Nejimaki Seirei Senki - Tenkyou no Alderamin [Light Novel]

[Breimn]

Brain translations.Or ask google sensei for help.

[hunterhentai]

google sensei don't want to help ;(
my pour brain don't know japanese ;(

[Endless_Paradox]

Damn, reading the volume 7's summary is really shocking to me.

I hope they will do a decent work with the anime adaptation. Ending the anime right at volume 7 will be perfect. Although 2 cours for 7 volumes would be a little too short.

[Breimn]

Considering 3 episodes for vol we would have 21 episodes with 3 more left for details on more important parts so they can probably do it with the usual rushing anime studios tend to have.

[larethian]

Well, most of these 3 ep per volume light novel are 250-300 pages long. The thinnest Alderamin volume is around 350 pages while the thickest (v7) is around 500+ pages.

[Endless_Paradox]

The best pacing I think would be is 6 vol for 2 cours, and then 1 movie for only vol 7. Though we all know that's not gonna happen.

[DarkDooM]

The only volume I've read is volume 1 and I'd say we need around 6-7 episodes to adapt it faithfully. If that is anything to go by we'd need almost 50 episodes for the first 7 volumes.

[Breimn]

>faithfully
The only one they recently did that is for Rokka.

[larethian]

From my perspective, it's better to do 7 volumes in 2 cour with some sacrifices. After all, story wise, volume 7 is a turning point and it will be weird to cut off at earlier volumes in 2 cour, and then have the turning point in like 4 or 5 episodes of a new cour. Doing up till v3 in one cour can be another option since a big war ended and v4 starts slow. But there will be a loss in momentum in this case or if we go slow like Rokka.

I assume A1 is doing it based on the promo pic? I hope they do this carefully. I think Ono Manabu will be fit for the director job :D

[Sacredus]

Yesterday I finished reading 1st Volume and really loved this book but... I checked spoilers and after Yatori's one I'm feeling really empty right now... Not sure if I even want to continue reading this series :/

Edit: Dropped with score 9/10 for 1st Volume...

[MonkeyDude]

Yesterday I finished reading 1st Volume and really loved this book but... I checked spoilers and after Yatori's one I'm feeling really empty right now... Not sure if I even want to continue reading this series :/

Edit: Dropped with score 9/10 for 1st Volume...

These statements always confuse the hell out of me. I mean I get that Yatori is a great character and all, but when did she get enough development to warrant such a reaction? Oh sure she has great chemistry with Ikta...but really that's it. Personally don't think the first volume showed enough of her character for the reader to form any meaningful attachment to her...but then again I suppose this just comes with the territory of spoilers.

Oh and v7 2cour is the best thing that can possibly happen for Alderamin if they want to go for maximum impact, anything above 2cour is most likely just wishful thinking. It's pretty high risk considering how the readers tend to view such events, but I think it could pay off dividends to those who can tolerate and even welcome such developments. You're gonna alienate your potential LN readers anyway so may as well animate what is possibly the key turning point of the entire story.

[Takeshi senpai]

These statements always confuse the hell out of me. I mean I get that Yatori is a great character and all, but when did she get enough development to warrant such a reaction? Oh sure she has great chemistry with Ikta...but really that's it. Personally don't think the first volume showed enough of her character for the reader to form any meaningful attachment to her...but then again I suppose this just comes with the territory of spoilers.

Oh and v7 2cour is the best thing that can possibly happen for Alderamin if they want to go for maximum impact, anything above 2cour is most likely just wishful thinking. It's pretty high risk considering how the readers tend to view such events, but I think it could pay off dividends to those who can tolerate and even welcome such developments. You're gonna alienate your potential LN readers anyway so may as well animate what is possibly the key turning point of the entire story.

Because when you see a great character, you want to see how she develops. When you kill off a good character, it will feel like a waste.

[Sacredus]

Exactly. You read 1st volume, like it a lot and like characters even more, and then see "that" spoiler... it was really devastating. Maybe I overreacted to drop series because of this, but I just have when authors do this.

Also someone gave me a link do Amazon reviews of 8th Volume and I'm not sure if these people are trolling or not (IMO trolls). I will wait for Larethian review/spoilers because Google translate...

http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%81%AD%E3%81%98%E5%B7%BB%E3%81%8D%E7%B2%BE%E9%9 C%8A%E6%88%A6%E8%A8%98-%E5%A4%A9%E9%8F%A1%E3%81%AE%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AB%E3%8 3%87%E3%83%A9%E3%83%9F%E3%83%B3-8-%E9%9B%BB%E6%92%83%E6%96%87%E5%BA%AB-%E5%AE%87%E9%87%8E%E6%9C%B4%E4%BA%BA/dp/404865456X/ref=cm_rdp_product/376-5617141-4767655
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ネタバレありです。
ご容赦を。

やあっったあああああヤトリ生きてたアアアアアアアア！！！！
ってレビューを書きたかったのに、まさかの確実な死。
僕個人としてはもう☆0でいいんじゃね？ヤトリ殺すとかマジ何してくれてんの？おん？殺すならマシューとか にしとけよ！！！とかなんとか思っちゃうんですが、話の内容は面白いので☆4つ。
ー1はヤトリへの想いです…。
以下、内容についてのレビューです。
他の方が書かれているように、あまり話の進展はありませんでした。
表紙に表れているようにシャミーユが独裁政治をしてたりはしますが、大きな進展はなしですね。
話の前半は、ジャンとかの話ばかりで「お前の話はええねん！」と思うほど長かった…。
イクタはヤトリを失い、シャミーユが手厚く保護していますが、精神的にボロボロです。言葉すら交わしません 。
今後イクタがどのように立ち直っていくのか楽しみですが、やはりご都合主義でもいいからヤトリがやっぱり生 きてました…っていう展開をですね…。
最後にハロの口から出たパトレンシーナとは一体…。
Ya~tsuttaa ah Yatri was alive Aaa Aaaaa! ! ! !

ヤトリが実は生きていたという最悪の展開にならずに良かった．
殿下が暗黒面に堕ちた？
マシューが凡人．
トルウェイが病む．
イクタの憔悴の仕方はちょっと捻りがない．
ハロに関わる伏線が回収される．
まあ，助走区間ということで次に期待!
Yatri it was good to not the worst of deployment that actually was alive.

[larethian]

Have not been checking web spoilers or reviews. And I dont know what to think about it right now. Originally was waiting for bookwalker version to come out on 26th this month. But I will be dropping by the bookstore tomorrow to pick up the hardcopy. Probably will finish it by Sunday. Meanwhile exiting the thread.

[MonkeyDude]

Because when you see a great character, you want to see how she develops. When you kill off a good character, it will feel like a waste.

Not when it's used as a vehicle to progress the plot and the development of other characters. That remains to be seen, but I'm going to assume that's the case with how the story seems to have been built to reach that point. Besides isn't it a breath of fresh air to have a story with the guts to kill off main characters and risk alienating their fanbase?

Huh I wonder if this would count as a Shakespearean tragedy?

[Sacredus]

Not when it's used as a vehicle to progress the plot and the development of other characters. That remains to be seen, but I'm going to assume that's the case with how the story seems to have been built to reach that point. Besides isn't it a breath of fresh air to have a story with the guts to kill off main characters and risk alienating their fanbase?

Huh I wonder if this would count as a Shakespearean tragedy?
No.
10characterlimit

[MonkeyDude]

No.
10characterlimit

Well guess you're not a big fan of tragedy or at least tragedy that actually matters in a story. Luckily it seems the kind of stories you seem to enjoy are a dime a dozen so have at em!

[ShadowSamurai365]

Because when you see a great character, you want to see how she develops. When you kill off a good character, it will feel like a waste.

Based on this thread, it's obvious that Yatori is well-liked. Is there any other female characters in this story that's well liked in here?

[Breimn]

Among tls i only like her.

[TheCatWalk]

Exactly. You read 1st volume, like it a lot and like characters even more, and then see "that" spoiler... it was really devastating. Maybe I overreacted to drop series because of this, but I just have when authors do this.

Also someone gave me a link do Amazon reviews of 8th Volume and I'm not sure if these people are trolling or not (IMO trolls). I will wait for Larethian review/spoilers because Google translate...
[SPOILER="Amazon reviews" (spoilers)]
http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%81%AD%E3%81%98%E5%B7%BB%E3%81%8D%E7%B2%BE%E9%9 C%8A%E6%88%A6%E8%A8%98-%E5%A4%A9%E9%8F%A1%E3%81%AE%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AB%E3%8 3%87%E3%83%A9%E3%83%9F%E3%83%B3-8-%E9%9B%BB%E6%92%83%E6%96%87%E5%BA%AB-%E5%AE%87%E9%87%8E%E6%9C%B4%E4%BA%BA/dp/404865456X/ref=cm_rdp_product/376-5617141-4767655
hahaha, never trust google translator.
And in the second line he wrote
"-is what i'd like to write but alas her death is real." something like that.

[Phantomlurker]

hahaha, never trust google translator.
And in the second line he wrote
"-is what i'd like to write but alas her death is real." something like that.

....haha... hahaha... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Man, that was evil. Well, while I get people getting angry about ver death we can't rally judge whether it as o good or bad decision with only spoilers/summaries. We need a proper translation to rally get what feelings the author intended to transmit up to that scene and how it went from there.

[MonkeyDude]

Based on this thread, it's obvious that Yatori is well-liked. Is there any other female characters in this story that's well liked in here?

I don't know about well-liked, but Chamille showed potential with her character development in v1. Personally enjoyed Chamille's growth as a character, but it's just hard to beat Yatori's chemistry with Ikta even though she's more or less stagnant in v1.

[Zoalq123]

I don't know about well-liked, but Chamille showed potential with her character development in v1. Personally enjoyed Chamille's growth as a character, but it's just hard to beat Yatori's chemistry with Ikta even though she's more or less stagnant in v1.

Well Yatori was getting all the attetion while the author wanted to focus on Chamille.So the author took the easiest way possible.

[Sacredus]

Well Yatori was getting all the attetion while the author wanted to focus on Chamille.So the author took the easiest way possible.
Well, I could start joking about author preferences based on this, but I'm not that but hurt over Yatori and I will not offend author just because I don't liked development in his book... I will just drop series on 7th Volume (I really doubt that any development in further books would force me to start reading loli empress arc).

Anyway, this whole Yatori situation is a problem for this series. Remember that anime is incoming and she will be used to promote it - her fanbase will grow, more people would be mad at ending of 7th volume/x anime series and who will be used to promote next one? Chamille?

Edit: I will shut up about this, I don't want start war here.

[larethian]

Unfortunately, I couldn't finish reading this today as I wanted to read v3 of Gamers first :heh:. I was halfway through chapter 1, then decided to flip through the rest of the volume and scanned through the entire thing in about 30 or so minutes. Because I will be busy and won't be able to read anything until 2-3 weeks later so I thought I will get the gist first.

Anyway, after scanning through, nothing really big happened in this volume, so I decided to make a gist summary over at BT (done). After I get to read this properly, I will add/fix things if deemed necessary.


hahaha, never trust google translator.
And in the second line he wrote
"-is what i'd like to write but alas her death is real." something like that.
I was one of those duped. Because after reading the bold part, I stopped reading further as I didn't want to know more spoilers, so that line didn't come into view :heh:


....haha... hahaha... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Man, that was evil. Well, while I get people getting angry about ver death we can't rally judge whether it as o good or bad decision with only spoilers/summaries. We need a proper translation to rally get what feelings the author intended to transmit up to that scene and how it went from there.

Very much this. When we read the actual text, we give the author a chance to market and sell us that this is not just a senseless development and the way it's orchestrated may make it easier to accept it. I definitely feel sadness mixed with disappointment but when I looked back at the past volumes, it seems to me it has been planned and a sensible development. The build-up which happened, which was also the direct cause of the 'low' to the readers is intended so that the reader can go through the same thing as Ikta. But because I've read the entire series, it's not like I'll stop reading or cuss and swear at the author for doing what he did. Though I did cry out 'Yatori!' in my mind a few times. Even now, reading my own summary of v7, I will still do that :heh:

I'll consider this as good writing rather than bad writing, because the author succeeded in making me care so much. And he didn't just do it for the sake of 'killing the character' or giving us the 'feels' but it will tie in to the grand scheme of things. As can be seen from volume 8, the relationship dynamics of the main characters have changed, and the development in volume 7 is rather pivotal to that and things that will happen beyond. Yatori's death is definitely not cheap. It adds great value to the course of the story. If a person just want to read literature to 'want things to go his way and make him feel good all the time', then stories that cater to wish-fulfillment in some way or other may be more appropriate. When the author reminds us that he has full control of his world and follows through with unpopular decisions if he thinks this is the best way to develop his the story he wants to tell, this makes me respect him. Sorry to be blunt, but if you are a shallow reader, this is not for you.

But it's not like I don't understand the angst, since I have felt the same way when something similar to this happens in other series I have not caught up with, and got spoiled before catching up.

[DarkDooM]

Thanks as always, larethian.

I knew Yatoris death was going to hit Ikta really hard, but I didn't think he'd become such a wreck. I thought he would try to fulfill Yatoris last wish at least. Or perhaps he's just pretending to be a wreck when he's actually pulling strings in the background? But that's unlikely. I don't see a reason for him to do that.

Now that Haro has "awakened" I wonder what she is going to do. Try to assassinate Chamille? Or possibly Ikta?
Do we know what her other pesonality is like yet?

Next volume is going to be awesome.

[ShadowSamurai365]

Thanks as always, larethian.

I knew Yatoris death was going to hit Ikta really hard, but I didn't think he'd become such a wreck. I thought he would try to fulfill Yatoris last wish at least. Or perhaps he's just pretending to be a wreck when he's actually pulling strings in the background? But that's unlikely. I don't see a reason for him to do that.

Now that Haro has "awakened" I wonder what she is going to do. Try to assassinate Chamille? Or possibly Ikta?
Do we know what her other pesonality is like yet?

Next volume is going to be awesome.

I'm of the same opinion. I knew that he would be downfallen (which I was worried about), but I didn't think that it was this much. Then again, he had lost a lot of things thanks to a similar subject; so....

[Wandering Soul]

Thanks as always, larethian.

I knew Yatoris death was going to hit Ikta really hard, but I didn't think he'd become such a wreck. I thought he would try to fulfill Yatoris last wish at least. Or perhaps he's just pretending to be a wreck when he's actually pulling strings in the background? But that's unlikely. I don't see a reason for him to do that.

Now that Haro has "awakened" I wonder what she is going to do. Try to assassinate Chamille? Or possibly Ikta?
Do we know what her other pesonality is like yet?

Next volume is going to be awesome.
I expected him to be a wreck just not completely to that extent. It seems like he is so broken that he has pretty much forgotten Yaotri's last wish.

As for Haro I see her going after either Chamille or Ikta.

[Phantomlurker]

Note to self: check to what language is set the table when posting with it, seeing yourself later can be quite embarrassing. Anyway,
Sorry to be blunt, but if you are a shallow reader, this is not for you.

You can also try reading the muv luv trilogy as practice, if you stick with it to the end you can take just about anything.
What are everybody's hopes for the next volume and the anime? I want to see more Chamille and for the anime... I just hope they don't screw it too much...

