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Death Usagi
2015-01-31, 11:12
I wonder when Yamato will appear. Maybe Episode 6?

White Manju Bun
2015-01-31, 11:12
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AC-Phoenix
2015-01-31, 11:22
I wonder when Yamato will appear. Maybe Episode 6?

Highly dependant on how many episodes the anime will get.
My take is somewhere in the second half of the season though.

Requiem-x
2015-01-31, 11:23
I wonder when Yamato will appear. Maybe Episode 6?

That's what I'm hoping for. Also, somehow I think she'll be this awesome looking girl that's actually a coward and a whiny brat in battle. I'd want for Fubuki to protect, but then there would be no reason to add Yahagi. What a dilemma.

Klashikari
2015-01-31, 12:15
That's what I'm hoping for. Also, somehow I think she'll be this awesome looking girl that's actually a coward and a whiny brat in battle. I'd want for Fubuki to protect, but then there would be no reason to add Yahagi. What a dilemma.It isn't like Yahagi is mandatory with Yamato, especially they didn't bother including Yukikaze.
Also, no, Yamato is more like a "normal girl". Responsible and polite, quite similar to the usual non tyrannic Student Council President archtype.

chaosprophet
2015-01-31, 12:28
I wonder when Yamato will appear. Maybe Episode 6?

If they go with Midway in the middle of the season (episode 6ish), I'm guessing Yamato will appear after, like ep7-8.

Kakurin
2015-01-31, 12:34
That's what I'm hoping for. Also, somehow I think she'll be this awesome looking girl that's actually a coward and a whiny brat in battle.
That would be a pretty severe misrepresentation of Yamato. Just giving you an idea, here are her lines (http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Yamato) in the game:

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24833348

Requiem-x
2015-01-31, 16:00
That would be a pretty severe misrepresentation of Yamato. Just giving you an idea, here are her lines (http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Yamato) in the game:

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24833348

I see... well, my fault for not being well informed. Sorry.

There's already Akagi, though, so we don't really need another awesome sempai to look up to.

No, I'd rather not think Akagi could die.

cloud04
2015-01-31, 16:14
best way to describe yamato is well yamato

AC-Phoenix
2015-01-31, 18:19
That's what I'm hoping for. Also, somehow I think she'll be this awesome looking girl that's actually a coward and a whiny brat in battle. I'd want for Fubuki to protect, but then there would be no reason to add Yahagi. What a dilemma.

I see... well, my fault for not being well informed. Sorry.

There's already Akagi, though, so we don't really need another awesome sempai to look up to.

No, I'd rather not think Akagi could die.

Musashi describes her as a shy girl that doesn't go out much.
In the few sentences she says about her one could think Yamato was the younger sister.:heh:

I expect a certain running gag around her too :D

Nvis
2015-01-31, 19:14
Why does Yamato sound so childish to me? I'd thought she have a more mature voice like Nagato.

Seihai
2015-01-31, 19:44
Why does Yamato sound so childish to me? I'd thought she have a more mature voice like Nagato.

She will probably sound a bit more mature in the anime because she will interact with fellow ships that are younger than her instead of the admiral who has the authority.

Ithekro
2015-01-31, 21:10
Yamato would be a new ship. She might be shy and unsure.

AC-Phoenix
2015-01-31, 21:20
Yamato would be a new ship. She might be shy and unsure.

Taking Musashi's words for a bare coin she is probably a hikimori.
Just kidding.

Yamato's sentences aside, I can see her as a shy and friendly version of a sheltered class president.
Like her
http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7800000/Kotonoha-school-days-7823103-400-266.jpg

Ithekro
2015-01-31, 21:30
Yamato historically was kept back a lot, known as Hotel Yamato, since she spent more time sitting at Truk than doing any fighting in 1943.

But don't let that fool you, she is very deadly and has very accurate gunnery, rivaled only by Kongo in the Japanese Navy. Some sources record that she mission killed an escort carrier at a range over 30,000 meters. She is also known for her last stand on the way to Okinawa.

Xero8420
2015-01-31, 21:43
Yamato historically was kept back a lot, known as Hotel Yamato, since she spent more time sitting at Truk than doing any fighting in 1943.

But don't let that fool you, she is very deadly and has very accurate gunnery, rivaled only by Kongo in the Japanese Navy. Some sources record that she mission killed an escort carrier at a range over 30,000 meters. She is also known for her last stand on the way to Okinawa.

In other words, one might regret treating her as a laughing stock, even though she consumed the most resources. Her 46cm guns will pummel one to shame.

I wonder... Is she a Yamato Nadeshiko type?

cloud04
2015-01-31, 21:53
In other words, one might regret treating her as a laughing stock, even though she consumed the most resources. Her 46cm guns will pummel one to shame.

I wonder... Is she a Yamato Nadeshiko type?

why u think she's called yamato and has a parasol, i still call the parasol being anchored when she's being fitted hahaha

AC-Phoenix
2015-01-31, 22:02
It would actually be good if she wasn't too much like her game counter part - gives hope for some of the other ships.
Like Maya where I still try to figure out whether her speech pattern is supposed to be arrogant or childish.

So yeah Yamato being at least a bit different in the anime would wake hope in that regard.

Top Sergeant
2015-01-31, 22:56
Yamato historically was kept back a lot, known as Hotel Yamato, since she spent more time sitting at Truk than doing any fighting in 1943.

But don't let that fool you, she is very deadly and has very accurate gunnery, rivaled only by Kongo in the Japanese Navy. Some sources record that she mission killed an escort carrier at a range over 30,000 meters. She is also known for her last stand on the way to Okinawa.

Those 18 inch guns can certainly ruins someone's day. ;)

MeisterBabylon
2015-01-31, 23:02
Fun fact:

Yamato's shell caliber is actually BIGGER than on paper, which I think is pretty surprising given the accuracy of those babies in spite of the rule of thumb, bigger shell = more dispersion. Explains the penetration though.

This is modelled in the game where she appears flatter than she actually is; this is revealed when Yamato receives quite a bit of damage.



Even more fun fact:

Takatatsu Ayana, the voice of Yamato, is a Cute-type idol who is really embarrassed of her humongous E-class assets and often dressed in ways to make them appear smaller.

:D:D:D

Marcus H.
2015-01-31, 23:35
^ What? I thought clothing that conceals cup sizes only exists in anime. :uhoh:

Ithekro
2015-01-31, 23:38
On paper...back in the very late 1930s and early 1940s, Yamato was thought ot be smaller that she actually was. Her guns were covered up as 15.7 inch (40 cm) and the Americans figured she'd have 16 inch guns and roughly like maybe the USS Iowa in size.

They were quite shocked to find that her guns were 46 cm and she was a lot wider than expected. Heavier and more advanced than the Americans expected from the Japanese in 1941.


