess Haruki could've taken some years off, but that seems unlikely....
AFAIK, the 1986 setting from the 2009 White Album adaptation was an anime original invention. I'm not sure if the year was mentioned in the PS3 remake of the game, but I believe that it wasn't explicitly stated in the original PC game. In other words, it might not be canon.
From what I've gathered, WA2 IC takes place in 2007, CC in 2010, and Coda in 2012-2013. WA1 takes place in 1997 to early 1998, coinciding with the development/release date of the game.
In the WA animation, it simply served as a convenient way of eliminating cell phones and creating communication barriers between characters.
Key Board
2013-10-28, 16:31
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IC to Coda is gap 5 years
both Setsuna and Kazusa stress this several times
I'm pretty sure they would be the last person to forget things.
Mazryonh
2013-10-28, 20:53
The translation is on progress here (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=White_Album_2)
Hope for people to join in again.... just ask velocity (I think I saw him here too) if want to join
I wouldn't hold your breath on the WA2 translation. This thread (http://vndb.org/t3490) on the vndb website claims that it's little better than a machine translation.
When Chiaki said to Takeya in IC (after finishing Chiaki route), Takeya realized it too, and when Chiaki said it to Haruki in her route Haruki didn't deny it (as Haruki's the one who wrote the lyrics)
Did you mean to say that happened in the CC section? I doubt any of the CC heroines met the IC characters during IC itself, because technically the CC heroines hadn't been created yet when IC was released.
I can think of several ideas for Kazusa FD
Haruki being Haruki at work. Vienna version
Kazusa finally changing her stage name to match her new one
Kazusa giving Youko her promised grandchild
Also Kazusa true was a bit too platonic
I think it just writes itself
I can think of a few things that could go into a "reverse-port" that transferred the new material from the PS3 version back into PC version to entice newcomers to buy it (assuming this is released after the WA2 anime has completely aired, CC and all).
First, I'm sure some of us would like to see just what happened to Youko Touma (AKA "We-Swear-She's-Totally-Not-Faye-Valentine"), Kazusa's mother, when Kazusa was conceived. It could be a tragic love story all its own as to why Kazusa's father is not in his daughter's life. Maybe Youko Touma loved the wrong man and thought he would stay in her life rather than leaving her a single mother. A real-life case can be found in Japanese celebrity news in the case of Miki Ando (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miki_Ando), a Japanese Olympic figure skater who had a daughter she refuses to publicly disclose the father of. Assuming this hypothetical PC version is 18+ (and there's no reason why it shouldn't be), I'm sure Rio Natsuki (Youko's seiyuu) will oblige--she has made (censored) noises before, in her role as Lucy Maria Misora in the To Heart 2 XRATED (yes, that is part of the actual title) PC port.
According to Setsuna's CODA route, Io and Takeya start an intimate relationship of their own by the end of that route. I'm pretty sure some of us wouldn't mind seeing them become lovers in an expanded PC re-port, though I'm not sure whether Io's and Takeya's seiyuus have made (censored) noises for eroge before. By the way, for those of you who have read the "Extra Episode" that builds on one of the three CODA routes, would this be a nice addition to it?
The Extra Episode is an expansion to the "Cheating" route, where Haruki dallies with Kazusa for a while but she convinces him to go back to Setsuna. I found it a little odd as to why the writers didn't go for this final twist (or "twist of the knife," if you prefer).
It would have been great in my opinion, if after the end of the "Cheating" route (Extra Episode included), there was a scene change marked "1 year later," showing Kazusa from behind watching a concert of Setsuna's, seated in her Vienna residence, and the camera then shows Haruki embracing her on stage. Kazusa says the following, to no one in particular:
"I always did love how they made music together."
"They always tried to make everyone happy."
"He even left me with some of the happiest moments of my life."
This is where the screen changes to show Kazusa's face, a tear working its way down her smiling face.
"You see that nice man there?"
The tear works its way down her face and falls down . . .
"He's your father . . . Haruka."
. . . to splash on the face of a few-months-old baby girl cradled in Kazusa's lap, whom Kazusa named "Haruka" after Haruki.
Something similar has been done before, actually. KimiNozo, the current "love-triangle king" of eroges, did feature problematic pregnancies in some of its endings, I hear, and I'm still surprised that WA2 didn't. Still, Kazusa becoming pregnant in the "Cheating" route and leaving before Haruki finds out about it would be a nice way to put a "heartbreak ending," because in this case Kazusa becoming a single mother with Haruki's child would be a way to show that she's sadly continued the vicious cycle that was started by Kazusa's own mother, Youko. It would be a great way to slam home how cheating in intimate relationships can hurt everyone involved, or even bring innocents (like unwanted children) into the equation.
Cosmic Eagle
2013-10-28, 23:15
I wouldn't hold your breath on the WA2 translation. This thread (http://vndb.org/t3490) on the vndb website claims that it's little better than a machine translation.
Moogy has always had the habit of being an arrogant prick who loves to over exaggerate and put down others but his points about those are valid admittedly.
You should note however that isn't all Velocity has done and I haven't actually seen the rest of his work yet. Personally, I did only a small bit of the latter part of the translation while the beginning was mainly Hikari's work and our bits are largely ok.
Anyway, the TL is effectively dead. I don't know if Velocity is resuming but Hikari and I effectively stopped long ago.
Leon_Lelouch
2013-10-28, 23:57
I wouldn't hold your breath on the WA2 translation. This thread (http://vndb.org/t3490) on the vndb website claims that it's little better than a machine translation.
Did you mean to say that happened in the CC section? I doubt any of the CC heroines met the IC characters during IC itself, because technically the CC heroines hadn't been created yet when IC was released.
I can think of a few things that could go into a "reverse-port" that transferred the new material from the PS3 version back into PC version to entice newcomers to buy it (assuming this is released after the WA2 anime has completely aired, CC and all).
According to Setsuna's CODA route, Io and Takeya start an intimate relationship of their own by the end of that route. I'm pretty sure some of us wouldn't mind seeing them become lovers in an expanded PC re-port, though I'm not sure whether Io's and Takeya's seiyuus have made (censored) noises for eroge before. By the way, for those of you who have read the "Extra Episode" that builds on one of the three CODA routes, would this be a nice addition to it?
The Extra Episode is an expansion to the "Cheating" route, where Haruki dallies with Kazusa for a while but she convinces him to go back to Setsuna. I found it a little odd as to why the writers didn't go for this final twist (or "twist of the knife," if you prefer).
It would have been great in my opinion, if after the end of the "Cheating" route (Extra Episode included), there was a scene change marked "1 year later," showing Kazusa from behind watching a concert of Setsuna's, seated in her Vienna residence, and the camera then shows Haruki embracing her on stage. Kazusa says the following, to no one in particular:
"I always did love how they made music together."
"They always tried to make everyone happy."
"He even left me with some of the happiest moments of my life."
This is where the screen changes to show Kazusa's face, a tear working its way down her smiling face.
"You see that nice man there?"
The tear works its way down her face and falls down . . .
"He's your father . . . Haruka."
. . . to splash on the face of a few-months-old baby girl cradled in Kazusa's lap, whom Kazusa named "Haruka" after Haruki.
Something similar has been done before, actually. KimiNozo, the current "love-triangle king" of eroges, did feature problematic pregnancies in some of its endings, I hear, and I'm still surprised that WA2 didn't. Still, Kazusa becoming pregnant in the "Cheating" route and leaving before Haruki finds out about it would be a nice way to put a "heartbreak ending," because in this case Kazusa becoming a single mother with Haruki's child would be a way to show that she's sadly continued the vicious cycle that was started by Kazusa's own mother, Youko. It would be a great way to slam home how cheating in intimate relationships can hurt everyone involved, or even bring innocents (like unwanted children) into the equation.
Well I just hope that the translation can at least invite people who don't know Japanese to at least know and enjoy playing WA2
After playing Chiaki route, IC route will have another change after the school festival in which Chiaki would have a scene talking with Takeya
Actually according to radio, if they didn't meet with Mizushima Takahiro (seiyuu of Haruki) they intended to make Terashima (Takeya's seiyuu) to play the role of Haruki, so.... I guess he actually had already understood that he would play H-scene role....
or maybe I'm wrong in interpreting it, since they're talking about the audition for the PS3 version (which for me was actually the audition for the PC one as there's no way there'd be another audition for PS3 version)
hmm, I don't really find pregnant route to be good enough... Well of course it's one of possible things to be happened and I don't deny that sometimes it can be good too (rather, I actually like to see Kazusa had Haruki's child so she can at least still be happy with that gift) but... I think pregnant is not really the style of White Album
They didn't make that as a pregnant route too as maybe they want to put a stop in Haruki's suffering... how actually he will suffer again when he somehow know about the truth...
something I realized about coda
actually.... to move on to coda, Haruki didn't need to actually choose Setsuna to enter that route... After all as long as Haruki worked in Kaiohsha Graph, he could actually involved in interviewing Kazusa and surely would meet her... Because Kaiohsha Graph knew the relation between Haruki and Kazusa being a classmate and how Haruki performed from his writing about Kazusa so it's inevitable to make Haruki to go interview Kazusa....
Key Board
2013-10-29, 01:47
Mazryonh
They made it very clear in that expanded route that
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But it didn't happen
You aren't the only one who had that idea. In fact there's several fanfics that dealt with that theme. Like this doujin for instance
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=big&illust_id=29149343
I think Maruto read some of "those himself and decided. "No, this isn't the point of this route", and shot it down in the expanded version.
something I realized about coda
actually.... to move on to coda, Haruki didn't need to actually choose Setsuna to enter that route... After all as long as Haruki worked in Kaiohsha Graph, he could actually involved in interviewing Kazusa and surely would meet her... Because Kaiohsha Graph knew the relation between Haruki and Kazusa being a classmate and how Haruki performed from his writing about Kazusa so it's inevitable to make Haruki to go interview Kazusa....
Chiaki/Koharu/Mari version of Coda?
Leon_Lelouch
2013-10-29, 07:22
yeah, their route...
well, there's a slim chance for Mari route though
they're in America after all, so maybe it's a bit hard to make Haruki meet with Kazusa anymore.... and with Mari who knew his past, his action, and his affection towards another girl, there's no way Mari as his upper would let him meet with Kazusa
and about that
it had been almost been used in Chiaki's route even though it was actually just a false assumption, so I doubt Maruto would use the same or something similar again
looks like if discussing about this, so many spoiler that is being discussed lol
Mazryonh
2013-11-05, 14:45
Anyway, the TL is effectively dead. I don't know if Velocity is resuming but Hikari and I effectively stopped long ago.
That's too bad; any chance you could find more people, especially since the mangagamer revolution now allows fan-translations to receive commercial sanction? And I would think that "frown power" among those in the VN community with real Japanese fluency would discourage anyone from using shortcuts like machine translation, especially given how limited that avenue is.
After playing Chiaki route, IC route will have another change after the school festival in which Chiaki would have a scene talking with Takeya
Nice of them to include that. Would it be a spoiler to reveal what Chiaki said to Takeya? What year is she compared to Haruki? And does Koharu also appear in IC if you complete her route in CC? Being at least three years younger than Haruki, she should be in middle school by then, so does that disqualify her from being in or around Houjou Gakuen in IC's time?
hmm, I don't really find pregnant route to be good enough... Well of course it's one of possible things to be happened and I don't deny that sometimes it can be good too (rather, I actually like to see Kazusa had Haruki's child so she can at least still be happy with that gift) but... I think pregnant is not really the style of White Album
They didn't make that as a pregnant route too as maybe they want to put a stop in Haruki's suffering... how actually he will suffer again when he somehow know about the truth...
Tragedy is supposed to be cathartic, and what we're discussing is hardly new to VNs. Key loved using similar stuff in Clannad, for instance. And besides, capitalizing on Haruki's suffering is a good way to show "you picked the wrong route, sucker" for the players.
Mazryonh
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But it didn't happen
You aren't the only one who had that idea. In fact there's several fanfics that dealt with that theme.
Of course it's not an uncommon idea; that sort of thing can happen even against all odds. And why did she want such a thing to happen, again? Was it explained in the game?
I still think such an outcome would be wonderfully tragic, because though Kazusa's happy at having a piece of Haruki to keep for herself, she will never stop remembering him every time she looks into her daughter's eyes, and a part of her will forever regret not staying with him. Kazusa, as I mentioned before, would also start another turn of the vicious cycle her mother Youko began by becoming a single mother in this hypothetical ending. It would also make a great continuation if one day Haruka went to her father after this new ending to the Cheating route and said "Kitahara-san, I am your daughter."
I would think that Setsuna's daughter by Haruki would be called "Setsuka" as a fusion of "Setsuna" and "Kazusa" given that Setsuna wants Haruki and Kazusa to stay with her.
Frankly, I'm surprised that more doujinshi for WA2 haven't arisen, given that it's considered a "kamige." The only artist I know of who has regularly made them is a certain "Mizuki Makoto (http://www.doujinshi.org/browse/author/13078/)."
yeah, their route...
well, there's a slim chance for Mari route though
they're in America after all, so maybe it's a bit hard to make Haruki meet with Kazusa anymore.... and with Mari who knew his past, his action, and his affection towards another girl, there's no way Mari as his upper would let him meet with Kazusa
I would like those two characters to meet, actually. Their voice actresses really could use more scenes together.
Cosmic Eagle
2013-11-05, 19:10
That's too bad; any chance you could find more people, especially since the mangagamer revolution now allows fan-translations to receive commercial sanction? And I would think that "frown power" among those in the VN community with real Japanese fluency would discourage anyone from using shortcuts like machine translation, especially given how limited that avenue is.
I....don't think Velocity was using machine translation actually...None of us were. Moogy's just overexaggerating as usual <__<
People with actual time? Quite hard....you are better off asking around those TL groups
Leon_Lelouch
2013-11-05, 22:12
Yea. that kind of story would maybe lead to a tragedy, but again this series mostly decreasing such probability and this what made it into a different drama than KEY series
no such thing as bad illness for all the heroines, no accident pregnancy, and such
and this actually what made this game to be a great series
Nope, no Koharu no Mari, Koharu maybe in the middle school but she probably still can't enjoy the festival being her
really
with Kazusa's gone, even though its great and all but still it really gave disadvantage for Kazusa although by being like that the pure love in her route can actually really be happened
funny things, in the novel volume 3, Kazusa's portrait is even bigger than Setsuna at the front cover while it's actually about closing chapter lol
Actually if you see it again, I'm continuing the translation...
Key Board
2013-11-06, 02:26
I think the novel might be going Setsuna end.
I've heard it's rather Setsuna biased
Where did you hear that from? I heard that it was the opposite actually
Key Board
2013-11-06, 03:14
Japanese forums. But given the anonymous nature you're really not sure who is talking.
I know that Maruto implied that he is doing some Setsuna ending after material for a certain novelization project, though. And well.. the only novelization project that is going on is the WA2 novelization.
So the novels are PROBABLY going Setsuna route unless he is referring to something else or intentionally riling up the fans.
I read that Coda hints at Kazusa being the true heroine while CC hints at Setsuna being the true heroine, not sure who is the true heroine is actually.
Key Board
2013-11-06, 03:43
It's irrelevant because the novel or the anime is not a 1:1 adaptation. If it was, I'd say Kazusa is the most fitting ending.
Oh wait.. I see your source
http://i.imgur.com/ZZlZ7Yf.jpg
When I say novels.. I am NOT referring to the Visual Novel. I am referring to the paper light novels that recently hit volume 3
Edit: What is that donut thing on her neck?
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My bad, thought you were referring to the visual novel as this is the game thread.
Mazryonh
2013-11-09, 23:06
http://i.imgur.com/ZZlZ7Yf.jpg
Edit: What is that donut thing on her neck?
It looks like a badly-drawn piece of jewelry, unless it's a reference to Eruruu's "special ring" from Utawarerumono.
I know that Maruto implied that he is doing some Setsuna ending after material for a certain novelization project, though. And well.. the only novelization project that is going on is the WA2 novelization.
I take it Maruto is a Setsuna fan himself, given how he made the PS3's "Extra Episode" turn out?
Yea. that kind of story would maybe lead to a tragedy, but again this series mostly decreasing such probability and this what made it into a different drama than KEY series
no such thing as bad illness for all the heroines, no accident pregnancy, and such
and this actually what made this game to be a great series
I would feel that this kind of ending really drives home the "sex has consequences" theme. You have nukige coming out your ears where all the sexual activity doesn't mean a thing. Actually having eroge where risky sex has realistic consequences to the plot (like Kazusa getting pregnant) seems pretty rare. The last commercially-translated-to-English eroge I remember that featured this plot element being relevant to a character's ending was Yume Miru Kusuri. After all, you can only hold a lit match so close to gasoline or other flammable liquid before it catches alight. That's what risky sex is, minus the bad feelings you get from seeing something burst into flame dangerously close to you. Tragic illness can come out of nowhere (as it often does in reality), which can make it seem contrived. "Accidental" pregnancy is a dangerous roll of the dice each time and less contrived.
Kazusa getting pregnant is also a nice way of showing the "Cheating" route as the "worst of both worlds." The player didn't sufficiently commit to either heroine, and so gets the worst ending in the CODA. Haruki has left another innocent to suffer another turn of Youko's vicious cycle.
