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It's amazing this thread hasn't been created yet. Ah well. :heh: Some Wiki stuff:
Knights of Sidonia (シドニアの騎士 Sidonia no Kishi) is a manga series by Tsutomu Nihei, published by Kodansha in their magazine Afternoon. The manga series has been published in English in North America by Vertical. An anime television series adaptation, produced by Polygon Pictures, premiered in Japan in April 2014.
The story follows the exploits of Nagate Tanikaze, who lived in the underground layer of Sidonia since birth, raised by his grandfather. Never having met anyone else, he trains himself in an old Guardian pilot simulator every day, eventually mastering it. After his grandfather's death he is found by the rest of the population and selected as a Guardian pilot, in hopes of defending Sidonia from the Gauna's attack using his outstanding combat skills.
There are currently 12 volumes and the manga is still ongoing.
Maybe its because its super depressing dark sci-fi? with kind-of "tentacle rape" among other things. Well not really, but as close as you can get with the sci-fi excuse.
bastek66
2014-06-01, 07:04
Maybe its because its super depressing dark sci-fi?
That gave me good laugh.
It's not really that dark. But it does have some fairly dark moments, yeah. Anyway, I've read all the translated chapters and I'm up to date with the few raws that are ahead of it, so I'm open to answering questions that can't be asked in the anime thread, if anyone is curious.
deathcoy
2014-06-01, 09:26
Glad to see there are peeps interested in nihei's new work. I really loved all his previous mangas.
There seems to be some discontent among fans with his recent work Sidonia with it steering to the cliche harem setting with more dialogue and ecchi comedy thrown in etc. To be honest its refreshing to see him try something different although its main stream stuff. Really enjoying it.
Looking forward to when the plot moves over to reactivating the 2nd Chimera...
who is the father of tsugmi kunato?
why mas produse honoka not nagate he is a hero
Alhazred
2014-06-01, 21:20
I wonder how significant the only mildly stealthy Stanisław Lem reference is. The pacifists were trying to colonize a planet in the 'Lem System,' and one of the pervading themes in Lem's science fiction is the impossibility of communication with developmentally divergent alien intelligences - and the motives and reasoning of the Gauna remain as opaque as ever...
What ever happened to Hoshijiro's clone?
Alhazred
2014-06-01, 22:21
What ever happened to Hoshijiro's clone?
The original one they collected from that first sortie against Benisuzume? She appears again later but her fate is nothing pleasant to contemplate. :(
As of the more recent manga chapters i think she was last seen fused at the groin to a giant placenta tentacle that was part of the system Kunato/Ochiai used for creating chimeras.
who is the father of tsugmi kunato?
why mas produse honoka not nagate he is a hero
Without Hiro's training I don't think Nagate is any better than a Honoka. Aside from his immortality I think his genetics are actually not as suited for their current environment than the Honokas anyways.
Alhazred
2014-06-01, 23:27
Without Hiro's training I don't think Nagate is any better than a Honoka. Aside from his immortality I think his genetics are actually not as suited for their current environment than the Honokas anyways.
It's made pretty clear in the slapstick violence scenes that the Honokas are physically superior to most humans, including Nagate (though definitely not superior to Lala, as they discovered after the flying kotatsu incident :heh:...) It might've made more sense to try and get Hiro involved in designing the compressed mental development programs they use for the clones, but the enhanced clone program is relatively recent, given that the first 11 Honokas are five years old and the 'first batch.'
Doesn't the last chapter show through Shou what Ochiai really wanted to attain, aka a new human state evolution? (if of course she is not kos before being recovered or if it wasn't a Gauna plot to make them think they are now "civilized" :D)
Mysterius
2014-06-02, 04:52
I wish we had gotten this scene with Honoka Shou:
https://i.imgur.com/Etq0MSh.jpg
Ah, well. Maybe we'll see a fanfic or doujin that has it. *fingers crossed*
What ever happened to Hoshijiro's clone?
The first placental clone (the half-aware one) was last seen in Chapter 46 (page 27), still bonded to some sort of Chimera-birthing growth.
The Benisuzume clone was sequestered by Toha Heavy Industries for "examination" and "storage for safekeeping". I don't think we've any clue what she's been up to. Pining for Tanikaze, perhaps? ;)
Ochiai, in Kunato's guise, did try to convince Sasaki to part with the Benisuzume clone in Chapter 42, but was apparently unsuccessful. Being in a coma, following the Kanata incident in Chapter 46, has prevented him from pursuing the matter since.
I hope Tanikaze finds the Benisuzume clone again sometime, and that this Hoshijiro clone proves more talkative; the drama would be delicious. (Sorry, Izana.)
why mas produse honoka not nagate he is a hero
Because raising an army of Nagate would arouse public suspicion. He's a clone of the greatest pilot they ever had.
There's two different cloning techniques used in Sidonia. The first is the artificial kind, like Nagate. The second is the "natural" kind, like Izana. The third gender doesn't actually pick their gender, they pick their partner and their body adapts to mate with that partner. Izana developed feelings for Nagate so her body is becoming more female. It's a subconscious choice, not a conscious one.