The shipgirl, Yamato, will be however she is, but I still think it be funny the roles are reversed and it is Fubuki who is "sempai" to the elegant looking Yamato.

Takatatsu Ayana? I just realized who that is....Azusa (K-On)

Requiem-x
2015-01-31, 23:55
The shipgirl, Yamato, will be however she is, but I still think it be funny the roles are reversed and it is Fubuki who is "sempai" to the elegant looking Yamato.

Takatatsu Ayana? I just realized who that is....Azusa (K-On)

Also Ayumi in TWGOK :D

I want a role reversal too. I mean, pretty sure Mutsuki likes her a lot now, but someone fangasming over Fubuki would be hilarious.

Vaans
2015-01-31, 23:56
Looking at some official illustrations, it seem Fubuki and Yamato would be close.

AC-Phoenix
2015-02-01, 00:25
On paper...back in the very late 1930s and early 1940s, Yamato was thought ot be smaller that she actually was. Her guns were covered up as 15.7 inch (40 cm) and the Americans figured she'd have 16 inch guns and roughly like maybe the USS Iowa in size.

They were quite shocked to find that her guns were 46 cm and she was a lot wider than expected. Heavier and more advanced than the Americans expected from the Japanese in 1941.


The shipgirl, Yamato, will be however she is, but I still think it be funny the roles are reversed and it is Fubuki who is "sempai" to the elegant looking Yamato.


I doubt Fubuki will be the sempai, simply because 'my guns are bigger than yours'
Jokes aside though, Yamato will probably be a flagship of one of the fleet, maybe with Fubuki as an escort.

Also, it would be fun if she had a conversation with the admiral about putting a nuclear reactor inside her to reduce fuel costs to almost 0. (She'd certainly have the space)

Requiem-x
2015-02-01, 00:32
I doubt Fubuki will be the sempai, simply because 'my guns are bigger than yours'
Jokes aside though, Yamato will probably be a flagship of one of the fleet, maybe with Fubuki as an escort.

Akagi doesn't have guns like that and she's the cool sempai (different types of ships, I know, but so is Yamato). Also that gun comment makes it sound like Yamato will be a jerk.

Death Usagi
2015-02-01, 03:20
Just going to post again but, Akagi has the most death flag out of the entire characters in this series...

Not sure if scuttling will happen like history but considering her characteristics and how harsh the operations will be in the future as described by Nagato, I am expecting multiple characters to sink in later episodes... (EXCEPT THAT WILL BE MAJOR SUICIDE MOVE BY THE ANIME STAFF IN TERMS OF DVD/BLU-RAY SALES!!!)

Ithekro
2015-02-01, 03:31
Akagi going away would advance Fubuki's character I suppose. Take away the beloved trainer, provide motivation to press on against the Abyssal. Depending on what they want to do with Kaga, that could mean bitter treatment of Zuikaku as the replacement carrier for the lost Akagi. Or if more of the carriers are lost (as in historical Midway) than I suspect Yamato to be their replacement in the story.

Though I'd rather Yamato be a newbie trying to get along with Fubuki (who is at least getting somewhat skilled and is considered special). Mostly because I find it funny to have a battleship of Yamato's size looking up to a destroyer that is shorter than she is.

Death Usagi
2015-02-01, 03:34
I doubt Yamato will be a beginner really. I think she will most likely be a transferred ship from another Naval Base. Considering how she is like the strongest BB, even higher than Nagato, I highly doubt she will be some newbie.

Ithekro
2015-02-01, 03:38
Level 1 Yamato?

Death Usagi
2015-02-01, 03:42
Exactly. I doubt Yamato will be like a totally new newcomer. :s

chaosprophet
2015-02-01, 04:20
Considering the anime is supposed to be about Fubuki's grown, I do expect someone to sink around the middle of the series, this time someone who would affect Fubuki more, like Akagi, or at least someone who was in the same fleet as she was at the time but who she wasn't able to save.

But I don't expect too many ships to sink overall, and I expect that near the end Fubuki to show her grown to actually save a comrade from a dire situation that would probably sink her without Fubuki's intervention.

AC-Phoenix
2015-02-01, 20:24
One thing that always makes me wonder is that none of the girls seem to harbour any resent towards humanity, even the ones that got scuttled. (Akagi for example).

Same goes for Nagato who was sunk in a nuclear test.

The only ship that makes slight references to that is Mutsu, who repeatedly tells you to not play around with fire. And even that sounds more like she is being teased than actually angry.

The Abyssals on the other hand have absolutely no love for humanity at all and try to keep humans off the sea. Hearing them talk during battles they even make references of having been sunk in the past :uhoh:

So if the anim:e brings any revelation of how the abyssals came to be my money goes to

Abyssals = The ship's resent/hatred that got separated from the rest of the ship's soul.
(Note here goes to that folktale that objects can get a soul if being cared for over a certain amount of time)

Klashikari
2015-02-18, 17:15
So... considering how that flagship Wo got damaged, I guess it isn't far fetched to expect a Wo kai afterwards.

SaintessHeart
2015-02-18, 23:57
Nagato mentioned to Fubuki that the Abyssals know their code.

Reference to the JN-25? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_naval_codes#JN-25)

Ithekro
2015-02-19, 00:36
What would be clever would be a reverse Midway. Send out a fake message to see if the Abyssal are reading their mail and then use that to set a trap.

panzerfan
2015-02-19, 08:00
What would be clever would be a reverse Midway. Send out a fake message to see if the Abyssal are reading their mail and then use that to set a trap.

I am hoping that Shoukaku will lend her planes to Zuikaku, that the admiral here somehow managed to get a bucket for Shoukaku so that all 6 carriers could be fielded, that Tone's catapult malfunctioning won't be an issue this time since the carriers will actively scout on the orders of Fubuki (who is taking recon seriously) and that the ship girls stick with getting their planes into the air ASAP instead of fiddling around with what to launch.

More importantly, I am hoping that their commanding officer isn't Chuuichi Nagumo and he isn't sitting in Fubuki.

Top Sergeant
2015-02-19, 18:18
What would be clever would be a reverse Midway. Send out a fake message to see if the Abyssal are reading their mail and then use that to set a trap.

That would be pretty cool.

JokerD
2015-02-21, 20:48
Nagato mentioned to Fubuki that the Abyssals know their code.

Reference to the JN-25? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_naval_codes#JN-25)

Not sure if this is just a hunch of a single commander or a naval wide thing. Remember, the MC naval district was not even the main attack force for Operation MO which would be the Shouhou force. If it's just a single commander, it might not have a large impact on policy given the strict rank structure.

