Fate/stay night UBW TV - Episode 2 Discussion / Poll [Archive]

Klashikari

2014-10-18, 15:06

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mirakura

2014-10-18, 15:14

Finally!

https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t31.0-8/10658667_720384238010135_5524166753970187555_o.jpg

Rin's face is priceless XD

HtwoN

2014-10-18, 15:22

Finally!

https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t31.0-8/10658667_720384238010135_5524166753970187555_o.jpg

Rin's face is priceless XD

Her bitchy face. Juts perfect. :D

I'm SOOO glad that they fixed her nose. It doesn't look weird anymore.

Also, that Rin booty. :cool:. Thank you Ufotable.

Kirei's voice is as impressive as always. Although I knew exactly what he was going to say, I don't feel bored.

The episode also gives us more insight into Shirou's character. Really great.

10/10 for this episode. Rejoice!!

mirakura

2014-10-18, 15:33

Her bitchy face. Juts perfect. :D

I'm SOOO glad that they fixed her nose. It doesn't look weird anymore.

Also, that Rin booty. :cool:. Thank you Ufotable.

Kirei's voice is as impressive as always. Although I knew exactly what he was going to say, I don't feel bored.

The episode also gives us more insight into Shirou's character. Really great.

10/10 for this episode. Rejoice!!

Hah, enlighten the fans with TOSAKASS.

Verrueckter

2014-10-18, 15:46

Hah, enlighten the fans with TOSAKASS.

Ask and you shall receive.
https://31.media.tumblr.com/852e5d0141b3d57da8d4051fd860ecbc/tumblr_ndnferZr981slv5gyo2_500.gif

mirakura

2014-10-18, 15:53

ask and you shall receive.
https://31.media.tumblr.com/852e5d0141b3d57da8d4051fd860ecbc/tumblr_ndnferzr981slv5gyo2_500.gif

GLORIOUS! xD

Amarantine

2014-10-18, 16:08

Don't tell me the entire thread is going to be about Rin's butt and Kirei walking in circles. :eyespin:

Anyway, this episode wasn't as good as the first two, but still enjoyable. Of course, for someone already plenty familiar with the source material (and its universe in general), it's natural that an infodump episode like this wouldn't be particularly exciting. Still, they did what they could to keep the scene interesting in terms of visuals, and showing GARcher standing guard on top of the church roof was a pretty cool detail.

I liked the music a lot in the first episode, while in the second one I felt there was too little of it, and now in this one I felt there was too much, particularly in church scene where they kept playing a new track right after the previous one concluded, instead of letting an eerie silence settle in every now and then (it would've gone well with that ominous dark blue lighting that they couldn't resist borrowing from Fate/Zero). Not only that, the tracks felt a little uninspired and I wish they wouldn't reuse that remix from F/Z so often.

Thankfully though, the music for Berserker's entrance was a lot better, and his appearance certainly got me hyped for the next episode.

Verrueckter

2014-10-18, 16:15

Don't tell me the entire thread is going to be about Rin's butt and Kirei walking in circles. :eyespin:

You mean this? Also, are you implying that Rin's butt isn't relevant?

http://i.imgur.com/NkfP3L5.gif

Pablete

2014-10-18, 16:21

Kirei must have developed a complex because of that.

Is it me, or it seemed Kirei almost climaxed when he heard "Emiya? xD

Damn, the "yorokobe shonen" caught me off guard despite waiting for it a week.

AntonKutovoi

2014-10-18, 16:40

You mean this? Also, are you implying that Rin's butt isn't relevant?

http://i.imgur.com/NkfP3L5.gif

I guess he wanted Rin to join the circling.

Sound of Azure

2014-10-18, 16:42

To be fair, it's probably a rectangle. :heh::D

Nayrael

2014-10-18, 16:49

I guess he wanted Rin to join the circling.

And he will never forgive Rin for not joining him :mad:

Pablete

2014-10-18, 16:54

I would have done the same.

But it's his fault too for mot explaining her the ritual beforehand.

Nayrael

2014-10-18, 16:55

I would have done the same.

But it's his fault too for mot explaining her the ritual beforehand.

Lets continue this in the comparison tread least the mods get grumpy for talking about it too long :heh:

White Manju Bun

2014-10-18, 16:56

You mean this? Also, are you implying that Rin's butt isn't relevant?

http://i.imgur.com/NkfP3L5.gif

Fantastic.

Loremaster

2014-10-18, 16:57

I really enjoy the small similarities to Fate Zero scenes. It makes this show so much better and shows very well that this story does indeed come after fate zero. Not many anime sequels can really pull that off to relate to the past in such a way.

Levani

2014-10-18, 17:09

Prediction reaction that I'm going to see in this thread soon : Episode was boring because there weren't any fights.

Good episode, great exposition, didn't dump it on you like the VN.

Hmm....

2014-10-18, 17:09

http://i.imgur.com/NkfP3L5.gif
This is the most annoying yet glorious scene in both FZ and FSN so far.

AntonKutovoi

2014-10-18, 17:10

I must post this here
http://i.imgur.com/IHqKNf4.gif

HtwoN

2014-10-18, 17:11

Prediction reaction that I'm going to see in this thread soon : Episode was boring because there weren't any fights.

We had the ultimate fanservice instead. So it doesn't matter. :D

I must post this here
http://i.imgur.com/IHqKNf4.gif

Hmm, what is the meaning?

AntonKutovoi

2014-10-18, 17:14

We had the ultimate fanservice instead. So it doesn't matter. :D

Hmm, what is the meaning?

Why, don't you want to post all Rin's facial expressions? Don't tell me you never had this feeling :p

mirakura

2014-10-18, 17:14

I must post this here
http://i.imgur.com/IHqKNf4.gif

Lol, dat Rin smirk XDD Shirou's so cute when teased~~

HtwoN

2014-10-18, 17:21

Why, don't you want to post all Rin's facial expressions? Don't tell me you never had this feeling :p

I want to. But in this scene, she is supposed to be looked from afar. Zooming in makes the quality so bad.

This:

http://i.imgur.com/QhjnUmS.png

is more glorious. :D

Verrueckter

2014-10-18, 17:22

I like where this thread is going.

On a slightly more on topic note:
Rin's freak out was epic.
I thought the conversation between Kirei and Shirou was really well done.
The Berser-car build up has me pumped for next week.

Solid episode.