But in addition to having children through normal intercourse (after the body adapts), the third gender can also reproduce asexually and create a clone of themselves. This is why Izana's (grand?)mother looks just like her. Add to that the ability to create immortal bodies and suddenly there are a lot of clones running around at once.
As for the Honokas....well, maybe they just like having a big family? :heh:
To be honest, the exploration of transhumanist concepts in this story is one of its most appealing aspects.
Alhazred
2014-06-02, 11:26
Add to that the ability to create immortal bodies and suddenly there are a lot of clones running around at once.
I shall henceforth take this to mean that Izana and Nagate having kids is the ultimate solution to making sure that the human race doesn't die out.
Shinatose Yure: <steeples fingers> "All according to keikaku..." (since she did originally create them both, one way or another...)
deathcoy
2014-06-05, 14:03
Shiratose Yure started the new generation of Sidonians who can Photosynthesize, what i don't understand is how come the current immortal community/people or at least some of them are able to photosynthesize?
Theres a scene of the Captain Kobayashi photosynthesizing, Shiratose Yure also mentions how normal humans like Nagato do really have a foul smell which kinda indirectly hints shes has the special gene etc etc. I thought one has to be born with the photosynthesizing trait in their genes.
Also, theres 2 types of immortals right? Those who consume medication to prolong their lives(aka the older generation like Kobayashi, Lala, Yure) and those who are born with the immortality gene(aka nagato)?
On side note, sad that they don't intend to wake up second chimera plus kunato is coma, prolly won't see plot advancement with the ochai's plan for now... We need a new plot though, encounter with another Seed ship or something...
Anh_Minh
2014-06-05, 14:15
Shiratose Yure started the new generation of Sidonians who can Photosynthesize, what i don't understand is how come the current immortal community/people or at least some of them are able to photosynthesize?
They can transfer to cloned bodies.
cupumanager
2014-06-05, 14:44
I Also actually found it strange that whereas Nagate don't Photosynthesize, Kobayashi do.
Photosynthesis, If my memory serves me right, introduced after 4th Gauna War - 100 yrs before, by dr. Shinatose as a experiment to lessen the strain into food production...in the end, most younger Sidonians were bon with that; Nagate is a special case, why didn't Yure made him able to? Even though if Hiroki also do not, there is no reason why can't Nagate. Also, Kobayashi is from Hiroki's generation too - but She can Photosynthesize. About Yure herself or Hiyama we have no clue nor confirmation - but I have a thought thats the reason why Hiyama a Canteen Lady...
They can transfer to cloned bodies.
Yeah, but there still no proof or confirmation that Kobayashi swapped body, whether implied or not, even if there are possibility.
Its also interesting that Yure, advise Izana to use Cybernetic limbs...this proven to give Izana advantage later on with the help of Sasaki - however, isn't things like Regeneration is Yure's Specialty?
This is just a small, rather unimportant detail, I'm Curious... but when Sasaki met Tanba 10 years ago, He called Sasaki "Aren't you the granddaughter of that person..." Who?
As of the more recent manga chapters i think she was last seen fused at the groin to a giant placenta tentacle that was part of the system Kunato/Ochiai used for creating chimeras.It can be said that, Tsugumi is Infested Hoshijiro Clone's Daughter - just that she's damn big she grow outside Hoshijiro's body
deathcoy
2014-06-06, 03:01
They can transfer to cloned bodies.
Hahaha, thats a rather cheap way out tbh but seems quite valid. Cloned bodies kills 2 birds with 1 stone which are photosynthesize and true immortality(no need for medication).
Its also interesting that Yure, advise Izana to use Cybernetic limbs...this proven to give Izana advantage later on with the help of Sasaki - however, isn't things like Regeneration is Yure's Specialty?
It has something to do with regenerating a new organic arm being quite an arduous and long process which is why Izana opted for cybernetic. Also, in my opinion Yure has no sole authority to enchance Izana as those genetic advantages are akin to having the abilities of Immortals and Izana is and never going to be part of the Immortal Community since they have stringent membership headcount and requirements.
This is just a small, rather unimportant detail, I'm Curious... but when Sasaki met Tanba 10 years ago, He called Sasaki "Aren't you the granddaughter of that person..." Who?
Good point, i was wondering the same too, who are her progenitors. Btw Sasaki is not an immortal too right?
Anh_Minh
2014-06-06, 12:53
Hahaha, thats a rather cheap way out tbh but seems quite valid. Cloned bodies kills 2 birds with 1 stone which are photosynthesize and true immortality(no need for medication).
I think medication is still the preferred way to do things.
It does raise a question, though: why is Hiyama stuck in the bear suit? Couldn't she transfer to a healthy clone?
It has something to do with regenerating a new organic arm being quite an arduous and long process which is why Izana opted for cybernetic.
That, and I think Yure is interested in trans-humanism in general, rather than just biology. If cyborg limbs do a better job than organic ones, why not go for them?
