Cross Ange

[Haruyasha]

Lol, this little wheelchair bitch. Screams for her sister the moment she's in trouble. LOL.

And eww.. No shower for a week? Can't imagine the smell... Hell, if they're on their period, that's already like cruel and unusual punishment.

[Rokumonsen]

Does this mean all mana users had been puppetized all along?

[DuelGundam2099]

Hell, if they're on their period, that's already like cruel and unusual punishment.
You can say the exact same thing about any story with a female character on a long adventure story carrying mostly food, water, and weapons. Stories involving being stranded in the wilderness also come to mind.

[serenade_beta]

I was starting to take this anime seriously until the stupid little girl called Ange for help. I mean, you freaking beat her up last episode and now... what... :heh:

And why would you ask for how hard a Dragon is? :heh: Monster Hunter? :heh: Um, well, it was only as hard as a Black Gravios. No prob, eh?

[Elder]

Does this mean all mana users had been puppetized all along?

It at least shows that Sylvia probably was brainwashed when she tried to cut Ange and whipped her at the gallows.

[Haruyasha]

So the new rival girl is like the long-lost lesbian girlfriend (http://i.imgur.com/el1ZrpP.jpg) of Ange?

Poor Hilda... She was so cute when she blushed (http://i.imgur.com/nmSdrh5.png) as Ange hugged her.

[DuelGundam2099]

Ange's hair style in that first picture reminds me of Marlyn from Blue Gender. :heh:

[serenade_beta]

Horie vs Nana (vs Kitamura?)
Fight (Sing?)!

[Benigmatica]

Horie vs Nana (vs Kitamura?)
Fight (Sing?)!

Add Yukari Tamura, and you got yourself a quartet!

On the other hand, something tells me that the DRAGONs appearing near Arzenal isn't just a random summon. Coupled with Sala's appearance, I have a feeling that there's a spanner in the works in regards to the Libertus plan.

Meanwhile, seems that the Misurugi Empire is being controlled by someone... I have a feeling that they're being controlled by humanoid DRAGONs!

[synx]

So it seems like the paramails Arzenal has are copied over from the DRAGONS.

[ValvraveTruth]

Everything starting to piece together?
1. When a dragon goes near a human, they will lose control of themself? Thats why norma fighting instead? And why human scorn norma when they didnt do anything bad and just can break mana stuff like shield. They just want an excuse to put norma to fight dragons.

2. Norma originaly from dragon world? The star song most likely pass down from royalty (not in ange world, but in dragon world). And that ange's mother or ancester is from the dragon world? When norma came down to ange's world, they mix up with the human, so theres a chance their child be human OR norma.

3. Villkiss from the dragon world pretty obvious i guess?

4. Sala and Ange is fated to be rivals, friends and lovers. Wew thats crazy.

[Benigmatica]

4. Sala and Ange is fated to be rivals, friends and lovers. Wew thats crazy.

Wait, I was wonder if there's a connection between Cross Ange and Miss Monochrome? But then again, I didn't watch the latter...

Still, I'm interested on what will happen next now that Ange saw her rival, Sala!

[Nork22]

Wait, I was wonder if there's a connection between Cross Ange and Miss Monochrome? But then again, I didn't watch the latter...
No Miss Monochrome's rival is the eternal 17yr old.

But gotta love this show going Gundam Seed right there.

Also, poor Hocchan. Complaining about having some lines this episode and then nothing for the next episode. :heh:

[itisjustme]

This show gets so all kinds of bad it's pretty actually entertaining to watch now and then. :heh: It's like every combat scene is straight copypasta from Seed, and when they start singing it's like someone popped a CD in the background and the characters have to lipsync it so bad, I couldn't stop laughing. :P

[bastek66]

No one noticed this foreshadowing
Riza Randog
Randog
Dragon

[DuelGundam2099]

So it seems like the paramails Arzenal has are copied over from the DRAGONS.
Where'd you get this from?
they will lose control of themself?
Or mind control.

Also if you notice in the samurai flashback, Dendoh referencing! Ange even had Vega's clothing although it was a bit hard to see. :heh: As for the actual episode it had pretty much everything I've been wanting to happen for the past four weeks! Very pleased! Although the livestream threads on 4chan claimed "mind control confirmed!" except its more hinted and implied. Goes to show you waiting for subs before drawing conclusions is the smart choice!

[Ryuga]

Well, we knew something was up with Riza, but I couldn't have guessed that lol. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually feel a bit sorry for Julio now, he's just a mess and he's being manipulated by Riza. Maybe I feel a tinge bit sorry for Sylvia as well, she had some doubts/regrets about what she did before Riza caught her. Now, her asking him to open up a singularity point perhaps answers why the dragons appear near Arzenal all the time. The dragon's roar was weird, it screwed Emma up. Must be some sort of manipulation.

Man Salia, she was mad jelly this episode, she totally lost it. Her flashback provided a bit of info. From the look on Jill/Alektra's face, I don't think it was a dragon that took them out, again, going back to our mystery man (who's also in the preview for the next ep).

Finally, we get some mech action this time, could have done without the singing though. Yeesh, Arzenal got wrecked. I wonder who's piloting those other Para-mails, could be two of the cast from another dimension, that'd be funny.

This episode just gave me more questions than answers, I don't know where this show's gonna end up. Episode 12 should give some answers, but I don't like waiting lol.

EDIT: No one noticed this foreshadowing
Riza Randog
Randog
Dragon

Well, damn lol.

DOUBLE EDIT: I thought it was spelt Riza Rundog. Eh, whatever, romanization.

[choopo]

Wat Mecha SymphoGear
this ep remind me where is Symphogear S3

[Wolfpack]

So the new rival girl is like the long-lost lesbian girlfriend (http://i.imgur.com/el1ZrpP.jpg) of Ange?

Poor Hilda... She was so cute when she blushed (http://i.imgur.com/nmSdrh5.png) as Ange hugged her.

It's scenes like these that make me hope Ange starts her yuri harem, starting with Momoka.

Tusk? Who's that?

[Anh_Minh]

... Can someone paralyzed from the waist down sit up the way Sylvia did?

[Benigmatica]

Tusk? Who's that?

Let's just say that he's the guy who wanted to take over the show, but he couldn't because his face is always planted in Ange's crotch!

@Ryuga

Speaking of Riza, I wonder if she has an accomplice? Maybe Riza is connected to that Embryo guy!

[TheRealWinston]

Well this episode was really unexpected and it was so stupid. This series became actually worser and worser

Well, we knew something was up with Riza, but I couldn't have guessed that lol. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually feel a bit sorry for Julio now, he's just a mess and he's being manipulated by Riza. Maybe I feel a tinge bit sorry for Sylvia as well, she had some doubts/regrets about what she did before Riza caught her. Now, her asking him to open up a singularity point perhaps answers why the dragons appear near Arzenal all the time. The dragon's roar was weird, it screwed Emma up. Must be some sort of manipulation.

They got what they deserved. Hey Sylvia, cry after your sister for help, you know she will never come (I hope she died)

And by the way, that "dragonmanipulation" was stupid. Emma got manipulated by the dragon to shoot him:confused:?
Or had this dragon some kind of deathwish?
Well, I think about making a top ten list of stupid charakters in this show. That dragon who manipulated Emma to shoot at him has very high chances to get at the first place.

[TheRealWinston]

It's scenes like these that make me hope Ange starts her yuri harem, starting with Momoka.

Tusk? Who's that?

So that Ange become like Zola or what?

And Tusk is a guy who fails everytime and he likes to mention, if the pubic hair from girls match with their headhair.

[ReinZwei]

Tusk? Who's that?

Plot Twist:

The one we saw at Sala and Ange's memory was Tusk's viewpoint, in short he's the one witnessing all of that :heh:

[Ryuga]

snip

She could be working for Embryo, yeah. Embryo could possibly even be a Dragon himself in disguise like Riza.





snip

The manipulation might've been unintentional or just a weird side effect of its roar, it's weird though yeah.

[Gundam888]

Agreed I think she's working for embryo

[Ryuga]

... Can someone paralyzed from the waist down sit up the way Sylvia did?

I'm think it can vary depending on the severity of the injury. Apparently some can even stand and walk to a limited degree (usually with assistance/aid) but are still dependent on wheelchairs. She's kinda lying up high as well, not too sure.

[Dr. Dahm]

Well looks like Gundam is definitely going to have to carry the day mecha fight wise for the next month or so cause if that was supposed to be a climactic one....let's just say it looks like Fukuda anime are still struggling mightily with the whole don't use the same fight sequences over and over again thing. I mean that was such a Seed fight in the latest episode I got unpleasant.....flashbacks :uhoh:

[novakai]

Now this was an awesome episode, awesome battle, the singing from Nana and Yui got me pumped up. only complain was that there where quite a few visual hiccups at the beginning.
like all the gundam and mech reference they use, for some reason cramming all those in one episode really work well in this show
a lot of redshirt character died in this episode
wonder why Alectra change her name to Jill and is there some conspiracy going on with the dragon, because it looks like they want to open the gates

[DuelGundam2099]

And by the way, that "dragonmanipulation" was stupid. Emma got manipulated by the dragon to shoot him?
More like intentionally miss it.

[Miraluka]

Plot Twist:

The one we saw at Sala and Ange's memory was Tusk's viewpoint, in short he's the one witnessing all of that :heh:

What if Tusk is the Akasaka/Keiichi factor of the series?

[TheRealWinston]

[*snip*]

By the way, I am the only one, who remembers this flashbackscene about XenoGears?


And I am the only one, who find it stupid that Hilda is some kind of lesbian, despite that she hated to be Zolas playtoy?

[novakai]

^what up with all the Tusk hate.
I would assume with the way they introduce him in both the island episode and the OP, he will eventually be more relavent. unless the creators trolled us lol

[Ryuga]

And I am the only one, who find it stupid that Hilda is some kind of lesbian, despite that she hated to be Zolas playtoy?

Hilda did say that she loved Zola after her death (right before she threw her eye out the window). So I'm guessing that though she resented being used by Zola, she has feelings for her anyway. Maybe mother issues and Zola took advantage of that vulnerability.

[TheRealWinston]

Hilda did say that she loved Zola after her death (right before she threw her eye out the window). So I'm guessing that though she resented being used by Zola, she has feelings for her anyway. Maybe mother issues and Zola took advantage of that vulnerability.

As far as I remember she said she liked her, not loved. And if she would had really loved her, why would she throw out her artificial eye trough a window.
For me, it was just only some kind of stockholm syndrom, were she felt a little bit sorry for her, and maybe development some kind of feelings to endure Zola's "fondlesessions".
But she actually never felt really comfortable, what you can clearly see in Episode 2 (Look especialy at the Sexscene with her and Zola, Hilda looks like she wanted to scream for help or something like this, but didn't do it, because nothing would change after all).
Same goes to Chris and Rosalie, and I still don't understand why they actually sorrowed for Zola? If you look at episode 2 again, you can clearly see that Zola only abused them, there was never real love.
Well you can say, they need something to tease Ange but they actually really sorrowed for Zola.

[ChampDream]

well a lot of interesting things happen this episode, Sylvia yelling for Ange help is really ironic and I find hilarious how Ange threw Salia XD.

[vic-vic]

I think, just like on tvtropes was said, DRAGONs threw mana-users into uncontrollable murderous rage, that's why those helicopters shoot themselves down.