For now I leave you with more of Rin's butt:
http://i.imgur.com/wtPckIh.jpg

mirakura

2014-10-18, 17:27

The full glory!

http://i.imgur.com/vWRNJWn.gif

HtwoN

2014-10-18, 17:35

The full glory!

http://i.imgur.com/vWRNJWn.gif

I could have been more perfect with Zettai Ryouiki. :(

mirakura

2014-10-18, 17:45

I could have been more perfect with Zettai Ryouiki. :(

I think that would be overkill XD

Eragon

2014-10-18, 17:52

And here come the tropes. Meh, whatever. Kirei, Current-Illya, Lancer and Saber need more screen time if Rin is gonna be like this. Or she just needs to not be around that pest.

Lorhand

2014-10-18, 18:06

And here come the tropes. Meh, whatever. Kirei, Current-Illya, Lancer and Saber need more screen time if Rin is gonna be like this. Or she just needs to not be around that pest.
Not gonna happen. Drown in Shirou's gloriousness and repent.

Nayrael

2014-10-18, 18:10

Accept Emiya Shirou as your Hero and Protector!
And a Cook if you are especially good to him ;P

White Manju Bun

2014-10-18, 18:12

Prediction reaction that I'm going to see in this thread soon : Episode was boring because there weren't any fights.

While Fate series episodes don't always have fighting, I rarely find them boring.

How many epis of F/Z were just Kirei and Gil talking? :heh:

Wandering Soul

2014-10-18, 18:17

Not much to say since it was mostly exposition most of us are already familiar with. But it was pulled off well and the build up to the final scene was good.

Rin's reaction to Shirou's compliment was great.

Om Nerabdator

2014-10-18, 18:18

http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=3848&pictureid=54592

I just had to!!!!!!! you guys understand right!?

Jerseykid

2014-10-18, 19:11

Sasuke shirou, i never even realized it till I got to hear him talk this much

GreyZone

2014-10-18, 19:19

And here come the tropes. Meh, whatever. Kirei, Current-Illya, Lancer and Saber need more screen time if Rin is gonna be like this. Or she just needs to not be around that pest.

There are still people considering that atricious fanfiction as (personal) canon?

Well to be fair, the people defending said atricious fanfiction are the real "bad guys". In that case people getting fooled by the fanfiction are simply unlucky I guess, to make it sound more optimistic.

Pablete

2014-10-18, 19:33

What the hell are you talking about guys?

rladls2121

2014-10-18, 19:50

Kuh, Iliya?!

Iron Maw

2014-10-18, 20:32

I thought this was a bit of a step down from the two previous weeks myself.

Aside from giving Shirou some motivation to participate in the HGW, the rest of episode was pretty much just reiterated exposition. Something I'm even less inclined to listen to since I'm already aware of all of it, regardless of it's necessity. Though I did enjoy ufotable subtly poking fun at themselves while simultaneously doing a callback to F/Z with having Kirei walking around the church exposing to Shirou at the same time. :heh:

At least the tutorial is over, and the real thing starts now... at an even faster pace then I expected. ;)

relentlessflame

2014-10-18, 20:36

Just to remind everyone: we haves image tags specifically for placing images in. The syntax is the same as spoilers, just change [ spoiler ] to [ images ]. Please use that, and don't abuse spoiler tags for things that aren't spoilers. (And by the way, we have a [ spoil ] tag for images that are spoilers. We prefer everyone use this if they can.)

MCAL

2014-10-18, 20:48

To be honest I could have done without the more exaggerated reaction from Rin when lamenting she couldn't have Saber. Her reaction was much more subdued in the VN. Luckily it wasn't awful or anything, like I was fearing.

Other than that I have once again no complaints. Its a sign of good direction and pacing that a full exposition episode could last 10 minutes. And the very end (With that epic OST) was just icing on the cake. Next episode Fate finally diverges into UBW.

GreyZone

2014-10-18, 20:51

(And by the way, we have a [ spoil ] tag for images that are spoilers. We prefer everyone use this if they can.)

That tag does not work for me.

HtwoN

2014-10-18, 21:01

Next episode Fate finally diverges into UBW.

Actually it diverged at the end of episode 1 already... :heh:

MCAL

2014-10-18, 21:03

Actually it diverged at the end of episode 1 already... :heh:Ah right. Should have said fully. :)

FlareKnight

2014-10-18, 21:16

Illya has arrived and ready to unleash the terror :heh:.

But yeah, not the greatest episode because they had to dump a lot of info. But still, some good moments here and there.

Rising Dragon

2014-10-18, 21:37

Well, a story can't always be constant action.

Craxuan

2014-10-18, 21:47

Ah man, that's so cool! So cool!

Thess

2014-10-18, 22:23

Damn, I loved how they designed and characterized Kirei so far. :love: The episode was slow but it's expected as infodump one.

Pablete

2014-10-18, 22:26

http://i.imgur.com/kbSO0A5.gif

Rev Okkin

2014-10-18, 22:35

This is most certainly a better infodump than what FZ had.

I have no complaints. Sure, it's an infodump but the shots used were on point and relevant. Kirei's movement of walking around as he explained the HGW to Shirou is very much like a predator encircling his prey as it should be.
Musicwise, it's more prominent here and while not memorable, it played its role of highlighting certain emotions that the characters had (e.g. Shirou's reaction to the link of the fire and HGW was well complemented with highstrung somber strings). The dubstep at the end came out of the left field but I find it bearable.

I watched this on fullscreen and never in the middle of the episode had I felt the need to see how long until the end of the episode. Clearly, I enjoyed this even as an infodump episode and it shows that even infodumps can be presented in an engaging manner.

The "Yorokobe" at the end seemed to portray something else. Sure it wasn't the jumpscare-crap-that-disturbs-me-hella-lot Yorokobe, but this Yorokobe felt more somber and symbolic as it was said outside of the church and there was a pan up of the praying Mary statue.
Basically I think they're playing it off as a last remark of Kirei which is later blown up into a major theme. I am sorta expecting Shirou having momentary flashbacks to it and in each flashback, it slowly is changed into a menacing message,

Raviel

2014-10-18, 22:49

Kirei confirmed to have only Rank C in "walking in circles while giving exposition" :heh:

HandofFate

2014-10-18, 23:21

They did the walking in circles like that did in Fate/Zero lol

Eragon

2014-10-18, 23:49

There are still people considering that atricious fanfiction as (personal) canon?

Well to be fair, the people defending said atricious fanfiction are the real "bad guys". In that case people getting fooled by the fanfiction are simply unlucky I guess, to make it sound more optimistic.

http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/what-the-hell-are-you-talking-about-gif.gif

you drunk son :p

Esclair

2014-10-19, 00:17

Totally sucks that we're back to 20 minute episodes, especially with the cliffhanger we're left on this time.