Also, in my opinion Yure has no sole authority to enchance Izana as those genetic advantages are akin to having the abilities of Immortals and Izana is and never going to be part of the Immortal Community since they have stringent membership headcount and requirements.
Technically, a lot of spots opened recently... Though Izana probably isn't in line for them.
Good point, i was wondering the same too, who are her progenitors. Btw Sasaki is not an immortal too right?
She works with her face uncovered, so probably not. (Kobayashi and Yure also occasionally walk around bare faced, but it's in their time off. More or less.)
On a lighter subject... how would you characterize the attitudes of Nagate's harem?
The robot is easy. She's a tsundere.
Yuhata is honest about her interest, aggressive and cunning.
Izana used the gender confusion to get close as his best male(-ish) friend, and then turned on the feminity. What I like to call the Charlotte Maneuver. (Further digression: in Bakates terms, would it be the Hideyoshi, or the Minami?)
But what about Tsumugi?
deathcoy
2014-06-06, 20:02
It does raise a question, though: why is Hiyama stuck in the bear suit? Couldn't she transfer to a healthy clone?
True that, it never crossed my mind lol!!!
Hiyama in Bear form is so friggin cute though!!! I really like her character and her current role of a motherly figure to Nagate. I kinda consider Koyabashi the 2nd motherly figure albeit a facade.
That, and I think Yure is interested in trans-humanism in general, rather than just biology. If cyborg limbs do a better job than organic ones, why not go for them?
Gotta love that Nihei opting for cybernetics for Izana. She's literally the recon/radar for the platoon/section with her being able to sync with the mech. Its a nice touch, brings more variety to the mech setup which is currently lacking in Sidonia. They need specialized mechs man. Like real life M203, demo, GPMG gunner, 84mm gunner etc.
Technically, a lot of spots opened recently... Though Izana probably isn't in line for them.
LOL!!!!
On a lighter subject... how would you characterize the attitudes of Nagate's harem?
The robot is easy. She's a tsundere.
Yuhata is honest about her interest, aggressive and cunning.
Izana used the gender confusion to get close as his best male(-ish) friend, and then turned on the feminity. What I like to call the Charlotte Maneuver. (Further digression: in Bakates terms, would it be the Hideyoshi, or the Minami?)
But what about Tsumugi?
I kinda like this harem. In order of my favourite first:
Tsumugui=Damsel in distress(although shes the strongest) cos of princess carry scene and hug scene, love at first sight kinda girl, loyal and honest, slight yandere tendencies?, very emotional(she'll the first to berserk if anything happens to Nagato)
Izana=Childhood friend, passive, shy, yea kinda like Charlotte
Yuhata=High aggro, pushy but understanding, she seems to be the Harem Manager type kinda like takes care of all the girls and keep them in check
Teruru=Tsundere
Theres also others with potential though little focus on them:
Honoka=Ren & En i think, 1 is tsundere the other is basically a Yuhata clone
Sasaki=Very slight chance of romance but shes definitely the teasing violent Onee-san type
I Also actually found it strange that whereas Nagate don't Photosynthesize, Kobayashi do.
Photosynthesis, If my memory serves me right, introduced after 4th Gauna War - 100 yrs before, by dr. Shinatose as a experiment to lessen the strain into food production...in the end, most younger Sidonians were bon with that; Nagate is a special case, why didn't Yure made him able to? Even though if Hiroki also do not, there is no reason why can't Nagate. Also, Kobayashi is from Hiroki's generation too - but She can Photosynthesize. About Yure herself or Hiyama we have no clue nor confirmation - but I have a thought thats the reason why Hiyama a Canteen Lady...
Yeah, but there still no proof or confirmation that Kobayashi swapped body, whether implied or not, even if there are possibility.
Its also interesting that Yure, advise Izana to use Cybernetic limbs...this proven to give Izana advantage later on with the help of Sasaki - however, isn't things like Regeneration is Yure's Specialty?
This is just a small, rather unimportant detail, I'm Curious... but when Sasaki met Tanba 10 years ago, He called Sasaki "Aren't you the granddaughter of that person..." Who?It can be said that, Tsugumi is Infested Hoshijiro Clone's Daughter - just that she's damn big she grow outside Hoshijiro's body
As for the Immortals transferring to clone bodies, that's a possibility. They added photosynthesis to the new bodies but no genetic level immortality since it's forbidden (only medication). And I think the anime hints that Kobayashi switched bodies between 100 years ago and "present" time since you can hear a difference in her voice.
As for Sasaki most likely she's pretending to be her grandaughter/grandma and is an immortal. She is just assuming a new identity each time she takes over/inherits Toha Heavy Industries.
And pretending to be your own ancestor/descendant isn't something new... cough Highlander cough.
There are various hints of this.
The cover of the prequel chapter included with the BD Vol. 1 has a mechanic girl who looks just like Sasaki in Hiroki/Kobayashi's generation 100 years ago.
Chapter 27 she talks with unmasked Kobayashi. And Kobayashi only shows her face to other immortals, Nagate, some high ranking members and incognito.
Chapter 48 a conversation with Yure she mentions how they used to have fun together in the old days... and Yure isn't short on years.