[HandofFate]

rofl @ the poopstain of an imouto still calling out Ange-oneesame's name after all this for help

[Fellen]

I actually want Sylvia to mana-call Momoka to ask for help and Ange to be like: Screw you! You're not in any danger and even if you were what makes you think a violent, anti-social monster should care. *Ends call*

[ImperialKnight]

Well this episode was really unexpected and it was so stupid. This series became actually worser and worser



They got what they deserved. Hey Sylvia, cry after your sister for help, you know she will never come (I hope she died)

And by the way, that "dragonmanipulation" was stupid. Emma got manipulated by the dragon to shoot him:confused:?
Or had this dragon some kind of deathwish?
Well, I think about making a top ten list of stupid charakters in this show. That dragon who manipulated Emma to shoot at him has very high chances to get at the first place.

I found it interesting how Julio was told to "open a singularity point"

Then next scene we see Emma talking about, "Why didn't we get a call about this?"

Seems like now we know that the singularities are focused near Arzenal in order to harvest the Dragons are being opened by the other nations so they can continue the harvest.

And I don't think the manipulation was stupid. If what we suspect is true, the Dragons are harvested and someone implanted in the people to use "mana."

Therefore Dragons have the ability to enthrall mana users to do stupid things such as commit suicide and such.

When the singularity is opened Sala brings her team against Arzenal but I'm beginning to think she's NOT with Vivian and is a completely separate faction.

So we have.

1. Arzenal led by Jill

2. Vivian and Julio --> Vivian wants Ange dead

3. Sala and co. --> Ability to control Dragons

[HandofFate]

err. wow @ episode 11.
I think this is the first episode I legitimately enjoy from an action perspective.
The rest I'm just laughing at the excessive suffering and "look at the racism!" moments.

Cracked up when Hilda was like "WHATTTT?" with a big mouth and just goes "well, yea that's something you do"

Loved the way Ange picked up and threw her off.

[TheRealWinston]

And I don't think the manipulation was stupid. If what we suspect is true, the Dragons are harvested and someone implanted in the people to use "mana."

Therefore Dragons have the ability to enthrall mana users to do stupid things such as commit suicide and such.

I find it stupid, that the dragon was able to control her, but didn't tell her "don't shoot at me", or something like this.

[Ryuga]

As far as I remember she said she liked her, not loved. And if she would had really loved her, why would she throw out her artificial eye trough a window.
For me, it was just only some kind of stockholm syndrom, were she felt a little bit sorry for her, and maybe development some kind of feelings to endure Zola's "fondlesessions".
But she actually never felt really comfortable, what you can clearly see in Episode 2 (Look especialy at the Sexscene with her and Zola, Hilda looks like she wanted to scream for help or something like this, but didn't do it, because nothing would change after all).
Same goes to Chris and Rosalie, and I still don't understand why they actually sorrowed for Zola? If you look at episode 2 again, you can clearly see that Zola only abused them, there was never real love.
Well you can say, they need something to tease Ange but they actually really sorrowed for Zola.

Regarding Hilda, that could be it yeah. As for Chris and Rosalie, I think they're just desperate for affection and protection, which isn't surprising given the tough environment. And like Hilda, Zola took advantage of them too. Rosalie acts tough, but she's not that strong. Her profile says she's a weak pilot and survives by hanging on to people who are stronger than her. Chris is timid and kind of the same. Which is why they got attached to Zola and Hilda, who were more dominant. When Zola died, they lost their "support". I wanna know more about Zola's background, like where she got her scars and how she lost her eye.

As for why the Dragon didn't manipulate Emma properly, like I said on the last page, it might've been unintentional. Also, the Dragon seems like an infant (Scuna/Schooner) so it might not be that experienced in controlling its powers yet. What the Dragon said through Emma (well, if it was the Dragon) was kinda childish as well. It was weird though, I hope they explain that moment.

[TheRealWinston]

Regarding Hilda, that could be it yeah. As for Chris and Rosalie, I think they're just desperate for affection and protection, which isn't surprising given the tough environment. And like Hilda, Zola took advantage of them too. Rosalie acts tough, but she's not that strong. Her profile says she's a weak pilot and survives by hanging on to people who are stronger than her. Chris is timid and kind of the same. Which is why they got attached to Zola and Hilda, who were more dominant. When Zola died, they lost their "support". I wanna know more about Zola's background, like where she got her scars and how she lost her eye.

As for why the Dragon didn't manipulate Emma properly, like I said on the last page, it might've been unintentional. Also, the Dragon seems like an infant (Scuna/Schooner) so it might not be that experienced in controlling its powers yet. What the Dragon said through Emma (well, if it was the Dragon) was kinda childish as well. It was weird though, I hope they explain that moment.

Would make sense, and I even figured out the same shit. But it would be nice, if there would be some "guy" who would talk about that shit. But better not, because I think Sunrise would screw it.
And Zola's background, maybe she was also a Norma who wasn't send to Arzenal as a toddler/baby, maybe she was send about the same Age as Ange or Hilda, and she got raped from some police officers, or her own father. But well, Zola is dead, so there would be no use for her background anymore.

And about the dragon-mindcontrol-thing, well I probably overread your statement, sorry.

[Ryuga]

No need for apologies at all.

Anyways, I thought this show didn't have any promise at the beginning. Now I'm getting into it proper. This show is so absurd and exploitative, but it's really entertaining for me lol. I didn't expect to like the show this much.

[Anh_Minh]

Regarding Hilda, that could be it yeah. As for Chris and Rosalie, I think they're just desperate for affection and protection, which isn't surprising given the tough environment. And like Hilda, Zola took advantage of them too. Rosalie acts tough, but she's not that strong. Her profile says she's a weak pilot and survives by hanging on to people who are stronger than her. Chris is timid and kind of the same. Which is why they got attached to Zola and Hilda, who were more dominant. When Zola died, they lost their "support". I wanna know more about Zola's background, like where she got her scars and how she lost her eye.

As for why the Dragon didn't manipulate Emma properly, like I said on the last page, it might've been unintentional. Also, the Dragon seems like an infant (Scuna/Schooner) so it might not be that experienced in controlling its powers yet. What the Dragon said through Emma (well, if it was the Dragon) was kinda childish as well. It was weird though, I hope they explain that moment.
It might be some kind of synchronization. The dragon was in a room full of enemies, so Emma saw herself in a room full of enemies.

[Stark700]

Oh those two (Dragon Princess and Ange) will meet again and this doesn't even seem to be their first meeting going by those flashbacks/visions/memories(?)

That Dragon Princess is quite something though. And poor Sala, she isn't the special one. Ouch.

[Top Sergeant]

This show keeps getting better. Cross Ange is this season's anime for adults.

[Nachtwandler]

Cross Ange is the best comedy of the year )

[kobun]

Did anyone notice that salia, has a zaft space suit on. and ange e earth federation one.. in their seed mode moment...

So the guy dragon shows up in the intro, the one with the black paramail. im going to say ange is kidnapped. some time in the next two episodes before we get another rescue mission, to the other dimension.

[Benigmatica]

Did anyone notice that salia, has a zaft space suit on. and ange e earth federation one.. in their seed mode moment...

It's no surprise given that Fukuda is responsible for the Gundam SEED series, but on the other hand... Something tells me that Ange and Sala are reincarnated versions of both Kira and Athrun, respectively! :heh:

[MeisterBabylon]

Actually im pretty sure Sala is the crazy clone expy and Hilda is Athrun.

[Wandering Soul]

It's so funny how Sylvia tried to call Ange for help when she found herself in a terrible situation.

[Stro]

lol with those Saint Seiya references :heh:. No masks though.


http://i.imgur.com/qDy6ymYl.jpg (http://imgur.com/qDy6ymY)

http://i.imgur.com/rxSFvZQ.png

[Esclair]

Wait, Sunrise did the anime for Saint Seiya?

[Elder]

Wait, Sunrise did the anime for Saint Seiya?

Nope Toei better known for QUALITY and terrible remakes. That according to Fukuda is more a bunch of homages to various shows and to show how it's a predetermined event that is occurring the multiverse of potential worlds.

[novakai]

Is Cross Ange the Official Spirited successor to Gundam Seed.
well bring out the Char Clones and Newtypes

[ImperialKnight]

I find it stupid, that the dragon was able to control her, but didn't tell her "don't shoot at me", or something like this.

I wouldn't say control...but her shots weren't really damaging it to begin with and she was more of a danger to the people than the dragon itself.

Speaking of which did anyone notice a rogue dragon running around in the base? It was weird...it was acting almost...human...(Like it was scratching its head and then acting shocked when fired on). This is the preview.

Is Cross Ange the Official Spirited successor to Gundam Seed.
well bring out the Char Clones and Newtypes

I hate Gundam Seed....but it is quite hilarious how it's a spiritual successor.

[DuelGundam2099]

^I noticed too, /m/ thinks its Vivian.

[Esclair]

Nope Toei better known for QUALITY and terrible remakes. That according to Fukuda is more a bunch of homages to various shows and to show how it's a predetermined event that is occurring the multiverse of potential worlds.

Wouldn't they risk getting in trouble for using property that's not theirs? Didn't Shirobako get in trouble for making a parody of Ideon?

Also, with Dragon Princess being Ange's soul mate...does that mean Tusk is just gonna be her servant? :heh:

Did the 2nd and 3rd Paramail troops show up before this episode? It finally answers my question of what's the point of everyone else in Arsenal.

[synx]

Is Cross Ange the Official Spirited successor to Gundam Seed.
well bring out the Char Clones and Newtypes

Well, we already got NT-D...

http://i.imgur.com/MDIEZze.jpg

[risingstar3110]

This anime is just getting better and better.


Sylvian meet her deserved end. So ironic when she called out her oneesama in her last moment....
It seemed the mana users can call the dragon in to harvest them, but can't deal with them because of the chaos shout, so they need the Norma. Riza manipulated Julio, send the dragon directly onto their base planning to crush Arzenal and all Norma. Also no wonder why Arzenal was in the middle of nowhere
HILDA FLAG GETTO!!!
Ange lesbian incarnated fate lover appeared. And she seemed to be the seme in the relationship as well. That settled it then, Ange gonna belong to her for eternity. And it's Hocchan to boost <3

[ryuuya]

What is the ost where sala sing before she fire ? And also when will ange start to upgrade the villkiss by changing the machine gun same as sala's paramail ?

[Horse]

What is the ost where sala sing before she fire ?

Not sure about the english translation for the title but the insert songs so far are:
永遠語り～光ノ歌～ (?Eternity recitation?-Song of Light-), by Ange (Nana Mizuki)
永遠語り～風ノ歌～ (?Eternity recitation?-Song of Wind-), by Sala (Yui Horie)
永遠語り～El Ragna～, by Ange and Sala

All composed/arranged by Akiko Shikata with lyrics by Hibiki.

[fr3@ky_g]

Oh those two (Dragon Princess and Ange) will meet again and this doesn't even seem to be their first meeting going by those flashbacks/visions/memories(?)

That Dragon Princess is quite something though. And poor Salia, she isn't the special one. Ouch.


http://oi57.tinypic.com/33mtkpk.jpg

:heh: :cool:

It's so funny how Sylvia tried to call Ange for help when she found herself in a terrible situation.