Leon_Lelouch
2013-11-10, 07:08
I read that Coda hints at Kazusa being the true heroine while CC hints at Setsuna being the true heroine, not sure who is the true heroine is actually.
Well actually for my way of thinking, IC route is Kazusa route, CC is definitely Setsuna route as there's no Kazusa in there while Coda has the balance of Setsuna and Kazusa being the true route.... Setsuna leads to happy (?) ending while Kazusa route (both true and cheating route) had the best drama IMO
and of course I still believe that Kazusa's true end is the true route for this series, I hope that Maruto didn't choose which one is the true route based on which heroines he like :heh:
Japanese forums. But given the anonymous nature you're really not sure who is talking.
I know that Maruto implied that he is doing some Setsuna ending after material for a certain novelization project, though. And well.. the only novelization project that is going on is the WA2 novelization.
So the novels are PROBABLY going Setsuna route unless he is referring to something else or intentionally riling up the fans.
Can I see the source? haha
maybe that person didn't play the VN and said it based on the third volume? after all the third volume had Kazusa out of the story
Maruto said that? Hmm well the only WA2 novelization is just only this though (I haven't read his other light novel though so I don't know whether it correlate with it or not)
It's irrelevant because the novel or the anime is not a 1:1 adaptation. If it was, I'd say Kazusa is the most fitting ending.
Oh wait.. I see your source
http://i.imgur.com/ZZlZ7Yf.jpg
When I say novels.. I am NOT referring to the Visual Novel. I am referring to the paper light novels that recently hit volume 3
Edit: What is that donut thing on her neck?
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I was wondering about that too...:heh:
she didn't wear anything like that in the game
It looks like a badly-drawn piece of jewelry, unless it's a reference to Eruruu's "special ring" from Utawarerumono.
I take it Maruto is a Setsuna fan himself, given how he made the PS3's "Extra Episode" turn out?
I would feel that this kind of ending really drives home the "sex has consequences" theme. You have nukige coming out your ears where all the sexual activity doesn't mean a thing. Actually having eroge where risky sex has realistic consequences to the plot (like Kazusa getting pregnant) seems pretty rare. The last commercially-translated-to-English eroge I remember that featured this plot element being relevant to a character's ending was Yume Miru Kusuri. After all, you can only hold a lit match so close to gasoline or other flammable liquid before it catches alight. That's what risky sex is, minus the bad feelings you get from seeing something burst into flame dangerously close to you. Tragic illness can come out of nowhere (as it often does in reality), which can make it seem contrived. "Accidental" pregnancy is a dangerous roll of the dice each time and less contrived.
Kazusa getting pregnant is also a nice way of showing the "Cheating" route as the "worst of both worlds." The player didn't sufficiently commit to either heroine, and so gets the worst ending in the CODA. Haruki has left another innocent to suffer another turn of Youko's vicious cycle.
Yep, Maruto definitely said that he's a Setsuna's fan, after all Setsuna was the character he himself made while Kazusa was the character made from many people's ideas
Hmm maybe there's actually a chance to become like that
Kazusa having Haruki's child can still be categorized as a balance ending seeing the ending of the uwaki route turn out and how Kazusa actually had become more mature as she's the one who decided to leave Haruki
but again, Maruto might not think it would fit to this series theme, just like how the fatal illness came to Youko and not to the heroines
then again, didn't the PS3 version actually not telling about the H content so they left out the chance of Kazusa's having a child while in the PC there's no news at all about Kazusa after the ending
I had a hunch that the next episode of the anime
the ending song will change again into Setsuna's todokanai koi with the ending of Haruki and Setsuna being a couple.... wonder how much shock the anime-only-watcher-kazusa-fans will become
Key Board
2013-11-11, 05:37
the only way I can see Kazusa bearing Haruki's child outside of her own route is through artificial insemination.
But Setsuna's the kind of person who would approve this
Yep, Maruto definitely said that he's a Setsuna's fan, after all Setsuna was the character he himself made while Kazusa was the character made from many people's ideas
There's a saying among fans. Setsuna's ending is the one fitting for Maruto, but Kazusa's ending is the one fitting for White Album
Leon_Lelouch
2013-11-13, 08:15
the only way I can see Kazusa bearing Haruki's child outside of her own route is through artificial insemination.
But Setsuna's the kind of person who would approve this
There's a saying among fans. Setsuna's ending is the one fitting for Maruto, but Kazusa's ending is the one fitting for White Album
hoooo.... I never played his previous game such as kono aozora so I don't know much about his style....well after all Setsuna is the character he made so maybe he made her route to be the most fitting for him after being teased on by himself throughout the series lol
last time I'm arguing with myself about whose true route fit the best for this game and confused by myself seeing the well-balanced of the game hinting both of the heroines can fit it, but if many fans thought that Kazusa route to be the true fitting end for White Album 2, I'm so glad lol and I have searched many points and managed to find some points in Kazusa favor too...
Mazryonh
2013-11-14, 00:59
the only way I can see Kazusa bearing Haruki's child outside of her own route is through artificial insemination.
But Setsuna's the kind of person who would approve thisI was under the impression that the Uwaki route included 18+ material for both heroines, providing plenty of opportunity for the natural route. Setsuna just might be deluded enough to give Kazusa a "consolation prize" in this manner, though.
There's a saying among fans. Setsuna's ending is the one fitting for Maruto, but Kazusa's ending is the one fitting for White Album
I think that Setsuna does show signs of being a wish-fulfillment heroine (technically eroge are all wish-fulfillment media at a certain base level)--she's the most approachable of the "bishoujo" at Houjou Gakuen, and can easily pull off a major transformation from a frumpy grocery store worker to a dazzling karaoke beauty (I bet there are plenty of men in Japan who are wondering if the women in their local "super"--the Japanese term for a supermarket--could pull off a transformation like Setsuna did). There's nothing she wouldn't do for her friends. She's the perfect specimen for the hordes of disaffected and disempowered "herbivore men" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men) in Japan.
Realistically, someone like Setsuna would have been approached by suitors lining up out the door throughout her school career (barring things like a slander campaign), and, due to that, likely have a boyfriend by the time she and Haruki started to associate. Attractive people, just like attractive assets, nearly always have a lot of competition for them.
(Sadly the situation is much bleaker in real-life Japan with regards to romance and marriage. You can read about how an alarmingly large portion of the Japanese population have given up on intimate relationships and marriage here (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex). Essentially, a combination of cultural and economic factors have rendered non-fiction love and marriage to become "not worth the trouble anymore.")
Kazusa at least knows how to stand up for herself and doesn't need her social circle to be perfect to be happy. She also seems far more interested in Haruki as a person--she shares parts of his mindset, she wants to (and has tried to) nurture his own musical talents, and they like working honestly together, unlike Setsuna who in my view so far largely wants Haruki because he looks like someone she could replicate her own happy family with, rather than bothering to learn more about him and his worldview. Setsuna looks to me like she fell more in love with her deluded image of Haruki as the perfect man and the perfect life she'd want to spend with him, rather than the reality. If Haruki and Setsuna did indeed get married and start a family, I'd foresee a divorce between them because of this lack of honestly seeing Haruki for what he truly is.
hoooo.... I never played his previous game such as kono aozora so I don't know much about his style....well after all Setsuna is the character he made so maybe he made her route to be the most fitting for him after being teased on by himself throughout the series lol
last time I'm arguing with myself about whose true route fit the best for this game and confused by myself seeing the well-balanced of the game hinting both of the heroines can fit it, but if many fans thought that Kazusa route to be the true fitting end for White Album 2, I'm so glad lol and I have searched many points and managed to find some points in Kazusa favor too...
The funny thing is that while Maruto Fumiaki might be obsessed with Setsuna as his dream girl and will likely declare her route the canon ending, we the fans get to make our own choices in that department.
Key Board
2013-11-15, 11:15
hoooo.... I never played his previous game such as kono aozora so I don't know much about his style....well after all Setsuna is the character he made so maybe he made her route to be the most fitting for him after being teased on by himself throughout the series lol
last time I'm arguing with myself about whose true route fit the best for this game and confused by myself seeing the well-balanced of the game hinting both of the heroines can fit it, but if many fans thought that Kazusa route to be the true fitting end for White Album 2, I'm so glad lol and I have searched many points and managed to find some points in Kazusa favor too...
Well, there are Kazusa main archetypes in some of his earlier games too.
It's more about the theme. He seems to prefer the "EVERYONE solves the main heroine's problem" theme. The closest ending to that is Setsuna's (no, Coda isn't about Setsuna's problems)
That's what they mean by fitting for Maruto / Maruto-rashii
As for me.
It's not the happiest ending, but the fitting ending for WA2 is Kazusa. I'll argue with anyone who says otherwise
I have a lot of ammo
Look at the backgrounds of the two true ending credits
One is just normal background and the other is obv prettier
Key Board
2013-11-17, 10:14
That's the first time I've heard someone use that excuse.
but yes, falling/melting snow is prettier I suppose
and better fonts
Look at the backgrounds of the two true ending credits
One is just normal background and the other is obv prettier
Not only is this true, but in the PC version, you can only unlock Touma's normal and true route in Coda. Touma is the hinted true girl of the series by the producers/designers. Touma's ending emblem is not only the prettiest of all the other heroines, her ending also says White Album 2 Coda while everyone else's just say closing chapter. Touma's ending credits is a lot better written and designed than any other heroine. Coda may be defined as "the concluding passage of a piece or movement, typically forming an addition to the basic structure."
While I support both heroines, maybe Touma a little more, I think they should change the ending for Setsuna in Touma's true ending, since it basically wanted me to break my computer. Which I think they did in this version.
In the anime, they use Touma's true ending color scheme as the opening, and played coda song in ep 2, which tells me that if they do get to do animate a second season for CC and Coda, they will go with Touma's true ending. The adaptation is going fine so far so its alright..
Key Board
2013-11-17, 10:50
eeeh.. I'm pretty sure Setsuna True also has the Coda emblem. It's just at the end instead of the start.
I think, thematically, color-wise Kazusa is black. Setsuna is white.
Kazusa is "Winter". Setsuna is "Sunset"
But I really don't think color choices are an ending indication.
Kazusa coda is the fitting ending to based on themes within the story, not graphic design.
eeeh.. I'm pretty sure Setsuna True also has the Coda emblem. It's just at the end instead of the start.
But yes, color-wise Kazusa is black. Setsuna is white. But I really don't think color choices are an ending indication.
Kazusa coda is the fitting ending to based on themes within the story, not graphic design.
Setsuna does not have the Coda emblem nor does her true end say Coda in it, Setsuna's true end says closing chapter... By color scheme, I meant in the game Touma has a black/orangeish scheme, while every other heroine has white/black. In the game, they use a black/orangeish color scheme as Touma's ending , much like how the sun sets. While the anime adaptation also uses Touma's scheme, rather than white/black.
If I had my desktop, I would honestly go back in the game to load all my saves to show pictures of each true ending and we can compare how they each look.
Even if you do argue these facts, why is Touma normal & true route closed in every game other than Coda, which also leads to why her true ending emblem, credits, and her White Album logo is completely different than all the other's true ending emblem, credits, and White Album logo. The answer is, the producers/designers are hinting that Touma is the true ending girl.
Comparison between CC and Coda:
CC:
Setsuna has a normal ending
There is no Touma ending you can take
Coda:
Setsuna normal & true ending
Touma normal & true ending only in Coda.
It makes Touma, the odd one out.
Touma's true ending in Coda
http://youtu.be/aNMg61-UJnU
Setsuna's true ending in Coda
http://youtu.be/zIPHCmX4xBM
Key Board
2013-11-17, 11:00
Ok, well.. you're dedicated and have an eye for graphic design detail. xd
I prefer to look at things from a story telling angle.
If I were to summarize things, though
Kazusa Coda is the only route where both Kazusa and Haruki actively make a decision, even if it's the "wrong" kind
Setsuna true is main character role baton pass from Haruki to Setsuna
Kazusa normal is Kazusa wussing out again / IC redux
Ok, well.. you're dedicated and have an eye for graphic design detail. xd
I prefer to look at things from a story telling angle.
If I were to summarize things, though
Kazusa Coda is the only route where both Kazusa and Haruki actively make a decision, even if it's the "wrong" kind
Setsuna true is main character role baton pass from Haruki to Setsuna
Kazusa normal is Kazusa wussing out again / IC redux
Rather than dedicated, I don't like to lose in an debate.
The story angle can be taken in many different ways with all the endings you can take, though like others have said, Touma's true ending in probably the one that is most fitting for White Album... Which also takes me back to the design and details, which the producers made different because her ending is the true ending due to how it's different than everyone elses.
Even if they did do it by a story angle, they should have made Setsuna's endings the same way as Touma's so the true girl wasn't as obvious, but sadly they did not and just made Touma stand out above the rest..
If you look at it like a treasure map, every route will lead you to a small treasure, but Touma's route will lead you to the biggest treasure, meaning whoever made the map obviously made Touma's route the best choice to take to lead to the ending they wanted.
Key Board
2013-11-17, 11:19
Rather than dedicated, I don't like to lose in an debate.
The story angle can be taken in many different ways with all the endings you can take, though like others have said, Touma's true ending in probably the one that is most fitting for White Album... Which also takes me back to the design and details, which the producers made different because her ending is the true ending due to how it's different than everyone elses.
Even if they did do it by a story angle, they should have made Setsuna's endings the same way as Touma's so the true girl wasn't as obvious, but sadly they did not and just made Touma stand out above the rest..
If you look at it like a treasure map, every route will lead you to a small treasure, but Touma's route will lead you to the biggest treasure, meaning whoever made the map obviously made Touma's route the best choice to take to lead to the ending they wanted.
well..true if we go by ending numbers, than Coda has 4 endings and 3 of them lead back to Setsuna by default
They are certainly making a statement
To me it's saying "you have to earn your ending with Kazusa"
I agree with your treasure map theory, but I'm sure a Setsuna fan could argue something else
That's why I don't use that argument
on another note, I'm surprised that you watch Valvrave in addition to White Album 2. I've seen you on VVV threads, but never in the WA2 threads
well..true if we go by ending numbers, than Coda has 4 endings and 3 of them lead back to Setsuna by default
They are certainly making a statement
To me it's saying "you have to earn your ending with Kazusa"
I agree with your treasure map theory, but I'm sure a Setsuna fan could argue something else
That's why I don't use that argument
on another note, I'm surprised that you watch Valvrave in addition to White Album 2. I've seen you on VVV threads, but never in the WA2 threads
Nail on the head.. Honestly, their only feigning ignorance...
If I posted in the WA2 threads in the current series, I would be banned because of the spoilers I would post, but there is one thing I pointed out in the latest episode and it was their necklaces.
Wow, I went back to watch it and I just noticed their necklaces during the concert. Touma and Setsuna's emblems are both different and one of theirs is very distinguishing. Huge hint to those who played the game. They also made so many close up shots on their necklaces that I was surprised that I missed it.
For those that missed it, its at 1:17ish for Setsuna and 1:30ish for Touma
It was only for a brief moment and they fixed it during the concert, but I take this as a hint for what ending they will go for in the anime adaptation. You should go back and look at it, its clearly at the same distance of camera angle between the two, but something is clearly different. For Setsuna its like 1:10ish -1:20ish and Touma is 1:30ish.
Key Board
2013-11-17, 11:32
pretty sure they both wear snowflake emblems
what's the deal?
edit: oh, ok I see it now. Setsuna's look more like an err.. Jewish star.
pretty sure they both wear snowflake emblems
what's the deal?
Here you go..It goes back to the emblem argument. Touma's necklace emblem at the start is White Album's true emblem, While Setsuna's is only her is Coda's true ending emblem. The designers also put more work into Touma's and not only that Setsuna has a closer shot, and yet they still make it look like crap. Which tells me that if they do get enough sales to make a second season, they will go with Touma's true end. Satelight loves foreshadowing, they do it almost every episode, and I think this is a subtle foreshadow hint.
In the earlier episodes when they went to the karoke bar, they showed IC's ending with Haruki and Setsuna waving off the plane in which Touma is in. If you look at the tv's outline it looks exactly like Haruki and Setsuna. The TV also displayed the kiss scene where Haruki and Touma had kissed and Setsuna saw. (reference to how he cheats on Setsuna via feelings by loving Touma for real and not really Setsuna.)
http://i39.tinypic.com/28vvalt.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/2qbgluh.jpg
Key Board
2013-11-17, 11:46
I didn't even know CC had an emblem
It almost makes me want to replay the game and scrutinize the visual cues
I didn't even know CC had an emblem
It almost makes me want to replay the game and scrutinize the visual cues
That's a typeo :P I meant Coda's true ending for Setsuna.. My bad..
Key Board
2013-11-17, 12:02
I agree that the karaoke scenes are either foreshadowing or blatant trolling
But I still think you're over-thinking the emblem thing
I agree that the karaoke scenes are either foreshadowing or blatant trolling
But I still think you're over-thinking the emblem thing
Not at all, why would they make sure the animation is focused on the emblem during those times. Not only that they do it for Setsuna, they do the same thing with Touma but make her emblem a lot prettier than Setsuna's. You can say they got lazy, but then why would they correct it later in the show.
