Licensed Mushoku Tensei -Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu- [WN] [Archive] - Page 49

Hakatri

2015-12-28, 15:31

She is the best narrator, so she can do whatever she wants ♥♥ It's funny how Rudy had confidence problems with his looks (B rank at best, was it?) when he looks nicer than Luke who appears like one serious dude despise being a joke character.

Oh, and judging by the cover, this isn't new material, I wonder how long it will be til a brand new volume? maybe after getting the office working?

Luke looks more like a shoujo bishonen, but i remmember that Rudeus said the strong looking men was more popular than the bishonen and Rudeus certainly had more muscle than Luke; i guess Luke had the status to increase his base charm

I wonder if we will get a look of elf s window scene sooner or later(the one where she is having sex but a certain someone only sees her angelic face)

Te scene when Cliff sees her she is just hanging out on a veranda (the sunset light, the hair blowing on he wind), the scene when somene is fucking her and she is looking outside the window is after she meets Rudeus and they are stayin in an inn

Personally i have no problem with reverse harem but rationally the problem goes to reproduction, in a harem one man can have kids with many women and that makes them all to be involved but in a reverse harem only one man at a time can have a kid with said women leaving no reasons to provide resources for a relationship when the kids are not his; however Ariel has enough resources to have a bunch of kids but it looks more like she had them to solidify alliances with important men, not like prostitution but by forced alliance by blood allowing her to dominate said men by having a child as a hostage (yeah bitch! alimony!); the other option is that she drugged Luke and had all the kids with him but hides the fact to play with him

Breimn

2015-12-28, 16:05

It was implied she was having sex .

Hokoga

2015-12-28, 17:57

Te scene when Cliff sees her she is just hanging out on a veranda (the sunset light, the hair blowing on he wind), the scene when somene is fucking her and she is looking outside the window is after she meets Rudeus and they are stayin in an inn It was implied she was having sex .What part in the story are you guys talking about :confused:

hound297

2015-12-28, 18:20

http://ncode.syosetu.com/n7194da/

2015 Christmas chapter.

Okashira

2015-12-28, 18:33

What part in the story are you guys talking about :confused:

They are wrong actually, it's the chapter where Cliff's falls for her, he catches her daydreaming at the sunset (probably waiting for a guy to arrive :heh:), she realizes that he is there and waves at him.

The other one is much earlier, a little bit after she is introduced; when Rudy comes back from working out and finds her at the window, but she is "too busy" :heh: to pay attention to people outside (again, unlike that time with Cliff).

The Christmas chapter was fun, and with Rudeus ever present and subconscious(?) desire of being Ted's mount? :heh: :heh: :heh:

El Rue

2015-12-28, 19:43

Hahaha, scary Santa & Reindeer Rudeus.

But because its non-canon, Rudy & Alex' presents disappear. :(

El Rue

2015-12-30, 00:24

Okashira

2015-12-30, 01:32

Ok...yeah. This is weird.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/12/27/kadokawa-frontier-works-celebrate-2nd-anniversary-of-mf-books-label-with-amphibious-hug-pillow

But it comes with a short story explaining how Eris ended up wearing the bikini. So that's something...

Still freaky weird though.

Ah, Japan and their eternal quest of finding legal ways to bathe with a 12 year old.....

Hakatri

2015-12-30, 02:05

Ah, Japan and their eternal quest of finding legal ways to bathe with a 12 year old.....

After a horny otaku spent the night with a dakimakura it would be wrong not to wash it

Sebazu

2015-12-30, 02:45

Ah, Japan and their eternal quest of finding legal ways to bathe with a 12 year old.....
Well, it's already legal with a 13 year old over there, so they are already pretty close.

MinusVitamin

2015-12-30, 04:09

Ok...yeah. This is weird.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/12/27/kadokawa-frontier-works-celebrate-2nd-anniversary-of-mf-books-label-with-amphibious-hug-pillow

But it comes with a short story explaining how Eris ended up wearing the bikini. So that's something...

Still freaky weird though.

Nothing they do will surprise me anymore. Still, better with the pillow than an actual 12 year old.

Amuris

2015-12-30, 19:46

just got done skimming the coming rudendency chapters and, damn!

I was excited for the family vacation volume but the sword god volume got me kinda pumped. I thought they would just go back and forth in time to tell little tid-bits of what happened before the war. Instead, it's pretty linear. Each new segment goes a little further in time. The kids get older and stronger and the ties with all the other characters become more fleshed out and stronger.

But really, Jino turned out to be a badass, huh?

to be stronger than Randolph...damn. Ah, then again, Sword God is just one rank below. Still doesn't match his image in the main at all.

luffyxnami

2015-12-30, 20:30

MinusVitamin

2015-12-30, 22:06

The power of sex/ becoming a man must have fully awaken his power to be a badass. In other loop he either die a virgin or lose it to late.

Yeah i mean look at Eris. Five years of pent up urges made her into Sword King when she was suppose to be a Sword Saint in the original loop.

DragonKing0117

2015-12-31, 09:26

Ok...yeah. This is weird.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/12/27/kadokawa-frontier-works-celebrate-2nd-anniversary-of-mf-books-label-with-amphibious-hug-pillow

But it comes with a short story explaining how Eris ended up wearing the bikini. So that's something...

Still freaky weird though.

Fuck it, I'm done. I'm not sure if anything else Japan does can surprise me at this point. (If I'm being serious, I'll definitely be surprised a lot more in the future regardless if I want to or not. :heh:)

Honoakari

2016-01-01, 06:48

The power of sex/ becoming a man must have fully awaken his power to be a badass.

:heh: That part went pretty much like:

"As Jino was ***ing his beloved Nina, he realized that it felt good! And that he wanted more!

And because of this, for the first time in his life, Jino realized that he had found a purpose. And that purpose made him desire strength like never before..."This is why I like Magonote's style of writing. He has this very... naturalistic? way of viewing things...

MinusVitamin

2016-01-01, 12:48

Hey sex is one of our most basic needs. We can't live without it, well i couldn't.

Ladiusman

2016-01-01, 14:09

Hey sex is one of our most basic needs. We can't live without it, well i couldn't.
Indeed. No sex, no life, lol.

Xellos-_^

2016-01-01, 15:10

Then why does japan have so many mage and sages

MinusVitamin

2016-01-01, 15:26

Then why does japan have so many mage and sages

Their standards are too high, you can't blame them.

Hakatri

2016-01-02, 03:10

:heh: That part went pretty much like:
"As Jino was ***ing his beloved Nina, he realized that it felt good! And that he wanted more!

And because of this, for the first time in his life, Jino realized that he had found a purpose. And that purpose made him desire strength like never before..."This is why I like Magonote's style of writing. He has this very... naturalistic? way of viewing things...

I guess that part said "hugging" or "loving", but yeah, "***ing"" looks better

Then why does japan have so many mage and sages

Men have very high standars for women and women have very high standars for men, however women can have sex with men out of their league easier than men so women ranked as 4-10 can have sex with men ranked 8-10 and due to this a lot of average (and below average) men have no sex at all while a small number of attractive men have relatively more sex, thats the rough explanation...

Or maybe the japs are plotting to raise an army of wizards to take over the world

yulinard

2016-01-02, 15:37

Then why does japan have so many mage and sages

Going MGTOW.

It will happen eventually to any welfare state. It already happen in the west if you type MGTOW. They are the same as becaming herbivore

Over population, overburden with taxation, high living cost, feminism.

It will stabilize in time but Japan at that time will not be the same as today Japan.

I can see that from the trend of webnovel lately.

kijin00

2016-01-08, 23:07

http://thelordofpie.blogspot.com/2016/01/ch-rc15.html

Chapter 15

Ars misadventures!

Breimn

2016-01-14, 12:50

New manga ch out in korean.
Silphy side story.
Bard appears again and helps out Silphy getting friends but it ends with teleport incident.

MinusVitamin

2016-01-15, 18:52

"Socrates concluded: while each man thought he knew a great deal and was wise, in fact they knew very little and were not wise at all. Socrates realized the Oracle was correct; while so-called wise men thought themselves wise and yet were not, he himself knew he was not wise at all, which, paradoxically, made him the wiser one since he was the only person aware of his own ignorance."

Might possibly be the reason why Roxy became wiser after meeting Rudeus. Roxy became aware of her own ignorance after meeting him, as such, she became more open-minded.

El Rue

2016-01-16, 00:56

Might possibly be the reason why Roxy became wiser after meeting Rudeus. Roxy became aware of her own ignorance after meeting him, as such, she became more open-minded.
Good ol' character development...MT's good at it.

Waxman

2016-01-17, 03:45

I want to give my thank to the Lord of Pies was a great Roxy's Chapter, and the more i read the more i like Lara's personality.
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Also i wonder if Cliff accepted his new "toy".

MinusVitamin

2016-01-18, 01:15

A doll made under Elanlize's supervision and teachings? Rudeus's dream is being realized by great people.

Claire's change was one of the things i looked forward too the most when I read the titles for the redundancy chapts. I don't know, something about old people seeing their grandchildren's that makes for a good heart felt material in a story.

Hakatri

2016-01-18, 12:41

After reading the Ars chapter i wonder why they never intended to use magic when they were cornered, i was expecting Lara to be the shooter since Ars and Sieg are training the sword but they were no signs of any spell

The Elinalize doll was a pretty nice move that only Elinalize could pull, we already know how Silphy reacted while Roxy would ask for it to be dismantled and Eris would simply demand another duel just because of customs but Elinalize even took the time to train the doll, i guess it can also help to deflect assasination attemps

However i remmember those magic rings of disguise and wonder if the dolls could use them to disguise themselves as another person and pretend to be that person with higher strenght (i was going to say inhuman strenght but technically they are inside the range of some humans) and i also wonder if Elinalize could use the rings to disguise herlself as the doll and simply pretend to be a human instead of the double play (but then again asassination deflection is a big plus in her position)

Speaking of Elinalize and her lack of jealously i again wonder if she may use the rings (Alek and the old sword God had them so i guess Rudeus collected them? also with Cliff being a high priest he may have a pair) to change her appeareance and have some action with Cliff while playing to cheat... he may be against it but she would be totally ok

yulinard

2016-01-19, 10:12

Breimn

2016-01-19, 10:28

>find another love
She will just rape him to death.

Breimn

2016-01-19, 11:34

ch 3 of LN translations are 95% tl done and 85% editing done so new release may be close. Keep an eye on the usual place.

MinusVitamin

2016-01-19, 12:50

Hakatri

2016-01-19, 13:53

Because Elinalise is super rich, an ageless immortal and an A ranked adventurer. She can take care herself. Unlike regular house wife she never feel insecure if her husband will bring someone to replace her. If that happen all she have to do is pack up and find another love.

That's why she rarely get jealous, while the trio always feel threatened if someday Rudy will bring the 4th.

Since she already is using the magic tool to recirculate the magic it doesnt produce more magic cristals so she must have a regular income from wathever adventuring job she does, for me its more like she already found a way to live based on being as happy as possible while doing whatever she likes just like Badigady and Kishirika because if a long lived individual doesnt learn to take it easy they will go mad with age unless they live in a very static or isolated enviroment (like Ruijerd) or devote themselves to some sort of obsession like the dragon tribe

So the idea of having a doll made as an imitation of her for Cliff is because she isn't insecure?

Nope, is to have a "human" wife so Cliff can introduce her in society and flush away the marriage proposals but also to later have the real one go there using a hat to cover her ears but since they already saw "her" human ears nobody will question anything and they will assume she is simply using a hat as people do

However a woman like Elinalize will surely tease Cliff about the doll with stuff like "you dont want me now that you found a replacement", thats the part she would do because she isnt insecure

yulinard

2016-01-19, 15:40

So the idea of having a doll made as an imitation of her for Cliff is because she isn't insecure?

The idea is to gradually introduce Elinalize to Millis aristocracy. He will be posted as Bishop on Great Forrest, then he can kiss goodbye to civilization for long period of time. Forcing her kids to acknowledge her as their mother so she can stay there when he was elected as Pope.

Since she already is using the magic tool to recirculate the magic it doesnt produce more magic cristals so she must have a regular income from wathever adventuring job she does, for me its more like she already found a way to live based on being as happy as possible while doing whatever she likes just like Badigady and Kishirika because if a long lived individual doesnt learn to take it easy they will go mad with age unless they live in a very static or isolated enviroment (like Ruijerd) or devote themselves to some sort of obsession like the dragon tribe

She is a near immortal, she still have to eat, unlike Badi and family who can just respawn when killed or starved. She will revert to her old self when Cliff die, and you can expect she will return on the new WN series set 80 years in the future.

MinusVitamin

2016-01-19, 19:24

Nope, is to have a "human" wife so Cliff can introduce her in society and flush away the marriage proposals but also to later have the real one go there using a hat to cover her ears but since they already saw "her" human ears nobody will question anything and they will assume she is simply using a hat as people do

However a woman like Elinalize will surely tease Cliff about the doll with stuff like "you dont want me now that you found a replacement", thats the part she would do because she isnt insecure

I'm pretty sure using the doll as a mean to deter marriage proposals is pretty insecure to me. Why else would she resort to such, especially going as far to making the doll itself behave EXACTLY like her. Since she is alone on this, she would have to solve this unique problem with a unique solution. Unique as in having a doll pose like her to secure her man.
To her, Cliff is a one of a kind, she may not depend on him security or money wise but she does depend on him emotionally. I don't care how old someone is, one can't have love without jealousy, and to say she isn't insecure sounds silly.

The idea is to gradually introduce Elinalize to Millis aristocracy. He will be posted as Bishop on Great Forrest, then he can kiss goodbye to civilization for long period of time. Forcing her kids to acknowledge her as their mother so she can stay there when he was elected as Pope.

She will revert to her old self when Cliff die, and you can expect she will return on the new WN series set 80 years in the future.

No she won't. It was implied by Badi, if I am to believe the MTL, that curses can be "lifted."
Which makes me wonder if Immortality itself is somewhat a curse.

Sebazu

2016-01-19, 19:31

You guys are giving it too much thought.
It's Elinalize, if you want to know why she does something like this then just assume it's because of a sexual play and you'll probably be right.
Maybe she wants a threesome with herself, or pretending she's the doll and get Cliff to order her or change places with her once in a while.

Seriously, she's not stupid but she's not that complicated.

MinusVitamin

2016-01-19, 19:37

yulinard

2016-01-19, 20:21

I'm pretty sure using the doll as a mean to deter marriage proposals is pretty insecure to me. Why else would she resort to such, especially going as far to making the doll itself behave EXACTLY like her. Since she is alone on this, she would have to solve this unique problem with a unique solution. Unique as in having a doll pose like her to secure her man.
To her, Cliff is a one of a kind, she may not depend on him security or money wise but she does depend on him emotionally. I don't care how old someone is, one can't have love without jealousy, and to say she isn't insecure sounds silly.

Because they have been separated for years? Her emotional support are the Greyrat wives (mentioned by Lilia). And I think she said that she is ok for being a mistress but Cliff reject that idea.