This had me laughing all episode long. :heh:

On to more serious stuff:
* Did I just see a Mai-Otome or Mai-Hime potential to this show with all those memories/flashback? :confused:
* DAYUM!!!! That's one very powerful Para Mail....nearly taking out the entire island with one shot. :twitch: OP!!! :heh:
* In connection to that, looks like Arzenal is now short on soldiers with that very powerful shot against the island base taking a lot of para-mail pilots. :upset: :uhoh:
* Also that bed scene between the "antagonist" and Ange.....the Yuri in this one is OVER 9000!!!! :heh:
* So the dragons can mind control mana users? Talk about laser guided karma. :p
* Is the antogonist supposed to be bat shit insane or something? I mean she just smiled at Ange when meeting her and this was AFTER she almost took out the island and a good number of Arzenal's paramail pilots. :confused::uhoh:
* Also, Hilda's line about Salia feeling different than Ange when Salia leaned on Hilda's back. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!

[risingstar3110]

On to more serious stuff:
* Did I just see a Mai-Otome or Mai-Hime potential to this show with all those memories/flashback? :confused:
* DAYUM!!!! That's one very powerful Para Mail....nearly taking out the entire island with one shot. :twitch: OP!!! :heh:
* In connection to that, looks like Arzenal is now short on soldiers with that very powerful shot against the island base taking a lot of para-mail pilots. :upset: :uhoh:
* Also that bed scene between the "antagonist" and Ange.....the Yuri in this one is OVER 9000!!!! :heh:
* So the dragons can mind control mana users? Talk about laser guided karma. :p
* Is the antogonist supposed to be bat shit insane or something? I mean she just smiled at Ange when meeting her and this was AFTER she almost took out the island and a good number of Arzenal's paramail pilots. :confused::uhoh:
* Also, Hilda's line about Salia feeling different than Ange when Salia leaned on Hilda's back. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!
Yuri. Yuri everywhere :heh:

Salia and her onee-sama Jill. Hilda flag is then triggered by Ange (these dual are destined to be great). Ange meet her fate-bounded reincarnated lover Sala. Already could see these two make cameo in all Sunrise anime from now on

Btw, the ending seems to indicated that the short cheerful girl will need a certain medicine/plant to survive. Means likely they will have to in a hunt for that next episode

[Top Sergeant]

Some folks here are saying Emma was mind controlled by the Dragon. Her eyes did seem to change a bit, maybe. Personally I just think she's a really lousy shot; when they tossed her that rifle she held it like it was a dead rat, and then never bothered to aim, just sprayed & prayed. Jill knocked her out because she was more dangerous to the command crew than the Dragon was! :D

[Benigmatica]

Not sure about the english translation for the title but the insert songs so far are:
永遠語り～光ノ歌～ (?Eternity recitation?-Song of Light-), by Ange (Nana Mizuki)
永遠語り～風ノ歌～ (?Eternity recitation?-Song of Wind-), by Sala (Yui Horie)
永遠語り～El Ragna～, by Ange and Sala

All composed/arranged by Akiko Shikata with lyrics by Hibiki.

What's the release date for the insert songs 'cause I wanna hear both Nana and Hocchan making a duet!

[Nork22]

Wouldn't they risk getting in trouble for using property that's not theirs? Didn't Shirobako get in trouble for making a parody of Ideon?
Don't want to go too far off-topic but it seems more like the issue of the play "Waiting for Godot" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot#Beckett.27s_objection_to_female_ actors) that was mentioned.

Not sure about the english translation for the title but the insert songs so far are:
永遠語り～光ノ歌～ (?Eternity recitation?-Song of Light-), by Ange (Nana Mizuki)
永遠語り～風ノ歌～ (?Eternity recitation?-Song of Wind-), by Sala (Yui Horie)
永遠語り～El Ragna～, by Ange and Sala

All composed/arranged by Akiko Shikata with lyrics by Hibiki.
Can't wait for the single to come out.

Also, if anyone noticed, Sala's Para-mail has a Dragon as it's hood ornament, while Villkiss has an Angel. Guess that's the Rondo of Angels and Dragons comes in.

[Sinestra]

Not a huge surprise that Julio is being manipulated we all pretty much called that. She looked like succubus or half dragon. The part i did not guess was that Julio can actually open portals, im curious if there is a family relic like Anges rings that allows him to open portals. It also seems not confirmed that dragons may be able to control mana users (this could be a problem)

The power of song can control dragons no surprise there and the song that Anges mother taught her was the family piece for bringing out Villkiss final form.

What i am curious about is that our dark haired Paramail pilot makes her debut and she states. "For what reason does a False-Citizen sing the true star song?"

False-citizen, plus the images the two shared which looks like these girls being reincarnated through the ages. Given that Anges mother gave her the ring that allows Vilkiss to bring out its true power and that she taught her that song somethings are starting to make sense. I have a feeling that Anges mother is actually Royalty but from the Dragons world. Only royalty know and are allowed to sing the star-song. The other para-mail's are designed off the ones from the dragons world. Vilkiss is probably a machine for royalty and so is the Dragon-Priestess. Ange could possibly be royalty from both worlds and if she can sing the star song, that means she can control dragons as well.

[Haruyasha]

Don't worry guys, I can predict one thing that'll happen within the next few episodes.

Something that ALWAYS gets any Gundam or mecha crew out of any sticky situation. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAp2in0tp0o&t=4m04s)

Lets think carefully about this, why the **** is there a random cliff in the middle of an Ocean?

What i am curious about is that our dark haired Paramail pilot makes her debut and she states. "For what reason does a False-Citizen sing the true star song?"

inb4 False Citizens are the mana users, while the True Citizens are the Norma.

[Yye1]

Been thinking about this, since they panned on Vivian`s face at the end, can it be that the lollipops she eats is actually necessary for survival, and is produced by the Plant? Kinda like Brynhildr.

[Benigmatica]

@Yye1

What if Vivian's lollipops were not manufactured anymore? But you know what, that idea of yours could work to flesh it out further regarding her DRAGON origins!

[TheRealWinston]

Why does everyone think, that Vivian is a dragon too?

[cyberdemon]

It's so funny how Sylvia tried to call Ange for help when she found herself in a terrible situation.

It probably means that they had brainwashed her to have her do what she did before.

[Sinestra]

?



inb4 False Citizens are the mana users, while the True Citizens are the Norma.

That doesn't make much sense since Ange is a Norma and she directed her question right at her. Im sure she knows that the ones that are always fighting the dragons are Norma and the ones that do not fight are the Mana users

[Bein Nine]

Why does everyone think, that Vivian is a dragon too?

Because she's conspicuous by her absence in the preview, and the focus on Vivian during Jill and Maggie's discussion of the 'Plant'. I'm not so sure about that conclusion myself, but it's clear that Vivian is VERY special in this story.

About the Dragon: I think that it's Emma. In that scene you were complaining about earlier, where Emma shot up the dragon and the control center, I think that the Dragon 'switched bodies' with Emma, shot up it's old body to keep Emma from trying to clue everyone in, and shot up the command center to keep them from properly coordinating when Sala showed up. When 'Emma' was sure she had infiltrated the base properly, she sent the signal for Sala to fall back.
If I'm right, the next episode will probably start with the bridge bunnies trying to clean up the old command center when the 'dragon' wakes up and starts to realize that this isn't her body.

As for Vivian:did anybody else notice that she was in every scene in that montage that wasn't devoted to just Ange and Sala?

[DuelGundam2099]

^I also think Zola and Hilda were in one of those shots as well.

[Ryuga]

@Bein and Anh_Minh: you two could be right actually. I went back and watched the scene and heard a human scream slowly overlapping the roar.

I'll put my theories in spoilers as well.

Well, a lot of crackpot theories have been coming out lately, like Sala/Sara is the same baby that the police took away from the mother in the first episode, so here's some of mine haha.

1) Embryo's actually Julio but from a different timeline. I actually thought the guy was Julio until I realised he was a separate character. Or he's a Dragon. Whatever.

2) Ange's mother knows the song because of some dimensional mess up/the royal family have Dragon blood or are the descendants of someone who knows the song/is important. I dunno lol.

3) Like everyone has been saying, the Dragons (or just Riza) are controlling things behind the scenes. Possibly assimilating/mind controlling en masse.

4) Still sticking with another common theory that Dragons are possibly a source of Mana/tech, but with the addition that people are deliberately opening portals near Arzenal so the Norma can gather them.

Honestly, I really shouldn't bother trying to theorise what's gonna happen. Like, anything could happen, this show is bonkers.

[DuelGundam2099]

this show is bonkers.
It really isn't.

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

And considering there's Para-mails on the other side, and Villkiss is clearly of the same type as those ones, it makes me wonder if Villkiss came from that side and was "the first" Para-mail on the other side and where all the others were developed from.

Next thing you know, we'll have a Rau Le Creuset character who wants everyone to destroy each other.

[Nvis]

@Bein and Anh_Minh: you two could be right actually. I went back and watched the scene and heard a human scream slowly overlapping the roar.

I'll put my theories in spoilers as well.

Well, a lot of crackpot theories have been coming out lately, like Sala/Sara is the same baby that the police took away from the mother in the first episode, so here's some of mine haha.

1) Embryo's actually Julio but from a different timeline. I actually thought the guy was Julio until I realised he was a separate character. Or he's a Dragon. Whatever.

2) Ange's mother knows the song because of some dimensional mess up/the royal family have Dragon blood or are the descendants of someone who knows the song/is important. I dunno lol.

3) Like everyone has been saying, the Dragons (or just Riza) are controlling things behind the scenes. Possibly assimilating/mind controlling en masse.

4) Still sticking with another common theory that Dragons are possibly a source of Mana/tech, but with the addition that people are deliberately opening portals near Arzenal so the Norma can gather them.

Honestly, I really shouldn't bother trying to theorise what's gonna happen. Like, anything could happen, this show is bonkers.


Embryo looks too much like Tusk's dad, but with long hair, IMO.

Cyberformula spoof, because I'm a die-hard CF fan.
http://i.imgur.com/yyFFRMY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EfF16IO.jpg
-Asurada and Team Aoi's Ogre, lol
-Ange = Kazami Hayato
-Sala = Kaga
-Zola's wearing Franz outfit
-Hilda wearing Gullidian's?

[Bein Nine]

^I also think Zola and Hilda were in one of those shots as well.
Not Zola, but almost all of Salia Squad were in those latter 2 group scenes:

The Boarding School scene had Principal Bronson Emma-Koucho bring Sala into Jill-Sensei's class. Ange looked as though she'd recognized Sala while fellow students Ersha, Salia, and Vivian were wondering what Ange was going on about.

The Bike Racer scene had Ange & Sala shake hands while Jasmine and her crew (Mei, Chris, Vivian, and some girl I don't recognize, but I'm sure it's not Salia) watch on Sala's side and Hilda and some blond guy look on from Ange's side. So far, Momoka, Rosalie, Maggie, and Tusk haven't been seen.

[Nvis]

The Bike Racer scene had Ange & Sala shake hands while Jasmine and her crew (Mei, Chris, Vivian, and some girl I don't recognize, but I'm sure it's not Salia) watch on Sala's side and Hilda and some blond guy look on from Ange's side. So far, Momoka, Rosalie, Maggie, and Tusk haven't been seen.

That's an insult, brotha!

Did you not see my post above yours?

[Gundam888]

I don,t think he is he could a relative

[DuelGundam2099]

Not Zola, but almost all of Salia Squad were in those latter 2 group scenes
Uhh, about that....
-Zola's wearing Franz outfit

[Top Sergeant]

Because she's conspicuous by her absence in the preview, and the focus on Vivian during Jill and Maggie's discussion of the 'Plant'. I'm not so sure about that conclusion myself, but it's clear that Vivian is VERY special in this story.