[Enternal]

Wow this is such an interesting story! I have been wanting to read more stories that are similar to Haken no Kouki Altina and I found it in this one. They are quite similar yet are quite different too but enjoyable nonetheless. Except for "the event" that happened that I just got spoiled going through the thread haha... :( Anyways I will continue to follow this one. I'm also quite interesting how Chamilles will developed since she was shown to be quite cunning even when she was younger. But still feeling down... :(

I have also been following Madan no ou to Vanadis. Are there any other novels that are kind of similar to this one, Madan, and Altina?

[larethian]

Try Rakuin no Monshou.

[Enternal]

Ok! I will! Thanks!

For some odd reason it made me think of Tsurugi no Joou to Rekuin no Ko but the main character is not even a red-haired character haha.

[~Yami~]

I hear from some spoiler that Yatori's body is preserved...
Is it possible that Ikta is going to find a way to revive her? :heh:
and also hearing about thing that happened on Chamille is quite scary.. that is a crazy plot twist there

[MonkeyDude]

Oh wow certainly didn't expect Ikta to fall into that state, but given the way the story is progressing it seems to be a convenient method for him to be present when Chamille gets a visit from her would be assassin. I mean Ikta may himself be a target, but there's no reason to attack him first when he is essentially a living corpse at this point. Though of course it would hardly be surprising if he suddenly got his act together once he remembers his last promise to Yatori when Chamille is in danger. It would be a nice impetus for Ikta to finally free himself from his past (Yatori) and face the future (Chamille) as the villain of the Empire.

It's rather interesting to see how the author presented the two women that had the most profound impact in Ikta's life, though bit of a stretch to include Chamille in this category. One represents the stagnant past as Ikta futilely tries to free Yatori from her self-imposed fate while the other is the changing future and the promise of a better tomorrow being dangled by Chamille's plan. Ikta reborn when he finally reconciles his past and finally faces the future should be glorious.

The anime really needs to cover v7 and the next volume needs to come out before/during the anime to quell the inevitable irrational rage. Would kinda be counterproductive for them to market the MC being in a comatose state.:heh:

[Kurotama]

Hello I just found out someone translating this here
http://helidwarf.com/
I found the style a bit different from the one on BT and was wandering if anyone who can read japanese could tell me if the quality is good or at least decent.
Thanks

[Sacredus]

I hear from some spoiler that Yatori's body is preserved...
Is it possible that Ikta is going to find a way to revive her? :heh:
and also hearing about thing that happened on Chamille is quite scary.. that is a crazy plot twist there

I also have question about this.
Why her body was preserved in ice in first place? To prevent her body from decay and bury her in home in best possible state? As for second line in that quoted question, I would like to see that... but doubt this is even possible.

[Breimn]

Looks like ww get madhouse.
Director is thd one who did anelog according to 4ch.
Main staff announced, 2016 Summer
http://alderamin.net/

本日発表になりましたTVアニメ「ねじ巻き精霊戦記 天鏡のアルデラミン」スタッフ情報です。
監督：市村徹夫(Norn 9)
キャラクターデザイン：香月邦夫(In the Forest, Under Cherries in Full Bloom)
シリーズ構成：ヤスカワショウゴ(Rakudai, Shokugeki no Souma)
音響監督：岩波美和
制作：マッドハウス(Madhouse)
製作：天鏡のアルデラミン製作委員会
（うどん）

[LevelSeven]

^if the anime is good maybe the translation of the LN will be also done faster :)

PS: i saw in the nejimaki wiki that the vol1 cover girl died, well, now im really interested in this series :heh:

[Breimn]

Write "vol 7 spoiler" in spoiler tag. so people wont get spoilered

[Breimn]

They made art even worse than the preview pic they gave us quite a time ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kL47t4Mz-4
http://i.4cdn.org/a/1457848338320.jpg

[Sacredus]

Yeah, character designs (especially girls) looks just awful.

[FormerLurker]

I want to throw up just looking at that.

[Breimn]

I totally did not expect for madhouse to ruin this so much.Who the hell isthe chara designer for anime and who put that idiot in charge?

[Zefyris]

Is it me or the PV is showing/having sentences about stuff from volume 4-5-and even 6? Really? In a PV?

[Breimn]

Is it me or the PV is showing/having sentences about stuff from volume 4-5-and even 6? Really? In a PV?

quote from 4ch,cant read raw so dont ask me if true

>Furthermore, from the pv, I'd say that they're going to rush it completely. That item he's having in his hand... That symbol... IS not something you see in the first 3 volumes (seen for the first time at the beginning of volume 4) and only get really seen in the end of the 5th volume.
>One of the sentence he said too... Isn't that from the 6th volume? May be forgetting something but... Seriously? Isn't that supposed to be a PV?

[Sacredus]

That was Zefyris post in anime topic (https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=5800711#post5800711) :P

[Breimn]

That was Zefyris post in anime topic (https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=5800711#post5800711) :P

I dont go in anime section so sorry.

[Zefyris]

larethian actually corrected already, that sentence isn't from volume 6, but seven. which makes things even worse...
They better do a two cour adaptation to reach that...

[DarkDooM]

I was shocked by the designs at first but after watching the PV a couple of times I don't think it's actually that bad.
Sure, same face syndrome is quite strong in this one but that's a problem in almost every anime.
Not to mention that character designs really shouldn't be the most important part of a series, especially one like alderamin. Seriously, people who want to watch a series simply because of the character designs should just stick to moe harem shows or something.

[Breimn]

Itvis an anime , of course visuals are important!

[Wandering Soul]

I was shocked by the designs at first but after watching the PV a couple of times I don't think it's actually that bad.
Sure, same face syndrome is quite strong in this one but that's a problem in almost every anime.
Not to mention that character designs really shouldn't be the most important part of a series, especially one like alderamin. Seriously, people who want to watch a series simply because of the character designs should just stick to moe harem shows or something.
While character designs aren't a deal breaker to me, they are pretty important in an anime, which is a visual medium.

[Endless_Paradox]

The only thing I have against the chara design is that Ikta looks like a generic nice guy here. I mean, he should look more sly

[Wandering Soul]

The only thing I have against the chara design is that Ikta looks like a generic nice guy here. I mean, he should look more sly
Yeah, that's one of the problem I have with the designs. They would have been better off going with his manga design.

[Lem]

Cover of volume 9.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71Fgl%2Bnk7%2BL.jpg

[KikeLyne]

Yandere / Assassin Alert... any synopsis or release date?

[larethian]

release date is in a few days

Edit: btw i will only read it end may/early june. And avoiding this thread until then.

[larethian]

Tfw i flip through the book and saw
Sol piggy backing Ikta on page 270

[Crazy Frog]

Is that Haro on Vol 9 cover?

[DoomCalibur]

Illustration for vol 9 anyone ?

[Nasu]

After finishing volume 7 today, I have to say I haven’t been this emotionally invested since Code Geass. Came for Ikuta and stayed for the anti-hero/Post-war Japan motifs. The Katjvarna Empire reminds me of the current declining Japan. I wonder what the author is trying to imply…
Being so engrossed in this series, the comments labeling Yatorishino’s death as a cheap method for character development irked me enough to respond to the discussion that was discussed one year ago (LOL). Her death practically tied everything up.
Consistent Ideology
-Allusion to post-war Japan, Shinto/Emperor/Old system (Katjvarna) or Science/Western Ideology/New system(Kioka).
- Princess and Ikuta with the New System, Yatori with the Old (debate with Ikuta when they were young)
- Yatori dying is consistent with main theme, Ikuta killing “Igsem” (New vs Old)
Ikuta’s Development-
-Three contradictions: promises to mom, Yatorishino, and princess
-Yatori’s betrayal = breaking two promises with mom (become hero and third-faction)
- Fulfills promise 4 by defeating Igsem (Igsem family must be “Saikyou”, the strongest, undefeated)
Yatorishino is not bounded by her family anymore (technically) + she protects Ikuta, unlike her father
-Yatorishino steers Ikuta to the correct/princess path (Old vs New)
Princess’ Development
-Constant curse of blood. Her tie with Ikuta is through blood (Science/New), Yatorishino with Ikuta through heart/kokoro (Religion/Old)
-Wishes Yatori to disappear and treating as Igsem = Guilt
-Yatorishino’s death = despair, Ikuta too broken to support so she turns to her uncle
Princess as Main Heroine
-Yatori too stagnant development-wise, although intentional as she represents Old system (opinion)
-Ideology aligns with theme of story. Also progresses plot
-Female version of Ikuta

Recalling all the books I’ve read, I can’t think of a single story that has a SINGLE event that ties this many knots, contradictions,themes,and character development. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around why people think this is bad writing, although I assume they just read the summary. I’m glad this series ranked 10th in 2015 even after Yatorishino's death. Guess I shouldn't lose hope in the Japanese light novel community, despite the plethora of ridiculous harem novels. /end rant

Looking forward to reading 8 and 9. Can’t wait to see who gets out of despair first. Ikuta or the Princess? Wktk

And finally, my expression of gratitude to larethian: ┏○)) ｱｻﾞ━━━━━━━━ｽ！Have always appreciated your summaries and translations, especially with Mahouka and Kagami Takuya’s series. Actually, if you hadn’t translated the early volumes of Mahouka, I wouldn’t have gotten into light novels. Hope you continue your excellent work so more people will join this community.

[larethian]

Thanks, but I need to first set the record straight by saying that I only did 1 chapter for Mahouka. So I deserve no deep credit for it xD.

[TheCatWalk]

Btw I still think Ikta is gonna die at the end of this novel.
Idk why.
But I just simply can't imagine him being with another girl other than Yatori. Best he dies or lives a bachelor.
Well, if we bring reality into the case then yeah, I guess he and the princess might be a pair in the future.
But as far as drama and novels are concerned, meep.

[ShadowSamurai365]

Btw I still think Ikta is gonna die at the end of this novel.
Idk why.
But I just simply can't imagine him being with another girl other than Yatori. Best he dies or lives a bachelor.
Well, if we bring reality into the case then yeah, I guess he and the princess might be a pair in the future.
But as far as drama and novels are concerned, meep.

If that's what the author's trying to do, then he has 'a lot' of work to do in the volumes to come (and to make it were people will stop complaining). Also, your statement reminds me of what Lklan wanted to happen.

[Tenzen12]

Yeah I think so too. Even though it never got into romantic between him and Yatori, she was his other half. One cannot "get better" from loosing that much. Plus I doubt he would be able just happily get himself girlfriend and family after sacrifing thousands lifes, even if it was for "greater good".

I wouldn't be surprised even if he orchestrated own death for greater effect.

[Crazy Frog]

Did anyone already see illustration for volume 9?

[Breimn]

No, do you have them?

[Lem]

Release date for the 10th volume was announced.http://dengekibunko.jp/newreleases/978-4-04-892196-1/

[Lhklan]

Btw I still think Ikta is gonna die at the end of this novel.
Idk why.
But I just simply can't imagine him being with another girl other than Yatori. Best he dies or lives a bachelor.
Well, if we bring reality into the case then yeah, I guess he and the princess might be a pair in the future.
But as far as drama and novels are concerned, meep.

Maybe it would end with something like FE7 where the Tactician/Mark disappears and no one know where he went, just replace Mark with Ikta

[interupt]

Release date for the 10th volume was announced.http://dengekibunko.jp/newreleases/978-4-04-892196-1/

Is this what preview saying?

Receiving a pincer attack on the battlefield, falling into a pinch. Is there a way out for Chamille?

[Crazy Frog]

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/alderamin/images/7/7e/DCD-Front_Cover.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160528105402 http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/alderamin/images/9/9d/DCD-Back_Cover.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160528105555

This Drama CD has same voice actors as TV Anime. This drama CD is original story by Author. Story is from volume 1 and volume 2 timeline. One day, knights member is talking about rural ghost story that has been passing around. Ikta invite them to explore the base and hunting the ghost.

Source: http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B019GPLAT4?ie=UTF8&camp=1207&creative=8411&creativeASIN=B019GPLAT4&linkCode=shr&tag=00-11-22-11-00-22

[Lem]

http://cs633428.vk.me/v633428081/2c5be/r3poNW66DgQ.jpg

[DarkDooM]

http://cs633428.vk.me/v633428081/2c5be/r3poNW66DgQ.jpg

Oh my. W-Will it really happen? :uhoh:

But I have to say, Ikta is really rocking his new outfit!

Btw, volume 9 illustrations have been out for a while:
https://abload.de/img/020zofs.png

https://abload.de/img/03jspsz.png

https://abload.de/img/049hofn.png

https://abload.de/img/05b4oik.png

https://abload.de/img/067qrnn.png

https://abload.de/img/070bq8s.png

https://abload.de/img/08h8pce.png

https://abload.de/img/09kvrrd.png

[Sacredus]

http://cs633428.vk.me/v633428081/2c5be/r3poNW66DgQ.jpg
Oh my. W-Will it really happen? :uhoh:

But I have to say, Ikta is really rocking his new outfit!
You talk about something like this?
So author really killed Yatori because she was more popular that his waifu!
or
Author won! Now when Yatori is dead Ikta can end up with his waifu and not some most popular girl in series!
or
So author really killed Yatori to let Ikta bang Chamille without anyone interfering!
or even
So Chamille really is authors favorite character and he wanted to Ikta end with her but Yatori become more popular than he intended so he just killed her so Ikta could marry his waifu!!!!oneoneone
:joke:
But someone will really post something like this somewhere...

:heh:

[Kuroageha]

Or just happened what was obvious since the start because Yakitori was just a friend.


Let's see if my boy finally gives the D to the crazy fixes this mess.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Or just happened what was obvious since the start because Yakitori was just a friend.


I admit i'm lacking in material because i'm not in volume 2 but its quite clear Yatori is far more then just a friend. Those two are extremely close and if i was a betting man i'd say she was killed off because there's no way Yatori would've let Ikta go with the princess's plan. Those two are extremely close and they know each other as well as anybody. Saying they're just friends is an absoute lie.

[Kuroageha]

Then start reading instead.

[ShadowSamurai365]

Or just happened what was obvious since the start because Yakitori was just a friend.


Let's see if my boy finally gives the D to the crazy fixes this mess.

While it's true that not much was showing them being 'intimate'; with what's been shown in both translation and spoilers, saying they was 'just friends' is a serious understatement.

[Wandering Soul]

Oh my. W-Will it really happen? :uhoh:

But I have to say, Ikta is really rocking his new outfit!

Btw, volume 9 illustrations have been out for a while:
https://abload.de/img/020zofs.png

https://abload.de/img/03jspsz.png

https://abload.de/img/049hofn.png

https://abload.de/img/05b4oik.png

https://abload.de/img/067qrnn.png

https://abload.de/img/070bq8s.png

https://abload.de/img/08h8pce.png

https://abload.de/img/09kvrrd.png
Looks like it will. Can't say I'm surprised since the author does seem to have been building up to this for a while.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Then start reading instead.

Really cant so i have to wait for the manga.

[Kuroageha]

Then avoid throwing conclusions based on air. Isn't the first time you don't read the novels and still do that.

[Tenzen12]

Or just happened what was obvious since the start because Yakitori was just a friend.


Let's see if my boy finally gives the D to the crazy fixes this mess.

"Just friend" look lot of different from what we seen.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Then avoid throwing conclusions based on air. Isn't the first time you don't read the novels and still do that.