MinusVitamin

2016-01-19, 21:24

Because they have been separated for years? Her emotional support are the Greyrat wives (mentioned by Lilia). And I think she said that she is ok for being a mistress but Cliff reject that idea.

There were also a few characters who had given the idea about getting, or being treated as a mistress. And none were all too happy about the suggestion. Badi is probably the only one who doesn't give a shit, because hey, his wife is immortal too.
Husband is away on some serious business trip, and so the wife ends up spending more time with those close to her to mitigate the loneliness. A shift in support, but nothing more than a replacement.

Hakatri

2016-01-20, 04:00

She is a near immortal, she still have to eat, unlike Badi and family who can just respawn when killed or starved. She will revert to her old self when Cliff die, and you can expect she will return on the new WN series set 80 years in the future.

Elinalize havent changed that much to be "reverting" to her old self, she has two major sides who are "sex machine" and "reliable onee-chan", it just changed who is having sex with her but her personality is the same

I'm pretty sure using the doll as a mean to deter marriage proposals is pretty insecure to me. Why else would she resort to such, especially going as far to making the doll itself behave EXACTLY like her. Since she is alone on this, she would have to solve this unique problem with a unique solution. Unique as in having a doll pose like her to secure her man.
To her, Cliff is a one of a kind, she may not depend on him security or money wise but she does depend on him emotionally. I don't care how old someone is, one can't have love without jealousy, and to say she isn't insecure sounds silly.

The doll posing as her is a political issue and not a personal one so it doesnt have to do anything with self confidence, but if the doll is already there i guess she will use her for her evil and twisting purposes

MinusVitamin

2016-01-21, 13:35

Elinalize havent changed that much to be "reverting" to her old self, she has two major sides who are "sex machine" and "reliable onee-chan", it just changed who is having sex with her but her personality is the same

The doll posing as her is a political issue and not a personal one so it doesnt have to do anything with self confidence, but if the doll is already there i guess she will use her for her evil and twisting purposes

"The appearance was apparently her idea.
Recently Cliff’s position has gotten quite high, he’s been quite popular with women and has even gotten a number of marriage proposals.
So she intends to use it as a form of pesticide."

I just skimmed through it to find this, not sure if i missed anything that would suggest another motive for now. Though i do like the idea of how she could easily switch places with it, the only problem would be Clive.

Breimn

2016-01-24, 10:37

New vol sample out.
A certain wild maou appears.

Amuris

2016-01-24, 14:07

been wondering what people were talking about some statue...

Breimn

2016-01-24, 14:12

Statue? What statue? BTW someone posted badigadi

http://i.4cdn.org/a/1453673113827.jpg

Amuris

2016-01-24, 17:35

World three just posted all the illustrations. Guess they were lying about the giant boobed Kishirika statue. Disappoint.

well, we now know what Cliff and Badi look like. Badi is giving me an Akuma vibe...

Hakatri

2016-01-25, 15:10

Statue? What statue? BTW someone posted badigadi

http://i.4cdn.org/a/1453673113827.jpg

The web novel said Badi has long hair and big defined muscles but for some reason i always pictured him bald with a big belly and muscled, kinda like a sumo

denfac

2016-01-29, 17:58

this is pretty random but
Now that i think of it Lilia's family to who she was supposed to send money to never appears
and she never met ariel whose life she saved even tough they lived in the same city for a while

yulinard

2016-01-29, 21:29

Lilia's family is a sword god dojo owner on Notus Greyrat dukedom, they can appear on Luke side story latter.

And I dont Lilia want to meet Ariel, since she almost killed for saving her. There are nothing but bad memories there.

Waxman

2016-01-29, 23:48

I thought that Paul learned the Water God style in Lilia's family dojo.
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And i am pretty sure that somewhere there was a very little mention that Ariel recogniced Lilia as Rudeus's "mother", i'll look it up.

watisit

2016-01-29, 23:50

Waxman

2016-01-30, 00:46

yulinard

2016-01-30, 02:37

I think it was part of Sylphy side story when she was asked about her lineage. She was taught magic by a Greyrat (the son and the mother) and etiquete by Lilia. And by mentioned Lilia's name all nobles in the room feel threatened.

Lilia was a famous guard maid for not a good reason, since her skill is mediocre she was famous for "other things" and she was not happy with that either. So while Ariel want to see her, I don't think Lilia want to meet her. She probably know some secrets of the famous nobles and fear for the safety of her life.

watisit

2016-01-30, 02:50

I am pretty sure that Lilia is not Zenith's mother.
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No, i think that somewhere there was a mention that Ariel recognized Lilia, Rudi's "mother" as the maid that saved her life when she (Ariel) was little.

I mean that it was Zenith's mother that approved of Lilia being Rudy's 2nd mom. She was the strict religious person, not Ariel

yulinard

2016-01-30, 03:19

Why she need approval?

She is not Rudy's biological mother, and never will since Rudy was separated at 5 years old, before that she was his family maid. Their second meeting was brief when he was 12, then lastly when he was 16, already considered as an adult.

MinusVitamin

2016-01-30, 06:42

yulinard

2016-01-30, 06:53

Well the 2nd mom just came with the 2nd wife. It's a combo set.

You mean second imoutou? Lilia does not receive blessing from Millis church and all start because Aisha was born.

Breimn

2016-02-02, 18:00

,A little more of 1 day (feb 4) before we start getting 6 new chs.
Wonder what is going to be :D

Breimn

2016-02-04, 05:32

As expected it is about second imotou. New ch out for those interested.
When Aisha quit being a maid

watisit

2016-02-04, 11:07

Wincest whoo

Amuris

2016-02-04, 11:13

wait, what happened?

Breimn

2016-02-04, 11:24

Ars proposed to Aisha

yulinard

2016-02-04, 15:42

And end his Harem route.

Breimn

2016-02-04, 15:57

You don't stop a Greyrat from the harem route, you only do your best to limit it as much as possible.
Possibly with a few "pets".

Sebazu

2016-02-04, 16:15

Wait, what happened?
Did Ars want to live like his father and got denied from that path by Aisha?

Breimn

2016-02-04, 16:37

Basically Ars(about to turn 10) proposed to Aisha, and that he is fine with her being older. Her heart skipped a beat but still said that they can't because they are family. And from there their relationship will change(author still did not say how tough).
I called it ages ago that Aisha would go SS with Ars!! I knw it!
It is going to be 6 chs so get ready for the SS ride!

yulinard

2016-02-04, 16:44

You don't stop a Greyrat from the harem route, you only do your best to limit it as much as possible.
Possibly with a few "pets".

So far as I know only two routes that does not end with harem route. First is Rinia route with 12 kids to feed and matting season. The other is Aisha route. Both are non cannon but I can't see that they are both a possible harem route. Mostly because the rather ridiculously strong heroine character. Rinia have habit to bump into trouble and Aisha literally "Rudeus" of previous time line.

MinusVitamin

2016-02-04, 17:54

So far as I know only two routes that does not end with harem route. First is Rinia route with 12 kids to feed and matting season. The other is Aisha route. Both are non cannon but I don't see that they are both a possible harem route. Mostly because the rather ridiculously strong heroine character. Rinia have habit to bump into trouble and Aisha literally "Rudeus" of previous time line.

I heard a few times how Aisha was a magician in one of the loops, but i don't remember reading anything about it. I only had suspicions about the talented magician in the time miko's chapt.

yulinard

2016-02-04, 18:52

I heard a few times how Aisha was a magician in one of the loops, but i don't remember reading anything about it. I only had suspicions about the talented magician in the time miko's chapt.

The author himself said that she is that magician. If you check the comment section. He however does not explain how on earth she still live 100 years in the future. mr President have secret we don't know but he do know her in his loop, to the point he know about her family, even her unborn brother.

Waxman

2016-02-04, 23:21

Chapter 3 of the vol. 7 was a good read, only regret is that i hoped we could get the story of how Rudeus saved Soldat party.
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Soldat voiced more or less what many readers critize of Rudeus, and i recognice that i kind of wanted Rudi to punch Soldat in the face.
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But above all, the fact that Rudi's naming part of his body and how he is courting his body is kind of... Weird...

MinusVitamin

2016-02-05, 04:31

Starlightz

2016-02-05, 04:37

The author himself said that she is that magician. If you check the comment section. He however does not explain how on earth she still live 100 years in the future. mr President have secret we don't know but he do know her in his loop, to the point he know about her family, even her unborn brother.
Pretty sure the only thing the author said in regards to Aisha was that she would have been a genius, but lonely (or married her junior, can't remember clearly) magician / magic researcher in other route (if Rudeus wasn't there). He has never said that Aisha was the same magician in the miko chapter, though.

(Feel free to correct me by quoting the author if I missed it, has been a long while so I won't be 100% sure that I didn't forget anything and I'm just too lazy to dig through all the Q & A since the end of main story)

yulinard

2016-02-05, 04:54

Pretty sure the only thing the author said in regards to Aisha was that she would have been a genius, but lonely (or married her junior, can't remember clearly) magician / magic researcher in other route (if Rudeus wasn't there). He has never said that Aisha was the same magician in the miko chapter, though.

(Feel free to correct me by quoting the author if I missed it, has been a long while so I won't be 100% sure that I didn't forget anything and I'm just too lazy to dig through all the Q & A since the end of main story)

I remember reading the author mentioned who is this "Genius", then he wrote she is Aisha on the next sentence. No explanation given on how she reach 100 years of age.

Breimn

2016-02-05, 05:32

New ch out

"Hey, Ars-kun. Feels good?"
"Yeah. Yeah ...... Aisha sister"

Two people were naked.
Two people were sweaty

OH GOD! THEY ELOPED!

iambill10

2016-02-05, 06:53

New ch out

OH GOD! THEY ELOPED!

I must admit that I didn't really like the Ars x Aisha and I'm bitter about her not winning the Rudy bowl. I'm one of the people expectant of a siblings love. It's one of the reason why I really just skimmed the WN after the Cliff arc. Regardless of that, I'm happy for Aisha that she found happiness. Argh, this complicated feeling.:eyespin:

yulinard

2016-02-05, 07:13

... Do you forget this is what considered normal by Aristocracy?

Hakatri

2016-02-05, 07:39

It wouldnt be that strange for Aisha to be still alive when the rewind miko incident happened, it was set 100 years after Rudeus's birth so Aisha would be 95, however remmeber the descriptions of the miko about the magician being lively or at least they talked a lot so i guess she was not there, that was more likely Lara, Roxy or Silphy since the magician was not on the previous loops so the chances of being someone related to Rudeus are high

"Hey, Ars-kun. Feels good?"
"Yeah. Yeah ...... Aisha sister"

Two people were naked.
Two people were sweaty

That sound more like the author having fun with double meanings for his dirty, dirty fans, i can totally expect an overly complicated situation to justify that scenario like a massage after training or healing magic

And regarding the new version of the chapter "Rudeus of the Quagmire" released by World Three it was interesting to see Rudeus naming his body parts and treating them like pets. i guess loneliness does strange things to people and it was a good thing that he had ED or his dick would have given a name and personality and called back during the rest of the whole story... THIS IS THE DRILL THAT WILL PIERCE THE HEAVENS!!!

Also Zoldat is kid of funny, like a male tsundere with his braggin about manliness after recognition of his faults that can easily lead to friendship like in Full Metal Alchemist when those two muscled guy became friends by their muscles, i guess he would be ok with that in a verbal equivalent; it wouldnt be strange if later he and Sara hook up but keep being tsunderish to each other

Breimn

2016-02-05, 07:44

I can confirm you that no misunderstanding took place. MC himself hoped it was one when he opened the door.

yulinard

2016-02-05, 08:04

It wouldnt be that strange for Aisha to be still alive when the rewind miko incident happened, it was set 100 years after Rudeus's birth so Aisha would be 95, however remmeber the descriptions of the miko about the magician being lively or at least they talked a lot so i guess she was not there, that was more likely Lara, Roxy or Silphy since the magician was not on the previous loops so the chances of being someone related to Rudeus are high

Mr President haven't give any more info about Aisha. Given that he personally know about both of them I can expect one of the six chapter is about mr President telling us about Aisha's role in the upcoming Laplace war.

Mr President already told us about Roxy and Sylphy. They became lesbian couple (unmaried), mentor and apprentice, dungeon explorer, not someone who sit down in a lab and create new stuff.

I can expect President Orsted tell us that he did something in the last loop since laplace war progressing better than before. And it have something to do about Aisha, almost 100 years old, conjuring summoning magic.

If the author have not explain how she reach that age and being called "Genius", then this arc is the best timr to explain what happening in the last loop. And her strike zone which is someone 10 years younger.

I can expect she managed to learn Dragon race secret technique which also allow both Orsted and Pergius to live for hundred of years despite having a human body. Probably.

Starlightz

2016-02-05, 08:25

I remember reading the author mentioned who is this "Genius", then he wrote she is Aisha on the next sentence. No explanation given on how she reach 100 years of age.
Oh yeah he did on the Q&A on 5th of April, I didn't remember about that at all until I checked just now.

Not quite sure how I feel about Aisha x Ars if this is going to be a thing. Brother sister (or the other way around) wincest is one thing, human aunt & nephew with a ~15 years gap, on the other hand... will need more time to process >.> Is this what 70yo Rudy meant when he thought "special circumstance" of Aisha's partner :heh:

Ladiusman

2016-02-05, 08:49

Well, well, well. Incest, eh ? Well, this will take some time to process...

Btw, does anyone know the gender of the author? 4chan thinks the author's a woman (through interviews, but that could very well be the author being a netkama), and Wikipedia states that the author's male.

Hokoga

2016-02-05, 09:16

I don't like the whole Aisha x Ars thing, truth be told I don't really like Ars, I would have been able to accept it if Aisha ended up with Alek, but Ars ugh.....

aium

2016-02-05, 09:18

Remind me of this
https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=124459&page=593

Hokoga

2016-02-05, 09:22

Remind me of this
https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=124459&page=593I was just stating a fact back then, Ars would have probably been a lame ass had his father been Luke, but I never once said that I liked Ars's character.

Breimn

2016-02-05, 09:23

I feel like Aishia is heading towards incest route with Ars

Nah, in chapter 261, Aisha was said to be married already. And how old is Ars when Rudy is 34? 13.

Unless you guys are saying she married her nephew when he's 13....then lololol you guys. :p

I called it!!

Starlightz

2016-02-05, 09:28

I don't like the whole Aisha x Ars thing, truth be told I don't really like Ars, I would have been able to accept it if Aisha ended up with Alek, but Ars ugh.....
Well, when you think of Ars as Rudy & Eris' kid, it makes sense that he will probably grow up as a horny sword master while capable of using magic as well. I expected him to raise his own harem that is bigger than his father's, I just didn't expect him to get on with his aunt who is 15 years older >.> Stop ruining Paul's awesome gene!