I've been wondering about this 'plant'. Is it plant as in flower or some such, or is it a plant in the sense of a manufacturing plant, a factory producing weapons, ammunition or fuel, or some other kind of war materiel?

[Bein Nine]

@ Nvis: Not when I'd written my post. I am glad I'd gotten the theme right, tho.

@DuelGundam2099: Hunh. Zola needs to stop wearing trenchcoats that make her look fat. :)

@RX-78GP04G-Gerbera: I think that's Risa's job...

@Top Sergeant: If the theory about Vivian being a DRAGON are right, then the plant makes some sort of chemical that's put into Vivi's lollypops to keep her cute, cuddly, and human norma.

[Ingram]

That dragon who manipulated Emma to shoot at him has very high chances to get at the first place.
Manipulation of some sort might be the most likely, but maybe she just blue-screened when face to face with a dragon, and cracked?

It was fun seeing some of the kids on the island. I'm going to have to go back and take a better look at all of the images of Ange/Sala's history. Someone might have captured them all, but I wouldn't know where to start looking... ^^;

[Ryuga]

Next thing you know, we'll have a Rau Le Creuset character who wants everyone to destroy each other.

Funny you should say that, this Embryo guy's voiced by the same person. Seeing as Seki also voiced Masaki from Zeorymer, I reckon he's gonna be a right scumbag.

[Elder]

I've been wondering about this 'plant'. Is it plant as in flower or some such, or is it a plant in the sense of a manufacturing plant, a factory producing weapons, ammunition or fuel, or some other kind of war materiel?

It's a physical complex. If you have seen the map of the island. It's near the corner (along with the graves) which got wrecked by Sala's song.

I suspect it's producing some sort of medicinal or drug that is keeping Vivian human.

[risingstar3110]

Manipulation of some sort might be the most likely, but maybe she just blue-screened when face to face with a dragon, and cracked?

It was fun seeing some of the kids on the island. I'm going to have to go back and take a better look at all of the images of Ange/Sala's history. Someone might have captured them all, but I wouldn't know where to start looking... ^^;
Doing it. It's tell the good story on the relationship of these two....

When they have to fight off nature (stone age, against dinosaur and nature disaster) they are partners. When faced off in battle, they are nemesis. During war and destruction, they helped on and admired each other. During peace, they are romance interest, comrades and of course lovers.... So yes they are connected by the string of fates


I knew it paid a lot of cameos to other series, but that screen was really amazing. Don't know if any series did this before, but such a great way to introduce a new character and emphasis her relevance toward the main character

[playmaker2k]

I'm telling you right now, I have nothing against Tusk, but his very presence is disrupting what would be a glorious Ange x Hilda x Sala triangle of epic yuri proportions.

Sunrise, if you like money, you know what to do.

Do the right thing. You don't have to take him out, just let him be a knight. That's all. :heh:

[risingstar3110]

I'm telling you right now, I have nothing against Tusk, but his very presence is disrupting what would be a glorious Ange x Hilda x Sala triangle of epic yuri proportions.

Sunrise, if you like money, you know what to do.

Do the right thing. You don't have to take him out, just let him be a knight. That's all. :heh:
This :heh:

I heard that Cross Ange got a relatively good order so far? So yeah good job Sunrise. You are doing good and heading on right direction. Just ditch that Tusk and set up the yuri love triangle

And from animenewsnetwork episode review:
And sorry, Hilda, but you aren't fooling anyone. Despite your claims to have gone along with the whole lesbian sex thing as a means to an end, we all saw how you reacted when Ange was briefly pressed against your back at one point.

[Gundam888]

I disagree with that

[Golos]

The Bike Racer scene had Ange & Sala shake hands while Jasmine and her crew (Mei, Chris, Vivian, and some girl I don't recognize, but I'm sure it's not Salia) watch on Sala's side and Hilda and some blond guy look on from Ange's side. So far, Momoka, Rosalie, Maggie, and Tusk haven't been seen.

Salia is with Hilda and Zola in this scene. Momoka is with Jasmine's team (far left).

[Rokumonsen]

This episode has so many yuri flags it hurts my eyes. :heh:

[Top Sergeant]

This episode has so many yuri flags it hurts my eyes. :heh:

Well I suppose they don't have much choice when it comes to sex. There aren't any males at all on Arzenal, and most of the girls never even grew up around any boys if they came there as infants.

[ryuuya]

I just hope fukuda change and upgrade the vilkiss since i really like the the flight mode(rather than the vilkiss) of the yang dragon and give the villkiss a railgun and beam saber so ange can throw the sword( and pick up again) to her enemy when she wants.

[Horse]

Can't wait for the single to come out.

The songs seem to be OST exclusives (for now). Ange's song will be on the first soundtrack bundled with the first Blu-Ray/DVD (December 24).

[DuelGundam2099]

Well I suppose they don't have much choice when it comes to sex. There aren't any males at all on Arzenal, and most of the girls never even grew up around any boys if they came there as infants.
This. Seriously folks, why is anyone surprised?

[risingstar3110]

This. Seriously folks, why is anyone surprised?
That won't explain the introduction of Ange's incarnated lesbian lover...

Just accept it, the yuri is strong in this one....:heh:

[DuelGundam2099]

I never denied it. I would wonder what if the normas were introduced to males.

[Pablete]

This. Seriously folks, why is anyone surprised?

Some people are just in denial(inb4 like the post that will come afyer mine). Isn't like every girl got their own Tusk, only Ange did.

[risingstar3110]

I never denied it. I would wonder what if the normas were introduced to males.
*look at Hilda*
They (the norma) will be beaten up, of course


But hey, Ange has a choice to go with Tusk and escape her shitty life. But she made her decision to stay back with the girls, ok? It's her life, so don't force society expectation on her :p

[DuelGundam2099]

At what point was I forcing society expectations on her or anyone for that matter?

[risingstar3110]

At what point was I forcing society expectations on her or anyone for that matter?
Your really are too serious for the internet

[germanturkey]

i'd be sad if vivian was killed off or something because they couldn't suppress her dragon form (completely theory crafting right now.) she's fun and adds a dimension only shared by Salia's cosplay.

anyways, Ange and Dragon Princess are reincarnates over a bazillion years? makes the show much more interesting. despite all the fanservice (not the worse i've seen by a country mile) this show is actually quite entertaining.

[risingstar3110]

Stating that Ange has a choice to go with Tusk and escape her prisoner life. But she made her decision to stay back with the girls for apparently no ultimate goal other than her affection/interest toward them ? And then joked about it? That's "derailing the thread"?

[TheRealWinston]

Stating that Ange has a choice to go with Tusk and escape her prisoner life. But she made her decision to stay back with the girls for apparently no ultimate goal other than her affection/interest toward them ? And then joked about it? That's "derailing the thread"?

But wasn't it Tusk's assigenment to bring Ange back?

[EroKing]

http://i.imgur.com/fgKjWfsl.jpg (http://imgur.com/fgKjWfs)

[Mangonel]

@TheEroKing
I've noticed open-chest sweater fan art is all the rage atm. Not sure why, but I approve.

The fan service in this series seems tacked on to me. I don't think it really adds anything, those who want ecchi will go elsewhere those who don't care have to be willing to put up with it.

I wonder if the source was more properly erotic and the anime is just poorly translating or what?

I do like how the show keeps things going, it never lets itself settle into a monster-of-the-week rut. The characters (at least the ones who've had some spotlight) are reasonably interesting and the plot somehow makes biker-gundams vs dragons less retarded that I first expected.

[risingstar3110]

But wasn't it Tusk's assigenment to bring Ange back?
I means the first time around, when Ange went back in the pretext of "i still have to revenge against Hilda" but then she ended up doing nothing except starting to get to speaking term with the girls.

@TheEroKing
I've noticed open-chest sweater fan art is all the rage atm. Not sure why, but I approve.

The fan service in this series seems tacked on to me. I don't think it really adds anything, those who want ecchi will go elsewhere those who don't care have to be willing to put up with it.

I wonder if the source was more properly erotic and the anime is just poorly translating or what?

I do like how the show keeps things going, it never lets itself settle into a monster-of-the-week rut. The characters (at least the ones who've had some spotlight) are reasonably interesting and the plot somehow makes biker-gundams vs dragons less retarded that I first expected.
I remember that i was reading somewhere about how this anime is "original source material" . So maybe it's simultaneously released with the manga?

[Kazu-kun]

This is anime original. The manga is the adaptation.

[ryuuya]

when we will see some upgrade on their paramail especially the vilkiss ?

[Top Sergeant]

when we will see some upgrade on their paramail especially the vilkiss ?

Vilkiss apparently now has a Wave Motion Gun. Does it need more upgrading? ;)

[TheRealWinston]

@TheEroKing
I've noticed open-chest sweater fan art is all the rage atm. Not sure why, but I approve.

I have a few questions, what started it, and would women or girls really wear something like this?


...and the plot somehow makes biker-gundams vs dragons less retarded that I first expected.

Because the plot is actually retarted itself?

[Benigmatica]

Vilkiss apparently now has a Wave Motion Gun. Does it need more upgrading? ;)

I think the Vilkiss needs more upgrading as its song-powered WMG isn't enough!

[Ryuga]

Gold mode and blasts activated by songs that can blow away half an island, plus she put up a pretty good fight against her rival one-on-one. I'd say Ange's in a comfortable position right now but the Villkiss could get an upgrade next season depending on how strong future enemies are. The others are the ones who need a boost, but the series made it clear this ep that they haven't got the X-Factor.

And yeah, the fanservice does feel tacked on at times, though it can be funny. The edginess (like Arzenal being a place where domination and hazing is rife) could have been executed in a way that didn't piss off so many people (a lot of people didn't go past ep.1 or 2) and the story wouldn't have suffered for it. You can tell the creators are trying to hit as much merchandise targets as possible, plus it's a late midnight show so their approach to hitting those targets is basically the equivalent of Dutch and co. levelling the jungle trying to hit the Predator. They're just spraying everywhere.

Regardless, I'm enjoying the show quite a lot, it's a wild ride. It's fun trying to guess what's going to happen next, and yeah, the characters and plot are interesting and entertaining enough to keep me tuned in.

[Fellen]

I have a few questions, what started it, and would women or girls really wear something like this?
To quote a post of mine from the Fate/ Series image thread where someone asked a similar question: On December 4th, 2014, a Japanese cosplayer Myako (みゃこ) tweeted photos of a keyhole turtleneck sweater and herself wearing it which led to people sharing the pictures and since it's the internet you can most likely figure the rest out yourself.

Original pictures:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4AxGHSCEAAg4qS.jpg:smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4AxGHTCIAAz-gj.jpg:small

[MeisterBabylon]

And considering there's Para-mails on the other side, and Villkiss is clearly of the same type as those ones, it makes me wonder if Villkiss came from that side and was "the first" Para-mail on the other side and where all the others were developed from.

Next thing you know, we'll have a Rau Le Creuset character who wants everyone to destroy each other.

Thats like so yandere. And we know who is top candidate.

[Kusano]

Embryo looks too much like Tusk's dad, but with long hair, IMO.

Cyberformula spoof, because I'm a die-hard CF fan.
http://i.imgur.com/yyFFRMY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EfF16IO.jpg
-Asurada and Team Aoi's Ogre, lol
-Ange = Kazami Hayato
-Sala = Kaga
-Zola's wearing Franz outfit
-Hilda wearing Gullidian's?