You didnt read what i said. Based on what I had read it was rather clear that they were more then friends. If you want more evidence how about we continue.
1. Yatori is the only one of the group who knew that Ikta's last name wasnt Solork and she kept that secret extremely close to the vest and she was incredibly unhappy when The princess found out.
2. As lecherous as he may be she still is around him fawning and joking sarcastically. Considering her nightly training thats something.
3. The two of them are on a completely different wavelength from the rest of the group. Shown when she seemed to predict his tactics during the mock battle.
4. Even amongst the rookies it was clear that the two of them have a special bond that they dont talk about. Although nothing is known something is implied.
5. When Ikta was about to smack the princess she stopped him and it wasnt because of her duty. Other times she's gone basically to get him out of dodge.
6. When Yatori freaked out during the mock battle he got close without receving any harm and calmed her.

There are other small things but there's way more then basic friendship even from the few volumes that are english translated.

[Crazy Frog]

http://cs633428.vk.me/v633428081/2c5be/r3poNW66DgQ.jpg

This is volume 10 cover page and it released 9 July.. same date as anime.. http://dengekibunko.jp/newreleases/978-4-04-892196-1/

[larethian]

Manga needs another thread if one wants to discuss manga without getting spoiled.

Yatori and Ikta are neither friends nor lovers. They see themselves as 2 halves of one. Their relationship are of a platonic nature that surpasses a romantic relationship between a man and a woman.

[DarkDooM]

Manga needs another thread if one wants to discuss manga without getting spoiled.

Yatori and Ikta are neither friends nor lovers. They see themselves as 2 halves of one. Their relationship are of a platonic nature that surpasses a romantic relationship between a man and a woman.

That's the feel I got from them when reading your summaries as well. Though I wonder if they'd have ended up in a romantic relationship somewhere down the road if Yatori hadn't died.

On that note, have you had the time to read volume 9 yet?

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

That's the feel I got from them when reading your summaries as well. Though I wonder if they'd have ended up in a romantic relationship somewhere down the road if Yatori hadn't died.

On that note, have you had the time to read volume 9 yet?

I got the sense that the two of them were perfectly okay with it staying as is.

[larethian]

That's the feel I got from them when reading your summaries as well. Though I wonder if they'd have ended up in a romantic relationship somewhere down the road if Yatori hadn't died.

On that note, have you had the time to read volume 9 yet?

Far from done. I'm busy with... re:zero... and type moon stuff...
But I can tell you the gist of v9 is about the instability that reigned since Chamille's iron fist rule. Both internal and external. It's rather dry so I'm reading it slowly. It ends with Ikta coming to his senses. It appears that both Chamille and the Knights are under threat and he needed to act.

As to the 'what if' scenario, this is just my opinion and can be debatable but I would say 'no'. Platonic love is often seen as a higher and greater form of love than romantic love which usually also contains a sexual innuendo. They would probably stay that way and since it's a greater form, there won't be any romantic partner for either of them which can take each other's place.

[DarkDooM]

It ends with Ikta coming to his senses. It appears that both Chamille and the Knights are under threat and he needed to act.

Do you know what Solvenarez has to do with him regaining his senses?

[Tenzen12]

As to the 'what if' scenario, this is just my opinion and can be debatable but I would say 'no'. Platonic love is often seen as a higher and greater form of love than romantic love which usually also contains a sexual innuendo. They would probably stay that way and since it's a greater form, there won't be any romantic partner for either of them which can take each other's place.

Not really just having or not having sex doesn't really determine how close two people are. Bond between Yatori and Ikta is extremely deep and (speaking strictly hypothetically) if they were to get together that wouldn't disappear just like that, only get new implications.

Well, anyway there are not many lovers/husbands that would be able endure being always second after close friend of opposite gender in heart of their mates.

[Lem]

New manga cover.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cldj9XgUsAMHMCJ.jpg:large

[Crazy Frog]

Vol 10 preview is out~ First illustration

http://dengekibunko.jp/books/1607alderamin10/book_img/pc_36.jpg

[kukun96]

i am really sad when i heard about Yatori Death , i have just want it's a joke , so in vol.10 ikta relationship with Chamille , right ?

[Ruki0089]

Yatori is dead? wow... that hollow women actually dead?

[larethian]

Abit uncomfortable with looking at Patrenshna Haro's goody-goody face in the anime now :heh:

[Lem]

http://cs633220.vk.me/v633220444/39e40/Xlxbfbuac7Q.jpg
http://cs633220.vk.me/v633220462/36b7b/mN4INpLLGnU.jpg
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http://cs633220.vk.me/v633220868/3a35b/cBrT1NHoJHg.jpg

[KikeLyne]

@Lem
That illustration of the meal.

I like to ask but, Is that Haro beside Torway?

[interupt]

^

Yes that is Haro beside Torway during meal time. Nice to see Jean pissed off because of Ikta finally come back to counter his strategy. Last illustration also Haro, is she gonna kill herself?

[larethian]

^ Looks like internal conflict between the personalities, Haro and Patrenshna

[Crazy Frog]

Sol look angry on 5th illustration, i bet who he gonna kill..

[KikeLyne]

Hope the illustration of Haro going to kill herself is during the conflict and not the last few pages.

I don't want it to be whammy that after all those stuff and the band being together again, she shares a final meal together with them, only for her murderous personality to force her to kill herself.

[larethian]

^ I think Haro is Haro here and plans to die before she betrays the knights to-the-point-of-no-return as Patrenshna. It was hinted that she has the self awareness of the other personality in volume 5, after the Phantom Corps spy in Yurgus fleet called her 'comrade'.

I think, because I haven't even started reading this volume yet. :heh:

[KikeLyne]

Looking forward for the summary when you have the time.

Thanks.

[Wandering Soul]

I'm curious about that picture of Chamille and Matthew. I don't think it will end too badly, but I'm still curious.

As for Haro, I have to agree that she is probably trying to kill herself to prevent her other personality from going to far and causing the downfall of her friends.

[Lnlover]

Thanks for the illustrations.Looking forward to the summary.

[latios507]

What is Ikta's relationship with Chamille as of Vol. 10?

[Nevarz]

Hi, I really do love this LN but I don't find a way to read it... Someone does have a solution for me ?

[hyddty]

Hi, I really do love this LN but I don't find a way to read it... Someone does have a solution for me ?

Have you ever look at Machine translator ? xD

[zztop]

So I just started reading the translated chapters after seeing the anime.
I was quite intrigued at the part describing the Katjavarna Emperor as having declined both physically and mentally despite being in his 40s - is it ever explained how and why this happened?

[Breimn]

Yes, after you finish reading translations go check spoilers at the usual place(if you dont know where just check thread)

[bakato]

Just finished rereading the entire thread. I am convinced that the death of a certain character was an act of good writing. People have been shipping Chamille and Ikta for a while now, but is that even possible from a political perspective? She's an empress and he's just a general.

[Nevarz]

Have you ever look at Machine translator ? xD

Oh thanks I'vn't heard about this

But translate by myself is long , isn't it ?

[latios507]

Just finished rereading the entire thread. I am convinced that the death of a certain character was an act of good writing. People have been shipping Chamille and Ikta for a while now, but is that even possible from a political perspective? She's an empress and he's just a general.

Good pair of you ask me.

[faiz blaster]

I guess what really needs to be asked now is how much longer this series is going to last? After all, the author seems to have rounded up most of the major plot lines in the last volume.

[latios507]

I guess what really needs to be asked now is how much longer this series is going to last? After all, the author seems to have rounded up most of the major plot lines in the last volume.

Oh, was there any development between Ikta and Chamille?

and uh Is there a way for me to get my hands on the translated volumes. Would love to get my hands on em

[interupt]

@larethian or moon reader

some anon post this at some site :

Ikta placed her body into cryogenic stasis to prevent it from deteriorating (assuming it is cryo stasis, her brain function could have been perserved as well if frozen not too long after her death, so she would be medically deceased, but not "dead", in a general sense), in the event revival was possible. The author probably did that to make her revival make more sense.

Is that true?

[larethian]

Cryogenic stasis? I pretty sure the anon used that pretty word himself. I only remembered him freezing her body with the water spirit after the battle in volume 7, which I presume to prevent it from rotting while they were unable to lay her to rest yet. Some people really know how to stretch their imagination.

99.999999% chance she's not going to get revived. It cheapens science in the story, cheapens the story, and is a nonsensical development. It's already like 3 years+ since she died. If she could be revived why wait? She died from blood loss and drew her last breath in Ikta's arms. Period.

[Lhklan]

Cryogenic stasis? I pretty sure the anon used that pretty word himself. I only remembered him freezing her body with the water spirit after the battle in volume 7, which I presume to prevent it from rotting while they were unable to lay her to rest yet. Some people really know how to stretch their imagination.

99.999999% chance she's not going to get revived. It cheapens science in the story, cheapens the story, and is a nonsensical development. It's already like 3 years+ since she died. If she could be revived why wait? She died from blood loss and drew her last breath in Ikta's arms. Period.

As much as I love Ikta x Yatori, I agree. I think It also cheapens everything that Yatori and Ikta shared, especially their last moment together

[B214]

As long as Ikta doesn't end with the Princess, i'm fine with the situation as they are. I don't know why but i just can't like the princess, something about her annoys me. If Ikta has to end up with someone, hopefully it's Haro.

[Tenzen12]

I actually like princess a lot, but her and Ikta together doesn't sound appropriate. I just can't imagine Ikta "live happily even after" with Yatori gone.

[Sacredus]

@larethian or moon reader

some anon post this at some site :

Ikta placed her body into cryogenic stasis to prevent it from deteriorating (assuming it is cryo stasis, her brain function could have been perserved as well if frozen not too long after her death, so she would be medically deceased, but not "dead", in a general sense), in the event revival was possible. The author probably did that to make her revival make more sense.

Is that true?
Author killed Yatori because she was popular than princess and want make Ikta x loli Chamille possible so why he would want to resurrect Yatori?
:joke:

Anyone though that I would miss a chance to post that? :p

Edit: That could be, even if is total BS, method to resurrect her/plan B in case if her death would cause a huge backslash and drop in sales but that not happened.

As long as Ikta doesn't end with the Princess, i'm fine with the situation as they are. I don't know why but i just can't like the princess, something about her annoys me. If Ikta has to end up with someone, hopefully it's Haro.
+1
Sadly cover of X volume might suggest that this LN is going to Chamille ending and nothing suggest that she might die at some point.

[B214]

It would have been better if the author didn't try to make Ikta x Chamille happen that it turned out to be so forced, this is like WWE trying to push Roman Reigns to the fans. It just doesn't sit right in the end. That forced relationship made the natural feel from Ikta and Yatori become even more obvious and to me that made the obviously forced Ikta x Chamille look way worse than it already is. Even Haro's interaction with Ikta feels more natural and intriguing than Chamille.

[larethian]

It would have been better if the author didn't try to make Ikta x Chamille happen that it turned out to be so forced, this is like WWE trying to push Roman Reigns to the fans. It just doesn't sit right in the end. That forced relationship made the natural feel from Ikta and Yatori become even more obvious and to me that made the obviously forced Ikta x Chamille look way worse than it already is. Even Haro's interaction with Ikta feels more natural and intriguing than Chamille.

You sure sound like you know a lot about the novel or what will happen in the future, don't you? Even if the development is not sufficient now, it doesn't mean it can't happen later. Or are you telling me you have traveled to the future, read the books and conclude from there that the development is 'forced' huh?

You know what is the difference between people who continue with the series after Yatori died and those who dropped it? The former read the story; the later read the spoilers.


On another note, it's possible Ikta ends up dying in the ending and not ends up with anyone romantically. I don't like main characters dying in the endings normally, but for once, I'm ok with this because Ikta and Yatori are 2 halves of one :)

[Okashira]

On another note, it's possible Ikta ends up dying in the ending and not ends up with anyone romantically. I don't like main characters dying in the endings normally, but for once, I'm ok with this because Ikta and Yatori are 2 halves of one :)

This. Considering how much "strength" the author added to that scene, I wouldn't be surprised if he has fitting ends planned for a good chunk of the cast; I certainly have been gotten the vibes that this series is not going to achieve the greater objective "cleanly", and I had gotten those even before volume 7 came out.

BTW, I love it whe authors have the guts to take it this far, specially when it's properly portrayed.

[Tenzen12]

Yeah, I also think Ikta dying would be "ideal" way to end it. And I am saying that as person who is not particularly fond of killing off main characters.

[amadraccoon]

See, I want her to come back, but at the same time, I think the story will become more sci-fi/supernatural depending on her method of resurrection. I wouldn't like that cuz that would take away from the environment of the story. I am sorta torn between whether or not i want her back. Maybe she'll come back at the end of the story super disabled and Ikta will retire to take care of her. Thus not being too miraculous nor killing off a fan favorite character. Or Ikta dies/disappears at the end. (Just what i want to happen in my dreams and fantasies.)

[B214]

You sure sound like you know a lot about the novel or what will happen in the future, don't you? Even if the development is not sufficient now, it doesn't mean it can't happen later. Or are you telling me you have traveled to the future, read the books and conclude from there that the development is 'forced' huh?

You know what is the difference between people who continue with the series after Yatori died and those who dropped it? The former read the story; the later read the spoilers.


On another note, it's possible Ikta ends up dying in the ending and not ends up with anyone romantically. I don't like main characters dying in the endings normally, but for once, I'm ok with this because Ikta and Yatori are 2 halves of one :)

How did you even reach that conclusion? I don't know what will happen okay nor did i ever say i know what will happen.

I'm just stating my dislike on how Ikta x Chamille is so forced from the author. The part when Yatori was dying made it even more painfully obvious. Yatori ask Ikta to take care of Chamille, saying all those things to ship them. Tell me if this isn't forced, what is? It's clear that Chamille has no chance to win from how he has panned out on Ikta and Yatori's relationship, so the author killed off Yatori while having her say all those things to push Ikta and Chamille together.

And yes Ikta might die, he might now i don't know i'm not the author after all. All i'm pointing out to at the moment is how the author is he's making Ikta x Chamille look like WWE trying to push Roman Reigns to the fans.

[larethian]

How did you even reach that conclusion? I don't know what will happen okay nor did i ever say i know what will happen.

I'm just stating my dislike on how Ikta x Chamille is so forced from the author. The part when Yatori was dying made it even more painfully obvious. Yatori ask Ikta to take care of Chamille, saying all those things to ship them. Tell me if this isn't forced, what is? It's clear that Chamille has no chance to win from how he has panned out on Ikta and Yatori's relationship, so the author killed off Yatori while having her say all those things to push Ikta and Chamille together.

And yes Ikta might die, he might now i don't know i'm not the author after all. All i'm pointing out to at the moment is how the author is he's making Ikta x Chamille look like WWE trying to push Roman Reigns to the fans.

In my understanding and opinion, you seem to be just expressing your own personal preference without regards to whether the development in the story is sensible or not. If you don't like and accept how the author moves the story and places the pieces, you judged it to be 'forced', without sufficient blind faith that the author knows exactly what he is doing. This is not how I judge literature. What's forced means to me it doesn't make sense or it does not feel natural and does not 'click'.

And in the first place, the development has not even started much yet; it doesn't mean it can't happen later. What matters is whether it makes sense or not later and whether the reader can buy into it comfortably or not.