Ernietheracefan

2014-10-19, 00:58

Illya has arrived and ready to unleash the terror :heh:.

Imagine if she wreaking havoc alongside Berser-car with Prisma Illya outfit..??:heh:

zero7090

2014-10-19, 02:23

So we have subtle fanservice.

*sign* *unzip*

Stanfoo

2014-10-19, 03:22

So the original scene(s) for this ep that they mentioned on twitter is the dialogue between Shirou and Saber after leaving the church. I like it! If there were more, do point them out.

EroKing

2014-10-19, 07:44

Can't wait for next week, I hope they put some epic music in the Berserker fight.

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Lexxus

2014-10-19, 08:06

10/10. Would tap Rin's ass

Newhope

2014-10-19, 08:20

MEH Fate series never did anything for me so dropped for now.

GreyZone

2014-10-19, 08:42

http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/what-the-hell-are-you-talking-about-gif.gif

you drunk son :p

Did you read the VN?

Theminimanx

2014-10-19, 09:26

Did you read the VN?
I did, and I still have no idea what you're talking about, because nobody knows what atrocious fanfaction you meant.

FlareKnight

2014-10-19, 09:30

Imagine if she wreaking havoc alongside Berser-car with Prisma Illya outfit..??:heh:That would be good laughs as well :).

Kanon

2014-10-19, 09:32

To be honest I could have done without the more exaggerated reaction from Rin when lamenting she couldn't have Saber. Her reaction was much more subdued in the VN. Luckily it wasn't awful or anything, like I was fearing.

They seem to be trying to make Rin more moe in this adaptation. I've been noticing it since episode 0. Saber as well, I suppose. She's a lot more cheerful than she's supposed to be. She shouldn't be smiling this much, or at all even.

GreyZone

2014-10-19, 09:44

I did, and I still have no idea what you're talking about, because nobody knows what atrocious fanfaction you meant.

Do I really have to spell out that I am talking about DEEN's so-called "adaptions" here, whose existence are even denied by the VN creators themselves?

DEEN even managed to get people to carry over their pre-conceptions into an adaption made by another studio 8 years later! I have never heard of an anime managing to do such a thing. And the damage is so bad that the pre-conceptions are even overwriting what the people see with their own eyes in the current ufotable UBW adaption.

And even with that there are still people around trying to defend the DEEN versions out of nostalgia, or because they are either Saber fans or Saber shippers.

Good thing though, those people only seem to be in the minority. I have already seen a lot of comments of people that were able to get cured from the DEEN poisoning.

mirakura

2014-10-19, 09:47

They seem to be trying to make Rin more moe in this adaptation. I've been noticing it since episode 0. Saber as well, I suppose. She's a lot more cheerful than she's supposed to be. She shouldn't be smiling this much, or at all even.

It's so they keep her in the 'friend-zone'.
She's only smiled twice so far. I don't think that's too much. Any one would know a smile makes you seem more friendly anyway ;) Saber is moe...

Ernietheracefan

2014-10-19, 09:47

That would be good laughs as well :).

Kaleido Ruby Rin & Prisma Illya ufotable version, anyone..? :heh:

Make that happen..!!

quigonkenny

2014-10-19, 10:04

Do I really have to spell out that I am talking about DEEN's so-called "adaptions" here, whose existence are even denied by the VN creators themselves?

DEEN even managed to get people to carry over their pre-conceptions into an adaption made by another studio 8 years later! I have never heard of an anime managing to do such a thing. And the damage is so bad that the pre-conceptions are even overwriting what the people see with their own eyes in the current ufotable UBW adaption.

And even with that there are still people around trying to defend the DEEN versions out of nostalgia, or because they are either Saber fans or Saber shippers.

Good thing though, those people only seem to be in the minority. I have already seen a lot of comments of people that were able to get cured from the DEEN poisoning.
Oh, get over it. First off, there are plenty of people who hated Shirou simply because of the VN. They didn't need any help from DEEN on that. Second, at this point, people are more "poisoned" by Prisma Illya than the DEEN adaptation (including ufotable themselves, if UBW!Rin's very Prisma!Rin reaction this episode is any sign). Anime viewers have ludicrously short attention spans. And third, the post you initially responded to was an obvious troll post. Maybe if you didn't wear a signature that basically screams "Troll me with something Shirou-related! I will overreact!", you wouldn't have this problem...

TheForsaken

2014-10-19, 11:27

Do I really have to spell out that I am talking about DEEN's so-called "adaptions" here, whose existence are even denied by the VN creators themselves?
Doubt it, since the DEEN anime series is what makes them popular in the first place.

Nayrael

2014-10-19, 11:33

Doubt it, since the DEEN anime series is what makes them popular in the first place.

It is a fact actually: Typemoon has started to literally avoid any mention of Deen's products (one of them being a product timeline IIRC, which interestingly did not include neither of the Deenimes)

relentlessflame

2014-10-19, 12:26

That tag does not work for me.

You must use a label, as is the rule anyway.

It works

mirakura

2014-10-19, 12:26

It is a fact actually: Typemoon has started to literally avoid any mention of Deen's products (one of them being a product timeline IIRC, which interestingly did not include neither of the Deenimes)

Yeah, it was hilarious.

relentlessflame

2014-10-19, 12:39

Can we not get into off-topic bashing of the old anime here? If you're going to do a comparison, it must be on-topic and relevant to the actual episode. Not just random blithering about how the old anime sucked, is out-of-canon/"dark history" or whatever else. Please keep talking about the actual episode.

Levani

2014-10-19, 14:04

Can someone tell me what's up with those jewels? Didn't Archer bring it to Rin? How does Shirou have it?

Nayrael

2014-10-19, 14:10

Can someone tell me what's up with those jewels? Didn't Archer bring it to Rin? How does Shirou have it?

It is not an error or plot-hole, if that's what you were worrying about. You will get your answer in due time.

~Yami~

2014-10-19, 15:17

well.. watching this episode after watching Fate/Zero really give you a chill...
the talk about "weak hero", slight smile in Kirei's face after hearing "Emiya" name, slight surprise in Saber's face after seeing church and hearing "Emiya" name....
wow! And Emiya is able to handle Tohsaka with smooth-talk!
and lastly, it is ILLYA!! egh! I always remember her character in Fate/Kaleid which made me forget her original character and attitude...

I'm really glad that Ufotable chose UBW to be animated after Fate/Zero... you could really feel the continuation of the story.. as Rin's fans, Ufotable has brought a joyful moment for me.. I'm going to enjoy this ride no matter how dark it is going to be in upcoming episode

Dengar

2014-10-19, 15:31

I can sort of understand people being weirded out by Saber smiling so much, but Saber also smiled in Zero when the situation called for it.