Hahaha, I'm still wishing for a new Cyberformula.


Horie Yui's mecha is so badass I want a figure of it already. I'm such a sucker for cool rival mechas lol.

[silvercover]

https://data.archive.moe/board/a/image/1418/60/1418602906084.jpg

let us all give a moment of silence and pay our respect for DGMKM XGJKKK and the rest of the dearly departed.
we hardly knew ya :(

[Yye1]

^ Im surprised they got the Chinese name right

[risingstar3110]

let us all give a moment of silence and pay our respect for DGMKM XGJKKK and the rest of the dearly departed.
we hardly knew ya :(
Sharp eyes....

Let just assume Norma was named with Alphabet code before they realised thatit's a freaking bad idea

[Benigmatica]

Sharp eyes....

Let just assume Norma was named with Alphabet code before they realised thatit's a freaking bad idea

Not just a single Norma, but dozens of it... I guess Sunrise just type some random letters for the gravestones!

Then again, those gravestones should have names like Fyana, Hitomi, and other Sunrise heroines...

[silvercover]

The definition of laziness, or trolling.
They could just have blurred it or even left it blank, but nooo...

[flamerounin]

I don't know if anyone else has already taken note of it but I can't help but notice something peculiar with the montage. Besides Momoka, Emma seems to be the only human character who is included in the montage. Sylvia doesn't seem to be included.

Going further with that, outside of Momoka and Tusk, Emma seems to be the only sympathetic, or at least semi-sympathetic human character. Outside of her occasional spats of why she hates normas, she really hasn't done anything yet that can be considered as crossing the line (she, in fact, disliked that whole anal probe deal in episode 1). They even made sure to point out that her actions in this ep is purely because she is being mind-controlled by the dragon. Also note that her role in Arzenal isn't that of the cruel overseer, but more of the comically inept one, and her relationship with Jill at the least seem to be very business-like.

I dunno. I wouldn't be surprised if she would be one of the few human characters who would switch sides later in the series.

[ryuuya]

Vilkiss apparently now has a Wave Motion Gun. Does it need more upgrading? ;)

the yang dragon flight mode looks good and i prefer a beam rilfe( or a railgun) and also some beam saber( i prefer two) to have vilkiss more firepower.

[Benigmatica]

How about letting Vilkiss equip L-Gaim's Buster Launcher and Voltes V's Tenkuuken!

[ryuuya]

How about letting Vilkiss equip L-Gaim's Buster Launcher and Voltes V's Tenkuuken!

lol and how about some funnels and change the ice bullet( when they freeze the dragon to a explosive type just like the destiny gundam)

[risingstar3110]

I don't know if anyone else has already taken note of it but I can't help but notice something peculiar with the montage. Besides Momoka, Emma seems to be the only human character who is included in the montage. Sylvia doesn't seem to be included.

Going further with that, outside of Momoka and Tusk, Emma seems to be the only sympathetic, or at least semi-sympathetic human character. Outside of her occasional spats of why she hates normas, she really hasn't done anything yet that can be considered as crossing the line (she, in fact, disliked that whole anal probe deal in episode 1). They even made sure to point out that her actions in this ep is purely because she is being mind-controlled by the dragon. Also note that her role in Arzenal isn't that of the cruel overseer, but more of the comically inept one, and her relationship with Jill at the least seem to be very business-like.

I dunno. I wouldn't be surprised if she would be one of the few human characters who would switch sides later in the series.
Yeah. maybe because she's away from the constant brainwashing Mana society.

[Freya]

So what in the world happened there in the beginning of the last ep?

[TheRealWinston]

I don't know if anyone else has already taken note of it but I can't help but notice something peculiar with the montage. Besides Momoka, Emma seems to be the only human character who is included in the montage. Sylvia doesn't seem to be included.

Going further with that, outside of Momoka and Tusk, Emma seems to be the only sympathetic, or at least semi-sympathetic human character. Outside of her occasional spats of why she hates normas, she really hasn't done anything yet that can be considered as crossing the line (she, in fact, disliked that whole anal probe deal in episode 1). They even made sure to point out that her actions in this ep is purely because she is being mind-controlled by the dragon. Also note that her role in Arzenal isn't that of the cruel overseer, but more of the comically inept one, and her relationship with Jill at the least seem to be very business-like.

I dunno. I wouldn't be surprised if she would be one of the few human characters who would switch sides later in the series.

Well, it is true, but she also doesn't behave that she dislike the whole status quo. She even said to Momoka, that Normas are aggressive, unsocial, and etc.
And I think that she will later be a hostage for the Normas, or something like this.

[flamerounin]

Well, it is true, but she also doesn't behave that she dislike the whole status quo. She even said to Momoka, that Normas are aggressive, unsocial, and etc.
And I think that she will later be a hostage for the Normas, or something like this.
That is the most that she have done actually, unlike, say, Misty or that short-haired former friend of Ange, with their over the top bigotry. With Emma, it feels like it's mostly because of the conditioning, and she has yet to show outright malice towards the normas.

[Ryuga]

Emma's pretty soft, I wouldn't be surprised if she got her position due to nepotism. Nobody really seems to respect or pay much attention to her (like when Jill, Maggie and Jasmine made fun of her during the festival). Jill's the one with the authority and she rules the joint with an iron fist (haha). Emma's not ruthless like Jill is, despite being prejudiced, and yeah, she's around Norma regularly so she's more comfortable around them compared to most.

[TheRealWinston]

That is the most that she have done actually, unlike, say, Misty or that short-haired former friend of Ange, with their over the top bigotry. With Emma, it feels like it's mostly because of the conditioning, and she has yet to show outright malice towards the normas.
What have Misty actually done, well, she also has prejuduces against Normas, but she still couldn't believe, that her friend Ange would be also one. And she didn't resist to help Ange at her escape. I think, she will tell the truth about the normas, arzenal, and the dragons. Or something like this.
The one short-haired "friend" well...please let her die by a dragon.

[foxbox360]

I hope this series ended in a bloodbath with they world burning down. After these last couple of episode, it headed down that path.

[Sinestra]

hahahahaha im glad im not the only one who wants a hell and brimstone
ending

[ImperialKnight]

Going further with that, outside of Momoka and Tusk, Emma seems to be the only sympathetic, or at least semi-sympathetic human character. Outside of her occasional spats of why she hates normas, she really hasn't done anything yet that can be considered as crossing the line (she, in fact, disliked that whole anal probe deal in episode 1). They even made sure to point out that her actions in this ep is purely because she is being mind-controlled by the dragon. Also note that her role in Arzenal isn't that of the cruel overseer, but more of the comically inept one, and her relationship with Jill at the least seem to be very business-like.

I dunno. I wouldn't be surprised if she would be one of the few human characters who would switch sides later in the series.

Like Effie from The Hunger Games? For her it was sorta not her choice but nevertheless she wouldn't hesitate to stand next to her tributes.

As we know, one of the nations is responsible for overseeing the facility, hence the princess that came to see Ange, so Emma is probably from that nation as well. We do see her talking to her Dad and she tells him, "Don't worry Dad, everything is fine, no Norma will get out of line so long as I'm here." So she's clearly not here out of debt or something.

Besides, it's typical human nature, while she grew up the same as everyone else she understands the reality about the Dragons and the role the Normas play in it. The way she spats it's almost like she doesn't even believe it half the time. When you spend more and more time with people it changes you.

[flamerounin]

There, I rewatched the opening, and Emma is actually grouped along with the other Arzenal staff and Jill (the command center scene). She also has the same prominence as Momoka in the ED (medium sized image, from the waist up). Let's see if this holds for the second OP and ED.

Emma's pretty soft, I wouldn't be surprised if she got her position due to nepotism. Nobody really seems to respect or pay much attention to her (like when Jill, Maggie and Jasmine made fun of her during the festival). Jill's the one with the authority and she rules the joint with an iron fist (haha). Emma's not ruthless like Jill is, despite being prejudiced, and yeah, she's around Norma regularly so she's more comfortable around them compared to most.

Like Effie from The Hunger Games? For her it was sorta not her choice but nevertheless she wouldn't hesitate to stand next to her tributes.

As we know, one of the nations is responsible for overseeing the facility, hence the princess that came to see Ange, so Emma is probably from that nation as well. We do see her talking to her Dad and she tells him, "Don't worry Dad, everything is fine, no Norma will get out of line so long as I'm here." So she's clearly not here out of debt or something.

Besides, it's typical human nature, while she grew up the same as everyone else she understands the reality about the Dragons and the role the Normas play in it. The way she spats it's almost like she doesn't even believe it half the time. When you spend more and more time with people it changes you.

That really makes her character stand out more in contrast to the other mana user characters. Her hatred of normas is so far shown to be something more of annoyance rather than outright bigotry. And she is played out more for laughs rather than someone to loathe.

[Stark700]

Oh boy, look who showed up at the end....:o

Ange and Hilda are welcomed back to the team again. No surprise there. And lol, what's up with the dragon and the curry?

[Key Board]

this is more or less Xenogears right now

and Wilkiss will probably go Id Mode next week

[Haruyasha]

That doesn't make much sense since Ange is a Norma and she directed her question right at her. Im sure she knows that the ones that are always fighting the dragons are Norma and the ones that do not fight are the Mana users

Memory loss.

Also, god damn it. Not another Schneizel... And his name is Embryo? Like a fetus?

Maybe it explains why he's an asshole. Probably got bullied all his life. Better they named him Zanza.

[DuelGundam2099]

this is more or less Xenogears right now
Never heard of it.

[Gundam888]

Apparently tusk dad was part group of awsome freedom fighters who where not part of the military and I refuse to use the word terrorists beacuse they targeted the so called police and millitry they stole millitry boat they are totaly awesome who stood up and did the right thing to bad there aren't more people like that in that world

[Haruyasha]

Dat episode, holy shit.

Them reveals. I presume this means we won't see another episode until January then.

[Miraluka]

Apparently tusk dad was part group of awsome freedom fighters who where not part of the military and I refuse to use the word terrorists beacuse they targeted the so called police and millitry they stole millitry boat they are totaly awesome who stood up and did the right thing to bad there aren't more people like that in that world
We expected that : )

[Gundam888]

Will see another episodie in December and I know how freedom fighters met the Internet

[ryuuya]

embryo just show his paramail and ange might be in trouble since i feel the vilkiss need some high tech upgrade same as embryo or sala. Or a song that she need to sing so the vilkiss get some high tech upgrade

[Elder]

Hopefully it's just Ersha and Chris that die next episode.

And looks like Tusk isn't a Norma at all. His father is apparently an oldtype.

The mana users are confirmed to be post-humans.

[Miraluka]

I think they have raised enough DFs by themselves.

[TheRealWinston]

this is more or less Xenogears right now

and Wilkiss will probably go Id Mode next week

Well I am not the only one, what think about Xenogears.

Memory loss.

Also, god damn it. Not another Schneizel... And his name is Embryo? Like a fetus?

Maybe it explains why he's an asshole. Probably got bullied all his life. Better they named him Zanza.

Well Xenoblade Chronicles didn't includ some kind of reincarnation typo, but it was a spirituell succesor of Xenogears, so maybe I unterstand what you mean. But I still haven't watched the new episode (because subs aren't out now) so I don't really know why you compare him with Zanza.