Its either the director likes Touma better and will go her route
Or
The director is going Touma's Coda True ending route.
Bleh... They deleted my post in the WA2 anime thread because I posted the same pictures and said "To those who played the game and completely beat it, this should be obvious."
The director is going Touma's Coda True ending route.
Honestly feels like a stretch... and I would hope they don't go Touma's Coda true ending, because that was the least satisfying of the endings in terms of resolution (and this is from a Touma fan).
Honestly feels like a stretch... and I would hope they don't go Touma's Coda true ending, because that was the least satisfying of the endings in terms of resolution (and this is from a Touma fan).
I honestly don't care which route they are taking, I'm just speculating based on facts from the game and anime. I would rather have a good Setsuna adaptation than a crappy Touma adaptation, it goes vice versa. As long as it is adapted fine, I won't care. Also, the only way we will know if it will take Touma's route is if the sales go well enough for a 2nd season, other than that, the anime will end in Setsuna's favor since Touma leaves with her mom.
Key Board
2013-11-17, 12:59
Honestly feels like a stretch... and I would hope they don't go Touma's Coda true ending, because that was the least satisfying of the endings in terms of resolution (and this is from a Touma fan).
I'd say it resolved a lot things. Just not in happy happy sunshine matter.
Example:
Kazusa always has to consider Haruki and Setsuna's interest. So she's always holding back at her own expense, and she always runs away at the end.
It's only in Kazusa True that she manages to say yes, I want you. In fact, I only want you. I don't need Setsuna. Yes this will hurt people. Yes, I'm a bad person and I love you goddammit.
She matures into a person that is willing to embrace her own sins.
And accompanying that growth, she finally lets's go of her mother
and she finally catches up to her mother during her last performance. (her performance is rated to be on par with golden age Youko)
This only happens in Kazusa True
but all of this comes from the resolve to take Haruki and not be half assed about it.
think about it
definitely not your typical storybook aesop
I honestly don't care which route they are taking, I'm just speculating based on facts from the game and anime. I would rather have a good Setsuna adaptation than a crappy Touma adaptation, it goes vice versa. As long as it is adapted fine, I won't care.
I do care, because it's the route that's going to leave the impression on the most fans of the series (because more people watch anime than play games), so picking a route that rounds the story best with all the characters is the one they should strive for as it will leave the best impression for the franchise.
I'd say it resolved a lot things. Just not in happy happy sunshine matter.
All 3 of the coda endings don't resolve in a "happy happy sunshine" manner. The point is Kazusa's is more of an ending that tailors specifically to Kazusa, at the expense of everyone else. It's the most "happy" of the endings to me, and that is why I don't like it as much because that makes it just as unrealistic. It basically tosses aside the past 5 years and ends with Haruki and Touma flying off "happily" into the sunset.
And disagree about the growth as well. Kazusa's growth is the most splendid in "To you, my sworn enemy."
Also in the most vn the true heroine is the center of the cover
I'd say it resolved a lot things. Just not in happy happy sunshine matter.
Example:
Kazusa always has to consider Haruki and Setsuna's interest. So she's always holding back at her own expense, and she always runs away at the end.
It's only in Kazusa True that she manages to say yes, I want you. In fact, I only want you. I don't need Setsuna. Yes this will hurt people. Yes, I'm a bad person and I love you goddammit.
She matures into a person that is willing to embrace her own sins.
And accompanying that growth, she finally lets's go of her mother
and she finally catches up to her mother during her last performance. (her performance is rated to be on par with golden age Youko)
This only happens in Kazusa True
but all of this comes from the resolve to take Haruki and not be half assed about it.
think about it
definitely not your typical storybook aesop
I enjoyed it also, rather I wished they did change Setsuna's ending in Touma's true so she wasn't soo....... The fact that they had a 2 year later time skip and had Setsuna send a video of her being mentally unstable and playing Haruki's guitar to Haruki and Touma who were happily living in Strasbourg was way over the line.
I do care, because it's the route that's going to leave the impression on the most fans of the series (because more people watch anime than play games), so picking a route that rounds the story best with all the characters is the one they should strive for as it will leave the best impression for the franchise.
All 3 of the coda endings don't resolve in a "happy happy sunshine" manner. The point is Kazusa's is more of an ending that tailors specifically to Kazusa, at the expense of everyone else. It's the most "happy" of the endings to me, and that is why I don't like it as much because that makes it just as unrealistic. It basically tosses aside the past 5 years and ends with Haruki and Touma flying off "happily" into the sunset.
And disagree about the growth as well. Kazusa's growth is the most splendid in "To you, my sworn enemy."
Touma's route was not the most happiest, if you want to take all the characters to be factored in it. What you're preaching does not go with what you believe in... You say you don't want the happiest ending, yet Touma's ending is the complete opposite of that. The only ones who are happy in Touma's ending are Touma and Haruki. That is more realistic than Setsuna's ending where almost everyone is happy except for Touma. Touma's true had plenty of resolution.. In fact, it's probably the best endings than all of the other true endings.
Key Board
2013-11-17, 13:20
ll 3 of the coda endings don't resolve in a "happy happy sunshine" manner. The point is Kazusa's is more of an ending that tailors specifically to Kazusa, at the expense of everyone else. It's the most "happy" of the endings to me, and that is why I don't like it as much because that makes it just as unrealistic. It basically tosses aside the past 5 years and ends with Haruki and Touma flying off "happily" into the sunset
I would say the most "happy" of the endings is Setsuna's ending. That's Disney grade happiness.
"happy" is not what I would use to describe Kazusa's ending
Kazusa coda is bitter sweet. Haruki and Kazusa paid a very huge price for their ending. They say it themselves. No matter how happy they are, it will not reverse the sadness they have created. Inversely, no matter how sad it is, it will not erase their happiness
About those 5 years. You have to remember that too much of those 5 years were built on top of Kazusa. Every moment with Setsuna only served to anchor him to Kazusa. (He mentions this himself) His career started from a report on Kazusa and his current assignment comes because he was her classmate.
From the start the foundation was already wrong, so it's only fitting if he returned it all to Kazusa at the end
And disagree about the growth as well. Kazusa's growth is the most splendid in "To you, my sworn enemy."
That's an interesting route, but it's basically Kazusa running away and regretting things again. It's basically the end of IC part 2
I enjoyed it also, rather I wished they did change Setsuna's ending in Touma's true so she wasn't soo....... The fact that they had a 2 year later time skip and had Setsuna send a video of her being mentally unstable and playing Haruki's guitar to Haruki and Touma who were happily living in Strasbourg was way over the line.
Maruto: At the end of Kazusa's Coda, Setsuna's mind and body are one. Ie: she came out better after the ordeal.
Leon_Lelouch
2013-11-17, 15:06
considering about the ending
how about the difference of the true ending for both Setsuna and Kazusa
Setsuna showing their future when the song was being sung while Kazusa's true route showed epilogue just like the other character's ending (then again Kazusa's true route showing the last CG of Setsuna rather than Kazusa and Haruki)
well yeah, I have a thought that the design for Kazusa's ending is better than Setsuna itself
Well, there are Kazusa main archetypes in some of his earlier games too.
It's more about the theme. He seems to prefer the "EVERYONE solves the main heroine's problem" theme. The closest ending to that is Setsuna's (no, Coda isn't about Setsuna's problems)
That's what they mean by fitting for Maruto / Maruto-rashii
As for me.
It's not the happiest ending, but the fitting ending for WA2 is Kazusa. I'll argue with anyone who says otherwise
I have a lot of ammo
Yeah, from my POV too I believe that Kazusa is the true route of all, as the the story itself is not revolving around Setsuna (where in Setsuna route, Setsuna became the main character instead of Haruki), but in Kazusa's route it's both Haruki and Kazusa's decision that played a big role
I have some ammo that can indicate Kazusa's as the true too, but also some for Setsuna lol...
Also in the most vn the true heroine is the center of the cover
While it's true that Kazusa is at the center of the cover but it can also be said that most true heroine is introduced as the first one which is in this series is Setsuna (look at the official website, or even in the ending credits)
Hmmm, well happy ending can have many kind of meanings according to themselves, while it's true that Kazusa's true end leads to many people become unhappy (Setsuna losing Haruki, Takeya lose his best friends, Setsuna's family being betrayed and such) but it's the happiness between Haruki and Kazusa which made it a big decision for them (he will definitely hurt someone, but even if it's like that he still choose the path with less pain for him and it's to choose one person which is Kazusa rather than many other people)
Well it's just as Keyboard said, maybe Setsuna's end can lead to everyone being happy just as what Setsuna wants and Maruto's style (how she still want to save Haruki's relationship with his mother at the ending) it's the save them all ending while Kazusa ending is only about the happiness between the two of them
then again even Haruki's VA (Mizushima Takahiro) chose Koharu's end as the one he would like as it hurts Haruki less than any other route rather than Setsuna's end
some hints that I got for choosing Kazusa is just like what I had posted before.... there's a pretty big chance that there's actually coda version of each heroines (not only just Setsuna) as long as Haruki works in Kaiohsha Graphs, it will lead him to meet Kazusa at Strasbourg no matter what... (even their VA, Mizushima Takahiro, Yonezawa Madoka, and Nabatame Hitomi ever spoke about that topic but Haruki's VA decline it as it won't be fair if there's Kazusa but no Setsuna, in the radio)
another thing is about that....fake....choice....which we can't choose no matter what we do in the closing chapter....
even my posting about the difference in the game that actually not a spoiler at all and how I comment about Setsuna's declaring 'Sound of Destiny" had been deleted too.... oh well
Circlebutton
2013-11-17, 15:09
Hey guys. I've started playing the PC version last week and got suckered into going for Chiaki's route first. Ahahaha... haha... ha ...goddamn it.
The fact that they had a 2 year later time skip and had Setsuna send a video of her being mentally unstable and playing Haruki's guitar to Haruki and Touma who were happily living in Strasbourg was way over the line.
How was she mentally unstable? She looked like she recovered from the events of 2 years ago and was finally able to face them again.
Touma's route was not the most happiest, if you want to take all the characters to be factored in it.
Happiness is not everyone happy, it's the two being happy... and that can never really happen simply in a story like WA2. So in Touma's route, just cutting ties with everyone and running away by themselves is an "easy" happiness. It is the easy solution, one that could have been done at any time throughout WA2, and ignores everything that happened before.
I would say the most "happy" of the endings is Setsuna's ending.
It was sweet, it made everyone happy, but for a Setsuna route, it wasn't unexpected... it just built on what has been happening since CC, unlike Touma's route, which should have addressed/crushed everything and made it work between them, but instead just had them run off to another country.
Kazusa coda is bitter sweet. Haruki and Kazusa paid a very huge price for their ending.
Did they really? It was the same price that Kazusa paid all those years ago when she ran off by herself... and 2 years later in the epilogue you can see it wasn't a complete loss.
About those 5 years. You have to remember that too much of those 5 years were built on top of Kazusa. Every moment with Setsuna only served to anchor him to Kazusa. (He mentions this himself) His career started from a report on Kazusa and his current assignment comes because he was her classmate.
From the start the foundation was already wrong, so it's only fitting if he returned it all to Kazusa at the end
I interpret it the other way, it's because all of those links keep on reminding him of Kazusa that he could not get rid of her. And that was the point of Setsuna's ending in CC... he finally realizes that he has the strength to make a decision and move on in his life, and that life involves Setsuna.
That's an interesting route, but it's basically Kazusa running away and regretting things again. It's basically the end of IC part 2
She can't run away when she's already gone. :heh:
Not that she ran away anyway... that was the only route that had her face her problems and actually solve them.
How was she mentally unstable? She looked like she recovered from the events of 2 years ago and was finally able to face them again.
Happiness is not everyone happy, it's the two being happy... and that can never really happen simply in a story like WA2. So in Touma's route, just cutting ties with everyone and running away by themselves is an "easy" happiness. It is the easy solution, one that could have been done at any time throughout WA2, and ignores everything that happened before.
It was sweet, it made everyone happy, but for a Setsuna route, it wasn't unexpected... it just built on what has been happening since CC, unlike Touma's route, which should have addressed/crushed everything and made it work between them, but instead just had them run off to another country.
Did they really? It was the same price that Kazusa paid all those years ago when she ran off by herself... and 2 years later in the epilogue you can see it wasn't a complete loss.
I interpret it the other way, it's because all of those links keep on reminding him of Kazusa that he could not get rid of her. And that was the point of Setsuna's ending in CC... he finally realizes that he has the strength to make a decision and move on in his life, and that life involves Setsuna.
She can't run away when she's already gone. :heh:
Not that she ran away anyway... that was the only route that had her face her problems and actually solve them.
Cutting ties with your family and friends is the easy choice in life for one person? I doubt it...The only way they manage to do that was because how much they loved each other. You want a happy ending with complete resolution much like oreimo. Like keyboard said, that's Disney grade happiness.
If you were mentally and emotionally stable, would you linger on to feelings you had two years ago and put effort into making a video playing your ex's guitar and then sending the video to your ex. Hell, I don't know about you but that sounds crazy to me..
@Circlebutton
Hahaha.. have fun!
You want a happy ending with complete resolution much like oreimo. Like keyboard said, that's Disney grade happiness.
Again, it's not about happy or unhappy, it's about resolving your problems instead of cutting them all and running away... which is what they did in Kazusa's true route.
If you were mentally and emotionally stable, would you linger on to feelings you had two years ago and put effort into making a video playing your ex's guitar and then sending the video to your ex. Hell, I don't know about you but that sounds crazy to me..
Or you know, we can take the more sane interpretation, and she is showing proof that she's been able to move on because she can play Haruki's guitar and is able to show herself to her true friends again.
Don't forget that guitar with that song was a source of trauma for Setsuna all throughout CC... the fact that she got over it and is able to face it again as well as the song means she was able to finally move on.
Key Board
2013-11-17, 22:48
it was sweet, it made everyone happy, but for a Setsuna route, it wasn't unexpected... it just built on what has been happening since CC, unlike Touma's route, which should have addressed/crushed everything and made it work between them, but instead just had them run off to another country.
Haruki and Kazusa resolved their feelings for each other. But their decision is something they can not resolve with Japanese society.
And the point is that "3 of us together doesn't work" and they can't force it to work. It didn't work 5 years ago. It's not going to work now. The point is that no matter how hard Setsuna believes in it and tries to make it work, Haruki and Kazusa do not. And they can not force Io or Tomo or Takeya to be happy about their decision.
Edit: I would also like to point you to the official alternate story Twinkle Snow where Setsuna doesn't pre-empt Kazusa and she ends up going out with Haruki. They try to force the "3 of us together" in that story. It still fails because Setsuna is willing to "go down in flames and take everyone with her" And that's what would have happened in Kazusa Coda if they agreed to keep Setsuna in their life.
Did they really? It was the same price that Kazusa paid all those years ago when she ran off by herself... and 2 years later in the epilogue you can see it wasn't a complete loss.
She left her mother and she almost gave up piano to appease Setsuna. For someone with a small world this means a lot. It's a point in her coda that she is capable of giving up everything, while Setsuna can not.
I interpret it the other way, it's because all of those links keep on reminding him of Kazusa that he could not get rid of her. And that was the point of Setsuna's ending in CC... he finally realizes that he has the strength to make a decision and move on in his life, and that life involves Setsuna. It's a no risk choice because Kazusa is back in his life and he has nothing to lose. Compare this to Kazusa Coda were he was willing to pay the price. It does not sit well to me because even in Setsuna's coda he clearly loves Kazuss more than Setsuna. He loved Kazusa first. And he never lost interest during those 5 years. And if take his words in Kazusa normal at face value, every-time he touched Setsuna, Kazusa never left his mind. But when he was with Kazusa the opposite does not apply.
As said I can accept understand him throwing him 5 years away because it was built on Kazusa
He can not do the reverse and throw away Kazusa for 5 years away
and that's why Setsuna true gave him a solution to that
That's why his request to Setsuna in Setsuna true was please create a place where Kazusa can be happy in Japan.
It was ALWAYS about Kazusa
So then which makes more sense as far the story goes?
Not that she ran away anyway... that was the only route that had her face her problems and actually solve them.
She was forced to accept terms of surrender.
White Album 2 is really about responsibility vs personal happiness
As someone else said, Haruki chose Kazusa over Setsuna in IC, but didn't have the means to be by her side, and Haruki chose Kazusa in her true route but this time with a final conviction that forces him to burn bridges all around him. It's the wrong choice, Kazusa is ALWAYS the "wrong" choice but this is exactly where the story needs to be headed to make it go full circle.
Even in Setsuna's route, all of Coda is about Kazusa and how her reappearance in Haruki's life changes everything. So it's kind of a problem that him and his ties with Kazusa are basically left on the roadside for a straight and very uneventful line towards happy marriage.
then again even Haruki's VA (Mizushima Takahiro) chose Koharu's end as the one he would like as it hurts Haruki less than any other route rather than Setsuna's end
I see his point. Koharu is a clean break. Chiaki and Mari can be as well, but Chiki is well.. you know.. and Mari reminds him too much of Kazusa (same problem as Setsuna)
My favorite ending:
After their wild escape into the snowy lands, the two part ways at the train station. Rather, one made the decision to go and the other was left behind.