(and the fact that my image of Aisha is still that cute 10 yo little sister in vol 5. doesn't help. Need image of adult Aisha now, is she going to be MT's Kaoruko? :D)

yulinard

2016-02-05, 09:29

aium

2016-02-05, 09:34

I forgot to explained my theory when timeline without Rudy why Aisha married with son of Eris&Luke.

Rudy replace them and got Arus so it's not get Paradox their family if Aisha marry with Arus.

Starlightz

2016-02-05, 09:34

Ars X Aisha ship will probably torpedoed by mr President and will immediately sink.

President word is Stronk.

But even when the ship sank, Aisha still turn into shotakon, just like the loop before. And Ars will continue Notus "tradition".
I don't know if they are going to accept President's word "Stop fking each other and ruin Rudeus' awesome gene, I need strong soldiers for my war" :p

After reading this chapter, it seems set in stone. The only ones in the family that seems to be vehemently against them is Rudi and there are still 4 more chapters for him to change his mind.

Breimn

2016-02-05, 09:37

Hokoga

2016-02-05, 09:43

This is bad but now I'm starting to feel that Rudeus should have did what Paul did.

Starlightz

2016-02-05, 09:47

Rudi is not against it. He just wants his son to grow up a bit more before making this decision. He has been depending too much on Aisha just like Rudi and Silphy in the past. So he tried to do same thing as his father.
While that's what he said, he didn't sound too convincing when he basically kept telling Aisha "nope", "because it's NG", etc. instead of explaining it carefully to her. He even noticed that he might be the odd one out due to his previous life since relatives marrying each other is normal in that world during the mini meeting later on.

This is bad but now I'm starting to feel that Rudeus should have did what Paul did.
By that did you mean tapping his maid (aka Aisha)? If so, I agree :v

Hokoga

2016-02-05, 10:25

By that did you mean tapping his maid (aka Aisha)? If so, I agree :vNo I was talking about kicking Ars out at a young age like Paul did to him, send that little bastard to Ariel, she would gladly taken him in.(in various ways ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°))

I used to think that I wanted for Rudeus and Aisha's relationship to stay that of close siblings but now I finally realize the real reason why I never liked Ars from the moment he appeared in the story, even back then I was able to put two and two together, Aisha being said to have really big breast and Ars being a breast-maniac, I just knew this auntfucker was going to bring problems to Rudeus's harem! (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡 ┻━┻ (Yes now I finally realize that I subconsciously wanted Aisha to be a part of Rudeus's harem!)

Hakatri

2016-02-05, 10:29

Mr President haven't give any more info about Aisha. Given that he personally know about both of them I can expect one of the six chapter is about mr President telling us about Aisha's role in the upcoming Laplace war.

Mr President already told us about Roxy and Sylphy. They became lesbian couple (unmaried), mentor and apprentice, dungeon explorer, not someone who sit down in a lab and create new stuff.

I can expect President Orsted tell us that he did something in the last loop since laplace war progressing better than before. And it have something to do about Aisha, almost 100 years old, conjuring summoning magic.

If the author have not explain how she reach that age and being called "Genius", then this arc is the best timr to explain what happening in the last loop. And her strike zone which is someone 10 years younger.

I can expect she managed to learn Dragon race secret technique which also allow both Orsted and Pergius to live for hundred of years despite having a human body. Probably.

Did the author actually mentioned Aisha as the magician who summoned Akito? Aisha was supposed to be a high grade in the royal something and also a magician but i said the chances of the summoner magician being related to Rudeus are high because of the whole "it never happened before" since it could be a stable time travel loop were the events of the future set the past and the past set the future, or it could be that the rewind miko Akito loop was in the Rudeus's bad future and thats why it never happened before

I assumed she could be Roxy from a stable time loop starting with the present story because she was helping Rudeus with his researchs and even developed a machine to use scrolls (never used but still) and because the idea of summoning a hero from another world sounds so random considering how Akito had no magic at all, considering how it was supposed to be impossible to summon humans and considering how they had no idea of the existence of another worlds outside the six surface worlds, the Akito summoning seems very suspicious by bringing stuff only known after Rudeus and Nanahoshi changed history and the wizard said summong Akito would give them victory but that only happened after the history changed (or we expect it to happen); you are not doing time travel properly until it becomes a terrible mess full of paradoxes

I dont think the dragon race has any age stopping technique, i simply assumed they are a long lived race that doesnt die unless they are killed (because Laplace developed the Fighting God Armor over the course of thousands years) and i assumed that after their souls took over their new bodies they activate all the genes they left in heir factors and develop into a full dragon race and thats why they look from a similar race despite being born among human races

Breimn

2016-02-05, 10:39

No I was talking about kicking his son out at a young age, send that little bastard to Ariel, she would gladly taken him in.(in various ways ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°))

I will say it again.
Rudi did want to do like his father , that is sending his son far away from his beloved for a while so tgat both can grow properly.
But as always he has a lot of trouble talking things out properly.
Just like what happened with Norn s marriage.

Hokoga

2016-02-05, 10:53

Now that I think about it maybe Paul had a similar fear and just acted on it quickly and gave everybody a more suitable excuse.

If Rudeus was never sent away from the house I feel like he would have eventually lost his virginity to Lilia under the pretext of preparing Young Master Rudeus for his first time with Sylphy.

yulinard

2016-02-05, 11:33

Did the author actually mentioned Aisha as the magician who summoned Akito? Aisha was supposed to be a high grade in the royal something and also a magician but i said the chances of the summoner magician being related to Rudeus are high because of the whole "it never happened before" since it could be a stable time travel loop were the events of the future set the past and the past set the future, or it could be that the rewind miko Akito loop was in the Rudeus's bad future and thats why it never happened before

I assumed she could be Roxy from a stable time loop starting with the present story because she was helping Rudeus with his researchs and even developed a machine to use scrolls (never used but still) and because the idea of summoning a hero from another world sounds so random considering how Akito had no magic at all, considering how it was supposed to be impossible to summon humans and considering how they had no idea of the existence of another worlds outside the six surface worlds, the Akito summoning seems very suspicious by bringing stuff only known after Rudeus and Nanahoshi changed history and the wizard said summong Akito would give them victory but that only happened after the history changed (or we expect it to happen); you are not doing time travel properly until it becomes a terrible mess full of paradoxes

I dont think the dragon race has any age stopping technique, i simply assumed they are a long lived race that doesnt die unless they are killed (because Laplace developed the Fighting God Armor over the course of thousands years) and i assumed that after their souls took over their new bodies they activate all the genes they left in heir factors and develop into a full dragon race and thats why they look from a similar race despite being born among human races

Yes, Aisha is the genius magician in the previous loop.

But I dont think its matter now because mr President most likely already memorize Aisha's summoning circle.

Just like Norn who dos not have to marry Ruijerd because Supard no longer extinct, Aisha doesn't have to be a genius mage to perform hero summoning. But Orsted still have to explain Rudeus about Aisha's fate since he most likely are far more familiar with Aisha than Rudeus because multiple loop.

I think it already explained that Dragon Race already master the art of reincarnation so they are all immortal in some kind. And then when they reincarnated in human body with certain traits, they can use dragon race secret skills to do what is impossible to normal human. And I dont think all of them know longetivity technique since the robot guy (the one who build Greyrat house in Sharia) grow old and easiest to kill.

Hakatri

2016-02-05, 13:04

Yes, Aisha is the genius magician in the previous loop.

But I dont think its matter now because mr President most likely already memorize Aisha's summoning circle.

Just like Norn who dos not have to marry Ruijerd because Supard no longer extinct, Aisha doesn't have to be a genius mage to perform hero summoning. But Orsted still have to explain Rudeus about Aisha's fate since he most likely are far more familiar with Aisha than Rudeus because multiple loop.

I think it already explained that Dragon Race already master the art of reincarnation so they are all immortal in some kind. And then when they reincarnated in human body with certain traits, they can use dragon race secret skills to do what is impossible to normal human. And I dont think all of them know longetivity technique since the robot guy (the one who build Greyrat house in Sharia) grow old and easiest to kill.

I do remmember Aisha being a genious but i dont remmember any explicit statement of Aisha being the magician the rewind miko knew so i ask for a clear response on that, Aisha being a genious is not enough to claim they are the same so if anyone has a clear quote stating that i would like to see it

Did they actually mentioned a logetivity technique? Badi mejtioned that Laplace used magic techniques that would break a humand body and from that and the resemblance between Orsted and Laplace despite being born from human parents i deducted that their bodies were not human so a development of the factor to become full dragon race was a viable option, or at least Perugius did that to be that similar to Orsted because Perugius was mentioned as a member of the humans and their hero, also Rudeus had a body with mana amount like Laplace but nobody mentions a physical resemblance between the two of them besides the mana pool

The robot guy was a craftsman so even if the dragon race had a condition of not dying unless killed or if he aged normally he could have been killed by some creature or person like a normal crafstman even if he was a powerful one so i think its better not to use him as example

Sebazu

2016-02-05, 13:48

You know, if Aisha does end up marrying Ars, i can totally see her inventing a method to remain young.

elroid

2016-02-05, 14:37

Norn is into old man while Aisha is pedo... I wonder what will Paul's reaction be like if he can learn about it when Rudeus report it to him in front of his grave...

Xellos-_^

2016-02-05, 14:45

Norn is into old man while Aisha is pedo... I wonder what will Paul's reaction be like if he can learn about it when Rudeus report it to him in front of his grave...
Ars is a double greyrat and Aisha is stack. So Paul understands.

dark44

2016-02-05, 15:59

start great and go down very bad didnt like his two sisters choice

Amuris

2016-02-05, 18:03

Honestly, the reason I thought Aisha would ed up with Alex was that it seemed like a viable tactical move. She'd be bringing in the current and future North Gods into the family along with immortal blood while likely passing he intellect on to them. I also thought there might be a benefit of getting closer to the Necross family...which obviously isn't true. Anyone of them who would care that they're family (Sander and Randolf) are already on their side. Atofe would whoop their ass with great zeal, regardless.

but this, this makes more sense. She trained the next head as a tactician then seduced him with her awesome rockin boobage, making the line that leads the family the genius tacticians. And she gets the next Rudy. Truly a brilliant play Aisha!

Waxman

2016-02-05, 18:28

Since no one knows that Rudi is a reincarnated person all believe that he married a woman much older than hi (Roxy) and the blood relationship isn't an issue in that world.
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Personally I admit that i haven't taken a look to the new chapters but the only problem that i have with an Ars/Aisha relationship is that, while Aisha may have things in common with Roxy, both are talented, smart and had problem finding their soulmate Ars sound almost like a schoolboy with a crush on his teacher, i agree that Ars should spend some time away to see if what he feels stand the test of time apart.

DragonKing0117

2016-02-05, 18:30

New ch out

"Hey, Ars-kun. Feels good?"
"Yeah. Yeah ...... Aisha sister"

Two people were naked.
Two people were sweaty

OH GOD! THEY ELOPED!
Please tell me I'm not the only one feeling the NTR here... :twitch::uhoh::(:upset:

Lucas99

2016-02-05, 20:13

You are not alone my friend:upset:
I been riding the rudi x aisha ship from the start:frustrated:
I'm currently trying to find truck-san to hire him and run over Ars so he can make his harem in another world:cool:

Ruki0089

2016-02-05, 20:28

Ok.....I finally have reason to drop this:upset:....hah~~, drop... I totally disappointed with this...:frustrated:
Fuck you author!!!:frustrated:

FIBC

2016-02-05, 20:49

WTF?!!!! Aisha weren't you the smart one?. It seems only her is in love while ars is being a true notus going for the big boobs

In-Tea

2016-02-05, 21:05

just read chapter 24 and I'm shocked by it.....

really lowered my opinion toward Aisha drastically ... and the though of She feeling special toward Ars since the day he was born.... I just... can't....

hope the author will put meaningful ending where Aisha can't end up with Ars but still happy rather than just put a happy ending when anything possible as long there's love and make them marry each other....

still like the novel but still have complicated feeling for Aisha x Ars -_-

Starlightz

2016-02-05, 21:06

Oh, come on, I understand that some of us - including me - may need more time to accept this pairing, possibly due to our real life current aversion to incest, or their 15 years age gap, or how it would biologically affect their children, or (like me) still keeping image of Aisha as the cute little sister and hence expected her to love someone of the same age or older. However, calling it NTR or Aisha stupid is just wrong :p

The couple isn't that bad if you look at it from the MT world perspective (which Rudeus realized as well) - they don't have any problem with incest; Aisha herself is at the age that she want to get married too, but there wasn't anyone she liked other than Rudy (you can blame Rudy for never touching her in the bath); Moreover, Ars is like a mini Rudi and apparently have been keep confessing seriously to Aisha over and over for years; All those add up together.

Not sure how anyone can still expect Aisha x Rudy ship to sail. I like that ship too, but let's be real, if he has only seen her as a younger sister and showed to intention to go further for 15 years+ they have been together, I doubt he'd anytime now (plus Eris will probably murder him for adding another). Aisha x Rudy sunk since the main story, basically. The only reason why they (Aisha & Ars) eloped was that Rudy was deadset in splitting them apart while failed to give any convincing reason to Aisha. It might have gone differently if Rudy explained his reasons carefully, instead he gave one line explanation, then pretty much just went "no", "NG is NG", "I don't know but it's NG". It's not like Aisha can't fend for herself if she is to live alone with Ars, anyway.

Edit: damn, now it's going to be hard to see all those scene between Aisha and Rudy + the two bathing together as playful and cute again :p

El Rue

2016-02-05, 21:43

Amused by the reactions from heavy shippers & those that haven't even read the chapters.

Hokoga

2016-02-05, 21:51

need more time to accept?

NO! UNLIKE YOU I WON'T ACCEPT IT!, GOD DAMN YOU MAGONOTE! HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO RUDEUS AND US!(Rudeus x Aisha shippers)

And this is the internet where NTR has lost it's true meaning long ago!, as long we feel that the heroine has been stolen away then it is 100% NTR from our point of view and we won't listen to anyone else who says otherwise.

AISHA WHY?!!! ಥ_ಥ one of my favorite characters of this series has suddenly become dead me....
F@#$ YOU ARS!!!! ಠ益ಠ-
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Sorry about that, maybe it's because I didn't realize until today that I was a Rudeus x Aisha shipper so now I'm just taking this Aisha x Ars thing pretty badly... sigh now is probably a good time to take up drinking.....

@El Rue: I've read the chapter(unfortunately)

Ladiusman

2016-02-05, 21:51

Lol, the Aisha x Rudy ship sunk long ago, mates. Unless you guys wanted her to end with some fat noble from Asura? Or someone like Alek? Obviously that seems like a better choice to you guys right now. :p

...and this is why I never participate in any of these "shipping wars". Take some time off and drink yourself silly, guys. Or maybe find an actual girlfriend.

Anyways, as the 34 years old chapter says, all this will turn out rosy by the end.

El Rue

2016-02-05, 22:01

Rudy himself narrated some time ago that he did have complicated feelings regarding Norn's & Aisha's relationships in the beginning.
F@#$ YOU ARS!!!!