AcroDave
2014-06-08, 01:20
So when last we left Sidonia, the Guana had created a perfect replica of a human pilot (although slightly larger). A Guana that thinks it's a human! Can't wait to see where this goes!!!
"I'm a Guana!" ... **BLAM**
Oh... nevermind... :(
Seriously, what a let down!
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deathcoy
2014-06-08, 05:31
So when last we left Sidonia, the Guana had created a perfect replica of a human pilot (although slightly larger). A Guana that thinks it's a human! Can't wait to see where this goes!!!
"I'm a Guana!" ... **BLAM**
Oh... nevermind... :(
Seriously, what a let down!
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Yep... I was expecting Gauna in fighting and defecting or something... quite a disappointment...
And also Mizuki Battleship has a very short screentime zzzz... But Nagate with Tsumugui scenes were very cute...
As for Sasaki most likely she's pretending to be her grandaughter/grandma and is an immortal. She is just assuming a new identity each time she takes over/inherits Toha Heavy Industries.
And pretending to be your own ancestor/descendant isn't something new... cough Highlander cough.
There are various hints of this.
The cover of the prequel chapter included with the BD Vol. 1 has a mechanic girl who looks just like Sasaki in Hiroki/Kobayashi's generation 100 years ago.
Chapter 27 she talks with unmasked Kobayashi. And Kobayashi only shows her face to other immortals, Nagate, some high ranking members and incognito.
Chapter 48 a conversation with Yure she mentions how they used to have fun together in the old days... and Yure isn't short on years.
Oh i see...
Btw what chapter is the cover roughly at? I couldnt find it. Man i didn't know Sasaki was part of the pioneer generation...
The cover of the prequel chapter included with the BD Vol. 1 has a mechanic girl who looks just like Sasaki in Hiroki/Kobayashi's generation 100 years ago.
Oh i see...
Btw what chapter is the cover roughly at? I couldnt find it. Man i didn't know Sasaki was part of the pioneer generation...
You won't find it if you're looking in the manga because it's part of the stuff included with the Anime BD Vol. 1.
Here's that cover
http://i.imgur.com/3yBiLxK.jpg
cupumanager
2014-06-09, 00:10
The Last moments of Honoka Shou...is just sad...
Looking at Mizuki-Class Cruisers, Sidonia itself need some of those shiny Point-Defence Weapons.
I don't get why Mizuki can't just do Fire Support for the first sortie - There is no "Out of Range" in space; the limit for Effective Range in Space is just the extent Targeting Computers can predict movements in spite of Lightspeed lag thanks to the sheer distance.
Gotta love that Nihei opting for cybernetics for Izana. She's literally the recon/radar for the platoon/section with her being able to sync with the mech. Its a nice touch, brings more variety to the mech setup which is currently lacking in Sidonia. They need specialized mechs man. Like real life M203, demo, GPMG gunner, 84mm gunner etc.
Teruru is pure robotics - she can do that too for Cruisers. What kind of weapons would be the space-equivalent of those, do you think?
If Lightspeed Lag is the Issue, Guided Torpedos with its own seeker is an excellent complement: Almost limitless range, only limited by its maneuvering thrusters fuel; Self-guiding and Self-Correcting itself.
Sidonia already have the thing. In that Lem IX Mission there is that Kabi-Tipped Autonomous Guardian Support Hayakaze. Place tandem warhead on the tip of that thing - First charge to blow placenta away, second charge to drive the Kabi at point-blank range.
You won't find it if you're looking in the manga because it's part of the stuff included with the Anime BD Vol. 1.
Here's that cover
http://i.imgur.com/3yBiLxK.jpg
Ha! so there is more Immortals walked amongst the common men than previously thought. And oh, seems like there is another Intersex: Izana weren't alone.
http://i.imgur.com/1IOtV27.png
Notice: Shorts
...and another one from Ep 6
http://i.imgur.com/MvmYyVd.jpg
The Blonde one.
deathcoy
2014-06-17, 05:16
So they managed to harness energy from lem star right?
Tsumugui is as cute as ever haha, it's weird that I find her character attractive despite being less human-ish....
Sasaki having more screentime is a nice change and she finally has more character development...
cupumanager
2014-06-17, 10:37
Evert time I saw Tsumugi and Tanikaze flying through space, The more I think about WALL-E and EVE.
What, 1? ONE VOTE? She's already the Mascot of Sidonia, She deserves MOST of the votes!
Sasaki deserves the votes more than Teruru, She's the one making your Guardians keeps flying, dammit...
I kinda like that unnamed braided glasses girl.
Ah Yes, there are still Redshirt Rookies with Redshirt Type 18 doing things without thinking...
...Okay, I suspect the "Semi Autonomous Converter System" is made in mind to power Graviton Beam Emitter - something that presumably needs lots of power, by using The Lem Sun as the source of power. With a charged GBE, Sidonia can blast bare Mass Union Ship into naked helpless cores. They need to test this earlier by doing this when The MUS is in another side of the Star to avoid detection.