Days later, he attends her performance by invitation, to find the girl that he has betrayed multiple times. They listened, cried, and he was left alone again in the end.
Years pass. He enters a local club one night, because she will be there singing. He listens quietly behind the cheering crowd, she sings brilliantly on the stage.
He leaves before the show ends, walking into a world that has once again begun to snow.
Powder Snow begins with the credits.
-The end-
This would be the last few CGs in the PC ver, minus the very last one.
Key Board
2013-11-18, 02:02
so a modification for the cheating route finale?
but yes, Powder Snow is the staple way to end WhiteAlbum
Leon_Lelouch
2013-11-18, 09:38
lol, the cheating route of pc version without that last CG.... I really think that it's good to be that way but than my imagination crushed down after that CG was being shown...
@carolrukawa
If you kindly wait for another or two years, I think I could finish all of the translation... if I work by myself....:(
White Album 2 is more revolving around Kazusa rather than Setsuna I think, one of my points in saying it is because Kazusa "can" move on.... She became mature in every route in coda (leaving Haruki as she understand that happiness is not always to be by their side if it leads to breaking her loved one, accepting Haruki and Setsuna and stay in Japan even though it's painful for her to look at them and the promise of staying as the three of them while the two of them would be marrying and she would be left alone, and deciding to leave everything and said to Haruki to betray Setsuna (Nabatame-san, Kazusa's VA liked this scene the most as the word of Kazusa when saying to Haruki to betray Setsuna is heavy) she also ready in taking the sins for doing it, she's ready in throwing another important thing of her which is piano in order to choose Haruki)
while Setsuna, in any routes looks like to be persistent in staying as the three of them, even in Kazusa's true ending she still persistently loving Haruki (and if I guess it not wrongly, she even studied their language (?))
Additionally, from IC until the end of coda Haruki still got hurt badly when there's a chance for Kazusa to be with other guys (in the first time meeting with Kazusa in Strasbourg and in the true end of Setsuna when Kazusa said the chance for her to love another guy and Haruki became shocked)
looks like we need more Setsuna fans to open up more arguments lol
carolrukawa
2013-11-18, 11:01
@leon lelouch
sure i can wait for you to translate the game.. i'll just enjoy the anime for now. hopefully the directors will choose touma's route!!!
Key Board
2013-11-18, 11:06
Powder Snow is like Whitney Houston's "I will always love you"
It's not a song you play at weddings. (If you have a friend that wants to do this, let them know)
It's actually a "goodbye, I will always keep you in my mind" song
When someone performs it, they are not saying "I will be back, so be be prepared"
"Cheating route" huh? :P
I'd like to imagine that it's the true ending that he wanted to have before someone, or even himself, made him turn it into a "happy" ending.
Maybe there is is a similar ending. I kinda followed walkthroughs so I didn't see any of the "bad" ends...
The point is that no matter how hard Setsuna believes in it and tries to make it work, Haruki and Kazusa do not.
And therin lies the problem with the Kazusa route. They both were so set on it not working and left everyone to do it. Haruki asked Kazusa many times to try and resolve things while staying in Japan. Kazusa is the one that refused to do it, and Haruki as a sign of love sacrifices everything to accompany her.
That is exactly what I mean by running away.
She left her mother and she almost gave up piano to appease Setsuna.
Did she? Or did she give up her own mother because she herself couldn't deal with her feelings for Haruki in a world where Setsuna existed? It's a bit of a leap to completely paint Kazusa as the tragic heroine.
It's a no risk choice because Kazusa is back in his life and he has nothing to lose.
When does Haruki ever "have nothing to lose?" The whole point of his drama is that he has plenty to lose on both sides, and that is why each decision he makes causes him suffering.
But when he was with Kazusa the opposite does not apply.
Not true. In the coda his guilt over being with Kazusa and betraying her eats him up in the cheating route and leaves him psychologically damaged.
He can not do the reverse and throw away Kazusa for 5 years away
Uhh... but that's essentially what he did from CC to the start of coda. :heh:
Think about it... if that fateful encounter in Strasbourg never happened, where would he be?
It was ALWAYS about Kazusa
Not saying Haruki doesn't have a scar in his heart with Kazusa in it that he carries forever, but scars heal in time. And with time, he too, learned to heal.
She was forced to accept terms of surrender.
That's a funny way of putting it, when it was the only time she called Setsuna out and berated her on how her relationship with Haruki was. Kazusa chose that path, and gave Haruki to Setsuna because like she said, "only she can heal you, I cannot."
Kazusa is ALWAYS the "wrong" choice but this is exactly where the story needs to be headed to make it go full circle.
The start of all of this was the dispute was Kazusa's end was the most unrealistic end possible for WA2 (not that Setsuna's would be better), not about which heroine is "wrong" or "right."
Key Board
2013-11-19, 01:58
"Cheating route" huh? :P
I'd like to imagine that it's the true ending that he wanted to have before someone, or even himself, made him turn it into a "happy" ending.That's what some of us call it among the fan circles (uwaki route). But yes, I agree with you that the bit at the end seems.. added?
And therin lies the problem with the Kazusa route. They both were so set on it not working and left everyone to do it. Haruki asked Kazusa many times to try and resolve things while staying in Japan. Kazusa is the one that refused to do it, and Haruki as a sign of love sacrifices everything to accompany her.
That is exactly what I mean by running away.
They ran away because it's a problem they can not "resolve" with their current environment. What else could have they done after that? Would staying in that city after breaking up with Setsuna be any better? As Setsuna's father said. As long as they lived in the same city, they would be a chance for them to run into each other and further hurt his daughter. Or should they have let Setsuna come with them to Vienna like she insisted?
I'd like to hear your ideas on how to do a Kazusa ending without resorting to that, if you have any
Did she? Or did she give up her own mother because she herself couldn't deal with her feelings for Haruki in a world where Setsuna existed? It's a bit of a leap to completely paint Kazusa as the tragic heroine.
That's part of it, but she still chose Haruki over her mother. And tragic heroine isn't my angle either. My point is that Kazusa is willing to do crazy things for Haruki that Setsuna is unable to. Setsuna HERSELF points this out.. My point is that Kazusa is willing to pay a price. Setsuna is not.
When does Haruki ever "have nothing to lose?" The whole point of his drama is that he has plenty to lose on both sides, and that is why each decision he makes causes him suffering.
He doesn't have to lose Kazusa in Setsuna's true ending. His request to Setsuna was to find a way for Kazusa to be happy in Japan. In the end Kazusa is back in his life. Not only that, they are back as a trinity. He had nothing to lose in that route.
Not true. In the coda his guilt over being with Kazusa and betraying her eats him up in the cheating route and leaves him psychologically damaged.
Rather than guilt, the problem is he became intoxicated with Kazusa, and Kazusa thinks that's not in character for Haruki. He freaking "married" her in that route. He was willing to follow her, but she wouldn't let him keep this decision. (Because he clearly was not putting any thought to this unlike Kazusa true)
As said in this route, whenever he was with Setsuna he always thought about Kazusa. When he was with Kazusa during those affair days he did not once think of Setsuna. As he himself put it, "it was a complete betrayal from his heart"
He says it himself during one of the sex scenes inner monologue
"As long as I have Kazusa, I am not afraid of anything. I don't need anything. Not the Kazusa's concert. Not my job. Not Setsuna"
While he was with Kazusa he did not feel any guilt at all. It's actually Kazusa that feels guilty about this, not Haruki.
Uhh... but that's essentially what he did from CC to the start of coda.
Think about it... if that fateful encounter in Strasbourg never happened, where would he be?
With Setsuna, but the point is that even while he was with Setuna he NEVER stopped thinking about Kazusa. All those years he never let go. Those 5 years were built on top of Kazusa.
http://i.imgur.com/uZ1PtW0.jpgWhen he was finally given the choice of either losing Kazusa again, abandoning Kazusa was never any of his options.
and on the contrary abandoning 5 years for Kazusa is an option. It says a lot when he is willing to burn bridges with everyone else for Kazusa, but he is not willing to burn bridges with Kazusa for everyone else.
Not saying Haruki doesn't have a scar in his heart with Kazusa in it that he carries forever, but scars heal in time. And with time, he too, learned to heal.
I think it's unfair to call it just a scar. There a generous amount of love and yearning in there too.
Incidentally, time goes on but Winter always returns. There are certain things time can not erase
That's a funny way of putting it, when it was the only time she called Setsuna out and berated her on how her relationship with Haruki was. Kazusa chose that path, and gave Haruki to Setsuna because like she said, "only she can heal you, I cannot."
True, Kazusa has lacks the self confidence courage to carry out things. Especially when it comes to Setuna. It's only in her own route that she says "I will protect you this time" to Haruki. (regardless if she can back it up on the long run or not) One more reason I prefer her character development in this route.
The start of all of this was the dispute was Kazusa's end was the most unrealistic end possible for WA2 (not that Setsuna's would be better), not about which heroine is "wrong" or "right."
It was? I thought the issue was about resolving things? And I'm not talking about "wrong" or "right" either
My argument is that Kazusa's route resolves the core themes set by the plot, and while it does not resolve some other plot lines, it's only because it adheres to it's own logic. That being "what didn't work 5 years ago between the 3 can not be forced to work now"
carolrukawa
2013-11-19, 04:08
Gosh i wish i played the game so i could join this discussion
Circlebutton
2013-11-19, 06:53
So it took me the entirety of the closing chapter to realize Koharu's name is a bit of a meaningful wordplay...
About to start coda soon. Just watching Setsuna in the other routes is really heartbreaking. So far everything feels cookie cutter down to the plot twists, yet here I am still glued to the screen :heh: Something about how the story unfolds makes it hard to put down. This is an amazing VN, no doubt.
carolrukawa
2013-11-19, 10:22
is this VN playable in mac?
Leon_Lelouch
2013-11-20, 04:41
And therin lies the problem with the Kazusa route. They both were so set on it not working and left everyone to do it. Haruki asked Kazusa many times to try and resolve things while staying in Japan. Kazusa is the one that refused to do it, and Haruki as a sign of love sacrifices everything to accompany her.
That is exactly what I mean by running away.
I don't think it can be interpret as running away...
Haruki had made a decision and had already confront with every other people that was related to him in Kazusa route (Takeya and friends, Ogiso's family)
Kazusa herself had talked too with Setsuna as she's the only one that close with Kazusa in Japan that she needed to talk to
If they choose to stay in Japan, it'd just probably hurt Setsuna just like how when Kazusa being hurt when Haruki was with Setsuna, that's why they chose to leave Japan, living overseas had less chance in meeting than living in the same country
If they stay in Japan too, when they meet their friend, they'd just be blamed for their action and it'd be just like what Io and Tomo did to Haruki which was stopped by Takeya
The start of all of this was the dispute was Kazusa's end was the most unrealistic end possible for WA2 (not that Setsuna's would be better), not about which heroine is "wrong" or "right."
I wonder... Kazusa's end looked up to be the most fitting one considering the line Haruki used in his narration from the IC (the last day for them being together)
while in Setsuna route even though it's true that it's 2+1, but they're still together, yet in Kazusa route there would be no 3 people anymore but only 2 and 1 being left
carolrukawa
2013-11-20, 12:26
Argh! This is so frustrating i wanna play the game :(
Mazryonh
2013-11-22, 18:59
(Nabatame-san, Kazusa's VA liked this scene the most as the word of Kazusa when saying to Haruki to betray Setsuna is heavy)
Do you have a link to this specific radio show moment?
http://i.imgur.com/uZ1PtW0.jpg
Can you translate this?
So it took me the entirety of the closing chapter to realize Koharu's name is a bit of a meaningful wordplay...
Isn't her nickname of "Little Haruki" the punchline behind her name and her characterization?
If they choose to stay in Japan, it'd just probably hurt Setsuna just like how when Kazusa being hurt when Haruki was with Setsuna, that's why they chose to leave Japan, living overseas had less chance in meeting than living in the same country
The "let's just be friends" line is certainly fraught with problems, as outlined in this link (http://www.therulesrevisited.com/2012/07/no-you-cant-be-just-friends.html), with an excerpt below:
"Whatever the case, "just being friends" is simply not a viable way of relating to a man or woman you've been emotionally or sexually intimate with. The severed emotional ties between you will prevent you from relating to each other in platonic ways for a long time to come - perhaps forever."
I would say that both the main heroines count as people Haruki has been, at least, emotionally intimate with.
Key Board
2013-11-23, 03:42
Can you translate this?
"Not once have I hated you, or ever lost interest in you, you know?"
Circlebutton
2013-11-23, 18:05
Out of curiosity for PS3 players, what sort of changes they have in with the adult content cut out? Pretty pictures and erotic voices aside, there are some moments I find honestly beautiful and important to the characters.
Leon_Lelouch
2013-11-24, 01:56
The radio is from the limited edition of PS3 version where Haruki, Setsuna and Kazusa's VA can talk everything from the game and no need to worry about spoilers with Haruki's VA unsatisfied having a limited time as he's the VA of a protagonist and actually have much more to talk about rather than the two heroines lol
Yeah, if Haruki didn't have emotional relationship with them he wouldn't be thinking and be hurt that much
Hmm... they left out every ero line too I think.... like about how Haruki think deeply after kissing with Setsuna after the onsen and in the digital novel too about what Setsuna did that made her become late to class at the last chapter of Uta wo Wasureta Idol...
later when my PSV come, I'll confirm it again
Mazryonh
2013-11-24, 10:14
The radio is from the limited edition of PS3 version where Haruki, Setsuna and Kazusa's VA can talk everything from the game and no need to worry about spoilers with Haruki's VA unsatisfied having a limited time as he's the VA of a protagonist and actually have much more to talk about rather than the two heroines lol
Is it similar to the following "seiyuu corner" from the PS3 version?
H9igrFIux5s
It's too bad they didn't have more time to talk about their roles, frankly.
Hmm... they left out every ero line too I think.... like about how Haruki think deeply after kissing with Setsuna after the onsen and in the digital novel too about what Setsuna did that made her become late to class at the last chapter of Uta wo Wasureta Idol...
later when my PSV come, I'll confirm it again
Does "Uta wo Wasureta Idol" translate to "The Idol who forgot how to sing"? The baka-tsuki project at least partially translated (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=White_Album_2_Omake) that novel, but it didn't mention anything about that last bit you're mentioning in the last chapter.
Circlebutton
2013-11-29, 14:55
Haven't been this emotionally involved with a VN since Steins;Gate. I've finished Setsuna's true route about a week ago and have put off playing since until last night. Her story wraps up so neatly it's almost surreal. From a player's perspective, I suppose you could say it's a happy reward after all her suffering in the other routes in CC.
Finding it ridiculously adorable how Kazusa has a tinge of longing in her voice every time she calls out to Haruki. Props to Hitomi Nabatame for that. Speaking of which, I would also like to point out that playing through her true route is akin to watching The Hurt Locker.
Leon_Lelouch
2013-11-30, 03:12
Is it similar to the following "seiyuu corner" from the PS3 version?
H9igrFIux5s
It's too bad they didn't have more time to talk about their roles, frankly.
Does "Uta wo Wasureta Idol" translate to "The Idol who forgot how to sing"? The baka-tsuki project at least partially translated (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=White_Album_2_Omake) that novel, but it didn't mention anything about that last bit you're mentioning in the last chapter.
Hmm... well it's in a different CD than the game, so it's like they're really talking with each other about the game content
if the one you show, it's like an atogaki, like an afterword, the PC version had it too
yep, that series....
I looked at the translation of baka-tsuki actually there several chapters that have two scripts right? one of it is the PS3 version (no ero line) and one of it is the PC version (have ero line) even though it's just a line without voice, they still avoid it being used in PS3 version
@Circlebutton
well, Setsuna's route is too beautiful to be happened.... it's like the super happy ending with a sudden conclusion...
like how after some pushing by Setsuna, suddenly Kazusa can get over Haruki and remain with them when in the past (or even in the Kazusa route) Kazusa clearly said that she IS the one that can't stand being with them, seeing them together...
oh well, for me I think in both route Kazusa would be the only one getting hurt (even in Kazusa route, but that pain can still be cured as she is with Haruki)
Circlebutton
2013-11-30, 10:09
Spent half the day just sitting through Kazusa's true route. Whoo boy, Haruki, you crazy son of a... where do I even begin with this one?
Watching him burn every single bridge connected to everything he's built for five years just to be with Kazusa, to be in her small world that no one else belong, is gut wrenching. One scene I find very powerful is when Takeya was grasping for a shred of hope for Haruki to turn back, only to be left crying out in anguish when Haruki thanked him and bid him farewell instead. It says something of Haruki's conviction when he would even end his relation with his best friend for Kazusa's sake. I don't know, I really like Takeya, and felt pretty bad when even he had to go through that.
The epilogue really did it for me. It was poignant when, onboard the plane to Vienna, Haruki mentioned to Kazusa about forgetting to throw away his guitar. Then two years later in a video file attached to an email we see Setsuna, surrounded by friends (off-screen) and playing said instrument singing to Powder Snow, still cherishing her feelings for Haruki.