Oh don't worry...seems Aisha got that covered. ;)

Lucas99

2016-02-05, 22:19

http://machineslicedbread.xyz/succubus-imouto/
:frustrated::frustrated::frustrated::frustrated::f rustrated::frustrated::frustrated:
T_________________________T

elroid

2016-02-06, 00:04

switching the topic a little... I lol'ed when it turns out that the demon lord that appears in Ars story is really Kishirika

Amuris

2016-02-06, 00:13

Oh, come on, I understand that some of us - including me - may need more time to accept this pairing, possibly due to our real life current aversion to incest, or their 15 years age gap, or how it would biologically affect their children...

The couple isn't that bad if you look at it from the MT world perspective (which Rudeus realized as well) - they don't have any problem with incest...

A few things:

It actually doesn't have much of a biological affect on the children. To begin with, the affect of inbreeding is merely that it increases the probability of particular genes being passed on. It doesn't just suddenly make them deformed, it just makes it more likely for a particular disease to appear IF it is already present in the family. There is no genetic breakdown like horror movies like to tell.

We actually know that inbreeding in humans isn't that bad as we have a long history of it. In fact, it is still legal in a lot of developed nations, Japan included. It isn't really a MT world thing. It's more of a, "modern people 'whitewash' the world and pretend everything fits their new standards they just made up a few decades ago" thing.

Aisha is Rudy's half-sister. This means that the genetic difference between her and Ars is the same as cousins(3 degrees of separation). Which, in Japan, is legal. Actually, they go by degrees of separation in Japan. So, this relationship specifically would be allowed.

If you want to know why I bothered to learn this...f%# if I know...

Starlightz

2016-02-06, 00:36

A few things:

It actually doesn't have much of a biological affect on the children. To begin with, the affect of inbreeding is merely that it increases the probability of particular genes being passed on. It doesn't just suddenly make them deformed, it just makes it more likely for a particular disease to appear IF it is already present in the family. There is no genetic breakdown like horror movies like to tell.

We actually know that inbreeding in humans isn't that bad as we have a long history of it. In fact, it is still legal in a lot of developed nations, Japan included. It isn't really a MT world thing. It's more of a, "modern people 'whitewash' the world and pretend everything fits their new standards they just made up a few decades ago" thing.

Aisha is Rudy's half-sister. This means that the genetic difference between her and Ars is the same as cousins(3 degrees of separation). Which, in Japan, is legal. Actually, they go by degrees of separation in Japan. So, this relationship specifically would be allowed.

Oh, thanks. I didn't know about this. Tempted to do a Google research yesterday, but since it's going to be CNY, I'm coming back to my home country to visit my family so I thought it'd be rather awkward if, for some reasons (hi there, google auto-fill), my sister found out I was looking for something related to incest :heh:

Ladiusman

2016-02-06, 00:57

Funny thing here. Looking back, I'm surprised all this moaning and groaning didn't happen back when chapter 261 came out. There, Rudy explicitly said that Aisha married (or maybe going to marry in this case) and that it was a "little bit complex". And it was definitely not himself. What? Did everyone just magically forget all about that chapter? Selective amnesia at work here I see.

So where was the same complaining I'm seeing now, hmm? Guess it would have been better if she just hooked up with some random fat Asuran noble, huh? :p

yulinard

2016-02-06, 01:40

Funny thing here. Looking back, I'm surprised all this moaning and groaning didn't happen back when chapter 261 came out. There, Rudy explicitly said that Aisha married (or maybe going to marry in this this case) and that it was a "little bit complex". And it was definitely not himself. What? Did everyone just magically forget all about that chapter? Selective amnesia at work here I see.

So where was the same complaining I'm seeing now, hmm? Guess it would have been better if she just hooked up with some random fat Asuran noble, huh? :p

I dont think anyone can control someone like Aisha.

In the previous loop she probably invent magic or managed to learn magic that turn her into a loli baba. And in the laplace war she decimated some Midgurd village.

El Rue

2016-02-06, 05:11

I dont think anyone can control someone like Aisha.

In the previous loop she probably invent magic or managed to learn magic that turn her into a loli baba. And in the laplace war she decimated some Midgurd village.
Mmm, don't remember those info. Was it stated in any chapter or merely on one the author's side materials and/or Q&A stuff?

Okashira

2016-02-06, 05:25

Mmm, don't remember those info. Was it stated in any chapter or merely on one the author's side materials and/or Q&A stuff?

Nah, people keep misplacing info all over the place. I remember that it was mentioned that Aisha without Rudeus became too complacient on her "Genius" title, and thus accomplished nothing in life, wasn't Ted who mentioned this once?

Someone asked, and Aisha in the Hitogami future loop died working as a maid when some enemy forces were trying to capture Zanoba dead or alive.

Anyway, new chapter is about searching for the eloping shotacon. Was Ariel angry due to being woken up?? :heh: :heh: Anyway, not any clue found in for about a year, I guess Aisha might even be pregnant now?....

Breimn

2016-02-06, 05:28

1 year passed before they were found. Let s hope she did not give birth already without letting Ars grow up..

Hakatri

2016-02-06, 05:37

If we make some memory Aisha developed her crush on Rudeus when she was five years old and keept those feelings for almost twenty-thirty years while moving those feelings into Ars so its not strange for her to accept that Ars can develop a serious crush on her while being five and kept that as true feelings because she already did that as a kid

And Rudues had that dream where she married Aisha so i guess you can say Ars fulfilled the dream of his father...

Im still expecting Ariel to make some moves trying to pair her kids with Rudeus kids, maybe with Silphy's help

El Rue

2016-02-06, 06:09

Just read it, MT is always good with cliffhangers eh?

We also find out the origins of his struggle about it & we're reminded just how much of a trash he was in his original life.

Starlightz

2016-02-06, 07:07

Nah, people keep misplacing info all over the place. I remember that it was mentioned that Aisha without Rudeus became too complacient on her "Genius" title, and thus accomplished nothing in life, wasn't Ted who mentioned this once?

Nah, the author said in the Q & A after last chapter that the Kingdom's genius Magic Knight was Aisha, I just checked yesterday because I was skeptical of that as well. The Laplace War or her inventing some kind of magic that keep herself young isn't mentioned anywhere, though. She was only mentioned in 3 lines in that last epilogue chapter in total, and there wasn't any description of her looks, so she might have been 80 years old for all we know.

Now that we have a chapter from Rudeus' perspective, we need a chapter from Aisha / Ars' perspective in this 1 year. Wonder how they feel about it.

Ruki0089

2016-02-06, 07:47

F**k you author!!! Fu*k!Fu*k!Fu*k!!.....:frustrated:
I hope someone kill your "son"!!!!:mad:
Hah~~.....dammit.....:( I feels want to cry now....
I never thought I will feel betrayed like this by my own most favorite novel....:(

Please don't mind me, I'm just venting!! I will try calm myself...:(

Hokoga

2016-02-06, 07:56

Thanks Lucas99 that actually made me feel better.
I hope someone kill your "son"!!!!:(Extreme as always I see...

Ladiusman

2016-02-06, 08:09

Okaaay....some of you guys clearly need to step away from the computer and chill out by taking the Gintoki method; by drinking yourself unconscious.

And no, no one's gonna die, lol. How nice is it to conveniently forget the 34 years old chapter, eh? :p

Please don't mind me, I'm just venting!! I will try calm myself...:(

.....I thought you "dropped" this? Now you're just being a masochist, mate. :p

Ruki0089

2016-02-06, 08:16

I'm not masochists.... And I already delete and removed all related to mushoku tensei... So I already drop this one...

kusabireika

2016-02-06, 08:32

uhm I'm new here but I want to ask is this wn good to read plz don't spoiled me, I hope it's ok to ask this question. T_T :T_T:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Star-3_zpsr0kvbvht.gif

Ruki0089

2016-02-06, 08:39

No, don't read it!!!! You will regret it!!! Just like me!!!

kusabireika

2016-02-06, 08:41

@Ruki0089: why.... I'm bit confuse. T_T :T_T:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Star-10_zpsqvwmk6ru.gif

Ruki0089

2016-02-06, 08:45

No, you have to stay away from this one no matter what!!!!
You will break like a second use bit*h!!!

kusabireika

2016-02-06, 08:49

@Ruki0089: give me a reason to stay away reading it coz if you give me a good reason I might try to read it. ^^? :nod:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Star-11_zpsybjqv596.gif

Ladiusman

2016-02-06, 08:50

I'm not masochists.... And I already delete and removed all related to mushoku tensei... So I already drop this one...

...and yet you're still here. That tells me all I need to know, lol. :p

Breimn

2016-02-06, 08:50

Nevermind Ruki, he is known to be a little strange and to stalk people in this forum.
IF you like magic and magicians this is the story for you.

Ladiusman

2016-02-06, 08:51

kusabireika

2016-02-06, 08:59

mickbis

2016-02-06, 09:02

This LN is one of the top Tensei story
deep background and world building
a lot of character with a lot of character development
so I think you should try

kusabireika

2016-02-06, 09:06

@mickbis: uhm ok I will read it..... err uhm gonna google it, thx for suggestion . ^^:blush:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Star-8_zpswdcdrpmz.gif

mickbis

2016-02-06, 09:25

@Ladiusman: is there a trap or reverse trap here, I'm ok with incest because I'm also reading mahouka. ^^ :blush:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Star-16_zpsxeph4l28.gif

uhm my question is
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Star-3_zpsr0kvbvht.gif

is the MC OP and who is/are MC's Wife are they also strong as him ?
is it light hearted fantasy elements with a story with some serious elements also ?
and finally is the Minor & Major characters/antagonist good ?

1. He is strong but not that OP compare to the other top rank bring
and he like to stay low profile
his wifes is also strong and independent women each have her own strong point but MC still really strong
2. This one lean toward the serious element with some light heart moment
3. Every Character have their own story character development and motivation

kusabireika

2016-02-06, 09:28

@mickbis: thx I will add this on my reading list. ^^V :blush:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Star-5_zpsb4nhmaxn.gif

Ruki0089

2016-02-06, 09:29

Tidakkkkkj!!!! Jangan baca ini! Nyesel lu nanti!!!

yulinard

2016-02-06, 09:39

Mmm, don't remember those info. Was it stated in any chapter or merely on one the author's side materials and/or Q&A stuff?

I pout "probably" in it and love to be proven wrong.

babbo3d

2016-02-06, 09:46

Is it a big deal the aisha ended with ars.

kazzuya

2016-02-06, 09:47

And here I thought that both Ars and Aisha adore and respect Rudy. And wishes to make him proud. And they both stab him in the back.
I can barely tolerate ancient baldy but not this.

babbo3d

2016-02-06, 09:54

Ancient baldy?

mickbis

2016-02-06, 09:59

Ancient baldy?

Bald Lolicon

babbo3d

2016-02-06, 10:08

But rudeus is a lolicon, and if it's age gap his and roxy, and norms and baldy is bigger.
As for the family thing from my experience having read the story all this years is that is probably not normal but not completely outrages either ( it is the culture of a medieval age magic world so is bound to be different).

lexlexz

2016-02-06, 10:17

does anyone knows what the side stories in the manga are about?
i think i heard that the one in vol 1 is about shylph father point of view or something correct me if wrong?
i dont know if there is a ss in vol 2? if there is what is about?
i am talking about novel side story here.

Amuris

2016-02-06, 14:55

you guy's understand this was suppose to be about the emotionally stunted Rudy finally growing up in his new life, and that part of growing up is seeing others become independent and start their own lives....right? Getting mad at the idea of his sisters marrying is the same as getting mad at the basic concept of the story. So, ya know, why cry cuz his sisters didn't end up with him?

@babbo3d

as I said before, it isn't a "medieval fantasy thing" it's part of Japanese culture as well. If they were in Japan, this would still happen pretty much the same way.

Echizen777

2016-02-06, 18:43

Xellos-_^

2016-02-06, 18:45

Well, Aisha and Ars are cousins, right? Is it forbidden in Japan or the world Rudeus is in? What is more shocking is the age difference and Aisha's own actions. Isn't she being too immature? Ars is 10 too, only 10. He's too immature.
Aisha is Rudi's half sister so she is Ars' aunt.

in japan, it is probably illegal BUT probably not in the Rudi's current world.

Breimn

2016-02-06, 18:54

Well, Ars is her nephew, right? Is it forbidden in Japan or the world Rudeus is in? What is more shocking is the age difference and Aisha's own actions. Isn't she being too immature? Ars is 10 too, only 10. He's too immature.

Now 11. And if they got found she probably already gave birth too so she let herself get found, betting a cookie on it.

kazzuya

2016-02-06, 18:59

Breimn

2016-02-06, 19:02

Hey , dont ask me. While i like the /ss/ train i got angry too at this elopement.
Same for a few nips.

Amuris

2016-02-06, 20:21

Aisha is Rudi's half sister so she is Ars' aunt.

in japan, it is probably illegal BUT probably not in the Rudi's current world.

I keep saying that it is legal in Japan.
...
.....
........I know I sound overly concerned, and I am. Everytime someone says that, I'm reminded of my genetics class and how we have to stop so everyone can go "ewww" whenever we see a pedigree with inbreeding. For f$#% sake, it's a junior level class in uni. Not a single one of you is a teenage, act like it!

Ladiusman

2016-02-06, 20:24

Bah, again, you all are forgetting chapter 261. No one's dying, there's no Hitogami and everything will turn out rosy by the end. Sucks that elopement happened I guess, but everything will turn out all right anyways.

DragonKing0117

2016-02-06, 22:32

Is it a big deal the aisha ended with ars.

Yes. :frustrated:

And before somebody assumes I'm mad "cuz incest herpaderp :eyespin:"

I have no problem with incest
Said case of "incest" is technically legal anyway, so stop making a big deal of it
Incest has nothing to do with why I dislike the Aisha x Ars pairing

It's more of the fact Aisha took her feelings and used Ars as a replacement for Rudeus instead of moving on to someone outside the family.

That and the fact that I just don't like Ars in general. :heh:

Welp, fanfiction exists for a reason.

Starlightz

2016-02-06, 22:35

What I'm saying is that Aisha is supposed to be smart and mature. Why didn't she try harder to convince Rudy of their relationship and make him give his blessings in their union just like Norn. Rudy is not heartless and over time he will consent and he can never be too hard on them after all Aisha is his precious sister and Ars is his son. But no they had to eloped. Leaving behind sour feelings. Furthermore while they are out of protection Rudy's range Hitogami could easily make his move. And all those years Rudy has spend in order to protect them will be wasted.
She actually tried, and pretty much begged Rudi to convince her that he wasn't splitting them apart to break them up. All she got in reply were more or less in the line of "no", "I don't know but it's NG" and similar - how do you reasoning with people like that? Given time, maybe, but seeing they were going to make Ars drop out off Magic University and transfer to Asura soon, it's not like they have time to slowly convince him especially with the attitude he showed during the meeting. That's why I said it might have gone differently if Rudy had calmly explained his reasons to them - alas, that wasn't his strong point.