However, why plunging a tube into The Corona of a Blue Star if you can set an array of Panels in a much safer stationary orbit farther away, where the panels will always in opposite of Lem VII.
Tsumugi don't need to fear plunging into Lem - If she can't be toasted by Solar Radiation at that close to a Star and able to survive deflecting a Gigantic Higgs Stream from Ocarina Union Ship; Just unfurl her "skirt" and she'll be blown away, no need for thrust whatsoever.
Anh_Minh
2014-06-17, 14:17
So they managed to harness energy from lem star right?
Not quite. A power generator's useless if you can't bring the energy where it's needed. They'll need another, better cable.
What, 1? ONE VOTE? She's already the Mascot of Sidonia, She deserves MOST of the votes!
Agreed.
Sasaki deserves the votes more than Teruru, She's the one making your Guardians keeps flying, dammit...
Agreed again. Why would they like that tsundere?
...Okay, I suspect the "Semi Autonomous Converter System" is made in mind to power Graviton Beam Emitter - something that presumably needs lots of power, by using The Lem Sun as the source of power. With a charged GBE, Sidonia can blast bare Mass Union Ship into naked helpless cores. They need to test this earlier by doing this when The MUS is in another side of the Star to avoid detection.
I don't know. Maybe they just want a power source that's doesn't use Higgs particles. That way, maybe they can set up a colony that won't be destroyed by the Gauna.
AcroDave
2014-06-23, 22:33
Soooo..... spoilers are out for Chapter 63... I.. I.. don't even... :twitch:
Love is in the air on Sidonia.
Yuhata confesses her true feelings (??!?!???!??)
http://www.rustyangel.com/scraps/sidonia-wat.jpg
First kissu!!! (???#?^???!??$?%?@#????)
http://www.rustyangel.com/scraps/sidonia-kissu.jpg
Awww, cuddle time (???!??!?$?!?%!?@%?!#@?%$?!@#$?!@?!??!)
http://www.rustyangel.com/scraps/sidonia-cuddles.jpg
This chapter.. I just... I.. ahaha.. hahajfjsa**$^&@#tbfutvkut.d.g........
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Tranhieu
2014-06-24, 00:43
Soooo..... spoilers are out for Chapter 63... I.. I.. don't even... :twitch:
Love is in the air on Sidonia.
Yuhata confesses her true feelings (??!?!???!??)
http://www.rustyangel.com/scraps/sidonia-wat.jpg
Rough translation
From right to left, top to bottom
Izana: Looks like we've been ignored...
Izana: However, as expected I felt really glad. I've always been wanting Tsumugi to be happy.
Yuhata:*holding Izana's hand*
Yuhata: We are not being ignored. Izana-san, let's make sure to return.
Izana: Ee!?
Looks like something big is happening soon.
cupumanager
2014-07-15, 03:26
Chapter 63
What...its...hhh...but...so...hnggg...ascvfgjnnkkv gn...I....I....
D'AAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
*slams head*
*Slams Head*
*SLAMS HEAD*
...Okay, regain your composure...uhuk, ahahahahahahah, ahem...
Its so beautiful...Is almost the entire ship shipping them?(with the exception of Nagate's other harem member, actually pretty obviously)
What, you humans, Gender-Changing Cyborg, and Growth Accelerated Clones feels so bad defeated by a Giant Tentacled Space Monster Hybrid with Phallic-shaped Probe or something?
Kobayashi...so she's a singer too...Do Seii recognize the voice?
I...don't like this ominous feeling...something gonna happen I'm sure of it...I fear of the future...
Well, that was an unusual choice. Eh, whatever, it works. Death flag for Tsumigi, though.
Jirachier
2014-07-15, 10:34
Yeah death flag ;_;
look at what happened to the last girl our protagonist was in love with.
foxbox360
2014-07-15, 13:36
Dammit!!!!! I just read the chapter, Please author don't kill Tsumigi, and is there yuri in the air.;)
Dammit!!!!! I just read the chapter, Please author don't kill Tsumigi, and is there yuri in the air.;)
No, because if there was Izana would turn into a man.
All caught up now.
I watched the anime first, and I was initially very disappointed when I started reading the manga. I thought the anime handled things a lot better. The manga's tendency to jump around between flashbacks and the present during the first few chapters was very annoying and didn't make the story very engaging. Furthermore, the fights were a goddamn mess, it was impossible to tell what the hell was going on.
Thankfully, the storytelling got better over time and I found myself very much enjoying seeing the continuation of the anime (sort of, since the anime veered off course toward the end). I particularly loved the introduction of Tsumugi into the story. I never thought a talking penis could be so endearing and moe. I wasn't that surprised Nagate chose her over Izana. It's just too bad this spells her doom. I don't want her to die ;_;
Izana is still my favorite girl (yes! an actual girl now!) in the series but Tsumugi really isn't far behind. Tsumugi is more daughter material though, which is why I was still a bit surprised Nagate confessed to her. I can't wait to see her animated. She's probably going to be voiced by the same person as Hoshijiro (using her Tamako voice this time, it would suit her)
foxbox360
2014-07-19, 13:20
All caught up now.