But wait, first question, have you read the novels yet? It'd be really amazing if you haven't even read the text and able to make a judgement, or able to predict the end result is 'forced' when the books are still running. I'm too stupid to comprehend this kind of seer-like ability. We are not even on the same page on how we interpret or enjoy stories so the discussion can end here.

But let's just say you have read the books (and I apologize for my earlier remark if this is the case) and a proficient reader (you know how higher grade reading comprehension tests really tests one's comprehension of a passage in a language test right?), then aren't you being a bit of a presumptuous time-traveler?

One of the best examples I can quote on people being presumptuous and prejudge too early is RE:ZERO, about Rem from arc 2 to arc 3, and later on Emilia. It's very hard for viewers to fathom how Rem can be 'best girl' according to raving fans with the interactions between Subaru and Emilia, especially after that lap pillow scene. "It will not make sense. It will be inconsistent with what the show has been portraying so far". But arc 3 proved them wrong. Now it will be hard for them to fathom how Emilia can get a good amount of development that might rival Rem's in later arcs. There are still people who can't learn from this and started judging that there's no way Emilia's development could beat Rem's perfect confession. This is definitely one of the best shows in teaching people not to prejudge how future developments will pan out and the level of quality behind those unfolding developments. RE:ZERO has very cringeworthy dialogue choices at times but other than that, its plot is top tier. But I digress.

I acknowledge that initially, I have problems with character fleshing and development and how it's paced, but later on I understood why the author postponed certain character developments later on to tie in with the story progress.

Now, it might happen as you say, but right now, I'm giving the benefit of doubt that the development can happen satisfactorily, ie. if it happens in the first place. Or it might just be a one-sided thing forever. Even in volumes 8 and 9, Chamille still knew well enough that she is unable to take the place of Yatori in Ikta's heart. If anything, the author is certainly not jumping into a romantic development between the two. Unfortunately I'm still waiting for the ebook version of v10 so I'm not caught up yet.

Overall, I prefer to judge the coherency of the story and developments on its own, from the big picture perspective, and express my plot preferences separately.

[Sacredus]

One of the best examples I can quote on people being presumptuous and prejudge too early is RE:ZERO, about Rem from arc 2 to arc 3, and later on Emilia. It's very hard for viewers to fathom how Rem can be 'best girl' according to raving fans with the interactions between Subaru and Emilia, especially after that lap pillow scene. "It will not make sense. It will be inconsistent with what the show has been portraying so far". But arc 3 proved them wrong. Now it will be hard for them to fathom how Emilia can get a good amount of development that might rival Rem's in later arcs. There are still people who can't learn from this and started judging that there's no way Emilia's development could beat Rem's perfect confession. This is definitely one of the best shows in teaching people not to prejudge how future developments will pan out and the level of quality behind those unfolding developments. RE:ZERO has very cringeworthy dialogue choices at times but other than that, its plot is top tier. But I digress.
You're comparing Emilia and Rem with case of Yatori and annoying loli Chamille? No matter how story will develop her and how many time will pass in LN/anime, for me Chamille will always be just a annoying loli. Also, there's big difference is how they were introduced. Did Rem started as "save me plz" character and Subaru need to rescue her... fer times?

[B214]

In my understanding and opinion, you seem to be just expressing your own personal preference without regards to whether the development in the story is sensible or not. If you don't like and accept how the author moves the story and places the pieces, you judged it to be 'forced', without sufficient blind faith that the author knows exactly what he is doing. This is not how I judge literature. What's forced means to me it doesn't make sense or it does not feel natural and does not 'click'.

And in the first place, the development has not even started much yet; it doesn't mean it can't happen later. What matters is whether it makes sense or not later and whether the reader can buy into it comfortably or not.

But wait, first question, have you read the novels yet? It'd be really amazing if you haven't even read the text and able to make a judgement, or able to predict the end result is 'forced' when the books are still running. I'm too stupid to comprehend this kind of seer-like ability. We are not even on the same page on how we interpret or enjoy stories so the discussion can end here.

But let's just say you have read the books (and I apologize for my earlier remark if this is the case) and a proficient reader (you know how higher grade reading comprehension tests really tests one's comprehension of a passage in a language test right?), then aren't you being a bit of a presumptuous time-traveler?

One of the best examples I can quote on people being presumptuous and prejudge too early is RE:ZERO, about Rem from arc 2 to arc 3, and later on Emilia. It's very hard for viewers to fathom how Rem can be 'best girl' according to raving fans with the interactions between Subaru and Emilia, especially after that lap pillow scene. "It will not make sense. It will be inconsistent with what the show has been portraying so far". But arc 3 proved them wrong. Now it will be hard for them to fathom how Emilia can get a good amount of development that might rival Rem's in later arcs. There are still people who can't learn from this and started judging that there's no way Emilia's development could beat Rem's perfect confession. This is definitely one of the best shows in teaching people not to prejudge how future developments will pan out and the level of quality behind those unfolding developments. RE:ZERO has very cringeworthy dialogue choices at times but other than that, its plot is top tier. But I digress.

I acknowledge that initially, I have problems with character fleshing and development and how it's paced, but later on I understood why the author postponed certain character developments later on to tie in with the story progress.

Now, it might happen as you say, but right now, I'm giving the benefit of doubt that the development can happen satisfactorily, ie. if it happens in the first place. Or it might just be a one-sided thing forever. Even in volumes 8 and 9, Chamille still knew well enough that she is unable to take the place of Yatori in Ikta's heart. If anything, the author is certainly not jumping into a romantic development between the two. Unfortunately I'm still waiting for the ebook version of v10 so I'm not caught up yet.

Overall, I prefer to judge the coherency of the story and developments on its own, from the big picture perspective, and express my plot preferences separately.

Well it would've helped if Yatori didn't go "you don't have to protect the country, even if it's Chamille alone" thing. And after something happen, Ikta suddenly awakens to and gain the determination to protect the princess. What? Then we're handed the 2 years timeskip and boom this is Ikta and Chamille two years later? Excuse me?

And Chamille's character barely evolved from the annoying bratty girl she was in the beginning. I don't care if you think it's prejudice from me, and it might be me being prejudice but to me the fact is and will always be that, the princess is annoying and her relationship with Ikta is nonsensical hence forced to me.

[Tenzen12]

You mean aside of coming with sensible plan involving saving country and it's people by sacrificing own family and probably own life as well?

Yeah Chamile is same as any other one dimensional loli...

[larethian]

You're comparing Emilia and Rem with case of Yatori and annoying loli Chamille? No matter how story will develop her and how many time will pass in LN/anime, for me Chamille will always be just a annoying loli. Also, there's big difference is how they were introduced. Did Rem started as "save me plz" character and Subaru need to rescue her... fer times?
Rem was introduced as a psychopath. Chamille started as a kid in this series, now an adolescent approaching full adult maturity If you know her background she definitely needs saving. It starts with volume 4/5 in fact.

Lastly I'm not even comparing characters, so that is beside the point. How did you even get the idea? Re-read my post carefully please. Are people so invested into ships emotionally that they can't even take the time to read a post carefully? I'm not comparing Rem with Chamille. In fact I also talked about how Emilia will get future development and people will not be able to fathom how it's going to happen. Now, am I suddenly comparing Emilia with Chamille in the 2nd half of my example? I was giving an example of how a well developed story can change people's perceptions of characters and overwrite prejudgements, which were made without knowledge of the 'future'.

I'm not even for Chamille or defending her per se. My gripe is with people using their personal preference as a criterion for judgement and foretelling how good or bad it will be, rather than looking at the big picture and evaluating a work based on its own merit. It is one thing to express doubt or having low expectations and another to assert that one will never buy into it no matter how the author goes about it.

But this discussion is already moot if I'm talking to people who haven't even read the books and not interpreting and evaluating based on what was written. It will be a more fruitful disagreement otherwise. In fact, since you already claimed that "Chamille will always be an annoying loli", so you've already made up your mind, you've already decided that she will always be one regardless of what future development can hold for her, so there's really no room for debate anymore.


Well it would've helped if Yatori didn't go "you don't have to protect the country, even if it's Chamille alone" thing. And after something happen, Ikta suddenly awakens to and gain the determination to protect the princess. What? Then we're handed the 2 years timeskip and boom this is Ikta and Chamille two years later? Excuse me?

And Chamille's character barely evolved from the annoying bratty girl she was in the beginning. I don't care if you think it's prejudice from me, and it might be me being prejudice but to me the fact is and will always be that, the princess is annoying and her relationship with Ikta is nonsensical hence forced to me.

That's so far from the truth that it's funny how you can assert it so confidently. How can a fact be the same as prejudice? Yours does sound more like the later than a fact. Or we are using different definitions of the word 'fact' yeah?

In v4 or 5, she shared her experiences in Kioka and her insights into the future of empire in such alacrity that Ikta remained silent throughout and listened to her. In volume 9, she knew just from the initial reports that Sazaruhf and Matthew were walking into a trap set by Kioka. She then mobilized her army and personally led them on a rescue mission to save them. She could have just sent Torway without moving her butt. That act alone increases her likeability with me by quite a fewfold.

I don't want to quote more examples without referring to the books and typing from mobile is hard. :p

[B214]

That's so far from the truth that it's funny how you can assert it so confidently. How can a fact be the same as prejudice? Yours does sound more like the later than a fact. Or we are using different definitions of the word 'fact' yeah?

In v4 or 5, she shared her experiences in Kioka and her insights into the future of empire in such alacrity that Ikta remained silent throughout and listened to her. In volume 9, she knew just from the initial reports that Sazaruhf and Matthew were walking into a trap set by Kioka. She then mobilized her army and personally led them on a rescue mission to save them. She could have just sent Torway without moving her butt. That act alone increases her likeability with me by quite a fewfold.

I don't want to quote more examples without referring to the books and typing from mobile is hard. :p

I was talking about her personality, and you're talking about her intelligence. And no, doing those things doesn't make her better as a character, it just makes her a competent one. A likable character and a competent character are different things.

I understand, she got send as a political tool and seen some very bad stuff throughout that time, Ikta went through a harsh past too. So it's not a matter of her being competent or not, it's a simple fact that she's just not likable. To me, Chamille hasn't done anything that makes her likable.

And i'll be the first to admit, aside from Ikta & Matthew, i barely like any of the other characters in this series. Yatori is a competent character just like the princess too, but same as her, she's not really what i would call a likable character. The only good thing with her was her relationship with Ikta, which made it passable for her. Unfortunately, Chamille falls behind in that criteria, the author trying to cover that through Yatori's death and Ikta, just doesn't sit right with me, cause it felt like he taking the easy way out. In fact the moment the time skip occur, there's like a huge blank/scar left behind in the story.

[Tenzen12]

OK, she is good and competent person. For most people including me (and if I can dare judge from this discussion Larethian too) that would be enough find her or in matter of fact any other character likeable.

You should correct yourself and say you don't like her, rather than incorrectly claim she is unlikable.

@>Lare> Feel free correct me as I am not exactly comfortable with speaking for others like in this case.

[Enternal]

@B214
People grow up and change. They don't remain static. What larethian is saying that she may have developed and changed through all the experiences that she had went through whether it was voluntarily or involuntarily. Therefore you need to give her a chance and see for who she is now and not for who she is as a young child. You can't simply judge someone to be the same person years from now. Be flexible and allow the author to show the development that happened between the two in those two years in the time skip as well as how she had grown and the things she had done during that time and after wards rather than being absolute that she will "always be an annoying loli".

"To me, Chamille hasn't done anything that makes her likable."
Are you talking about her competency or her personality here? Either way, you don't know what she had done during those two years nor afterwards. Nor do you know how her personality is now. From what larethian said, it's clear that she's becoming quite competent as a ruler. As for her personality, she's no longer the same child that was introduced. So all the things we know about her personality and skills are no longer as relevant. It's even more of a problem for a non-reader as there is a lot more missing information and development.

@larethian
About ReZero, it's pretty funny. To be honest, I'm an Emilia fan and still am. Then Rem's scene came and disrupt everything. I'm not surprised and still am an Emilia fan because if the author is amazing, he/she will one day make Emilia return and triumph over the scene with Rem. And even more amazing, make Rem return once more and trump once that. Basically anything can happen and as a reader, you really don't know so it's best to just sit back, relax, try not to make any resolute judgements, and see where the author takes you. Sounds kind of like life.

[B214]

OK, she is good and competent person. For most people including me (and if I can dare judge from this discussion Larethian too) that would be enough find her or in matter of fact any other character likeable.

You should correct yourself and say you don't like her, rather than incorrectly claim she is unlikable.

@>Lare> Feel free correct me as I am not exactly comfortable with speaking for others like in this case.

I don't dislike her as a character okay, i'm actually quite neutral to her like i am to Yatori and other characters. I just don't like how the author is pushing her relationship with Ikta, it's done in a way that it makes her look dependent on Ikta when she herself is other said is competent yet she keeps depending on Ikta.

@Enternal, you mean to say the fact that she became borderline obsessive with Ikta is a sign of growing up....

[amadraccoon]

I don't dislike her as a character okay, i'm actually quite neutral to her like i am to Yatori and other characters. I just don't like how the author is pushing her relationship with Ikta, it's done in a way that it makes her look dependent on Ikta when she herself is other said is competent yet she keeps depending on Ikta.

@Enternal, you mean to say the fact that she became borderline obsessive with Ikta is a sign of growing up....

I don't know as I have not read the actual novel past what baka-tsuki has and only larethian's spoilers, but the Ikta and chamille relation has been building (albeit more subtly than with yatori) since the beginning. It isn't exactly forced imo, just more low key than yatori.
IMO, yatori's death (though tragic) was actually pretty good for the plot dev, because i am somewhat bored of stories where the environment is war and such and all the main characters come out unscathed. It's WAR and people DIE. Plus, you cant tell just by vol 10 cover that Chamille is going to end up with Ikta, cuz Uno was shipping Yatori since the beginning. She might just drop dead like Yatori too.
Just my opinion btw. Just have to wait and see what happens vol 9 and afterwards.

[Enternal]

@ B214
Once again, have you actually read? If you haven't, you really don't have anything to really base on to judge whether she's grown or not or whether she's obsessive or not due to lack of information of the development and the dialogue. You're not even listening to the people who are actually read the novel and still continuing to stick with "annoying loli", "forced", and now "borderline obsessive with Ikta."

On the other point, let's just say that she is borderline obsessive with Ikta. That means she still has something that has not changed (just like most people, we have a thing or two that don't really change, change very little, or change further in our life). However, for her to be a competent ruler, her previous personality would not have allowed her to be where she is today. Therefore she would had to change and learned a lot of things and those things will cause her to grow up in many aspects. So yes she's growing up and those aspects that haven't "grown up", we will have to wait and see.

"I don't dislike her as a character okay, i'm actually quite neutral to her like i am to Yatori and other characters. I just don't like how the author is pushing her relationship with Ikta, it's done in a way that it makes her look dependent on Ikta when she herself is other said is competent yet she keeps depending on Ikta."
I would rather say that with Yatori gone, Ikta is now the only person left that she really has that she can trust. The same could be said about Ikta.

[B214]

The same could be said about Ikta.

Kus, Matthew, Torway, Haro, Suya. You sure Ikta has no one to trust at all?

I'll admit, i only skim through the events till V8, i don't remember most of it, and i haven't seen any volume post 8. Still V8 left a bad impression on me. Time skip, brief explanation on what happen to others and everything else was handed mostly to Chamille and Ikta.