Words simply fail me. This is an amazing VN.
Key Board
2013-11-30, 13:50
Maruto/script writer (paraphrased): When you make someone happy, there will be also people who will not, can not be happy as a result
The theme is Happiness (shiawase) and the opposite side of happiness (shiawase no mukogawa)
In IC Setsuna and Haruki never has sex, but he bedded touma
Spent half the day just sitting through Kazusa's true route. Whoo boy, Haruki, you crazy son of a... where do I even begin with this one?
Watching him burn every single bridge connected to everything he's built for five years just to be with Kazusa, to be in her small world that no one else belong, is gut wrenching. One scene I find very powerful is when Takeya was grasping for a shred of hope for Haruki to turn back, only to be left crying out in anguish when Haruki thanked him and bid him farewell instead. It says something of Haruki's conviction when he would even end his relation with his best friend for Kazusa's sake. I don't know, I really like Takeya, and felt pretty bad when even he had to go through that.
The epilogue really did it for me. It was poignant when, onboard the plane to Vienna, Haruki mentioned to Kazusa about forgetting to throw away his guitar. Then two years later in a video file attached to an email we see Setsuna, surrounded by friends (off-screen) and playing said instrument singing to Powder Snow, still cherishing her feelings for Haruki.
Words simply fail me. This is an amazing VN.
I agree, her route is definitely the best in the whole VN. Also, was the ending credits different for the PSP? When I played the PC version, Touma's True ending credits was the best drawn, most detailed,and had Coda under her title, while no other girl's true ending didn't.
Circlebutton
2013-11-30, 19:33
I agree, her route is definitely the best in the whole VN. Also, was the ending credits different for the PSP? When I played the PC version, Touma's True ending credits was the best drawn, most detailed,and had Coda under her title, while no other girl's true ending didn't.
Unfortunately I'm playing the PC version so I really don't know. Wouldn't mind getting a copy of the PSVita release (all those new CGs!) just so I can play it again someday while on the go. Still, it's interesting how the developers put more attention on Kazusa's true end. Likely implying that's how WA2 should end.
On a side note, I think one of the many reasons why I like WA2 so much is because of its similarities to Norway no Mori, a novel by Haruki Murakami. :heh:
Sykes Kurosa
2013-11-30, 21:38
Hey all sorry to ask this but what do you think the chance is for an anime original adaption going for Touma? To be honest I am on the Touma train pretty hard and wanted to know what you guys thought of it. I am really not looking forward to an anime ending where everyone loses :-(.
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-01, 02:08
Maruto/script writer (paraphrased): When you make someone happy, there will be also people who will not, can not be happy as a result
The theme is Happiness (shiawase) and the opposite side of happiness (shiawase no mukogawa)
this... another reason that I think WA2 is really for Kazusa true end...
after all, shiawase no mukougawa or the other side of the happiness is only happened in Kazusa's true end route
In Kazusa true, shiawase or happiness is talking about Kazusa and Haruki, while the other side is talking about Setsuna and friends
In Setsuna route, the last of it just about the happiness of Setsuna and Haruki, and no other side of that happiness (Kazusa with Youko ? nah... that can't even describe the other side of the happiness)
In Kazusa normal end (uwaki route), who is happy and who is on the other side? if the one happy is Kazusa and Haruki, then what is the story for the other side of it? Setsuna's story just begin after the happiness between Kazusa and Haruki ended, while Setsuna and Haruki's happiness (?) just begin in the ending, and there's no story about the other side of it (the ending just shows Kazusa's concert in Japan again)
so.... the PS3 and PSV version really made it clear, whose ending WA2 is really for
had pre-ordered the PSV... now waiting for it to come...
carolrukawa
2013-12-01, 12:11
How much did it cost for PSV?
Mazryonh
2013-12-03, 18:19
Hmm... well it's in a different CD than the game, so it's like they're really talking with each other about the game content
if the one you show, it's like an atogaki, like an afterword, the PC version had it too
So is it a separate CD from the game, then?
yep, that series....
I looked at the translation of baka-tsuki actually there several chapters that have two scripts right? one of it is the PS3 version (no ero line) and one of it is the PC version (have ero line) even though it's just a line without voice, they still avoid it being used in PS3 version
But the baka-tsuki translation doesn't include the line that depicted what you said happened. Does that mean the translation for final chapter for that side story isn't finished after all?
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-04, 05:12
for PSV it's around 9000 yen (?) in amazon.co.jp for the niitengo pack now...wow so expensive...
I think I bought it around 6000 yen at the preorder
yep, its a separate CD...
Well... its still partially finished, I have checked the baka-tsuki translation and there're two sections from some chapters in that episode right? all-ages and adult one.... that's the difference
Lucky you. I was tempted to get it to, even if it's just for the special (http://www.nicovideo.jp/serial_form/so22333746).
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-07, 16:13
At the first when I pre-ordered it, there's still no info about that special.... I just want Kazusa's niitengo (heck if I can I want to sell my Setsuna, lol) and I even bought PSV just for the sake of playing this... just like Naba-san lol
but then suddenly they included that too, yeay~
They played Habuki Risato's audition recordings for Kazusa and Setsuna on this week's radio. :D
Mazryonh
2013-12-09, 03:52
They played Habuki Risato's audition recordings for Kazusa and Setsuna on this week's radio. :D
Could you provide us a link to the WA2 radio show archives again?
I'd definitely like to know if other previous Leaf alumni applied for the roles in WA2. Shizuka Itou is very famous for her portrayal of Tamaki Kousaka from To Heart 2, and she would have done great as a WA2 heroine in my view.
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-09, 09:35
They played Habuki Risato's audition recordings for Kazusa and Setsuna on this week's radio. :D
lol, since Nabatame Hitomi as Kazusa and Yonezawa Madoka as Setsuna has deeply carved in my heart, I don't quite feeling it when hearing her as Kazusa or Setsuna...
but I would like to hear Yonezawa Madoka played as Kazusa or how Nabatame Hitomi first voice when she took the audition before her voice should become lower
I'm now waiting for the fifth radio cd special.... they really include Kamikawa Yuu and I-forget-the-name-but-also-fans-of-WA2-and-have-appeared-in-the-radio-as-well to be the guest.... those two really shows the feelings of us, fans of WA2 and really really talked and give much impression
sadly....why is it until now there's no showing Koharu's seiyuu at all.... Mari, Chiaki, Io, Tomo and other girls had even come once or twice...
@Mazryonh
I don't think there's a leak in who took the audition... it just happened in this week as they had talked that some of the seiyuu of the WA characters were actually taken from those who took the audition of Kazusa or Setsuna.... and from that, they would be decided to take another role... (and like Terashima Takumi who actually take the audition of Haruki but become Takeya's seiyuu and Haruki's role taken by Mizushima Takahiro)
The radio downloads (http://howfile.com/ls/sakurafaw/4e2e5911/).
I'm still waiting for radio vol.4. D:
Yunechan and Naba do each other's voices all the time on radio and such, and Yunechan is actually somewhat serious when she does it. I hope they'd play Naba's singing audition though.
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-10, 08:56
lol looks like Yone-chan always act serious especially towards White Album 2... she's really enthusiast in doing her role as Setsuna, while Naba-san can't get into serious mode if not for the anime itself... lol
I actually like when they used their roles' voice (Naba as Kazusa and Yone as Setsuna) when talk in the radio.... sadly that event has died....
really.... why don't they include a song for Kazusa (at least one) maybe Closing with Naba's voice of Kazusa....
i hope in the upcome anime there'll be chara song for Kazusa (Naba-san)
finally my PSV games come.... time to replay it again~
A special WA2 radio CD (http://onsen.ag/sp/comike/goods/wa2_goods-set.html) is coming out for comiket 85, featuring Emma and Ryouko, who while both have roles in WA2, were also the personalities of Mizoraji (To Heart 2's radio), the Aquaplus official radio until it got more or less replaced by WA2's radio show. The CD is dubbed The Revenge of Mizoraji. This is gonna be fun. :D
hyperknees91
2013-12-10, 23:07
Almost finished coda. Just got Setsuna's true ending to go.
To me the only proper ending is the Uwaki route. Call me crazy but I feel like it's the perfect deconstruction of Haruki's character (It shows what he gets for being such a busybody trying to please everyone). Hopefully the anime follows this route as it's certainly the most dramatic as well (as I hear Setsuna's is much happier).
This whole visual novel is about inducing rage anyway, so might as well go with the most rage inducing route. It also more of a balance and will piss off both shippers instead of just one. I feel like they just made the true endings for shippers really anyway. I guess the visual novel didn't have the balls to have one true ending like other visual novels and risk leaving players incredibly bitter depending on which side they were on.
Key Board
2013-12-10, 23:14
I appreciate the Uwaki route, except for the forced last scene. As some have said, it would have been better if he ended alone after all of that.
So in the end he still ends up with Setsuna. That's 3 out of 4 routes that this happens.
My favorite Haruki quote from that route is "I've gotten much better at being a liar"
But I prefer Haruki being brutally honest and him facing the roast in Kazusa true.
hyperknees91
2013-12-10, 23:25
Well since there is no actual true ending to the visual novel it really is whatever your preference is really. It's kind of a cop out way of doing things quite honestly and I kind of wish it did have one true end like the IC (and like most visual novels that are this long).
Also Setsuna being the heroine more often is probably because it's the least predictable really. I mean Kazusa is a little too obvious unfortunately (especially with how IC went). But really I think the roast he gets from the audience is gonna be way better if they do the Uwaki route rather than the Kazusa true end. Because the Kazusa true ending still gives you some feeling of happiness along with all the rage. While the Uwaki route only gives you complete and utter rage.
Key Board
2013-12-10, 23:33
well, let's just say it does not sit well to me that nobody calls him out for his shit in Uwaki and he still gets Setsuna as a consolation prize
and as said, it's more interesting for me to see him abandon all the facades, and him feeling the effect.
No more excuse to shield him
I think what cements this transformation is what he said to Kazusa at the end of this route vs what he said to Setsuna much earlier in IC
to Setsuna: I will never leave you
to Kazusa: My heart is for you, but know there will be times where I can not be at your side
Because the Kazusa true ending still gives you some feeling of happiness along with all the rage. While the Uwaki route only gives you complete and utter rage.
I agree. I'm sure some like utter rage. But I prefer things bittersweet.
hyperknees91
2013-12-10, 23:40
I prefer things bittersweet for most series, but WA2 I prefer rage because that's what it does best.
I think he got a lot more damage in Uwaki route simply because he wasn't punished for it actually. Like he told Setsuna earlier in the closing chapter, he needs her to treat him like crap so that he can actually become a better man. Because no one does that for him in this route and he still ends up with Setsuna, he ends up more broken then any other route. It's simply brilliant, he tried to please everyone and only ended up hurting himself the most.
I feel like Coda tried way too hard to force Kazusa back into his life anyway, all the coincidences he and she faced were just laughable at times. It just feels weird for him to end up with her (thought it also feels weird for him to end up with Setsuna). I like you probably would have liked the true ending for him to be forever alone, but I see the significance of him ending up with Setsuna on his psyche.
But hey like said before, we got 3 endings (and one dumb ending) for basically everyone. For Kazusa shippers, For Setsuna shippers, and for masochists/sadists.
Key Board
2013-12-11, 00:21
I see your point.
But that's also why I personally prefer Kazusa's true ending
he was forced to realize he can't make everyone happy
In uwaki he outright becomes a liar
In Setsuna true he well... you'll see..
but yes, Coda, and actually WhiteAlbum2 as whole can only happen because of special circumstances and the special kind of people involved
normal people would have opted for a clean break
hyperknees91
2013-12-11, 04:57
Yeah. You know I can't really tell if the visual novel wanted me to sympathize with Haruto or just have him be someone you could rage at. During IC I could, but I think his character got impossible to respect by the end. Maybe it was just too many displays of pathetic behavior that overdid it for me. He eventually just came off as a drama queen who pretty much is asking for it.
I guess it doesn't matter as I'm more just suppose to be entertained by the misery a normal guy keeps facing. And entertained I have been, but I'm most certain I'll enjoy the anime adaption more regardless of which ending they pick (simply due to how terrible the pacing is).
Btw I'd like to mention that I'm not really for Kazusa or Setsuna ending up with Haruki as neither relationship seems healthy to me. Setsuna is too clingy and Kazusa is far too emotionally dependent when he's around (as it shows she's a lot more stable and independent without him). I actually think the only relationship that works well for him is Koharu, because she actually lectures him constantly, and quite honestly that's what the guy needs.
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-11, 09:27
Uwaki route actually is good.. but yeah, the last scene really let me down...
it's good enough for him to leave the concert without even meeting Setsuna, then they made Setsuna to come after him... at least Haruki needs to think that he didn't deserve anyone again and live alone
there're just too much pairing him with Setsuna... normal route when not choosing anyone in the closing, not choosing to accept Kazusa's wish, tell Setsuna the truth or choose Kazusa still lead to Setsuna, and the uwaki route...again paired with Setsuna and of course the Setsuna true end too...
the happening in this series well of course it has special circumstances... one girl is a genius pianist, while the other is a school idol... but it can still be happen in real life, although not too dramatic like this
well, in Koharu route I rather symphatize more to Koharu than Haruki.... she just got her hard work in three years become worse
hyperknees91
2013-12-11, 11:50
Yeah it was fairly realistic for awhile, but Setsuna and Kazusa are both kind of unbelievable (same with Chiaki). And like said, some of the dramatic moments are just laughable in coda. I think it's better to call the visual novel complex and well layered, rather than realistic (as too many romance tropes play out in it).
And like said before, I'm pretty sure Setsuna is the intended end girl because Kazusa is just too predictable. Not to mention the author essentially has trolled her the entire game, so I think the author needed to give her a breather. That's probably why she got so many pairing routes (plus the way CC ended, it makes more sense that way. Otherwise CC just felt like a waste of time). I'd prefer him to end up with Koharu or Mari even (heck end up with Mari's friend), but they were just written as extras.
Circlebutton
2013-12-11, 11:50
I made the mistake of going through Kazusa true end right after Setsuna's. Now I don't have it in me to go through uwaki -_-; The VN does feel a little biased towards Setsuna though. Even in Chiaki's normal end, Haruki still ends up with her (although what happens after the trip to the ski lodge is anyone's guess). I'm not sure why it's written this way other than Fumiaki himself being a fan of his own creation.
It's a little painful sitting through the other girl's route in CC. Less because of Setsuna ending up getting hurt, but more of Haruki's indecisiveness reaching a new height especially in Mari's route.
hyperknees91
2013-12-11, 13:23
Uwaki is the best part of the game man you gotta do it. It'll make you feel so bad inside.
Mari route is when I decided to write off Haruki as a joke of a main character. I mean I already did that before because he pretty much is the worst main character ever (omg so many petty arguments throughout the game...just stfu for 2 seconds man). But Mari's route....smh I can't believe how stupid they make him.
I think its written that way because not a single route gives Setsuna what she actually wants. So no matter what, Setsuna never wins. Heck neither does Haruki (unless in the Setsuna true end he does) because he's trying to keep everybody happy and that certainly doesn't happen in any route I've played.
If people are wondering why Uwaki route has him end up with Setsuna, it's because she's clearly insane. I dunno why the writers decided to make her flat out insane but it's kind of funny nonetheless.
Key Board
2013-12-11, 13:26
It's a little painful sitting through the other girl's route in CC. Less because of Setsuna ending up getting hurt, but more of Haruki's indecisiveness reaching a new height especially in Mari's route.
Again, that's why I like Kazusa true
It's the only route where BOTH Haruki and Kazusa had the conviction to make a brutal decision and basically admit that they're not good people
Let's be honest, Haruki has his faults, but Kazusa is a coward when it comes to Setsuna. It was nice to see her follow through for once.
And like said before, I'm pretty sure Setsuna is the intended end girl because Kazusa is just too predictable. Not to mention the author essentially has trolled her the entire game, so I think the author needed to give her a breather. That's probably why she got so many pairing routes (plus the way CC ended, it makes more sense that way. Otherwise CC just felt like a waste of time). I'd prefer him to end up with Koharu or Mari even (heck end up with Mari's friend), but they were just written as extras.
Well that's the tragedy of it. The point of CC is that holding on to Setsuna is a double edged sword, because it also makes it impossible for him to forget Kazusa. Setsuna True is more about Kazusa than Setsuna herself.
Edit: and Haruki's VA agreed that Koharu route was the best clean break for him.
hyperknees91
2013-12-11, 15:07
Yeah that's why I like Kazusa's true end as well. Kazusa is just a flat out terrible person, but hey at least she admits it. The girl has nothing to lose and takes full advantage of that fact, while Setsuna does not have the same privilege. Though Setsuna is insane so I guess it doesn't matter either way.
Though quite honestly I think that's also part of the problem with Kazusa's true end. I feel like they wanted the end to be very emotional, but I find that the characters were literally impossible to care about at that point because of how much they have been unbearably written. I think I was suppose to feel sad, but I felt more eh well that's Haruki for you (I think the near rape scene in Mari's route made it so nothing he did would surprise me anymore).