You know, like whenever she interacts with Irisviel. Or Lancer. She's actually been quite emotional throughout Zero.

People being weirded out by Rin's smiling is a bit more puzzling. I've read the VN. She's very much been one huge troll in that. Maybe they played up that aspect a bit, but she is actually quite playful.

mirakura

2014-10-19, 15:37

HtwoN

2014-10-19, 15:44

Pablete

2014-10-19, 18:07

Kaleido Ruby Rin & Prisma Illya ufotable version, anyone..? :heh:

Make that happen..!!

And then... a wild Luvia appears.

Darthtabby

2014-10-19, 18:44

I rather enjoyed the first two episodes but this one was rather exposition heavy. Hopefully that's not a sign of things to come. I know this is based on a very long VN but hopefully that won't affect the pacing too much. (I haven't played FS/N specifically, but I've played two VNs that are considered pinnacles of the genre and I remember thinking "how much more freaking text do I have to click through." :heh:)

quigonkenny

2014-10-19, 21:57

Can someone tell me what's up with those jewels? Didn't Archer bring it to Rin? How does Shirou have it?
This is a no-spoilers thread. That means that those of us who know stuff aren't just limited in our comments on each individual episode, we are also limited in what questions we can answer. If you want something that was in the episode clarified, we can usually answer that, but generally any question that starts with "What's up with...?" is not going to be able to be answered here. You can try the spoiler thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=128541), but don't get upset if learning stuff before you're supposed to ruins your experience...

miroku2192

2014-10-19, 22:05

Thess

2014-10-19, 22:13

So I recall watching the Fate Stay Night TV series a LONG time ago, and vaguely remember the storyline / scenes.

Does anyone know if this is the exact retelling of that same series? I saw someone mention "different routes", etc. Was just wondering if I should bother watching this / wait around for it, or if re-watching the old series would spoil anything for me for this current series.

Thanks!

It's more similar to the 2010 movie (same route) but it'll have well, more details and development.

The upcoming movie(s), Heaven's Feel, was the route that was never animated. :)

Rising Dragon

2014-10-19, 22:13

So I recall watching the Fate Stay Night TV series a LONG time ago, and vaguely remember the storyline / scenes.

Does anyone know if this is the exact retelling of that same series? I saw someone mention "different routes", etc. Was just wondering if I should bother watching this / wait around for it, or if re-watching the old series would spoil anything for me for this current series.

Thanks!

It's not an exact retelling. Fate/stay night by DEEN was based off of the visual novel, Fate/stay night, which had three specific routes. For the most part, the DEEN anime followed the first route, Fate. This anime follows the second route, Unlimited Blade Works. Radically different story.

mirakura

2014-10-20, 00:58

To add to your points, I actually really like the scene when they were walking down the street. Saber kept watchful eyes on Shirou as if he was an endangered animal.

Maybe she was wondering why this Emiya was so different. :D

You know how those Emiyas are. Saber simply hasn't seen that type of animal before :heh:

Levani

2014-10-20, 02:30

This is a no-spoilers thread. That means that those of us who know stuff aren't just limited in our comments on each individual episode, we are also limited in what questions we can answer. If you want something that was in the episode clarified, we can usually answer that, but generally any question that starts with "What's up with...?" is not going to be able to be answered here. You can try the spoiler thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=128541), but don't get upset if learning stuff before you're supposed to ruins your experience...

If the show will answer it for me then I won't ask obviously, I just thought there might a continuity error.

Irenesharda

2014-10-20, 03:06

A really good episode that helped explain a lot to us newbies. I'm liking Shiro and Rin more and more, and I'm beginning to understand this whole Holy Grail thing. The priest guy is interesting. He seems like just an expository mouthpiece right now but I'm guessing he becomes more important later.

whitecloud

2014-10-20, 04:35

oohh..kuro ilya is here, with berserker....bad news for shirou eh?

if only the one there is the other ilya from prisma, maybe the holy grail war would be won much easier...

cupumanager

2014-10-20, 08:47

Lorhand

2014-10-20, 09:46

oohh..kuro ilya is here, with berserker....bad news for shirou eh?

if only the one there is the other ilya from prisma, maybe the holy grail war would be won much easier...

So be it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzWTxPRIAAA0Q9v.jpg

Dengar

2014-10-20, 10:03

I'm so happy seeing a newbie in this forum...gives a new perspective.
Anywhere else spoilers are flung left and right.

What's especially refreshing is a newbie who actually doesn't ask questions that cause me to cringe because it takes a LOT of energy to NOT answer these questions.

That said, I hope all the newbies learn to love the franchise as much as I do. :P

Polarpew

2014-10-20, 13:31

Can someone tell me what's up with those jewels? Didn't Archer bring it to Rin? How does Shirou have it?

To those of us who know, or dont know, can't tell ya, or even give you a speculation cuz its a spoiler, which is an answer in itself. Go to the other thread for any questions pertaining to the plot. These episode threads is apparently only for episode appreciation and posting pictures of Tohsaka's ass. no episode/ plot comments allowed since this is an anime adaptation based on a extremely well known visual novel and not a original anime where we can get away with speculations, hints, etc. without the admins getting annoyed

R.LocK

2014-10-20, 13:34

Visual Novel.

Klashikari

2014-10-20, 13:35

no episode/ plot comments allowed since this is such an anime adaptation based on a extremely well known light novel and not a original anime where we can get away with speculations, hints, etc. without the admins getting annoyedNice wisecrack, except that not everyone has read the source material (which is a Visual Novel, not a light novel btw), and that we ask original material readers not to spoil people, be it with external material or pretenses.

If people want hints/spoilers, that's their choice and problem and they can always do themselves a favor and check the specific threads or use PM for that.

Rev Okkin

2014-10-20, 13:43

Updates from ufotable Facebook page:

This episode in BD will have extended scenes like Rin fixing Shirou's window and other stuff.
The other stuff is probably the Church conversation extended.

Theminimanx

2014-10-20, 13:50

HtwoN

2014-10-20, 13:58

I'm very cautious about adding extra scenes to blu-ray releases. If it's like LoTR, where the scenes don't add much but are nice for fans, great. But if they keep certain essential scenes for the blu-ray, this won't end well.

Don't worry. Everything that is important in the VN is adapted so far. Additional scenes in the BD version are just nice treat to the fans.

Dr. Dahm

2014-10-20, 14:01

What's especially refreshing is a newbie who actually doesn't ask questions that cause me to cringe because it takes a LOT of energy to NOT answer these questions.