Never heard of it.
Xenogears is an old PS1 game. It is an RPG which includes Mechas and the plot is so complicated that I better don't start to explain it. But the mainchar Fei is also fated to be reincarnated with his significant other Ely.
Something like we saw in episode 11 with Sala and Ange. Although, it is possible Cross Ange didn't show as former lifes of them, but lifes in other dimensions or something like this.
Well one think about Xenogears you must probably know is, that it is made out of a scrapped earlier version of Final Fantasy 7 and it is the fifth game in a six game planned series, but it was the only installment, because Squaresoft (the publisher) wasn't really interrested in the series. It's even a wonder, that even Xenogears was produced, because Square never really cared about this game. Actually Xenogears itself is more or less unfinished, because the team behind this game had to often help out with FF 7 or 8 or both (I don't really know) and Square Enix put a strict deadline at one point, so that the last 3/4 of the game isn't a real JRPG, it is more like an interactive book or theaterplay.
The men behind Xenogears left Squaresoft after few years and founded monolithsoft and with Namco as publisher they made the Xenosaga trilogy. Altough there are theories Xenosaga is the prequel to Xenogears, it is actually not a prequel. It is more a spirituell succesor, because they share "many" storyaspects, but they are not connected in any storyasspects.
Later Monolithsoft was bought by Nintendo and produced Xenoblade Chronicles, which is also only a spirituell succesor. Same goes for the upcoming Xenoblade Chronicles X for the WiiU.

[Yye1]

Woah, this episode seems to have all sorts of reveals and twists going on

[Key Board]

Never heard of it.

it has reincarnation, artificially made humans, super powerful prototype mechs, inherited destiny and pseudo gods

also Wilkiss might do this next week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFQJE8eNF6A

[Wingsaber]

it has reincarnation, artificially made humans, super powerful prototype mechs, inherited destiny and pseudo gods

also Wilkiss might do this next week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFQJE8eNF6A



That or the final white Xenogear version.

[CGrascal]

D.R.A.G.O.N. are people!

[novakai]

Judging by the next episode preview, Embryo's vilkiss is pretty much Epyon from Gundam Wing
And is this the start of Tusk's conquest of all the girls in arsenal starting with Vivian (probably not lol)
I am going to guess that Julio is to incompetent to lead a naval battle and fail spectacularly.

[n0m@n]

Judging by the next episode preview, Embryo's vilkiss is pretty much Epyon from Gundam Wing
And is this the start of Tusk's conquest of all the girls in arsenal starting with Vivian (probably not lol)
I am going to guess that Julio is to incompetent to lead a naval battle and fail spectacularly.

He will pretty much be Yuna Roma Seiran of this show.
And Embryo will be a mix of Rau and Durandal.

[Terrestrial Dream]

this is more or less Xenogears right now

and Wilkiss will probably go Id Mode next week
Yeah, I agree. And people turning into dragon is similar to Xenogears towards the end of the game.

Never heard of it.Xenogears should have been the greatest rpg ever made.

[akumaten]

D.R.A.G.O.N. are people!

Saw it comming

I have a feeling that Mana is a way of protecting people from becoming Dragons.
So, find a way to remove Mana, and everyone could be a dragon

[akumaten]

Soon, Ange finally goes full Kira and starts protecting Dragons

[ryuuya]

The hype is real !!!!

[Bein Nine]

D.R.A.G.O.N. are people!
And Thus the question:

Are D.R.A.G.O.N.s Human or Norma?

[Benigmatica]

Someone knew it that Vivian is a DRAGON... and all humans are DRAGONs all along! What a twist, thank you Embryo for making a world where achieving true utopia is impossible!

I think Embryo should learn history that no matter how many times he create a society where humans can live in peace, there's always be a struggle and therefore not having a perfect human civilization. Damn that jerkass god!

[DuelGundam2099]

So much got revealed this episode yet so much still has not been explained! SUSPENSE! Should I feel bad that I now like this series more than G-Reco?:heh:

.................

Turns out norma are artificial creations like the mana users (why only female though) and double as both scapegoats and expendables against the dragons (although they don't explain whether or not they can nullify manner too). Jill did not explain this all to Ange sooner because WHY? And why must norma have their names changed? (I doubt this was mandatory by that council as much as I think this is Jill's work)

Anyone else noticed Vivian's tail in dragon form was chipped off?:p

[ryuuya]

lol Jill(alektra) and ange are the same came from a royal family with a royal blood but jill lost her ring

[foxbox360]

Someone knew it that Vivian is a DRAGON... and all humans are DRAGONs all along! What a twist, thank you Embryo for making a world where achieving true utopia is impossible!

I think Embryo should learn history that no matter how many times he create a society where humans can live in peace, there's always be a struggle and therefore not having a perfect human civilization. Damn that jerkass god!

I think the dragon humans came from another world and what to destroy the mana humans because they are using the dragons to create mana. I think this going to be a three way war: Mana humans, Dragon Humans, Ancient Human-Norma Alliances. I posted early this show will end with the whole world going up to flames and it will be glorious:D

[Benigmatica]

lol Jill(alektra) and ange are the same came from a royal family with a royal blood but jill lost her ring

You know, it would be nice if Jill's (or Alektra's) ring made into a choker. That way, she still be piloting the Vilkiss.

In fact, why does it have to put a mana crystal into a ring anyway? If someone like Jill who still wants to pilot a Ragna-Mail, she should have put her mana crystal somewhere in her body so she won't lose it!

[kobun]

So tusk is some kind of weird Norma ancient hybrid.. What does that mean?

I also wonder if embryo lives in t he dragon world, that's why he's a hologram..

[prototype_sky]

So all the genetically modified humans can turn into dragons, but a norma is more likely to turn into one :confused:. or did humans evolve from dragons in the first place and are now regressing to it because the gene pool was tampered with?

[Fellen]

Dat twist doe.

Now to be a bit more serious not only did this episode manage to clear things up, it also managed to surprise me and actually make me treat this show as something with a bit more depth. Now I did enjoy all of the previous episodes for the sheer amount of fun I had with them but a bit more depth to a series never hurts.

Also who else is hoping for DRAGONS and Normas to team up and annihilate humanity. Hopefully they start with Julio next episode.

[ImperialKnight]

So much got revealed this episode yet so much still has not been explained! SUSPENSE! Should I feel bad that I now like this series more than G-Reco?:heh:

.................

Turns out norma are artificial creations like the mana users (why only female though) and double as both scapegoats and expendables against the dragons (although they don't explain whether or not they can nullify manner too). Jill did not explain this all to Ange sooner because WHY? And why must norma have their names changed? (I doubt this was mandatory by that council as much as I think this is Jill's work)

Anyone else noticed Vivian's tail in dragon form was chipped off?:p

Didn't seemed like Jill was telling the whole story...even Embryo mentioned to her, "You never called me God before":eyebrow:

In any case looks like we have several factions here.

1. The mana empires
2. Normas led by Jill
3. Julio and his secretary are doing their own thing (He outright lied to the committee about opening a singularity and they had to take his word for it). Plus he jumped on the chance to "destroy and reset" right off the bat which makes me wonder if Embryo is manipulating him.
4. DRAGONs - Perhaps they are from another dimension where humans live in peace with such creatures.

It's possible that Embryo came from that DRAGON world and created the current world using the technology from the DRAGON world. He makes a point though that they "could destroy" the DRAGON world but the committee said that was unthinkable. We know now that they can open the singularity that brings DRAGONs into the world for harvesting so the Mana Empires are at war with the DRAGONs because of it.

I guess Julio will be the first to fall since he's leading an invasion of Arzenal.

I have a feeling though that when Jjll led the first revolt it was Embryo who came in and wiped them out. The brutality of the scene where Tusk's parents died seemed to make sense more for a man and not for Sala who's weapon literally vaporizes people and even Jill didn't recognize the Para-mail. The question of course is why did he let Jill live.

[MeisterBabylon]

I haven't been following Cross Ange for a while thanks to RL, but if all this is true, then the Girls und Panzer scriptwright is freaking talented to have made GuP, Ginga Majestic Prince and now this whack of a mecha series!

[Elder]

You are talking about Reiko Yoshida. She didn't write Cross Ange. The main story composer for Cross Ange is Tatsuhito Higuchi whose main claim to fame (or infamy) is being the backup writer and then later the main story composer for the 2nd half of Girl Who Leapt Through Time, a truly terrible show from Sunrise destroyed by executive meddling whose main writer quit half way into the series.

[Benigmatica]

I didn't see his name in the ANN website. I guess Tatsuhito Higuchi is not well-known...

In any case, I have a feeling that Embryo will bring Arzenal down should Julio failed to destroy the Normas. Of course, I was wondering whether Sala stopped that jerkass god or not?

[TheRealWinston]

Turns out norma are artificial creations like the mana users (why only female though)

Nope, Normas have a genetic mutation. That's why they cannot use mana and destroy it.

But I still don't understand why the Normas opaid and didn't stop fighting dragons?
And why refused Ange to join Libertus. Two episodes before, she said herself, that she wants to destroy the world.
And funny "evacuate the Normas", I see that they only want to kill them (A**holes).

[ImperialKnight]

Nope, Normas have a genetic mutation. That's why they cannot use mana and destroy it.

But I still don't understand why the Normas opaid and didn't stop fighting dragons?
And why refused Ange to join Libertus. Two episodes before, she said herself, that she wants to destroy the world.
And funny "evacuate the Normas", I see that they only want to kill them (A**holes).

Probably because the Dragons aren't exactly friendly to them to begin with so they're forced to fight regardless

[Elder]

And why refused Ange to join Libertus. Two episodes before, she said herself, that she wants to destroy the world.
And funny "evacuate the Normas", I see that they only want to kill them (A**holes).

It's not about the fact that she agrees or she doesn't agree. It's the fact that others (Jill in this instance) are telling her to do it because they believe it's the best.

[Hiss13]

So, the fact that Embryo was able to propose a 'destroy and reset' means that it is possible for him to have done it multiple times in the past. Hell, we already know he did it once with the implementation of Mana (which is more like PK). That could provide a semi-explanation for the multiple incarnations of the cast we saw in the psychedelic moment last episode.

[Benigmatica]

But remember this... Despite Embryo remaking the world time and time again, humans (no matter if they have mana or other powers) won't live together in peace.

Let's face it, at the end of the day, I could see Cross Ange ending the same way as Valvrave where humans are bastards and their inherent xenophobia and ignorant behavior won't reach an understanding between them and the Magus!

[DuelGundam2099]

This is being spearheaded by the guy that made the Cosmic Era Gundam timeline, I seriously doubt this will end up like VVV.
Nope, Normas have a genetic mutation. That's why they cannot use mana and destroy it.
I thought it was an intentional mutation.

[Benigmatica]

This is being spearheaded by the guy that made the Cosmic Era Gundam timeline, I seriously doubt this will end up like VVV.

I'm hoping that Cross Ange won't end up like Valvrave. But wait a minute, why are we getting serious on this mecha anime where it's just another promotion for Nana Mizuki?

[synx]

So what's up with Hilda's para-mail in the preview?

[ryuuya]

So what's up with Hilda's para-mail in the preview?


I feel like that is the vilkiss and ange find a way or a new song just pop on her head

[Ryuga]

I thought it was an intentional mutation.

Unintended, but Embryo had to make do with what he had, so he used the Norma as the sole target of discrimination.

I'm starting to understand why Sala questioned Ange about the song. The lyrics kind of describe what the DRAGONs have been doing so far. I had to daww at Vivian singing the song.