Also, Aisha is a genius, she probably planned ahead of possible situations. The fact that she and Ars was elusive for a full year with Rudy using his connections to find them is enough proof that she probably would be able to avoid Hitogami's apostle if needed too as well. It'd be funny, though, if it is going to be revealed later that other members of the family actually supported and helped her in secret during that year.

Ars is 10 too, only 10. He's too immature.
Ariel had her concubines and tried to raep Sylphy at around 12. Rudy had his first time at 12 / 13. Ars - being Rudy & Eris' kid - is clearly going to be better than his father in this aspect at least. The Asura noble blood doesn't lie.

Hokoga

2016-02-06, 23:04

Yes. :frustrated:

And before somebody assumes I'm mad "cuz incest herpaderp :eyespin:"

I have no problem with incest
Said case of "incest" is technically legal anyway, so stop making a big deal of it
Incest has nothing to do with why I dislike the Aisha x Ars pairing

It's more of the fact Aisha took her feelings and used Ars as a replacement for Rudeus instead of moving on to someone outside the family.

That and the fact that I just don't like Ars in general. :heh:

Welp, fanfiction exists for a reason.All I could do is nod in agreement as I read this comment :nod:(too bad this is the only smiley that could represent my agreement)

And as for the bold part, you pretty much took the words right out of my mouth. :heh:

MinusVitamin

2016-02-07, 00:59

Can anyone provide a summary? I can't seem to make sense of anything in Google Translate.

The only thing i'm saddened by is that my AishaxAlek ship sunk, aside from that I feel indifferent about incest.

Starlightz

2016-02-07, 05:47

New chapter is out. Yup, Eris is as fierce and awesome as ever. Ars showed a lot of signs of being a great swordman later, I guess, and

showed his determination rival that of Rudi's, down to the missing arm.

Can anyone provide a summary? I can't seem to make sense of anything in Google Translate.

The only thing i'm saddened by is that my AishaxAlek ship sunk, aside from that I feel indifferent about incest.
Well, the summary was posted in this thread & 4ch if you want to look for it. The extremely shortened version (and by that I meant reallly shortened, I skipped a lot of minor details, this is just the gist of the story) is that

Ars & Aisha are in love with each other. Rudeus came home one day and found out the two were having sex in Aisha room, so they had a family meeting after. Ars was being really passive and Aisha did all of the talking / explaining. Initially she claimed it was for the sake of preparing Ars for future relationship and when Sylphy asked if she would do the same thing for Sieg / Clive as well, she - after a painful pause - said yes. At that point, Eris promptly launched Ars to the wall and then beat him to a pulp for being so damn passive and making Aisha said that ("I taught you to protect the one you love" or so, a bit lazy to check it again). Aisha then confessed her love to Ars, explaining it, and asked to get married to him later.

Rudi was against their relationship, and decided to did what Paul did - transfer Ars to Asura Kingdom Academy since he (Ars) is too attached to Aisha (similar to Sylphy - Rudeus before). Aisha was surprised, and tried to convince him to explain or change his decision, but Rudi was pretty stubborn - instead of explaining, he just keep to the line of "No, because I said no". Eventually, Aisha seemed to accept it (she doesn't). In another meeting after with just Rudeus & the wives, apparently Sylphy and Eris noticed the sign a while ago. Rudeus gave his reasoning in another family meeting with just him & the three wives, but realized he might be the odd one out due to his previous life (aka our world). The next day, the two (Aisha & Ars) eloped.

Rudi tried his best to find the two, but he couldn't, even when using his large information network. Rudeus kinda regretted his decision, and realized part of his reason was how much of a trash he was in the past life (he was fapping to his niece in the first chapter). Most of people don't have much problem with the couple, and Rudeus decided he'd talk all about everything with Aisha when they meet next time. Aisha & Ars weren't found until one year later.

Breimn

2016-02-07, 05:58

Seems like he grew up.

El Rue

2016-02-07, 07:19

It's more of the fact Aisha took her feelings and used Ars as a replacement for Rudeus instead of moving on to someone outside the family.
That is merely your interpretation and/or impression & as of now, not a fact.

Got to wait & see Aisha's POV & thoughts in all of this...but it seems a lot of people have made up their minds no matter what regardless.
Seems like he grew up.
He's still immature & weak, but in a sense, he's definitely grown into an adult now especially after showing Rudy levels of dedication & determination...I can respect that.

In-Tea

2016-02-07, 08:58

I'm curious why Aisha still in the house while Ars beaten up to death like that...

still hate both Aisha and Ars for making Rudy uneasy for 1 year, but seeing Ars determination a bit comparable to what Rudy do when he duel with Orsted, I think I can acknowledge this ship.....

Hakatri

2016-02-07, 09:22

Damn, the response to AishaxRudeus not shipping was too unreasonable and fanatic even when it was already stablished as not happening

Well, at least the new chapter made everyone move into speculation rather than cloth tearing

does anyone knows what the side stories in the manga are about?
i think i heard that the one in vol 1 is about shylph father point of view or something correct me if wrong?
i dont know if there is a ss in vol 2? if there is what is about?
i am talking about novel side story here.

To this point none of the manga's side stories are based on the WN side stories, all they are point s of view

In the manga the first two side stories are in the WN volume 1 as Points of View inside the normal chapters and the third side story is from the Silphiette chapter relating Silphy's point of view but they use the dad as the narrator instead of the neutral voice of the WN as an excuse to have that story too early, the side story of the novel volume 2 is about Roxy looking for Rudeus after the metastasis event, she reaches Fedoa in half a year and then decide to search in the demon continent

There is a Bard doing some traveling and story researching but thats is just another character to help narrate the points of view and that Bard has been in the normal chapters and the side stories... thinking on it a little they may reveal the Bard true identity to be the Bloody Count, that would be a nice touch and she/he? is always completly covered in cloth so a vampire may be an actual possibility

Proto

2016-02-07, 11:49

The problem with pedophilia is not with it being technically legal/illegal/anathema to x or y religious principles/the fact that it is incestous in this case. It is actually something much more fundamental than that: the power asymmetry in a pedophilic relationship.

Physical power asymmetry is one thing, but the mental power asymmetry is much more important in this case. Relationships that are not developed on a principle of partner equality will be unhealthy in several ways: co-dependence, manipulation, etc. This is much more relevant when we aren't even talking about adults since children don't have the emotional development and tools to effectively assert their position in a relationship, and as such they are completely emotionally dependent on their partner at best, and on a submissive/abused position at worst. Furthermore their emotional and psychological development will be stumped, further diminishing the chances of they ever developing a healthy relationship.

Although from a story POV this makes for quite some interesting events that may lead to good character development, and furthermore it makes for an interesting comparison studiy on the social differences between our world and the one in Mushoku Tensei, the story feels pretty manipulative when it implies Rudeus previous/our world values in a backwards light, specially when we consider that culturally the society we are living in has centuries of development advantage over the one in Mushoku Tensei and we are much more aware of the mental and emotional psychological stages of children/teenagers.

I can't really feel myself agreeing with other points people have raised (Ars being unlikeable? he has barely had any development so far. having some character arcs focused on him should instead be celebrated. Feeling that Aisha is betraying Rudeus? That's just product of people projecting themselves on the protagonist. Who cares which fictional character gets along with which fictional character as long as the development itself is well justified) however depending on how the author develops the story this might really end up feeling like merely wish fulfillment on his part without care for the finer points of the characters' psychology.

Disclaimer: I'm still slowly reading through the chapters, I'm not done so I may be missing some developments. High school Japanese classes doing work.

Amuris

2016-02-07, 13:29

Although from a story POV this makes for quite some interesting events that may lead to good character development, and furthermore it makes for an interesting comparison studiy on the social differences between our world and the one in Mushoku Tensei, the story feels pretty manipulative when it implies Rudeus previous/our world values in a backwards light, specially when we consider that culturally the society we are living in has centuries of development advantage over the one in Mushoku Tensei and we are much more aware of the mental and emotional psychological stages of children/teenagers.

...new...pet peeve...its cooommiiing...I can't fight it...I can't fight it...I can't fight it!...so I (won't) hide it.

The problem with that is, your going by the assumption of a cultural/social superiority of our world compared to theirs. That would make sense...if the fantasy world displayed here or in other novels reflected our past with any sense of accuracy. Instead, the cities are designed following Napoleon III's, open and walkable as most modern cities are designed. Instead, plumbing is rarely brought up as an issue. The water is clean and the citizens treat disease as an actual issue rather than a fact of life.

tl;dr
Fantasy stories like this aren't based on our past. They tend to reflect a dumbed down, technologically underdeveloped(alternatively developed in some cases) version of modern society with their biggest problems being with gangs(of adventurers), racism, power abuse etc. They focus on things which are still a problem in modern society (well, you write what you know). For such a society, you shouldn't assume superiority over. It would actually be a much smarter move on the author's part to have Rudy reflect on it and seriously consider if what he knows is actually superior or just an arbitrary result of specific developments.

Like, you argued that a power balance would need to be maintained for a healthy relationship. What exactly is the standard for a health relationship? I consider the relationship in Sundome to be healthy, reflective of an emotionally supportive form of dependence. There are couples who have happy relationships based on this kind of thing. I'm not saying that it shouldn't matter if one of them is too young to make a decision about such a relationship but deciding when someone is able to make those decisions (especially if your going by a specific region's laws) or that a relationship with a power imbalance is bad, you have to make assumptions. So, yeah, I'm glad Rudy just doesn't assume stuff based on his old world now. He get's into too much trouble when he does that.

yes, my tl;dr was longer than the original.http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/deal_with_it_spider.gif

MinusVitamin

2016-02-07, 18:09

New chapter is out. Yup, Eris is as fierce and awesome as ever. Ars showed a lot of signs of being a great swordman later, I guess, and

showed his determination rival that of Rudi's, down to the missing arm.

Well, the summary was posted in this thread & 4ch if you want to look for it. The extremely shortened version (and by that I meant reallly shortened, I skipped a lot of minor details, this is just the gist of the story) is that

Ars & Aisha are in love with each other. Rudeus came home one day and found out the two were having sex in Aisha room, so they had a family meeting after. Ars was being really passive and Aisha did all of the talking / explaining. Initially she claimed it was for the sake of preparing Ars for future relationship and when Sylphy asked if she would do the same thing for Sieg / Clive as well, she - after a painful pause - said yes. At that point, Eris promptly launched Ars to the wall and then beat him to a pulp for being so damn passive and making Aisha said that ("I taught you to protect the one you love" or so, a bit lazy to check it again). Aisha then confessed her love to Ars, explaining it, and asked to get married to him later.

Rudi was against their relationship, and decided to did what Paul did - transfer Ars to Asura Kingdom Academy since he (Ars) is too attached to Aisha (similar to Sylphy - Rudeus before). Aisha was surprised, and tried to convince him to explain or change his decision, but Rudi was pretty stubborn - instead of explaining, he just keep to the line of "No, because I said no". Eventually, Aisha seemed to accept it (she doesn't). In another meeting after with just Rudeus & the wives, apparently Sylphy and Eris noticed the sign a while ago. Rudeus gave his reasoning in another family meeting with just him & the three wives, but realized he might be the odd one out due to his previous life (aka our world). The next day, the two (Aisha & Ars) eloped.

Rudi tried his best to find the two, but he couldn't, even when using his large information network. Rudeus kinda regretted his decision, and realized part of his reason was how much of a trash he was in the past life (he was fapping to his niece in the first chapter). Most of people don't have much problem with the couple, and Rudeus decided he'd talk all about everything with Aisha when they meet next time. Aisha & Ars weren't found until one year later.

thanks for the summary!

MinusVitamin

2016-02-07, 18:37

I'm curious why Aisha still in the house while Ars beaten up to death like that...

Probably with child

In-Tea

2016-02-08, 02:32

Probably with child

yeah that's posible... it have to be some sort of situation where she can't get up even when hearing Ars sreaming and roaring during the batle like maybe she just give a birth recently..... I can't really think that Aisha will just hide in the house leaving Ars fighting to his death alone... but who knows...

really can't wait for the next chapter!:)

Starlightz

2016-02-08, 05:52

New chapter with Aisha's perspective is out and clear a few details that had been speculated.

Breimn

2016-02-08, 06:10

As expected they had a child. She is in last month of pregnancy.
Next ch will probably be the children s birth(2 kids)

Okashira

2016-02-08, 06:54

Managote really likes his drama, and of course the making up scene was Daww inducing

El Rue

2016-02-08, 08:12

Pretty good chapter as we finally see Aisha's perspective & thoughts more from her early childhood up to now & how the elopement is resolved.

Ladiusman

2016-02-08, 09:46

Man, so this makes Ars one of the youngest fathers ever in the WN/LN world, eh? So, um, congrats to him? And certainly didn't expect Rudy to become a grandfather so soon too. :D

So any other examples of young fathers in the Manga/LN/WN world?

In-Tea

2016-02-08, 11:09

damn... this WN really know how to play with my emotion.... that's really emotional reunion... it's like all my burden from reading this arc early chapter instantly gone with this chapter :T_T:

babbo3d

2016-02-08, 18:14

How was aisha point of view, i really want to know.

El Rue

2016-02-08, 19:12

How was aisha point of view, i really want to know.
Enlighteningly informative.

Cinocard

2016-02-08, 23:29

Enlighteningly informative.

Haha, you just tease him even more.

El Rue

2016-02-09, 06:21

So I guess that was the last chapter of the arc? Rirya's reaction upon their return was...scary.

The 3 did smooth things out after their private 5-6 hour talk with weepings in between. Lots of consequences in the aftermath too.

Quite satisfying I say although some have grievances on the arc's events, Ars & Aisha grew up into adulthood many ways (also their kid's a boy).

Also, it seems Rudy finally told all the wives about his secret. About time...

kaisis

2016-02-09, 07:00

Ladiusman

2016-02-09, 07:08

In Mother of Learning, one of the MC's associates is a teenage dad.
Aw man, can't believe I forgot about that one. Reminds me that it's time to catch up on that.

So I guess that was the last chapter of the arc? Rirya's reaction upon their return was...scary.

The 3 did smooth things out after their private 5-6 hour talk with weepings in between. Lots of consequences in the aftermath too.

Quite satisfying I say although some have grievances on the arc's events, Ars & Aisha grew up into adulthood many ways (also their kid's a boy).

Also, it seems Rudy finally told all the wives about his secret. About time...
Man, I honestly couldn't help but chuckle at Lillia's initial reaction when she saw Aisha again. :heh:

I guess with this arc, Lucy x Clive is a real possibility now, huh?

CNine

2016-02-09, 07:23

We finally got to the Middle point before sequel

El Rue

2016-02-09, 09:57

I guess with this arc, Lucy x Clive is a real possibility now, huh?
Well, they were dating but grew a bit estranged because of the time & distance right? Despite their promise, Clive's in Millis while Lucy found a new a love in the Asura school. Although, who knows what the future may bring.