One can say V8 is a fresh start, so of course it won't shed light on all, so i went to my friend who bought and read the book for spoilers. And for being someone who supported Chamille from the start, him being disappointed with how V9 turn out due to it being a more political and fail romance focus with Chamille than military and self doubting focus with Haro, doesn't sound good to me.

I actually lost interest in what he said after i heard about Ikta deciding to hide the truth about Haro's status from Chamille for Haro's own safety. Apparently Ikta stop sleeping with women after Chamille executed the previous woman he slept with.

He might be toying with me on the last point cause he knows i hate Yandere, he might not but either way, V9 having less focus on Haro seems to be true.

[Crazy Frog]

I actually lost interest in what he said after i heard about Ikta deciding to hide the truth about Haro's status from Chamille for Haro's own safety.

Yes that is true from vol 10, maybe if Chamille knew about Haro she will execute her or that is not time yet for Haro to died.

[mnedel]

Can anyone spoil me please? I am interested in what happens with Torway, his brothers and Remion family in general. I have only watched the anime but don't mind the spoilers. Thanks

[interupt]

Can anyone spoil me please? I am interested in what happens with Torway, his brothers and Remion family in general. I have only watched the anime but don't mind the spoilers. Thanks

Forget already, better you read larethian volume summary (https://www.baka-tsuki.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=11080) for more. Basically his brother care for him because of that they don't want Torway to join the army.

[latios507]

So, which ship are you guys rooting for? and What's up with Haro being in bad situation that Ikta had to lie to Chamille?

I have no idea what happened in Vol. 11
Until I can read or get my hands on the translated novel... I'll be rooting for Ikta x Chamille

[Wandering Soul]

What's up with Haro being in bad situation that Ikta had to lie to Chamille?



Haro is actually a sleeper agent that has a dormant personality that is loyal to Kioka. If Chamille found out about that, she would have to kill her.

[latios507]

Haro is actually a sleeper agent that has a dormant personality that is loyal to Kioka. If Chamille found out about that, she would have to kill her.


OH. Man, if I were in Chamille shoes I would've done the same thing.

[amadraccoon]

So, which ship are you guys rooting for?

Ikta x no one FTW

and my man Matthew has stuff going with Polmy, so I'll root for that (Matt is my 3rd fave char)

[Tenzen12]

Yeah, I am hardcore shipper of Ikta x No one too. Best ship ever.

[amadraccoon]

Yeah, but sadly from the pics of vol 10, it's probably gonna end with Ikta and Chamille (unless she dies too, lol)

[Tenzen12]

Well images can be rather misleading at the times and we have very little confirmation about actual context, so I don't think that ship even exist for sure less assume how serious it is and I don't intent jump into that kind of conclusion until some moonrunes reader say the word or two about it.

On unrelated note, I was pretty sure Yatori platoon were cavalry, but anime made them just another troopers. Did I remembered it wrong?

[amadraccoon]

Yeah, vol 10's been out a while, but i dont know when any summary will come out. none on the wiki about it. And I barely know anything about vol 9, so yeah. I wish someone would give us a few more summaries like vol 2-8 from larethian. Thanks larethian, they were great btw.

[hinkevin17]

Yeah, I have read all the summary vol 2-7 from larethian, too. Thank larethian. But someone can tell me about the scene about matthew and charmille in vol 9-10. I want to know.. T.T.

[interupt]

so who notice this scene from anime opening? http://i.4cdn.org/a/1471243153371.jpg

[amadraccoon]

That's kana's (iir her name correctly) headband.

[watz97]

I've been thinking about the epilogue on volume 1 when Anarai hypothesized that the spirits might have been created artificially by an ancient civilization, if they had the technology to create artificial beings and move their consciousness(or program) around there is the 0.000001% chance that yatori might be saved thanks to finding those ancient civilization ruins. Because, you know, from what I've read so far she wasn't buried but frozen, so her body is not decaying. I don't think the author just decided to freeze her for 3+ years just for.the sake of it.
Well all this crumbles if she was buried while ikta was in his vacant state
Just a crazy theory.

[watisit]

Do the spirits appear in front of a newborn/child and the contract is made there? Or does the contractor have to go somewhere to contract them?

[Tenzen12]

Considering spirit core can reincarnated in Alderamin temple, I would assume contract is made there as well (of course Shinak and other "pagans) will have likely different place for that).

[Zefyris]

Just finished volume 9. Dear lord someone please stop her. I would have preferred 10 times an assassin than THAT. So much cruelty, so much innocent deaths in her plans. And the way she's abusing the kindness of great peoples around her to create the various situation is just awful, awful. This may be one of the most unbearable way to betray others I've ever seen in a novel. That's very painful to read, not because it's badly written, but because how ridiculously evil what she does is.

Or just happened what was obvious since the start because Yakitori was just a friend.


Let's see if my boy finally gives the D to the crazy fixes this mess.

Make your choice
Because Yatori was just a friend
or
because Yakitori was just fried

but not a mix of the two :heh:

[reaperunique]

Anyone already have a review of novel 10 I'm really curious for what happens after Ikta snaps out of his BSOD.

[Zefyris]

"That" refers to what I'm describing in the following sentence.

[Luccifer]

I've been thinking about the epilogue on volume 1 when Anarai hypothesized that the spirits might have been created artificially by an ancient civilization, if they had the technology to create artificial beings and move their consciousness(or program) around there is the 0.000001% chance that yatori might be saved thanks to finding those ancient civilization ruins. Because, you know, from what I've read so far she wasn't buried but frozen, so her body is not decaying. I don't think the author just decided to freeze her for 3+ years just for.the sake of it.
Well all this crumbles if she was buried while ikta was in his vacant state
Just a crazy theory.

Not really. If you think about it, science is one of the themes in this novel, I could totally see Ikta applying ancient technology in warfare, maybe, even a tactical bomb. His theory isn't exactly "crazy".

[Justice_Rises]

Does anyone have summaries of Volumes 9 & 10.

[zztop]

Just finished volume 9. Dear lord someone please stop her. I would have preferred 10 times an assassin than THAT. So much cruelty, so much innocent deaths in her plans. And the way she's abusing the kindness of great peoples around her to create the various situation is just awful, awful. This may be one of the most unbearable way to betray others I've ever seen in a novel. That's very painful to read, not because it's badly written, but because how ridiculously evil what she does is.


So what kind of sleeper agent is she, if not an outright assassin, and what is her mission? Does she actually have a dual personality?

[Zefyris]

Double personality, with each being conscious of the other and of what the other does. However the "nice" personality doesn't feel any sadness nor remorse about what the other did.

Sabotage. agent provocateur, covert operative. Everything goes wrong, twisted. Orchestrating revolts or uprising, increasing doubts, or making sure that peoples doing that do not get caught on time by the authorities, by sabotaging the search, and the like. An assassin just kills one to a few peoples in a mission. In her missions, thousands of peoples that should be allies ends up killing each other, leaving a deep psychic scar to all of them afterwards, exploiting gentleness of peoples around her to twist things badly, and so on. By far the worst type of betrayal you can have.

[XxlapsxX]

Hello guys, im super hyped with this series, however, i cant find any trnslated versio (one which keep up with the anime) i think translation has stopped :( its a shame

[Crazy Frog]

Hello guys, im super hyped with this series, however, i cant find any trnslated versio (one which keep up with the anime) i think translation has stopped :( its a shame

Helidwarf tl kinda busy with his real life and i don't know he still alive or not.

[Justice_Rises]

Volumes 9 & 10 have been out for a while now and I dont get why no one has translated them or given summaries of the novels.

I'm dying to find out what is happening ever since the you know what happened.

[Rokumonsen]

At what part did the anime ended?

[seiftis]

So, which ship are you guys rooting for? and What's up with Haro being in bad situation that Ikta had to lie to Chamille?


My ship sunk without Yatori in the story :(
To me she's most interesting

At what part did the anime ended?
At vol 3

[Rokumonsen]

My ship sunk without Yatori in the story :(
To me she's most interesting

Looking at other sites, people are still salty that Yatori is gone.

[Justice_Rises]

Looking at other sites, people are still salty that Yatori is gone.

WHO WOULDN'T BE?! You don't do that to your main characters! I'm still mad thats for sure.

[Lem]

It's interesting when some people complain about main characters not dying in story about war, but when main characters dying they complain too, lol.

[Rokumonsen]

WHO WOULDN'T BE?! You don't do that to your main characters! I'm still mad thats for sure.

Romeo and Juliet died at the end of their story no one bats an eye...

This novel's (arguably) best girl dies everybody loses their minds. :heh:

But, seriously. We saw a lot of ASOIAF and Urobuchi works already. Writers can do anything they want with their characters.

[Tenzen12]

I don't have problem with her dying (though I obviously hate it), but don't wish meet me if I found author did it for some stupid shipping reasons.

[Rokumonsen]

I don't have problem with her dying (though I obviously hate it), but don't wish meet me if I found author did it for some stupid shipping reasons.

There's a reason Hyuuga Neji is considered the best wingman of all time. :heh: :p :D

[Zefyris]

I don't have problem with her dying (though I obviously hate it), but don't wish meet me if I found author did it for some stupid shipping reasons.

There was a lot of reason to have her dying for the plot, and not especially for shipping reason. Ikta always considered Yatori like his last remaining family (think, like twins), not like a potential lover.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Romeo and Juliet died at the end of their story no one bats an eye...

This novel's (arguably) best girl dies everybody loses their minds. :heh:

But, seriously. We saw a lot of ASOIAF and Urobuchi works already. Writers can do anything they want with their characters.

Thats such a ridiculous comparison. Anybody who knows Romeo and Juliet knows its a tragedy this one Yatori's death was just woah.

There was a lot of reason to have her dying for the plot, and not especially for shipping reason. Ikta always considered Yatori like his last remaining family (think, like twins), not like a potential lover.

I'd make the argument that she was a huge lover. I'd make the argument that Yatori was his number 1 love but because of the militaristic lifestyle she lives they cant pursue it. If i completed his objective i bet one of the first things he does is marry her.

The main reason to have Yatori die is that Ikta would never be what the princess wanted as long as Yatori was alive.

Its a similar idea to why Shirley was killed off in Code Geass (Though a huge argument can be made Nunally's death was the breaking point). You needed him dedicated to a specific goal and anybody who could stop that goal would be a liability.

[Rokumonsen]

Thats such a ridiculous comparison. Anybody who knows Romeo and Juliet knows its a tragedy this one Yatori's death was just woah.

This story is about war. Expect anyone to die unless the author do otherwise.

The main reason to have Yatori die is that Ikta would never be what the princess wanted as long as Yatori was alive.

I also believe this.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

This story is about war. Expect anyone to die unless the author do otherwise.


True expect anybody to die but of all people to have Yatori was a huge blow

[Rokumonsen]

True expect anybody to die but of all people to have Yatori was a huge blow

You haven't watched Gundam. A lot of loveable and interesting characters there kicked the bucket.

[teddychan]

any spoilers for volume 9 and 10 ?

[Shadow5YA]

Romeo and Juliet died at the end of their story no one bats an eye...

This novel's (arguably) best girl dies everybody loses their minds. :heh:

But, seriously. We saw a lot of ASOIAF and Urobuchi works already. Writers can do anything they want with their characters.

That's not even a remotely accurate analogy.

In Shakespeare's play, the narrator foreshadows Romeo and Juliet's fates in the opening verses. Everyone already knows they're going to die.

That's not to mention that both of them were reckless teenagers who were actually not all that bright.

[amadraccoon]

So I am actually fine with yatori dying as tragic plot advancement, though it was depressing. But what truly matters is what the author does now. If ikta ends up as chamilles lover then I'll be pissed cuz that proves the author killed her for shipping reasons. And by the looks of vol 10 pics, he probably did! Ikta should end up with no one in the end. PS I wudda hate it if yatori is resurrected, ruins the whole story.

[Rokumonsen]

So I am actually fine with yatori dying as tragic plot advancement, though it was depressing. But what truly matters is what the author does now. If ikta ends up as chamilles lover then I'll be pissed cuz that proves the author killed her for shipping reasons. And by the looks of vol 10 pics, he probably did! Ikta should end up with no one in the end. PS I wudda hate it if yatori is resurrected, ruins the whole story.

There were signs already that Ikta and the Princess will end up together even before Yatori kicked the bucket.

But this story is already heading towards a somewhat tragic end, with Ikta dying. So that pairing won't last long. :heh:

[amadraccoon]

There were signs already that Ikta and the Princess will end up together even before Yatori kicked the bucket.

But this story is already heading towards a somewhat tragic end, with Ikta dying. So that pairing won't last long. :heh:

that would be GREAT! Ikta dying would make the story good

[amadraccoon]

has anyone read vol 10? mind giving me a short spoiler paragraph?

[Tenzen12]

There were signs already that Ikta and the Princess will end up together even before Yatori kicked the bucket.

But this story is already heading towards a somewhat tragic end, with Ikta dying. So that pairing won't last long. :heh:

I don't think there were. At least I don't remember any. Sure princess had that precious crush on him, but there were nothing going other way.

Well, I don't mind if you refresh my memory and prove me wrong.

[Crazy Frog]

Volume 11 will release 10 November 2016.

http://dengekibunko.jp/ss/dengekibunko/uploads/978-4-04-892471-9-200x281.jpg

source : http://dengekibunko.jp/newreleases/978-4-04-892471-9/

New character? Based on preview Ikta rank rise to Field Marshal 元帥 in this volume.

[Waxman]

I almost believed that was Ikta's child.
.
If he had a child with one of his earlier flings it could be an interesting addition to the cast but i believe the characters we have so far are good enough.

[Justice_Rises]

It's interesting when some people complain about main characters not dying in story about war, but when main characters dying they complain too, lol.

Who's complaining?

[Zefyris]

Who's complaining?

Lots of people. For both points.

Also, Yatoiri was the only main character that could die for the plot. She was stalling the protagonist's evolution as well as was the only character that both had her past already covered and wasn't evolving as a character anymore.

Any other choice would have been fairly bad.

[B214]

Lots of people. For both points.

Also, Yatoiri was the only main character that could die for the plot. She was stalling the protagonist's evolution as well as was the only character that both had her past already covered and wasn't evolving as a character anymore.

Any other choice would have been fairly bad.

The author had the option of making Ikta killing Yatori himself out of the need to protect his allies/subordinates. That could've made things look better to show how dark and severe things went to the point where Ikta had to kill the one he wanted to protect above all. That might have provided a better development for Ikta's character and give Yatori's death a much grander meaning than dying as shipping tool. Don't even say her death was good, the author hype the Ikta-Yatori conflict so much in earlier volumes only for it to end in a considerably lame way.

[Zefyris]

The author had the option of making Ikta killing Yatori himself out of the need to protect his allies/subordinates. That could've made things look better to show how dark and severe things went to the point where Ikta had to kill the one he wanted to protect above all. That might have provided a better development for Ikta's character and give Yatori's death a much grander meaning than dying as shipping tool. Don't even say her death was good, the author hype the Ikta-Yatori conflict so much in earlier volumes only for it to end in a considerably lame way.

that's against Ikta's personality, he would have never done that. destroying any form of logic for the sake of being darker is something middle/high schooler would do, not professional writers. And she didn't die as a shipping tool.

[B214]

that's against Ikta's personality, he would have never done that. destroying any form of logic for the sake of being darker is something middle/high schooler would do, not professional writers. And she didn't die as a shipping tool.