That said, I hope all the newbies learn to love the franchise as much as I do. :P

I think the phrasing you're looking for is come to love, as opposed to learn. Personally I don't think I'll personally ever become a super hardcore devotee of this franchise even though I do find it interesting though. Just kind of getting too old for intense fandom and devotion to things these days be it anime, games or Western TV.

This episode introduces (or reintroduces depending on your perspective) one of my least favorite characters from the franchise, Kotomine Kirei. Just never really liked this character and find his whole schtick a little over the top. Great voice actor, just kind of weak character that's hard to identify with much no matter how I look at him be at as a villain, tragic figure, counterpart to the heroes or whatever. There really just never seems to have been much going on with this guy unless you compare him to what I guess are who he sees as his rivals (The Emiya Family by the looks of it) and like he can't really exist as his own strong well-defined character in their absence. Can't say I enjoyed this episode as much as the first two since it spent so much time with him. I also kind of already know about a lot of the stuff that was explained in this episode by now, though if this were my first experience with the franchise I'd no doubt be very grateful to have these explanations which Type/Moon adaptations have so rarely afforded the audience so I can't really complain about that. Just kind of a step back and transitioning episode really with a little fanservice that people seem oddly fixated upon considering it's brevity. I guess I just don't share the sheer adoration of the Rin character to the degree others do to really take much away from those scenes really even if I do find her interesting and enjoyable for the most part.

I'm also not a huge fan of the Ilya character that seems to be coming up next week I should say so I think the next little stretch of the show is just going to be just sort of alright for me in comparison to what's come up until now. That's just the thing with me and Type/Moon though, there's some characters I feel could fill out their own solo side story (Ilya did actually get her own curiously, though I don't particularly like that show at all) and others that just kind of fail to do anything for me to generate interest in their story arcs.

Nayrael

2014-10-20, 14:43

I'm very cautious about adding extra scenes to blu-ray releases. If it's like LoTR, where the scenes don't add much but are nice for fans, great. But if they keep certain essential scenes for the blu-ray, this won't end well.

They did the same with Fate/Zero. From what I remember, one episode was 10 minutes longer than on TV. None of them were essential though, just some extra detail and expanded convos.

Gundamx

2014-10-20, 16:03

I'm very cautious about adding extra scenes to blu-ray releases. If it's like LoTR, where the scenes don't add much but are nice for fans, great. But if they keep certain essential scenes for the blu-ray, this won't end well.

I guess that happened because they only have limit time on TV version :heh:
(there is other show beside F/SN)

and it's better bonus than ero scene :heh:

quigonkenny

2014-10-20, 17:30

I guess that happened because they only have limit time on TV version :heh:
(there is other show beside F/SN)

and it's better bonus than ero scene :heh:
Agreed. If you want FSN ero, the VN CGs are out there for anyone to find, along with a f**kton (quite literally) of doujins. Extra plot, no matter how minor, is a precious bonus.

Theminimanx

2014-10-20, 17:58

I know, but I'd rather have that plot in the tv episode. The tv airing is when you make fans, the blu-rays are for milking them.
Still, nothing significant has been left out so far that I can tell, so I'll withhold judgement until the blu-rays are actually released.

quigonkenny

2014-10-20, 18:06

Archon_Wing

2014-10-20, 18:14

These episode threads is apparently only for episode appreciation and posting pictures of Tohsaka's ass.

I think these are perfectly fine endeavors, and should happen more.

Theminimanx

2014-10-20, 18:22

And I'm sure Type-Moon and ufotable would rather have 52 one-hour episodes to tell their story, but they don't. This is the best way to get the story told in the time allotted, and to give a bonus to those loyal enough to buy the BDs.
Again, I don't need all the plot, I just want the important bits. So far nothing important has been left out, but the Kotomine scene made certain elements of the exposition take very long, while not putting a lot of emphasis on the important parts. And that worries me.

GDB

2014-10-20, 18:25

Kirei talked. Therefore, it was important. For proof of this, you need to find the clip from Typemoon Festival where he does like a 5 minute monologue in Engrish.

GreyZone

2014-10-20, 18:33

Kirei talked. Therefore, it was important. For proof of this, you need to find the clip from Typemoon Festival where he does like a 5 minute monologue in Engrish.

Not sure though, if it is the one you ment, but I found one, though since it may spoil Kirei's character a bit, I posted it in the source comparison thread instead.

quigonkenny

2014-10-20, 18:39

Again, I don't need all the plot, I just want the important bits. So far nothing important has been left out, but the Kotomine scene made certain elements of the exposition take very long, while not putting a lot of emphasis on the important parts. And that worries me.
Importance is objective. Different people focus on different elements of the plot. I thought the scene was fine as it was.

Polarpew

2014-10-20, 23:03

Nice wisecrack, except that not everyone has read the source material (which is a Visual Novel, not a light novel btw), and that we ask original material readers not to spoil people, be it with external material or pretenses.

If people want hints/spoilers, that's their choice and problem and they can always do themselves a favor and check the specific threads or use PM for that.

Lol thought you might like it. Anyways my confusion/concern really for the Fate UBW episode threads is clarification on what exactly are we left being able to post about? We've already have image threads, character threads, spoiler threads, music threads. Comparisons to other Fate series aren't allowed either so idk what all these comments on Kuro Ilya is for and Fate/Zero. Like I mentioned this being so well known that its impossible to determine who doesn't know the plot since even if a newbie posts a observation, questions, speculation (ex. "oooh where dat pendant come from") can be construed as spoiler or pointing readers to hints which isn't allowed (I know, my post got deleted for that reason). What is the point of these threads then? We're left with the poll and maybe a comment like "episode is 9/10" yet we can't explain why since its an observation and since this show is so predictable given it being a reboot, what's left?

Archon_Wing

2014-10-21, 00:10

Lol thought you might like it. Anyways my confusion/concern really for the Fate UBW episode threads is clarification on what exactly are we left being able to post about? We've already have image threads, character threads, spoiler threads, music threads. Comparisons to other Fate series aren't allowed either so idk what all these comments on Kuro Ilya is for and Fate/Zero. Like I mentioned this being so well known that its impossible to determine who doesn't know the plot since even if a newbie posts a observation, questions, speculation (ex. "oooh where dat pendant come from") can be construed as spoiler or pointing readers to hints which isn't allowed (I know, my post got deleted for that reason). What is the point of these threads then? We're left with the poll and maybe a comment like "episode is 9/10" yet we can't explain why since its an observation and since this show is so predictable given it being a reboot, what's left?