Lara doesn't seem to have someone yet (plus Leo's always around her. Scares the boys?).
We finally got to the Middle point before sequel
Oh? what other character arcs are planned again?

Also there' a possibility that there would be more...maybe.

Breimn

2016-02-09, 10:03

Lucy is going to become like Ariel and make reverse harem :P ( a jk)

Ladiusman

2016-02-09, 10:11

Well, they were dating but grew a bit estranged because of the time & distance right? Despite their promise, Clive's in Millis while Lucy found a new a love in the Asura school. Although, who knows what the future may bring.

Lara doesn't seem to have someone yet (plus Leo's always around her. Scares the boys?)
Oh, I didn't really mean anything by that, just talking out loud to myself. Yeah, they're apart right now and all....but yeah, we'll see.

MinusVitamin

2016-02-09, 16:35

I wanted to know what was the wive`s reaction when Rudeus told them about his previous life.

Lol at Lilia`s initial reaction when she heard Aisha came back.

So these are what i managed to pick up from the very rough google translation:

Aisha came back with Ars and Rudeus

Lilia reconcile with Aisha and Ars after Rudeus left them alone

Aisha apologized to the family and was forgiven

A punishment was decided by Aisha that she will leave to Asura kingdom to serve under Ariel. She cannot see her child and Ars until the day Rudeus and Eris approve Ars as an adult. They can`t marry until then too, but Aisha was allowed to stay with her child during some parts of infancy before she leaves.

Rudeus finally dropped the infodump about his past life to his wives. Sadly we don`t get to see their reaction to this.

Timeskip

4 years later, Ars was able to become saint rank in Sword God style and was taught the sword of light from Eris. He also got better at magic but not to the same degree as his sword skills. He can use chantless incantation. He graduated with high scores.

Aisha came back, they married and bought a house in Sharia and is now living together with their child. She cleans and cooks around the house but without the maid outfit.

Aisha became more mature and understanding to human emotion, and less manipulative.

To add, Lucy and Clive started dating until Clive left to Millis. Lucy has a new bf now, poor Clive.

Lara still hanging out with Leo.

From what El Rue said, Leo might be keeping the boys at bay, or perhaps it is because she looks like a middle schooler. In any case, pregnancy will be a problem for Lara if that were to happen, because fuck Hitogami.

Also there' a possibility that there would be more...maybe.

we need a zanoba or juliet arc.

Hokoga

2016-02-09, 17:56

Lara still hanging out with Leo.

From what El Rue said, Leo might be keeping the boys at bay, or perhaps it is because she looks like a middle schooler. In any case, pregnancy will be a problem for Lara if that were to happen, because fuck Hitogami.I'd like it if Leo gets a human form when he reaches adulthood (probably not going to happen though).

DragonKing0117

2016-02-09, 18:23

I'd like it if Leo gets a human form when he reaches adulthood (probably not going to happen though).

Going for the Lara x Leo route, eh? :eyebrow::heh::naughty:

yulinard

2016-02-09, 18:29

Love that I was proven wrong...For young fathers is normal since humanity is near extinction.

Hakatri

2016-02-10, 07:09

4 years later, Ars was able to become saint rank in Sword God style and was taught the sword of light from Eris. He also got better at magic but not to the same degree as his sword skills. He can use chantless incantation. He graduated with high scores.

To add, Lucy and Clive started dating until Clive left to Millis. Lucy has a new bf now, poor Clive.

Lara still hanging out with Leo.

From what El Rue said, Leo might be keeping the boys at bay, or perhaps it is because she looks like a middle schooler. In any case, pregnancy will be a problem for Lara if that were to happen, because fuck Hitogami.

we need a zanoba or juliet arc.

Ars is surely going to use a flaming sword, i bet Eris would if she could mostly because it looks cool

Its very possible that Clive will have a second crush erasig the first as it happened to Cliff, maybe with a slutty girl who will get along with Einalize, that would be hilarious

Lara still is in or below 1/10 of her lifespan, its too soon for anything and having her mother as a reference she wont feel rushed at all, also Leo is suposed to protect her from scry interference and one would expect her to be still single during the Laplace war

It would be cool to see July colaborating with Lily, maybe them would do the silly mad scientist routine as Rudeus and Zanoa did before

Ladiusman

2016-02-10, 07:20

madmanthan21

2016-02-10, 10:25

Heh, so Ars managed to become the Magic Swordsman his father could never become. Saint Rank Sword level along with chantless casting? Having that alone already makes him many times stronger than your average magician without it! :D

With the education revolution in progress, there must be quite a few of chantless magicians i would think.

Hakatri

2016-02-10, 10:28

BTW you guys were so enraged with the AishaxArs stuff that everyone overlooked a guess i trow (and that make me feel less special and snowflakable), i think the Bard from the manga is actually the Bloody Count, his/her gender is not clear and is always covered in cloth so pretty much could be a vampire and travels around talking with people

Ladiusman

2016-02-10, 10:41

yulinard

2016-02-10, 22:18

With the education revolution in progress, there must be quite a few of chantless magicians i would think.

Yeah, it is being taught. Just mean that there are still quite of number of magicians without the ability since it's not quite as widespread yet. Still, Saint ranked sword skill and magic is quite the deadly combination, so slowly, but surely, magic swordsmen like Ars will become more commonplace.

To use chantless you must know how universe work. Rudeus have advantage because of eathling natural science. You can see this when Rudeus teach the cat princess some magic.

Only Rudeus and Nanahoshi can do that.

BTW you guys were so enraged with the AishaxArs stuff that everyone overlooked a guess i trow (and that make me feel less special and snowflakable), i think the Bard from the manga is actually the Bloody Count, his/her gender is not clear and is always covered in cloth so pretty much could be a vampire and travels around talking with people

I remember that Jet li film "Once upon a time in china" have relationship like this.

The bard from Manga clearly Elinalize descent (half sister of Rawl, you need to wear extra disguise if you walk in Human dominated teritory or you will be top list of kidnapers and slavers). She was the first who report teleportation incident to autorities. She still can be bloody count. You dont have to be a vampire to have that chuni alias.

Hokoga

2016-02-10, 22:51

To use chantless you must know how universe work. :twitch: Your trolling right?

If not then how do you explain Sylphy & Julie?
They know how universe works as well? Julie?.........really?

Amuris

2016-02-10, 23:02

it never said you had to understand. In fact, Rudy manage simply by remembering the "feeling" from using the magic.

Your also forgetting that there was a native human who could use chantless magic before Rudy. A teacher that retired from the magic school before Rudy came.

Ladiusman

2016-02-10, 23:03

Hokoga

2016-02-10, 23:22

Understanding the universe??? :eyespin:

So all those magicians who learnt chantless casting as said in the Biography understand how the universe works? And Ars too? Man, learning how universes work sure seems easier as the years go by. :pArs actually became able to use chantless magic during one of his moments of 'enlightenment', Aisha who was near by asked him how he suddenly became able to use it, but it was too embarrassing to actually tell her so he avoided to question.

yulinard

2016-02-10, 23:53

My post is quite long and when I quote other post, my post is gone so I shotened quite a lot.

What I mean is comparing how a scientist and creationist when they try to explain "natural phenomenon" or "how universe works". Like explaining why objects fall, Scientist will say "Gravity" while creationist will say "goddidit". Rudy is in the "gravity" group while others in the "goddidit" group.

And in MT world it's just like that. Rudy know about natural science since he was earthling. Not everyone in MT world know about how things work. Linia doesn't know about how water works and she strugle to learn chantless water magic. And not just Linia, Alex II also doesn't know how weather works.

Your also forgetting that there was a native human who could use chantless magic before Rudy. A teacher that retired from the magic school before Rudy came.

Which indicate he actually know how nature works (I choose less controversy word) yet did not teach it to others. Or other people laugh at him when he try so he keep it for himself. Or just want to monopolize it so he can keep his job.

Hokoga

2016-02-11, 00:24

My post is quite long and when I quote other post, my post is gone so I shotened quite a lot.

What I mean is comparing how a scientist and creationist when they try to explain "natural phenomenon" or "how universe works". Like explaining why objects fall, Scientist will say "Gravity" while creationist will say "goddidit". Rudy is in the "gravity" group while others in the "goddidit" group.

And in MT world it's just like that. Rudy know about natural science since he was earthling. Not everyone in MT world know about how things work. Linia doesn't know about how water works and she strugle to learn chantless water magic. And not just Linia, Alex II also doesn't know how weather works.Basically your saying that Rudeus is the only one who can bring out the true power of chantless magic because of the knowledge he has from Earth?
While others even if they can use chantless magic they won't be able to use it to the same extent as Rudeus because of their lack of understanding? An example would be [Lightning] magic & [Electric] magic.
People from that world would be able to use chantless [Lightning] magic but unlike Rudeus they wouldn't be able to use [Electric] magic because they don't have an understanding of how lightning works.

yulinard

2016-02-11, 00:32

Basically your saying that Rudeus is the only one who can bring out the true power of chantless magic because of the knowledge he has from Earth?
While others even if they can use chantless magic they won't be able to use it to the same extent as Rudeus because of their lack of understanding? An example would be [Lightning] magic & [Electric] magic.
People from that world would be able to use chantless [Lightning] magic but unlike Rudeus they wouldn't be able to use [Electric] magic because they don't have an understanding of how lightning works.

I was saying Rudeus have basic understanding on how nature works so he have huge leverage on chantless magic. Since almost all people dont even know how cloud are formed or why fire burns.

It does not prevent other from obtaining the same knowledge since these knowledge can be taught. Or figure it out by themself.

I think in vol.1 Rudy think because he know how nature work he can use all chantless magic exept healing, since he don't know how healing works.

One of the gaiden is Norn educational reform or whatever. Will touch this subject, or not.

Starlightz

2016-02-11, 06:55

To use chantless you must know how universe work.

Which indicate he actually know how nature works (I choose less controversy word) yet did not teach it to others. Or other people laugh at him when he try so he keep it for himself. Or just want to monopolize it so he can keep his job.
Just correcting - understanding how nature works have nothing to do with being capable of using chantless magic. Using chantless magic is simply remembering the feeling of casting magic and reproduce it in your mind.

You are right that Rudeus' science knowledge DOES help him with magic. However, it's useful in the sense that he can make specific modifications for mixed magic for his desired effect that others aren't aware of. A simple example would be the Cumulonimbus spell in first volume. The spell itself create a thunderstorm cloud, regardless of the users' knowledge. Rudeus could manipulate the air current to maintain the cloud with a single cast, while other people who don't know how it works would just keep casting the spell to maintain it. The old teacher who were using chantless magic might have simply just used normal spells without any fancy modifications. Assuming that people need to know how nature works in order to use chantless magic isn't correct.

yulinard

2016-02-11, 07:20

Just correcting - understanding how nature works have nothing to do with being capable of using chantless magic. Using chantless magic is simply remembering the feeling of casting magic and reproduce it in your mind.

If its that easy everyone can use chantless not just handfull. Most magic used in MT are short chant. They should turn into chantless after repeated use but that is not what happening.

The old teacher who were using chantless magic might have simply just used normal spells without any fancy modifications. Assuming that people need to know how nature works in order to use chantless magic isn't correct.

I dont know. That is Rudy's graduation thesis and the author have not yet tell us what is written inside. That old guy maybe just happen to understand how nature work naturally but keep it for himself.

Maybe the next gaiden?

If I was correct, Rudy next step is to introduce science class in the curriculum with help from both Rudy and Nanahoshi, with Norn by teaching Baheril kids for testing ground (since that place is backward) and as result there are more chantless magician in the future.

madmanthan21

2016-02-11, 07:35

If its that easy everyone can use chantless not just handfull. Most magic used in MT are short chant. They should turn into chantless after repeated use but that is not what happening.

It is said that after a person is about over 6 or 7 years, it becomes much harder to learn chantless magic, therefore we can assume that it is about the adaptability of the mind, you can't expect a 5 year old to understand how air currents interact, and how electricity works, i don't think Rudeus himself knows (beyond a basic level) about electric charge, and electromagnetic force.

It's the same as learning a language, becomes much harder when you are an adult.

For eg. Lucy can use chantless magic no? But she doesn't understand what her parents are doing, she is just copying the 'feeling' that she got when watching Rudeus perform chantless magic.

yulinard

2016-02-11, 08:36

It is said that after a person is about over 6 or 7 years, it becomes much harder to learn chantless magic, therefore we can assume that it is about the adaptability of the mind, you can't expect a 5 year old to understand how air currents interact, and how electricity works, i don't think Rudeus himself knows (beyond a basic level) about electric charge, and electromagnetic force.

It's the same as learning a language, becomes much harder when you are an adult.

For eg. Lucy can use chantless magic no? But she doesn't understand what her parents are doing, she is just copying the 'feeling' that she got when watching Rudeus perform chantless magic.

I think 6-7 years thingie is about mana capacity (vol 1 and Lucy gaiden). So if you are kid, drain your mp everyday so you can have large mp pool latter (when Aisha choose to be maid, Rudy still ask her to drain her MP every day).

Electric and electromagnetic is elementary and middle school level science class. He drop out on high school...

Starlightz

2016-02-11, 11:36

I think 6-7 years thingie is about mana capacity (vol 1 and Lucy gaiden). So if you are kid, drain your mp everyday so you can have large mp pool latter (when Aisha choose to be maid, Rudy still ask her to drain her MP every day).

Electric and electromagnetic is elementary and middle school level science class. He drop out on high school...
It's probably both. This is how Rudeus used his chantless spells (putting in spoilers to save space, it's just excerpt from Vol. 1)

Huh...I didn't chant just now, right?
Why did......?
What I did was to recall the feeling of using that spell and imitating it in my mind.
But can it be that just redoing the flow of the magic made incantation unnecessary?
Was voiceless incantation that simple?
Wasn't it supposed to be an upper class technique?
“If it's that easy to succeed, what's the use of incantation?”
Even a novice like me can cast magic using voiceless incantation.
Concentrating the mana in my fingertips, and determining the shape in my mind.
That was bascially it.
In that case, incantation was completely unnecessary. Everyone can just do this instead.

He himself thought the same thing you did "everyone should be able to use it", which then he figured

There'll be several advantages to using incantations.
Firstly, it's easy.
Instead of explaining it as gathering the blood from the blood vessels in my body, everyone can simply recite it and succeed instead? Both teacher and student will have an easier time.
And after teaching this over and over again, it'll become [[incantation is something quintessential]].
<...>
Maybe I can think of it this way.
A magician typically starts out as a beginner and ends up as a veteran, and everyone uses the incantation method to cast.
After thousands of times, their bodies would be used to incantation.
And when it came to voiceless incantations, they didn't know what to do.
Therefore, as it's not disseminated, it's not recorded in the guidebook.

Yes, it is that easy. It's just that no one practiced their magic at an early age before. If you only need to understand how nature works, Roxy would have been able to use it after Rudy tried to teach her seeing she is a few times smarter than Sylphy - she never managed to. Also, reproducing the feeling of using mana might not be as simple as it sounds, seeing Rudeus thought that controlling his demon eye was similar to using voiceless incantations, yet Ruijerd mentioned a Superd warrior failing to control his demon eye until death.