Many would argue otherwise, but the fact remains that Yatori did ask Ikta to protect Chamille not as a princess but as a girl and Ikta did comply. That counts as shipping tool already. That is called shipping tool, if you're going to argue that she's not, then i'm gonna assume that it's your personal distaste on Yatori which made you ignore that.

And it's precisely because it goes against the personality that it becomes a good development. Well it's probably because i'm a Code Geass fan that i wanted Ikta to kill Yatori. I feel that it will somehow parallel Lelouch killing Euphie. And that act stuck with Lelouch till he died. When Nunnally was reveal to be alive and turn into Lelouch's enemy, like in you said, it would go against Lelouch's character to do that too, but he did. That's how death is generally suppose to impact someone. Unfortunately, i can't really see the impact of Yatori's death on Ikta's character as much as on Euphie on Lelouch.

And it could've made a good subplot with Torway too.

[Zefyris]

Many would argue otherwise, but the fact remains that Yatori did ask Ikta to protect Chamille not as a princess but as a girl and Ikta did comply. That counts as shipping tool already. That is called shipping tool, if you're going to argue that she's not, then i'm gonna assume that it's your personal distaste on Yatori which made you ignore that.

And it's precisely because it goes against the personality that it becomes a good development. Well it's probably because i'm a Code Geass fan that i wanted Ikta to kill Yatori. I feel that it will somehow parallel Lelouch killing Euphie. And that act stuck with Lelouch till he died. When Nunnally was reveal to be alive and turn into Lelouch's enemy, like in you said, it would go against Lelouch's character to do that too, but he did. That's how death is generally suppose to impact someone. Unfortunately, i can't really see the impact of Yatori's death on Ikta's character as much as on Euphie on Lelouch.

And it could've made a good subplot with Torway too.
Like a brother would not abandon a little sister, not as a lover. She never specified lover or anything...

If you're not aware of that, ikta and chamille already slept together since volume 6 or 7...
The author is clearly NOT going into the direction of a ship between chamille and Ikta as to volume 9.

Are you serious? No impact? He remained prostrated for 2 years after that...

[B214]

Like a brother would not abandon a little sister, not as a lover. She never specified lover or anything...

If you're not aware of that, ikta and chamille already slept together since volume 6 or 7...
The author is clearly NOT going into the direction of a ship between chamille and Ikta as to volume 9.

Are you serious? No impact? He remained prostrated for 2 years after that...

I never said there is no impact, i just said the impact felt weak compared to the Lelouch-Euphie incident. Probably because it's animated, i can see and feel the turmoil in Lelouch better, here i just felt oh Ikta just sat there doing nothing for 2 years. I'll admit it's a good way to show Ikta's despair and how important Yatori is to him but not really what i would call impactful to the character. Or maybe it's because the author just fast forward 2 years later without showing much of in between.

P.s. My Japanese isn't really the best, i can't read word by word, so i might've missed out important sentences/points in between. If i did, please forgive me. Also haven't read 9 and above just heard bits from my friends.

[Tenzen12]

Lots of people. For both points.

Also, Yatoiri was the only main character that could die for the plot. She was stalling the protagonist's evolution as well as was the only character that both had her past already covered and wasn't evolving as a character anymore.

Any other choice would have been fairly bad.

You got it backwards, it's not like Yatori wasn't evolving anymore. She wasn't evolving YET. Ikta whole raison d'être was allow her to move forward of her own will, then he would be able do same. Killing her is same as deny character development to BOTH of them and making them tool of plot, without own will.

It's not like it's bad thing for tragedy work though, but if it goes with that route there should be no Ikta x Chamile Happy end. In first place Considering date of country could never compare to Yatori in matter of importance Ikta us already on bad end route. And it's terrible idea trying sugarcoat it.

[Zefyris]

You got it backwards, it's not like Yatori wasn't evolving anymore. She wasn't evolving YET. Ikta whole raison d'être was allow her to move forward of her own will, then he would be able do same. Killing her is same as deny character development to BOTH of them and making them tool of plot, without own will.

It's not like it's bad thing for tragedy work though, but if it goes with that route there should be no Ikta x Chamile Happy end. In first place Considering date of country could never compare to Yatori in matter of importance Ikta us already on bad end route. And it's terrible idea trying sugarcoat it.
No, Ikta knew from his high school period that Yatori would not evolve. He pretty much acknowledged the futility of trying that route after he proposed to Yatori to have sex with her to make her pregnant. And that's why he stopped going that way during that time, as he said to Yatori afterwards, that doesn't work, so he's in a need of something different to save her, and he gave himself until graduation to find it. And due to his meeting with Chamille right after graduation, he resolved to change things around her in order to save her without having her change.
That's even why he was grateful to Chamille for making him a soldier against his will and pushing him toward military top, because he would be in a situation to change things without having to change Yatori.
Ikta trying to change Yatori is a thing from the past. Yatori as a character became no more than a plot device pushing the protagonist forward.
it's far more interesting to see that protagonist now losing what pushed him and see him as he try to find another goal in his life.

Although he was obviously not seeing things that way, from my point of view, Yatori's very existence was a shackle for the whole group's evolution. She was too strong, too smart, too knowledgeable, and more importantly too single-minded and too immovable.

[Tenzen12]

I will take your word for it.

[B214]

No, Ikta knew from his high school period that Yatori would not evolve. He pretty much acknowledged the futility of trying that route after he proposed to Yatori to have sex with her to make her pregnant. And that's why he stopped going that way during that time, as he said to Yatori afterwards, that doesn't work, so he's in a need of something different to save her, and he gave himself until graduation to find it. And due to his meeting with Chamille right after graduation, he resolved to change things around her in order to save her without having her change.
That's even why he was grateful to Chamille for making him a soldier against his will and pushing him toward military top, because he would be in a situation to change things without having to change Yatori.
Ikta trying to change Yatori is a thing from the past. Yatori as a character became no more than a plot device pushing the protagonist forward.
it's far more interesting to see that protagonist now losing what pushed him and see him as he try to find another goal in his life.

Although he was obviously not seeing things that way, from my point of view, Yatori's very existence was a shackle for the whole group's evolution. She was too strong, too smart, too knowledgeable, and more importantly too single-minded and too immovable.

Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Ikta reject the idea of impregnating Yatori not because he realize Yatori wouldn't change/evolve but because he understands that the Igsem would just cast aside Yatori (for disgracing the family) and take her child away from her? That would mean that Ikta's son/daughter would bear the burden instead and Ikta didn't want that to happen?

[Zefyris]

Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Ikta reject the idea of impregnating Yatori not because he realize Yatori wouldn't change/evolve but because he understands that the Igsem would just cast aside Yatori (for disgracing the family) and take her child away from her? That would mean that Ikta's son/daughter would bear the burden instead and Ikta didn't want that to happen?

The igsem wouldn't disgrace her. In fact, the whole idea about making Yatori pregnant was to get her disgraced and rejected so that she is no longer bound by her duty as an Igsem. The thing is, from Yatori's answer, that would clearly not be the case. Yatori would still continue as an Igsem and rise her child as an igsem, and her father would not reject her. of course this would throw a bad reputation to Yatori as a woman, but this would not accomplish at all Ikta's goal.
I don't remember in detail the explanation Yatori gave, but that's something like that.

The problem is that yatori is solvenares' only child and that Solvenares will not remarry after his wife's death. So yatori is far too precious for Igsem to be discarded just to avoid some scandal to get publicly known.

And that's why he gave up on changing yatori, because even impregnating her would not change a damn thing.

[avexsh]

Like a brother would not abandon a little sister, not as a lover. She never specified lover or anything...

If you're not aware of that, ikta and chamille already slept together since volume 6 or 7...
The author is clearly NOT going into the direction of a ship between chamille and Ikta as to volume 9.

Are you serious? No impact? He remained prostrated for 2 years after that...


is it true? by they already slept together? do you mean they have sex / only sleep (just sleep) together? i dont read novel sorry

[Justice_Rises]

Like a brother would not abandon a little sister, not as a lover. She never specified lover or anything...

If you're not aware of that, ikta and chamille already slept together since volume 6 or 7...
The author is clearly NOT going into the direction of a ship between chamille and Ikta as to volume 9.

Are you serious? No impact? He remained prostrated for 2 years after that...


Hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it.

Since when were Ikta and Chamille in a relationship?!

Someone needs to give the summaries of Volumes 6-10 just so i can figure out WTH is going on.

[XxlapsxX]

I was so excited with this anime, sadly i don´t know japannese so i was just waiting for the LN translation to keep going, thankfully i read that Yatori dies, since that doesn't make any sense to me i can finally move on to another series. :)

[Nasu]

The author had the option of making Ikta killing Yatori himself out of the need to protect his allies/subordinates. That could've made things look better to show how dark and severe things went to the point where Ikta had to kill the one he wanted to protect above all. That might have provided a better development for Ikta's character and give Yatori's death a much grander meaning than dying as shipping tool. Don't even say her death was good, the author hype the Ikta-Yatori conflict so much in earlier volumes only for it to end in a considerably lame way.

Looking through your comments, I think your misinterpreting this novel completely. And I am not saying simply because your stance opposes mine, but because you are reading this novel through the lens of shipping characters, instead of finding the symbolism behind it. Here are parts I have to disagree.

The author had the option of making Ikta killing Yatori himself out of the need to protect his allies/subordinates.

No. How Yatori dies is extremely important here because she is killed by traitors. The whole motive for Ikta in the first seven volumes was so that she won’t be destroyed by the system she is loyal to. Ikta’s father? Killed by the system. So did his mother. Hell, his mother goes so far as to make Ikta promise to somehow prevent Yatori from getting killed by the system. Remember the science girl who was killed during the religious wars? Also killed by the system. Almost every character Ikta has shown great interest has died by in the hands of said corrupt system, which should fuel Ikta’s determination to bring change. Why does Yatori also make Ikta promise to look after Chamille? Same reason why his mom made him look after Yatori.

And it's precisely because it goes against the personality that it becomes a good development. Well it's probably because i'm a Code Geass fan that i wanted Ikta to kill Yatori. I feel that it will somehow parallel Lelouch killing Euphie.

I have to disagree here as well. Lelouch killing Euphie did not go against his personality. He was there in the first place because he believed she was the puppet of the Britannia government that uses her to prey upon the weak. He stopped after learning Euphie’s agenda, which was parallel to Suzaku’s mindset of changing the system from the inside. Why does he go insane after “killing” her?
1. His raison detre was to protect the weak. That’s his whole motive behind creating the Black Knight (it’s in the motto) and his anger towards his parents for abandoning Nunally. Killing Euphie effectively contradicts his ideology and he begins to question whether he is a pathological liar or not.
2. His promise to C.C. about controlling his power and never blaming her for giving him the code. He succumbs to the Geass, which in his mind, nullifies his promise with his greatest supporter.
Both incidents are parallel to each other because these characters are now forced to question what the hell they are going to do from now on because, after all, their raison detre is lost.

Now, if you want to evaluate the characters by "shipping", you gotta look at symbolism as well. Euphie and Suzaku? Lelouch and C.C.? Ikta and Chamille? Yea, it makes sense to ship them because they have the same ideology. It wouldn’t make sense if antagonistic ideologies are shipped together. This whole premise (Tenkyou) centers around Japan during WW2 with Ikta representing the West/America and Yatori as Japan. As far as I remember, both countries weren’t really best buds back then. In fact, each character represents some sort of theme. Yatori (Pre-War Japan), Torway (Post-War Japan), Ikta/Chamille (West), Matthew (Communism somewhat), Haro (dunno, only read until V7, probably immigrants). It would also make sense if Torway and Chamille end up together, although that would be a slight stretch.

I get literature is open to interpretation and my comments may seem that I am picking on you. However, considering you come back to this thread often to defend your case, I hope you read (if you even do) this novel differently, because there is some good shit that will make sense if you have a gist of the historic background. But “Don’t even say her death was good”, bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:eyespin::eyespin:.


Thanks, but I need to first set the record straight by saying that I only did 1 chapter for Mahouka. So I deserve no deep credit for it xD.

What? Really? No way.
Need to go find the contributor then, lol.
But hey, one chapter is still something :)

[B214]

Looking through your comments, I think your misinterpreting this novel completely. And I am not saying simply because your stance opposes mine, but because you are reading this novel through the lens of shipping characters, instead of finding the symbolism behind it. Here are parts I have to disagree.

The author had the option of making Ikta killing Yatori himself out of the need to protect his allies/subordinates.

No. How Yatori dies is extremely important here because she is killed by traitors. The whole motive for Ikta in the first seven volumes was so that she won’t be destroyed by the system she is loyal to. Ikta’s father? Killed by the system. So did his mother. Hell, his mother goes so far as to make Ikta promise to somehow prevent Yatori from getting killed by the system. Remember the science girl who was killed during the religious wars? Also killed by the system. Almost every character Ikta has shown great interest has died by in the hands of said corrupt system, which should fuel Ikta’s determination to bring change. Why does Yatori also make Ikta promise to look after Chamille? Same reason why his mom made him look after Yatori.

And it's precisely because it goes against the personality that it becomes a good development. Well it's probably because i'm a Code Geass fan that i wanted Ikta to kill Yatori. I feel that it will somehow parallel Lelouch killing Euphie.

I have to disagree here as well. Lelouch killing Euphie did not go against his personality. He was there in the first place because he believed she was the puppet of the Britannia government that uses her to prey upon the weak. He stopped after learning Euphie’s agenda, which was parallel to Suzaku’s mindset of changing the system from the inside. Why does he go insane after “killing” her?
1. His raison detre was to protect the weak. That’s his whole motive behind creating the Black Knight (it’s in the motto) and his anger towards his parents for abandoning Nunally. Killing Euphie effectively contradicts his ideology and he begins to question whether he is a pathological liar or not.
2. His promise to C.C. about controlling his power and never blaming her for giving him the code. He succumbs to the Geass, which in his mind, nullifies his promise with his greatest supporter.
Both incidents are parallel to each other because these characters are now forced to question what the hell they are going to do from now on because, after all, their raison detre is lost.

Now, if you want to evaluate the characters by "shipping", you gotta look at symbolism as well. Euphie and Suzaku? Lelouch and C.C.? Ikta and Chamille? Yea, it makes sense to ship them because they have the same ideology. It wouldn’t make sense if antagonistic ideologies are shipped together. This whole premise (Tenkyou) centers around Japan during WW2 with Ikta representing the West/America and Yatori as Japan. As far as I remember, both countries weren’t really best buds back then. In fact, each character represents some sort of theme. Yatori (Pre-War Japan), Torway (Post-War Japan), Ikta/Chamille (West), Matthew (Communism somewhat), Haro (dunno, only read until V7, probably immigrants). It would also make sense if Torway and Chamille end up together, although that would be a slight stretch.

I get literature is open to interpretation and my comments may seem that I am picking on you. However, considering you come back to this thread often to defend your case, I hope you read (if you even do) this novel differently, because there is some good shit that will make sense if you have a gist of the historic background. But “Don’t even say her death was good”, bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:eyespin::eyespin:.