Simply because there's nothing for you to discuss does that mean this thread is useless in general.

It just takes a bit of imagination. Just think about the perspective of those who aren't familiar with the VN, and think about it critically from that point of view. Now obviously we're only 3 episodes in so there really isn't much, but there's room for those people to have a discussion.

The questions are far more interesting than the answers, often. So yes, there will be no hints. It can wait.

germanturkey

2014-10-21, 00:14

this series is so high profile, i wouldn't expect much in terms of episode discussion that people haven't already seen/heard in one way or another.

my reasonable hope for this series is that they keep the production values up all the way through.

quigonkenny

2014-10-21, 01:06

Lol thought you might like it. Anyways my confusion/concern really for the Fate UBW episode threads is clarification on what exactly are we left being able to post about? We've already have image threads, character threads, spoiler threads, music threads. Comparisons to other Fate series aren't allowed either so idk what all these comments on Kuro Ilya is for and Fate/Zero. Like I mentioned this being so well known that its impossible to determine who doesn't know the plot since even if a newbie posts a observation, questions, speculation (ex. "oooh where dat pendant come from") can be construed as spoiler or pointing readers to hints which isn't allowed (I know, my post got deleted for that reason). What is the point of these threads then? We're left with the poll and maybe a comment like "episode is 9/10" yet we can't explain why since its an observation and since this show is so predictable given it being a reboot, what's left?
Maybe this thread isn't for you (or me either, for that matter). The spoiler threads certainly aren't for those new to the franchise, so why wouldn't the opposite be true?

And true noobs are pretty easy to tell from the vets pretending to be noobs so they can control the conversation. Even those vets industrious enough to use a sockpuppet. I wouldn't worry too much about the mods not being able to tell the difference...

Unknown Soldier

2014-10-21, 03:46

They did the walking in circles like that did in Fate/Zero lol

It was only like a half circle though :heh:

MrTerrorist

2014-10-21, 13:00

It was only like a half circle though :heh:

But still a great tribute from FZ. I was LMAO when i realize what he was doing. :D

Anyway, great episode with FZ references.

Can't wait for the fight with Berserker.

Archon_Wing

2014-10-21, 16:11

Episode 2: Fate/Talk Night

Well, this episode was pretty long-winded, and it did feel like a blatant info dump. I think Shirou seems to be more of a hands on guy, but on the other hand you really wouldn't want him to leap into things again. It's probably for the best. I'm not sure if they really needed to present with us with all the rules, but one must know that Shirou doesn't want part in any of this shit, as it really is morally abhorrent to him it seems, but the salesman here guilt tripped the crap out of him, much to Shirou's dismay. After all, fights to the death generally aren't too fun of a thing.

The ultimate problem is that Shirou is at a huge disadvantage. He cannot regenerate Saber's mana and thus as time goes along and Saber takes more damage, he would just be in an increasingly tighter spot. Saber doesn't seem to give a shit though. One would think his "trace" ability would be able to repair damage, but apparently he can't, because I guess magic. But potential plot coupons are cool!

http://i.imgur.com/9TAx8Kq.jpg
And as a result, you totally don't deserve Saber!
What makes you think you deserve it so much? You didn't summon her!

http://i.imgur.com/S2qkHHe.jpg
Of course I do! What do you have that could possibly outpace me?

Apparently, Rin's argument consists of showing us that Ufotable adapted her butt properly.

Rin's butt was not shown

http://i.imgur.com/OQWX70j.jpg

Naturally, with blood still on his shirt, Shirou is reasonably confused, and thus Rin being tired of having to explain the plot tells him to consult someone that will definitely explain the Holy Grail war. And so they go.

http://i.imgur.com/d5IrSOQ.jpg
Yea, this magic thing is pretty cool. Now, Shirou, may I have permission to use the internet? I need to tweet about the events of today, especially about how much of a despicable noob Lancer is.

The not-priest turns out to be Kotomine Kirei, who seems to be rather passionate about the war.

http://i.imgur.com/D9M6GVu.jpg
Greetings, Emiya Shirou. I see you've been inducted into the Holy Grail War. What has happened to you is a rare opportunity to change the world. There are those that will impose their will on others through violence, but you, Emiya Shirou, appear to be a soul that could save us from catastrophe.

Are you trying to sell me that merchandise over there?

Uhh... no! But there will be a reception after this where you may buy all kinds of unique items that will allow you to retain the grand memories that you will experience.

Kotomine explains more to Shirou, but he certainly seems to be pushing Shirou's buttons with a reference to the disasters and also implying he'd be a coward if he'd quit even though that is an option. Also, he keeps bringing up the killing

http://i.imgur.com/MCvxKxG.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TMuyUrc.jpg

Can we like, not talking about killing and destruction for a minute?

http://i.imgur.com/6VsX7XT.jpg

Awww....

Despite Rin's attempts to not freak Shirou out, it is true that a active master could still be a threat even after losing their servant. So winning the war would be a problem without resorting to underhanded and destructive methods. The reveal that this isn't the first, but the fifth war means that some asshole winning would probaly cause even more trouble. But it also brings up the question of why this war has kept going if whoever won has attained anything they want. Maybe only assholes have won?

In any case, Shirou isn't just any naive fool, but in fact is quite the skeptic. He actively questions everything not just because of mere exposition but because he's just not a person that abides to simply what he is told. Just as he can't accept the world being one where you can't save everyone, he would even be more opposed to a system here and its existing. But it does, and the facts are overwhelming. In the end, Shirou believes that he really has no choice to act, and also Kotomine probably has some nice food for the reception anyways.

http://i.imgur.com/veJ1gSQ.jpg
Actually, my hand is stuck in this silly cloak.

Saber is in shock that Shirou would be so direct and determined. But on the other hand this might just give them a chance. Unfortunately to her dismay, Shirou's lack of awareness would have ended up giving them in trouble, because...

http://i.imgur.com/BVi3SaC.jpg
Yea, in fact, we should kill him and get our own series

Archer's blunt but correct. Now that Shirou's a participant, Rin and Archer are thier enemies. Shirou just left himself open, but like any noob denies his mistake.

http://i.imgur.com/pWmdITP.jpg
That's going to go well for my legacy. My first glorious victory... over this guy who seems like he's hitting on me rather than hitting me.

However, Shirou's kindness is a bit too strong. Perhaps he can get people to voluntarily surrendering by cooking some godly meal. Rin is a bit frustrated with Shirou and ends up doing some tsundere flustered thing. However....

http://i.imgur.com/DxTTXGD.jpg
Are you guys done flirting yet? I think we should go back to the violence
Wait, that's not Kotomine

http://i.imgur.com/rrmhdxt.jpg
Holy fuck, that's huge!!!!