I want a later Fubuki class ship so that Fubuki can be the Sempai and raise all the death flags. (although she should already be the sempai to the DesDiv 6 girls)

Marina2
2015-02-22, 03:34
Will we see Exercises system in anime? A traning ep. before the final battle should be nice.

Ithekro
2015-02-22, 03:42
Techincally all the destroyers save the Mutsuki-class ships, are Fubuki's juniors.

All the ships that Fubuki is looking up to in the anime were all built before her. The Kongo sisters are the 1910s. The Nagato sisters are 1920. The Sendai sisters were built around 1925. Akagi and Kaga were finished not long before Fubuki was built 1928.

Shoukaku and Zuikaku are the ones built by 1941, but Fubuki doesn't seem to look up to Zuikaku.

The (outdated) list of the ship in history. Completion and sinking dates.

http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1553248?tags=tatsumi_rei

(The list is over a year old so several shipgirls have been added since then)

AC-Phoenix
2015-02-22, 13:17
Techincally all the destroyers save the Mutsuki-class ships, are Fubuki's juniors.

All the ships that Fubuki is looking up to in the anime were all built before her. The Kongo sisters are the 1910s. The Nagato sisters are 1920. The Sendai sisters were built around 1925. Akagi and Kaga were finished not long before Fubuki was built 1928.

Shoukaku and Zuikaku are the ones built by 1941, but Fubuki doesn't seem to look up to Zuikaku.

The (outdated) list of the ship in history. Completion and sinking dates.

http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1553248?tags=tatsumi_rei

(The list is over a year old so several shipgirls have been added since then)

I bet she will actually look up to Yamato a lot too.
It imho depends on how much Yamato will actually be included in the story and episodes. I just hope they won't just ocassionally use her like Mutsu and some other ships.

JokerD
2015-02-23, 10:17
I bet she will actually look up to Yamato a lot too.
It imho depends on how much Yamato will actually be included in the story and episodes. I just hope they won't just ocassionally use her like Mutsu and some other ships.

Historically the battleships were kept in reserve for a 'decisive battle' that never came. Anime-wise, I'm guessing that Yamato would come in as a special guest for an episode or so. Although she was with Nagato and Mutsu during the battle of Midway (and we all know how that turn out)

It would be interesting if Nagato gets canon envy due to Yamato being a shiny new and bigger battleship and get some OOC moments

AC-Phoenix
2015-02-23, 10:37
Historically the battleships were kept in reserve for a 'decisive battle' that never came. Anime-wise, I'm guessing that Yamato would come in as a special guest for an episode or so. Although she was with Nagato and Mutsu during the battle of Midway (and we all know how that turn out)

It would be interesting if Nagato gets canon envy due to Yamato being a shiny new and bigger battleship and get some OOC moments

The US deployed their South Dekota class' and Iowa class ships quite often though.
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As for how often she will appear:

I am still waiting to seee Mutsu equip her actual equipment, despite her having been on one of the promo posters. :P - Same goes for Murasame having any roll at all other than backgground character.

Kakurin
2015-02-23, 10:45
The US deployed their South Dekota class' and Iowa class ships quite often though.
The Americans weren't as fixed on the decisive battle as were the Japanese with their kantai kessen doctrine. Furthermore, the Americans had no problems with fuel, which was always an issue on the mind of the Japanese in pondering the decision to sortie their battleships.

Additionally, the new American BBs (North Carolina, South Dakota, Iowa) were used as carrier escorts since they had enough speed to run around with them. This can't be said of the Nagatos and while Yamato probably had a similar speed as South Dakota her fuel consumption ruled out this use. The Japanese used the Kongōs in that role and they steamed all over the Pacific as part of Kidō Butai.

Ithekro
2015-02-23, 15:36
The "decisive battle" was Japan's tactic for dealing with the expected American push across the Pacific as detailed in the American's Plan Orange (strategic plan to fight Japan based on if Japan invaded the Philippines). When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and crippled the old battleship fleet, Plan Orange went out the window along with some of the old school admirals.

The new American fast battleships didn't start arriving in the Pacific until after Midway. By that time, the main weapon was to be the aircraft carrier, so the battleship was detailed to escort them, or at least be nearby. USS Washington and USS South Dakota engaged Kirishima in the Solomons. They would have engaged Hiei as well, but she had been sunk the a day or two before after fighting US cruisers and destroyers.

The older US battleships (what few were functional before Midway) were used to defend the American West Coast in case the Japanese managed to get past Hawaii. After Midway they were regrouped as more and more were repaired and sent on shore bombardment missions as the Americans island hopped towards Japan, rather that the big push the Japanese expected from Plan Orange.

The older ships in action would the the remaining Nevada-class (USS Nevada), remaining Pennsylvania-class (USS Pennsylvania), the New Mexico-class (USS New Mexico, USS Mississippi, and USS Idaho), and Tennessee-class (USS Tennessee and USS California), and the Colorado-class (three of the Big Seven: USS Colorado, USS Maryland, and USS West Virginia) The other three active old battleships were usually in the Atlantic until late in the war. The one remaining combat active Wyoming-class (USS Arkansas), and the New York-class (USS New York and USS Texas). USS Wyoming was a training ship during the war.

James Rye
2015-02-23, 19:32
I wonder if we get another shipgirl getting sunk before the series finishes. We don't have that many episodes left. Or will they do the whole 75% SoL now and have the last 2-3 episodes be all gritty and full of actiony explosion and sunk shipgirls and tons of "NO! Not the 6th Div!!!" feels after making all the girls more likeable due the SoL episodes?

Marina2
2015-02-23, 20:01
I wonder if we get another shipgirl getting sunk before the series finishes. We don't have that many episodes left. Or will they do the whole 75% SoL now and have the last 2-3 episodes be all gritty and full of actiony explosion and sunk shipgirls and tons of "NO! Not the 6th Div!!!" feels after making all the girls more likeable due the SoL episodes?

If anime will really go in that direction:

For plot reason, historical reason and timeline reason, Akagi and Kaga have higher chance to be sunk than all Akatsukis at this point.

Wake Island >> Coral sea >> you know what's comming next.

Fubuki will probably get a chance to escort Akagi soon and that Wo-class will probably return... Let see how anime will do it.

Actually, I think all Akatsukis have very strong plot shield. (Just go to offical website and look at those offical arts that about to get released in the future) The worst thing that can happen to their member is Hibiki getting hit by a cannon or a torpedo and need to repair which anime will get a chance to introduce remodel system and turn her into Verniy.

......................

Will we see Exercises system in anime? A mock battle ep. before the final battle should be nice.

James Rye
2015-02-23, 20:07
^No! Anybody but Kaga!!! D8

Ithekro
2015-02-23, 20:23
If that happens, it will be the loss of Akagi, Kaga, and the so far unvoiced Hiryuu and Soryu (both are the same voice actress as Fubuki). Also the barely seen Mikuma.