[DuelGundam2099]

it's just another promotion for Nana Mizuki
It really isn't, mainly because before watching this I have never heard of her.
I had to daww at Vivian singing the song.
Odd how I don't recall this part....

[Ryuga]

Well, less singing, more like warbling in her DRAGON form. It got Ange's attention and saved her life, good thing 'cause I like Vivian.

Again, Cross Ange continues to create more questions. Why are the royal rings the only thing capable of activating the Villkiss? Julio's pettiness and wanting to get the ring back makes some sense now but why entrust these rings that activate powerful weapons to people?

And it seems like for some reason, they don't want to, or can't, slay all the DRAGONs.

Next ep preview seems nuts. Embryo's really cool.

[~Yami~]

whoaaa.... I was stunned with this episode
so much revelation.. and it is gloriously crazy
I wonder how Vivian reverted back to her human form.. is it because Norma have ability to dispel that form or only Ange could do it
no surprise anymore about how Alektra handled Ange at first.. I think she has received same treatment before
meanwhile, Julio come to Arzenal.. YES! Time to kill him now

Embryo basically just an irresponsible god.. He has done all this mess and now using Julio to reset all his doing
Sala might be a Norma that chose to side with Dragons in order to protect them
what is more interesting is how Ange would take side after all these revelations

predicting the ending, I hope Ange could bring Dragons, Normas, and ancient people to fight against Embryo and Mana-users

as for Sylvia, is she really died? I hope not.. I want Ange to kill her

last comment, watching Cross Ange is like playing Artonelico..

[Gundam888]

I hope they just kill embryo

[Ryuga]

Well, at the very least, this answers why they can't just slap the Mana users for free. Like some suspected, there are higher powers involved, though Embryo's on a whole 'nother level. Oh yeah, his full Para-mail (most likely a Ragna-mail) shows up in the opening fully this time, as well as in the preview for the next ep. Like the colour scheme a lot more than Sala's.

[HandofFate]

wow. so much reveals.
the DRAGONS are HUMAN! DUNDUNDUN.

Also, a sealed world type of deal as well.
Didn't expect Jill to KNOW EVERYTHING. She only raped Ange to make her stronger. Take that rape complainers.

jeez. Wonder what the other dimension has to do with all this. A parallel world?
I was afraid Vivi was gonna get killed then turn back to human and everyone be like "OMG" So I was glad she made it out alive.

[Ryuga]

What Jill did to Ange in ep.1 didn't really do anything ultimately, it was the deaths of Coco and Miranda that set her on the path. Jill's ruthless and did it to make Ange quickly fall in and to gain someone who could activate the Villkiss, though yeah, she definitely wanted Ange to progress all along. She seemed to be a more decent person in her Para-mail riding days. She's maybe not quite on the level of some of the characters in this series doucheness-wise, but she's definitely an unsavoury character.

I like the fact that Ange told her to go to hell, but Jill's attitude was a bit flippant towards her refusal, considering she's been waiting for some time for a Norma of royal blood and a ring to enter Arzenal.

[HandofFate]

I thought it was a pretty good setup to her smiling at how Ange said she was fine with hunting DRAGONS for a living. And boom. You been hunting and killing humans all along.

[yuiichi9]

In the preview it looks like sala will fight against embryo. I wish jill dies before the series end and the dragons(locust lol) join the fight with ange against the mana users. Will ange make a live concert in order to call all the dragons in the world. Would salia joins ange in her concert and create a group of idols :p. Salia needs the book of darkness to wreak havoc against the mana users :p lol. Why ange isn't using bardiche to destroy the fleet that is going to arzenal lol.

[Nvis]

So does this mean Vivian is not a Norma?:confused:

-Embryo must be an ancient human since he created the Mana-humans. But he must be like hundreds of years old, does he have eternal life? Or he doesn't have a physical body anymore(using holograms)?

-Hope Julio bites the dust this time....

-Next ep: of course there's beam shields now.....and Vilkiss turned red(beam sword now?)?

[Psyco Diver]

So Ange basically has to abort Embryo? Am I the only one that saw that lol?

[ryuuya]

i hope julio die in the next episode and please change the machine gun of the vilkiss to a beam rilfe

[germanturkey]

half way through the show seems ripe for someone to die. later, Julio..

that's a pretty big twist. though not one we didn't see coming. it still doesn't explain the portals, or different sized dragons.

[risingstar3110]

Shit just got real.

F*ck those Mana users. This world really needed to be cleansed

[risingstar3110]

After calmed down my thought, i think DRAGONS people is a separate race. They are not Mana human or Norma. I think the reason why Vivian's dragon form lost her tail is because it was removed by Jill/others since birth so other Norma does not realise her origin. Notice how Sala(?) chracter design also got her tail. Maybe that's why Tusk has to take Vivian away next episode

That means the mana users really are at war against DRAGONS. And the Norma gonna be decisive factor. Hell yes!!

PS: hope everyone gonna be OK next episode, especially Hilda please

[SQA]

So, can we start to drop "Solyent Mana is (Dragon) people!" jokes now?

[Go0gleplex]

So, can we start to drop "Solyent Mana is (Dragon) people!" jokes now?

I did that several pages back already. lol

[Benigmatica]

Regarding Embryo, I was wondering if he'll pull a Rau le Crueset plan of eradicating everyone (including DRAGONs) and remake to world again to his image?

[ImperialKnight]

Regarding Embryo, I was wondering if he'll pull a Rau le Crueset plan of eradicating everyone (including DRAGONs) and remake to world again to his image?

I'm surprised nobody asked, "When you meant destroy and reset the world....what does that mean for us?":eyebrow:

[ryuuya]

We all need to put in our mind that ange will still use( and own the vilkiss) the vilkiss. So the upgrading of the vilkiss through singing ?

[Benigmatica]

Singing is not enough. What Vilkiss needs is a rebuild from the Ragna-Mail's frame to its weapons to combat Embryo!

[ryuuya]

Singing is not enough. What Vilkiss needs is a rebuild from the Ragna-Mail's frame to its weapons to combat Embryo!

true but i think ange needs also a rank up(no matter how troublesome she is). also making her a special officer since she can become a captain( she show leadership in Ho-oin Institute Iaria)

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

So if the small dragons are all people...what the heck are the giant ones? x_x

[Benigmatica]

Lemme guess... Organic, living Ragna-Mails? That would be awesome to ride if Ange has the guts to ride one!

[Psyco Diver]

Soo if she has to sing every time to give a boost or Vilkiss, does this mean its basically a SEED and Macross hybrid?

[Anh_Minh]

And a bit of Rideback, what with Nana Mizuki piloting a bike/robot and rebelling against the government.

[Sinestra]

So we have a guy who originally wanted to lead humanity to a higher state of non violence and prosperity. But ended up having a god complex because there was one little thing he couldn't control. No matter how much you meddle with genes the world will always find a way to balance itself. What Embryo has done is creative a society that is ignorant and cruel hes caused the exact thing he was originally trying to rid the world of.

The partys involved are Mana users, the ancient ones (looks to be mainly male) and the Norma (only female) and the last party are Dragons themselves. Who are in-fact people that humanity is at war with and they have been using the Norma to fight their battles for them. They were scared shitless when they thought they would have to fight themselves. Vivian was a dragon like we all guessed and it seems Anges song can revert her to human form also it seems Dragons revert to human form when they die. I am so glad Vivi didnt get killed cause that would have been a heartbreaker.

IT was not explained if the DRagons are a different species of human or one that created or something else entirely. What we have here is power struggle and the world is going to burn and be reset by Embryo because its not working the way he wants (what a DICK) Also, seem Villkiss has the power to fight god so to speak but it was suppose to have been destroyed. Those leaders of nations are all in on it and need to be purged.

Whats funny is none of them realize that a Dragon has infiltrated the Kingdom of Mizurugi. Since Dragons can look like humans it was easy for her to seduce and control Julio. Seems like the dragons might have agents scattered throughout the world. So maybe the Dragons have a plan in place that required her to because Julios guard seduce him, control him and make him open portals.

Now Ange has to decide for herself what side to take in this war.

[fr3@ky_g]

Just saw the new episode and all I could say about it is DAMN!!!

The dragons they were killing were humanoids. So what were those giant dragons then?

Poor Ange it really made her throw up to realize what she had actually killed.

[Sinestra]

Unintended, but Embryo had to make do with what he had, so he used the Norma as the sole target of discrimination.

I'm starting to understand why Sala questioned Ange about the song. The lyrics kind of describe what the DRAGONs have been doing so far. I had to daww at Vivian singing the song.

Its also explains why she was so attracted to the song and thought it was beautiful. The song has the power to control dragons just like Sala's song.

[Anh_Minh]

So we have a guy who originally wanted to lead humanity to a higher state of non violence and prosperity. But ended up having a god complex because there was one little thing he couldn't control. No matter how much you meddle with genes the world will always find a way to balance itself. What Embryo has done is creative a society that is ignorant and cruel hes caused the exact thing he was originally trying to rid the world of.

Well, he may consider that a partial success. Imagine a world where at any given time, 30% of the population, more or less a random sample, is taken up in war, crime, famine... And now imagine some guy has a way of turning that 30% in 5% who get the really, really short end. For the 95% who live in a post scarcity society, he may indeed look like a savior. Especially if they don't personally know any of the 5%.

[Ryuga]

Yeah Sinestra, the song has an effect on Dragons for some reason. I'm struggling with the revelation about Dragons to be honest haha, will obviously have to wait for more info on them. The Dragons can't be just Norma (come to think of it, we've never seen Vivian interact with Mana) because Riza can use Mana, except it's a red colour: http://i.imgur.com/shza8ym.jpg

Something that I noticed, but might not mean anything. Vivian's colour scheme matches the Scuna class Dragons. Riza's colour scheme matches one of the Dragons to some extent (it's burgundy and has a silverish-purple mane), and every single large Dragon has lines that glow red and their attacks create mostly red sigils. As mentioned above, Riza's Mana is also red.

I can kind of guess some things, but it's pointless. Aside from a few things, I've been pretty much wrong on everything so I'll just see what happens.

[AkitoW013]

So we have a guy who originally wanted to lead humanity to a higher state of non violence and prosperity. But ended up having a god complex because there was one little thing he couldn't control. No matter how much you meddle with genes the world will always find a way to balance itself. What Embryo has done is creative a society that is ignorant and cruel hes caused the exact thing he was originally trying to rid the world of.

The partys involved are Mana users, the ancient ones (looks to be mainly male) and the Norma (only female) and the last party are Dragons themselves. Who are in-fact people that humanity is at war with and they have been using the Norma to fight their battles for them. They were scared shitless when they thought they would have to fight themselves. Vivian was a dragon like we all guessed and it seems Anges song can revert her to human form also it seems Dragons revert to human form when they die. I am so glad Vivi didnt get killed cause that would have been a heartbreaker.

IT was not explained if the DRagons are a different species of human or one that created or something else entirely. What we have here is power struggle and the world is going to burn and be reset by Embryo because its not working the way he wants (what a DICK) Also, seem Villkiss has the power to fight god so to speak but it was suppose to have been destroyed. Those leaders of nations are all in on it and need to be purged.

Whats funny is none of them realize that a Dragon has infiltrated the Kingdom of Mizurugi. Since Dragons can look like humans it was easy for her to seduce and control Julio. Seems like the dragons might have agents scattered throughout the world. So maybe the Dragons have a plan in place that required her to because Julios guard seduce him, control him and make him open portals.