If we compare this to the corresponding 2006 episode, this episode feels a bit more natural. In the 2006 version Kotomine comes as across as more of a narrator that just gets slipped into the story to explain more plot and they are too listen. This feels like more of a discussion, and most importantly Shirou doesn't just blab about generic heroic motives, instead he's constantly perceiving what's happening around him. Also, Berserker is huge.

It's clear at this point that Shirou isn't the cold and calculating type like elder Emiya was. While Kitsurugu was more of a utilitarian type that most likely brought onto Shirou his world view, Shirou has grown under a better climate and believes the world is most likely not as clear as say, sacrificing 5 to save 10. He doesn't want anyone to experience what he did the last time the war happened. Honestly, the Fourth War was quite a savage one.

So this episode provides the setup and tone for more epic things, so in a way it was kind of a necessary evil.

mirakura

2014-10-21, 16:21

Episode 2: Fate/Talk Night

Well, this episode was pretty long-winded, and it did feel like a blatant info dump. I think Shirou seems to be more of a hands on guy, but on the other hand you really wouldn't want him to leap into things again. It's probably for the best. I'm not sure if they really needed to present with us with all the rules, but one must know that Shirou doesn't want part in any of this shit, as it really is morally abhorrent to him it seems, but the salesman here guilt tripped the crap out of him, much to Shirou's dismay. After all, fights to the death generally aren't too fun of a thing.

The ultimate problem is that Shirou is at a huge disadvantage. He cannot regenerate Saber's mana and thus as time goes along and Saber takes more damage, he would just be in an increasingly tighter spot. Saber doesn't seem to give a shit though. One would think his "trace" ability would be able to repair damage, but apparently he can't, because I guess magic. But potential plot coupons are cool!

http://i.imgur.com/9TAx8Kq.jpg
And as a result, you totally don't deserve Saber!
What makes you think you deserve it so much? You didn't summon her!

http://i.imgur.com/S2qkHHe.jpg
Of course I do! What do you have that could possibly outpace me?

Apparently, Rin's argument consists of showing us that Ufotable adapted her butt properly.

Rin's butt was not shown

http://i.imgur.com/OQWX70j.jpg

Naturally, with blood still on his shirt, Shirou is reasonably confused, and thus Rin being tired of having to explain the plot tells him to consult someone that will definitely explain the Holy Grail war. And so they go.

http://i.imgur.com/d5IrSOQ.jpg
Yea, this magic thing is pretty cool. Now, Shirou, may I have permission to use the internet? I need to tweet about the events of today, especially about how much of a despicable noob Lancer is.

The not-priest turns out to be Kotomine Kirei, who seems to be rather passionate about the war.

http://i.imgur.com/D9M6GVu.jpg
Greetings, Emiya Shirou. I see you've been inducted into the Holy Grail War. What has happened to you is a rare opportunity to change the world. There are those that will impose their will on others through violence, but you, Emiya Shirou, appear to be a soul that could save us from catastrophe.

Are you trying to sell me that merchandise over there?

Uhh... no! But there will be a reception after this where you may buy all kinds of unique items that will allow you to retain the grand memories that you will experience.

Kotomine explains more to Shirou, but he certainly seems to be pushing Shirou's buttons with a reference to the disasters and also implying he'd be a coward if he'd quit even though that is an option. Also, he keeps bringing up the killing

http://i.imgur.com/MCvxKxG.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TMuyUrc.jpg

Can we like, not talking about killing and destruction for a minute?

http://i.imgur.com/6VsX7XT.jpg

Awww....

Despite Rin's attempts to not freak Shirou out, it is true that a active master could still be a threat even after losing their servant. So winning the war would be a problem without resorting to underhanded and destructive methods. The reveal that this isn't the first, but the fifth war means that some asshole winning would probaly cause even more trouble. But it also brings up the question of why this war has kept going if whoever won has attained anything they want. Maybe only assholes have won?

In any case, Shirou isn't just any naive fool, but in fact is quite the skeptic. He actively questions everything not just because of mere exposition but because he's just not a person that abides to simply what he is told. Just as he can't accept the world being one where you can't save everyone, he would even be more opposed to a system here and its existing. But it does, and the facts are overwhelming. In the end, Shirou believes that he really has no choice to act, and also Kotomine probably has some nice food for the reception anyways.

http://i.imgur.com/veJ1gSQ.jpg
Actually, my hand is stuck in this silly cape.

Saber is in shock that Shirou would be so direct and determined. But on the other hand this might just give them a chance. Unfortunately to her dismay, Shirou's lack of awareness would have ended up giving them in trouble, because...

http://i.imgur.com/BVi3SaC.jpg
Yea, in fact, we should kill him and get our own series

Archer's blunt but correct. Now that Shirou's a participant, Rin and Archer are thier enemies. Shirou just left himself open, but like any noob denies his mistake.

http://i.imgur.com/pWmdITP.jpg
That's going to go well for my legacy. My first glorious victory... over this guy who seems like he's hitting on me rather than hitting me.

However, Shirou's kindness is a bit too strong. Perhaps he can get people to voluntarily surrendering by cooking some godly meal. Rin is a bit frustrated with Shirou and ends up doing some tsundere flustered thing. However....

http://i.imgur.com/DxTTXGD.jpg
Are you guys done flirting yet? I think we should go back to the violence
Wait, that's not Kotomine

http://i.imgur.com/rrmhdxt.jpg
Holy fuck, that's huge!!!!

If we compare this to the corresponding 2006 episode, this episode feels a bit more natural. In the 2006 version Kotomine comes as across as more of a narrator that just gets slipped into the story to explain more plot and they are too listen. This feels like more of a discussion, and most importantly Shirou doesn't just blab about generic heroic motives, instead he's constantly perceiving what's happening around him. Also, Berserker is huge.

It's clear at this point that Shirou isn't the cold and calculating type like elder Emiya was. While Kitsurugu was more of a utilitarian type that most likely inferred into Shirou his world view, Shirou has grown under a better climate and believes the world is most likely not as clear as say, sacrificing 5 to save 10. He doesn't want anyone to experience what he did the last time the war happened

So this episode provides the setup and tone for more epic things, so in a way it was kind of a necessary evil.

Lol, glorious review.

GreyZone

2014-10-21, 18:11

This is great, I hope you continue with your reviews! It's a very refreshing read. And I want to ask: Did you watch the DEEN movie?