No i'm not seeing this through the lens of shipping. I couldn't even be bothered about the romance anyway, in fact i think it's better to have no romance at all for this series. Anyhow I'm watching this through the lens of wanting to see characters undergo despair. Like i said, the author use the earlier volumes to set up a potential conflict between Ikta and Yatori so you would naturally expect him to pull through with it. That's what i was hoping too. To see Ikta and Yatori actually try to kill each other. Yatori getting kill by traitors just made things dull for me. It feels like all the time he spent on hyping on Ikta and Yatori clashing flow out of the drain and leaves you with the feeling of "that's all, really?"

[Nasu]

No i'm not seeing this through the lens of shipping. I couldn't even be bothered about the romance anyway, in fact i think it's better to have no romance at all for this series. Anyhow I'm watching this through the lens of wanting to see characters undergo despair. Like i said, the author use the earlier volumes to set up a potential conflict between Ikta and Yatori so you would naturally expect him to pull through with it. That's what i was hoping too. To see Ikta and Yatori actually try to kill each other. Yatori getting kill by traitors just made things dull for me. It feels like all the time he spent on hyping on Ikta and Yatori clashing flow out of the drain and leaves you with the feeling of "that's all, really?"

No i'm not seeing this through the lens of shipping. I couldn't even be bothered about the romance anyway, in fact i think it's better to have no romance at all for this series.
I’m sorry, but I think you are considering you believe Yatori’s death isn’t justifiable because the author forces ChamilleXIkta down our throats. This originally lead me to suggest you misinterpreted the novel because there practically isn’t any romance. Alright, alright that’s a slight exaggeration but romance isn’t driving the plot. Neither is any form of love. As someone earlier in this thread mentioned, Ikta and Yatori has a platonic relationship. Correct me if I am wrong, but I honestly can’t recall any scenes between them that was remotely romantic. Hell, even the “pregnancy” scene was oozing with political motives.
Like i said, the author use the earlier volumes to set up a potential conflict between Ikta and Yatori so you would naturally expect him to pull through with it… “that’s all, really?”
But the author really does pull through. Literally the whole volume 7 was this. I’ll try to keep this short as much as I can. The whole conflict between Ikta and Yatori is Ikta trying to free Yatori from the “system” while Yatori believes it’s her obligation to serve the Igsem family. She is bound to a single dogma- she must remain undefeated. The Igsem family is what you can say the source of Katjvarna Empire’s strength, they are the foundation of this whole “system” (which is why she calls herself a sword from volume 1). This is why Chamille’s uncle coerces the Rameon family to stage a coup. If you want usurp a government, you go after the source of its power, right? Ikta proposes to impregnate Yatori because he realizes she will remain static until he severs her connection with Igsem’s dogma. He despairs because having a child would only shift the responsibility and has no other cards up his sleeves. Now, most likely, Ikta reunites with Yatori at the academy after reaching the proper conclusion- to defeat her. The best evidence I can give is his refusal to have a chess match with her. The only problem is when he will chose to defeat her.
What is great about this novel is that it doesn’t follow the typical “shounen MC says magical word to convince the heroine” BS. You can’t really convince someone an idea that makes them question their identity. Once they begin to, well it usually leads to a mental breakdown, for the good or for the worse. Yatori isn’t immune to that either-we are introduced to the ruthless Yatori Igsem that eats up Yatorishino who saves Ikta. Hell, the author even puts dots next to Yatorishino to distinguish between them. Ikta is able to keep one promise with his mother but ultimately breaks the one that matters to him the most- losing her to the system (which is why who kills her and how she dies is important). This sets up what you want to see- characters undergoing despair (Ikta). If he is the one that kills her, it wouldn't progress the plot at all and the reason behind his despair changes to one of guilt. Guilt is hardly something that would motivate one into destroying a country.


Now to tie all this mumbo jumbo (conflict) with romance, romance in the novel is used to pit characters together that otherwise wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell and to keep the narrative consistent with what the author drew their inspiration from. A member of the Royal family, especially a female, being together with a dishonored traitor’s son, especially in an imperial setting during political turmoil? Highly unlikely unless there is romance and it’s instigated by the one in higher power. YatoriXIkta? Never sailed. The other couple introduced as of the end of V7, Matthew and the sailor girl, is one I am not too sure on. This is purely speculative on my part, but if we play along the hypothesis that Matthew represents Communism, then this suggests his future actions-betrayal. We saw three major powers during WW2: axis/allies/Soviets. We see three major families: Igsem, Rameon, and girl. Axis gone, what do we have left? The West and Soviets fighting each other for another few decades. In V1, Ikta’s mentor foreshadows his fate as one that ends in tragedy. If Ikta and Yatori make up as one and let's say their fate is also, death to betrayal is tragic, no? We already see this concept with Yatori’s father betraying Ikta’s. Can’t really recall any other couples. Speculations aside, what I want to say is Yatori’s death most likely won’t just end here and that the author will likely draw parallels from it.

[B214]

No i'm not seeing this through the lens of shipping. I couldn't even be bothered about the romance anyway, in fact i think it's better to have no romance at all for this series.
I’m sorry, but I think you are considering you believe Yatori’s death isn’t justifiable because the author forces ChamilleXIkta down our throats. This originally lead me to suggest you misinterpreted the novel because there practically isn’t any romance. Alright, alright that’s a slight exaggeration but romance isn’t driving the plot. Neither is any form of love. As someone earlier in this thread mentioned, Ikta and Yatori has a platonic relationship. Correct me if I am wrong, but I honestly can’t recall any scenes between them that was remotely romantic. Hell, even the “pregnancy” scene was oozing with political motives.
Like i said, the author use the earlier volumes to set up a potential conflict between Ikta and Yatori so you would naturally expect him to pull through with it… “that’s all, really?”
But the author really does pull through. Literally the whole volume 7 was this. I’ll try to keep this short as much as I can. The whole conflict between Ikta and Yatori is Ikta trying to free Yatori from the “system” while Yatori believes it’s her obligation to serve the Igsem family. She is bound to a single dogma- she must remain undefeated. The Igsem family is what you can say the source of Katjvarna Empire’s strength, they are the foundation of this whole “system” (which is why she calls herself a sword from volume 1). This is why Chamille’s uncle coerces the Rameon family to stage a coup. If you want usurp a government, you go after the source of its power, right? Ikta proposes to impregnate Yatori because he realizes she will remain static until he severs her connection with Igsem’s dogma. He despairs because having a child would only shift the responsibility and has no other cards up his sleeves. Now, most likely, Ikta reunites with Yatori at the academy after reaching the proper conclusion- to defeat her. The best evidence I can give is his refusal to have a chess match with her. The only problem is when he will chose to defeat her.
What is great about this novel is that it doesn’t follow the typical “shounen MC says magical word to convince the heroine” BS. You can’t really convince someone an idea that makes them question their identity. Once they begin to, well it usually leads to a mental breakdown, for the good or for the worse. Yatori isn’t immune to that either-we are introduced to the ruthless Yatori Igsem that eats up Yatorishino who saves Ikta. Hell, the author even puts dots next to Yatorishino to distinguish between them. Ikta is able to keep one promise with his mother but ultimately breaks the one that matters to him the most- losing her to the system (which is why who kills her and how she dies is important). This sets up what you want to see- characters undergoing despair (Ikta). If he is the one that kills her, it wouldn't progress the plot at all and the reason behind his despair changes to one of guilt. Guilt is hardly something that would motivate one into destroying a country.


Now to tie all this mumbo jumbo (conflict) with romance, romance in the novel is used to pit characters together that otherwise wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell and to keep the narrative consistent with what the author drew their inspiration from. A member of the Royal family, especially a female, being together with a dishonored traitor’s son, especially in an imperial setting during political turmoil? Highly unlikely unless there is romance and it’s instigated by the one in higher power. YatoriXIkta? Never sailed. The other couple introduced as of the end of V7, Matthew and the sailor girl, is one I am not too sure on. This is purely speculative on my part, but if we play along the hypothesis that Matthew represents Communism, then this suggests his future actions-betrayal. We saw three major powers during WW2: axis/allies/Soviets. We see three major families: Igsem, Rameon, and girl. Axis gone, what do we have left? The West and Soviets fighting each other for another few decades. In V1, Ikta’s mentor foreshadows his fate as one that ends in tragedy. If Ikta and Yatori make up as one and let's say their fate is also, death to betrayal is tragic, no? We already see this concept with Yatori’s father betraying Ikta’s. Can’t really recall any other couples. Speculations aside, what I want to say is Yatori’s death most likely won’t just end here and that the author will likely draw parallels from it.



You don't understand it do you. I just want to see Ikta kill Yatori. That's my personal desire. To see or in this case read Ikta kill Yatori, i couldn't even be bothered about Ikta wanting to save Yatori, the system etc. I just want to see Ikta being forced to kill despair and turn into a villain who's willing to kill anyone sacrifice anyone back-stab someone just for the sake of achieving his goal of destroying his own country.

[Zefyris]

I wrote slept together. Not, "had sex". Like an adult sleeping with his children to confort him/her after a bad dream, or a very bad experience rather than leaving him/her alone for a whole night in the dark. That's the kind of relationship Ikta has towards Chamille.

You don't understand it do you. I just want to see Ikta kill Yatori. That's my personal desire. To see or in this case read Ikta kill Yatori, i couldn't even be bothered about Ikta wanting to save Yatori, the system etc. I just want to see Ikta being forced to kill despair and turn into a villain who's willing to kill anyone sacrifice anyone back-stab someone just for the sake of achieving his goal of destroying his own country.

That would be the worse storytelling ever. A man that advocated all his life to act rationally, acting suddenly irrationally on everything because muuuuh dark! muuuh emoooo! muuuuh edgy! muuuuh revenge!

Yeah. Or not. If yo uwant a revenge story of someone willing to destroy everything, I think there's plenty out there. Don't try to put that kind of ridiculous thing in good stories.
The author isn't here to write your personal take on his story, and especially not when it ruins everything.

I think I actually already told you that somewhere, since it feels like a déjà vu, but whatever.

[Nasu]

You don't understand it do you. I just want to see Ikta kill Yatori. That's my personal desire. To see or in this case read Ikta kill Yatori, i couldn't even be bothered about Ikta wanting to save Yatori, the system etc. I just want to see Ikta being forced to kill despair and turn into a villain who's willing to kill anyone sacrifice anyone back-stab someone just for the sake of achieving his goal of destroying his own country.

Of course I don't understand, lol. You either did not support your claim at all or the ones you did I pointed out a contradiction, to which you did not respond. How am I supposed to be convinced that your stance is the correct one? All i saw was rehashed gripes about Yatori's death that blames ChamilleXIkta without justifying why this style of writing is bad or why YatoriXIkta would be better. Until now, when you finally explicitly stated it- that's my personal desire.

That itself is completely fine. Like I said earlier, literature is open to interpretation and there is no right or wrong answers. Critiquing is very important and fans should also acknowledge shortcomings. However, criticism for the sake of criticism does not add to the discussion, especially if its unsupported. And that is simply no different from spreading hate or trolling.

Anymore discussion will get us nowhere, so lets end it here. Peace

[B214]

That would be the worse storytelling ever. A man that advocated all his life to act rationally, acting suddenly irrationally on everything because muuuuh dark! muuuh emoooo! muuuuh edgy! muuuuh revenge!

Yeah. Or not. If yo uwant a revenge story of someone willing to destroy everything, I think there's plenty out there. Don't try to put that kind of ridiculous thing in good stories.
The author isn't here to write your personal take on his story, and especially not when it ruins everything.

I think I actually already told you that somewhere, since it feels like a déjà vu, but whatever.

The fact that Ikta isn't even vengeful after what happened through his life is weirder you know. His parents died due to the empire and the one last person he truly cared about died too due to the empire. I think even the most logical/rational man would turn vengeful or at least hate the empire to the point that he wants it destroyed, so i don't think it's normal or logical at all in Ikta's case. In fact the way the author is depicting Ikta is closer to a saint than a rational man. That's also why i said it was like a shipping of Ikta x Chamille. After all the shit that happened to Ikta, i don't think anyone sane and has emotions will be willing to stand side by side with a member of the royal family.

[Zefyris]

No, Ikta has lived his whole live like that. Turning vengeful against who, anyway? There's only one culprit here, the rest of the kingdom isn't responsible. And if killing that person would inflict pain on his kingdom, which is the case here, then you can't do that.
Turning irrational and trying to punish the whole world for the sin of one man is utterly stupid. Losing peoples do not turn them stupid.
I'm not a saint, and I would never, EVER do something that stupid even in worse than his situation. BEcause while I'm not a saint, I'm not an idiot, either.

[B214]

No, Ikta has lived his whole live like that. Turning vengeful against who, anyway? There's only one culprit here, the rest of the kingdom isn't responsible. And if killing that person would inflict pain on his kingdom, which is the case here, then you can't do that.
Turning irrational and trying to punish the whole world for the sin of one man is utterly stupid. Losing peoples do not turn them stupid.
I'm not a saint, and I would never, EVER do something that stupid even in worse than his situation. BEcause while I'm not a saint, I'm not an idiot, either.

Turning vengeful doesn't necessarily means hating someone. It could be something else too, it doesn't even have to be a living thing. A system, an organization, a country things like that could be a target of vengeance too. Besides vengeance doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be a bad thing, if used correctly it can also be good. Lets not focus on this issue though.

On to why i say Ikta is too much of a saint or good guy whichever fits your taste. The country/kingdom is already done for there's barely any salvage for it left, Ikta himself already knows that. If that's the case, if it's truly done for why not just destroy it and rebuild it. Sometimes the only way to protect something is by being a villain. Sometimes peace and stability can only be attained through tyranny. Which leads to why i say Ikta is very much a saint. Someone of his intellect should understand that the country doesn't need a hero, it needs a villain, a tyrant, someone who's willing to make the most ruthless acts. Even if that includes purging the entire royal family and noblemen just in order to destroy the current system/government that is now obsolete and unusable so that it can be replaced with a new and better one. A good and wise king/queen can't accomplish that, you can't control corrupted and power hungry villains with wisdom, love and care. You can only do that through fear and oppression, you have to be a bigger villain than them.

Which is also why i wanted Ikta to kill Yatori, personal preference aside. I truly believe that Ikta falling into the path of villainy would've been a better decision for the story.

[bakato]

Turning vengeful doesn't necessarily means hating someone. It could be something else too, it doesn't even have to be a living thing. A system, an organization, a country things like that could be a target of vengeance too. Besides vengeance doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be a bad thing, if used correctly it can also be good. Lets not focus on this issue though.

On to why i say Ikta is too much of a saint or good guy whichever fits your taste. The country/kingdom is already done for there's barely any salvage for it left, Ikta himself already knows that. If that's the case, if it's truly done for why not just destroy it and rebuild it. Sometimes the only way to protect something is by being a villain. Sometimes peace and stability can only be attained through tyranny. Which leads to why i say Ikta is very much a saint. Someone of his intellect should understand that the country doesn't need a hero, it needs a villain, a tyrant, someone who's willing to make the most ruthless acts. Even if that includes purging the entire royal family and noblemen just in order to destroy the current system/government that is now obsolete and unusable so that it can be replaced with a new and better one. A good and wise king/queen can't accomplish that, you can't control corrupted and power hungry villains with wisdom, love and care. You can only do that through fear and oppression, you have to be a bigger villain than them.

Which is also why i wanted Ikta to kill Yatori, personal preference aside. I truly believe that Ikta falling into the path of villainy would've been a better decision for the story.