Key Board
2013-12-11, 15:48
heh
Io: "This is the worst pure love/jun-ai story, ever"
Her best line in the entire game
hyperknees91
2013-12-11, 16:22
lawl I have to agree with her there.
I think the most humorous part of the game is that Takeya gives Haruki advice, and generally he always does the opposite of it. Perhaps Takeya and Io are suppose to represent the audience.
Key Board
2013-12-11, 16:36
There's also Tomo's "oh she's just a (slut) like her mom!"
I proudly wear my Kazusa banner on my sleeve, but I have to admit that made me chuckle (and cringe)
And then later you have Kazusa's own "If this were a drama it would be the time for the cheating partner to leave and stop making the heroine suffer" Then Haruki retorts by saying "who decides the cheating partner is not the audience, but the director"
The route is a gold mine for great quotes
hyperknees91
2013-12-11, 16:55
lawl Haruki, jesus.
I do wonder how the anime crowd will react to Kazusa's slut work. I predict another Kimi Nozo, rage fest.
Key Board
2013-12-11, 17:08
haters will be haters ::sigh::
I already know it's going to be annoying for me
but unlike Mitsuki she didn't initiate that one and arguably take advantage of a poor guy's mental state (even if she had good intentions)
In WA2 Haruki's the one that invited her, although it does take two to tango
but that's the point. It's always Haruki who started things
It's him who continued to pester her. It's him who shoved his tongue into her mouth. It's him who invited her into his room.
it's Haruki to poke the wound again and again until it became infected
hyperknees91
2013-12-11, 18:58
Oh well I have all the faith in the world that everyone will end up hating Haruki almost as much as Takayuki, maybe even more.
The thing is Haruki doesn't even have a good excuse for acting like such a prick. At the very least Takayuki had to deal with probably the worst situation a person in a relationship could possible ever deal with. Haruki...yeah no.
I used to be able to defend him, but that's become an impossibility at this point. Especially when the going gets tough he always runs to have sex or grope Setsuna to make himself feel better and try and get his mind off Kazusa. Haruki...all my hate.
Like said I don't hate Kazusa. I don't remotely respect her, but I don't hate the girl. I respect Setsuna in a lot of ways, but I think the author went too far by making her so...forgiving.
Key Board
2013-12-11, 20:08
I ::GASP:: like Haruki and Kazusa more than Setsuna. I have a good idea what makes them tick.
With Setsuna, I'm not sure if Setsuna knows what she really wants
Her "world" is larger than Kazusa, but it seems at the expense of getting confused and losing focus
And if you bring in omake material into this, her character becomes even more confusing.
She's in this weird zone for me where I know that she's manipulative enough to get what she wants, yet what she wants seem to change from time to time.
If there's such a thing as being too multi-faceted, then I'm going to nominate Setsuna for that.
hyperknees91
2013-12-11, 20:28
Yeah well I just write off Setsuna as insane, because that's the only thing that makes any sense. There's no reason she should even be like this, I feel like it wasn't well justified to the audience at all why she is so clingy towards the three of them to an obsessive degree. People say she's just a really complicated character, and that she is but I think she honestly became more convoluted and exaggerated more than complicated. She's kind of like Chiaki in that regard, but even Chiaki learned to lighten up from the way she was.
I don't really like her, but I don't hate her. The side heroines are actually probably more likable funny enough.
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-12, 08:49
Hmm well, me too don't really think that Haruki is that good a person, but I still try to respect him better than any other 'romance' anime, if not harem
Mari route is a bit.... I don't know, I can't really like this route besides when Haruki hurt Mari when talk about Kazusa (well I just like it when he talked about Kazusa to other girls lol)
Well, I think they made WA2 in with thought that IC is for choosing Kazusa, CC is for choosing Setsuna, and so coda was made to make the player choose between Kazusa and Setsuna even though I think coda is for the sake of Kazusa, after all even in Setsuna route, actually Setsuna's story had ended but made longer by Kazusa's coming
well, Setsuna is just.... too wishy... in her route it was more shown too happy to be true....
yeah, I really like some quotes in Kazusa true end... "Even though if we hurt many people, at least we must be happy"
Kazusa told Haruki (and us) all the possibilities of a happy ending that can be happened in coda too...
hyperknees91
2013-12-12, 09:07
Ok so Setsuna's ending was pretty happy, guess that's cool as Kazusa actually becomes somewhat respectful again. Quite honestly the game was so stressful I can see how many players want this to be the ending.
Unfortunately for Haruki and the decision on not having one true ending, that was a very bad move on the VN creators. One it makes it so Haruki feels like he has no soul and all his actions are decided on the whim of the player rather than what he would actually do. The other reason is because it makes most of the build-up of the game worthless as Haruki's choices are just decided on randomness for the same reason. So in fact this game actually suffers from being a VN more than it gets help from it. This kind of thing is ok in a character game as it's mostly about the girls in those games anyway. However WA2 is a story-based game, and most of those have one true ending. It's just as bad as having an open ending really, makes the game feel inconclusive and most of the time spent be kind of a waste. I don't mind which ending they would have picked but they should have at least decided on one and just have the others be "what ifs"
And that being said, while WA2 had complex characters and some cool quotes, I can't say it's a very well written game. Perhaps if the author kept with the pacing and decisions he had in the IC, then it would have been a much better experience overall. Don't get me wrong I still like it ok, but it's difficult to recommend. I think the anime will be much better even if it has to leave out details (unless it suffers from complete adaption failure).
Key Board
2013-12-12, 09:36
in Setsuna's true he passed the baton to Setsuna. He is no longer the main character in that route.
in Uwaki route he is consumed by his own... Haruki-ness. But he is forgiven in the end.
in Kazusa true he makes a decision that not only cast away his friends but part of himself. (is he the same Haruki?) And it's a decision that made a lot of people unhappy.
To me, at least thematically, Kazusa True if the most fitting for his character development. Also Powder Snow.. That's how a WA game should end.
But Uwaki would make a great aesop too. (just cut the end)
I guess the anime will decide this?
If we consider political correctness, though..
Uwaki and Kazusa True are probably something they would err. make a very interesting Christmas. (and you just know that a Coda anime will air during Christmas season)
Setsuna True is the "safest" route
hyperknees91
2013-12-12, 09:45
Definitely the safest route. I dunno if it's a bad decision to go with though as it answers all the stress of the story with a happy conclusion to relieve people of it. While the other two answer stress with more stress, which isn't really effective if you ask me. Though I'm pretty sure the original WA anime ended with something like the Uwaki route if I'm not mistaken.
People will either compare this to Clannad or KimiNozo based on how it ends regardless hah.
Key Board
2013-12-12, 09:55
Original WA anime was an artsy brilliant broken aesop of a mess that didn't have much to do with the game itself
you really need to watch it to appreciate it
If I had to compare, yes, it resembles the Uwaki route. maybe worse..
but the original's WA game structure is also to blame for that
if WA2 had the original WA game structure it would probably be a terrible game
hyperknees91
2013-12-12, 10:02
Oh yeah? Did you like the anime more then for WA?
Key Board
2013-12-12, 10:09
err.. I'll try to be fair. Let me choose my words carefully
WA1 did not age well and that severely impacted my impression of the game.
I also tried the revamped console version. Nope, didn't do it for me either.
So yes, the anime was more entertaining to me
On the other other, the first White Album anime is an acquired taste to many people.
Watch if you want, but manage your expectations.
But well, it seems you that you love to hate Haruki. I expect that the first WA will be great for you.
But you need to give it some time
hyperknees91
2013-12-12, 10:15
lawl I'll watch it later. I'll need a feel good series after WA2. Can't play too many depressing things in a row.
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-12, 10:19
lol, I decide to bet on the anime for choosing which one is the true end of the game
just watch the Special Encore
here is my summary
Opened by Shiawase no Kioku by Uehara Rena
then comes Nabatame Hitomi and Yonezawa Madoa calling out to Tsuda Akari and Mizushima Takahiro
skip, and suddenly be Nabatame, Yonezawa, and Mizushima only starting the doukoukai radio
Haruki being popular among the audiences made Naba-san become irritated lol
and like usual, Naba-san looks like can't really get into character when being seen to actually said Kazusa's words
they discussed about Kazusa's line of "Atashi ga saki datta, saki dattan da yo"
next one is Setsuna's line... The words said at last in Kazusa true end "O genki desu ka? Watashi ha ima datte utatte imasu" in german words but she couldn't say it
Mizushima and Nabatame-san got surprised and even let out their surprised and said "what?!" even in English lol, and Yonezawa-san follow up it's not scary lol... looks like even the audience get afraid with that line lol
then Yonezawa continue by saying she liked "Kazusa ga saa, Kazusa ga otoko no ko dattara yokatta no ni na", and Mizushima laughingly said if only three of them are guys... there will be nothing happened even in the onsen, and Yonezawa replied as not wanting that to happened
next is Haruki's line everyone already knew what Haruki's line is, after all there's only one scene where Haruki appeared after all, "Ichiban taisetsu na hito dake wo sukuou tte, sou kimetanda"
and Yonezawa sadly thought that all of Kazusa fans would like this... even though she wanted to ask which faction the audiences are, it was stopped by Nabatame-san as they don't want to get hurt seeing which faction is higher lol
Mizushima then said about how Setsuna is poor because when Haruki chose Kazusa, he would throw away everything and when he chose Setsuna that still mean that in the back of it Haruki will still eternally love Kazusa
next is Takeya line, "Sonna no ha kimatterun darou, Haruki da yo" and Mizushima said if only Takeya is a girl, lolol they really like the friendship of Takeya and his role as friend
looks like every line is from Kazusa's true route lol
really fun when Mizushima joins the party, I always look forward to the radio chapter when he comes
the first song is... well its "White Album" and "Sound of Destiny" by Yonezawa Madoka
next is Twinkle Snow by Tsuda Akari continued by her "Kokoro wa Itsumo Anata no Soba ni"
next... After all ~Yudzuru Omoi~ by Uehara Rena and "CLOSING!!!" one of my favorite song in WA2, the arrangement, the lyrics, the tone
and then a "Powder Snow" by Yonezawa Madoka with only guitar in the background just like the end of Kazusa true end continued by her song "Toki no Mahou"
next they show an 'IF' scene if Kazusa and Haruki meet in front of Ryouko's concert, LIVE so its between Mizushima Takahiro and Nabatame Hitomi on the stage
I'll write the dialog later
to sum it up, Haruki and Kazusa met and awkwardly talked and Kazusa as always (?) try to make Haruki jealous by saying she got many friends even guy friends but she hate it when Haruki react to every of her words
then Setsuna called (which means Yonezawa Madoka come on the stage too) and Kazusa insist Haruki to take it
Setsuna and Haruki greet the new year while Kazusa stayed (because Haruki insist on it) and heard their conversation
Kazusa tried to go back to hotel but got stopped by Haruki saying that he wanted to talk more and Kazusa lied again saying that Ryouko was tired already (actually Kazusa and Ryouko would have drink together in that time)
Kazusa being Kazusa, and yet Setsuna called again
Kazusa sullened as Haruki said that there's no one with him when he talked to Setsuna
then Tsuda Akari and Uehara Rena talked with each other in the background about Haruki actually but not directly and how that kind of person is a 'saite no kuzu'
and finally... they announced the 'WHITE ALBUM 2 ANIME"
then the comment of each of them
and at last "Todokanai Koi" was sung by Uehara Rena, Yonezawa Madoka, and Tsuda Akari
hyperknees91
2013-12-12, 16:09
lawl they call him scum of the earth. Yeah that's definitely true, both Kazusa and him really are the scum of the earth.
What's funny about Kasuza's true end is if everyone didn't back Haruki into a corner I'm sure Setsuna could have convinced him. She's very manipulative and knows that everything Haruki says and does is half-assed. If only she didn't cry to Tomo...kind of funny how that works. This is why she was still able to end up with Haruki in Uwaki.
Trying to think of what makes Setsuna tick. She's an incredibly interesting character and one of the most complicated out of any visual novel I read. I think I'm on to something but it's difficult to decipher her (because writing her off as insane is just too boring now that I think of it).
I mean I know a girl who got pissed at all her friends for when there boyfriend did the same sort of thing Haruki did. So really, it's not outside the realm of possibilities. It just takes an insanely forgiving person I guess.
We should probably get the drama part subbed and released after the unselectable choice scene airs on TV. :D
That announcement part actually got me pretty hyped when I watched it, even though I obviously already knew about it.
Oh wait, that scene's in CC. Guess there's plenty of time to get it done. :D
Playing through the scene when Haruki rejected Setsuna's offer to accompany him and Kazusa abroad, I almost expected her to whip out a knife and stab him. She actually came across as that crazy during that scene.
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-13, 00:26
Lol, well i don't know too how serious Haruki was at that time about choosing Kazusa, and yeah I think Setsuna can still have more possibility in convincing Haruki... But because their friends keep pushing him which is actually what he wanted (how he wanted to be blame and such things) and it made Haruki's decision become stronger... after all he was just be left out by them which means that he wouldn't have anything left in Japan and could leave it...
You know the unselectable scenes?
Yeah, it really made me happy looking at that... i hope i can be there the next time CC is announce... (hopefully cc will come)
hyperknees91
2013-12-13, 07:02
Playing through the scene when Haruki rejected Setsuna's offer to accompany him and Kazusa abroad, I almost expected her to whip out a knife and stab him. She actually came across as that crazy during that scene.
She basically did go crazy. The poor girl, she writes herself off as being manipulative (which she is) but much like Chiaki, not everything she feels and everything she does is a manipulation. And not everything she voices is truly what she wants.
Yeah it's funny that when his co-workers are being nice to him, that actually hurts his resolve more than helps it.
I'm almost done with CC's Setsuna route now, but do the scenes in the anime for koi shiteta kimi to ita natsu ha owari, and modorenai kimi to ita aki wo omou appear in the VN later? I don't remember seeing them as of yet.
Key Board
2013-12-14, 17:44
I don't think so.
Those are part of Kazusa's digital novel 雪が解け、そして雪が降るまで
which is something that should be read after IC and before CC, but of course the anime can't do that.
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-14, 21:12
Another reason of Kazusa being the main heroine of White Album 2
The song of After All ~Tsuzuru Omoi~ was already made for Uehara Rena to be sung even before White Album 2 was made, there're some changes of the lyrics though to be more fitted to the situation of a high school romance and the lyrics is clearly made for Kazusa, after all it's sung only in the chapter where Kazusa was
Looks like Uehara Rena's song mostly cover for Kazusa while Tsuda Akari's song was for Setsuna...
THIS CAN'T BE MORE OBVIOUS.
I'm tired of discussion and it's obvious of who is the TRUE END GIRL..
Watch these videos please...
These are the true ends of Coda..
Kazusa Touma
http://youtu.be/aNMg61-UJnU
Ogiso Setsuna
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIPHCmX4xBM
/edit
Sorry, I read the first couple of pages and there are people arguing who is the true end girl. Please, it's obviously up to the person who has played the game to believe what they want, but since the creators made a significant difference of how the credits are with Touma and Setsuna's routes, it's a right in front of your face obvious answer... I'm also sorry but if you can't accept that Touma is the true end girl, you are being blatantly ignorant and in denial.
Besides, if you didn't know which ending credits is which, you can easily be able to tell which one had a lot more work/detail because it most importantly had more MONEY put into it..
I don't think so.
Those are part of Kazusa's digital novel 雪が解け、そして雪が降るまで
which is something that should be read after IC and before CC, but of course the anime can't do that.
Uh, I literally just finished reading that. The digital novel 雪が解け、そして雪が降るまで ends before Haruki meets Setsuna. But, I guess that means that those parts might be anime originals.
Key Board
2013-12-15, 00:27
Let me check.. Ah I see what you are talking about
Yes, they do appear in the VN
You need to replay IC for a 2nd time. They unlock hidden Kazusa POV scenes after you clear IC once
Also, once you clear Coda, it also unlocks hidden scenes in Coda once you replay it a 2nd time
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-15, 01:57
lol, it's like you're saying....
this is a game, why do you need to discuss about it, why do you need to argue about things, why do you need etc etc etc
we're all aware of the two main heroines, and have even reached a point where Setsuna is the true end fit for Maruto's style while Kazusa is true end fit to White Album 2, and here I'm stating my opinion and my point in the reason why Kazusa true end is fit to White Album 2
I see the great balance between the two main heroines, and I'm here making this thread open up a discussion to see what kind of points that player has found regarding the two true ends...
I'm not discarding the fact that Setsuna's end can actually be the true end too and I'm stating my POV towards Kazusa's end, this is what forums are for, we're stating our opinion and argue about it
Of course, I don't disregard in player's point of view in choosing whose ending is the true ending, they can choose whichever they want as the true ending (heck, even if the player choose Koharu, Mari, or Chiaki's route as the true end, it's all their own believe)
Ah, okay, I'll check it out. Thanks for the info.