Archon_Wing

2014-10-21, 18:31

This is great, I hope you continue with your reviews! It's a very refreshing read. And I want to ask: Did you watch the DEEN movie?

No, I wasn't aware that Deen made a movie.

I am aware that they made a compilation production called "Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works" but to call that a movie would be an insult to true movies like The Room and Troll 2. Let's just say that even if I remember watching it , it does absolutely nothing in helping me understand what I'm watching now beyond the vaguest of events and thus I won't even be taking it into account at all.

I have not played the VN aside from the intro so by all practical means, I am completely new to this route and arguably all of Fate/Stay Night.

GreyZone

2014-10-21, 19:03

No, I wasn't aware that Deen made a movie.

I am aware that they made a compilation production called "Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works" but to call that a movie would be an insult to true movies like The Room and Troll 2. Let's just say that even if I remember watching it , it does absolutely nothing in helping me understand what I'm watching now beyond the vaguest of events and thus I won't even be taking it into account at all.

I have not played the VN aside from the intro so by all practical means, I am completely new to this route and arguably all of Fate/Stay Night.

That's good to hear. I'll be looking forward to your next reviews then :)

Next EP should be bombastic. I hope we'll finally get VN remixes.

Polarpew

2014-10-23, 09:52

ladies and gents, that's how an episode discussion should be like. looking forward to more

dniv

2014-10-30, 23:39

I'm averse to F/SN but friends convinced me to watch it... through constant nagging. :eyespin:

Anyway, it's much better than expected, and continues to get better.

The episodes are very good. Once again: it remains to be seen if this will be my favorite at the end of the season though...

Dengar

2014-10-31, 03:14

I do hope you'll enjoy it. F/SN fans and Ufotable fans can be quite rabid.

Rev Okkin

2014-11-01, 20:46

I'm averse to F/SN but friends convinced me to watch it... through constant nagging.

Anyway, it's much better than expected, and continues to get better.

The episodes are very good. Once again: it remains to be seen if this will be my favorite at the end of the season though...

Have fun, just stay as a knowledgeable casual (even if you go play all the VNs or read all the LNs or watch/read all the spinoffs you can stay as a casual, just knowledgeable).
Don't dip too much into the fandom/Nasuverse. It's gonna be as hard as hardcore scientific debates or even political ones

Verrueckter

2014-11-01, 21:59

Have fun, just stay as a knowledgeable casual (even if you go play all the VNs or read all the LNs or watch/read all the spinoffs you can stay as a casual, just knowledgeable).
Don't dip too much into the fandom/Nasuverse. It's gonna be as hard as hardcore scientific debates or even political ones

Dniv...just imagine arguing with a dozen LevelSevens and Hamazuras (all of them with different opinions) and you can imagine what dealing with the hardcore Fate/Type-Moon fandom is like.

However, like Okkin says it is easy to casually appreciate the series. I have seen all the anime, read the VNs and I am able to enjoy it all without getting sucked in by the fandom. I see you on most of the series forums I post in (and tend to agree with most of your posts) , so if we have somewhat similar tastes then you should enjoy the Fate Series however you decide to consume it.

Guido

2014-11-02, 12:49

An episode almost entirely driven by dialogue.

Still, the plotline is sailing within familiar territory, though I'm not entering into details.

Because, I watched a previous TYPE-MOON series before Unlimited Blade Works it truly hit me hard when Kotomine addressed the coward Master from the previous war that led into its incomplete state. Furthermore, the conversation between the fake Priest and the boy who wishes to be a hero felt to me with such an insidous tone. As if something was telling me that Shiro will be left with no choice but to either compromise or stray away from his ideals at being a hero of justice during the war's ordeal.

Rev Okkin

2014-11-02, 22:45

chaos_alfa

2014-11-03, 09:29

I like your reviews. Keep up with them. Are you gonna post your Episode 3 review in the Franchise Veteran section since you have seen previous Type-Moon franchises? Or are you gonna go into the Newbie one?

It probably should go in the Franchise Veteran section. It is difficult to write about something unbiased, what he/she decide to focus on in a review will get influenced by the spoilers he/she already knows. Because of this there is a change he/she will accidentally spoils something.

Dengar

2014-11-03, 09:32

Depends on who the review is written by of course.

chaos_alfa

2014-11-03, 10:25

Depends on who the review is written by of course.

I'm referring to these rules:
Well, the one thing I'll say is that we don't want "covert ops" or "bad actors". Meaning, we don't want people who are spoiled to pretend they're not and participate in spoiler-free threads leaving hints or answering questions. So if you're actively reading the spoiler threads but then participating in the spoiler-free discussion, all those spoilers are going to influence your thinking. People who are like "I never played the game, but I've read all the spoiler threads and spoilers online" should probably go to the spoiler threads. Plus sometimes spoiled viewers feel like they need to do anime-only viewers a "favour" by explaining things to them or correcting misunderstandings, and we don't want that either.

So... while I'm not going to say 100% that people can never participate in both sides, we would be very harsh against someone who drops any sort of spoilers/hints in the spoiler-free thread. So it may not be worth it.

Writing reviews in the New Viewers section can be done, but it would be risky.

Dengar

2014-11-03, 10:28

So you're saying that just because they are writing a review, they must be spoiling people, and whether or not they actually know of the source material is irrelevant?

GDB

2014-11-03, 10:35

No, they're talking about the person who they just said they want to read more reviews by who said they watched previous TypeMoon works. Not sure what all he's watched, but clearly it's at least Fate/Zero.

chaos_alfa

2014-11-03, 10:44

So you're saying that just because they are writing a review, they must be spoiling people, and whether or not they actually know of the source material is irrelevant?

No, I just made comment about in which section Guido should place his future reviews. Guido seems to have seen a previous TYPE-MOON series. This would make him/her a Franchise Veterans, meaning his/her reviews should go in the Franchise Veterans section.

An episode almost entirely driven by dialogue.

Still, the plotline is sailing within familiar territory, though I'm not entering into details.

Because, I watched a previous TYPE-MOON series before Unlimited Blade Works it truly hit me hard when Kotomine addressed the coward Master from the previous war that led into its incomplete state. Furthermore, the conversation between the fake Priest and the boy who wishes to be a hero felt to me with such an insidous tone. As if something was telling me that Shiro will be left with no choice but to either compromise or stray away from his ideals at being a hero of justice during the war's ordeal.

EDIT: If he/she has seen just Fate/Zero his review can also go in the "F/SN UBW TV - Discussion/Speculation for Fate/Zero Anime-Only Viewers (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=129053)" thread in the New Viewers section.