But, with shipgirls fighting at visual range for the most part, Fubuki, Kongo, and Yamato can easily get close enough to deal with however many Wo-class are out there. Plus they would be almost forced to put out Midway Hime, which seems to recent an addition.

JokerD
2015-02-25, 10:38
The US deployed their South Dekota class' and Iowa class ships quite often though.
-----
As for how often she will appear:

I am still waiting to seee Mutsu equip her actual equipment, despite her having been on one of the promo posters. :P - Same goes for Murasame having any roll at all other than backgground character.

As others mentioned, the US faster battleships were used as carrier escorts instead. Of the Japanese battleships, really only the Kongou class was fast enough for that.

1 thing that's not been mentioned yet is the american sub fleet, which wreaked all kinds of havoc on the the Japanese navy during WWII.
Wiki list 38 destroyers, 14 cruisers, the Kongou and quite a few carriers including the Shinano, a Yamato hull converted to a carrier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ships_sunk_by_American_submarines

Kakurin
2015-02-25, 11:06
1 thing that's not been mentioned yet is the american sub fleet, which wreaked all kinds of havoc on the the Japanese navy during WWII.
Wiki list 38 destroyers, 14 cruisers, the Kongou and quite a few carriers including the Shinano, a Yamato hull converted to a carrier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ships_sunk_by_American_submarines
Japanese ASW was quite poor. And they didn't help themselves with their damage control procedures. Taihō for example sank over six hours after getting torpedoed because the crew was incapable of dealing with the leaking aviation fuel. In the meantime the carrier was still in good condition to launch aircraft before getting jolted by explosions.

Jimmy C
2015-02-25, 11:08
Not to mention all the freighters and transports that were the important targets and what truly drove Japan into resource starvation.

Marina2
2015-03-01, 14:07
You know, it would be good if ship girls moment and tactic don't get restricted by the fact that they are based on real warship.

Other than using their cannon and torpedo, I want to see them punch and kick an enemy, smash an enemy with their anchor or just throw it to an enemy face (I want to see you do that, Ikazuchi), strangle an enemy, etc.

It must be fun to see Wo-class or Ru-class get killed by those methods.

cloud04
2015-03-01, 14:42
You know, it would be good if ship girls moment and tactic don't get restricted by the fact that they are based on real warship.

Other than using their cannon and torpedo, I want to see them punch and kick an enemy, smash an enemy with their anchor or just throw it to an enemy face (I want to see you do that, Ikazuchi), strangle an enemy, etc.

It must be fun to see Wo-class or Ru-class get killed by those methods.

that would probably be in some djs lol

Ithekro
2015-03-01, 16:55
Yamato using a rocket anchor.

James Rye
2015-03-01, 18:56
You know, it would be good if ship girls moment and tactic don't get restricted by the fact that they are based on real warship.

Other than using their cannon and torpedo, I want to see them punch and kick an enemy, smash an enemy with their anchor or just throw it to an enemy face (I want to see you do that, Ikazuchi), strangle an enemy, etc.

It must be fun to see Wo-class or Ru-class get killed by those methods.

Well, we nearly had such a moment with an elite destroyer trying to eat Fubuki/ramming her under the water before it got shot.

SaintessHeart
2015-03-01, 22:28
Fun fact:

Yamato's shell caliber is actually BIGGER than on paper, which I think is pretty surprising given the accuracy of those babies in spite of the rule of thumb, bigger shell = more dispersion. Explains the penetration though.

This is modelled in the game where she appears flatter than she actually is; this is revealed when Yamato receives quite a bit of damage.



Even more fun fact:

Takatatsu Ayana, the voice of Yamato, is a Cute-type idol who is really embarrassed of her humongous E-class assets and often dressed in ways to make them appear smaller.

:D:D:D

But she always voice lolis. Yamato is her first role as a proper lady.

Ithekro
2015-03-02, 01:56
Azunya as Yamato.

Marcus H.
2015-03-04, 07:31
Anyone wanna bet on how many pois are gonna poi next episode?

JokerD
2015-03-08, 01:07
Well Midway is pretty much confirmed now that the Doolittle raid happened. That raid was the main reason Yamamoto wanted to take Midway, to prevent further attacks.
Is this a 12/13 episode anime? If so, we might just get a downer ending with Akagi and Kaga being sunk at the end...

Kakurin
2015-03-08, 03:47
Well Midway is pretty much confirmed now that the Doolittle raid happened. That raid was the main reason Yamamoto wanted to take Midway, to prevent further attacks.
Is this a 12/13 episode anime? If so, we might just get a downer ending with Akagi and Kaga being sunk at the end...
It's 12 episodes.

And no, Yamamoto didn't want to take Midway because of the Doolittle raid. The Doolittle raid had nothing to do with Yamamoto's decision. The only thing it did was lessen the opposition from the Naval GHQ and the IJA against Yamamoto's intention of going to Midway, which was considerable in Spring 1942. Yamamoto chose Midway as a spot where he thought he could lure in the American carriers to beat them in a battle. Midway was to be a means to the end - the elimination of the carriers - and not an end in itself.

JokerD
2015-03-09, 07:19
It's 12 episodes.

And no, Yamamoto didn't want to take Midway because of the Doolittle raid. The Doolittle raid had nothing to do with Yamamoto's decision. The only thing it did was lessen the opposition from the Naval GHQ and the IJA against Yamamoto's intention of going to Midway, which was considerable in Spring 1942. Yamamoto chose Midway as a spot where he thought he could lure in the American carriers to beat them in a battle. Midway was to be a means to the end - the elimination of the carriers - and not an end in itself.

Is that so? I always thought that the decision to take Midway was because they wanted to expand the security parameter due to that raid. So that they can detect similar operations.

Kakurin
2015-03-09, 08:34
Is that so? I always thought that the decision to take Midway was because they wanted to expand the security parameter due to that raid. So that they can detect similar operations.
Yes. I have heard of this popular misconception before, but it is far from the truth. The failure of the Japanese to catch any American CVs at Pearl Harbor was always on the mind of Yamamoto. With them based out of Pearl Harbor he kept an eye on the Central Pacific the entire time. Yamamoto wanted to choose a location close to Hawaii that would force the Americans to sortie their carriers to contest the Japanese. He had his subordinates examine the notion of an invasion of Hawaii in December / January 1941-42 and by March he had settled on Midway. The idea was presented to the naval GHQ at a staff meeting from 2nd-5th April 1942, where it was heavily opposed. After some lengthy tug-of-war the plan for AL/MI was presented to the emperor by Admiral Nagano on 16th April 1942. That's two days before the Doolittle Raid. What the Doolittle Raid did was remove army opposition against MI and by 20th April the army approved the Midway plan and supplied combat troops for the operation.