Now Ange has to decide for herself what side to take in this war.

I bet Embryo already knew that and even Riza is no more than a pawn in his game.

[BluePhirePB]

The Dragons being humans reminds me of how the squid things in Gargantia on the Verdurous Planet were human.

[Sinestra]

Well, he may consider that a partial success. Imagine a world where at any given time, 30% of the population, more or less a random sample, is taken up in war, crime, famine... And now imagine some guy has a way of turning that 30% in 5% who get the really, really short end. For the 95% who live in a post scarcity society, he may indeed look like a savior. Especially if they don't personally know any of the 5%.

I do see your point. Its that pesky the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. It just really sits badly with me because even if you have managed to solve majority of the worlds problems by making a very small percentage scapegoats you still breed a cycle of hate. Regardless the world always always finds a way to balance itself out even when humans meddle. Breeding a endless cycle of hate by keeping even a small few in hellish conditions will always backfire on you.

My main curiosity right now is the actually origins of the dragons. Are they humans that have evolved to become something of human, dragon hybrid. I fee like the real world may be the world the dragons are invading from. The world where our characters reside is the world that was created by Embryo and he created this world gave the people mana to keep them from becoming dragons.

Right now my gut feeling is telling me that Ange not only has the power to control dragons through song but she may also have the ability to become one as a matter of fact all Norma have the ability to become dragons just like Vivi.

But that doesn't explain Sala who i still believe is royalty along with Ange but from the Dragons side. The reason for the past memories when her and Ange met last episode was because Embryo has remade the world several times each time and certain characters basically are reincarnated (something else Embryo cant control) Embryo also knew Jill/Alektra very well that i didnt see coming.

[Psyco Diver]

I think Embryo is using the big DRAGONS to make Mana-humans, thats why they are battling the DRAGONS, they use that Mana tower to open a portal, norma kill them, then they are harvested for their mana

[Anh_Minh]

I do see your point. Its that pesky the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Or possibly the needs of me outweigh the needs of those guys I don't know. Fuck those guys.

It just really sits badly with me because even if you have managed to solve majority of the worlds problems by making a very small percentage scapegoats you still breed a cycle of hate.
Yes, but it's the hatred of a downtrodden, helpless 5% against a united 95%, rather than the normal free for all with perpetually shifting equilibriums.

Regardless the world always always finds a way to balance itself out even when humans meddle. Breeding a endless cycle of hate by keeping even a small few in hellish conditions will always backfire on you.


What, you think that whatever we do, the world is somehow always fair? That injustice is always redressed, that no crime goes unpunished? How optimistic. Well, it may work that way in fiction.

[MgMaster]

You know how the story goes. "The monster was human all along."

It kind of felt like Jill was addressing us viewers rather than the girls when she said that, or both anyway.

Loved Ange's refusal to join Libertus, followed by the her "Go to hell bitch!" towards Jill. She'll probably still do it, maybe out of a lack of reasonable options right now, but I see her doing it grudgingly as it's not in her nature to succumb to others. Or well, at least that's what I'm hoping because as much as I like this show, some moral gray lines with Angelise-sama in the middle of it all would be just what the doctor ordered to elevate it even further.

[Ryuga]

Yeah, it was kind of fourth wall-ish, like she knows the audience has seen that kind of twist many times before so I chuckled when Jill said that. The look on her face looking extra smug due to the animation hiccups made it funnier, she's such an arse.

Yeah, Ange doesn't particularly have a lot of options right now. I now realise Jill wasn't worried about Ange refusing Libertus because Tusk informed her that Julio and his merry men were coming to wreck up the place. Ange's gonna have to fight whether she likes it or not and she'll scuff with Embryo anyway.

And ah, what the hell, I can't help but play the guessing game lol. I'll put it in spoilers so people can just ignore it.

1) The DRAGONs are humans that exist outside of Embryo's system and have found a way to survive Embryo's constant resetting of worlds through turning into DRAGONs.

2) The DRAGONs are simply a mutation or evolution. They're harvesting DRAGONs for possible cures, or to make inhibitors. Or like said above, they're sources of Mana/something else.

3) Embryo's been wiping out other species on multiple planets, then colonising them. The DRAGONS just want their planet back. But the way Jill was telling the story, it made it seem like all this has been happening on the same planet, just in different dimensions so the theory's unlikely.

4) Sala's a former royal member who somehow found her way into the dimension. That'd explain why she's got such a powerful Para-mail.

5) The DRAGONs are vital in the creation, use and sustaining of dimensions. Or they were originally prototype/experimental humans who were supposed to survive constant dimensional resets but were discarded. They've got something to do with dimensions at the very least.

6) The DRAGONs are prototype weapons.

Mix and match some of these theories together, it might just amount to something lol. Oh, and if they had taken Ange's ring away from her before they threw her into Arzenal, they wouldn't be in this mess would they lol? But then we wouldn't have a series.

[Sinestra]

[QUOTE]Or possibly the needs of me outweigh the needs of those guys I don't know. Fuck those guys.
I still think Embroyo is a dick plus his cocky laugh made me want to punch him in the throat.


Yes, but it's the hatred of a downtrodden, helpless 5% against a united 95%, rather than the normal free for all with perpetually shifting equilibriums.

Even a very few downtrodden can quickly turn into millions especially when find a way for others to sympathize with your cause. The numbers game does not always ensure victory or that you will keep a particular demographic down. History is littered with such cases. At worst they just form a rebellion and become an irritation. Till you get too comfortable and they coming knocking on your door.

What, you think that whatever we do, the world is somehow always fair? That injustice is always redressed, that no crime goes unpunished? How optimistic. Well, it may work that way in fiction.
Its not the world is fair, its that world eventually balances itself one way or another, and its not always in a good way. Theres always that unknown factor and i just happen to believe that nature/world balancing itself out. In this case a race of super humans were created to use mana but an irregularity in the form of Norma occurred. Too much of anything on the scale causes its to lean to one side and tip over. No good without evil and no evil without good.

[Rokumonsen]

Finally, got the time to watch the episode. Really like the revelations here. All that's left are the DRAGON's origin story...

Damn you Fukuda, are you trying to rehash the Battle of ORB next episode?

[Anh_Minh]

I still think Embroyo is a dick plus his cocky laugh made me want to punch him in the throat.
Oh, he's certainly a dick. My point is, even if people knew what really buys their luxurious lives, they'd still support the system. Because they wouldn't want to give it up for strangers. They'd persuade themselves the Norma deserve it. Oh, wait, they already did. Or maybe they just wouldn't think about it, just like I don't think about the sweatshop employees that made my clothes.

So, yeah, he's a dick. So is nearly everyone.


Even a very few downtrodden can quickly turn into millions especially when find a way for others to sympathize with your cause.
Your cause to have them die of war and poverty?

The numbers game does not always ensure victory or that you will keep a particular demographic down. History is littered with such cases.
Like what?

At worst they just form a rebellion and become an irritation. Till you get too comfortable and they coming knocking on your door.
Oh, they're not that comfortable. They have a rather large police force which, as far as we know, has no other job but to catch Normas and send them to Arzenal so they can be brainwashed into dying for the "humans".


Its not the world is fair, its that world eventually balances itself one way or another, and its not always in a good way. Theres always that unknown factor and i just happen to believe that nature/world balancing itself out. In this case a race of super humans were created to use mana but an irregularity in the form of Norma occurred. Too much of anything on the scale causes its to lean to one side and tip over. No good without evil and no evil without good.

In this case, "balance" is a view of the mind. As are good and evil. You think it's "unbalanced" to have Norma exploited and victimized because you don't like it. I don't like it either, but I don't think the world would care one way or another any more than it cares when animals kill themselves caring for a parasite they believe is their queen, or child or whatever.

[Wingsaber]

Is this show going on hiatus after the next episode?

[DuelGundam2099]

No new episode this week for anything because of Christmas.

[Ryuga]

I'm assuming they'll be continuing after Christmas, no hiatus/break.

Seen quite a few complaints that Ange's character in this episode's contradicts with her wanting to "destroy the world" 2 episodes ago and following orders throughout the series. I see what they mean, though it's likely Ange was just talking smack with Hilda and venting out frustrations. If there was some moments showing Ange contemplating what she said, and maybe her being more antagonistic towards Jill throughout the series, people could've swallowed her refusing to go through with Libertus more easily. According to some people translating Fukada's tweets, he specifically mentioned he's been writing recent episodes (or just this one) so there are 2+ writers at the helm? Could explain some inconsistencies but I dunno.

I'd argue that Ange hasn't really been following orders much directly, she's just been killing DRAGONs for money and food. She's stolen kills, rebelled against Emma/Salia, and made 2 attempts to desert as well as other things.

[Elder]

. According to some people translating Fukada's tweets, he specifically mentioned he's been writing recent episodes (or just this one) so there are 2+ writers at the helm? Could explain some inconsistencies but I dunno.


Fukuda has said he has storyboarded a good majority of the second half of Cross Ange including I think the most recent episode. That has nothing to do with writing the actual episodes, he handles the animation side of the things. He can certainly influence the creative process and suggest ideas and concepts (it is his right), but he hasn't gone to the point of writing the actual scripts himself.

[Ryuga]

Thanks for the correction, I was wrong about that, they did actually say storyboarding instead.

[Miraluka]

http://blog-imgs-64.fc2.com/y/a/r/yaraon/GmBLOR4.jpg

[risingstar3110]

Does Cross Ange sell well so far? Guys?

[MeisterBabylon]

Everything can be fixed in the bluray. :heh:

[Nvis]

Replaced red blood with pink blood(Danganronpa-style)?

[Golos]

http://abload.de/img/cabdcover2wru9r.jpg http://abload.de/img/cabdcoveralternate2j3u3z.jpg

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

http://abload.de/img/cabdcover2wru9r.jpg http://abload.de/img/cabdcoveralternate2j3u3z.jpg

Salia! :love:

Now we must have a Hilda one, then one with both!

[Miraluka]

http://abload.de/img/cabdcover2wru9r.jpg http://abload.de/img/cabdcoveralternate2j3u3z.jpg

What about the first?

[Top Sergeant]

What about the first?

I'm gonna guess the mugshot of Ange holding her name board, much as Salia is doing there.

[IceHism]

The machine is drawn extra cool on the cover. Would be nice if it looked like that in the show.

[synx]

So they decensored Coco's death scene, but replaced the red blood with pink.

SMH

1 step forward, 2 steps backward Fukuda.

[choopo]

Does Cross Ange sell well so far? Guys?

sell like pancake

will we get new OP and ED next week ? waiting Nana and Takahashi Yoko new song

[Miraluka]

It's because Nana.

[Rokumonsen]

It's because Nana.

Nana is God.
Nana is Love.
Nana is Life.

...or so they say. :p

[Benigmatica]

http://blog-imgs-64.fc2.com/y/a/r/yaraon/GmBLOR4.jpg


This is BS! Why do you have to show us these scene in semi-uncensored form, Fukuda!?

Anyway, I hope the next episode will air on Dec. 28!

[KleenexGhost]

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/pictures/l/08/09/KIXA-90468.jpg?v=1First Blu-Ray cover

[DuelGundam2099]

Not using paramails or dragons on the cover? Lame. I am curious about the commentary for that cavity search scene.

[MeisterBabylon]

Nana is God.
Nana is Love.
Nana is Life.

...or so they say. :p

It's truth.

[choopo]

xmass at sunrise

http://i.imgur.com/SCnEAU9.jpg