Edit: oh, and what's about Norn's educational reform? This is the first time I ever heard of that. It certainly isn't in the list of what the author wanted to do for the extra stories - which he already cleared. Norn isn't even a good student herself, plus that she is a full time housewife now, carrying out an educational reform is... unlikely. Are you by any chance mistaking it with Roxy improving the voiceless incantation method in Rudeus' graduation thesis, making it something everyone can master?

Amuris

2016-02-11, 11:57

a lot of things to say here. The middle school stuff doesn't "explain" it to you so much as make you aware of its existence. To begin with, electromagnitism is actually responsible for any and all physical interactions we are aware of. It's how matter touches itself (at night). So I don't know what your getting at by mentioning it.

I think it is more closely related to the matter of language, but that's a bit off too. It is not easier for kids to learn a language than an adult. It is actually more difficult since they don't already have a firm basis in any language to use as an example. Where people get that from is that children who learn a language young lack an accent. This is probably what relates to chantless magic. The brain starts to shut out extraneous information as you get older.

madmanthan21

2016-02-11, 13:59

MinusVitamin

2016-02-11, 14:12

It would be cool to see July colaborating with Lily, maybe them would do the silly mad scientist routine as Rudeus and Zanoa did before

That would be a beautiful scene to imagine, I think i would a shed a tear if Rifujin were to make this happen.

In Julie's case, she'll probably create a doll that can brew beer. The dream lives on!

yulinard

2016-02-11, 19:00

Edit: oh, and what's about Norn's educational reform? This is the first time I ever heard of that. It certainly isn't in the list of what the author wanted to do for the extra stories - which he already cleared. Norn isn't even a good student herself, plus that she is a full time housewife now, carrying out an educational reform is... unlikely. Are you by any chance mistaking it with Roxy improving the voiceless incantation method in Rudeus' graduation thesis, making it something everyone can master?

It was posted here. At some time, not by me, after the main series ended.

Norn is the only one having high education on Baheril kingdom. She was now a wive of Supard chieftain who is also high ranking official in the Kingdom. If she want to do it, its possible. She also write books.

yulinard

2016-02-11, 19:03

Ok Found it.

From his blog, after he finish manuscript for v7, he'll continue writing gaidens.
Already looking forward to rice and soy sauce chapter.

ノルンの話
Norn's story

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アイシャの話
Story of [aisha]

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ゼニスとリーリャの話
Zenith and story of [ri-rya]

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子供達の話
Children's stories
（一人か二人、スピンオフにして別タイトルで書くかも）
(Does it make to one person or two people and spin-ofves and does it write by another title?)

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家族旅行
Family trip
（ミリス神聖国でクレアばあちゃんに孫を見せたり、湖で泳いだり、タルハンドの案内で青竜山脈の温泉に入ったり）
(The grandchild is shown to the Clare granny in a Millis sacred country, it swims in the lake, and enter the hot spring of a blue Tatsuyama pulse by guiding [taruhando]. )

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イゾルテの婚活話
[****hana] of [izorute]

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社長の日常
Daily life of president
（エルフ子ちゃんとかアレクとか交えつつ）
(Exchanging the elf child or [areku]. )

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ナナホシが飯を食う話
Story that [nanahoshi] eats rice

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改めて剣の聖地にいく話
Story where it goes to sacred ground of sword again

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魔法大学の魔術大会
Gramary rally of magic university

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ザノバが自動人形を完成させる話
Story that [zanoba] completes automaton

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ルークとアリエルのその後
Afterwards of rook and Ariel

未定or厳しい
It is ..or.. severe. undecided

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ルディと嫁三人+αのダンジョン攻略
Dungeon capture of Rudy and three brides + α

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ヴェラ&シェラアフターストーリー
Vera & [sheraafuta-suto-ri-]

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ジュリの両親の話
Story of parents of [juri]

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天大陸を冒険する話
Story that adventures in heaven continent

蛇足編ではやらず、別の機会に別タイトルで
Do not do, and in another title in the chapter of the superfluity at another chance

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篠原秋人・黒木誠司の話
[Akinin] Shinohara and black tree Seiji's stories

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ペルギウス様の若い頃のヤンチャ
[Yancha] when [perugiusu] is young
（ラプラス戦役の話）
(story of Laplace campaign)

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キシリカとバーディガーディの昔話
[Kishirika] and legend of birdie Gade
（第二次人魔大戦）
(the second [nin] great war)

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老デウスの一生
Life of old [deusu]

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ヒトガミ・龍族関連の謎
Mystery related to [hitogami] and [ryuuzoku]

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黒狼の牙のお話
Talk of black wolf's fang

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ララとレオがいかに救世主伝説するか
It is Lale and Leo is very saviour legend [suruka].

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ナナホシが最終的にどうなったか
How did [nanahoshi] become final?

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ノルンちゃんのハートフル学園デイズ
Norn's heartful educational institution [deizu]

Sebazu

2016-02-11, 19:52

Ok Found it.
From Kaezar's site.
Kaezar : May as well add more things. Author had given out a list that he will be including in Redundancy volume, the list includes :

List of things he will write :
Norn’s story → We’ve already got this.
Aisha’s story → We’ll probably get this next, maybe Aisha’s marriage(it’s not written Aisha’s marriage story just Aisha’s story)
Zenith & Lilya’s story
Kid’s story → He’s thinking about writing a different story as a spin-off for 1 or 2 kids
Family vacation → Showing the grandkids to Claire-obaasan in the Holy Kingdom of Milis, swimming in a lake, going to a hot springs in Blue Dragon Mountain range with Talhand as guide.
Izolte’s marriage hunting story
President’s everyday life → Along with Lil’ Elf-chan and Alek
Nanahoshi having a meal
Going to the Holy Land of Swords once again
Magic Tournament in the Magic University
Zanoba’s automaton completion story
Luke & Ariel’s afterwards

List of things he’s undecided about :
Dungeon capture by Rudi and 3 wives + α
Julie’s parents story
Adventuring in the Heaven Continent
Vera & Sierra after story

Different from Redundancy volume, things that will get their own title in time :
Shinohara Akito and Kuroki Seiji story
The mischievous young life of Perugius-sama(Laplace war story)
Legend of Kishirika and Badigadi(The second Human-Demon War)
Oldeus’ story(Oldeus = Old + Rudeus = Future Rudeus)
The mystery behind the relationship between Dragon race and Hitogami
Tale of the Black Wolf’s fang
The legend of how Lara and Leo comes to be the saviour
What happened to Nanahoshi in the end
Norn-chan’s heart-warming school days

All of this is merely provisional and subject to change.

Ladiusman

2016-02-11, 19:54

Ok Found it.

The last one is actually "Norn-chan’s heart-warming school days", which says nothing about any educational reform, but we'll see.

El Rue

2016-02-11, 20:26

Done Wow, already finished a lot huh
Norn’s story
Aisha’s story
Family vacation
Izolte’s marriage hunting story
President’s everyday life
Going to the Holy Land of Swords once again
Zanoba’s automaton completion story

Pending?
Nanahoshi having a meal
Zenith & Lilya’s story
Magic Tournament in the Magic University
Luke & Ariel’s afterwards

???
Kid’s story → He’s thinking about writing a different story as a spin-off for 1 or 2 kids

Hmm...this seems like an odd one. On one hand I really want to see all of those & more, on another I kinda' want to see the sequel soon as well. Ah, well...it will come eventually.

Ladiusman

2016-02-11, 20:46

We got Orsted's daily life already? I'm pretty certain chapter 13 doesn't count as a daily life story.

yulinard

2016-02-11, 20:47

The last one is actually "Norn-chan’s heart-warming school days", which says nothing about any educational reform, but we'll see.

Ok thx for the info. I read it just like that and its 9 months ago.

El Rue

2016-02-11, 20:48

Well, it was his POV and what he usually does in the office along w/ the secretary & Alex right?

What, that doesn't count as his daily life or his own personal chapter supposed to be longer?

Ladiusman

2016-02-11, 20:53

Well, it was his POV and what he usually does in the office along w/ the secretary & Alex right?

What, that doesn't count as his daily life or his own personal chapter supposed to be longer?
Well, the rest of the finished stories have their own section, like Norn's story under a title and so on. But we'll see I guess.

MinusVitamin

2016-02-12, 01:30

Hakatri

2016-02-12, 08:42

To use chantless you must know how universe work. Rudeus have advantage because of eathling natural science. You can see this when Rudeus teach the cat princess some magic.

Only Rudeus and Nanahoshi can do that.

I remember that Jet li film "Once upon a time in china" have relationship like this.

The bard from Manga clearly Elinalize descent (half sister of Rawl, you need to wear extra disguise if you walk in Human dominated teritory or you will be top list of kidnapers and slavers). She was the first who report teleportation incident to autorities. She still can be bloody count. You dont have to be a vampire to have that chuni alias.

When it comes to magic lets remmember Nanaoshi's point of view, according to her people in that world view things as already stablished and rarely tried to improve anything, actually thats a point of view many old people share in the countryside becase they saw little changes during their lifes and when technology came they had no idea how it works and simply considered it something beyond themselves, since Rudeus knows things can be changed and has mana to waste in experimentation he can try and try until something succeds even if his knowledge of science is not that complete

Because of that i assume that most people dont see magic as a system of material causes and effects driven by magic but as a system of causes and effects driven purely by magic, this means they have no idea of how those phenomena works beyond "you chant this and that happens" and their refination of technique is based more on their understanding by practice; we can think of it as magic being a programming system were people puts the codes and gets an output in reality without realizing they can do the same without the code and thinking it happens because of the code, someone described it as "god did it" versus "science happens" is also a good methapor

I just checked the Silphy manga chapter and the Bard makes no mention of knowing Rawls, also she has a big chest so i dont think she is descendant of Elinalize
BTW the manga artist makes some very cute babies

Ruki0089

2016-02-12, 08:44

I read this again when oldeus story... It will be good story...

Hakatri

2016-02-12, 08:54

i'm more interested in Oldeus's story, it seems like it will be the most difficult one to read. If he choose to make one that is, that and the revelation about Hitogami. We don't know why this cunt is so hellbent on staying alive or trying not to get sealed

Nanahoshi having a meal is going to be super epic. I can't wait.

Also where did it say that the bard is a elf? I had thought she was bloody count or technique god.

About that I was wondering if there was more creatures like Hitogami, he lives in the void world that is inside the six surface worlds (lets remmember they were in a face of a cube mega world) if Hitogami is the Human God could there be other gods for every world? maybe Hitogami manipulated the Dragon Tribe to destroy the other worlds and become the only one in the Void World... for watever reason, or maybe Hitogami was a dragon tribe member who ascended to (pseudo?) godhood after killing the gods via world destruction

I assumed the Technique God was an overly muscular dude with leather armor and metal bracelets with a very short hair cut, for some reason

yulinard

2016-02-12, 10:45

When it comes to magic lets remmember Nanaoshi's point of view, according to her people in that world view things as already stablished and rarely tried to improve anything, actually thats a point of view many old people share in the countryside becase they saw little changes during their lifes and when technology came they had no idea how it works and simply considered it something beyond themselves, since Rudeus knows things can be changed and has mana to waste in experimentation he can try and try until something succeds even if his knowledge of science is not that complete

I cant blame that since they are almost extinct 400 years ago. Progress can only happen in stable society.

I just checked the Silphy manga chapter and the Bard makes no mention of knowing Rawls, also she has a big chest so i dont think she is descendant of Elinalize
BTW the manga artist makes some very cute babies

I dont think it match the setting if Rawls invite stranger into his house that casually since he is at the bottom of society. Her hair will look like Elinalize if she put extra effort to curl them into oujousama style. Also you can be sure all Elinalize kids are half breed just like Rawls since she was kicked out of great forest 200 years ago and forced to live with humans. Her kids also banned from Great forest. Also he mentioned "our family tradition" which can possibly indicate her (or not) as one of 12-24 Elinalize kids that spread across Central and Millis continent, a hostile environment for non humans.

MinusVitamin

2016-02-12, 13:58

I dont think it match the setting if Rawls invite stranger into his house that casually since he is at the bottom of society. Her hair will look like Elinalize if she put extra effort to curl them into oujousama style. Also you can be sure all Elinalize kids are half breed just like Rawls since she was kicked out of great forest 200 years ago and forced to live with humans. Her kids also banned from Great forest. Also he mentioned "our family tradition" which can possibly indicate her (or not) as one of 12-24 Elinalize kids that spread across Central and Millis continent, a hostile environment for non humans.

Then why wear a hood when she is in a safe environment? Among adventurers, and under Rawl's roof she doesn't show so much than her mouth and nose. If Roxy wasn't given some bad treatment then neither should the bard. I mean syphy was bullied, and she didn't have a bag over her head.

Perhaps the bard was responsible in spreading the legend about summoning an other worldly being to come save the world from a demon in one of the other loops.

yulinard

2016-02-12, 22:07

Then why wear a hood when she is in a safe environment? Among adventurers, and under Rawl's roof she doesn't show so much than her mouth and nose. If Roxy wasn't given some bad treatment then neither should the bard. I mean syphy was bullied, and she didn't have a bag over her head.

Perhaps the bard was responsible in spreading the legend about summoning an other worldly being to come save the world from a demon in one of the other loops.

I think its clear in ch1 Asura is hostile to non human. Rawls can only pick the lowest and dangerous occupation, everyone afraid of Roxy, and in the town of Roa only lord mansion accept Great forrest inhabitant because of the Lord ear fetish, after Teleport incident all the maid return to Great forest. Oh also Shylphy wear hood and dress like a boy before she meet Rudy.

The most progressive place in central continent is Tri magic kingdom because they make money from mage and since good mage are rare they extend their guild membership to all race. Second after that is Baheril since they are weak. Third is Dragon Kingdom, maybe because king harem, in vol 2 Rudy said that they have Midgurd running around doing kidnaping ring and have two halfbreed as commander.

MinusVitamin

2016-02-12, 23:06

I think its clear in ch1 Asura is hostile to non human. Rawls can only pick the lowest and dangerous occupation, everyone afraid of Roxy, and in the town of Roa only lord mansion accept Great forrest inhabitant because of the Lord ear fetish, after Teleport incident all the maid return to Great forest. Oh also Shylphy wear hood and dress like a boy before she meet Rudy.

The most progressive place in central continent is Tri magic kingdom because they make money from mage and since good mage are rare they extend their guild membership to all race. Second after that is Baheril since they are weak. Third is Dragon Kingdom, maybe because king harem, in vol 2 Rudy said that they have Midgurd running around doing kidnaping ring and have two halfbreed as commander.

Then that makes the bard the only non-human who have to wear a hood. Out of all the non-humans we've seen who don't wear a hood they had never encounter any consequences whether they are in the magic kingdom or Asura. I don't ever remember anything about Gisu hiding his identity when he was travelling between cities. (well before he was caught as a apostle)
Also, Sylphy wearing her hood was to hide her hair color not her race.