Ikta never gave a shit about the system or the kingdom. As you said, he knows it's a rotting boat that's halfway sunk. Getting revenge would be like kicking a dying dog. It's gonna croak regardless of what he does. All he wanted was to salvage the girl that was half his life and jump ship, but said girl had effectively tied herself to the boat with the rest of her stubborn family.

Ikta is no saint either. He has explicitly stated that he never wanted to be a hero. No dark knight, no tyrant, no enemy to unite the world. He may be all brains and no brawn, but never mistake him for Lelouche. You're making up a lot of stuff to make this Code Geass and it's not.

[Roxanne]

I want volume 11 illustrations :(

[Justice_Rises]

I want volume 11 illustrations :(

Same here.

I'm still trying to figure out whats going on with Volumes 6-11, cause no bothered to summarize it for the rest of us.

I honestly have no idea what most of the people here are talking about. I want to, but since I dont read Japanese it makes it difficult.

[ValvraveTruth]

Same here.

I'm still trying to figure out whats going on with Volumes 6-11, cause no bothered to summarize it for the rest of us.

I honestly have no idea what most of the people here are talking about. I want to, but since I dont read Japanese it makes it difficult.


Hmm I understand where you are coming from. But sadly the threads for every light novels are opened for discussion after you actually read the book. Its not a place to ask for spoilers or a summarize version of chapters as we who read them don't exist to summarize them for you. Another reason for that is, there are actually "some" members(amount has increase thru out the year) who suddenly become an expert at discussing the content eventhou they only read the summaries without reading the full book.

At the same time its not like we can't summarize them for you, but most likely they just don't feel like it or lazy to do that for you. Well pretty much the same as we ignore those who ask "where to watch the episode" in anime discussion thread. Anyways I believe other site actually have the summary of this light novel, you just have to look around on google.

[Crazy Frog]

Illustration volume 11, well image capture version already out last week. I thought people already post it here. =-="

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[Roxanne]

Illustration volume 11, well image capture version already out last week. I thought people already post it here. =-="

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Thanks :D
I want to ask you something.... Does Ikta love shit Princess now? :frustrated: because he cuddles Princess
Also, in volume 11 someone speaks about Yatori?:T_T:

[Sacredus]

It's really doubtfully that someone would mention or even remember her. Since you know, author seems to be focusing on shiping Ikta with loli empress (and for me this is only reasons behind what happened to Yatori). I'm not reading this, but this is exactly how it look to me.



https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/231853462978035712/247987947398365184/15079057_291557747908235_7816181170246718463_n.png
Why I'm not surprised? :heh:

[Kuroageha]

Because it was obvious from book 1?

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Because it was obvious from book 1?

Pretty much. I mean let's face it. Haru is a traitor Suya is not a good match. Nor is Nana and Yatori's death pretty much ruined the guy.

[Waxman]

I already mentioned this but every time i see that girl i can't help but think "Ikta's daughter" i don't know why, there's not even that much resemblance...
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Hm... Anyways, i think that the author shouldn't pair Ikta with anyone, i don't know what's going on in the last vol but from the beggining i got the feeling that Ikta will die before the series is over.

[Enternal]

Thanks :D
I want to ask you something.... Does Ikta love shit Princess now? :frustrated: because he cuddles Princess
Also, in volume 11 someone speaks about Yatori?:T_T:

Well, that does not always imply something romantic. It could simply be that he cares a lot for her so that should not stop him from being close to her like that.

Seems like there are still some who really hate Chamille (though it seems mainly for shipping reasons). At the very least, give her a chance as a person.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Well, that does not always imply something romantic. It could simply be that he cares a lot for her so that should not stop him from being close to her like that.

Seems like there are still some who really hate Chamille (though it seems mainly for shipping reasons). At the very least, give her a chance as a character.

See it's not about shipping its' the fact that she was a shitty character and knowing that Yatori was essentially killed off in a BS way because as long as Yatori was alive she could never get her plan to work.

[Enternal]

No. It's not a fact. It may not be about shipping preferences but it's personal preference. You don't like that for Chamille's plan to save the country to work (through sacrificing her own family and possibly herself), the Igsem family must be out of the way. You deem Chamille as a "shitty" character and the death scene was "BS" even though it makes sense that with her out of the way, Chamille can now continue with her plan even if it hurts her greatly (as she still greatly mourn for Yatori's death).

Nasu, larethian, and a few other actual readers already explained this in previous posts how it all fit together.

[ShadowSamurai365]

No. It's not a fact. It may not be about shipping preferences but it's personal preference. You don't like that for Chamille's plan to save the country to work (through sacrificing her own family and possibly herself), the Igsem family must be out of the way. You deem Chamille as a "shitty" character and the death scene was "BS" even though it makes sense that with her out of the way, Chamille can now continue with her plan even if her hurts her greatly (as she still greatly mourn for Yatori's death).

Nasu, larethian, and a few other actual readers already explained this in previous posts how it all fit together.

I need to see more of her before I decide on my take of her. The only thing I'll ask of her is to not try to show off again (like that scene regarding Ikta's history in the carriage).

[Enternal]

I need to see more of her before I decide on my take of her. The only thing I'll ask of her is to not try to show off again (like that scene regarding Ikta's history in the carriage).

And that's how it should be approached. With very little information on how she actually changed and grew up over the years through dialogues, monologues, her experiences, her point-of-view, and other small but important details as intended by the author, you can't and shouldn't jump to conclusions. Reading spoilers and summaries does not count.

Anyway... now I'm back to being sad that Yatori is gone... T_T

[Tenzen12]

I actually like Chamile a lot as character, but whether Alderamin have any worth depending on her relationship with Ikta. If they got together and live happily even after it's crap, if one of them (or both) tragicallydies it's ok. I wouldn't even mind if she was one to survive.

Oh and it would be also trashy if it were both.

[Enternal]

Yeah, as a character, she's quite interesting. Her emotional outbursts at times, showing off her knowledge of Ikta, and a few other things are befitting of a twelve year old girl. The way she faces and handle certain situations, her clear and deep understanding of the problems that run in her own country, and how she can handle her own most of the time shows that she's also quite mature for her age. She also does not act spoiled nor haughty towards anyone and rather treat them with respect. And finally, to think of such a plan to save her country while knowing full well of the consequences and how her life may be forfeit, at an age of twelve shows what type of person she is.

An exceptional general with a mediocre king/queen or an exceptional king/queen with a mediocre general will never be effective and might be the falling of a country in the worst situation. However, in this case, we have an exceptional general with a queen with a lot of potentials to be exceptional who are also working with each other and have high level of trust with each other. I'm looking forward to the point where both Ikta and Chamille are similarly in sync with each other just as when Ikta was with Yatori. I'm very upset with Yatori's death but I'm still greatly looking forward to seeing how their future is.

Yes she's annoying at times. But those are mostly because of her relative immaturity due to her age rather than an inherent issue with her personality.

As for the ending, for me at least, I don't really care as much as long as the author handles it well. Though I do prefer happier endings so my personal preference is that they succeeded and lived happily but that's just a dream. Realistically, I'm expecting at least one of them to die near the end. If both died, I would be very sad but at the same time, they accomplish what they both set out to do so it will be bittersweet ending in some ways. That also means they can all finally go to meet Yatori and and their other close friends in the afterlife (dreamy and unscientific but I don't care T_T). And maybe Ikta can meet Kanna again (I became very fond of her and was saddened when she died). Ok ok I will stop with with all these funny wishes.

[Nasu]

No, Ikta knew from his high school period that Yatori would not evolve. He pretty much acknowledged the futility of trying that route after he proposed to Yatori to have sex with her to make her pregnant. And that's why he stopped going that way during that time, as he said to Yatori afterwards, that doesn't work, so he's in a need of something different to save her, and he gave himself until graduation to find it. And due to his meeting with Chamille right after graduation, he resolved to change things around her in order to save her without having her change.
That's even why he was grateful to Chamille for making him a soldier against his will and pushing him toward military top, because he would be in a situation to change things without having to change Yatori.
Ikta trying to change Yatori is a thing from the past. Yatori as a character became no more than a plot device pushing the protagonist forward.
it's far more interesting to see that protagonist now losing what pushed him and see him as he try to find another goal in his life.

Although he was obviously not seeing things that way, from my point of view, Yatori's very existence was a shackle for the whole group's evolution. She was too strong, too smart, too knowledgeable, and more importantly too single-minded and too immovable.


Wow, I cant believe I missed this, especially since I wrote on the same page. COPY AND PASTE THIS POST TO ANYONE WHO MENTIONS IKTAXCHAMILLE. Especially the last paragraph. Highlight it and add stars. You have effectively shut down all arguments I have seen on this thread with this one post, good Sir.

On a different note, to the people who want summaries, I think the lack of them is due to, like Valvrave Truth said, judgemental people. If this was your typical shounen LN then summaries will get you the gist of the whole scenario. However, this story is a social critique of contemporary Japan. This ranges from the younger generation feeling empowered by the older, over-time work, racial discrimination, treatment of the capable, harassment, etc. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the author is writing from personal experience considering the depth in writing and probably anyone in Japan knows someone who was flat out destroyed by the society.

Most of the events that are in the story are bits and pieces of a puzzle that illustrate these issues. The importance of individual words cannot be conveyed in summaries. To get the true experience, reading the translation would be the best.

However, most of the nuances will still be lost to Western readers as these two societies are completely different. A translation coupled with commentary can only do true justice. I was thinking of writing only a brief commentary (oozing with personal bias), as I think the translation will eventually catch up, at the end of the whole series, but I am rather forgetful. Therefore, I ask for those who have read the original and understand the culture behind it to express their thoughts so everyone can get the author's intended message. Thanks.

[LNfreelancer]

Wow, I cant believe I missed this, especially since I wrote on the same page. COPY AND PASTE THIS POST TO ANYONE WHO MENTIONS IKTAXCHAMILLE. Especially the last paragraph. Highlight it and add stars. You have effectively shut down all arguments I have seen on this thread with this one post, good Sir.

On a different note, to the people who want summaries, I think the lack of them is due to, like Valvrave Truth said, judgemental people. If this was your typical shounen LN then summaries will get you the gist of the whole scenario. However, this story is a social critique of contemporary Japan. This ranges from the younger generation feeling empowered by the older, over-time work, racial discrimination, treatment of the capable, harassment, etc. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the author is writing from personal experience considering the depth in writing and probably anyone in Japan knows someone who was flat out destroyed by the society.

Most of the events that are in the story are bits and pieces of a puzzle that illustrate these issues. The importance of individual words cannot be conveyed in summaries. To get the true experience, reading the translation would be the best.

However, most of the nuances will still be lost to Western readers as these two societies are completely different. A translation coupled with commentary can only do true justice. I was thinking of writing only a brief commentary (oozing with personal bias), as I think the translation will eventually catch up, at the end of the whole series, but I am rather forgetful. Therefore, I ask for those who have read the original and understand the culture behind it to express their thoughts so everyone can get the author's intended message. Thanks.

Eh, as someone who can read Japanese and translates JP>EN, I don't think translations have to convey every single bit of Japanese-isms.

Look at the best English translations of Japanese works of literature. They never force the Japanese-ness of a text down a reader's throat. They let the essence of the author's message, which is often universal, convey itself through words.

It's pretty much impossible for a translation to read well while also conveying every bit of nuance carried over from Japanese into English.

Mass commentary opens up a whole other can of worms. To really get into the mindset of a Japanese reader would require so much explanation as to get in the way of the actual story. There's so much to explain and point out references to that even if you tried, you'd still be missing bits and pieces.

If a non-Japanese reader wants to get the full story, they should read up on Japan and learn some Japanese to really get it. Relying on commentary in a translation is more likely to skew their view than anything else.

[Nasu]

Eh, as someone who can read Japanese and translates JP>EN, I don't think translations have to convey every single bit of Japanese-isms....



I think we are thinking along the same lines, except my poor selection of words led to confusion. Using commentary was probably not a great idea. What I should have probably chosen was historical/social context . Thank you for pointing it out.

I completely agree that the nuance will be lost in translation and not everything can be expressed. Frankly, it's impossible.

There's so much to explain and point out references

I think that's the problem with only reading the translation for this LN. It is definitely the best way to consume the story (much better than summaries), but there are too many allusions that someone who isn't well-versed in Japanese culture may not get what the author is trying to convey without the background info. Hence, something simple as listing out the historical/social context may help out (similar footnotes in translated texts).

In no way am I saying providing context for everything that went on in the LN. Just the major events and characters.

[tuckersister]

Is there any site that has spoilers for the last 2-3 volumes?

[Roxanne]

I hope Yatori will revive in volume 13 or volume 15 :'(

[tuckersister]

I hope Yatori will revive in volume 13 or volume 15 :'(

However the explaining is how. Are there shamans in their world? How do you resurrect someone through "science"?

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

As i watch the anime over i'm very curious about this "Dark side" Of Haro. When does that reveal itself and why

[Keila]

However the explaining is how. Are there shamans in their world? How do you resurrect someone through "science"?

Ignoring all context in response: Generally via the assistance of electricity

[tuckersister]

Even if the body "restarts", Yattori's mind won't be the same.

Also, does Jeanne acknowledges that Ikta is "lazy"?

[teddychan]

Please don't revive yatori, Just like what the Legend of galactic heroes did hahaha

[tuckersister]

There are a lot of Yattori fans pretty pissed after what happened to her.

[Tenzen12]

Reviving Yatori is bad idea, better kill Ikta ASA well so they can be together

[Kadmos1]

Anyone else watching the Funimation dub of the anime. The dubbed Igsem and Yatori are played by the respective dubbed voices of Tigre and Eleonora. Caitlin Glass was also Lilith in "Absolute Duo" and Flame Spirit Shia was the Japanese Lilith.

[seiftis]

There are a lot of Yattori fans pretty pissed after what happened to her.

Of course. You're taking a kickass female lead off the light, just so to have an uninteresting princess hog everything. :frustrated:

[Tenzen12]

She is not uninteresting, but yes she shouldn't hog everything.

[tuckersister]

Any spoilers from the recent volume?

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Anyone else watching the Funimation dub of the anime. The dubbed Igsem and Yatori are played by the respective dubbed voices of Tigre and Eleonora. Caitlin Glass was also Lilith in "Absolute Duo" and Flame Spirit Shia was the Japanese Lilith.

Most dubs are hit or miss but in this case they did very well. I still maintain that they fucked up by keeping the princess's request of Ikta till the end but the drama was perfect.
It re-interates a point that I know a lot of people hate but it's that either the princess or Yatori would've had to die eventually for the story to move.
Yatori would never use the phrase but it's rather clear she loved Ikta and he loved her. It's unfortunate but it happens.

One of the most powerful anime moments i can reemberwas that scene when Ikta asks Yatori how she'd kill him in Episode 11. It was one of those moments you just go damn. Especially if you watch the whole scene

[Justice_Rises]

This seems like one of those series that can go on forever, which is really annoying (Lord Marksman & Vanidis is the same way.)

I miss Yatori, but the plot is moving okay without her. Its getting harder to tell where they will go from here, but thats the exciting part.

[tuckersister]

Has the Empress made any moves on Ikta yet?

[Lem]

Third volume is translated.

[sparhawk1610]

After I read the spoiler about Yatori, I am not sure if I really want to read more...

[tuckersister]

How many people knows Ikta's true identity?