I can't wait to see her animated. She's probably going to be voiced by the same person as Hoshijiro (using her Tamako voice this time, it would suit her)
Don't worry my friend, season 2 is coming next year.;)
The dreaded Nihei timeskip is here. Nagate wakes up at the very end of the chapter in a hospital. He goes back home only to find it deserted and completely overrun by vegetation. Who knows how many years he's been sleeping and how many of the characters are dead now...
cupumanager
2014-09-01, 02:34
There are some things that caught me:
- How Kobayashi survived an hypervelocity bolt straight through her head? Kept a spare body like Ochiai said, or her Regeneration is just that good? No matter how good, she should suffer some disorders for a while...
- Ochiai clone interestingly not controlled by Ochiai Prime, and stayed loyal to Kobayashi - too much of a hassle? Powerful mindblock installed?(Looks like he have some wrist-grafted Gravity repulsors to launch projectiles as a weapon)
- It is a shame Ochiai did not respond to Tsumugi queries - The dialogue could be interesting.
-Phew, for this chapter my Cute Giant Tentacle Monster survived the death flag of Ch63...well, for now...
-Something foamed when Ochiai struck by Graviton Beam, but he escaped, so what did he lose and what he still have? What would he do outside Sidonia, perhaps joining the Gauna? Who knows it could be him that become the bridge between the two Species.
-And, of course the timeskip...Waking up into a dreamy lush landscape with no one in sight...a Dream? Long time has passed? Sidonia overrun by Gauna and assimilated?
cupumanager
2014-10-01, 10:46
Chapter 66
Ah, looks like everybody in Sidonia can't let old flame away and move on...
cupumanager
2014-10-29, 07:47
Chapter 67
Three Days! Three Full Days Out of Contact! In the name of Higgs Particles what did Cap'n Ponytail did with Nagate?
Nagate accepted to the exclusive, New Immortal Ship Council. However, the existence of Immortals where everybody can open masks, whereas there was an Immortal Councillor Massacre ordered by Kobayashi, means there are many more Immortals. Immortals, who not held an official position in Sidonia Governing Council, but rather choose to mingle between the masses.
Now...Death Flags or the time where other character shines on their own, thanks for the proximity from the Main Hero?
einhorn303
2015-03-17, 20:46
I just bought volumes 1-12 of this, and read them all over the weekend. What a ride! It's the perfect blend of hard SF world-building, layered plot, and comedy.
That scene where Tsumugi tries to wear clothes because Teruru called her a "private part" was hilarious. Especially since she keeps on trying to find an entrance to introduce herself, then eventually gives up and slinks away silently.
Also, I'd like to thank all you people for using spoiler tags for scanlated chapters. I'm only reading the official English release, and this is one of those few series where I really care about spoilers! I already know about Tsumugi winning the Nagatebowl, though I've seen it on Twitter too :heh:
Izana is my best girl through and through, so I'm ready to get my heart broken, but I'll have to endure through it. She's been so good to him! But I can see how Nagate would relate better to Tsumugi. They've both been basically bred as super-weapons.
Also, here's a random theory I just came up with: Kunato telling Nagate to set off the bomb earlier (botching the operation, and leading to Hoshijiro's death) wasn't just his idea. It was the Immortal Crew Society who first came up with it, to discredit Nagate.
This idea came to me after watching the scene in the anime. It happens right after the Immortal Crew Society tells the Captain that Nagate is gathering too much public support, and might threaten them. This answers the question of "Couldn't they set things straight with the flight records?" Of course Kobayashi or another higher-up could manipulate that. Yes, Kunato is still a total jerk. But, it seems more likely that idea could be planted in him than coming up out-of-the-blue.
Enternal
2015-03-31, 16:59
All in all, I'm still a big Hoshijirou fan (are there even many fans for Hoshijirou because I don't see much mention of her). Beside her though, I can't decide between Izana and Tsumugi. Tsumugi is just too adorable and Izana's jealous behavior is actually really cute too (since it's not a destructive type jealousy).
It's interesting how Hoshijirou is still such a huge part of Sidonia even though she's dead. We have Tsumugi who acts very similar and sounds exactly like her, Benizume who was a "major" antagonist for a while (although she's now captured), and more. Why is the Guana that forms her so different? Can't wait to see more.
Hoshijirou is still alive as far as I know right?
Enternal
2015-03-31, 21:28
Hoshijirou is still alive as far as I know right?
Not really. She's as dead as dead can be. It's just that her memories and experiences are as least implied fully intact in the placenta and Benizume. So... she's "alive" but not really. Tsumugi on the other hand is her "daughter" but wow her mannerisms and voice is noted to be just like Hoshijiro so... that makes it confusing whether you can consider her as Hoshijiro or Hoshijiro that's completely reborn without past experiences and memories.
AdventSleeper
2015-04-01, 19:39
I'm also missing Hoshijiro haha.
Though I'm curious as to what happened to the benisuzume placenta that was captured around 20 chapters ago.. hope that issue appears again soon
Anh_Minh
2015-08-28, 09:29
Well, shit. What's with Nagate's girlfriends?