Key Board
2013-12-15, 02:05
my theory is that the anime is going Kazusa Coda (eventually)
the novelization is going Setsuna Coda (eventually)
and the manga (that just started) is going Uwaki (yep, you guessed it.. eventually..lol)
Ogata Rina told me in a dream. So it must be right
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-15, 04:48
lol... some dialogs and scenes were changing too in the novel, I haven't read it until the latest though (vol 4) so I don't really know if that's going through it or not
but it can be happened just like you said lol, it's not that bad to have many adaptation with a different ending of each other...
carolrukawa
2013-12-15, 10:34
I just hope they will finish the translation... it doesnt matter how many years as long as they tranlate it
I just hope they will finish the translation... it doesnt matter how many years as long as they tranlate it
You know you could probably learn to read Japanese before they finish translation (given the 0 progress on it!)
hyperknees91
2013-12-15, 21:03
Yeah you're better off just waiting for the anime adaption rather than waiting on the translation. It's basically gone nowhere.
You know if they adapt Uwaki I won't be pleased if they cut down on Haruki's delicious tears.
carolrukawa
2013-12-16, 04:16
where can i read the novels? pls pm me if you know any sites. yeah i'll probably try to learn japanese...
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-16, 08:02
You know you could probably learn to read Japanese before they finish translation (given the 0 progress on it!)
look at it more carefully and read the translation progress.... is it REALLY '0'?
I'm currently in the middle of translating it... but translating it alone rather take time as I need to be careful in my grammar and such as there's no editor (even so, I think my grammar will not be good enough but hope that player can still understand it)
I plan to finish the IC before the anime ends
carolrukawa
2013-12-16, 10:54
I can do proof reading if you want.hehe
look at it more carefully and read the translation progress.... is it REALLY '0'?
I'm currently in the middle of translating it... but translating it alone rather take time as I need to be careful in my grammar and such as there's no editor (even so, I think my grammar will not be good enough but hope that player can still understand it)
I plan to finish the IC before the anime ends
The Baka-tsuki project wasn't moving at all for the past year, but I guess it is progressing a bit now... Also, uh, not to be mean but your English is really poor. I highly doubt a translation by you would be very high quality even with a quality editor.
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-16, 18:42
Yep, just as I thought...
This is my problem when translating.. I tend to translate it wordly, and that's the result.. I'm not native in english, and even though I actually understand about it, I can't find a good word to put it
But yeah, I'm trying to improve myself here, so it's okay to be mean to me lol
Well I don't want to speak much about my crappy way of translating, but if you have suggestion feel free to pm me...
Just recently played the psv version.. for now I have found 2 scenee categorized as famous...
1st is the white album session between the three of them
2nd is the training of Haruki in Kazusa's house with just the two of them
I like the 2nd scene, but didn't think that it'll be that famous...
Key Board
2013-12-16, 20:55
What does "famous" mean?
Does the VITA version has an online poll system where you can mark favorite scenes or something?
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-16, 22:43
I think it was taken based on players
There's a period when they asked for player's opinion regarding the scenes from ps3 howaruba 2 shiawase no mukougawa...
So... yeah, maybe from there, they chose the scenes that got many impression
And in psv, there's indication when you almost come into that scene
Key Board
2013-12-17, 07:10
Ah, okay. The only online poll that I know about is probably this
It's linked from the WA2 SS fansite
http://oahiroaki.hotcom-web.com/post.php
I agree with the choices, but I'm sad one of my personal favorite quotes didn't make it.
http://i.imgur.com/64cGoGa.jpg
Let me know how the VITA audience things about this
If I remember correctly, one of the functions of that memorable scene indicator is to give players a warning that something emotional is coming up, so you won't embarrass yourself by bursting into tears in the middle of a crowded trainride while playing. :P
By the way, good to hear that you are gonna translate the game, Leon. Hopefully you've done something like this before, as it's no trivial task. IC is said to have about 300,000 Japanese characters, which let's for simplicity estimate it to about 300,000 English characters that you'll have to write. To put things into perspective, it's about half the length of Hobbits or To Kill a Mocking Bird. :P
Key Board
2013-12-19, 00:29
Anyway, Satelite animator tweeted this keyframe
http://i.imgur.com/tE3ghRz.jpg
Coda anime PROBABLY confirmed
carolrukawa
2013-12-19, 12:20
If you dont mind Can you send the coda to me also? Thank in advance
Mazryonh
2013-12-22, 00:33
A special WA2 radio CD (http://onsen.ag/sp/comike/goods/wa2_goods-set.html) is coming out for comiket 85, featuring Emma and Ryouko, who while both have roles in WA2, were also the personalities of Mizoraji (To Heart 2's radio), the Aquaplus official radio until it got more or less replaced by WA2's radio show. The CD is dubbed The Revenge of Mizoraji. This is gonna be fun. :D
You mean Ryouko Ono and Ema Kogure who played Sasara Kusugawa and Maa-ryan from To Heart 2, right? What WA2 character does Ema Kogure play again?
if WA2 had the original WA game structure it would probably be a terrible game
This is because WA1 (the PS3 version) inherited the original's SLG (simulation love game) gameplay mechanics, right? There are character routes in that game, but you have to play it day by day choosing where to go and what character to talk to each day, so the daily conversations can get pretty inane and don't make for great reading.
Anyway, Satelite animator tweeted this keyframe
http://i.imgur.com/tE3ghRz.jpg
Coda anime PROBABLY confirmed
That's great. If they do go the "KimiNozo re-release" route in that they let Haruki choose between one of the main heroines during the IC, it would be nice if, for Touma's branch, Haruki wakes up before Kazusa kisses him and they talk out their feelings in the music room so that they can be a couple before the whole mess gets started.
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-23, 03:55
Hmm, yeah they said that this is to prevent for sudden tears when playing in public.. but then I think this game was made not just for the older players but also for the first timer... so i think the first timer won't even know some of the first scene that can bring to tears, the first one that can bring them to tears well... maybe when Kazusa confess (yeah, it's famous scene, but setsuna's in the night of festival was not) so this lead me to think that it's the famous scene polled by players and also can bring them to tears
But yeah, it's a bit helpful if player didn't remember where the scene is... (I almost let out my tears in a bus when playing this, hearing the three first session, well without the indicator I still clearly remember which scenes and when it can bring me to tears :D)
Well I'm really willing to do it, it's just my ability seems to be lacking in doing translation even though I actually understand the japanese XD
That kind of scene already been made into a novel though with the title of twinkle snow reverie, where actually Setsuna didn't do anything, Haruki and Kazusa become a couple... well, kazusa didn't become as broken as Setsuna to insist in staying the three of them, even Kazusa prohibit Setsuna in becoming Haruki's watcher or something like that
Why did the radio have Youko's va to come at last week radio when talking about ep 10 while she actually had more appearance when talking about ep 11.... ugh
They (like every other radio show) record 2 sessions at a time, and record a week before the 1st session airs, when they recorded this, epi11 probably hasn't even aired yet.
As for why couldn't they have Rio on when it has aired, probably schedule conflicts. :p
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-27, 07:23
Hoooo.... I don't know about radio show much, so they take two sessions at a time but separate it into different episodes / week?
So that's why they often had the same guest for two weeks...
Ah... after hearing the latest radio... okay, I accept their reason for inviting Natsuki Rio last week not this week because... it's the last week of this year and the day before the last episode so they invite... Mizushima Takahiro as Kitahara Haruki to be the guest, wise choice!
they even make a special show for Takahiro to talk more about WA2 since he never get satisfied with it lol and... radio vol 5 will be sold in the next four days.... I haven't even got vol 4...
I guess next episode will include Haruki and Kazusa scene at Haruki's room playstation version...
I had hoped that the digital novel in PSV would be voiced, but I guess they didn't want to pay again for something like that, huh...
but they insert the famous scene icon in 雪が解け、そして雪が降るまで
A bit of trivia: Naba has a thing about unable to say "kiss" due to embarrassment, which is why she mumbled that word when reading the letter about epi6's confession scene. :p
AngryDango
2013-12-28, 07:42
how did they handle the sex scene in Haruki's room in the PS3 and PSP versions?
Is it just implied or something?
Leon_Lelouch
2013-12-28, 12:34
lol... looks like she's easy to get embarrassed about things like that haha
at first the scene is almost the same, kiss, phone from Setsuna and such, they just skip the H-scene and added some scenes like farewell message from Kazusa to Setsuna, conversation between Kazusa and Haruki... so...well It's implied
Mazryonh
2014-01-05, 20:39
A bit of trivia: Naba has a thing about unable to say "kiss" due to embarrassment, which is why she mumbled that word when reading the letter about epi6's confession scene. :p
Episode 6 of the anime didn't have a confession scene. Which exact date of the radio show did you mean?
I meant 7. Oops.
The session would be the one right before my posting date.
I just finished Kazusa True End. I also finished Kazusa Normal End. I don't think I'm going to finish Setsuna's True End because it seems like it'll just be the realization of that insane dream of Setsuna's.
My overall feelings towards CC+Coda are that of ambivalence. There was so much that was tedious, so much that was disgusting, and so much that was awesome. I really wanted to like it: the style; the way that even though the same mistakes were repeated time and time again, it was still expressed in a new way; the absolute realism of two of the three main characters. But, the tedium of Haruki moaning about his life in CC, the absolute disgust I had at him in Coda, and the portrayal of Setsuna that broke the limits of my imagination as to what a person could do. Why the crap doesn't Setsuna ever get pissed and stay pissed? Everyone said it, but it wasn't done.
That said, I found Setsuna's portrayal in Coda much better than in CC, where she had to be the most annoying thing ever when we had to suffer through the daily daily ritual of comforting her like a child. I almost started to like her in Kazusa's Normal End, but the True End brought me back to reality. She's feels like a caricature.
Although I think CC proper barely had any redeeming features, I think Coda once we move past the disastrous first concert had some quite good stuff. I was surprised in a good way by Kazusa being able to give up Haruki at the end of the Kazusa's Normal End. I was caught off guard by Youko's sickness and its ensuing consequences. I was so happy when Haruki actually manned up and faced what needed to be faced, and I also respect the verisimilitude of his constantly doubting self. I was amazed that Haruki didn't end up going to the 2nd concert, and that it still worked out. The ending was satisfying.
I really wish Setsuna and Kazusa had more than just one conversation. I felt that some of the best parts of IC were their conversations. Though I guess Setsuna's True End has them talking more probably. Because of this, I though IC was just more interesting and likeable overall.
To me, this was a 8/10. Maybe because of the realism, it was a grind to read. I'd only ever suggest it to someone who was bored and has a high tolerance for reading about the repetitive worries of everyday life.
Key Board
2014-01-06, 11:17
I think you should finish Setsuna True.
If only because it's the only only route that subverts the main theme of the game.
As you said, repetition seems to be intent of this story
I think CC Setsuna and Coda Kazusa are similar.
It's just that CC Setsuna is passive aggressive about it, and CC Haruki was in a terrible mood most of the time.
But I think Setsuna is multifaceted
I also think she's too multifaceted
and I also get the feeling that Maruto changes his mind about her a bit, every-time he writes something new
In the end, I always felt sorry for her.
But in the end, I feel you could only understand her partially
I've heard that this is normal, though.
Setsuna's end was my fav.
Cheater's end plus the Extra Episode that you get after clearing this end was fun too.
Meltyred
2014-01-07, 06:47
I just finished Kazusa True End. I also finished Kazusa Normal End. I don't think I'm going to finish Setsuna's True End because it seems like it'll just be the realization of that insane dream of Setsuna's.
My overall feelings towards CC+Coda are that of ambivalence. There was so much that was tedious, so much that was disgusting, and so much that was awesome. I really wanted to like it: the style; the way that even though the same mistakes were repeated time and time again, it was still expressed in a new way; the absolute realism of two of the three main characters. But, the tedium of Haruki moaning about his life in CC, the absolute disgust I had at him in Coda, and the portrayal of Setsuna that broke the limits of my imagination as to what a person could do. Why the crap doesn't Setsuna ever get pissed and stay pissed? Everyone said it, but it wasn't done.
That said, I found Setsuna's portrayal in Coda much better than in CC, where she had to be the most annoying thing ever when we had to suffer through the daily daily ritual of comforting her like a child. I almost started to like her in Kazusa's Normal End, but the True End brought me back to reality. She's feels like a caricature.
Although I think CC proper barely had any redeeming features, I think Coda once we move past the disastrous first concert had some quite good stuff. I was surprised in a good way by Kazusa being able to give up Haruki at the end of the Kazusa's Normal End. I was caught off guard by Youko's sickness and its ensuing consequences. I was so happy when Haruki actually manned up and faced what needed to be faced, and I also respect the verisimilitude of his constantly doubting self. I was amazed that Haruki didn't end up going to the 2nd concert, and that it still worked out. The ending was satisfying.
I really wish Setsuna and Kazusa had more than just one conversation. I felt that some of the best parts of IC were their conversations. Though I guess Setsuna's True End has them talking more probably. Because of this, I though IC was just more interesting and likeable overall.
To me, this was a 8/10. Maybe because of the realism, it was a grind to read. I'd only ever suggest it to someone who was bored and has a high tolerance for reading about the repetitive worries of everyday life.
Slight spoilers:
Setsuna and Kazusa talk alot in Setsuna True End.
It's literally the route where it's the most magical (it became like a really magical moment, without actual magical stuff).
Also if you ever wanted to see Setsuna lose her temper, she does do it there.
Mazryonh
2014-01-09, 02:02
Slight spoilers:
Setsuna and Kazusa talk alot in Setsuna True End.
It's literally the route where it's the most magical (it became like a really magical moment, without actual magical stuff).
Also if you ever wanted to see Setsuna lose her temper, she does do it there.
I guess that's why the ending song is called "The Magic of Time," right?
I'm surprised that Setsuna's True End is the only one that shows the main heroines getting drunk (you'd think they'd resort to at least some of that to help them forget their earlier heartache), and oddly enough, from what I've seen, it's not used as a comic relief moment as might be expected. Oh well, Maruto Fumiaki really did like to bust conventions after all.
I meant 7. Oops.
The session would be the one right before my posting date.
I don't know why Hitomi Nabatame would have a problem saying the word "kiss." She said it just fine as Kazusa in Ep. 11. Anyway, I'm still miffed that Rio Natsuki wasn't given more opportunity to play Youko Touma, since she's clearly got more than a few things to hide.
Also, is the following impression I'm getting of Setsuna correct? Some of you may remember the following "seiyuu joke" (involving a character by the same seiyuu as Setsuna's) picture featuring Ui Hirasawa:
http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s335/Mazryonh/LookWhosSinging.jpg (http://s509.photobucket.com/user/Mazryonh/media/LookWhosSinging.jpg.html)
The following picture is also of the same character, but I believe it unintentionally fits how Setsuna is portrayed in the IC; she's so dead-set on someone who hasn't made up his mind on her yet, so instead of respectfully backing off and giving him time to make up his mind, she forces the issue, only to find out that she didn't really "win" anything lasting.
http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s335/Mazryonh/32a0c1eeea45fa2c791069828712e2fe.jpg (http://s509.photobucket.com/user/Mazryonh/media/32a0c1eeea45fa2c791069828712e2fe.jpg.html)
I can't foresee a truly good ending even if you pick the Setsuna ends; I've heard of divorce cases where one partner leaves because s/he realizes s/he was never "truly in love" with the other. That's what often happens when you build a relationship on shakey emotional ground or false pretenses.
Leon_Lelouch
2014-01-11, 00:30
After getting to Kazusa's true end, it's possible to lose interest in Setsuna's end lol but well it still better to play through it I think so to see the possible happenings that kazusa mentioned in her true route (which are the normal and Setsuna route)
I do think that there're so many repetition of the scenario but maybe with a different approach (like Mari end similar to IC end but with Haruki be more determined)
I too feel sorry for Setsuna and understand that she was indeed had gone through many hard things too but in the end I still choose Kazusa though
I just realize while playing again the of PSV version...
actually the line of Haruki that he won't be apart from Ogiso as long as it's not her that will begin to be apart is actually applied by Haruki to Kazusa...
In IC, Kazusa was the one who leave him
In Coda Kazusa normal, again it was Kazusa who made the decision to be apart again (even when at the last scene of them when they held hands it was Kazusa who released his hand)
In Coda Kazusa true, he went with Kazusa and in Coda Setsuna true he still insist in helping Kazusa so that she could stay in Japan
Key Board
2014-01-11, 11:19
I guess, I'll post it here
http://www.anican.jp/blog/interview/interview.aspx?number=0004
Maruto's recent interview about the anime.
NO news about possible sequels yet.
edit: btw, I noticed a there's a minor trend on twitter now to tweet fake WA2 second season impression. Ie: "Oh, Chiaki is here. Ep 14 was nice"
Mazryonh
2014-01-11, 14:56
Maruto's recent interview about the anime.
NO news about possible sequels yet.
Think you could translate that?
edit: btw, I noticed a there's a minor trend on twitter now to tweet fake WA2 second season impression. Ie: "Oh, Chiaki is here. Ep 14 was nice"
When exactly did Chiaki make a cameo in the IC anime, then?
Circlebutton
2014-01-11, 15:05
When exactly did Chiaki make a cameo in the IC anime, then?
She was the one with the fancy outfit at the school concert. The camera centres on her a couple of times.
Mazryonh
2014-01-11, 16:12
She was the one with the fancy outfit at the school concert. The camera centres on her a couple of times.