Marina2
2015-03-09, 13:48
Wanna guess which ship is the starter ship in anime?

I think it is Inazuma for 2 reasons

1) no other starter ship before Fubuki came. ( not sure if I overlook someone)
2) Considering that she is in 1div - the main fleet (according to Ep.1), she probably have high level. Which mean she has been in that base for a long time.

Ithekro
2015-03-11, 16:05
The art of Fubuki's kai ni has red trim on her uniform as the destroyer had red during her service around the Solomons. However she did not have that paint job at Midway, several months earlier.

Historical note on operation MI in concerns of Fubuki and Akagi. Fubuki was assigned to escort the Main Body, that is the battleships Yamato, Nagato and Mutsu. Where Admiral Yamamoto was commanding the operation.

First Carrier Striking Group, where Akagi, Kaga, Hiryu and Soryu were, was escorted by 12 destroyers: Nowaki, Arashi, Hagikaze, Maikaze, Kazagumo, Yuugumo, Makigumo, Urakaze, Isokaze, Tanikaze, Hamakaze, and Akigumo. In addition the four carriers were escorted by battlecruiser Haruna, Kirishima, the heavy cruiser Tone, Chikuma, and the destroyers were lead by the light cruiser Nagara. (Akigumo was escorting five oilers that were with the fleet)

Having a remodeled Fubuki, with some actual AA and functional Dual Purpose guns escorting Akagi might change things. Japanese AA guns are generally considered dreadful in 1942 with them being able to handle low flying torpedo planes in small numbers, but not able to handle large numbers of high flying dive bombers. That and the best AA the fleet had at that time was really the Zero fighters on the carriers rather than the guns on any of the destroyers. The 10 cm guns on the remodeled Fubuki were a good DP gun. Not as renown as the American's 5 inch/38 cal guns, but better than the Japanese 12.7 cm guns.

blitz1/2
2015-03-11, 16:09
So, how are we going to have air cut in in this? Have Fubuki's anti detector glow for a bit and then watch her go FREEDOM! and bullet spam on enemy planes? xD

panzerfan
2015-03-11, 16:13
The 10cm guns were meant only for AAA though. They didn't have AP shells as I recall.

Kakurin
2015-03-11, 16:21
Yeah, giving Fubuki the high-angled 10cm gun should change things for the better for the kanmusus. Historically the destroyers at Midway were more or less useless in anti-air role since they only had 25mm guns to rely on with their 12.7cm optimised for surface combat and hence neither fast enough, nor with the needed elevation to shoot down aircraft. The carriers mostly had to rely on their own anti-air guns and hence the Japanese anti-air guns only shot down two of 146 lost US aircraft at Midway. So expect Fubuki to be raining down barrages of fire against the Abyssal planes to save the day the next two episodes. :D

chaosprophet
2015-03-11, 16:25
So, how are we going to have air cut in in this? Have Fubuki's anti detector glow for a bit and then watch her go FREEDOM! and bullet spam on enemy planes? xD

I'm expecting the air director to do it's job helping her hit them. She can probably feel it like how the girls feel their radars. And the hot many in a row and quickly, more so than any other ship.

Ithekro
2015-03-11, 16:26
That might have been due to the practial nature of the times more than purpose. The Allies didn't get to inspect the things until after the war. Whatever other shell type might have been made could have been expended or producton halted.

Or it may have been intended only as for AAA, but repurposed as a DP gun for the new destroyers, as they might be forced to fight on the surface, with the cruiser had larger guns for that and a carrier has escorts for that.

Otherwise Fubuki won't be shooting anymore Abyssal ships in the face.

JokerD
2015-03-15, 08:51
Digging up an old episode, I can't help but think that the 2 battleships that Fubuki, Shimakaza and the Kongou sisters faced in episode 4 was the British ships HMS Prince of Wales and Repulse (Force Z) The location fits, southern, resource area, Malaya with tin and rubber, Brunei with oil and 2 cap ships. However those 2 ships were sank by airpower, not in a ship to ship battle...

Kakurin
2015-03-15, 08:59
Abyssal ships most likely do not represent Allied ships. Besides, "Southern Resource Area" is a term that refers to the entirety of Southeast Asia. The most important part of which were the Dutch East Indies (modern day Indonesia) with its plentiful oil fields.

AC-Phoenix
2015-03-20, 11:45
I'd suggest you to rephrase your line a bit. You make it sound like it's an undisputable fact that Abyssals are US Navy.

Yeah I know :/
Rephrased it a bit.

I really hope that the Abyssals are are not the US navy so that my dream to see Enterprise-san can be a reality someday....

Well we'll get a new foreign battleship for the event, so lets wait and see which country it is from. If it is an allied ship others might follow.

AC-Phoenix
2015-03-21, 02:13
Let's face it. If there is a new ship, it is going to be German. Probably Tirpitz, but they might play around with Scharnhorst or Graf Spee (gives more room to be creative with the stats).

I think the game would lose its popularity and close shop before the first American ship is inserted.


Actually there is a good chance its going to be NOT a German ship - see the discussion in the game thread a while ago.
They already announced that they intend to add other foreign ships than German ones too, a while ago.

arkhangelsk
2015-03-21, 03:19
Actually there is a good chance its going to be NOT a German ship - see the discussion in the game thread a while ago.
They already announced that they intend to add other foreign ships than German ones too, a while ago.

Oh, OK I see the posts (not all, 245 pages of posts is too much) ... but my bet for the next ship is still German. Japan has a certain affinity for Nazi German stuff for one reason or another (StuG IIIs are 3-go Totsugeki Hou, almost as if StuG is Japanese, while the similar Italian Semovente is in katakana, like it is ultimately not family).

I just don't see them putting in Italian, French or British until they at least got a few more Germans out of the way. Maybe the "Fall 2015" event they'd do a last minute push, but...

As for the Americans, I still say the game will die first.
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As an alternative, an amusing one would be if they deliberately dodged the major powers and went to smaller powers like oh, the Dutch. That will allow them to look magnimous and avoid the immediate problems of balancing.

AC-Phoenix
2015-03-21, 03:40
Oh, OK I see the posts (not all, 245 pages of posts is too much) ... but my bet for the next ship is still German. Japan has a certain affinity for Nazi German stuff for one reason or another (StuG IIIs are 3-go Totsugeki Hou, almost as if StuG is Japanese, while the similar Italian Semovente is in katakana, like it is ultimately not family).

I just don't see them putting in Italian, French or British until they at least got a few more Germans out of the way. Maybe the "Fall 2015" event they'd do a last minute push, but...