Well, shit. What's with Nagate's girlfriends?
Pretty much sums up his life right now. First the mother, then the daughter.
Random14
2015-08-28, 18:31
And so this arc come to an end (well, probably still epilogue as well as transition to whatever is next).
Too bad all those death flags are confirmed, but glad to see the main two enemies (of the moment) taken out at least, as well a mention of the title. Wonder if that last minute desperate offer of bringing back Hoshijiro was real or not. Hopefully the harem antics won't start back up for at least a while with Tsumugi gone. Now there's just the overarching mystery of the gauna left, I think?
There won't be a transition to anything, I mean the next chapter is the last isn't it?
Random14
2015-08-28, 21:09
It is?! Huh, missed that news. Guess that's why this chapter played out like it did. Haven't been paying much attention to this manga recently. Oh well, might as well enjoy it while it lasts then.
Eh this latest chapter was kind of anti-climatic in a lot of ways. I know they were planning on ending it soon, but I guess the author had to end it somehow.
MonkeyDude
2015-08-30, 05:49
...and then they announce S3! Right? RIGHT!?
Somethindarker
2015-08-30, 06:43
Season 3 of what? The anime? Do you really wanna see this lame ending animated? Although for posterity sake I'd like a movie maybe or a couple of OVA's. Is s2 of the anime selling at all? 4chan had it ranked fairly low but I can't remember if it was mediocre sales or bad.
edit; Also the MC in this was a fucking weirdo through and through I just can't imagine his mindset on some of his decisions. "Your equally weird GF turns into a gob monster and dies so you decide to date her 50 ft daughter/gob monster." Seriously wtf.
MonkeyDude
2015-08-31, 05:17
Of the opinion that the anime is better than the manga. At the very least the action scenes are far superior and I believe the anime will do justice to the ending in ways the manga could not. Even if the anime does have mediocre sales, the fact that it's also a Netflix exclusive has to count for something.
And I personally thought the budding romance between Nagate and Tsumugi touching. In a way Nagate may have been one of the first to recognize gauna having human-like characteristics. Only reasonable to think he eventually became the first to fall in love with one, albeit sharing some of the characteristics of his old flame.
Somethindarker
2015-08-31, 05:24
Of the opinion that the anime is better than the manga. At the very least the action scenes are far superior and I believe the anime will do justice to the ending in ways the manga could not. Even if the anime does have mediocre sales, the fact that it's also a Netflix exclusive has to count for something.
And I personally thought the budding romance between Nagate and Tsumugi touching. In a way Nagate may have been one of the first to recognize gauna having human-like characteristics. Only reasonable to think he eventually became the first to fall in love with one, albeit sharing some of the characteristics of his old flame.
Well I'm not a fan of the anime since the CG is just not for me, the story in and of itself isn't bad just myeh.
Their romance seemed forced and Nagate is, in my opinion, completely unrelateable and just weird with his obsessions and plot armor that was never expanded on the world was interesting and the setting great but I've never liked the art. Tsugumi I never cared for really just glad it's over. For me this series was just a bunch of hit and miss with me, don't get me wrong I liked it but to be completely honest just barely.
marconii2002
2015-09-19, 15:31
Last chpater spoiler images
http://i.imgur.com/7FWd513.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SA4asUK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wjaZuYC.jpg
Somethindarker
2015-09-19, 17:10
I wonder if Tsugumi really died.
edit; omg just read the raws/spoilers. seriously what the fucking fuck I thought the ending was gonna be decent but jesus this is bad.
bastek66
2015-09-20, 04:26
Wow, Tsumugi survived and is human now
Timeskip, she and Nagate have daughter
Izana ended up with Yuhata, who is now MAN
Wait, WTF? That's the last chapter? Did they actually resolve anything about the Gaunas?
Yuhata turning into a guy is just hilarious (she wasn't even a third gender). I'd hate to be one of her fans right now.
What happens in the end? Does it answer:-
1) what the Gauna want?
2) the fates of Ochiai and Kobayashi?
3) does the Sidonia settle on a planet, or is it still trucking on?
Yuhata turning into a guy is just hilarious (she wasn't even a third gender). I'd hate to be one of her fans right now.
How did that happen to Yuhata?
BakaShido
2015-09-20, 19:09
The true winner is the Captain who had Nagate's virginity before going back to tenticle woman.
Somethindarker
2015-09-20, 19:10
What happens in the end? Does it answer:-
1) what the Gauna want?
2) the fates of Ochiai and Kobayashi?
3) does the Sidonia settle on a planet, or is it still trucking on?
1. never really cleared up just some half assed explanations.
2. no idea atm the raws and spoilers I've seen don't really mention them.
3.trucking on I think.
How did that happen to Yuhata?
No idea some of the japanese forums i frequent are hilariously angry even though my japanese is bad I can see all the bad words.
Haven't seen such a shit ending in a long time.
Incest Emblem
2015-09-20, 20:25
Yuhata turning into a guy is just hilarious (she wasn't even a third gender). I'd hate to be one of her fans right now.