The people of Asura aren't hostile towards non-humans, they only think of them as disreputable after the humans were cornered during the second demon vs human war (because the human realized how much of a jerk they were) . The only ones who are hostile are the extremist which are very few, and the snott nose brats.

CNine

2016-02-13, 00:00

Probably she's Blood Count

yulinard

2016-02-13, 00:34

Then that makes the bard the only non-human who have to wear a hood. Out of all the non-humans we've seen who don't wear a hood they had never encounter any consequences whether they are in the magic kingdom or Asura. I don't ever remember anything about Gisu hiding his identity when he was travelling between cities. (well before he was caught as a apostle)
Also, Sylphy wearing her hood was to hide her hair color not her race.

Most of them don't have to encounter slaver or kidnaper or strong enough to deal with them, or travel in group. Midgurd can pass as children, and Gisu can pass as regular human with weird face and have Hitogami help to avoid dangerous situation.

The people of Asura aren't hostile towards non-humans, they only think of them as disreputable after the humans were cornered during the second demon vs human war (because the human realized how much of a jerk they were) . The only ones who are hostile are the extremist which are very few, and the snott nose brats.

If that was true then there should be a large concentration of them since Asura is an economic giant (notice how high wages paid in Asura). But instead they are all concentrated in Tri kingdoms.

Probably she's Blood Count

I hope so.

Amuris

2016-02-13, 03:11

About that I was wondering if there was more creatures like Hitogami, he lives in the void world that is inside the six surface worlds (lets remmember they were in a face of a cube mega world) if Hitogami is the Human God could there be other gods for every world? maybe Hitogami manipulated the Dragon Tribe to destroy the other worlds and become the only one in the Void World... for watever reason, or maybe Hitogami was a dragon tribe member who ascended to (pseudo?) godhood after killing the gods via world destruction

I assumed the Technique God was an overly muscular dude with leather armor and metal bracelets with a very short hair cut, for some reason

I don't think you'll see more like him...or...you will? but not like your thinking. Remember the names of the worlds? Demon world, Dragon world, Human world, etc. As I recall, he started with the Dragon world by turning the Dragon Gods followers against him. Their world collapsed and Human God (for emphasis) went after the others until only the Human world was left.

So, I think when you see others like Hitogami it will be through arcs covering Hitogami's attacks against the original Dragon and Demon gods or something.

MinusVitamin

2016-02-13, 03:48

Most of them don't have to encounter slaver or kidnaper or strong enough to deal with them, or travel in group. Midgurd can pass as children, and Gisu can pass as regular human with weird face and have Hitogami help to avoid dangerous situation.

They are targeted under the assumption that they have no connection to anyone else in the land, meaning nobody will search for them. This can also be applied to those who wish to live a better life away from their homeland only to end up being sold as a slave due to debt and poor business as mentioned by Rudeus. Non-humans aren't targeted due to the hostility humans have toward their race, rather, they're targeted for profit. Similar case to how children being bagged indiscriminately after the Metastasis event. I also remember reading how Roxy subdued her kidnappers because they thought she was a lost child.

If that was true then there should be a large concentration of them since Asura is an economic giant (notice how high wages paid in Asura). But instead they are all concentrated in Tri kingdoms.

Well, the Asura kingdom have shit jobs for adventurers, so that's one good reason.

There is discrimination against non-humans, however it's far from being a witch hunt. Among adventurers, race is only a trifling matter. It stands to reason that the bard isn't hiding her identity because of her race. I feel like it is just Rifujin trying to hide her identity from the readers. Why continue wearing something that covers your head, and a good portion of your face when your under the roof of someone you know well, or in a group of adventurers who won't give a damn.

yulinard

2016-02-13, 07:24

There is discrimination against non-humans, however it's far from being a witch hunt. Among adventurers, race is only a trifling matter. It stands to reason that the bard isn't hiding her identity because of her race. I feel like it is just Rifujin trying to hide her identity from the readers. Why continue wearing something that covers your head, and a good portion of your face when your under the roof of someone you know well, or in a group of adventurers who won't give a damn.

Because that will be too obvious which is bad for a manga that will probably last for 20 volumes. You don't have to be a vampire to have Bloody Count (Bloody Kant?) as pen name, also did vampire exist? All you need is having long lifespan. Being half breed like Rawls is enough. And a reason to travel all over the world. Visiting her siblings to check if they are still alive and gathering interesting stories is enough.

Starlightz

2016-02-13, 07:49

About that I was wondering if there was more creatures like Hitogami, he lives in the void world that is inside the six surface worlds (lets remmember they were in a face of a cube mega world) if Hitogami is the Human God could there be other gods for every world? maybe Hitogami manipulated the Dragon Tribe to destroy the other worlds and become the only one in the Void World... for watever reason, or maybe Hitogami was a dragon tribe member who ascended to (pseudo?) godhood after killing the gods via world destruction

There are other gods for every world, just that they were likely dead 100,000 years ago. The first Dragon God, either manipulated or willingly cooperated with Hitogami, destroyed the barriers separating the worlds and all other four worlds (Demon World, Sea World, Heaven World, Beast World). Only after that, the five Dragon Kings rebelled against Dragon God and fought with him, ended up destroying the Dragon World as well (although they realized they were manipulated by Human God and came back to Dragon God's side at the end). I think it's fair to assume other worlds' gods were killed when the first Dragon God destroyed their worlds.

Hakatri

2016-02-13, 08:29

I cant blame that since they are almost extinct 400 years ago. Progress can only happen in stable society.

I dont think it match the setting if Rawls invite stranger into his house that casually since he is at the bottom of society. Her hair will look like Elinalize if she put extra effort to curl them into oujousama style. Also you can be sure all Elinalize kids are half breed just like Rawls since she was kicked out of great forest 200 years ago and forced to live with humans. Her kids also banned from Great forest. Also he mentioned "our family tradition" which can possibly indicate her (or not) as one of 12-24 Elinalize kids that spread across Central and Millis continent, a hostile environment for non humans.

Who again are 400 years extinct?

Those are too many asumptions, by that logic the Bard could be using a wig and fake boobs or she could be two midgets one in top of another (one with really long arms), my assumptions are all made based in confirmed info and the only thing i wonder is if she really is the Bloody Count and if she is a vampire, any conection to Elinalize is baseless until new info is added

There are other gods for every world, just that they were likely dead 100,000 years ago. The first Dragon God, either manipulated or willingly cooperated with Hitogami, destroyed the barriers separating the worlds and all other four worlds (Demon World, Sea World, Heaven World, Beast World). Only after that, the five Dragon Kings rebelled against Dragon God and fought with him, ended up destroying the Dragon World as well (although they realized they were manipulated by Human God and came back to Dragon God's side at the end). I think it's fair to assume other worlds' gods were killed when the first Dragon God destroyed their worlds.

I think to remmember that Orsted and Hitogami call each other as "Evil Dragon God" (i think it was in a foot note) so there is a chance of Hitogami being an ascended dragon race but is also unconfirmed is he is a god, as you i assumed the gods are connected to their world but that still leaves the question of why Orsted calls him evil dragon god, maybe Hitogami pretended to be a dagon race to begin with but that again leaves the other question of what the other gods were doing while hitogami was killing them

Thinking back Orsted and Hitogami mentioned the chance of destroying the world if Hitogami died so i wonder if the dragon race destroyed the other worlds trying to kill Hitogami but he just keept scaping

Starlightz

2016-02-13, 09:20

I think to remmember that Orsted and Hitogami call each other as "Evil Dragon God" (i think it was in a foot note) so there is a chance of Hitogami being an ascended dragon race but is also unconfirmed is he is a god, as you i assumed the gods are connected to their world but that still leaves the question of why Orsted calls him evil dragon god, maybe Hitogami pretended to be a dagon race to begin with but that again leaves the other question of what the other gods were doing while hitogami was killing them

Thinking back Orsted and Hitogami mentioned the chance of destroying the world if Hitogami died so i wonder if the dragon race destroyed the other worlds trying to kill Hitogami but he just keept scaping
Only Hitogami called Orsted / Dragon God "Evil Dragon God", Orsted has never referred to Hitogami as such (just looked through the main stories CTRL+F "Dragon God"). Seeing Hitogami was supposed to be Human God, there probably be some connection between him and the Human World and killing him would lead to Human World's destruction - other worlds probably destroyed the same way, by having their gods killed.

This is just a theory - since Hitogami is supposed to be Human God, he might not be in Void World from the start. Seeing only the Dragon Tribe know how to get to the Void World, and a Dragon God need 5 treasures - which requires the death a Dragon King each - to open the path, it might be possible that the 5 treasures were originated from the 4 destroyed world's gods + Hitogami. Maybe Hitogami passed his treasure to the first Dragon God and manipulated him to kill other Gods to gather all treasures, opening the path to the Void World - assuming there'd be some benefits in getting there, then betrayed him and get to the Void World by himself leaving DG behind with his 5 subordinate rebelling against him. That'd explain why Hitogami is the only god who does not reside in his own world and why first Dragon God started destroying other worlds all of a sudden, but didn't do anything against Human World (before he got killed anyway).

Hakatri

2016-02-13, 10:23

Only Hitogami called Orsted / Dragon God "Evil Dragon God", Orsted has never referred to Hitogami as such (just looked through the main stories CTRL+F "Dragon God"). Seeing Hitogami was supposed to be Human God, there probably be some connection between him and the Human World and killing him would lead to Human World's destruction - other worlds probably destroyed the same way, by having their gods killed.

This is just a theory - since Hitogami is supposed to be Human God, he might not be in Void World from the start. Seeing only the Dragon Tribe know how to get to the Void World, and a Dragon God need 5 treasures - which requires the death a Dragon King each - to open the path, it might be possible that the 5 treasures were originated from the 4 destroyed world's gods + Hitogami. Maybe Hitogami passed his treasure to the first Dragon God and manipulated him to kill other Gods to gather all treasures, opening the path to the Void World - assuming there'd be some benefits in getting there, then betrayed him and get to the Void World by himself leaving DG behind with his 5 subordinate rebelling against him. That'd explain why Hitogami is the only god who does not reside in his own world and why first Dragon God started destroying other worlds all of a sudden, but didn't do anything against Human World (before he got killed anyway).

Thats quite an interesting theory, i simply assumed that the six gods were residing inside the void from the begining (assuming they were gods) and thats why i questioned what the other gods were doing while Hitogami killed them (assuming it was him)

The teleport needs the existance of the Void World so if there was a benefit it may be related to teleport/timetravel, also the souls travel back to the void to dissapear so maybe it was the moment when the dragon tribe developed their reincarnation techniques

MinusVitamin

2016-02-13, 14:24

Only Hitogami called Orsted / Dragon God "Evil Dragon God", Orsted has never referred to Hitogami as such (just looked through the main stories CTRL+F "Dragon God"). Seeing Hitogami was supposed to be Human God, there probably be some connection between him and the Human World and killing him would lead to Human World's destruction - other worlds probably destroyed the same way, by having their gods killed.

This is just a theory - since Hitogami is supposed to be Human God, he might not be in Void World from the start. Seeing only the Dragon Tribe know how to get to the Void World, and a Dragon God need 5 treasures - which requires the death a Dragon King each - to open the path, it might be possible that the 5 treasures were originated from the 4 destroyed world's gods + Hitogami. Maybe Hitogami passed his treasure to the first Dragon God and manipulated him to kill other Gods to gather all treasures, opening the path to the Void World - assuming there'd be some benefits in getting there, then betrayed him and get to the Void World by himself leaving DG behind with his 5 subordinate rebelling against him. That'd explain why Hitogami is the only god who does not reside in his own world and why first Dragon God started destroying other worlds all of a sudden, but didn't do anything against Human World (before he got killed anyway).

there are 6 worlds . So if hitogami gave his treasure away then that would make it 6 treasure that orsted needs to gather, or perhaps there is an exception in having 5.

I'm really like this theory though.

Starlightz

2016-02-13, 16:28

there are 6 worlds . So if hitogami gave his treasure away then that would make it 6 treasure that orsted needs to gather, or perhaps there is an exception in having 5.

I'm really like this theory though.
Well, going with the theory, Hitogami and 4 other gods (Beast, Sea, Heaven, Demon)' treasures are passed down to five Dragon Kings and original Dragon God would have his own. If Dragon God's treasure is passed down automatically / magically from one Dragon God to the next (seeing Orsted has to kill the Dragon Kings to collect theirs, the treasures might not be purely physical ones), Orsted (or previous 98 Dragon Gods) would have gotten theirs when they become Dragon God, that left 5 treasures to get.

If that's the case, however, it'd bring up the question of why would Orsted need to kill the Dragon Kings to get their treasures if Hitogami & the original Dragon God could just freely passing them around. Maybe original Laplace (the 2nd Dragon God, not the one after getting splitted in two) simply didn't know how, so the method is lost - but if that's the case, poor the DKs.

yulinard

2016-02-13, 19:22

Who again are 400 years extinct?

Humans.

Thinking back Orsted and Hitogami mentioned the chance of destroying the world if Hitogami died so i wonder if the dragon race destroyed the other worlds trying to kill Hitogami but he just keept scaping

From conversation with Orsted he said Hitogami is responsible with destruction of dragon world.

If that's the case, however, it'd bring up the question of why would Orsted need to kill the Dragon Kings to get their treasures if Hitogami & the original Dragon God could just freely passing them around. Maybe original Laplace (the 2nd Dragon God, not the one after getting splitted in two) simply didn't know how, so the method is lost - but if that's the case, poor the DKs.

Because the treasure is attached to their live?

MinusVitamin

2016-02-14, 16:52

new redundancy chpt out on pielord.

I'm getting that warm and fuzzy feeling again.

lehur

2016-02-14, 22:45

Rudeus eventhough pervert he is really innocence, but lolicon
He should bang ariel, beastgirl, and adventurer girl
The good part of him is his devotion to roxy, osananajimi stupid sylph, and his lingering feeling fur Eris

Hakatri

2016-02-15, 10:14

Humans.

Humans are extinct? dafuq man?

So i was reading the new chapter in Pielord site and in retrospective the biography of Rudeus said nothing about a familiar relationship with Ariel or Cliff so i guess Clive and Lucy never got back and Rudeus's kids never married none of Ariel's kids

denfac

2016-02-15, 10:47

Ruki0089

2016-02-15, 11:00

Humans are extinct? dafuq man?

So i was reading the new chapter in Pielord site and in retrospective the biography of Rudeus said nothing about a familiar relationship with Ariel or Cliff so i guess Clive and Lucy never got back and Rudeus's kids never married none of Ariel's kids

If I was rudeus, why I have to send my children to married son or daughter of bitch queen like Ariel... And the lovely and genius little sister become stupid slut, just because she got proposed by her own nephew... Hah~~, this novel is good since character development was too good and perfect... Till author ruin the whole story..