As for the Americans, I still say the game will die first.
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As an alternative, an amusing one would be if they deliberately dodged the major powers and went to smaller powers like oh, the Dutch. That will allow them to look magnimous and avoid the immediate problems of balancing.

Italians were, up until a certain point, part of the Axis powers, so one of their ships getting added isn't that far stretched.
Prince of Wales might be a possibility too as the dates where she was launched and completed are relatively close.

And as I stated in the game thread already: We know that the abyssals are a global problem so having a foreign country's entire Navy in Japan would be strange.

You can argue it out for Germany since they are in the EU, though if you want to be creative.

I personally hope they'll add an allied ship, that would finally shut all those 'axis game'- comments up.

scififan
2015-05-02, 02:59
Italians were, up until a certain point, part of the Axis powers, so one of their ships getting added isn't that far stretched.
Prince of Wales might be a possibility too as the dates where she was launched and completed are relatively close.

And as I stated in the game thread already: We know that the abyssals are a global problem so having a foreign country's entire Navy in Japan would be strange.

You can argue it out for Germany since they are in the EU, though if you want to be creative.

I personally hope they'll add an allied ship, that would finally shut all those 'axis game'- comments up.

You make it sounds more like Axis games afterall. You are aware IJN risked their Kongou class cruisers to trash Henderson Airfield. IJN even armed their sailors. In case Kongou was sunk, their sailors will land and join JPN army. Kongou took down one airfield, but they didn't realize there was another airfield. During another battles, IJN learned their opponents can quickly patch the airfield by using bulldozers. Besides, Italian navy stayed in their ports most of time. During their night battle with British navy, Italian cruisers were wipeout. Due to British navy's radar, Italian navy was totally defenseless. So, Italian were more into special force operation on the sea.

Even with the primitive radar system, IJN still defeated Britain's Far East Fleet. So, they didn't see Britain as the major threat. British navy didn't see IJN as major threat either. British navy's prime force are in North Sea. Price of Wales was a symbolic parade of their presence. To sink Bismarck, Britain sent out all its top ships. One of them is their Flag Ship, George. The risk of losing George would shake the pride of British navy(as sunk of Yamato to IJN). Maybe not for Yamato druing her final mission, IJN only ordered for one way fuel. IJN figured out nothing could get worse.

Why they made Kan Colle? I think typical Japanese historical fans have better impression on Japanese navy and army. The food in Japanese navy was better than their army counterpart. On Yamato, they have ice cream making machine, soda making machine, air conditioner and chef from the best restaurants.

You are welcome to correct me if you have the different naval historical facts.

Ithekro
2015-05-02, 04:01
At this point they have added two Italian battleships (Littorio (later Italia) and Roma). Italia engaged the British a number of times in the Mediterranian Sea. Roma didn't see much action other than being a target for Allied and eventually German bombers. She was sunk by a German radio controled bomb (Fritz X) while defecting to the Allies.

There other completed sister ship Vittorio Veneto was the one that saw a lot of combat.

The fourth of the class, Impero, was not completed. Captured by the Germans after Italy surrendered, it was used as a target ship by both sides and scrapped following the war.

Vittorio Veneto and Italia survived the war. Becoming war prizes, one each went to the Americans and British who had them scrapped in Italy following the war.

AC-Phoenix
2015-05-02, 04:17
You make it sounds more like Axis games afterall. You are aware IJN risked their Kongou class cruisers to trash Henderson Airfield. IJN even armed their sailors. In case Kongou was sunk, their sailors will land and join JPN army. Kongou took down one airfield, but they didn't realize there was another airfield. During another battles, IJN learned their opponents can quickly patch the airfield by using bulldozers. Besides, Italian navy stayed in their ports most of time. During their night battle with British navy, Italian cruisers were wipeout. Due to British navy's radar, Italian navy was totally defenseless. So, Italian were more into special force operation on the sea.

Even with the primitive radar system, IJN still defeated Britain's Far East Fleet. So, they didn't see Britain as the major threat. British navy didn't see IJN as major threat either. British navy's prime force are in North Sea. Price of Wales was a symbolic parade of their presence. To sink Bismarck, Britain sent out all its top ships. One of them is their Flag Ship, George. The risk of losing George would shake the pride of British navy(as sunk of Yamato to IJN). Maybe not for Yamato druing her final mission, IJN only ordered for one way fuel. IJN figured out nothing could get worse.

Why they made Kan Colle? I think typical Japanese historical fans have better impression on Japanese navy and army. The food in Japanese navy was better than their army counterpart. On Yamato, they have ice cream making machine, soda making machine, air conditioner and chef from the best restaurants.

You are welcome to correct me if you have the different naval historical facts.

I have no idea what you want to tell me with anything past the first sentence.
My point was that it isn't too alien to add italian ships to the game, and that by doing that they'd play it rather safe considering how the Italians wee both amongst the Allies as well as the Axis powers.
The other point was that another ship that could have been added was prince of wales since there the event was close to her launch date.

Whether she was actually there doesn't really matter in that regard because Bismarck was nowhere near the pacific either.

scififan
2015-05-03, 00:38
I have no idea what you want to tell me with anything past the first sentence.
My point was that it isn't too alien to add italian ships to the game, and that by doing that they'd play it rather safe considering how the Italians wee both amongst the Allies as well as the Axis powers.
The other point was that another ship that could have been added was prince of wales since there the event was close to her launch date.

Whether she was actually there doesn't really matter in that regard because Bismarck was nowhere near the pacific either.

I have no idea why you are so obssessed to add inlcude non-Japanese ships for a Japanese centric game. Adding those ships is fine for Japanese gamers, if they are interested. Your interest is not equivalent to their interest. It's why the game make the forign ships as the demon hime. The game has demon ship modeled after USS Washington and demon seaport hime modeled after Australia's Darwain city. If the game is going to bring Prince of Wales, the greater chance is she's going to be an enemy boss.
Bismarck analogy was nonsense, because German navy was not foe of IJN.

Kakurin
2015-05-03, 02:52
*sigh*

The Abyssals are not representing the Allies. The Abyssals have CLTs, which is something only the Japanese had. The Abyssals have BBVs, which again is only something the Japanese had. Some Abyssal boss opponents are clearly kanmusu based (CL Seiki as cross between Agano and Naka, DD Seiki as Harusame, just to name two). I don't even know who you are talking about when saying somebody is modeled after USS Washington. Because neither the BB Hime, nor the BB Suiki are.

AC-Phoenix
2015-05-03, 05:55
I have no idea why you are so obssessed to add inlcude non-Japanese ships for a Japanese centric game. Adding those ships is fine for Japanese gamers, if they are interested. Your interest is not equivalent to their interest. It's why the game make the forign ships as the demon hime. The game has demon ship modeled after USS Washington and demon seaport hime modeled after Australia's Darwain city. If the game is going to bring Prince of Wales, the greater chance is she's going to be an enemy boss.
Bismarck analogy was nonsense, because German navy was not foe of IJN.