Maybe the stuffed bra joke way back was actually foreshadowing that Yuhata was a third sex?
Did Tsumugi inherit any of Hoshijiro's memories when she got put into the placenta body?
bastek66
2015-09-27, 10:18
Yuhata - half man, half machine
Alhazred
2015-09-27, 12:05
Yuhata - half man, half machine
Perhaps because kinky, GitS cyberspace bedroom scenes with Izana are probably a thing that can happen in this series.
Edit: Though it seems like once Yure figured out the whole 'blood nematode' thing that would be a super convenient technology for a high-risk seed ship to exploit the hell out of. Never suffer brain/skill drain from folks getting 'sploded ever again...
cupumanager
2015-09-27, 13:02
Haha
Ahahahahahah
Nihei: I've had enough. Lets end this quickly.
And so he did.
Let us know what your daughter have in mind. Please.
Holding out for a sequel based on Nagate and Tsumugi's daughter.
TheRussianMeatClob
2015-09-27, 15:14
Well that sure was an abrupt ending thought we would get at least two more chapters out of this...
Anyway Nagate and Tsumugi's daughter wins the most human like Gauna/Human hybrid award.
Ok series but can't help but think the series arthur could have done so much more with the setting.
Also sequel bait with Tsumugi's daughter and Izana hinted at we may see more of the series in the future.
metronome
2015-10-01, 13:57
It is finally ended!
I have been fans of Nihei Tsutomu, but that's not because he is a good storyteller.
As far as japanese manga goes, he is the only person alive able to make great (hard) scifi setting, premise, and atmosphere. Other than that, he is still lacking. And apparently, by the time this post is made, he is still lacking in term of storytelling. A bit better than his previous works, but well...just look at the ending. It is so....messy.
Or may be he is just tired of this story I don't know.
Hoshijiro has always been my favorite character right from the start of the story, followed only by Izana and the Captain.
Well...I am happy for Nagate that he ends up with Hoshijiro (....or at least SOMETHING that looks like her).
Sadly, the Captain stole his virginity first before he fathered a -weird- daughter with "Hoshijiro", but well.....can't blame youth.
Other than that, the ending feels rushed, some parts feels "too convenient" (Eg: for some reason they manage to colonialize LEM7 just because the destroyed supagauna placenta falls to the planet. man.....), and yea, I think it gets too many stuffs left unexplained.
It is finally ended!
I have been fans of Nihei Tsutomu, but that's not because he is a good storyteller.
As far as japanese manga goes, he is the only person alive able to make great (hard) scifi setting, premise, and atmosphere. Other than that, he is still lacking. And apparently, by the time this post is made, he is still lacking in term of storytelling. A bit better than his previous works, but well...just look at the ending. It is so....messy.
Or may be he is just tired of this story I don't know.
Hoshijiro has always been my favorite character right from the start of the story, followed only by Izana and the Captain.
Well...I am happy for Nagate that he ends up with Hoshijiro (....or at least SOMETHING that looks like her).
Sadly, the Captain stole his virginity first before he fathered a -weird- daughter with "Hoshijiro", but well.....can't blame youth.
Other than that, the ending feels rushed, some parts feels "too convenient" (Eg: for some reason they manage to colonialize LEM7 just because the destroyed supagauna placenta falls to the planet. man.....), and yea, I think it gets too many stuffs left unexplained.
wait what? how??? cap'n... dat sexy milf cap'n?
breno.m.fis
2015-12-17, 22:41
I just read again the last chapter and noticed a curious thing when New Sidonia begins its journey. It seems that New Sidonia is equipped with gravity engine, one that propels ships super fast.In a frame immediately after the Sidonia separate from the dock and distance and a little later it disappears leaving that trail in the form of rings of the gravity engine.
carmolita
2015-12-28, 07:01
OK .. so I re-watched this anime this weekend, because I liked the Nagate +Izana storyline and decided that I would read the manga to see what happened next.
NOW I wish I had stayed delusional and had NOT read the manga** and I even lost half a day reading it from cover to cover to** I can see why the anime changed some sequence of events and led you to believe that he may of ended up with Izana, but I never in a million years would of thought that he WAS this obsessed with his dead crush Hoshijirou, and that Izana's grandmother would recreate her for him in the end using the gauna placenta as a host body to harbor the dead Tsugumi's blood worm to assume her personality!!! Backstabbing grandmother :(. I can't believe he ended up with the alien he has been killing the entire time. So essentially his character never moved on emotionally, so their was no further development. It was even more sad that it was foreshadowed 10 or 15 chapters from the end where yukata and izana says "we've been rejected" after seeing nagate with Tsugumi. I mean being rejected is one thing, but being rejected for a placenta/gauna is pretty low, sad and depressing.
Do I want a season 3 of the anime~ Never!!!! and I hope they never ever make a spin off of the manga series. I have absolutely no interest in seeing Nagate's child rescue Izana and share adventures. When he could of done it himself if he would of just got over his emotional attachment with his dead crush.
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