I meant which episode and roughly how many minutes in.
Ando was on the radio this week. He says he doesn't know about a season two either.
The poor guy kept on apologizing, mentioned specifically the bad visual quality, somewhat implied that the BD ver will have fixes, and confirmed that epi07 will have a even better upgrade than its nico ver.
Key Board
2014-01-12, 03:29
Think you could translate that?
When exactly did Chiaki make a cameo in the IC anime, then?
It's basically Maruto commenting on the pacing changes between the game and the anime
as for Chiaki, no. They're PRETENDING the next season of WA2 is airing. (hence episode 14)
Mazryonh
2014-01-12, 15:22
as for Chiaki, no. They're PRETENDING the next season of WA2 is airing. (hence episode 14)
No, some others are saying that Chiaki made silent cameos in the IC anime episodes (from 1-13) during the concert. I've checked over episodes 7 and 13 and can't find her.
Key Board
2014-01-16, 13:14
Off topic, but Nagi no Asukara kinda reminds me of White Album 2 now...
if they skipped Closing and went straight to Coda
kinda.. It's not just a love a triangle, but a love polygon. (unnecessarily?) complex?
Leon_Lelouch
2014-01-21, 09:59
Ando was on the radio this week. He says he doesn't know about a season two either.
The poor guy kept on apologizing, mentioned specifically the bad visual quality, somewhat implied that the BD ver will have fixes, and confirmed that epi07 will have a even better upgrade than its nico ver.
lol, and he was getting attacked in if they decided to make next season which route will he take lol
@Mazryonrh
in ep 7 in minute 03:07, you can see Chiaki in her costume at the back near the symphonia girl
@Keyboard
well the complexity may resemble a bit, but I guess it still give different feelings... and the development of Hikari is better than Haruki IMO
Mazryonh
2014-01-21, 21:56
in ep 7 in minute 03:07, you can see Chiaki in her costume at the back near the symphonia girl
That's a really strange costume Chiaki is wearing. Then again, Chiaki doesn't have a very distinctive face or hairstyle, so I suppose they had to make her stand out somehow. I've never seen Symphogear, though; which characters from that show made cameos in WA2?
Myssa Rei
2014-01-22, 20:25
Wow, I can see the difficulty of adapting the script for CC+Coda if they decide to greenlight a second season. It looks like a clusterfsk waiting to happen, especially how I get the feeling that many players think that Kasuza's True end is the "proper" ending... But how the heck is that going to work if you use Setsuna's route for the "meat" of the season? This will just make Haruki seem like a (bigger) jerk for it.
Mazryonh
2014-01-22, 21:57
Wow, I can see the difficulty of adapting the script for CC+Coda if they decide to greenlight a second season. It looks like a clusterfsk waiting to happen, especially how I get the feeling that many players think that Kasuza's True end is the "proper" ending... But how the heck is that going to work if you use Setsuna's route for the "meat" of the season? This will just make Haruki seem like a (bigger) jerk for it.
Shouldn't this go into the WA2 anime discussion?
In any case, here's a possibility no one here seems to be considering. Remember a Satelight staff member tweeted a keyframe of Kazusa in her CODA disguise? Unless that was done for fun, then it's perfectly possible that Satelight is planning on skipping CC entirely (since that doesn't feature Kazusa interacting with Haruki in any way) and capitalizing on the Kazusa/Haruki/Setsuna triangle by going straight to CODA.
Given the economic climate in Japan (they are still in their "never-ending lost decade") it could be that, instead of looking to make an omnibus adaptation of CC (which would take a lot of prep time, money, and airing time), skipping the CC arc could save them money they don't have access to and let them finish the story. I doubt the CC heroines have anywhere near as much fans as the two main heroines either.
Myssa Rei
2014-01-22, 22:29
Given how CC+Coda details came up, it's not like I could talk about this in the anime thread anyway. ^^;
Mazryonh
2014-01-23, 00:19
Given how CC+Coda details came up, it's not like I could talk about this in the anime thread anyway. ^^;
You were talking about the difficulty of animating CC and CODA as the second season of the anime. I thought that would make it more suited for the anime discussion thread.
In any case, Haruki will seem like a jerk of epic proportions for his neglect/rejection of Setsuna in the anime adaptation of any route outside of Setsuna True and Setsuna's CC route. That impression will only grow stronger if they use an omnibus adaptation for CC, because each time Haruki shacks up with a CC heroine, the viewers get to see Setsuna's heartbreak all over again.
Meltyred
2014-01-23, 00:44
I would laugh if they use the cheating route so u can have Kazusa and Setsuna.
Hmm,, well at that point there was no way out for him than to be a jerk. His relationship with Setsuna was a train wreck. The only thing he could do was burn the whole thing to the ground
Myssa Rei
2014-01-23, 20:50
I need to ask actual players to help fill out the White Album 2 page (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VisualNovel/WhiteAlbum2) with entries. Honestly, with a season's worth of episodes AND the game itself, it's shameful that the entry is pretty much a stub. When my entry for Mikakunin de Shinkoukei (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Manga/MikakuninDeShinkoukei) is much LONGER than the entry for a 30+ hour Visual Novel, then you know something's wrong.
As an anime-only watcher, there's only so much I can do, as most of the details I get are second-hand, and as such prone to misinformation.
Please help.
Key Board
2014-01-25, 07:09
http://harusuki.net/article/85934357.html
http://aquaplus.jp/wa2vita/special/index.html
White Album 2 Mini-After Story
after story epilogue for Setsuna and Kazusa
doesn't mention other girls. Sorry
Well, fans have been waiting quite a while for some kind of fan disc and its finally here.
Myssa Rei
2014-01-25, 08:17
Always leery of fandiscs, as they're almost always just an excuse to make a threesome happen. ^^;
That said, Tropes entry updated. ^^;
Mazryonh
2014-01-25, 10:45
Always leery of fandiscs, as they're almost always just an excuse to make a threesome happen. ^^;
Yep, everyone loves h-scene appends/fanservice scenes in fan discs. Just you wait: if there isn't a fandisc featuring "winning sequences" with the main heroines in their campus festival costumes ("So much bare flesh," in the words of Kazusa), there will almost certainly be doujinshi made for that kind of situation.
On a more story-relevant note, I wonder if it would be "in-character" for Kazusa to treat Haruki as her "fleshly muse" for her music in the Kazusa True route. Isn't it implied that she put her frustration over leaving Haruki behind in IC into her music? Maybe if the two of them indulged in a bit of passion before her performances she could put that passion into her live music. The music rags would all be wondering about where she gets such "fiery passion" to put into her music, and why she always seems a bit flushed during every performance and always walks slowly on and off the stage . . .
On a side note, I remember someone posted up some info on a cellphone game based on WA2. Does winning at such "touch the screen in time with the music" minigames (seen below) help you at all in this game?
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Myssa Rei
2014-01-25, 19:37
Yep, everyone loves h-scene appends/fanservice scenes in fan discs.
Like I said, they're always just excuses to enable threesomes, even if it's supposed to be technically impossible for such a thing to happen. While I'm expecting spirited baby-making in Setsuna's After-Story for example, I will NOT be surprised if Leaf somehow connives to let her share Haruki in the end. I mean, she loves BOTH of them right?
It happened in the To Heart 2 special after all...
Except that you guys (Myssa Rei and Mazryonh) have not been paying attention, because that news was on the website for the vita game. Meaning the mini after story will be all-ages.
Plus fandiscs and after stories are not always the same thing.
edit: So you actually have to buy lots of WA2 merchandise to actually get the disc
Myssa Rei
2014-01-25, 20:24
And it would be weird that the PC-playing segment would be left out of this, is what I'm saying. The ero must flow...
Oh, and as usual, I need help filling out entries, specifically the Awesome Music Entry (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/WhiteAlbum2). Can't really open up Youtube here at work, but if it's possible to name and link the tracks used in the anime or game that you think merit inclusion, it would be a great help.
And it would be weird that the PC-playing segment would be left out of this, is what I'm saying. The ero must flow...
Oh, and as usual, I need help filling out entries, specifically the Awesome Music Entry (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/WhiteAlbum2). Can't really open up Youtube here at work, but if it's possible to name and link the tracks used in the anime or game that you think merit inclusion, it would be a great help.
The "pc-playing element" is left out because it was meant for as a sales promotion for several WA2 merchandise (almost the whole set of the radio cd's or the blu-ray concert and the vocal collection to get one of the after stories, both if you have all of it)
Mazryonh
2014-01-26, 06:51
While I'm expecting spirited baby-making in Setsuna's After-Story for example, I will NOT be surprised if Leaf somehow connives to let her share Haruki in the end. I mean, she loves BOTH of them right?
It happened in the To Heart 2 special after all...
Yep, Setsuna seems hellbent throughout her story in making her own happy family, so I'm sure she'd like to start giving her parents some grandchildren.
The To Heart 2 fandisc gave ero-gamers a "take 'em both" option with the two most popular heroines, being Tamaki Kousaka and Konomi Yuzuhara, so yes, Leaf has done such a thing before.
If the WA2 writers wanted to include such a "titillate the fans and pay the bills" option, they could easily start from after the Campus Festival Concert. They just have to make Haruki wake up after Kazusa's kiss and then Setsuna bursts into the room after they start to "upgrade" their relationship. You have to admit that h-scene appends for eroge do sell well, and I'm expecting that Leaf will make some focussing on the various outfits that the main heroines wear throughout the story. I mean, if the various CC heroines can have h-scenes based on their commonly-fetishized outfits, such as Chiaki in her Miss Santa outfit, Koharu in her "totally-not-based-on-Anna-Miller's" waitress outfit, and Mari in her "office lady" clothes, then why not the main heroines?
And it would be weird that the PC-playing segment would be left out of this, is what I'm saying. The ero must flow...
Indeed the ero must flow, or otherwise eroge developers wouldn't be putting out h-material by the terabyte every year.
The "pc-playing element" is left out because it was meant for as a sales promotion for several WA2 merchandise (almost the whole set of the radio cd's or the blu-ray concert and the vocal collection to get one of the after stories, both if you have all of it)
So the players of the 18+ version are left out in the cold? That's too bad. I was expecting to see Kazusa True with an h-scene append to "make up" for the period of abstinence she and Haruki had before leaving Japan.
So the players of the 18+ version are left out in the cold? That's too bad. I was expecting to see Kazusa True with an h-scene append to "make up" for the period of abstinence she and Haruki had before leaving Japan.
......
Are you seriously only in on WA2 for H-scenes?
Myssa Rei
2014-01-26, 08:06
A lot of people come for the drama, true, but the ero does spice things up a bit.
Again, it's not like this didn't happen before in the previous games that the company had produced over the years. The To Heart 2 fandisc example by the way, was simply ridiculous -- it took an amnesia to expand the possible "targets" including Konomi's mom, as well as enable the Threesome path.
Mazryonh
2014-01-26, 10:51
Are you seriously only in on WA2 for H-scenes?
No, but I find it very difficult to believe that Kazusa and Haruki wouldn't have a lot of trouble restraining themselves in Kazusa True, and then wouldn't make up for lost time afterwards. It's clear their passion, physical and emotional, is very strong for one another. Omitting it seems unrealistic to me.
A lot of people come for the drama, true, but the ero does spice things up a bit.
Again, it's not like this didn't happen before in the previous games that the company had produced over the years. The To Heart 2 fandisc example by the way, was simply ridiculous -- it took an amnesia to expand the possible "targets" including Konomi's mom, as well as enable the Threesome path.
Not to mention that ero, when properly used, can make for a more realistic and emotional story than an all-ages one. Kazusa Normal wouldn't be so dramatic without sexual betrayal, which is a relationship-breaker all in its own category.
Konomi's mother Haruka had a clean story in that To Heart 2 expansion pack, actually. Too bad her seiyuu is dead.
Myssa Rei
2014-01-26, 11:02
Actually, the fact that Kazusa True was so chaste, was a huge surprise for me, especially given the sheer amount of sleeping around in Kazusa's normal route, where in the latter Haruki and Kazusa were doing it every night, to the point that Kazusa was no longer able to practice her piano for her concerts.
That said, the lack of ero in Kazusa True gave the close to nonstop emotional punches heavier. Cathartic even.
AngryDango
2014-01-27, 06:07
They weren't just holding back, Haruki wasn't really in the mood in Kazusa true, he does try to have sex with Kazusa, but his guilt for everything he's been doing causes him impotence that night, and they just cuddle.
Considering this and how bad he felt when they were leaving japan, I think it probably took them a while to have happy sex.
Famitsu 2013 Top 100 - Japanese Software Sales (PSV + PSP)
From 12/12/31 to 13/12/29
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yellowscarves
2014-02-04, 15:14
A certain board made me realize the fan translation of WA2 is awful. Two sample lines from the introductory chapter:
"What are you saying?! You must not take lightly of cold."
"Even in this disastrous scene, it still act according to my convenience, making it a valid reason not coming to Setsuna’s birthday party."
jonathanasdf
2014-03-06, 23:57
Hey, jonathanasdf here, one of the co-creators of the current translation project (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=White_Album_2) on baka-tsuki.
I agree, the translation is pretty bad right now, but you know what? It's completely open, anyone can edit and make it better, so if you are ever in the mood to fix those lines, please drop by. At least my opinion is that crappy is better than nothing.
As the translation process for intro chapter nears completion, I'd like to try to focus on some other issues, the most important of which being that shit ugly font, and a not so important one being translating the menu items. Unfortunately, we don't know anyone with the skills to fix these things, so I'm trying in this forum, since I know there are some really talented people here.
The font is defined character by character in a single spritesheet, so if you or someone you know have the skills to replace the font and are willing to help, please reach out to me.
Thanks and let's try to make this awesome game playable by all our friends who can't read Japanese.
It seriously sold less than 8,000 copies? That's like half what Infinite Stratos's game sold. That's really kind of sad.
Mazryonh
2014-03-08, 02:48
That said, the lack of ero in Kazusa True gave the close to nonstop emotional punches heavier. Cathartic even.
Really? Even without the sexual betrayal of Setsuna found in Kazusa Normal?
Hey, jonathanasdf here, one of the co-creators of the current translation project (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=White_Album_2) on baka-tsuki.
I agree, the translation is pretty bad right now, but you know what? It's completely open, anyone can edit and make it better, so if you are ever in the mood to fix those lines, please drop by. At least my opinion is that crappy is better than nothing.
I'm sure there are a lot of fans here who would swear up and down they'd prefer an English translation that is as faithful to the original Japanese as possible. Having said that, some of us Japanese-ignorant fans are capable of making written English flow and read better, but we'd still need the advice of those who are fluent in both Japanese and English in order to make sure that our edits still fit within the spirit of the original Japanese script (which has to be accurately translated anyway for a proper basis). "Enhancing" a script so it reads better to English readers can sometimes add significance/meanings that weren't there in the original script. Check out this video (http://youtu.be/xn6rSJQ47ac?t=7m50s) from the SEGA game title Yakuza 3 where the character Kanda Tsuyoshi's dialogue has been altered via the English subtitles to have extra significance (while slapping his subordinates) when in reality all he used was a meaningless exclamatory noise urging them to get to work. The earlier ingame dialogue also calls him a "skin head," referring to his bald head, but because "skinhead" has negative connotations in English, the term "cue ball" was substituted instead for the English subtitles in that scene.
In essence, we can't make bricks without clay. Please look into making more accurate translations of the dialogue that, at the very least, obey English grammatical rules, and get people who are fluent in both English and Japanese on your team to check them over. Then Japanese-ignorant editors can get cracking on making the script read better in English.
It seriously sold less than 8,000 copies? That's like half what Infinite Stratos's game sold. That's really kind of sad.
People generally prefer the easy way out. Appreciating emotional tragedy like WA2 is more difficult than looking at cute "mecha musume" who are pretty much structured to appeal to many fandoms.
Hey, jonathanasdf here, one of the co-creators of the current translation project (http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=White_Album_2) on baka-tsuki.
I agree, the translation is pretty bad right now, but you know what? It's completely open, anyone can edit and make it better, so if you are ever in the mood to fix those lines, please drop by. At least my opinion is that crappy is better than nothing.
As the translation process for intro chapter nears completion, I'd like to try to focus on some other issues, the most important of which being that shit ugly font, and a not so important one being translating the menu items. Unfortunately, we don't know anyone with the skills to fix these things, so I'm trying in this forum, since I know there are some really talented people here.
The font is defined character by character in a single spritesheet, so if you or someone you know have the skills to replace the font and are willing to help, please reach out to me.
Thanks and let's try to make this awesome game playable by all our friends who can't read Japanese.
why don`t try to ask some group that nearly done with translating a VN ?i think it`s quite worth to try, maybe they will help...
After story is out btw. Anyone played yet?
http://aquaplus.jp/wa2/special.html
Hmm, so if I get this right it's a present for some special and the application period's already ended? :eyebrow:
EDIT: Just fast forwarded the Setsuna after story for the two CGs:
http://i.imgur.com/36Igx6G.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FXReK1W.jpg
Cosmic Eagle
2016-01-18, 19:18
So...for people claamouring for a WA2 TL....
chance is here...go vote for it
https://twitter.com/Conjueror/status/688897652973383681
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