Lets start with the fact that if you make it cute it will sell in Japan, thus you cannot say that there is no interest at all.

And e facto Allied ships would have far more reasons to be in the pacific than Bismarck has.

For the other things, see Kakurin's post. - the Abyssals ARE NOT the allied ships.
I don't know how many times people said that by now...

chaosprophet
2015-05-03, 06:18
One thing I would agree with scififan. This is a game to the Japanese so If there is any ship girls added from the allies, and from any foreign country too, then it would be likely the ones that are well known / liked by the Japanese, which are not necessary the same that are well known / liked by the people from that country.

Sheba
2015-05-03, 06:27
Seriously, ask yourself IF Japanese would welcome shipgirls who were personification of ships like the Missouri or those who sunk their navy?

AC-Phoenix
2015-05-03, 07:22
Seriously, ask yourself IF Japanese would welcome shipgirls who were personification of ships like the Missouri or those who sunk their navy?

The one in question right now was PoW.
Missouri for one is the exact ship I expect that hell would freeze sooner than her being added, but I said that somewhere already.

Strictly said, Italia and Roma are technically Allied ships too btw, hence why I said they played it safe.

As for the sinking part:
And yet that would actually bring in a gorgeous dynamic, especially for the anime.

My point is people grow out of the past after a while.
Take all the ship models being sold in both Japan, the US and Europe.

You easily get models of Japanese ships in the US too for example, and they snak a good portion of their ships too.

Ithekro
2015-05-03, 15:26
However, on a gaming level, should they continue on for more than another year, they will need to add Allied shipgirls in order to maintain a quota of large rewards for events.

Why is this? Because at this point, unless they start going into never where ship or ships that were built before Kongo, the IJN has exactly one capital ship left to bring out as an event reward. The armored carrier Shinano.

Even if they stay with just Axis vessels, there is a very limited pool of capital ships left that aren't functionally weaker than Fuso and Kongo. The German Navy has one more 15 inch gun battleship (Tirpitz) and then two 11 inch gun battlecruisers (Scharnhorst-class) along with the three 11 inch gun armed armored cruisers (pocket battleships) and a pair of very old 11 inch gun armed pre-dreadnoughts. Most of the 11 inch armed ships will be undergunned verse any existing battleship ship girl, thought the battlecrusiers will have reasonable range and were designed to have their main batteries swapped out for 15 inch guns. It was started for the last one, but never finished as Hitler was done with the Navy by the end of 1943. There is also the unfinished carrier Graf Zepplin.

The Italian Navy had one remaining completed 15 inch gun battleship and one incompleted battleship of that same class. In addition they have four dreadnought of Kongo's age that had been heavily upgraded to 10 x 320mm cannons and 27 knots. They would still be undergunned compared to Fuso. They Italians had one or two incomplete aircraft carriers under construction during the war.

If the game designers don't want to add ships that are functional worse than the Fuso-class and not as useful as the Kongo-class, that the Axis have basically two battleships left to add and one carrier. The two German battlecruisers might be viable as their 11 inch guns had extreme range and accuracy as Scharnhorst share the record for longest range ship to ship gunnery hit with HMS Warspite at around 24,000 meters. The pocket battleships are functionally no better than a Japanese heavy cruiser, just their 11 inch guns will be able to penetrate thicker armor.

The Allies have a huge reserve of capital ships to exploit by the game designers. Even before they started building their new fast battleships, the UK and US had 15 battleships each. Of which only USS Wyoming is reasonably inferior to Fuso, with the New York and Nevada classes being around the same. The fast battleships add potentally 6 more British ships (if Vangard is kept) and 10 more American ships. Add to this the aircraft carriers. The British had seven carriers at the start of the war (three Couragous-class, Argus (tiny), Hermes (tiny), Eagle (tiny), and Ark Royal (very lightly armored deck)). Then built four Illustrious-class armored carriers, two Implacable-class armored carriers, light carrier Unicorn, and seven of ten Colossus-class light carriers finished during the war.

For the Americans, there are seven carriers in service at war's start. Then an additional 14 of 24 Essex-class carriers that saw action in the war, and 9 Independance-class light carriers. This makes for a lot of potental growth in the game in terms of event rewards.

Remaining Axis capital ships: 3 (16 maximum)
Potential Allied capital ships: 96 (roughly)

scififan
2015-05-04, 00:46
*sigh*

The Abyssals are not representing the Allies. The Abyssals have CLTs, which is something only the Japanese had. The Abyssals have BBVs, which again is only something the Japanese had. Some Abyssal boss opponents are clearly kanmusu based (CL Seiki as cross between Agano and Naka, DD Seiki as Harusame, just to name two). I don't even know who you are talking about when saying somebody is modeled after USS Washington. Because neither the BB Hime, nor the BB Suiki are.

I was going to respond to you, but I realized that you already made up your mind. So, I am not going to convince you. It's wasting our time.

How Japanse Kan Colle players view Battle of Surigao Strait.
http://www.4freeimagehost.com/uploads/80c70fb59751.jpg

How Jpn Kan Colle players view Battle of Midway.
http://www.4freeimagehost.com/uploads/2ab02a33c41a.jpg

Kakurin
2015-05-04, 01:20
You do know that this is from a collection of representation of historical battles via Kancolle, not what the girls actually represent in Kancolle? Seriously, you look like you never dug into the game, never looked at the lines, never looked at the designs. You just claim come here without any real Kancolle knowledge and claim random stuff.

By the way, in the first Surigao battle screen, half of the girls are Chi-class torpedo cruisers (http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Torpedo_Cruiser_Chi-Class). The only nation that had torpedo cruisers in the fleet during World War 2 were the Japanese.

I have laid out facts that are verifiable, you just claim things with the only thing "backing" them up being a series of screens by a couple of artists taking the liberty of using Kancolle to represent historical battles. Nowhere was it ever stated that the artist actually thinks that those girls are representing USN. And to generalise those two screens into what "Japanese KanColle players" are thinking is folly.

Ithekro
2015-05-04, 01:23
There are still many things wrong with interpreting the Abyssal as the American or Allies in general. Most of the newer more human shaped Abyssal are clearly corrupted versions of existsing Japanese based shipgirls. Also the mentioned fact that no other country has Aviation Battleships or Torpedo Cruisers during World War II except Japan. The only thing that points to the Abyssal being American are their armaments and later aircraft names (guns using Imperial or US customary units and Hellcats).

The thing is a allusion to World War II. The places are similar and the situations are similar, but it is not the same. The theory is starting to go around that the Abyssal are the demons of the shipgirls themselves rather than an allusion of the Americans.

The designers appear to be interested in adding Allied shipgirls in the future and it would be reasonable to do so in order to continue the game, as they still have several events styled on World War II operations and battles they can do. That and if they plan to keep providing carrier, battleship, and cruiser rewards, they are going to have to start using Allied shipgirls as the Axis based ship girls are too few to continue as rewards. As mentions there are only a few viable Axis capital ships left and the number of cruisers is just as small. The Italians had 7 heavy cruisers and 16 light cruisers while Germany had in addition to the already introduced Prinz Eugen 2 more heavy cruisers (plus two incomplete of the class), 3 armored cruisers, and 6 light cruisers. As well at two very old pre-dreadnought battleship used as coastal defense ships, both commissioned in 1908. Otherwise all the player will be getting is destroyer shipgirls and submarines.

msg
2015-05-04, 10:29
Seriously, ask yourself IF Japanese would welcome shipgirls who were personification of ships like the Missouri or those who sunk their navy?
What? I can assure you not all the japanese in general and playing the game are thinking like that.A lot of them even anticipate and welcome the "allied" ships (if introduced)... stop generalizing.It's just a game

...there is one (unique)class of ship that i would like to see in kancolle that the ijn doesn't have it serving in the ww2.I would also consider it a "capital" ship.This country/ies also happens to be allied to the axis...or some of you called it co- belligerent

Finland coastal defence ship - Väinämöinen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_coastal_defence_ship_V%C3%A4in%C3%A4m%C3%B 6inen)-class ship.
and the japanese made thailand coastal defence ship the Thonburi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thonburi-class_coastal_defence_ship) class ship

...of course there are others like the Sverige class from Sweden but i just list the "Axis" ships only.Well there's another "axis"ship ( or boat) from bulgaria which they consider the "capital" ship but ...

Ithekro
2015-05-04, 14:00
Those ships would be interesting, but both are painfully slow and armed to take on cruisers (at best).

basinz123
2015-05-06, 20:10
I was going to respond to you, but I realized that you already made up your mind. So, I am not going to convince you. It's wasting our time.

How Japanse Kan Colle players view Battle of Surigao Strait.
http://www.4freeimagehost.com/uploads/80c70fb59751.jpg

How Jpn Kan Colle players view Battle of Midway.
http://www.4freeimagehost.com/uploads/2ab02a33c41a.jpg

did you know that the US Navy have 3 Carriers and the IJN have 4 Carriers at the Battle of Midway. The other ships like Hoshou, Nagato, etc. just came after Hiryuu burns if Im not wrong XD:confused:

Sheba
2015-05-06, 20:19
Just a reminder that there is a difference between this fan representation of Midway and the actual Midway event in the game. As for the Abyssals = Allies topic, it's as if one can tell who play the game and who dont from how they take that theory.

basinz123
2015-05-06, 21:42
sorry I thought it like based on the actual battles and I don't believe that the US Navy are the Abyssals because I have Enterprise on my side XD.

Saint X
2015-05-07, 09:30
LF Actual Allied ship ingame.

just one is enough to kill the Abyssal Allies theory for me.

just one...

AC-Phoenix
2015-05-07, 10:21
Like Littario and Roma who were actually on their way to defect when they were sunk?

Sheba
2015-05-07, 10:23
Roma did sink. Littorio managed to limp her way to Malta.

AC-Phoenix
2015-05-08, 08:25
Roma did sink. Littorio managed to limp her way to Malta.

Thats even better then.


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Also Littorio/Italia doesn't seem to be too happy about meeting german ships either

"10:00 AM. Ah! Those German shipgirls are also here? Really..."

Ithekro
2015-05-11, 04:26
A technical question. Assuming none of the Pearl Harbor carriers were sunk, and that all the ships converted in the 40s were still converted, by Leyte Gulf, just after Katsuragi is commissioned, what would the Carrier Divisions look like?

Or in game terms, assume you have all the carrier shipgirls plus Shinano. What divisions are they in?

Akagi
Kaga
Soryu
Hiryu
Shoukaku
Zuikaku
Taiho
Shinano (potentally, the Navy were already deciding what to do with her in December of 1941, as they questioned the effectiveness of battleship after bombers took out Repluse and Prince of Wales, plus all those in Pearl Harbor)
Unryuu
Amagi
Katsuragi - viable by October 1944
(potental if things need to be even with the fleet carriers)
Kasagi - (fourth carrier of the Unryuu class stopped constuction in April 1945 at 84% complete. Scheduled for June 1945).

Houshou
Ryuujou
Zuiho
Shouhou
Hiyo
Junyou
Ryuuhou
(popentially - both were designed for easy conversion to carrier as part of a shadow program to get around the treaties tonnage restrictions.)
Chitose
Chiyoda

Sheba
2015-05-11, 05:07
Also Littorio/Italia doesn't seem to be too happy about meeting german ships either

"10:00 AM. Ah! Those German shipgirls are also here? Really..."
Yamagumo is not quite comfortable around the Fusou sisters either.

AC-Phoenix
2015-05-11, 05:38
Yamagumo is not quite comfortable around the Fusou sisters either.

Thats because they bring bad luck though.
Roma was sunk by the German air foces while Littorio was heavily damaged.

My point was more:
They are aware that they technically don't count as axis ships.

Sheba
2015-05-11, 05:42
Psst, Yamagumo was in that place with them.

kongoudesu
2015-07-17, 01:40
So does anybody here have any theories of how durability/armor works in the anime cuz its not explained, like, at all. On one hand you have Inazuma cutting herself with a kitchen knife of all things and in the other Kongo is bouncing 16 in. shells off her hand. Some people have speculated that the clothes act like armor, but given how explosive shells work (shrapnel to everywhere that's uncovered), and the fact that Kongo wasn't wearing gloves when she deflected the shell, I think that it's implausible. So is their skin actually equivalent in protection to hundreds of mm of steel armor? Like what would happen if say someone were to shoot Yamato with 30 rounds from an assault rifle all over her body (not just the parts covered by clothes). Would the rounds bounce off or would she be just as vulnerable as a normal human? What if someone tried it when she didn't have her rigging on?

Feel free to speculate as much as you want.

Kakurin
2015-07-17, 02:25
They have shields. Note the green flashing shield when Kongō deflects the shell. Also noticeable in other battle scenes.

Marcus H.
2015-07-17, 03:22
Let's just say that damage caused outside battle is comparable to the minor injuries a human usually receives, but the durability stats of their armor becomes more important during battle scenarios. That means Ooyodo won't get hurt from Kongou's flying glomp as compared to being fired at by Abyssals.